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The world premiere of the promising BTR-MDM will be held at the Russia Arms Expo-2013 in Nizhny Tagil

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The world premiere of the promising BTR-MDM will be held at the Russia Arms Expo-2013 in Nizhny Tagil



Concern "Tractor Plants" will demonstrate a wide range of its military products at the 9-th International exhibition of arms, military equipment and ammunition "Rush Arms Expo-2013" (Russia Arms Expo-2013, RAE-2013), which will be held on September 25-28 Nizhny Tagil.
The concern’s exposition will present both world-famous infantry fighting vehicles and promising samples of special equipment, the Tractor Plants press service told ARMS-TASS.

In particular, the exhibition will host the premiere of the promising armored personnel carrier BTR-MDM, on the basis of which a family of vehicles for the airborne forces will be created in the near future.

Another premiere of this year is the 125mm SPTR 2S25 Sprut-SD self-propelled anti-tank gun. The decision to create a new gun mount was made by Deputy Minister of Defense Yuri Borisov in February 2013 at a meeting on the development of the Airborne Forces. Self-propelled guns with 125 mm tank cannon can be dropped from an airplane without a platform. Instead of a 100-mm cannon, a 4-mm tank artillery system 125A2M-46 will be installed on the BMD-5 chassis, which, in particular, is equipped with T-90 tanks. The new machine has a length of just over 7 m and a mass of about 18 tons (a conventional tank weighs more than 40 tons), which makes it possible to transport it by IL-76 aircraft and Mi-26 helicopters.

Thanks to the BMD-4 chassis, the new gun mount will be able to overcome the rise to 35 hail. and move on the water. The 2А46М-5 can fire new armor-piercing shells, including Lead shells, capable of penetrating the armor of American Abrams and Israeli Merkava tanks, as well as anti-tank missiles.

The exposition of the Tractor Plants will also include a presentation of innovative protection systems for tanks, light armored vehicles and personnel.

In the form of booklets, video and photographic materials, the concern’s enterprises will present the BMP-3М, BMP-2М, BREM-L, tracked chassis for the C-300В anti-aircraft missile systems, as well as a promising line of armored vehicles for the Airborne Forces, including the BMD-4M.

Full-scale samples of the latest developments for the Ground Forces and the Airborne Forces - BMP-3М, BTR-MDM, BMD-4M and SPTP 2С25 "Sprut-SD" - you can look at the static exposure. They will also take part in demonstration presentations on the range track, during which it is planned to demonstrate in real conditions the use of a completely new tactical-level combat control system developed specifically for the rapid reaction forces.

At present, a comprehensive plan for the modernization of special-purpose products is being implemented at the enterprises of Tractor Plants. Work on the development of innovative devices and systems are carried out in close relationship with the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. A lot of innovative directions are being worked out, connected with the use of the latest materials and technologies, as well as with the installation of advanced systems and units for military purposes on machines - sights, combat modules and more.

"Participation in the exhibition is a great opportunity to show the scientific and innovative potential of the machine-building-industrial group Concern Tractor Plants," says its first vice president, Albert Bakov. - Visitors to the exhibition will see not only certain types of military equipment, but also its interaction with each other. According to the organizers of the event, it is planned to play a real combat battle, in which our armored vehicles, various types of infantry will be involved. weapons, combat helicopters and even fighter-bombers. "
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  1. Cpa
    Cpa 19 September 2013 07: 18
    +3
    Perhaps a self-propelled mortar based on BMD would not hurt.
    1. Per se.
      Per se. 19 September 2013 07: 28
      16
      Cannon-howitzer-mortar in "one bottle", this is "NONA-S", a very effective 120 mm airborne artillery system.
      1. alone
        alone 19 September 2013 22: 18
        +2
        effective artillery system. It is a pity that they refused 2s31 Vienna.
  2. Coward
    Coward 19 September 2013 07: 22
    38
    "Russia Arms Expo-2013"
    When will this worship end? "Exhibition of arms of Russia-2013" does not sound?
    1. Dangerous
      Dangerous 19 September 2013 07: 28
      +2
      World globalization ... so that ...
      1. Refund_SSSR
        Refund_SSSR 19 September 2013 07: 34
        28
        It’s not a matter of globalization, but of poor mind ... Why write the name in transliteration?
        Well, then they would have written "Vistovka vooruzeniy Rossii" wassat with the same success
        Brad!
        Well, personally, I do not know the state called "Russia".
        Russia - I know
        Russia - I know
        Rush - no, I don't know

