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Islands of contention

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Last Monday, two Chinese military frigates passed a hundred kilometers from the Senkaku Islands (they are Diaoyu Dao), the same ones that visited the area in August. The zone of the islands on the same day circled the UAV. On Tuesday morning, seven PRC patrol ships appeared at once near Senkak. Later he came up to the eighth. In the press, such a “call” of the maritime police was called the “most widespread”. Japan found the answer: it announced its intention to deploy state employees on Senkaku. And on Saturday, four ships of the Naval Forces of the Celestial Empire again visited the waters of the disputed islands.


As Maxim Makarychev writes ("Russian newspaper"), Tokyo expressed a protest to China in connection with the appearance of patrol ships in the area of ​​disputed islands. Also, a representative of the Japanese government said that Japan "could establish a small station on the islands, where a certain number of civil servants would work in order to protect their sovereignty." The Secretary General of the Cabinet Yoshide Suga expressed "deep regret" at the fact that the Chinese ships repeatedly entered "the territorial waters of Japan."

Exactly one year ago, the Japanese government bought three islands from a private owner. Exchange of "gifts" came to the day of the nationalization of the disputed islands. Relations between Beijing and Tokyo are experiencing the peak of the "ice age", said Viktor Fedorov ("Voice of Russia"), precisely because of the island dispute.

And the ice did not melt 5 September at the G20 summit in St. Petersburg, where they met the Chairman of the PRC Xi Jinping and Prime Minister Shinzo Abe.

Valery Kistanov, an expert at the Institute of Far Eastern Studies of the Russian Academy of Sciences, says:

“Both countries are building up their armed forces, competing in an arms race. China is building aircraft carriers, Japan is building helicopter carriers, which can potentially be converted into aircraft carriers. Japan this year is going to review the main directions of defense policy and pacifist articles of the constitution, taking into account the so-called Chinese threat. Recently, white books on defense were published in China and Japan. The parties accuse each other of illegal actions around these uninhabited islands. China accuses Japan of capturing them illegally. Japan accuses China of sending ships to these islands and even to its territorial waters. Tokyo does not recognize this dispute at all. ”


In both China and Japan, the Voice of Russia correspondent notes that the conflict dish is thickly seasoned with a nationalism sauce. According to the latest sociological survey, about 93% of Japanese have a negative attitude towards China; they are reciprocated by 90% of Chinese. At the same time, the number of Chinese dissatisfied with the situation in the East China Sea doubled in a year, reaching 80%. More than a third of the Chinese people believe that in the future the two countries will face an armed conflict.

The “birthday” of the conflict was full of surprises.

According to Oleg Kiryanov ("Russian newspaper" September 13), Prime Minister of Japan Shinzo Abe said that he would react decisively to “any provocations” of China and promised to strengthen the country's armed forces. Abe made such a sharp statement during a visit to one of the military units. The Minister of Defense, who accompanied the head of the government, reminded that China is increasing its military potential at sea. The minister promised to strengthen Tokyo’s information-gathering and defense capabilities.

Followed the answer from China.

On the same day, Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei made a statement. "By historical The reasons for Japan’s policy and security concepts are constantly attracting the attention of neighboring countries. We hope that the Japanese side will adhere to a peaceful path of development and contribute to maintaining peace in the region and the world. You should not use prepositions to change military strategy, ”he quotes his words. correspondent ITAR-TASS Alexey Selishchev.

In the material of Gleb Kostarev (RBC) from 16 September, among other things, states that Japanese companies are reducing investment in China and withdrawing production capacity from there. The reason for all this is not only the rise in price of the Chinese labor force, but also the aggravation of bilateral political relations over the islands. Japanese business switches to Indonesia, Philippines, Myanmar, Vietnam.

“Japanese investments in Southeast Asia increased by 55% in the first half of this year, to 10,29 billion. In particular, investment in the Philippines grew by 80%, Vietnam - 34%, and Indonesia - 19%. At the same time, the inflow of Japanese capital to China fell by 31%, to 4,93 billion dollars, according to data from the Organization for the Promotion of Foreign Trade of Japan. ”


Cited as an example the company "Showa", supplying components for "Toyota" and "Nintendo". It will open the first factory abroad, not in China, but in Thailand.

