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The redistribution of property RAS under the guise of reform

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The real battle today is unfolding between members of the scientific community and representatives of different branches of government. The reason for this powerful confrontation lies in the reform of the Russian Academy of Sciences. Since the moment the Ministry of Education and Science, headed by Dmitry Livanov, announced the need to urgently change something in the RAS, an impressive number of full-time and correspondence battles between academics and people in power have passed.


The redistribution of property RAS under the guise of reform


The President of the RAS Academician Vladimir Fortov met Putin in his time and tried to explain to the President that the steps that, under the guise of reform, he wants to push Lebanons with his team, do not meet the interests of not only the scientific community, but also the interests of the whole country, but are aimed at achieving the goals a narrow group of people who want to take control of the property of the RAS in their own hands. Putin Fortova listened, nodded his head and even declared that the academic's opinion would be considered and used to create a unified concept of reform. However, in fact, as the representatives of the Russian Academy of Sciences themselves say, the general outline of the reform remained unchanged, and all the proposals of Fortov were either reformulated into language that was convenient for the Ministry of Education and Science, or were completely ignored. It turns out that either Forts did not convey his vision of the reform of the RAS to Putin, or Putin missed Fortov’s words past the ears, or Putin’s orders (if any, after the conversation between the President of Russia and the President of the RAS were altogether) were lowered on the brakes ...

The main incident of this whole situation with the reform of the Russian Academy of Sciences is not so much that the RAS are trying to reformat. There is probably nothing reprehensible in reformatting. Academicians themselves say this, realizing that today the effectiveness of scientific work in the country leaves much to be desired. There have not been truly impressive scientific breakthroughs in Russia for quite a long time. The main reformist incident is that the reform is actually not aimed either at stimulating scientific work itself, at attracting promising young people to science, or at developing scientific and technical potentials, or at increasing competitiveness in this strategically important industry for the state. The main idea of ​​reformers is to take control of the property of the Russian Academy of Sciences, to gain access to budget financing, declaring that academicians themselves, in terms of financial and property management, excuse me, their hands are not growing from that place ...

In order to convince the public and deputies that it is urgent to create another state agency that will “effectively manage” the property and finances of the academy, several materials were demonstrated on various channels about how instead of academic budget housing objects of elite real estate grow, in which apartments sold at astronomical prices. In order for an ordinary RAS scientist to purchase housing in these houses, he, as an option, “will have to” receive Nobel Prizes with enviable regularity ... Only now with the Nobel Prizes for domestic scientists recently, quite, let's say, dull ...

The films, obviously, were supposed to show the public how violently the corruption spread in the Russian Academy of Sciences, and how exorbitant appetites the heads and deputy heads of various departments have access to certain types of property. The Prosecutor General's Office has identified multi-million embezzlement and multiple transactions for the misuse of objects of the RAS. Vladimir Fortov announced reprimands to several high-ranking members of the academy, who, evidently, were interested in selfish interest with much more scientific interest, and who in the near future, besides reprimands, could expect criminal cases.

The public was indignant from what they saw: yes, these academicians need to be driven back! This gave the initiators of the reform a reason to feel like winners and to promote reform through Parliament with a new acceleration: they wanted to launch the draft law on reform right into the third reading: they say everything is clear - the academy is not an academy, but a thieves' colleague who needs to be reorganized ( Russian: to disperse) and take the property of the Russian Academy of Sciences under vigilant state control, making a sort of scientists from the Academy that will be spared from the need to manage the property.

And everything seems to be right: they do not know how to manage, to mean, to deprive the management functions, to give the reins of control to the hands of those who know how to do this, and those who managed to positively recommend themselves in this regard. But ... Unless in order to get rid of corrupt officials and management, as it is now fashionable to say, losers, do you need to reform the entire system built over decades? Could it be possible to go more correct and, obviously, in an effective way: identify the names (“passwords, appearances”) of the caught-up academy employees (if they really exist), send them to the dock, and put in their places those who are ready to work for Academy and national science, rolling up their sleeves. Is there really no such thing among the academy employees? .. Somehow it is hard to believe ...

Let's approach the consideration of the situation, let's say, from the other side. If the Academy, according to the Ministry of Education and Science, does not have “effective managers,” then what are the chances that they will be in the agency that they are trying hard to create today? Who will work at this agency? Again "displaced persons"? - well, those who yesterday, for example, were listed in the government, then successfully transferred to the presidential office, then to some state corporation, then to another cushy place ... Maybe Anatoly Eduardovich or Anatoly Borisovich will be assigned to manage academic property? But the country lacks “effective managers” ...

Is it possible that the awl will be changed again for soap? .. Apparently, there is some kind of sacred meaning for the reform ideologues in these styling-soap operations. And if this sense is purely to once again launch a paw, having gotten out that it is “badly lying”, then we have seen quite a few of such reforms lately. Do we need another reform of this nature? Obviously, there is no scientific (really scientific) community, no ordinary citizens - no, no state. Then who needs? Significant: someone ... After all, if the stars are lit, it means ... - further on, too, according to the classics.

By the way, the State Duma deputies decided to slightly reduce the agility to promote the draft law on the reform of the RAS. It was decided to return the document to the second reading and, finally, to discuss the amendments. Why the idea of ​​discussing proposals from the representatives of the RAS themselves had never occurred to the deputies - we can only guess. In general, the bill on the reform of the academy, which is more like a redistribution of property, was temporarily returned for revision. But for some reason there is a feeling that they will accept it anyway. The intensity of emotions will subside - and the “reform” will give someone the first fruits ...
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  1. Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 18 September 2013 07: 59
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    Well, the turn has come and the RAS - hehe, we expect the appearance of the next project, like SKOLKOVO.

    It is already possible to consider in advance the losses that RUSSIA will suffer as a result of these stupid reforms.
    1. Sibiryak
      Sibiryak 18 September 2013 08: 08
      +6
      Quote: Lech s ZATULINKI
      It is already possible to consider in advance the losses that RUSSIA will suffer as a result of these stupid reforms.

      The main thing is to redirect cash flows in the right direction, so for whom losses and for whom a fishing place (there are a lot of unrealized property in the RAS).
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 18 September 2013 09: 20
        19
        Quote: Author Volodin Alexey
        It turns out that either Fortov badly conveyed his vision of the RAS reform to Putin, or Putin missed Fortov’s words


        Of course the Forts. He is an academician, where can he have a vision of cutting the academy with his education?

        Member of the European Academy of Sciences (1998)
        member of the International Planetary Society (1996)
        Full member of the International Academy of Astronautics (2000)
        Full Member of the Max Planck Society (Academy of Sciences), Germany, (2000)
        Honorary Member of the American Physical Society (2001)
        Foreign Member, National Academy of Engineering (2002)
        Foreign Member of the National Academy of Sciences of Georgia (2002)
        Member of the Royal Academy of Engineering of Great Britain [8] (2003)
        Member of the Royal Swedish Academy of Engineering (2004)
        Professor Emeritus, Ben Gurion University, Israel, (2009)
        Visiting Professor, Department of Physics, Imperial College, (UK) 2009-2013
        Professor Emeritus of Frankfurt University (2010)
        Chairman of the Commission of the Russian Federation for UNESCO, 1998-2005
        Deputy Chairperson, International Scientific Council, UNESCO Foundation for Basic Sciences, 2005
        Member of the Advisory Scientific Council of the Skolkovo Innovation Center, 2010
        Mendeleev Reader - LXVI Mendeleev Readings (2010)

        In general, a complete sucker. Where is he up to the Minister for the Eradication of Sciences? That's what power and set
        In the 1990 year, Livanov graduated from the Moscow Institute of Steel and Alloys, qualifying as a metallurgical engineer with a degree in metal physics. After graduation, MISiS “worked abroad”, in which country he didn’t say, but learned not only English, but also acquired a persistent hatred of the Soviet system of organization of science and education. The fact is the minister’s father - Viktor Vladimirovich Livanov from August to December of the 1989 year studied at a business school organized on the basis of the University of Oklahoma, Ph.D. at the Brussels Academy of Information Sciences in general an apple from an apple tree
        1. Sunjar
          Sunjar 18 September 2013 10: 06
          +9
          Quote: Vadivak
          In general, a complete sucker. Where is he up to the Minister for the Eradication of Sciences? That's what power and set
          In the 1990 year, Livanov graduated from the Moscow Institute of Steel and Alloys, qualifying as a metallurgical engineer with a degree in metal physics. After graduation, MISiS “worked abroad”, in which country he didn’t say, but learned not only English, but also acquired a persistent hatred of the Soviet system of organization of science and education. The fact is the minister’s father - Viktor Vladimirovich Livanov from August to December of the 1989 year studied at a business school organized on the basis of the University of Oklahoma, Ph.D. at the Brussels Academy of Information Sciences in general an apple from an apple tree


          But scum climbed from all sides. It seems that they take top positions on the principle: you hate your people and your history, you hate the Soviet education system, culture, and in general everything related to Russian self-identity, then you are to us.
          I guess why these filths do not like the Soviet education system so much, because it was imprisoned for goals oriented towards the welfare of the people, and the foreign one was stuffing its belly, or just to satisfy its animal needs.
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 18 September 2013 11: 52
            +7
            All the bastards of karapuziki, dancing ended.


            On the morning of September 18, the State Duma rejected the proposal of the Socialist-Revolutionary and Communist deputies to withdraw from consideration the second reading of the bill on reform of the Russian Academy of Sciences. The initiators of the withdrawal said that they did not have time to familiarize themselves with the amendments and that there was no need for a rush in such an important issue. They also noted that agreements with academics were not reflected in the proposed amendments. 100 deputies voted for removal of the bill from consideration, 178 voted against.

            United Russia decided - reform to be! Saw the Academy.
            1. kris
              kris 18 September 2013 13: 03
              +4
              Quote: Vadivak
              United Russia has decided - to be a reform! Saw the Academy.