        The one who invented this nonsense - to dismiss from his post!
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 19 September 2013 08: 58
          +5
          And put on the count!
          I support, too, the eye was cut. How some mockery!
    2. Horde
      Horde 19 September 2013 07: 34
      +5
      Quote: Coward
      When will this worship end? "Exhibition of arms of Russia-2013" does not sound?


      really rush-huyasha is a nasty disgusting word
    3. Lone gunman
      Lone gunman 19 September 2013 22: 08
      0
      That's right, it's not enough to "kill" for writing - "Russia Arms Expo-2013" ... as if our population is dominated by Jamshuts, demons, Slavs, Talians, Vavans ... and there are some, but we must respect ourselves and the country as a whole, then and we will all be respected in the world, it really reads like a colony of pi ... sky ...
  3. domokl
    domokl 19 September 2013 07: 24
    +7
    Of course, development is fine. Only now such vehicles will most likely enter the troops after some sort of India or Saudi Arabia. We have now taken up so much staz that almost any new equipment exists in single samples ...
    1. The comment was deleted.
      1. Apollo
        19 September 2013 07: 33
        +9
        Good morning everybody hi

        quote-Full-scale samples of the latest developments for the Ground Forces and Airborne Forces - BMP-3M, BTR-MDM, BMD-4M and SPTP 2S25 "Sprut-SD" - can be viewed at the static display.




        in addition to infe.
        another feature applies to the BMP-3M
        The BMP-3M will be presented with the Sodema multichannel complex designed and manufactured by the Vologda Optical and Mechanical Plant OJSC.

        This weapon control complex consists of a visual channel, a distance measuring channel and a thermal imaging channel.
        http://www.vestnik-rm.ru/news-4-6017.htm
        the sight of Sodem.

        1. mirag2
          mirag2 19 September 2013 08: 01
          0
          Driving performance is impressive, as is the angle of elevation of the gun (for urban combat) and armor? If you use it in urban combat, you need an active, not even DZ.
  4. Sergeant
    Sergeant 19 September 2013 07: 30
    +2
    Quote: Coward
    "Russia Arms Expo-2013"
    When will this worship end? "Exhibition of arms of Russia-2013" does not sound?


    "Russia Arms Expo-2013, RAE-2013"

    - It’s more readable and sonorous for our foreign friends.

    The most important goal of the exhibition is to collect more orders, including from foreign guests.
    1. Coward
      Coward 19 September 2013 11: 22
      +1
      I have nothing against English spelling. I am against stupid translating in Cyrillic.
  5. valodavoodoo
    valodavoodoo 19 September 2013 07: 37
    0
    Everything is fine. Nov I hope that the armature will be shown. Go Russia!!!
  6. major071
    major071 19 September 2013 07: 40
    +5
    Good morning! I think that they will first conclude an agreement on the supply of weapons to foreigners in order to earn money, and only then maybe in a few years they will start releasing for their own. Everything is done in one place with us.
  7. Koronik
    Koronik 19 September 2013 07: 44
    0
    Yes, of course it’s a pity that everything new doesn’t come to us, but to Saudi Arabia, Azerbaijan, India, etc. But there is no choice, where can I get money for the development of production capacities?
    1. Hitrovan07
      Hitrovan07 19 September 2013 08: 25
      +2
      In the gold reserves of Russia - which is still financing the economy of "our sworn friends."
  8. mirag2
    mirag2 19 September 2013 07: 57
    0
    Where already, where are they already?
  9. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 19 September 2013 07: 59
    +4
    smile I'm preparing a camera. If I don’t work that weekend, I’ll definitely go. Though live to look at them. In general, I would like to have such cars become a commonplace in the army, and not at exhibitions.
  10. brewhouse
    brewhouse 19 September 2013 08: 00
    +6
    BMD-based armored personnel carrier? A new skin on an old skeleton? This is an almost unprotected tractor. Yes, and he is somehow weakly armed. You can say nothing.
    A dubious novelty. However, common sense is a rare guest in the heads of those who make decisions on the procurement of such products.
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 19 September 2013 09: 32
      0
      Quote: Brewhouse
      Yes, and he is somehow weakly armed. You can say nothing.

