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"Growing China, Sinking Russia", - The Economist

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Less than a decade ago, there was little doubt about where, having become not so long time independent, the countries of Central Asia were to supply their vast reserves of oil and gas. Of course, it was about Russia, which dominated in this region, writes The Economist September 14.


But today the situation has changed radically: there is an active construction of highways for the transportation of oil and gas from Central Asia to the PRC.

So, last week, PRC Chairman Xi Jinping traveled all over Central Asia with visits, concluded bilateral energy agreements and promised billions in investments.

In Turkmenistan, the largest supplier of natural gas to China, the PRC leader took part in the discovery of the Galkynysh gas field.

In Kazakhstan, the Chinese signed a cooperation agreement worth about $ 30 billion, including the Kashagan oil project - one of the largest oil discoveries in recent decades.

Then, on September 9, Chinese President Xi Jinping and Uzbek President Islam Karimov signed a cooperation agreement for $ 15 billion relating to exploration and production of oil, gas and uranium.

Thus, China is the largest trading partner of four of the five countries in this region (excluding Uzbekistan). During Xi Jinping's trip, Chinese state-owned media reported that China’s trade with Central Asia grew last year to $ 46 billion, an increase of 100 times over 20 years.

However, it is not a secret to anyone that China is increasing its presence here at the expense of Russia, notes The Economist.

“Russia still controls most of Central Asia’s energy exports, but its relative economic influence in the region is rapidly decreasing. For many years, Russia has viewed this territory as its “raw materials appendage,” buying oil and gas at below market prices for subsequent re-export, ”the article states.

Along with this, Russia and China also have their own bilateral relations. The Russian government wants to capitalize on the economic power of its eastern neighbor, while Beijing views Russia as an important ally on the world stage (not by chance, PRC Chairman Xi Jinping paid his first foreign visit as head of state to Moscow). All this speaks of strengthening both cooperation and competition between the two countries.

As for Central Asia, according to Russian expert on China Vasily Kashin, "they will try to get the best out of this rivalry."

However, in matters of security in Central Asia, China still relies on Russia. The main concern of China is the threat from the Uygur separatists and their supporters in Central Asia. Thus, China is also interested in increasing its influence in security matters.

For example, 10 September Xi Jinping arrived in Bishkek on a state visit to Kyrgyzstan, as well as to attend the 13 meeting of the Council of Heads of State of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), whose main task is to fight against three evils - extremism, separatism and of terrorism.

It is possible that with its investments in Central Asia, China contributes to raising the standard of living and, consequently, increasing stability in the region that shares the 2,800-kilometer (1,750-mile) border with Xinjiang, the most western region of China.

“But Chinese contractors flooded Central Asia, building roads and pipelines, and even government buildings in the capital of Tajikistan, Dushanbe, while millions of unemployed people from these countries go to work in Russia,” the article says.

According to Deirdre Tynan, director of the Central Asian project of the International Crisis Group, Central Asian governments view China as a rich and strong partner, but “do not attempt to ease tensions between Chinese workers and the host society.”
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  1. Skiff
    Skiff 18 September 2013 07: 43
    33
    The headline is idiotic, everything else is already clear, all Chinese help and investments are not worth a damn if all the workers in Russia are sent back home.
    1. Civil
      Civil 18 September 2013 09: 11
      +7
      The section of Central Asia is inevitable ...
    2. 0255
      0255 18 September 2013 13: 35
      +4
      The headline is idiotic, everything else is already clear, all Chinese help and investments are not worth a damn if all the workers in Russia are sent back home.

      It would be better to send all the Chinese from all over the world)))
    3. Oleg14774
      Oleg14774 18 September 2013 14: 36
      +2
      Quote: Skiff
      if all workers in Russia are sent back home.

      I can add that if you conserve natural resources, then over time they will cost more. As the saying goes, there would be no happiness, but "misfortune" helped. The United States is not willing to develop its natural resources. And here bureaucrats are ready to sell oil and gas and other natural resources at least for one day for nothing, just to fill their pockets, but they are not used to thinking about the future generation (to put it mildly). So let the Central Asian countries work more for China. We have something to do, we need to raise the economy, although of course it rises with difficulty, but still rises.
    4. GREAT RUSSIA
      GREAT RUSSIA 18 September 2013 19: 59
      +2
      Quote: Skiff
      The headline is idiotic, everything else is already clear, all Chinese help and investments are not worth a damn if all the workers in Russia are sent back home.