              "thank you" to everyone who voted for Putin !!!!!
              education, healthcare, science!
              What will be next in Putin’s plan for the collapse of the country?
              and it’s not in vain that they put Golikov in charge of the Accounts Chamber!
              1. alone
                alone 18 September 2013 20: 09
                +6
                Quote: kris
                and it’s not in vain that they put Golikov in charge of the Accounts Chamber!



                soon there will only be a counting room)))) they will sell the house and saw the loot wassat
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            3. old man54
              old man54 18 September 2013 17: 38
              +2
              Quote: Vadivak
              100 deputies voted for removal of the bill from consideration, 178 voted against. United Russia decided - there should be a reform! Academy saw

              that you can’t hear speeches on the branch, such as Putin did well, Putin will show everyone, Putin picked up the team what is needed ... Urya-patriots, where are you? Or stupidly minus will we? laughing
              1. alone
                alone 18 September 2013 20: 14
                +7
                Greetings Andrew! you know, I’m not a citizen of Russia, but who managed to get a USSR passport noticed one oddity! as soon as an article appears on the site about internal problems, Uryalkins and pro-government members of the forum have to look in the afternoon with lanterns. They have no reason to say anything in defense. Here they don’t go.
                and still. they are accustomed to writing only "hurray Putin, let power be good." They write this for the sake of + -ov.with such topics for such slogans they rivet their minuses oh mom don't goryuy.vot and don't write. hi
                1. GREAT RUSSIA
                  GREAT RUSSIA 18 September 2013 20: 26
                  +2
                  Quote: lonely
                  Greetings Andrew! you know, I’m not a citizen of Russia, but who managed to get a USSR passport noticed one oddity! as soon as an article appears on the site about internal problems, Uryalkins and pro-government members of the forum have to look in the afternoon with lanterns. They have no reason to say anything in defense. Here they don’t go.
                  and still. they are accustomed to writing only "hurray Putin, let power be good." They write this for the sake of + -ov.with such topics for such slogans they rivet their minuses oh mom don't goryuy.vot and don't write. hi

                  I agree. But here we have what remains of science being destroyed. Now we need purges with executions. You rob-shoot, killed him, stole-life, the only way. And this must be done in all departments.
                  1. tilovaykrisa
                    tilovaykrisa 18 September 2013 20: 38
                    +1
                    In many ways I agree with you, we need show trials but !!! This is the very "BUT" in that as soon as the repression machine is started it will no longer be stopped and the tower will even be given to the dentist for 500 rubles for double anesthesia. Yes, and no one canceled the fact that someone will start to curry favor like 10 ordinary ones under the vyshak I will let you down than the 1st minister, otherwise, God forbid, he will otmazhitsya and already let me down under the vyshak. (After all, who will do this? they have no faith yet)
                    1. GREAT RUSSIA
                      GREAT RUSSIA 18 September 2013 21: 08
                      +2
                      Whatever "But" happens, you need to check on the lie detector, if the one who works with the lie detector smears it off, then you need to shoot him. Brave people are needed.
                      1. tilovaykrisa
                        tilovaykrisa 18 September 2013 21: 13
                        +3
                        No offense, give up this youthful maximalism. We do not need brave people, we need cadres for they decide everything (not my words) and these cadres need to be educated and educated, and all the trouble with us is that no one does it because the cult of enrichment is broadcast everywhere.
                      2. GREAT RUSSIA
                        GREAT RUSSIA 18 September 2013 21: 53
                        +2
                        Yes, I myself am a young man, because I have this maximalism. Everyone thinks that this maximalism is not there. However, these cadres are good at the beginning. And then their corruption starts. This is of course money and power. I agree that education is necessary. And I agree that no one is engaged in education.
                      3. Che Guevara
                        Che Guevara 19 September 2013 08: 18
                        +1
                        tilovaykrisa
                        everything is very simple, Beria collected effective managers (the manager does not like the word) from the age of 37, I won’t write about the design bureaus, the oil and nuclear industries, everyone knows everything. But from the age of 53, Khrushchev and slime-eaters came to power. Slowly, managers were replaced by those who lick better. Believe in them (lizoblyudov) competition too. To date, the very best slimes have come to power, which lick so that even the holes in the ass are left. Therefore, the mace does not fly, the submarine does not dive, etc.
                    2. alone
                      alone 18 September 2013 21: 53
                      +4
                      Quote: GREAT RUSSIA
                      Whatever "But" happens, you need to check on the lie detector, if the one who works with the lie detector smears it off, then you need to shoot him. Brave people are needed.


                      think the one who works on the detector does not want to earn more than he earns 7 remembered the movie "beware of the car"

                      it is necessary to give to the investigator's paw!
                      - how, he doesn’t take it!
                      -it is necessary to give so much to take !!
              2. old man54
                old man54 18 September 2013 20: 39
                +2
                Quote: lonely
                Greetings Andrew!

                Greetings Omar! hi Glad to meet you!
              3. Russ69
                Russ69 18 September 2013 22: 14
                +2
                Quote: lonely
                they write such things for the sake of + -ov. with such topics for such slogans they rivet their minuses oh mom don’t cry.

                So far no one knows what will come of the reform.
                And how much you can scream forever, nothing works, they started to do something, again the guard. RAS today is a dummy, nothing new has been heard from there for a long time, unfortunately. Something with her had to be done for anyone.
                And let’s see what happens ... In any case, the controversy will continue for a long time, then something will be corrected. Sitting forever and waiting for what is also stupid.

                P.S. You can minus ....
                1. alone
                  alone 18 September 2013 22: 51
                  +2
                  I agree with you about the fact that you can’t sit and wait. That's right, you have to act. But reform doesn’t mean that you just have to ruin everything and throw it in a landfill, and then start everything from zero. There was science and education in the days of the USSR . I personally was very lucky that I studied under the Soviet Union. Believe me, it still helps a lot. The news was not bad, but now trying to change the educational system and stupidly introducing Western analogues we get that certain schoolchildren confuse the time of the beginning of the second world and the great patriotic.
                  P.P. I put the cons very rarely. Everyone has the right to their opinion. All the same, people are not robots. And they must think differently hi
                  1. Russ69
                    Russ69 19 September 2013 00: 30
                    +1
                    Quote: lonely
                    I agree with you about the fact that you can’t sit and wait. That's right, you have to act. But reform does not mean that you just have to ruin everything and throw it in a landfill, and then start all from zero.

                    Why from scratch? Such things as reorganization, reassignment and others occur constantly in all areas. Which of the most ardent critics read the new law? Most likely no one, all the info from common phrases, both opponents and supporters of reforms. My wife’s brother is engaged in science (something related to nuclear physics). He still spat about a year and a half ago toward the RAS and the law related to purchases. Maybe this is his opinion, there are others to prove something, I will not, who is right, who is not ...
                    I, in fact, lead the conversation that in addition to justified criticism of the authorities, there is much more criticism, for the sake of criticism. That mother of all, that science is, that all that is the achievements of the USSR. But, as soon as the movements begin to change something, then even more we begin to yell that everyone will be stolen and only for this they are up to.
                    There is no single opinion on this matter among the scientists themselves, so let them start doing something, in the process of work, on any amendments will be. You look something and it will turn out. in any case, real reasons will be visible and will appear, some shout "Glory to Putin", others
                    "Down with Putin" smile

                    Quote: lonely
                    P.P. I put the cons very rarely. Everyone has the right to their opinion. All the same, people are not robots. And they must think differently

                    What, I completely agree with you ... hi
                  2. ksan
                    ksan 19 September 2013 23: 05
                    0
                    lonely (1) AZ Yesterday, 22:51 PM ↑

                    I agree with you about the fact that you can’t sit and wait. That's right, you have to act. But reform does not mean that you just have to ruin everything and throw it in a landfill, and then start all from zero
                    And who proposes "to ruin everything and throw it in a landfill"? The academicians' amendments were accepted, and even more freedom in science was added. And all this howling goes only around the property. the personal feeding trough was taken away.
                    Lenta.ru Previously, academics have developed a number of amendments to the law on reform of the RAS. The head of the Academy, Vladimir Fortov, discussed these amendments with Russian President Vladimir Putin, and he approved them. How these amendments relate to those approved by the State Duma is unknown. Deputies assure that they took into account all the proposals of scientists.
                    And here's another topic
                    The head of VAK Filippov: the state has the right to ask for work efficiency

                    See the original material at http://www.interfax.ru/russia/txt.asp?id=329686
                    Chairman of the Higher Attestation Commission (VAK) Vladimir Filippov believes that nothing threatens Russian science with the adoption of the law. "The USSR Academy of Sciences did not have such a right to dispose of property - to sell land, lease, build houses on this land - without the permission of the state. And this made science in the Soviet Union no worse," Filippov said in an interview with the Russia 24 TV channel. on Wednesday.

                    He noted that the existing order was a necessary measure in the 90s of the last century, but now the situation has changed. “What we call autonomy is such an autonomy that developed spontaneously in the 90s, when Boris Nikolayevich (Yeltsin, the first president of the Russian Federation - IF) said: there is no money, take freedom and autonomy and earn money. But the situation is fundamentally has changed, and the state has the right to ask for the effectiveness of this work, "Filippov said.