      What are your requirements for armored personnel carriers?
      Automatic gun + ATGM + AG?
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 19 September 2013 13: 18
      +2
      Quote: Brewhouse
      BMD-based armored personnel carrier? A new skin on an old skeleton? This is an almost unprotected tractor.


      ..and here's another topic --- reconnaissance and patrol car.
      APA reports that the machine, created on the basis of the chassis of the BDRM-2 reconnaissance and patrol vehicle, significantly differs from the BRDM vehicles in their external design, as well as in armament and performance.
      The machine, the first extreme sample of which will be demonstrated at the exhibition "Azerbaijan 10 years", has passed tests to test the motor, movement and others. In the near future there will be a test shooting machine.
      According to experts, despite the purchase from abroad of some technologies that the machine is equipped with, in general, it is a 100% national project in design and creation. The new car differs from foreign analogues of this class with high protection against mines, third-party explosions and firing. Double armor of the machine does not miss even armor-piercing bullets like B-32.
      This machine is equipped with a 23 mm cannon, coaxial 7,62 mm machine gun, AQ-17 grenade launcher, two 7,62 mm machine guns and one 12,7 mm machine gun, vision systems for observing at night, in the daytime, in any weather etc. Ahead, on the sides, behind and on top, the car is equipped with cameras that provide vision, the information received by these cameras is reflected on the monitors placed in front of the driver and commander.
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 19 September 2013 13: 26
        0
        Quote: smersh70
        APA reports that the machine, created on the basis of the chassis of the BDRM-2 reconnaissance and patrol vehicle, significantly differs from the BRDM vehicles in their external design, as well as in armament and performance.

        Good upgrade. It seems that the base was lengthened. Although unlikely, of course.
        The engine and transmission are probably new?
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 19 September 2013 13: 45
          +1
          Quote: Flood
          The engine and transmission are probably new?



          .da. the base is elongated ... the doors are on the side and behind .. and lifted more ... but most importantly, air conditioning .... laughing diesel engine ...
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 19 September 2013 15: 11
            0
            Only Nurses are unclear why. In my opinion unnecessary.
            But, as they say, who pays - he and the girl are dancing.
            1. alone
              alone 19 September 2013 22: 20
              +1
              for me it would be better to put 2 pturs instead of nurses.
  11. krpmlws
    krpmlws 19 September 2013 08: 11
    +3
    Btr-mdm looks painfully similar to Western counterparts, but where is your own thought, traditions, school? high, "well, it's like a trend, convenience, spaciousness."
    1. Ivan Pavlov
      Ivan Pavlov 19 September 2013 08: 18
      +6
      the first impression is that the M-113 amersky armored personnel carrier
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 19 September 2013 09: 35
        0
        Quote: Ivan Pavlov
        the first impression is that the M-113 amersky armored personnel carrier

        Photos of "Shells", laid out with the article, more than one year already.
        I am sure that a sample will be exhibited at the exhibition, slightly different from the original appearance.
  12. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 19 September 2013 08: 12
    0
    The remnants of luxury, literally these days is the destruction of the Russian Academy of Sciences, so it is not known what will happen in the future, the collapse of Russia continues.
  13. krpmlws
    krpmlws 19 September 2013 08: 19
    -3
    What kind of jamb, the comment is not fully published? The aircraft carrier with two add-ons was torn off the English trough. I'm afraid to assume that they will do with Armata (in the style of a leopard or abrams), I drive away bad thoughts.
  14. Strashila
    Strashila 19 September 2013 08: 48
    -3
    At least something in exchange for the P-76.
  15. Santa Fe
    Santa Fe 19 September 2013 09: 35
    +5
    The width of the tracks, the dimensions of the rollers and the entire chassis of the new "super-armored vehicles" indicate that the "super-armored vehicles" weigh within 10 tons and are protected at the level of a cardboard box