      All countries that cooperate with China lose more than they gain. They are like parasites, slowly but surely depleting the natural reserves of other countries. And RUSSIA is not drowning. This is China drowning because of its pragmatic policies.
    5. Siberian German
      Siberian German 19 September 2013 04: 34
      0
      that's just who launched them to us - aren't we ourselves leaving our jobs and shuttling managers, lawyers, etc.
  2. Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 18 September 2013 07: 46
    15
    Everything is lost. The Chinese will crush RUSSIA; in fact, the Chinese leadership is, on the contrary, interested in stable relations with RUSSIA.
    CHINA has no problems of its own, and the Chinese are unlikely to decide to create another source of threat in the person of RUSSIA.
    Although at the household level, the Chinese can boss in our lands too many have bred.
    1. eplewke
      eplewke 18 September 2013 08: 31
      +2
      Yeah. Send all the Gaster from Russia back, then they will build up all these republics in a year!
      1. Tambov we ...
        Tambov we ... 18 September 2013 18: 54
        +1
        Do not smack nonsense. To build, you need logistics, you need a developed industry of building materials, you need a stable banking sector, you need a socio-economic factor, you need an energy factor. And Gaster, in itself, is only bare working hands without any of the above support.
        1. dark_65
          dark_65 18 September 2013 21: 41
          +1
          These are hands that can take a cobblestone, an automaton, whatever ... these are hands, not of a Russian peasant, hands of a different mentality, and an ethnic group.
    2. Deniska999
      Deniska999 18 September 2013 08: 32
      +6
      I read one reputable magazine, so in China, an economic downturn is now planned, many money is being invested in the construction of ghost towns, apparently local officials are washing them, the population is aging.
      1. washi
        washi 18 September 2013 13: 26
        +2
        Quote: Deniska999
        I read one reputable magazine, so in China, an economic downturn is now planned, many money is being invested in the construction of ghost towns, apparently local officials are washing them, the population is aging.

        These cities are being built in northern China. There are few Chinese volunteers who want to live in the "dead" lands. But many Russians buy apartments there, especially pensioners. With our pension you can live there with dignity. One problem is visas.
      2. Zhenya
        Zhenya 18 September 2013 14: 12
        +1
        Deniska999 Is the population getting old? Are you seriously?? They can double their population in a short time, data and the issue is resolved. China has too much population, too much and the fact that they are aging 300 million Chinese does not mean anything.
    3. Orel
      Orel 18 September 2013 08: 36
      +6
      I agree with you. I’ll add from myself that if you look at the situation more broadly than the author of the article does, you can see that China and Russia are forming cooperation with Central Asia with the prospect of forming a very strong geopolitical alliance. China does not benefit from a weak Russia, and Russia does not benefit from a weak China. Today, everyone understands that if Russia becomes an ally of China, then this tandem will take world leadership in the future, and if Russia becomes an ally of the West, then China will be very limited, as indeed Russia itself.
      1. Sandov
        Sandov 18 September 2013 09: 51
        +2
        BRICS is gaining momentum - it pleases, but you can not dampen. With China, you need to be careful and careful, as well as with the amers.
        1. silver_roman
          silver_roman 18 September 2013 12: 26
          +6
          BRICS - as for me, is more of a rasparin structure. A strong union will not come out of it for at least one reason: the BRICS countries are relatively distant from each other (Brazil, South Africa). Those. in essence, BRICS was created to show that a certain circle of countries is gaining weight and will seek to advance its interests in geopolitics. In fact, all the main tasks of the BRICS participants are independently promoted and only some projects are submitted in the form of meetings of the BRICS participants.
          It is the same with the SCO: the Russian Federation sees its benefits and pursues its goals as part of the SCO, China has its own. Like Krylov: A swan pulls a blanket over itself, a cancer towards itself, a pike towards itself))).
          Although perhaps my point of view is very subjective and perhaps in the future this all cooperation as a part of the listed organizations will result in something.
        2. alone
          alone 18 September 2013 21: 21
          +2
          Quote: Sandov
          BRICS is gaining momentum - it pleases, but you can not dampen. With China, you need to be careful and careful, as well as with the amers.