                    See the original material at http://www.interfax.ru/russia/txt.asp?id=329686
                    hi
              4. ksan
                ksan 19 September 2013 22: 46
                0
                lonely (1) AZ Yesterday, 20:14 PM ↑

                Greetings Andrew! you know, I’m not a citizen of Russia, but who managed to get a USSR passport noticed one oddity! as soon as an article appears on the site about internal problems, Uryalkins and pro-government members of the forum have to look in the afternoon with lanterns. They have no reason to say anything in defense. Here they don’t go.
                and still. they are accustomed to writing only "hurray Putin, let power be good." They write this for the sake of + -ov.with such topics for such slogans they rivet their minuses oh mom don't goryuy.vot and don't write. hi
                Well, why do not they write? smile Here I am for Putin. smile And what should the president write the bill itself? smile
            4. ksan
              ksan 19 September 2013 22: 41
              -1
              old man54 (2) RU Yesterday, 17:38 ↑

              Quote: Vadivak
              100 deputies voted for removal of the bill from consideration, 178 voted against. United Russia decided - there should be a reform! Academy saw

              that you can’t hear speeches on the branch, such as Putin did well, Putin will show everyone, Putin picked up the team what is needed ... Urya-patriots, where are you? Or will we stupidly minus? laughing
              Well, they heard. PUTIN YOUNG! PUTIN THE BEST PRESIDENT IN THE WORLD! And if in essence: What terrible happened? Academicians (the most important) personal feeder selected? Academics themselves recognized that the RAS needs to be reformed for a long time, but for some reason they themselves could not offer anything. Or that academics did not have the brains to propose their reform project? It was necessary to wait for even more to offer Livanov?
      2. Fantomac
        Fantomac 18 September 2013 13: 52
        +6
        After such news, I want to brother for a weapon. Sick of all.
        1. old man54
          old man54 18 September 2013 17: 41
          +2
          Quote: Fantomac
          After such news, I want to brother for a weapon. Sick of all.

          it is necessary to prepare for an armed uprising for a long time, since 2009/2010, when the stabilization fund of the state-va homies "oligarchs" were given away, and not the economy of the country itself, the state, that is, supported! And Putin then, by the way, was a prime minister, and his protégé Dimon-iPhone was a prezik! angry
          1. Arabist
            Arabist 18 September 2013 17: 43
            +1
            And what will the armed uprisings lead to?
          2. matross
            matross 18 September 2013 20: 43
            +3
            Quote: old man54
            We must prepare for armed uprising for a long time.

            Are you ready? Or just without leaving your computer?
            The revolution, if it suddenly has to happen again in Russia, will be the last for all of us as a people. The country, plunged into chaos of civil strife, will be easy prey for all the many ill-wishers and temporary friends - from the former republics and gangs of rabid Islamists to "old" Europe, the United States and China. The path along which the president, so unloved by you, leads us, albeit stumbling, is the path of strengthening statehood, preserving Russia as a sovereign state, which is now becoming the only bulwark of reason and hope for justice in the world. I, like you, see many disgusting phenomena that arise along the sides of this path, the RAS is a vivid example of this, and no less than others I hate those who personify the world of "cuts and kickbacks", their names are known to everyone. However, the only way for us to influence the government, I still consider elections and raising civil consciousness.

            Sorry for the offtopic, did you finish high school in Soviet times?
            1. old man54
              old man54 18 September 2013 21: 16
              +2
              Quote: matRoss
              Are you ready? Or just without leaving your computer?

              Ready, but how did the computer bother you ?? This is a means of communication for me. Are you against Well then I’ll try a little less, well ... wink lol
              Quote: matRoss
              Sorry for the offtopic, did you finish high school in Soviet times?

              Yes, what are you, with my grandfather in the taiga studied, by candlelight, Maxim Fedorovich, but what? repeat How much can I care about you, my dear, "seven-spined in the forehead", such all civil and public, right up to it.
              Here on the branch all the examples of Libya, Tunisia, Egypt in recent years are cited, scared, TV agitation has seen enough, nevertheless, like "TV-shnik's bachelors of brainwashing", all are great. lol And here I like the example of Iran from the 1980 year, when the country perked up directly and the economy almost grew by 5 / 7%; or Cubes of 1955 of the year, and something that Cubans do not consider themselves unhappy at all (if the West would not have crushed them); or the same Belarus, where my personal friend who has been living in Minsk for 4 for a year now, says that it’s just like order and calmness in the USSR, only the shops have everything. But then you then behold the zombie man, and where am I, the sirom, to argue with such enlightened ones, forgive me! bully hi
              1. Arabist
                Arabist 18 September 2013 21: 22
                0
                Something I did not notice that in Belarus everything is in stores. Iran started the Iran-Iraq war in 1980. You want to arrange this cultural event too. Start keeping a video diary like in Syria as you fight the bloody totalitarian regime.
                1. old man54
                  old man54 18 September 2013 23: 47
                  +1
                  Quote: Arabist
                  The Iran-Iraq War began in 1980 in Iran. You want to arrange this cultural event too.

                  how tired I am of the superficial ignoramuses who think of themselves as professors, you would only know the colleague. I will not describe well-known things, since they still haven’t taken it, then ... hi
                  1. Arabist
                    Arabist 19 September 2013 14: 21
                    0
                    Yes, you yourself are intellectually no higher than a schoolboy. Should a person disagree with your only correct opinion, everyone is ignorant, and so on. And if I'm a professor, then what?
              2. matross
                matross 19 September 2013 08: 24
                +1
                Quote: old man54
                Cubans do not consider themselves miserable

                While Fidel is alive, their neighbors do not risk looking for human rights violations on Liberty Island. However, the resurgent military and economic cooperation with Putin's "thieves' regime" inspires some optimism. Have you been to Cuba?
                Quote: old man54
                or the same Belarus

                Why this example? Was there a revolution?
                Quote: old man54
                and where am I, the syroma, to argue with such enlightened ones, forgive me!

                I forgive you. Work on yourself wink smile
                And do not go overboard with a jerk ...
        2. ksan
          ksan 19 September 2013 22: 14
          -1
          Fantomac SU Yesterday, 13:52 ↑

          After such news, I want to brother for a weapon. Sick of all.
          And you read less muck and look at the media. And drink Novopassit at night hi
      3. alone
        alone 18 September 2013 20: 07
        +4
        Quote: Vadivak
        Livanov in 1990 graduated from the Moscow Institute of Steel and Alloys, qualifying as a metallurgical engineer with a degree in metal physics.


        Well, why are you scolding him like that? He studied metals alloys. Here and fuses science and education. What is interesting is how the metallurgist became the Minister of Education? And what clever man shoved him there?
        1. GREAT RUSSIA
          GREAT RUSSIA 18 September 2013 20: 28
          +1
          Quote: lonely
          Quote: Vadivak
          Livanov in 1990 graduated from the Moscow Institute of Steel and Alloys, qualifying as a metallurgical engineer with a degree in metal physics.


          Well, why are you scolding him like that? He studied metals alloys. Here and fuses science and education. What is interesting is how the metallurgist became the Minister of Education? And what clever man shoved him there?

          The same wise guy. Like humpbacked and drunk Yeltsin, Chubais, Serdyukov, Abramovich, Lebanon, etc.
    2. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 18 September 2013 10: 33
      +4
      This is probably the most important grain, plus why this Academy exists in no country where they are defeated. The Yankees have long decided who can adequately interfere with them in terms of the one and only. Even when the IMF gave loans, it clearly stated what was superfluous in Russia and what was needed to do, Name at least one idea and reform that gave impetus to the development of the country, In fact, no program prescribed under the guise of pills has yielded tangible results, while the biggest companies and concerns in America have won, Name at least one country in the world where the ICF and its pills gave the result, Alas, there are none. Last night I listened to the speech of the Chinese Premier in a recording at the DALIAN Economic Forum, he became famous and one of the largest in Asia, gathered guests from 90 countries, economists, sociologists and the largest companies in the world. He spoke about the situation in China and many things about which we are silent, For 5 years from the beginning of the crisis, he noted that they carefully watched the actions of many states, He noted that about many people invested state funds in short-term short projects two years on the strength of three years, the development results of those countries stopped or barely grew, China has invested in long-term projects now or two years later they expect the start of new production and production of which they never there wasn’t any product, whatever it was it was almost 30 years old, the slogan was thrown at it and the resources were running out, Now the slogan and the program are such Only quality products have real chances to move production, You see, I didn’t hear that our former finance minister is great as they call it here, There were a lot of surnames, but I don’t know them.
      1. Che Guevara
        Che Guevara 19 September 2013 08: 37
        0
        igor.borov775 RU
        That's right, Chineses, they have not listened to IMF advisers for 25 years, as far as I know they don't even have greenpeaces, not to mention other Geyrop funds. That's where the staff decides everything, they don't take bribes at all (I don't write about isolated cases)% 30 of our CIS businessmen transferred their business there, children study there, and most importantly, people began to go there for treatment. And you Livanov Livanov, a cool guy from lizunov "we will destroy everything to the ground" But the Chinese live quietly, tyryat everything that lies badly, and introduce it into production. Was 2 times in China, fuck turkey and egypt is not needed, cleanliness is order, rest for every taste.
    3. bereg
      bereg 18 September 2013 11: 19
      +2
      But are there academics, judging by Soltsov’s not, what they are doing, what is happening there is not who does not know but stubbornly intercede. if they are academics then let them become completely open. drew attention to the clock of this thief, not to mention the huts
      1. Uhe
        Uhe 18 September 2013 19: 47
        +2
        There is. And do not forget that the RAS, honey. and agricultural. ac. - This is not only academics, but also several hundred research institutes and other scientific and industrial institutions, tens of thousands of scientists. The authorities are attracted by undeveloped real estate, which can be sold by dispersing the remains of scientists.

        Believe me, the control over the work of scientists is now much tougher than in Soviet times, and this despite the fact that scientists pay a penny, they have to invest their own money, doing other things, then to hand over their scientific work, topic and more. For the most part, ascetics work. They beat him.

        Well. The Russian Federation does not need science, but the officials need even more money, so they will sell the property left over from the USSR, the money will be taken to their children abroad, and then they will be washed there themselves - the planes at private airfields are always "under steam", and the estates are located near these airfields.
  2. APASUS
    APASUS 18 September 2013 08: 17
    -2
    Quote: Lech s ZATULINKI
    It is already possible to consider in advance the losses that RUSSIA will suffer as a result of these stupid reforms.

    Judging by the number of copies broken in the press and on TV, academics sat down on the money needle not weakly!
    They have no time to engage in science, it can be safely viewed from basic research and the same discoveries. Which of the academicians received the Nobel from modern Russia ??
    1. Per se.
      Per se. 18 September 2013 08: 35
      13
      Quote: APASUS
      Which of the academicians received the Nobel from modern Russia ??
      Among academics, something has not bred billionaires, but those who like the property of the academy do not care about the development of science. When all morality is in profit, the idol is in money, and the meaning is in consumerism, it is doubtful to hope for real concern for science and scientists. Here, rather, a banal greed for "disappearing" scientific good.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 18 September 2013 09: 06
        +7
        Quote: Per se.
        Here, rather, a banal greed for "disappearing" scientific good.