    Designers did not bother to solve the main problem of Russian armored personnel carriers, BMDs and infantry fighting vehicles - to increase their SECURITY. A machine that shoots right through from a 12,7 mm machine gun is not armored vehicles. In modern conditions, it is a aluminum coffin. The landing party will still ride on the armor, because there is at least a chance to escape

    About the need for landing from an airplane - an ugly story: for all half a century of the landing, no one has ever dropped an armored vehicle in combatalthough the paratroopers themselves had fought to the limit. The airborne armored personnel carrier DOES NOT NEED anyone. The scope of its application is limited to riding on Earth and parade landing in front of the Commander-in-Chief (once a year)

    Give the guys normal MBT and heavy armored personnel carriers like the Israeli "Akhzarit" or "Namer" and stop killing people and "equipment that has no analogues in the world."

    (And the casket just opened: there is neither the strength nor the means to develop a new chassis. So you have to sculpt the BTR-MDM supercars and other slobers on the completely discredited chassis from the BMD family of vehicles)


    60-ton "Namer" armored personnel carrier, Israel Defense Forces. Machine guns are useless here - to stop this monster you will need land mines of 300 kilos of explosives, the most modern ATGMs and massive shelling from RPGs


    Troopers on armor. Are the designers of Tractor Plants ashamed to look the fighters in the eye? And so for 40 years ...
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 19 September 2013 13: 06
      0
      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
      The width of the tracks, the dimensions of the rollers and the entire undercarriage of the new "super-armored vehicles" indicate that the "super-armored vehicles" weigh within 10 tons

      13-14 tons - the weight of the BTR-MD.
      The modernization of the BTR-MDM, photos of which we do not yet have, will probably include the installation of additional armor.
      Yes, not Namer, of course, and not Ahzarit. But his tasks are somewhat different.
      1. Santa Fe
        Santa Fe 19 September 2013 20: 51
        0
        Quote: Flood
        13-14 tons - the weight of the BTR-MD.

        What does it matter when even the lightest of Western military vehicles of a similar purpose - the M1126 Stryker wheeled armored personnel carrier, with MEXAS composite armor weighs about 17 tons.
        And this is hardly enough even for low intensity conflicts, where the opponents hardly have anything more serious than TNT and rusty RPG-7 pots buried in the ground

        For serious hostilities, completely different machines are being developed:
        - German armored personnel carrier "Boxer" - weight 25 ... 30 tons

        - Swedish BMP "Stridesfordon 90" - 35 tons (compare with its peer - the domestic BMP-3, 19 tons !!! BMP-2 - 14 tons !!! this does not fit into any framework)





        - American BMP M2 "Bradley" - the mass of modern modifications - 37 tons!


        "Bradley"

        Finally, those who seriously risk their lives every day, and not by hearsay wonder what modern warfare is: the Army is the defense of Israel

        BTR "Akhzarit" (on Buzz T-54/55) - 44 tons

        BTR "Puma" (based on "Centurion") - 51 tons

        BTR "Namer" (based on Merkava-4) - 60 tons
        Quote: Flood
        But his tasks are somewhat different.

        They have one task - to protect the crew sitting inside

        Heavy BTR "Puma"
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 20 September 2013 11: 37
          0
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          What does it matter

          Just a little clarification, I love accuracy.
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

          BTR "Akhzarit" (on Buzz T-54/55) - 44 tons
          BTR "Puma" (based on "Centurion") - 51 tons
          BTR "Namer" (based on Merkava-4) - 60 tons

          Who is bigger? Now we have to deal with Israel, who has longer, harder?
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          They have one task - to protect the crew sitting inside

          This is the main task that should be coupled with others. Including air transport. And do not ask questions about the latest mass landings. Passed by. Today there are airborne troops. And they must be equipped with equipment in accordance with the existing tasks and requirements.
          1. Santa Fe
            Santa Fe 20 September 2013 15: 35
            +1
            Quote: Flood
            Who is bigger? Now we have to deal with Israel, who has longer, harder?