“Until recently, I asked myself whether China would not be a better choice, because it is a larger market, and our customers have many more factories there. However, in the end, I decided to go where people love you, not hate you, ”said Kazumas Hirano, President of the Wall Street Journal.

As G. Kostarev notes further, Japanese firms find the growing market of the countries of Southeast Asia attractive. There increases the proportion of the middle class. For example, Honda started construction of a new plant in Thailand in August, and Toyota a month earlier in July announced that 230 million would be invested in a company in Indonesia.

Lenin once wrote that "politics is the most concentrated expression of the economy" and that "politics cannot but take precedence over economics." If this is true of the Land of the Rising Sun and the Celestial Empire, then the economists of the two countries should closely tackle the question: what is preferable and what is more profitable: to keep investment and cooperation, or to start a war for oil off the islands. After all, it is already clear that neither of the two sides intend to concede the islands, nor share the wealth in their waters. Two states observe economic disadvantages instead of pluses: after all, both the Chinese and the Japanese have moved from “love” to “hate”.

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  1. Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 18 September 2013 08: 05
    +7
    But what about the well-known saying- (JAPAN) a fool .. so with a smart (CHINA) he fights because of a banana and a WISE MONKEY (USA) chews it from above on a tree.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 18 September 2013 08: 41
      14
      Quote: Lech s ZATULINKI
      But what about the well-known saying- (JAPAN) a fool .. so with a smart (CHINA) he fights because of a banana and a WISE MONKEY (USA) chews it from above on a tree.

      I would say that the monkey is not wise, but arrogant and hypocritical. In general, for the Americans, an armed conflict between Japan and China is at hand. Yapam can draw in arms, and China is a little besieged in economic terms.
      1. Serg 122
        Serg 122 18 September 2013 16: 12
        0
        At the same time and distract their attention from Syria ...
        1. alone
          alone 18 September 2013 20: 54
          +1
          Quote: Serg 122
          At the same time and distract their attention from Syria ..


          Well, I think it's about China. the Japanese just agree to strike.
  2. vitek1233
    vitek1233 18 September 2013 08: 08
    16
    The Chinese remember the Japanese "good" "Kind" samurai made many Chinese "happy"
    1. Guun
      Guun 19 September 2013 07: 07
      +2
      China has not forgotten or forgiven anything; for any reason, the Chinese remember the Japanese with a strong word - entire villages were cut out and spared no one. Is it possible to forgive this?
  3. xetai9977
    xetai9977 18 September 2013 08: 20
    10
    Both sides are determined. It may well come to armed conflict.
    1. pri3rak
      pri3rak 18 September 2013 08: 41
      0
      In both China and Japan, the Voice of Russia correspondent notes, the conflict dish is heavily seasoned with a sauce of nationalism. According to a recent opinion poll, about 93% of Japanese people are negative about China; reciprocatingly meet 90% of Chinese.

      One of the options for military action is possible, I would not want to ..
      .
    2. j iz sibiri
      j iz sibiri 18 September 2013 09: 22
      +6
      Yes, and soon
      1. Hort
        Hort 18 September 2013 11: 39
        +7
        support, let them fight. At the same time, let's see what the "formidable" PLA is worth. otherwise they have been frightening us for 20 years already, they say we won't defeat the Chinese if they want to take Siberia and the Far East away
        1. Ruslan_F38
          Ruslan_F38 18 September 2013 11: 58
          +6
          If there is an armed conflict - China will emerge victorious, unless of course the United States stands up for Japan - but this is a major conflict with the possibility of using nuclear weapons and, in principle, it is in our favor. Let each other crumble.
          1. kori
            kori 18 September 2013 13: 18
            +6
            I think it will not reach nuclear weapons, they will use the maximum tactical. Although they are, they are by no means fools. Agree, no one needs infection, and no one knows where the cloud will go. The Chinese have an advantage in quantity, in Japan in quality. But in the event of a conflict, China’s advantage will be leveled in connection with the entry into the state conflict. Since the times of World War II, they have concluded a mutual assistance agreement with Japan.
            1. Onotollah
              Onotollah 18 September 2013 17: 44
              +1
              In light of the recent events in Syria, the US’s entry into a large-scale conflict seems to me personally unlikely.
          2. Revolver
            Revolver 18 September 2013 20: 08
            +4
            Quote: Ruslan_F38
            If there is an armed conflict - China will come out victorious, unless of course the United States stands up for Japan