        And what greed too! Several years ago, a deputy was shot dead. Head of NASU B.E. Paton, who was in charge of the property ... There was an investigation (no one was found), and in an interview with TV, when B.E. Paton was asked who could be interested, he replied: "It is difficult say. You understand, this is land ... this is property ... "
        And now they are also trying to reassign the Academy of Sciences of Agriculture to the Ministry of Education. So the "top" there raised such a howl - clearly understandable - the vineyards of the Crimea, experimental land plots, forests and hunting reserves, and so on, so on, so on.
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 18 September 2013 08: 58
      +7
      Quote: APASUS
      Which of the academicians received the Nobel from modern Russia ??

      I do not think that at present, Nobel is the criterion of achievement in science. Maybe there is something to give, so still they won’t give it! Europe s!
      1. Sibiryak
        Sibiryak 18 September 2013 09: 29
        +3
        Quote: Egoza
        Maybe there is something to give, so anyway they won’t! Europe s!

        In Europe, and without the Nobel, they give right and left, and the prize has been issued recently to outright liars.
        1. theadenter
          theadenter 18 September 2013 10: 12
          +1
          No one bothers not to take the Nobel Peace Prize seriously. There are other nominations, unlike much more useful ones - for their contribution to science.
      2. old man54
        old man54 18 September 2013 17: 44
        +2
        Quote: Egoza
        Quote: APASUS
        Which of the academicians received the Nobel from modern Russia ??

        I do not think that at present, Nobel is the criterion of achievement in science. Maybe there is something to give, so still they won’t give it! Europe s!

        You "+", and not one !! good
    3. Garrin
      Garrin 18 September 2013 09: 23
      +9
      Quote: APASUS

      Judging by the number of copies broken in the press and on TV, academics sat down on the money needle not weakly!

      Before Serdyukov was appointed minister of defense, they also broke "spears" in the press and on TV. Non-core assets, the need for outsourcing, etc. We can see how it all turned out.
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 18 September 2013 09: 30
        +4
        Quote: Garrin
        What everything has poured out, we see everything.


        As soon as the opportunity arises to sell something from the Soviet heritage, the right character is immediately appointed.
        The thing is that the land of the Russian Academy of Sciences is very expensive, elite houses have already been built there, rooms (the language doesn’t turn into apartments), which cost about a million dollars.

        According to the project proposed by Livanov, three state academies, including the Russian Academy of Sciences, will be liquidated and a public-state organization "Russian Academy of Sciences" will be created on their basis.

        In this case, the management of the property and institutions of the "old" RAS will be transferred to the new agency. That's all
      2. Uhe
        Uhe 18 September 2013 19: 53
        +3
        So the scheme is the same. This power is no longer fit. They "optimize" the whole of Russia and its Russian population according to the same scheme. RAS is a particular, in fact.
    4. Vadivak
      Vadivak 18 September 2013 09: 23
      +5
      Quote: APASUS
      Which of the academicians received the Nobel from modern Russia ??


      And who will give them? If Barack Hussein was given the Nobel for peace, then science will find its foreign Obama.
    5. bya965
      bya965 18 September 2013 09: 33
      +2
      Quote: APASUS
      from academics received the Nobel from modern Russia ??

      Nobel Prize, this is politics.
      taken from here http://www.drozdovland.ru/index.php?action=add&id=842&add&rod=592
      Who will remember the name of the first Nobel Prize winner in literature, who received it in December 1901, the French poet Rene Francois Arman Sully-Prudom. They do not know him, and they never really knew, even in his native France.
      And there are plenty of such dubious laureates in the ranks of the "Nobelists"! But at the same time Mark Twain, Emil Zola, Ibsen, Chekhov Oscar Wilde and, of course, Leo Tolstoy lived and worked!
    6. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 18 September 2013 11: 13
      +5
      The 0th number of scientists and the number of defenders protected, Yes, it’s correct what needle I can inquire as far as I know, many laboratories crossed there and the money and honor are a complete bummer, It went in full swing, funding and the like were closed, Very often instead of advertising Vesti = 24 shows short statistics and graphs that just showed about the Academy of Sciences, Briefly 90g the number of employees and the number of defended dissertations, There was a different country, but in 2012 we already surpassed that Academy in the number of defended dissertations, But this is not what I am talking about the president notes our scientists, designers and many others, And you saw what they invented or invented, It is unlikely that the industry is sharpened to the west and everything dampens from there to our developments, Sometimes our invention comes to the point of absurdity and our entire product goes there abroad and from there at a different price it is brought to us and goes with a bang, Is this a market and nucration is so redistribution there is no other word, And it is strange that none of ours showed interest, Yes, reform is needed, we are not that great country, in order to have such an Academy, somewhere it’s necessary to squeeze somewhere, on the contrary, increase funding, And the conversation is not only about redistribution is not here yet another Taburetkin graduate of the same Gaidar Academy is clearly visible, Only they have the right to engage in such matters, we have already seen the results more than once
    7. Russ69
      Russ69 18 September 2013 17: 58
      +1
      Quote: APASUS
      They have no time to engage in science, it can be safely viewed from basic research and the same discoveries. Which of the academicians received the Nobel from modern Russia ??

      Okay, still Nobel, so the proportion of scientific articles is only 1-2%.

      I will say so that for the reform it is not yet clear, but the fact that in recent times there has not been any result from the academy is also a fact. Although the money is also not frail mastered and traded real estate.
      1. rereture
        rereture 18 September 2013 18: 34
        0
        Amendment for the proportion of articles. First, our scientists do not print so often abroad. Second, very often when foreign scientists use the articles of our scientists in their works, they usually do not link to the original article or do not mention the author.
      2. igor.borov775
        igor.borov775 19 September 2013 10: 48
        0
        Dear, why did they give the State Prizes or just bought them, I don’t think, Our so-called market just spits on what our scientists offer, It seems to be more accurate, the state is also to blame, but you never wondered what Skolkovo had given except scandals , I remember how a magician Chubais showed new things to the highest officials of the state from his pocket with words, after some time everyone will see a hundred releases or finances Skolkovo, I remember how Deputy Chubais on television at a meeting with Mikhalkov shouted loudly that everyone would soon find out what they were doing, what 20 productions are already producing products, but the Accounts Chamber did not find 20 according to their accepted standards, but only 10 productions so who is wrong here, and here, by the way, the Accounts Chamber highlighted another figure, remember Ponomarev, just imagine how all our bureaucrats gasped, Read a lecture if you please get, He is a Deputy and uses all that is appropriate for such a person, Truth is not sickly, Where are we to those Asian whales whose economy gives outstanding sya results, We have our own way of mastering finances and building an economy, Their experience is not for us,
    8. Uhe
      Uhe 18 September 2013 19: 51
      +2
      You are lying, because apparently you do not know the real state of affairs. And I know, because I work in one research institute for the military commissariat, the research institute is part of the RAS system. Science is being sought in the Russian Federation, and the goal is the sale of real estate in which these research institutes are located.

      Zaputintsy amaze with their stupidity, unfortunately ... Even with the Russian language they have a tight.

      Abama received the Nobel. I think you yourself will understand what I'm hinting at? ;)

      And nobody has yet canceled the search: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CD%EE%E1%E5%EB%E5%E2%F1%EA%E8%E5_%EB%E0%F3%F0% E5% E
      0%F2%FB_%E8%E7_%D0%EE%F1%F1%E8%E8 .
  3. bodriy
    bodriy 18 September 2013 10: 57
    +6
    yet another cut ... The previous "effective manager" has not yet been imprisoned, so they are already looking for new ones ... all of their reforms sound so unconvincing as to find common sense in them ... I would like to find them, but how ?!
  4. AVV
    AVV 18 September 2013 12: 04
    +2
    Another redistribution of property !!! Such as Serdyukov enough! Take away property from some crooks, give it to others. And things are there now! We still need to see who cares about this even more? Gentlemen are stealing!
    1. NEMO
      NEMO 18 September 2013 15: 06
      +3
      Quote: AVV
      Steal gentlemen steal !!!

      Especially thanks to the author of the article, Volodin Alexei, very accurately collected all opposing opinions, the RAS needs to change the principles of work, but how ?? The author put the question very correctly, no one has a single "recipe", if everything is left as it is, then we will live in the last century with electric lamp TVs, because we are lagging behind the "wild west" in many respects, including through theft.
  5. starshina78
    starshina78 18 September 2013 19: 45
    +3
    The property of the Russian Academy of Sciences has long haunted the liberals. Finally - it happened! The law on reforming the RAS was adopted in two readings at once: in the second and third. Haste? sure ! God forbid ! The academics will convince Putin again, but she is done. Now the division will begin: “This is for you, this is for me, and so on!” And the fact that science will suffer, but who cares. The main thing is to snatch, more, fatter! Moderator! Do not forget to drive my comment into the "basement", otherwise they will suddenly start to add!
  6. ksan
    ksan 19 September 2013 22: 09
    0
    Lech from ZATULINKI RU Yesterday, 07:59

    Well, the turn has come and the RAS - hehe, we expect the appearance of the next project, like SKOLKOVO.

    It is already possible to consider in advance the losses that RUSSIA will suffer as a result of these stupid reforms.
    Dear, have you read the amendments that you made to the project on the RAS ?? Maybe you first need to read and then comment?
  • xetai9977
    xetai9977 18 September 2013 08: 15
    +4
    Another "field of activity" for amateurs will profit at someone else's expense.
  • Rash
    Rash 18 September 2013 08: 37
    +7
    As I understand it, the whole thing is in the ownership of the RAS, namely in the lease of space. For decades, RAS quietly rented its premises for rent (and oh, how many!) And somehow it lived on. A roof over your head, a piece of bread that still needs an aging person (decrepit RAS). Now the government wants to take the premises, to knock the soil out of the RAS’s feet, to drive it into a corner so that they can get down to business.
  • lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 18 September 2013 08: 38
    +1
    Video in the topic. If the facts are not distorted here, then reform cannot be delayed. Another thing is that our bureaucrats cleverly know how to completely destroy any good undertaking, if it affects their mercantile interests.
  • goldfinger
    goldfinger 18 September 2013 08: 43
    10
    From Belarus. Our prime minister threw a fishing tackle on the redistribution of property of the Belarusian Academy of Sciences in the past, but this summer the old man said that it’s worthless for cobblers to go into cooking. On the contrary, give scientists more preferences, but they themselves should spin. We, said, as we will not do in Russia. There will be no redistribution of scientific property in Belarus. But control will be appropriate. I think it is right.
    1. alone
      alone 18 September 2013 20: 17
      +4
      without science and education, no one will raise a country. This is an indisputable fact.
      1. GREAT RUSSIA
        GREAT RUSSIA 18 September 2013 20: 30
        +1
        Quote: lonely
        without science and education, no one will raise a country. This is an indisputable fact.