            Excess car mass is not just an engine and "wheels"
            Extra tons are extra inches of armor
            Quote: Flood
            This is the main task that should be coupled with others.

            That is the whole point. Domestic armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles do not justify their MAIN PURPOSE. They are NOT armored vehicles
            Quote: Flood
            Including air transport

            Do you need Akhzarit's air portability worse than Abrams ?!

            Quote: Flood
            Today there are airborne troops. And they must be equipped with equipment in accordance with the existing tasks and requirements.

            Over the past 50 years, they have fought on the ground, like a regular special forces unit or motorized infantry. They need MBT and Akhzarit based on the T-54, and not that sheath (BTR-MDM) that they slip them instead of normal armored vehicles
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 20 September 2013 18: 29
              0
              Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
              Extra tons are extra inches of armor

              I agree, centimeters of armor are not superfluous.
              But tons in this case are just superfluous.
              And, as I understand it, the line was developed according to the requirements of the Airborne Forces.
              Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
              Domestic armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles do not justify their MAIN PURPOSE. They are NOT armored vehicles

              Well, one more thing, why would it be? Is an armored vehicle the one on wheels that holds 120mm ammunition? Or do we recall that there are various classes, including the easy one?
              Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
              Do you need Akhzarit's air portability worse than Abrams ?!

              You are right, I missed the landing.
              Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
              Over the past 50 years, they have fought on the ground, like a regular special forces unit or motorized infantry. They need MBT and Akhzarit based on the T-54, and not that sheath (BTR-MDM) that they slip them instead of normal armored vehicles

              I know, I know, heard and read many times. The arguments are iron. But everything happens for the first time, and everything returns to square one. Think about it on occasion.
              1. Santa Fe
                Santa Fe 21 September 2013 15: 07
                0
                Quote: Flood
                I agree, centimeters of armor are not superfluous.
                But tons in this case are just superfluous.
                And, as I understand it, the line was developed according to the requirements of the Airborne Forces.

                A strange situation is observed here: both the Airborne Forces and the Naval Forces ride on the same tin cans, because there is practically no difference between BMP and BMD (a closer combat compartment - that’s, perhaps, all the differences)

                Despite the fact that the Airborne Forces, ground units and "marines" ALWAYS fight shoulder to shoulder and operate in the same conditions. On the ground.
                Quote: Flood
                Well, one more thing, why would it be? Is an armored vehicle the one on wheels that holds 120mm ammunition?

                An armored vehicle is a technique that can protect the crew from the most common weapons on the battlefield.

                Nowadays, every tattered man can have an RPG-7, and under each bush a vat with a dozen kg of explosives is buried - a deadly thing for those sitting on armor or inside domestic armored personnel carriers. Mines. Finally, small arms - a machine whose side is shot through from a DShK cannot be considered an armored car
                Quote: Flood
                Or do we recall that there are various classes, including the easy one?

                Once the tanks were also light, medium and heavy.

                With the development of anti-tank weapons, everything merged into one class - MBT weighing 50-70 tons. Otherwise, it is impossible to protect the machine.
                Quote: Flood
                Nayu-I know, heard and read many times. The arguments are iron. But everything happens for the first time, and everything returns to square one

                With such arguments, one can justify, for example, the need to equip the Airborne Forces with galleys or war chariots (light! Airborne desantation!)
                Quote: Flood
                You are right, I missed the landing.

                Airborne landing at Tuzla Airport, Bosnia, 1990s
                1. Flooding
                  Flooding 21 September 2013 16: 18
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                  Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                  Despite the fact that the Airborne Forces, ground units and "marines" ALWAYS fight shoulder to shoulder and operate in the same conditions. On the ground.