            Join. And this will mean that China will not get it right. If the disputed land were on the mainland, China would have won even with the intervention of America, it would have simply stupidly covered it with corpses. But there is a sea, the infantry will not pass, especially the tanks. And what will the Chinese do with one non-aircraft carrier against half a dozen AUG with the Nimitz, apart from the Japanese Navy? And the Chinese do not have cruisers with "granites" either.
            1. GREAT RUSSIA
              GREAT RUSSIA 18 September 2013 20: 15
              -3
              But unlike Japan and the United States, China can easily fill its Navy with such aircraft carriers that the United States did not dream of. I have not heard that this year the Americans built an aircraft carrier. They will order an aircraft carrier in one country (for example, in RUSSIA), and then they will create it and several aircraft carriers will arrive next year. So China doesn’t need to turn its Navy into a powerful force. So the dominance of the United States and Japan is a matter of time.
              1. Revolver
                Revolver 18 September 2013 22: 31
                +1
                Quote: GREAT RUSSIA
                But unlike Japan and the United States, China can easily fill its Navy with such aircraft carriers that the United States did not dream

                Made with world famous Chinese quality
                Quote: GREAT RUSSIA
                They will order an aircraft carrier in one Country (for example, in RUSSIA)
                Just no offense - how many years have Gorshkov been remade in Vikram-how-it-there? And then build the whole building from scratch. And this will be the next Kuznetsov, Russia has not yet made nuclear aircraft carriers with catapults. Even if we revive the Ulyanovsk project, it will take not a year or even 5, and it’s still unknown how long it will take to fine-tune it. Sooner or later, of course, they will bring it up, Russia has potential, but the schedule does not fit into your scenario.
                Who else can build aircraft carriers? Small Britain, France, America, and Japan with a stretch, but none of them will be sold to the Chinese.
                But suppose the aircraft carriers themselves are riveting China. And what will they carry? So far they only have a clone of the SU-27K. I will assume that, due to Chinese quality, it falls short of the SU-33. And the SU-33 cannot take off from Kuznetsov’s deck with full ammunition, in warm weather it’s almost empty and half refueling, which means that the Chinese will not take off at all.
                1. GREAT RUSSIA
                  GREAT RUSSIA 19 September 2013 19: 32
                  0
                  But the fact is that this Gorshkov is enough for them to create their own modernized aircraft carrier.
            2. tilovaykrisa
              tilovaykrisa 18 September 2013 20: 53
              -2
              This will mean that the United States can’t get rid of it at all, you’re already spike on feet of clay, you are already swaying as soon as direct military resistance is offered to you with large losses in manpower, all your current allies will turn your back on you, and China will provide you with fully. The United States is Rome in the last 50 years of its coexistence, you are now holding on only to Pacific Fleet, Geyropa is cynical and does not see this only blind. An example with world support for Obama in Syria is an indicator, 20 years ago you were still awesome !! And everyone was silent when they bombed Yugoslavia ..... they were afraid ... but that time has passed, get used to the new reality.
              1. GREAT RUSSIA
                GREAT RUSSIA 18 September 2013 21: 42
                0
                Dear you, this is probably Naganu. Am I right?
                1. tilovaykrisa
                  tilovaykrisa 19 September 2013 19: 18
                  0
                  They are absolutely right.
                  1. GREAT RUSSIA
                    GREAT RUSSIA 19 September 2013 19: 30
                    0
                    understand. Regards.
          3. Deniska
            Deniska 19 September 2013 16: 23
            0
            I'm afraid that Russia will have to take sides, and most likely the Chinese. This is a political counterweight ...
        2. Bashkaus
          Bashkaus 18 September 2013 20: 37
          0
          At the same time, let's see what the "formidable" PLA is worth. otherwise they have been frightening us for 20 years already, they say we won't defeat the Chinese if they want to take Siberia and the Far East away
          It’s also interesting for me to look at this matter, only China Far East and Siberia doesn’t wake up, as they say, to walk, so to walk, right through Kazakhstan to Moscow, otherwise it makes no sense)))
    3. rolik
      rolik 18 September 2013 23: 58
      0
      Quote: xetai9977
      It may well come to an armed conflict.