        Science is the basis of the foundations of the nation. And now teachers and scientists are being reduced. They are already few, and these bastards dare to further reduce them. To shoot them all.
    2. Che Guevara
      Che Guevara 19 September 2013 08: 45
      0
      goldfinger

      In the pancake, at least one smart president remained. Therefore, only Belarus has retained its union industrial potential, unlike other republics, and there is more order there.
  • Sunjar
    Sunjar 18 September 2013 08: 45
    +2
    The stump is clear that this reform is not really needed, and that thieves from the Ministry of Finance will manage a la Serdyukov-style. But the RAN members also have a stigma in the cannon, and indeed they have a circle of interests there, and someone unnecessary for them will not appear there. That is why there are no major achievements. Oh, yes, they write their doctoral and professorial dissertations on the basis of each other's developments and themselves, of course. It looks something like this: "I took the material from Doctor So-and-So, Professor So-and-So, I generalized the whole thing, wrote a little from myself. So here's my dissertation for you, give me a Doctor of Science or something else. some rank ".
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 18 September 2013 08: 51
    +2
    The state cannot be an effective manager, it can only be an individual person who is interested in development, not getting money, and certainly an "effective manager" cannot be a fat official in modern Russia, whose all thoughts are solely how to fill a wallet and belly, in the West Of course, sodomites are perverts alone, but science is at a high level. And why such indignation, you yourself chose this government and 107% of Russians voted for the party of crooks and thieves and Putin, so you support them, let's say, politics, so why are you indignant now?
    1. Lech from ZATULINKI
      Lech from ZATULINKI 18 September 2013 09: 01
      +2
      We had only a single person at the head of the DEFENSE-SERDYUKOV his last name (well, a very interested stool manager) that we all saw very well from this.
      1. Standard Oil
        Standard Oil 18 September 2013 09: 16
        +2
        Quote: Lech from ZATULINKI
        We had only a single person at the head of the DEFENSE-SERDYUKOV his last name (well, a very interested stool manager) that we all saw very well from this.

        Stop, stop, stop, Serdyukov is the same official appointed by the state, a person appointed from outside, who has not reached himself, and he is the same appointee as the canonical example that should be included in textbooks.
    2. Hitrovan07
      Hitrovan07 18 September 2013 09: 35
      +2
      In vain about 107%, I was in the elective commission in 2000, about 50-60% of the face value came on the site, the winner scored 51% (in our area) - so in fact FOR was about 30% of the face value.
  • parazit
    parazit 18 September 2013 09: 03
    +4
    Red-headed won over nanotechnology, and Taburetkin helps him to lead ... With such a tandem they will raise the nanowashing curve to the skies ... Here they should give the RAS slings, otherwise the appetites grow and the feeder doesn’t. Then science will definitely go uphill ...
  • Hulk
    Hulk 18 September 2013 09: 07
    +2
    The first 11 academicians of the St. Petersburg Academy were hired in Europe, and in total in the 111th century out of 78 academicians, 20 were foreigners. It is amazing how young the first Russian academics were: mathematicians L. Euler and D. Bernoulli at the time of arrival in Russia were 22 years old, historian F. Miller - 25, mechanics N. Bernoulli - 2008 (average age of an academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences in 74 is XNUMX years ) In Soviet times, in the development of Russian physics, Peter Kapitsa and Lev Landau, Enrico Fermi's student Bruno Pontecorvo, and hundreds of German physicists exported to the USSR after the war played a role.
    The problem is that the Academy consumes money under its glorious scientific past, giving nothing (almost nothing) in return. Academics are sitting in their offices, waiting for large orders for research. But there is no demand for research in the camp. To a large extent, Russia's industry is assembly production. And the scientific headquarters of assembly plants are located in Germany, America, Korea. They have their own science.
    Consequently, orders must be elbowed in the international market. And will the grandfather-academician fly 80–90 years old 2-3 times a week from Moscow to Beijing, and from there to Hamburg with Strasbourg. Old academicians need to be moved to the position of consultants, and something needs to be done with the Academy. Or with the Kremlin, which did not create its industry and let the collapse of what happened?
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 18 September 2013 09: 53
      +2
      Quote: Hulk
      And the scientific headquarters of assembly plants are located in Germany, America, Korea. They have their own science.


      You are either conscientiously mistaken or unfamiliar with the problem. Read at your leisure M. Thatcher - how we ruined the USSR.


      They have our science.

      Most Russian scientists who left the country after the collapse of the USSR were leading researchers at their universities and research institutes, as well as academicians of the Russian Academy of Sciences. Only from 1999 to 2004, 25 scientists left Russia, and 000 work annually under the system of contracts abroad.
  • nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 18 September 2013 09: 20
    +4
    I do not ask who Dmitry Livanov would be without his family, I ask how you can step on the same rake with "reforming", again nimble people strive to put their hands on property, I came across people from the academic environment and I am sure that they much more honest and think about business more than "successful managers".
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 18 September 2013 09: 54
      +4
      Quote: nov_tech.vrn
      who would Dmitry Livanov be without his family


      At best, I would trade galoshes in a tent.
  • Isk1984
    Isk1984 18 September 2013 09: 21
    +6
    Alferov Zhores Ivanovich, said that there is no interest in flashing in fundamental science, where results are possible after 10-20 years, everyone needs to grab and sell faster, plus the generally complete lack of support from the state in practice, not in words ...
  • rsv75
    rsv75 18 September 2013 09: 33
    +2
    The army was reformed, now science. There is a lot of land beneath them.
  • mak210
    mak210 18 September 2013 09: 38
    +9
    What did you want? The salary of a young specialist at the RAS is about 15 thousand rubles, all the equipment is riveted back under Khrushchev, the newest - under Brezhnev. Junk! Yes, they rent out premises just to survive. Most of the employees are noted and go to the left side jobs. The average age is 77 years, brains are floating away, but what do you want? Modern science requires large investments. And we have?

    The annual budget of the Russian Academy of Sciences is about 3 billion US dollars, the budget of Harvard University in the United States alone is 3,8 billion dollars, of universities and research centers with a budget of more than 1 billion dollars a year in the United States more than a hundred.

    At the same time, the dragging of funding began a long time ago. Skolkovo annually receives completely barren money laundering offices and receives 15–20 billion rubles a year, and Rusnano receives 30–50 billion rubles a year. Why did they create, build in the open field? Science cities are moving from bread to water, scamming all kinds of trash in the country, and there are specialists and buildings ready to stand.

    DAM conceived another initiative - to destroy the Academy, which has existed since 1724, entering the history of the world. Imagine: Peter 1 founded, destroyed Dima. Cool, yeah?

    No oligarchs are going to invest in science, not the breed, it’s better to buy the next Anzhi or build the largest yacht, because they got everything for free or through criminal fraud, and they can take it away. In science? Do not wait! On the other hand, there are no tax benefits, long money with our inflation ... And will there really be a way out? In science, such promises are made only by swindlers.

    In short: kirdyk RAS. DAM - well done! A true reformer!
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 18 September 2013 19: 58
      +4
      Quote: mak210
      DAM - well done!

      Of course well done. All that Great Putin cherishes and cherishes, this unexpectedly ripe iPhone puts under a knife. And when does it? Probably while the Sun-faced Siberian Crane grazes, pike catches or borsch with combine harvesters slurps. Damn, gentlemen, when you make DAM useless this extreme in all troubles, it seems that you are fulfilling an order to preserve the image of the guarantor. In another way, I can’t explain the replicated stupidity about Medvedev’s power.
  • Nitarius
    Nitarius 18 September 2013 09: 48
    +3
    Livanov’s team and him along with him --- we must begin to reform ourselves. To begin with, we will check all accounts beyond the BORDER. This LORD is not tied to the collapse of Russian science.
    HOW DOES THE PAWS FROM BOUGRA WERE NOT STRENGTHEN TO DESTROY our SCIENCE
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 18 September 2013 09: 56
      +4
      Quote: Nitarius
      Livanov’s team and him along with him --- we must begin to reform ourselves.


      It all starts with the election. And then there are reforms.
      1. old man54
        old man54 18 September 2013 17: 57
        +3
        Quote: Vadivak
        Quote: Nitarius
        Livanov’s team and him along with him --- we must begin to reform ourselves.

        It all starts with the election. And then there are reforms.

