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Belarus will update the MiG-29

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Belarus will update the MiG-29Next year, it is planned to resume work on the modernization of MiG-29 fighters for the Belarusian air force, said the deputy chief engineer of 558 aviation repair plant »Alexander Vorobey.


“It is planned that in the 2014 year the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Belarus will order the modernization of the MiG-29. Belarus has no opportunity to buy new fighters. Earlier, four fighters were upgraded, which are in service with the Belarusian Air Force, ”said Sparrow. He noted that the MiG-29 fighters for foreign air forces are also being upgraded at the plant. "Modernization of the MiG-29 is made in the process of overhaul, as the plane understands and easier to upgrade," - said the deputy chief engineer 558 ARZ. According to him, during the modernization, the on-board locator is refined: a “bypass channel” is being installed, which allows the fighter to not only “work” through the air, but also to detect and destroy ground targets. “In addition, improvements are being made to the management system weapons (LMS) and minimally improved cockpit with the installation of one multifunctional indicator, which displays navigation information and data of the LMS, ”added Sparrow. According to him, at present, ten Su-27 fighters for the Air Force of Belarus and for foreign customers have also been upgraded.
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  1. Nikolay_1995
    Nikolay_1995 17 September 2013 10: 25
    -7
    I wish there were a couple of T-50s in Belarus ...
    1. GreatRussia
      GreatRussia 17 September 2013 11: 46
      19
      Quote: Nikolay_1995
      I wish there were a couple of T-50s in Belarus ...

      Why in Belarus this prototype at the moment? request
      That's when they finish it, it will be mass-produced, and then you can think.

      Now you can actually place the Su-30, Su-35, Su-34. Although so far they are too few supplied for our Air Force.
      1. White Guard
        White Guard 17 September 2013 12: 45
        13
        Yes, it's time to decide with the MIG-31
      2. ruslan207
        ruslan207 17 September 2013 19: 23
        +1
        And that there is a Russian air force base near Lida, not ancient planes will be based there
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 September 2013 12: 03
      +9
      Quote: Nikolay_1995
      I wish there were a couple of T-50s in Belarus ...

      What for?
      1. S-200
        S-200 17 September 2013 13: 26
        11
        Schaub But father with his heel (svavo skate) beat the sabe in the groan, while boasting, INTO "Nichto, obviously, the bend will not dare!"
        It’s funny for everyone, but it’s pleasant for us ... lol
        1. tilovaykrisa
          tilovaykrisa 17 September 2013 13: 36
          +6
          Dad can return a couple of poplars, so that his words would sound more weighty.
          1. ruslan207
            ruslan207 17 September 2013 19: 25
            +1
            Poplars there do not need to immediately cover a distance of 300 km
    3. AVV
      AVV 17 September 2013 13: 59
      +2
      There is not enough money for the SU-34, Su-35, so they ordered the upgrade !!! Not to the T-50 Old Man now !!!
  2. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 17 September 2013 11: 43
    15
    In Belarus, generally tight with aviation. Over the past few years, the Belarussian Air Force has written off more than fifty combat aircraft units, not counting helicopters, while at the same time having purchased absolutely zero aircraft.
    http://afn.by/news/i/179950

    5 more crashed.
    2009 crashed Su-27 two corpses. Materials are classified
    2010 crashed MiG-29 pilot managed to eject
    2010 crashed MiG-29 two corpses. Materials are classified
    2011 crashed helicopter of State Border Committee five corpses
    2011 crashed Mi-24 air force three corpses
    2012 crashed Su-25 corpse. Materials are classified
    Total: 4 of the year 6 machines
    2 MiG-29 squadrons remained throughout the country. Su-27 was removed from service. The Su-24 is being removed from service and, together with the Su-25, it is being sold to blacks.
    1. Not so long ago, a plane flew from Lithuania to Belarus, flew to Minsk, circled around, scattered campaign materials and flew away. "Air Defense" of Belarus did not see him.
    2. In zero in Belarus there was a huge scandal associated with falsifications of internal checks of the air defense system. Nobody really tested and tested the system. This is the real level of air defense of the republic, and not what they are trying to show in Ashuluk with all their might.
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 17 September 2013 12: 20
      23
      Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
      In Belarus, generally tight with aviation.