      And in Japan, Fukushima has not cooled down yet. Can you imagine what will happen if a pair of rockets flies there?
    4. Essenger
      Essenger 19 September 2013 08: 20
      +2
      Quote: xetai9977
      Both sides are determined. It may well come to armed conflict.


      Most likely, the Japanese are heaping on the Chinese without American help.
      1. Deniska
        Deniska 19 September 2013 16: 29
        0
        A moot point !? The Japanese have the latest technology, and the Chinese have a mass character, so to speak, "reason" over "force." But God forbid this will happen, imagine what the consequences for the world economy and + mattress toppers with their economic crisis, And here is such a gift ..
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    1. eplewke
      eplewke 18 September 2013 09: 40
      +1
      Fight then let them fight. Only from Japan in the first week there will be nothing left. They will disappear like a nation. Too strong China we do not need at the border ...
      1. Anatole Klim
        Anatole Klim 18 September 2013 12: 10
        +6
        Quote: eplewke
        Only from Japan in the first week there will be nothing left. They will disappear like a nation.

        There are American military bases in Japan, there is a Japanese-American security treaty according to which the United States guarantees Japan protection against a nuclear attack. Just because, the Japanese do not possess nuclear weapons. I think if a conflict arises, then it’s local and at sea.
        1. kori
          kori 18 September 2013 13: 19
          +2
          They also do not have nuclear weapons because the constitution does not allow them to develop offensive weapons. However, they want to rewrite it ..
        2. eplewke
          eplewke 18 September 2013 14: 00
          -2
          The question came down to an extensive war. And even without nuclear weapons, China is able to raze the island state ...
          1. Anatole Klim
            Anatole Klim 18 September 2013 14: 59
            +1
            Quote: eplewke
            The question came down to an extensive war. And even without nuclear weapons, China is able to raze the island state ...

            The presence of American military bases will not allow the conflict to spill over into an extensive war, but I do not rule out a check for lice.
            1. eplewke
              eplewke 19 September 2013 11: 40
              0
              The issue of the military conflict between China and Japan is purely hypothetical. It means without American bases, if you take two armies: Japan and China, then China gives lyuli ... This is a fact. Do not compare the power of China and Japan. These are completely different things !!! and Levels!
          2. Gregazov
            Gregazov 18 September 2013 16: 17
            0
            Quote: eplewke
            The question came down to an extensive war. And even without nuclear weapons, China is able to raze the island state ...

            Probably with sea level.
      2. dentitov
        dentitov 18 September 2013 19: 44
        +2
        Quote: eplewke
        Fight then let them fight. Only from Japan in the first week there will be nothing left. They will disappear like a nation. Too strong China we do not need at the border ...