        Vadim, you’re not a stupid person, what are the choices ??? Do you think someone will allow for fair elections, let alone announce their true results ??? Especially if there is a high fidelity to all of this Kremlin liberalistic0Putino-Chubais cesspool to fly at them ?? laughing I laugh to the pain in life! Even if you imagine the unbelievable and such elections will be held, this company will fly by them and, by mistake, officially announce the results, then no one will give up the power evenly!
        1. Or they will find the most serious violations and the results will be canceled until the next re-election, which may not be (they will introduce a state of emergency, which they themselves will provoke);
        2. If the people rebel and take to the streets, try to crush him with the help of riot police and explosives, as has been many times in the periphery;
        3. If the protesters are very massive, then they will invite NATO troops or directly the United States, following the example of the intervention in 1918, to measure the "rabble" and protect their "legitimate" right to personal-looted property of the Russian Federation!
        Something like that! hi
        1. Arabist
          Arabist 18 September 2013 18: 21
          +1
          Do you seriously think that such an uprising is the way to happiness? An example of Tunisia, Egypt did not teach anything? The real revolution is kirdyk and a sea of ​​blood. And only sadists or nerds can play with it.
          1. old man54
            old man54 18 September 2013 19: 59
            +1
            Quote: Arabist
            And only sadists or cretins can play with this.

            real nerds, or maybe just rags in spirit (?), can sit at home and wait for the uncles themselves, who have been hatching for 10 years a plan to rob the country of the USSR, how to pocket all its wealth, which was created by all and many generations, and then get on the ears of all sorts of ... "not smart and very cowardly" people that everything is as it should be, that elections are the only possible solution to problems, that these elections, following the example of the Anglo-Saxon society they really decide something (like ") that everyone has equal rights to them, and so on! And such will of course believe and wait, wait" like a donkey Easter "for a bright future, but everything will get worse and worse, but on TV everything will be promise, lie and promise again, and they will all sit and hope ...
            And you, my dear, probably from the category of people who walk down the street and if they are attacked by thugs, take away their wallet or want to "feast on" your wife, then you will certainly prefer not to "mess with" them yourself, why, you can get a deadline , but you can also have personal injuries, right? Need to wait for help, or ask them to come to their senses, and right ?? wink
            1. Arabist
              Arabist 18 September 2013 20: 37
              +1
              Yes you. Can you prove it? And you go out right now, not at the computer. Put the bomb under the crab car, shoot Bortnikov. Destroy the country to the ground as after the revolution of 1917. Do you know what is the meaning of all revolutions? Those who can read come to those who cannot read and say it's time to change everything. The massacre begins. After it, they sit down at the negotiating table and it turns out that only those who can read are left. Make Russia Yemen, Libya. I do not wish success.
        2. Russ69
          Russ69 18 September 2013 18: 34
          0
          Quote: old man54
          2. If the people rebel and take to the streets, try to crush him with the help of riot police and explosives, as has been many times in the periphery;
          3. If the protesters are very massive, then they will invite NATO troops or directly the United States, following the example of the intervention in 1918, to measure the "rabble" and protect their "legitimate" right to personal-looted property of the Russian Federation!
          Something like that!

          It’s not worth the absurdity ...
        3. Vadivak
          Vadivak 18 September 2013 19: 59
          +2
          Quote: old man54
          Do you think someone will allow for fair elections, let alone announce their true results ???


          I participated in the election commission more than once and saw how representatives of the parties count the votes, even Stalin said that it doesn’t matter how they vote, it is important how they count - it is therefore important that representatives from parties be reliable, believe me. But in the villages with this very tight ....
          1. old man54
            old man54 19 September 2013 02: 43
            0
            Quote: Vadivak
            I participated in the election commission more than once and saw how party representatives count votes

            especially for you Vadim, because I find you a man far from lost, and therefore able to perceive logic, adequate criticism and think logically. Absolutely no sarcasm.
            Mikhail Delyagin, an outstanding economist and statistician, analyst, speaks clearly about you in our discussion.

            hi
        4. Botanologist
          Botanologist 18 September 2013 20: 06
          0
          Quote: old man54
          Do you think someone will allow for fair elections, let alone announce their true results ???


          How many times have you organized elections or participated in them "from within", are you our pumpkin expert?
          1. old man54
            old man54 18 September 2013 20: 19
            +1
            Quote: Botanologist
            And how many times have you organized or participated in elections "from within",

            But personally, it’s not right, but how much, are you our nerd ?? laughing But he participated in the Shataba candidate’s organizing committee, and so on, helped later, to control ... Well, what can you tell me besides the EP and TV propaganda?
            Quote: Botanologist
            expert you are our pumpkin

            took rudeness? There is nothing to argue? The fact that you are strong in botany seems to be from a nickname and so it is clear. In view of the fact that the Internet format does not allow personally responding to rudeness, I do not continue the dialogue with those (boors) !!
            1. Botanologist
              Botanologist 18 September 2013 21: 25
              0
              Quote: old man54
              But personally, he’s not understandable, but how much, are you our nerd?


              Well, a dozen or two.

              Quote: old man54
              he participated in deputies of the Shataba candidate’s steering committee, and so on, helped later, to control ... Well, what can you tell me besides the propaganda of EP and TV?


              The organizing committee of the candidate’s headquarters ... take off my hat wassat . to control ... WHO? Organizing? Or regionalists? supervisors wassat

              what can I tell you about the EP and TV campaign? FACTS, my friend, only FACTS, not myths that you repeat after the swamp hamsters and Ksyu Sobchak. If you already undertake to discuss with a clever air "as they think" - take the trouble to sit at the polling station at least once, be present at the counting of votes, take a copy of the protocol, and then check these figures for the GAS elections. And you will see that all your screams-snot are not worth a copper.
              As for the EP - I worked for this very party once. In principle, interesting. You cannot, like others, write on a T-shirt "against crooks and thieves" and portray yourself as such a fearless hero. You have to think.


              Quote: old man54
              There is nothing to argue?


              What arguments do you expect to hear?
      2. alone
        alone 18 September 2013 20: 21
        +4
        it all started with the tank on which they raised the EBN-a. it is a pity that there was no good grenade launcher)))
        1. old man54
          old man54 18 September 2013 20: 37
          +1
          Quote: lonely
          it all started with the tank on which they raised the EBN-a. it is a pity that there was no good grenade launcher)))

          no Omar, the tank and the Ural drunk on it, this is already the apogee, the final scene. everything began much earlier, smart people believe that after about 1972, when a number of people like the "botanist" in power grouped together and began to think how they could make the country's common property of the councils purely their own, private property, then steal it all behind the cordon and get high there. And since then they have gradually carried out their plan ...
          1. igor.borov775
            igor.borov775 19 September 2013 11: 18
            +1
            You are mistaken as far back as 1968. Che Guevara already saw this feature of our government during the visit. He spoke to Fidel about it but he was silent, But remember, we instantly screamed about the revisionists, So we knew about the conversation between Che and Fidel, We just didn’t see it,
            1. old man54
              old man54 19 September 2013 22: 13
              0
              Quote: igor.borov775
              You are still mistaken 1968 the year Che Guevara already saw this feature of our government during the visit He spoke to Fidel about it but he was silent

              very interesting, never heard of it !! And where can I read it? thanks for the info. good
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  • Hulk
    Hulk 18 September 2013 10: 13
    +2
    Quote: Vadivak
    You are either conscientiously mistaken or unfamiliar with the problem.

    It seems that I conscientiously know the problem, unlike my opponent. By profession, I visit automobile enterprises and manufacturers of automotive components (all of foreign origin). I know that design bureaus and, accordingly, scientific departments are located, I list by countries: Germany, Germany, Sweden, Japan, France, China, Canada. Germany 2 times because 2 different enterprises. This is only the car industry. I do not think that the Finns in the woodworking industry or Lg in electronic behave differently.
    Quote: Vadivak
    They have our science.

    You have confused science with scientists. Science is an industry. Institutions with material support, a well-organized process, qualified personnel (the natives of their Russia really work here), a wholesome environment and result.
    That they leave, so the country still does not need them. You can’t feed your family for 15-20 thousand rubles, but if you invent something, the signature of the inventors will only be in 3rd place after the head of the institution and the head of scientific work.
    And now, not only scientists are leaving. A generation of simple English-speaking engineers is growing up. They also do not want to stay in the country.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 18 September 2013 10: 46
      +6
      Quote: Hulk
      I do not think that the Finns in the woodworking industry or Lg in electronic behave differently.


      What does the RAS have to do with it? This is a fundamental science that has nothing to do with logging.

      Quote: Hulk
      That they leave, so the country still does not need them.


      Mistake, authorities are not needed. If you are not in the know,

      According to UN experts, leaving a person with a higher education abroad causes damage to the country in the amount of 300 to 800 thousand dollars. According to the rector of Moscow State University, Moscow University spends up to 400 thousand dollars to train one world-class specialist. A brain drain costs our country $ 25 billion annually.
      According to the scientist Yu. A. Lisovsky, today almost a quarter of the American high-tech industry rests on immigrants from Russia.

      This is not what I came up with, these are facts.
  • forester
    forester 18 September 2013 10: 14
    +3
    I have long been associated with the word ref0rma embezzlement
  • theadenter
    theadenter 18 September 2013 10: 24
    +2
    Putin needs loyal, authoritative people in the government. Their influence and authority makes it possible to keep the people, regions and, oddly enough, the government itself, in their different layers. So that they do not become covered with cracks and do not fall apart. That is why the State Duma is so motley and has a bunch of lay people. However, impudent and lay people lie in almost every layer of the government. For sure, Putin has a difficult time managing such a zoo.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 18 September 2013 10: 59
      +5
      Quote: theadenter
      For sure, Putin has a difficult time managing such a zoo.


      Zoo? I would say Serpentarium. That's just there is no serpent.
  • morpogr
    morpogr 18 September 2013 10: 27
    +3
    The scientific industry needs to be more closely connected with production so that the scientific discovery immediately goes into production and makes a profit, as well as ahead of competitors. Accordingly, the money content should go to those who embody it both in ideas and in metal.
  • Horla
    Horla 18 September 2013 10: 37
    +3
    Article plus. Unfortunately, as history shows, the existing bureaucracy of our country thinks only of its pockets. Tell me what reforms carried out in our country have benefited ordinary people or the state? Correct, none. What happened to the army, science, education, the economy, medical services, and utilities? Gentlemen officials! When will you get drunk?
  • Ivan_Ivanov
    Ivan_Ivanov 18 September 2013 10: 41
    +1
    if liberal media, Western influence agents (journalists, bloggers and other figures) shout that something is being done wrong, then everything is being done right.
  • Hulk
    Hulk 18 September 2013 11: 43
    +6
    Quote: Vadivak
    What does it have to do with ? This is a fundamental science that has nothing to do with logging.