          China is much more dangerous. America-the enemy is open! but China seems to be with Russia, it seems not. The East is a delicate matter, a special approach is required. It is not for nothing that the Chinese turned their eyes to Central Asia. This territory has always been in Russia's sphere of interest.
          1. Semurg
            Semurg 18 September 2013 21: 36
            +1
            Quote: lonely
            Quote: Sandov
            BRICS is gaining momentum - it pleases, but you can not dampen. With China, you need to be careful and careful, as well as with the amers.


            China is much more dangerous. America-the enemy is open! but China seems to be with Russia, it seems not. The East is a delicate matter, a special approach is required. It is not for nothing that the Chinese turned their eyes to Central Asia. This territory has always been in Russia's sphere of interest.

            It’s always in the sphere of Russia that you’ve got a little excited. Middle Asia was in the sphere of interests of China even when there was not even Russia. In the last 250-300 years, yes it was the sphere of interests of Russia, but now Russia has lost its interest in Middle Asia and China, on the contrary, is showing it.
            1. alone
              alone 18 September 2013 23: 19
              +1
              Well, I mean how that segment, when Central Asia was part of the Republic of Ingushetia, the USSR hi
    4. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 18 September 2013 20: 18
      +1
      Quote: Lech s ZATULINKI
      CHINA has no problems of its own

      And so that the Celestial Empire does not have undesirable complications in the future when changing relations with Russia, it creates an additional channel of nutrition for its economy with hydrocarbons.
      In 2's, China has free financial resources, which it skillfully capitalizes in highly profitable and profitable projects. Neighbors are poor and China accepts investments with pleasure: support for the national economy, employment, maintenance of living standards.
      B-3-x, the countries of Central Asia are reoriented to a new center of power and economic growth, get out (to a certain extent) from the economic influence of the Russian Federation. “Russia still controls most of Central Asia’s energy exports, but its relative economic influence in the region is rapidly declining. For many years, Russia regarded this territory as its “raw materials appendage,” buying oil and gas at prices below market prices for subsequent re-export, ”the article cites. This statement is based on figures and analysis.
    5. Joffrey
      Joffrey 20 September 2013 23: 47
      0
      That's right, a Chinese acquaintance said that now China begins 90 years as in Russia.
  3. a52333
    a52333 18 September 2013 07: 51
    +7
    China is not only an active economic player there, it is in Africa and South America, and I would not say that Central Asia is a priority for China. Rather, there, in Central Asia, the Chinese also staked out.
    1. GREAT RUSSIA
      GREAT RUSSIA 18 September 2013 20: 01
      0
      The Vietnamese have always been cunning. All of our Siberia is their zone of interest for them. They are vindictive. But this vindication will bring them nothing good.
  4. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 18 September 2013 07: 57
    +8
    from the Don.
    This is where the vague domestic policy of GDP begins to appear. All statements of the GDP with the PRIME MINISTER about innovation, about modernization, about a jump from the oil: needles:, lead only to boltology, to increasing corruption, in which legs grow from impunity !!!
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 18 September 2013 20: 26
      +2
      Quote: borisjdin1957
      All GDP statements from the PRIME MINISTER about innovation, about modernization, about the jump from the oil needle:

      must have a source of funding. Working capital is needed to renew fixed capital, and where to get it from, if not from the pipe. As far as I know, apart from military products, the rest of us are not doing very well. If we do not replace the 50 machines, then it will be difficult to count on broad prospects in the future.
  5. seller trucks
    seller trucks 18 September 2013 08: 02
    +7
    “Russia still controls most of Central Asia’s energy exports, but its relative economic influence in the region is rapidly declining. For many years, Russia regarded this territory as its “raw materials appendage,” buying oil and gas at prices below market prices for subsequent re-export. ”


    Well, here the gentlemen from Foggy Albion are cunning, there are much more players, including the USA, and what can I say, the British themselves, if you can agree with China, purely hypothetically, then the Anglo-Saxons, only on terms favorable to them, the battle for resources continues ... .. to be continued
  6. predator.3
    predator.3 18 September 2013 08: 05
    +9
    “But Chinese contractors flooded Central Asia with roads and pipelines, and even government buildings in the capital of Tajikistan, Dushanbe, while millions of unemployed from these countries go to work in Russia, ”the article says.