        This is just not the case. Rather, the Chinese will rake, because They didn’t know how to fight, they don’t know how and are unlikely to ever learn. But the Japanese are good warriors. And their army is more professional, and their morale is many times higher than that of these stupid Chinese peasants.
        1. Guun
          Guun 19 September 2013 06: 52
          +1
          Yes, yes, yes, another tale that the Chinese do not know how to fight. Did they defeat the Civil War? (Kuomintang regime supported by the whole west) They won. In Korea broke allies? They broke it. And the fairy tale that the Chinese allies laid down thousands by them is nonsense, they will tell you how hundreds of MiGs were shot down every day. Learn the tactics of how the PLA fought during the Civil War and the Korean War. After all, when the Chinese began to win in Korea, the amers already wanted to use nuclear weapons, but China stopped. And the Japanese attacked China when they plundered it from nutria. They always fought with each other in the past, so they don’t know how to fight - I wouldn’t say this, they died in millions of fraternal wars.
  5. svskor80
    svskor80 18 September 2013 08: 28
    16
    Of course, given the claims of Japan and Russia, it is beneficial for us to gradually throw firewood into the conflict of the Yap with the Chinese. But I don’t need to directly support anyone, I think that neither of them are friends of Russia.
    1. pri3rak
      pri3rak 18 September 2013 08: 37
      -8
      Yeah, divide and rule by principle? And then what are we better than the United States?
      1. igor36
        igor36 18 September 2013 08: 48
        +5
        You won’t be good for everyone. There are no friends and no enemies in politics, but there are common interests, the interest of Russia now is that the mutual hostility of Japan and China weakens them. It will be worse if they agree and then we will have to fight back from their territorial claims.
        1. pri3rak
          pri3rak 18 September 2013 09: 29
          +1
          Did I say to be good? I am opposed to intervening in this conflict both on one and the other.
          1. Hort
            Hort 18 September 2013 11: 42
            +3
            duck and who says we need to intervene? just quietly throwing trunks on both sides, as was done under Stalin during the Chinese Civil War. just when Chiang Kai-shek (or Kai-shek smile ) began to lose, ours completely switched to Mao’s support (although he initially got more gingerbread, as the proletarian leader).
            1. pri3rak
              pri3rak 19 September 2013 20: 17
              0
              Quote: hort
              just quietly throwing trunks on both sides, as was done under Stalin during the Chinese Civil War. it’s just when Chiang Kai-shek (or Kai-shek) started losing, ours completely switched to Mao’s support (although he initially got more gingerbread, like a proletarian leader).

              Let us remind you when the relationship with China was established?
        2. pri3rak
          pri3rak 18 September 2013 09: 31
          0
          Did I say that you have to be good? I am opposed to the fact that we would get involved in a conflict both from one side and the other.
      2. Onotollah
        Onotollah 18 September 2013 17: 46
        +3
        Quote: pri3rak
        And then what are we better than the United States?

        Russia doesn’t seem to be conducting aggressive wars, no?
        1. pri3rak
          pri3rak 18 September 2013 21: 17
          0
          Russia is not, but acting like the United States is not not ice, IMHO
        2. Essenger
          Essenger 19 September 2013 10: 26
          +1
          Quote: Onotolle
          Quote: pri3rak
          And then what are we better than the United States?

          Russia doesn’t seem to be conducting aggressive wars, no?


          And what happened in August 08?
          1. Onotollah
            Onotollah 19 September 2013 15: 47
            0
            Quote: Essenger
            And what happened in August 08?

            Since I personally did not report Bumblebee back then, like all other civilians, I am content with media information.
            So, according to them, it seems that Saakashvili ate his tie and after that attacked Ossetia and Abkhazia with frustration. And Russia politely asked him not to do so anymore. And the territory of Georgia did not seem to seize.
            Is there still a white piano in the bushes?
            request
          2. Deniska
            Deniska 19 September 2013 16: 46
            0
            We assisted the allied people in confronting the aggressor. And they saved them from destruction. Was there a different scenario?
      3. Pashhenko Nikolay
        Pashhenko Nikolay 18 September 2013 17: 55
        0
        We are better in that we do not teach others how to live.
        1. pri3rak
          pri3rak 18 September 2013 21: 21
          +1
          Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
          We are better in that we do not teach others how to live.



          I apologize, but you are not being drunk? Not?
      4. dentitov
        dentitov 18 September 2013 19: 46
        +1
        Quote: pri3rak
        Yeah, divide and rule by principle? And then what are we better than the United States?


        Interesting logic. It turns out that we need to climb into all conflicts on one side or another? Just the wisest thing is to stay away and watch your potential geopolitical enemies wet each other. And to build up strength and potential yourself.
        1. pri3rak
          pri3rak 18 September 2013 21: 12
          0
          Quote: dentitov
          Interesting logic. It turns out that we need to climb into all conflicts on one side or another? Just the wisest thing is to stay away and watch your potential geopolitical enemies wet each other. And to build up strength and potential yourself.