    Are you sure that RAS is only basic research? Yah!
    And the Institute of Petroleum Chemistry SB RAS?
    And the Institute of Economics of the Russian Academy of Sciences is part of the Economics Section of the Department of Social Sciences of the Russian Academy of Sciences
    I can list for a long time.
    Quote: Vadivak
    Mistake, authorities are not needed. If you are not in the know,

    And what does the government order research? You are mistaken! The country does not have its own industry, so scientists are not needed. If there were no planes, flight attendants would not be needed. I hope to explain it simply.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 18 September 2013 12: 16
      +2
      Quote: Hulk
      And what does the government order research?

      Sorry question to question lol
      And what does RAS exist in the virtual world? In isolation from the state?
      Quote: Hulk
      Are you sure that RAS is only basic research?


      The main task of the Russian Academy of Sciences is "to conduct fundamental and exploratory research funded from the budget, participate in the development and approval of the program of fundamental research in the Russian Federation for a long-term period.


      Quote: Hulk
      And the Institute of Petroleum Chemistry SB RAS?


      Institute of Oil and Gas Problems RAS

      - a priority in basic research

      "Sedimentary basins and their resource potential, fundamental problems of geology and geochemistry of oil and gas"
  • smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 18 September 2013 12: 05
    +9
    Somehow like this...

    Yours! hi
  • Ivan_Ivanov
    Ivan_Ivanov 18 September 2013 12: 14
    +2
    The structure of the RAS includes about 500 people. About 000 people came out to demonstrate against the reform of the RAS in Moscow.

    What does this mean?
    1. mak210
      mak210 18 September 2013 13: 25
      0
      Doesn't say anything. In Ukraine, it is possible in a different way, but in our country no one wants to get involved with the riot police (a quote from the meeting on the Bolotnaya case: “We were ready to carry out any order.” What is this - to shoot to kill? Unarmed? For rations and housing in Moscow? Where are they recruiting?). The rally was unauthorized, so it was possible to grab and drag. Then they put them in jail, like the guys from Bolotnaya (I'm not their supporter, but the answer is inadequate) and they will sit for the second year. At the age of 77, I was reluctant to fell trees. And no one believes in the effectiveness of such gatherings. Has the same Bolotnaya achieved anything other than criminal cases? Nobody cares about the opinion of the population. Neither they nor their children are going to live here.
      1. Ivan_Ivanov
        Ivan_Ivanov 18 September 2013 13: 34
        +2
        Do you want to prove that our academics and scientists, cowards and also demented ones, cannot apply for a rally? I strongly disagree with you!

        no one wants to get involved with the scumbags from the riot police (quote from the meeting on the Bolotnaya case: “We were ready to carry out any order.” What is that - shoot to kill? They don't follow the bazaar at all) ... put them in prison like the guys from Bolotnaya ...

        Do you want a repetition of the Egyptian, Libyan, Syrian scripts and the year 1905 in Russia?
        Those who throw asphalt at representatives of state law enforcement agencies must respond in all severity, otherwise you will repeat the Ukrainian scenario, an orange coup will take place, organized and sponsored by amers. Do you want that?
        1. mak210
          mak210 18 September 2013 15: 43
          +1
          Could-could not know. It is a fact that the rally was unauthorized, and they have already seen how they end. There will be no orange coup in Russia; both of these are disgusting to us. Rather, the bikers will come to Manezh, than the opposition will entice us with something.

          Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
          Those who throw asphalt at representatives of state law enforcement bodies must respond with all severity


          Obviously you are not in the subject. For flipping a plastic toilet - two years in a pre-trial detention center - is this normal? I repeat once again that I am not a supporter of the opposition, the same fattened faces, only bypassed when dividing. But 15 days for this is quite. In addition, it seems that the first ones caught were seized, since riot policemen could not identify anyone. In general, it is not clear why these identifications do not go immediately after the events, but a year later. And the second year in one cell with killers and pedophiles is a bust.
      2. Russ69
        Russ69 18 September 2013 18: 41
        +1
        Quote: mak210
        Iting was unauthorized, so you could grab and drag.

        Any unauthorized rallies will be dispersed throughout the world. Moreover, their rigidity is several times higher than our riot police.
        1. Arabist
          Arabist 18 September 2013 18: 44
          0
          I support, see how the riots in the Gulf countries are suppressed.
    2. nov_tech.vrn
      nov_tech.vrn 18 September 2013 15: 48
      0
      Vanya under the bench, consider your academics, you still have to get shale gas and calculate the overpayment from EU aid, so hope for a warming climate to winter without pants and heating.
      1. Ivan_Ivanov
        Ivan_Ivanov 18 September 2013 15: 56
        +2
        We stir up ethnic hatred ... Well, well. Only this is what the enemies of Russia need. You work for them. Let me ask: consciously, or by simplicity of mind?
  • Internal combustion engine
    Internal combustion engine 18 September 2013 12: 20
    -8
    In many ways I do not agree with Putin, but I fully agree with his position on Russian science. We do not need science at all. We have a lot of oil and gas, and selling them abroad, you can live happily ever after. Goods and food can be purchased in China and Germany. Therefore, Putin is right - the RAS must be eliminated, scientists should be sent abroad to whom and sent to work by physical labor, for example, to clean soaked toilets.
    1. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 18 September 2013 12: 23
      0
      The cat left the kittens - Putin is to blame ... (c)
      1. Ivan_Ivanov
        Ivan_Ivanov 18 September 2013 15: 12
        +3
        The state is a people plus power.
        When one of the components begins to quarrel with the other, the country perishes, the state collapses. Therefore, the task of the external “partner” is always the same - to quarrel the people with the authorities. And it doesn’t matter what the existing power is - it will always be bad. Remember our story: “rotten tsarism”, “bloody Stalinist regime”, “period of stagnation”, “power of party nomenclature”.
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 18 September 2013 20: 03
      +2
      Quote: ICE
      We have a lot of oil and gas, and selling them abroad, you can live happily ever after.


      I do not want to be an engineer
      I do not want to be a combiner
      I want to be a shareholder
      Gazprom ".

      I do not want to be a surveyor
      I do not want to be a fashion designer
      I want to be a shareholder
      Gazprom
  • vvvvv
    vvvvv 18 September 2013 13: 56
    +4
    I believe that the RAS should be reformed, if not more. There, as in many other areas, for decades there has been a corruption brawl ... Everyone knows who the topic is. But, many are welded from this, and therefore keep quiet or against reform. I do not presume to give assessments and say anything about the true goals of the reform and the possible good or bad consequences. However, it is corruption that most often does not need any changes. You can’t defend any dissertation without help, apart from other things.
    And so that all the "holy places" can be occupied by dubious scientists-old men and intelligent people cannot get through them - this is the case everywhere.
    1. Mareman Vasilich
      Mareman Vasilich 18 September 2013 15: 31
      +1
      If only it were so. But with these reforms, the country will be left without science, because all the reforms carried out in the country, as experience says, only led to deterioration. Therefore, all these reforms are dust on the eyes, supposedly the government is working, in fact, if the government had said goodbye, it would have been irresponsible and impunity, then reforms are not needed. Well, I can’t believe the authorities, looking at what is happening in the country.
  • Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 18 September 2013 15: 27
    0
    Well, and where, one wonders, is the government looking?
    1. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 18 September 2013 15: 35
      -1
      The state is a people plus power.
      When one of the components begins to quarrel with the other, the country perishes, the state collapses. Therefore, the task of the external “partner” is always the same - to quarrel the people with the authorities. And it doesn’t matter what the existing power is - it will always be bad. Remember our story: “rotten tsarism”, “bloody Stalinist regime”, “period of stagnation”, “power of party nomenclature”.
      It is very effective to fan hostility under the guise of, as if on behalf of the great and respected ruler of the state.
      1. Mareman Vasilich
        Mareman Vasilich 18 September 2013 16: 16
        +1
        Why don't you select the text and write the author? And what you wrote is a double-edged sword.
        1. Ivan_Ivanov
          Ivan_Ivanov 18 September 2013 16: 26
          +1
          Is this fundamentally important?
      2. Karabin
        Karabin 18 September 2013 21: 00
        -1
        Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
        The state is a people plus power.

        State = people + power,
        Power = State - People
        or
        People = State - power.
        Something you do not converge.
  • pensioner
    pensioner 18 September 2013 16: 24
    +1
    What will happen with the reform of the RAS? But the criminal manifestations of abuse at the Academy must be dealt with in the most merciless way. Lately on TV, so many things about deeds with the property of the Russian Academy of Sciences have shown that ... There are no words. Theft in science is the most cynical form of theft. Along with theft of children and the elderly.
    1. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 19 September 2013 11: 38
      0
      And what do you think, Another Taburetkin is being prepared with a complete amnesty, we’ll act with you, I ask you not to be indignant anymore, otherwise you’ll be hit by such a film about you as the main embezzler, it never surprises you that everything is done just for voting. we’ll be surprised how it happened, One turned out Shoigu is trying to collect at least crumbs, Still we need to know our new laws that the chief lawyer got there according to these laws tip-top
    2. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 19 September 2013 11: 42
      0
      Before rushing with these words, you need to know the situation from the inside, Something high-profile litigation is not against the scientific community, But against government officials you can’t just make mistakes,
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 18 September 2013 17: 26
    0
    The bureaucracy of Russia decided to take over huge state funds allocated to science. According to this bureaucracy, academics are misusing these funds. Yesterday's troyes, and today's "successful managers" will quickly find use for this money. True, small streams will flow into science. And then, as a result of the reform of the Academy of Sciences, Russian science will have a "paragraph"! Everything goes to this. How much talk was about Skolkovo. They gave this project to officials, Chubais. So what? Huge money spent, and the result is zilch! The same zilch will be with the Russian Academy of Sciences ...
    1. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 18 September 2013 17: 42
      0
      But is it not government officials who manage the state structure called RAS?
      1. igor.borov775
        igor.borov775 19 September 2013 11: 45
        0
        Here, there is a stone there, scientists participated in the nonsense, they are nuts, and we ourselves can solve everything for them,
  • tank64rus
    tank64rus 18 September 2013 17: 54
    +1
    The gang spent money on the Canary Islands, they need money, at the same time they need to work out a foreign order so that the acquired "back-breaking labor" was where to put it.
    1. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 19 September 2013 12: 36
      +1
      Some time ago, right after the May Holidays at the TVC in the RUSSIAN QUESTION program, a program was fully devoted to economists and their place in New Russia, the program was interesting live there were many guests, experts from government agencies from the Russian Academy, however, they were busy, There there were a lot of people not only Muscovites, They said it was interesting, but I caught one thought that was constantly present there. It turns out that any law can be used to accurately or almost exactly by economic methods to find out what will happen in the end, not immediately, but in a few years. When someone leads you to a question advised they looked at the presenter as a patient, Yes, the authorities are not even interested in it, And they explained that under the Government there is such a structure as the Gaidar Academy of Economics and only they can advise to give an expert opinion, And then the following question; It means that both Academic institutions and Universities are not very strong economists. There was such silence that the host had to turn the conversation about financing Science, But he sat and thought what an interesting system of power was built up, If she doesn’t hear the scientists remember us only when some kind of trouble breaks out But now I know for sure who moves the Taburetins and you can only guess how many are there,
  • denn
    denn 18 September 2013 18: 25
    +1
    In Russia, anti-people’s power has been lingering for a long time, since 1991. Until the people say their word and tell the current government who is the boss, the Livanov-Kudrins, etc. will fulfill the will of overseas owners to further eliminate the country. The people are still dozing. Now there is a good chance to squeeze out vrazhin with the help of statesmen led by Putin. Without statists - only a bloody revolution.