                  In some conditions. Perhaps I agree if we are not talking about a possible application, but about a given. But in different situations, if we look at a question with perspective. Otherwise, it turns out that neither the Airborne Forces nor the PM are needed. We dance from counter-terrorism operations.
                  Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                  Nowadays, every tattered man can have an RPG-7, and under each bush a vat with a dozen kg of explosives is buried - a deadly thing for those sitting on armor or inside domestic armored personnel carriers. Mines. Finally, small arms - a machine whose side is shot through from a DShK cannot be considered an armored car

                  Again, looking at what we are talking about. Fighting with a regular army is conducted in conditions that are much different from operations against terrorists.
                  I doubt the need for a total increased mine protection. As for bulletproof protection at the level of 12,7-14,5, I completely agree with you. But Nomer is not needed for this.
                  In addition, the capabilities of military transport aircraft must be taken into account. Is it preferable to throw one heavy unit or 3 light ones with almost equal firepower with one side?
                  Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                  With the development of anti-tank weapons, everything merged into one class - MBT weighing 50-70 tons. Otherwise, it is impossible to protect the machine.

                  Of course, because they perform one task. The class of reconnaissance tanks disappeared as such. Its functions passed to light and medium armored vehicles. That is, we can safely say that he did not disappear, but was reborn in a new appearance.
                  As for the heavy tank class, I see here a slack in your arguments. Because in Russian tank building, at least the development of MBT nevertheless went along the path close to the middle class.
                  Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                  With such arguments, one can justify, for example, the need to equip the Airborne Forces with galleys or war chariots (light! Airborne desantation!)

                  Can. If you want to find fault with words. I had a different meaning, thinking that you would try to understand me. I believe that it is precisely behind airborne equipment in Russia with its vast expanses that have a great future. Look at the map of Russia, pay attention to the grid of railways and roads.
                  1. Santa Fe
                    Santa Fe 21 September 2013 17: 49
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                    Quote: Flood
                    Perhaps I agree, if we are not talking about a possible application, but for granted.

                    After all, you need to build on this!
                    Quote: Flood
                    Otherwise, it turns out that neither the airborne forces nor the PM are needed.

                    In fact, yes. In the form in which the Airborne Forces are presented - "in berets, on slings", the Airborne Forces are not needed by anyone.

                    Real hostilities forced to quickly change tactics: mountain assault brigades (precision helicopter landings), landing at the airport by landing method (Bagram, Shindad, Ruzine, Tuzla, Mogadishu, Kwantung Army, etc. - examples for all occasions) or ordinary war on earth.

                    MP (Russian or American ILC) - similarly, these days they are the most combat-ready and trained expeditionary forces. They have the same relation to the sea as the airborne forces to parachutes.

                    Special operations forces capable of parachuting are necessary, but creating a whole kind of troops for this is pointless. Does anyone seriously believe that the IL-76 will fly far in the global war of the RF-USA or RF-China?
                    Quote: Flood
                    I doubt the need for a total increased mine protection.

                    It is most important
                    Quote: Flood
                    But Nomer is not needed for this.

                    Intention is the limit.
                    A Boxer (30 tons) or Akhzarit, simple as a stool, based on the T-54 (44 tons) look more harmonious.
                    Quote: Flood
                    throw one heavy unit or 3 light ones with almost equal firepower on one side?

                    It is better to throw 1 combat unit than 3 coffins that will die from the first hit of an RPG

                    Firepower is not important for an APC. SECURITY IS IMPORTANT
                    for firepower there is an MBT or another interesting project - BMPT based on MBT
                    Quote: Flood
                    That is, we can safely say that he did not disappear, but was reborn in a new appearance.

                    If you are talking about Puma with a 90 mm gun or a Striker with 105 mm - these are machines for punitive forces in local wars. Israel, who is fighting a well-trained enemy, does not use such machines.
                    Quote: Flood
                    Because in Russian tank building, at least the development of MBT nevertheless went along the path close to the middle class.

                    It all depends on the booked volume. For Russian tanks, the volume of the fighting compartment is deliberately "squeezed" to a minimum + rejection of the loader. That is why the mass is 45 tons.

                    As for the LBD - there, like everyone else, 100 mm steel + 100 mm ceramic + 100 mm steel (exaggerate, of course). Hundreds of mm metal, dynamic protection, mounted anti-cumulative screens, grilles, etc. things that increase security

                    MAIN BATTLE TANK
                    Quote: Flood
                    Look at the map of Russia, pay attention to the grid of railways and roads.