          I apologize, but have you read the comments above?
          1. dentitov
            dentitov 18 September 2013 21: 40
            0
            Quote: pri3rak
            Quote: dentitov
            Interesting logic. It turns out that we need to climb into all conflicts on one side or another? Just the wisest thing is to stay away and watch your potential geopolitical enemies wet each other. And to build up strength and potential yourself.


            I apologize, but have you read the comments above?


            I read your comment. And I write my own on it. Because your position is very unclear. On the one hand, you condemn the policy of non-interference in extraneous conflicts, on the other hand, you support it. Immediately one and the other will not work - here you need to choose.
            1. pri3rak
              pri3rak 19 September 2013 08: 58
              0
              I'm sorry, but you are not careful, in no comedy I did not condemn the policy of non-interference, I just do not interfere.
      5. Deniska
        Deniska 19 September 2013 16: 44
        0
        We do not initiate explicit aggression;)
  6. pri3rak
    pri3rak 18 September 2013 08: 45
    0
    Both China and Japan need resources, so they do not intend to give in to each other
    After all, it is already clear that neither side intends to give up the islands or share the wealth in their water area.
  7. Stiletto
    Stiletto 18 September 2013 08: 52
    17
    Whatever the child would amuse, if only the Kuril Islands would not touch.
  8. Boot under the carpet
    Boot under the carpet 18 September 2013 09: 01
    +4
    Cabinet Secretary-General Yoshide Suga expressed "deep regret" over the fact that the Chinese ships repeatedly entered the "territorial waters of Japan."
    As the next article about the violation of Japan's sovereignty appears, I always laugh, because these words always appear: "I expressed deep regret."
    1. Gato
      Gato 18 September 2013 11: 30
      +1
      Quote: Boot under the carpet
      I always laugh, because these words always appear: "expressed deep regret."

      Well, this is a figure of diplomatic speech. For example, “expressing deep concern” may already mean sending an expeditionary force.
  9. svp67
    svp67 18 September 2013 09: 22
    +4
    China and Japan, two countries fighting for leadership in this region, and this struggle is also abundantly "flavored" with very difficult relationships, especially after the Second World War. So, the likelihood of a conflict over these two islands is very, very likely ... In such conditions, Russia becomes very, very important to China, not only as an ally, but also as a supplier of advanced, high-tech weapons of warfare. And this situation is apparently beneficial to us. It is simply necessary, for the time given by history to our country, to have time to strengthen to such an extent that the country that will emerge victorious from the history of the islands does not even think to "get involved" with Russia, for where more "tasty" areas of land and sea are. ...
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 18 September 2013 11: 24
      +3
      Quote: svp67
      China and Japan, two countries fighting for leadership in this region, and this struggle is also abundantly "flavored" with very difficult relationships, especially after the Second World War. So, the likelihood of a conflict over these two islands is very, very likely ...

      Another very good reason to go all the way to the Senkaku Islands:
      ECADV Report of 1969 (excerpts): The most favorable part of the region in terms of oil and gas is an area of ​​200 sq km mainly to the north-east of Taiwan ... There is a high probability that the continental shelf between Taiwan and Japan may be one of the most fertile oil reservoirs in the world. It is also one of the few major continental shelves in the world and remains unchecked for drilling, not only due to military and political factors, but also due to the lack of geological information similar to that presented as a result of this study.

      More details at http://www.mofa.go.jp/region/asia-paci/senkaku/pdfs/senkaku_ru.pdf
    2. Onotollah
      Onotollah 18 September 2013 17: 49
      0
      Quote: svp67
      so that the country that emerges victorious from the history of the islands,

      Here aerobatics is just that there were no winners.
  10. Hitrovan07
    Hitrovan07 18 September 2013 09: 38
    +3
    About 10 years ago, China did not allow itself this. The "baby" is growing.
    1. nurlangali
      nurlangali 18 September 2013 10: 21
      +1
      Quote: Hitrovan07
      About 10 years ago, China did not allow itself this. The "baby" is growing.