    Purely my opinion.

    ps September 21 with the activity of the patriots held MARCH OF Emancipation. Details on rusnod.ru. Join now.
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 18 September 2013 20: 47
      0
      Quote: denn
      In Russia, the anti-people’s power has been lingering for a long time, since 1991 ..

      Quote: denn
      Livanov-Kudrins, etc. will fulfill the will of overseas owners

      Quote: denn
      led by Putin

      So more real than a "good chance"
  • Albert1988
    Albert1988 18 September 2013 18: 57
    +2
    Here the author of the article is surprised why the deputies did not consider the proposals of the scientists themselves? There was recently such a story - a law was introduced a couple of years ago that obliges scientists to absolutely all consumables - reagents, stationery, even toilet paper to buy at tenders! Naturally, at tenders you can buy only the full city, but, yes, they are drawn up for half a year. Here IT was a blow to our science, which really at first completely paralyzed the work of many institutions across the country! Then a wave of protest arose, and we at Moscow State University created the so-called initiative group - a group of young scientists who made their way specifically to the ministry to demand changes. They made it: for the first time in the ministry they saw scientists live! these same officials didn’t even know how these scientists look, how they work, what problems they have, etc. What are we talking about deputies, if this is happening in the relevant ministry! As a result, the law was a little corrected, it became a little easier, but still the situation has not fundamentally improved, alas.
    As for the current reform, here I am, at least, in confusion - one of the professors shouts "guard, everything is gone," and someone, on the contrary, says that the bill has been changed, now everything will be chiki-picks, grabbers from the number of academicians will be pinched, etc. There is no unity among the scientists themselves - someone does not want to lose the "feeding trough", and someone hopes that after the reform, normal money will go to his area, because the "feeding" will be squeezed.
    So alas, apparently we’ll have to continue to demand that scientists be listened to and hoped that they would nevertheless hear ...
  • Kyrgyz
    Kyrgyz 18 September 2013 19: 39
    -1
    I think that the attacks on the RAS are correct, this organization has lost its professional position in the world and is cutting cabbage from property exploitation, not all of course, but the disease is no longer operable, the RAS is unnecessary its authority is low, everything needs to be done anew, everything has rotted there and no support. A sort of thing in itself, a useless symbol of the past, it needs to be changed.
    1. Uhe
      Uhe 18 September 2013 19: 58
      +1
      Please give examples in numbers of "cutting cabbage". And for now I will give you an example of the salary of an employee of a research institute for state. rates:
      Head lab. - 14000 p. (full rate);
      Art. scientific al. - 4000 p. (part-time);
      scientific al. - 3000 p. (part time). By the way, they don’t take full money, so they go for two bets. Well, work is required in full, and control over execution is very tight, tougher than in Soviet times, when people paid money and at least felt like people, not cattle for slaughter in the interests of bureaucrats.

      Now tell me who cuts the cabbage, how many academicians have private property, and how much private property this scientist has.

      To the legitimate question: "What do people live on?", I will answer: "they work in several jobs (up to the" bombilov "), combining earnings on the side with a truly scientific work in the scientific research institute. who love their job - science, and there are not so few of them yet, but soon they will be completely destroyed ".

      It's a pity, you can't swear at such "Kirghiz" here>: - /
      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 18 September 2013 21: 29
        +3
        Perhaps I will not give numbers in numbers, but I will give a concrete example: in the mid-90s, the Biofak of Moscow State University leased some areas of one of the buildings to a certain respected Academician N, for the organization of scientific work on these areas, Academician N subleased these areas to his son, who placed there many offices of shell companies, through which he began to conduct financial fraud (at one time they even printed fake excise taxes on vodka at night). When the staff and management of the faculty began to contact the academy with requests to evict the academician's son (he himself did not want to leave), Academician N himself immediately surfaced and began to rant that his son was engaged in "big science" and there was no need to run into him, ranting he backed up with compelling arguments in the form of round sums deposited into the right pockets of the right people, both from their academy and from the university ... Is it worth adding that the rent for these areas at the university was not seen at all for the entire lease term?
        And only now, when they decided to give part of these areas to a new laboratory, some of the academician’s firms were evicted, the truth was expelled for about 3 years, with the police and all the escorts.
        The police generally often knocked on the closed doors of these offices, though no one was there. A couple of times even a Caucasian brother-in-law came, almost with trunks, though no one discovered this either, but we were really scared.
        So, this is how many academics promote "big science", however ...
  • Hulk
    Hulk 18 September 2013 20: 09
    +1
    Quote: Kyrgyz
    I think that the attacks on the RAS are correct, this organization has lost its professional position in the world and is cutting cabbage from property exploitation, not all of course, but the disease is no longer operable, the RAS is unnecessary its authority is low, everything needs to be done anew, everything has rotted there and no support. A sort of thing in itself, a useless symbol of the past, it needs to be changed.

    I agree.

    Quote: Uhe
    Please give examples in numbers of "cutting cabbage". And for now I will give you an example of the salary of an employee of a research institute for state. rates:
    Head lab. - 14000 p. (full rate);
    Art. scientific al. - 4000 p. (part-time);
    scientific al. - 3000 p. (part time). By the way, they don’t take full money, so they go for two bets. Well, work is required in full, and control over execution is very tight, tougher than in Soviet times, when people paid money and at least felt like people, not cattle for slaughter in the interests of bureaucrats.

    Now tell me who cuts the cabbage, how many academicians have private property, and how much private property this scientist has.

    And what zaglabami or senior n.workers rent premises? So when you flip through the bulgagter balance, then you will understand something. Who and how much chop cabbage.
  • GREAT RUSSIA
    GREAT RUSSIA 18 September 2013 20: 23
    +2
    RAS. This is not the same great Academy of Sciences that had no equal in the world. Alas, it was the golden time of the USSR. And now such bastards as Lebanons and Serdyukov are robbing. Livanov now decided as Serdyukov to destroy the science of RUSSIA (more precisely, that from he was left). In China, they execute for this, and here they are passing by as witnesses. In the USSR, they would have shot him indiscriminately for that. They destroy the foundation of the foundations-science.
  • Panikovsky
    Panikovsky 18 September 2013 20: 44
    0
    but our siteers love to wake up in the morning, spank silly comments, and get a virtual star for a virtual shoulder strap. It turns out that not so simple. academicians. these esteemed people also have ugly ducklings children, sick relatives, and a summer house with a Mercedes, too, they seem to have earned, but they don’t hand it in, but they earned it, academician zhezh! it turns out that uv. academics, like everyone who is not subject to anyone, are stolen. therefore, let them engage exclusively in science.
  • Volkhov
    Volkhov 18 September 2013 21: 05
    -2
    If you watch television, you might notice the fashion for black ties in government - mourning for various mobile and stationary objects - that is, the fleet and missiles are helpless in reality, but the RAS fought pseudoscience and held a monopoly ... their dispersal is similar to Yakovlev’s resignation, when all over the world aircraft are jet and in the USSR wooden, only now the finish is complete. This academy is not a science, but a sedimentation tank of the older Masons, who led the younger ruling group, plunging them headlong into reality, now the furious, flowing youth and dispersed the almshouse.
    The government will have to give out about 4000 funerals for people whom technology failed - any academician defender will quickly re-educate himself in such work.
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  • Panikovsky
    Panikovsky 18 September 2013 21: 46
    +1
    hey guys. I'm a pro-Putin Ukrainian. I love Russia so much that I cannot express and put it in words. By the way, Yangel Russian, Antonov-Russian, even Paton, and that Russian
  • Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 18 September 2013 21: 58
    +2
    Reform again ...
    And what, is there any of those present who believe in a happy ending ??
    Based on the results of all previous projects, I can most likely assume
    it’s time for our science to die ... or ordered to die.
    What's next in line? What other root can be cut so that Russia collapses?
    You know, I would have hoped for something if the professionals were at the helm. Alas and ah ...
  • Karabin
    Karabin 18 September 2013 23: 35
    +2
    Quote: Samsebenum
    What's next in line? What else root to chop

    I thought about your question. It seems, from the significant, there is nothing more to cut. Although you can go in the second and third rounds. Well, for sure.
    1. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 19 September 2013 12: 48
      -1
      There’s nothing and how much more good is buried in the land. Not everything has been sold yet. Sales have been announced and the railway can be bought. There is still good. You just don’t see well and they see well,
  • Koronik
    Koronik 19 September 2013 05: 44
    +1
    Ladies and gentlemen! It is not necessary to bury our science, it must be engaged in its scientific work. And she needs reform.
  • schta
    schta 20 September 2013 15: 45
    0
    Not everything is so simple with this reform. I understand Putin's global plan in "purging the clogged up" RAS. The current situation at the Academy requires a change. Corruption in the RAS has reached incredible proportions. Violations are everywhere. This is not good. This needs to be fixed.