                    Pass through all populated areas and industrialized regions
                    Tank battles in Oymyakon or beyond Chersky ridge - science fiction
    2. Praetorian
      Praetorian 19 September 2013 13: 22
      0
      All is correctly said. All these are cans.
      1. Santa Fe
        Santa Fe 21 September 2013 17: 55
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        BTR Ahzarit





        The Russian analogue is BMO-T based on the T-72. With a log!
  16. Urri
    Urri 20 September 2013 00: 47
    +2
    Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
    Machine guns are useless here - in order to stop this monster, it will take 300 mines of explosives


    10-12 kg under the track. And then, welcome to the 12,5 mm machine gun. Or wait inside until they burn it, laying it over with thatch. And do not about the combat module remote control. Floor store from SVD will not bring him to good
    1. Santa Fe
      Santa Fe 20 September 2013 02: 09
      +1
      Quote: Urri
      10-12 kg under the track. And then, welcome to the 12,5 mm machine gun. Or wait inside until they burn it, laying it over with thatch. And do not about the combat module remote control. Floor store from SVD will not bring him to good

      Wow, what a strategist!
      And a multi-kilogram IED under the caterpillar, and straw, and a 12,5 machine gun, and an SVD ...

      The reality is much more prosaic - an explosion of 10-12 kg under the caterpillar will kill everyone sitting inside the Russian armored personnel carrier. While Ahzarit will only get off a torn track and lose mobility

      About straw - rubbish rubbish, because there is more than one armored personnel carrier in the colony - there will be someone to cover the wrecked car, the main crew and the landing force remained intact
  17. Jacob31
    Jacob31 20 September 2013 01: 02
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    Great news)) In general, the Airborne Forces should be equipped with all types of weapons of our armies. And then it will be poorer than the US Marine Corps. A universal tool for solving problems anywhere in the world.
  18. Slevinst
    Slevinst 20 September 2013 10: 32
    0
    here argue here azarchite there and so on. compare the size of Israel and Russia, what is good there will be bad here and vice versa. our country is not going to win someone, we almost always defended ourselves. try to quickly transfer azarhite for several thousand kilometers and try on an airplane. does not work? too big and heavy? the same thing. and the fact that our guys ride on the armor is because it is easier to land and faster. Yes, protection needs to be improved, but the price should not bite too much and the weight should be acceptable. the country is big. you need a lot of technology. with this approach, we don’t need such strong armor. we need the most advanced detection and suppression tools. this is my opinion I think it is close to reality
    1. Santa Fe
      Santa Fe 20 September 2013 15: 22
      +1
      Quote: Slevinst
      compare the sizes of israel and russia

      Russia, unlike Israel, has a developed railway network
      Quote: Slevinst
      try to quickly transfer azarhite for several thousand km

      As well as MBT - on railway



      Quote: Slevinst
      but try on an airplane.

      If you urgently need to transfer a tank company to Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk, the sides of military transport aircraft will easily do this. Don't even doubt it



      Quote: Slevinst
      Yes, protection needs to be improved, but the price should not bite too much and the weight should be acceptable

      Who said that a 10-man IFV crew needed less protection than a three-man MBT crew ?!

      That's just a tank weighs 45-50, and even 60 tons
      And some naive citizens want to get a well-protected vehicle with a mass of 13-14 tons (like this "Rakushka" slaughterhouse, aka BTR-MDM)

      Despite the fact that Akhzarit is just a modernized T-54/55 platform, which we have enough of. The Russian Federation has its own similar developments - BMO-T based on the T-72. The price of "deep modernization" will not be higher than the purchase of new BMP-3
      Quote: Slevinst
      our guys ride armored because it's easier to land and faster

      Then why do they need an armored personnel carrier?
      Let them ride jeeps and buggies, it's even easier and faster ...

      Armor is needed to protect people, everything else is particular. Domestic armored vehicles do not justify their main mission.

      This is how the Yankees deliver their tanks to Iraq