    Well, of course, these buildings are stuffed with "bugs", the contract is Chinese, the workers are Chinese, and the money goes home - in the PRC. And we flooded all of Russia with these Gaster, when we have a lot of unemployed.
    I once read an interview with an African, here he writes that the Chinese, when they came to his country, first smiled sweetly and nodded their heads, and then, when they signed the contracts, the smiles disappeared, drove their workers and now it is not known who is the boss in the country! This will be in Central Asia.
  7. waisson
    waisson 18 September 2013 08: 08
    +7
    we refused to build communism and they build and we went along the path of Amer’s democracy and freed the state
    1. Per se.
      Per se. 18 September 2013 10: 06
      +6
      In China, communism for the Chinese is not the Soviet Union, with its help to all "progressive humanity". China, with its "national communism" can very painfully hit Russia, stronger than "friendly" National Socialist Germany, Hitler at least openly expounded everything, but these are more cunning and insidious. China cannot be defeated by capitalism, unless the Union and the socialist state institutions are revived, capitalist Russia will have little chance and little time.
  8. My address
    My address 18 September 2013 08: 18
    +4
    A holy place is never empty. It was necessary to move. In China, the people and the authorities are one in many respects, ours are largely different, hence the achievements of China and our failures.
  9. bashkort
    bashkort 18 September 2013 08: 44
    +2
    Sinking States, growing China - there will also be an article on the topic. And we, if we do not put things in order, will be "afraid" of all more or less significant neighbors
    1. GREAT RUSSIA
      GREAT RUSSIA 18 September 2013 20: 02
      0
      Quote: bashkort
      Sinking States, growing China - there will also be an article on the topic. And we, if we do not put things in order, will be "afraid" of all more or less significant neighbors

      The sinking States, the fatter China and the growing power of RUSSIA will be right.
  10. rugor
    rugor 18 September 2013 08: 46
    +3
    Nonsense. The process is absolutely natural, China is the largest consumer of resources, Russia is a transit country, its bulk in good. It is clear that sales in China will grow.
  11. Aeneas
    Aeneas 18 September 2013 09: 05
    +5
    With the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Chinese settled well: they owned territories from Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and Russia. Central Asian states are becoming a raw materials appendage of China, Russia also wants to supply oil and gas to China and has already agreed on volumes, but not at a price. The Chinese want to get resources cheaply, and Central Asians bring down the price. At the same time, the Russian Federation is already supplying electricity to China cheaper than for domestic consumers. Due to this raw material and resources, the Chinese are developing their industry, and exciting ambitions, including territorial ones.
  12. JonnyT
    JonnyT 18 September 2013 09: 22
    +3
    China is not going anywhere from us! Like his own! What can Western countries offer in exchange for friendship with Russia? Nothing! We are like two sailors after a shipwreck, holding on to one log, if the log disappears - we’ll both both!
    1. Per se.
      Per se. 18 September 2013 09: 49
      +9
      Quote: JonnyT
      if the log disappears, we will both
      "Bolivar will not stand two" ... What friendship is in politics, especially with crafty China? China will gain strength, using our raw materials and fishing for technologies, and it will stop smiling at us. China, indeed, will not go anywhere from us, such a freebie is rushing, but we with such a "friend" need to keep the powder dry and reduce naivety.
      1. JonnyT
        JonnyT 18 September 2013 14: 55
        0
        In the current situation, when the United States and the European Union are still strong, China will not go anywhere, but when they are gone, then the Russia-China confrontation will begin, but for now we need to hold together, especially at this stage some of our interests coincide
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 18 September 2013 20: 41
          +2
          Quote: JonnyT
          when the united states and the european union are still strong, china will not go anywhere, but when they are gone then the confrontation between Russia and China will begin, but for now we need to hold together even more so at this stage some of our interests coincide

          If the alignment of foreign political forces and the vectors of their application changes, our attitude towards our neighbor will also change. But today, China’s counterbalance system is being built in the person of India (1,2 billion people), with whom we have developed mutually beneficial relations in the military-technical cooperation. And right now, we are friends with China against the United States and NATO. What's wrong with this: we weigh more on this than on our own.
    2. Aeneas
      Aeneas 18 September 2013 09: 56
      +4
      that's just China and knows how to "hold on to the logs." In their ter claims to their neighbors, the Chinese appeal to treaties dating back to the times of the Celestial Empire, which are a hundred or two hundred years old. And at times, they succeed.
  13. VladimirLerm
    VladimirLerm 18 September 2013 09: 31
    +3
    for so many years we have been talking about the need to jump off the oil needle and invest more in the development of new technologies, but apparently our rulers have different thoughts
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 18 September 2013 21: 04
      +2
      Quote: VladimirLerm
      you need to jump off the oil needle and invest more in the development of new technologies, but apparently our rulers have different thoughts