      And he is not a "kid", but a dragon just waking up hi
  11. ZIS
    ZIS 18 September 2013 10: 01
    +5
    And about 30 years ago we could afford it.
  12. Ddhal
    Ddhal 18 September 2013 10: 10
    0
    I'm for China.
    Historically, the Japanese swallowed a piece at ease, choked, ... and as a result found themselves in even smaller territory than before ..
    1. Kibalchish
      Kibalchish 18 September 2013 16: 17
      +7
      The guys from Damansky with their ears cut off do not dream at night, China? China is an aggressor, and the aggressor must be punished. Yesterday was Vietnam, today - Japan, tomorrow - Russia.
  13. Samy
    Samy 18 September 2013 10: 33
    +1
    Quote: Hitrovan07
    About 10 years ago, China did not allow itself this. The "baby" is growing.


    The events at Damansky, 1979 in Vietnam show that he never felt like a kid ... he simply did not always count on strength. And this is from the same category. There will not be a war there, it is extremely unprofitable for both sides, but as a distracting maneuver for its own population, it will do.
  14. ism_ek
    ism_ek 18 September 2013 10: 45
    0
    If you study the story - Japs, terribly aggressive guys, but they will attack Korea, but China. Places are few, the population is large, you need to feed him.
    1. Kibalchish
      Kibalchish 18 September 2013 16: 18
      +3
      Whom Japan has attacked in the last 70 years. NOT ON ANYONE. But in China, all the neighbors have a tooth.
  15. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 18 September 2013 11: 18
    0
    Yapi beat the Chinese many times, as soon as they did not mock them, but this time the situation seems to be completely different, whether the generation of "Tamagotchi" can become the generation of "samurai" is a big question. And so it will be a great reason for the 3rd World War.
  16. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 18 September 2013 11: 29
    +4
    Yes, let them fight. Neither the Chinese nor the Japanese feel sorry for me.
  17. Bekzat
    Bekzat 18 September 2013 11: 47
    +1
    Greetings to all, reminiscent of the Falkland War. Only here is the question of who will win, Japan with its allies (and one will definitely not fight), or China, which is large but backward in armament.
  18. Hort
    Hort 18 September 2013 11: 49
    +1
    although I don’t feel sorry for either one (because you know where the bee is), I would bet more on yapov, especially if they could be pulled out of any help (unspoken and non-military, of course) under the wings of an Amerik eagle :) In exchange, for example, for close scientific and technical cooperation in the field of high technologies and robotics. Well, as an extra. The gingerbread for the full disclosure of Japanese scientific secrets can be offered the joint development and development of the two southern Kuril Islands, which we promised back in 56 (I may be wrong with the date) return for signing the peace treaty. But of course, not to give them away at all, but to make the Russian-Japanese exclusive economic zone. Which in general would be the most normal solution. Provided, I repeat, the Japanese withdraw from American influence and completely close American military bases on their territory.
    1. Deniska
      Deniska 19 September 2013 16: 54
      0
      The plot is like in a starter;)
      1. Hort
        Hort 20 September 2013 07: 00
        0
        I mean, what is fiction?))) Well, about this I am in the know;)