      VladimirLerm, you can jump off only when there are other sources of financing for new high-tech industries. For example, interest on royal deposits in Swiss banks. In the meantime, there is no freebie - they will invest from the "pipe", which (the nurse) will be cared for and cherished.
      About the rulers. I personally have never heard a call from any state official to close high-tech industries, but just the opposite. Why aren't funds coming? They are coming. Skolkovo was built, but the return is not visible. The redhead threw giants at his compatriots from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology for the technology of the 60s of the 20th century. Caught. He obeyed. Forgiven. And the guys from the Novosibirsk Academic Town are still "dry" making their way through the thorns to the stars. The position of other specialized industry institutions is no better. RAS - a hotbed of "organizers" of science - are trying to force them to engage in science and not property. They are resisting. And what about moving science forward, supporting young people? no, no dividends are visible ...
  14. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 18 September 2013 10: 15
    +2
    The Economist confuses soft with warm. It is quite natural multidirectional. Russia to the EU and China that will remain. Well, Central Asia is a bit to the EU, through Russia, and the rest to China.
    Of course, geopolitically it looks insulting.
    BUT!
    Before these voyages, China was actively negotiating something with Russia.
    The threat of China is exaggerated. Their economy is strong and dynamic only in absolute numbers. In reality, everything is very complicated and unsteady there. If only because almost all production does not belong to China.
    Poverty is terrible there. Their old people, for the most part, do not receive pensions, etc., etc. Those hotbeds of a frantic economic leap are far from all of China.
    By the way, exactly the same story was in Russia, the end of the XIX, the beginning of the XX century. How it all ended, we know.
    1. washi
      washi 18 September 2013 13: 34
      +2
      Quote: Peaceful military
      The Economist confuses soft with warm. It is quite natural multidirectional. Russia to the EU and China that will remain. Well, Central Asia is a bit to the EU, through Russia, and the rest to China.
      Of course, geopolitically it looks insulting.
      BUT!
      Before these voyages, China was actively negotiating something with Russia.
      The threat of China is exaggerated. Their economy is strong and dynamic only in absolute numbers. In reality, everything is very complicated and unsteady there. If only because almost all production does not belong to China.
      Poverty is terrible there. Their old people, for the most part, do not receive pensions, etc., etc. Those hotbeds of a frantic economic leap are far from all of China.
      By the way, exactly the same story was in Russia, the end of the XIX, the beginning of the XX century. How it all ended, we know.

      The Chinese are like an old bull in a joke. Slowly, slowly, and the whole herd. But for Russia, the threat is really exaggerated. The Chinese do not want to live north of their wall. But Central Asia suits them.
      Maybe change? Manchuria and Korea to Turkmenistan and Tajikistan.
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 18 September 2013 14: 04
        0
        The Chinese do not want to live north of their wall. But Central Asia suits them.
        Maybe change? Manchuria and Korea to Turkmenistan and Tajikistan.

        Yes, Vasya and that too. Just change will not work smile
  15. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 18 September 2013 12: 01
    +1
    <<< However, it is no secret to anyone that China is increasing its presence here (in Central Asia) at the expense of Russia, The Economist notes.
    “Russia still controls most of Central Asia's energy exports, but its relative economic influence in the region is rapidly declining. >>>
    It seems that the main obstacle to the creation of the Eurasian Union, to which Russia is striving, logically believing that the time has come to "collect stones," today and in the near future is not so much the United States (Clintonshi's statement that the United States will by all means prevent its creation) , and CHINA, which quietly, as they say, assimilates without noise and dust, crushes the former "possessions" of Russia - the territories of the now independent union republics, which Russia planned to include in the Eurasian Union being created! China does not need Great Russia as well as the West!
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 18 September 2013 21: 27
      +1
      Quote: Goldmitro
      China Great Russia also does not need as the West!

      Good evening Dmitry! a bit of history. The confrontation between the USSR and the USA in the Cold War. Undermining the opponent’s economy by exorbitant military spending. Today there is no second world economy, and there is no USSR. Now the second economy is China. Now the States go to the Asia-Pacific. Withdraw production from the territory of China. In short, the next in line is China. The leaders of the PRC understand this, and therefore need such an ally as Russia. Therefore, they are still in need of a strong Russia. Our country can make our country great.
  16. dvvv
    dvvv 18 September 2013 12: 06
    +2
    Quote: Orel
    Today, everyone understands that if Russia becomes an ally of China, then this tandem will take world leadership in the future, and if Russia becomes an ally of the West, then China will be very limited, as indeed Russia itself.

    - And what prevents China from leading without Russia? A few years later, he is shining leadership in the global economy. He doesn’t need Russia for this, but as a source of raw materials, it will definitely be needed and the territories are also needed. The fact is that the Russian oligarchs, in most non-Russian nationalities, prefer to live in London and rob Russia and not think a bit about the future, unlike the Chinese. The Chinese are just building the center of the universe at home and not in London
    1. washi
      washi 18 September 2013 13: 43
      +1
      Quote: dvvv
      Quote: Orel
      Today, everyone understands that if Russia becomes an ally of China, then this tandem will take world leadership in the future, and if Russia becomes an ally of the West, then China will be very limited, as indeed Russia itself.

      - And what prevents China from leading without Russia? A few years later, he is shining leadership in the global economy. He doesn’t need Russia for this, but as a source of raw materials, it will definitely be needed and the territories are also needed. The fact is that the Russian oligarchs, in most non-Russian nationalities, prefer to live in London and rob Russia and not think a bit about the future, unlike the Chinese. The Chinese are just building the center of the universe at home and not in London

      Yes, we have different brains. We are researchers, leaders. They are performers.
      In their politics and industry, they use the work of temporary detention facilities. In technology and science - by the development of our scientists and engineers.
      They will protect and protect our country. BUT in the open they will never recognize this, especially when we have Western values
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 18 September 2013 21: 45
      +2
      Quote: dvvv
      and what prevents China from leading without Russia?

      Russia is still a military superpower capable of destroying the United States alone. This annoys the States, China, by the way, too.

      Quote: dvvv
      a few years later, leadership in the global economy shines. He doesn’t need Russia for this, but as a source of raw materials, it will definitely be needed and the territories are also needed.

      Is not a fact. Per capita production look. The states went through a period of recession, the rise began. (only shook with a club - and what is the effect).
      The expansion of China is likely to be directed to the countries of Central Asia. It’s safer, more promising (the Mongoloid type is all of them), and closer by cultural tradition. At the same time, India and the Russian Federation seem to be aloof.
  17. Lindon
    Lindon 18 September 2013 12: 07
    +5
    The main message is that Russia's monopoly on Central Asia has been destroyed.
    More recently, troops were stationed in Afghanistan - this was a zone of interest.
    Now China has declared Central Asia its zone of interests and is demanding its share of resources.
    10 years ago there was no pipe to China - today there are 2 railway lines, 2 gas pipelines and 1 oil pipelines.
    The 1 railway branch, 2 gas pipeline, etc. are still on the way.
    Just the facts.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 18 September 2013 13: 18
      +3
      China is a growing consumer of energy and also the largest producer. Well, the Central Asian countries want to get their piece by supplying gas-oil to China, as well as insurance against arm wringing from Russia (for example, Turkmenistan with an exploded gas pipeline). As long as the west direction energy flows stalled east Perhaps the southern direction of India-Pakistan will appear (although so far only in plans). Russia is still losing on the economic field, but is trying to stay on the military-political field. True, if the economy does not support politics, then it will lose.
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 18 September 2013 13: 46
        +5
        Quote: Semurg
        . Russia so far loses on the field of economy, but tries to stay on the military-political field. True, if the economy does not support politics, then it will lose.