        I just didn’t watch the start track and somehow I’m not burning with desire. Therefore, I do not quite understand the essence of your comment)
  19. dimon-media
    dimon-media 18 September 2013 13: 18
    +2
    Ours, just like China, must take the same tight stance on the South Kuril Islands. All offers of Yap to sit at the negotiating table - to send them on foot erotic journey. Feel free in the expressions. They don’t understand normal language.
    1. fon_Stierlitz
      fon_Stierlitz 18 September 2013 13: 35
      +2
      In fact, they do just that, only they do not send them directly, but simply shrug their shoulders in bewilderment. "Well, they want the islands and let them want further ..."
  20. archi.sailor
    archi.sailor 18 September 2013 15: 41
    +3
    I think that japam and fans of Mao and Sichuan cuisine should fight for the islands. The Chinese have something to remember the Japanese, and the japas will shake their economy (maybe)
  21. repytw
    repytw 18 September 2013 18: 02
    +4
    Japan wants islands in Russia, China, and Korea, so we must support China, the SCO ally, BRIC at the diplomatic level, this will strengthen relations with China, invigorate Japan with regard to the Kuril Islands, and allow China to put more serious pressure on Japan, right up to the military conflict (which is in our hands, as it will weaken both), the United States will not get involved fearing that we will get involved, and Russia and the USA may act as a guarantor of not using weapons of mass destruction. If China concentrates the latest armaments in this sector, Japan will not be able to say hello, taking into account Fokusima and the crisis, there may be less one world player, and China will not immediately recover from the conflict, and there’s a lot of money.
  22. darksoul
    darksoul 18 September 2013 18: 19
    0
    The game is out of our field, let them bite ... Japan will forget about the northern territories for a while ... although they don’t shine
  23. Tambov we ...
    Tambov we ... 18 September 2013 19: 13
    +2
    To me personally, before the lantern, how they divide these islands, the main thing is that our moon-faces should not look at our Kuril Islands, because it is a pity to spend combat charges on them.
  24. dentitov
    dentitov 18 September 2013 19: 51
    +6
    Quote: Kibalchish
    The guys from Damansky with their ears cut off do not dream at night, China? China is an aggressor, and the aggressor must be punished. Yesterday was Vietnam, today - Japan, tomorrow - Russia.

    Only a person who does not know the Chinese can speak on the side of China. This is a good thing. Moral. The same applies to the Japanese. The Japanese are also fascists in their ideology. The best policy with them is calm power politics. Then they bend and do not greyhound. If you show weakness, they will gobble up and not even choke. This is the East. Everything is so here.
    1. Kibalchish
      Kibalchish 19 September 2013 04: 35
      0
      In Japan today there is no state ideology, but in China there is, moreover, aggressive. All his neighbors already felt this on themselves.
    2. Guun
      Guun 19 September 2013 07: 19
      0
      The fact that the Chinese are morally inadequate agrees with you. But do not underestimate them, what happened to Napoleon who considered the Russian barbarians everyone knows, Paris was taken. And Hitler did not go far from him.
  25. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 18 September 2013 21: 26
    +1
    <<< both the Chinese and the Japanese have moved from “love” to “hate”. >>>
    China today is unlikely to venture on a military action against Japan. As in the past, when he endlessly frightened the States with serious Chinese warnings, the total number of which, it seems, eventually exceeded a hundred, China will present long-running claims and accusations to Japan, only in contrast to the past, reinforcing them with the demarches of its Navy and, possibly, economic measures. And the very fact of these claims already plays to strengthen the image of China, as a growing great world power, and so far !!! quite enough!
  26. dentitov
    dentitov 18 September 2013 21: 37
    -1
    Quote: Goldmitro
    <<< both the Chinese and the Japanese have moved from “love” to “hate”. >>>
    China today is unlikely to venture on a military action against Japan. As in the past, when he endlessly frightened the States with serious Chinese warnings, the total number of which, it seems, eventually exceeded a hundred, China will present long-running claims and accusations to Japan, only in contrast to the past, reinforcing them with the demarches of its Navy and, possibly, economic measures. And the very fact of these claims already plays to strengthen the image of China, as a growing great world power, and so far !!! quite enough!


    This is true. Because any more or less serious military conflict will show the weak combat capability of the Chinese army. This will upset their image and debunk the "Chinese threat" myth.
    1. Guun
      Guun 19 September 2013 07: 16
      +2
      What is her weakness? I repeat once again, if they wouldn’t be able to fight, it would be not the People's Republic of China but the SSK (United States of China), but they smashed the Kuomintang which was supported by the West, saved Korea (the myth that the Chinese were laid down by the millions I don’t believe, like they are our MiGs for hundreds of days shot down) and managed to fight with the Indians by snatching a piece of their land. The leading Russian design bureaus and not only work for China, they bring the technology to mind, they study the warfare of those countries that have been fighting for a long time. In ten years or even less, no one will say a word to them.
  27. Ram chandra
    Ram chandra 19 September 2013 12: 50
    0
    If the Japanese do not gather, from more than half a century of enhanced licking of the United States, then they will be fired. But it seems to me, with their mentality - they will still come together.