        At the very beginning of 2000's, in the magazine TEAM there was an article stating that the PRC "swornly" promised to stop purchasing arms from abroad by 2020.
        A little more than 10 and years have passed, and we can conclude that the Chinese fit into the schedule laid down in the country's development program at the end of the 90 of the last century.
        Today, for the "celestial" the main current problem is energy, and they are not unsuccessfully solving it, without making loud statements.
        One day, the SCO member states will find that most of them owe the Chinese, and a lot, which will force the debtors to follow the course recommended by the Chinese. Having gained control over the situation over most of Asia, the PRC will thus be able to "cut off oxygen" and other countries that have placed their production in the "celestial" territory.
        PS I do not pretend to the laurels of Ivashov wassat
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 18 September 2013 21: 49
          +1
          The countries of Middle Asia need money, China needs to invest its gold reserves in real assets like natural resources and energy sources, which they do around the world, and to protect their investments around the world, they need an army and navy along with other instruments than China is now intensely and engaged in. When he reaches a certain point for himself, he will begin to make offers to his neighbors that it will be difficult for them to refuse (that is, turn into an empire). This conclusion was made by our nickel (taxi drivers) and they are rarely mistaken and Ivashov is far from them laughing
    2. washi
      washi 18 September 2013 13: 44
      0
      Let China send its troops and protect the Russian Federation from Islamists and drugs from Central Asia.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 18 September 2013 22: 05
        +1
        Quote: Vasya
        Let China send its troops and protect the Russian Federation from Islamists and drugs from Central Asia.

        State sovereignty is determined by the fact that there are no foreign troops on its territory, and it solves its own problems on its own. But I would like to have guarantees of the inviolability of our eastern borders as strong as possible.
        Internal enemies and internal problems are the business of the security organs of the state itself.
  18. Sobol
    Sobol 18 September 2013 12: 49
    +5
    Throughout history, whoever has not predicted the collapse of Russia. "Russia is a colossus with feet of clay, Russia is sinking, Russia is finished." And Russia is worth it and wanted to spit on all these "prophets"
  19. mithridate
    mithridate 18 September 2013 14: 40
    +1
    China has serious potential and should not be underestimated
  20. Max otto
    Max otto 18 September 2013 14: 59
    +2
    Come on, the Chinese are in Central Asia, the Chinese have been in Europe for a long time! In Belarus: Electrification of railway roads (the border of Ukraine-Gomel-Minsk, and this is not only wires but also a bunch of substations, everything is Chinese), reconstruction of Krichevtsementnoshifer, BCZ Kostyukovichsky, these are large cement plants, equipment and work - China, this is only that I personally participated, and how much I don’t know yet?
  21. chushoj
    chushoj 18 September 2013 19: 14
    +2
    It is not worth it to tell and inspire the Russians whom they should be afraid of. On the contrary, Russia should by all means send its gas to China, and be friends with China. China has always been a reliable friend with those who do not impersonate.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 18 September 2013 22: 15
      +1
      Quote: chushoj
      make friends with China. China has always been a reliable friend with those who do not impersonate.

      I remember when the radio "sang": Russian and Chinese are brothers forever ... But, "nothing lasts forever under the moon, friend of Horatio" (c). There was also Damansky and the excommunication of the CCP from the ICM.
      Therefore, you must very carefully build your relations with the eastern neighbors, especially such as the Celestial Empire.
  22. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 18 September 2013 20: 52
    0
    I’m afraid that Russia would not be in the situation of today's Ukraine. Right China to the left of Europe. So far, they were strong economically and militarily in comparison with them, this was not noticed. And now you need to keep your eyes open.
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 18 September 2013 21: 13
      +1
      Well, we certainly will not find ourselves in the situation of Ukraine - after all, we are not so weak, as they sometimes want to imagine.
      1. poquello
        poquello 18 September 2013 22: 11
        +2
        Quote: Albert1988
        Well, we certainly will not find ourselves in the situation of Ukraine - after all, we are not so weak, as they sometimes want to imagine.

        We will not be, we will not be. We already had noodles on our ears and fairy tales about the country's chronic weakness; I do not believe in either the weakness of Russia or Ukraine. My wife came from the Crimea - says the people in Ukraine are right, but the government .. sorry, I won’t.
  23. Albert1988
    Albert1988 18 September 2013 21: 11
    +1
    It's strange - the authors in the title clearly hint that China is actively pushing Russia out of post-Soviet Central Asia, and after reading it, one gets the impression that China and Russia have begun to compete in this space in some areas, which will only be useful for the economy, but then in general it turns out that Moscow and Beijing are cooperating on many important issues. Eh, Western bias, I wonder if Russia in the post-Soviet space, for example, becomes extremely strong economically, will they also present it in a negative light in their "The Economist"?