      It is difficult for Belarus to create a full-fledged aviation group, according to financial capabilities, it is easier for them to deploy our air base on its territory. And it is not unprofitable for them, and we are covering the western direction more reliably.
      1. S-200
        S-200 17 September 2013 13: 33
        +5
        hi I agree with you!
        NATO (USA) is in no hurry to "give away" the latest models of military aviation to the poor Balts, but is placing planes of its rich partners at air bases ...
        It is painfully independent, arrogant, our old father-in-chief But father and without our latest weapons systems ....
      2. eplewke
        eplewke 17 September 2013 14: 25
        0
        They themselves have nothing left, but he still sells blacks ... He hopes everything in Russia, they say Moscow will not abandon the Slav brothers. So it will be in principle, the Russians will not abandon their own. But to think that let Russia spend money on defense, and we pull up our pants is also not good ...
        1. Volzhan
          Volzhan 17 September 2013 18: 22
          +5
          Do you want to get the border near Smolensk?
      3. Antibrim
        Antibrim 17 September 2013 19: 09
        +1
        I agree completely! Russia’s air base wouldn’t hurt anyone who knows Shoigu and will agree, but Belarus itself needs pilots, they give old ships to the Indians for the price of metal, they could also give mothballed planes, provided that they are modernized with us
    2. Odysseus
      Odysseus 17 September 2013 13: 25
      12
      Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
      Nobody really tested or tested the system. Here he is such a real level of air defense of the republic, and not that they are trying with all their might to show in Ashuluk.

      Wow. What kind of collisions are it in Belarus. Yes, the light-weighted Swedish plane overslept, but then hard conclusions followed.
      Do you think that the real state of Russian air defense is better? I hasten to inform you that it’s worse. And that they write off junk, they’re doing it right. Firstly, we are still in the Union State. Secondly, it’s better than ours, when hundreds of planes are listed as part of the Air Force to the delight of ordinary people, but in reality they are suitable of which from the strength of 40 percent.
      1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
        GELEZNII_KAPUT 17 September 2013 13: 59
        15
        Quote: Odyssey
        Wow. What kind of assaults on Belarusians are these.

        I agree, here one Belarusian came to visit us, from what he saw was just in shock, the roads are seams, dirt is everywhere (well, or almost everywhere), etc. etc., Russian gouging, in short, maybe they’ve got old stuff too, I think, drawing an analogy that everything that can work! hi
      2. Arabist
        Arabist 17 September 2013 18: 05
        0
        Odysseus, what is wrong with our air defense? More details if possible.
        1. Odysseus
          Odysseus 18 September 2013 20: 03
          0
          Quote: Arabist
          Odysseus, what is wrong with our air defense? More details if possible.

          I will quote Zelenin
          "Alexander Zelin, speaking at a press conference, said that threats to the country's security from the airspace are the most significant, and added that the current state of the aerospace defense elements is assessed by representatives of the air force as" critical. "
          According to the commander-in-chief, there is a lack of forces and assets in the Air Force that provide for the tasks of aerospace defense. Zelin considers it necessary to accelerate the integration of air defense forces, missile and space defense and electronic warfare into a single aerospace defense system "
          Since then, the situation has improved, but not significantly.
          1. Arabist
            Arabist 18 September 2013 20: 06
            0
            What do you think is the opportunity to repel aerial aggression? I do not pretend to be a specialist, but I think that we will reflect the blow.
      3. kirieeleyson
        kirieeleyson 17 September 2013 23: 26
        +1
        Quote: Odyssey
        Do you think that the real state of Russian air defense is better? I hasten to report, it is worse.

        Uncle. and the size of the countries as it is not in one weight category. To provide a closed sky for Belarus, 3 regiments with-300PMU and 36 launchers of cover are needed, which in general is (Buk-M2E and Tor-M2E). For the outline of the borders - our base. All, for 10-15 years, all dangerous areas are covered. If "Sky-U" is deployed, so in general. It remains only to wait for our new electronic warfare, which in general is about a couple of years. And we - where territories - 300 days on deer will not go around.
        1. sergius60
          sergius60 18 September 2013 09: 54
          0
          In Russia, there are only 7 (seven!) Sets so far. While one in the center of combat training.
        2. Odysseus
          Odysseus 18 September 2013 20: 07
          0
          Quote: kirieeleyson
          To provide a closed sky for Belarus, 3 regiments with-300PMU and 36 launchers of cover are needed, which in general is (Buk-M2E and Tor-M2E). For the outline of the borders - our base. All, for 10-15 years, all dangerous areas are covered. If "Sky-U" is deployed, so generally

          In general, I agree, although I would also add a regiment. And more fighters.
          Quote: kirieeleyson
          And we - where the territory - 300 days on deer can not go around.

          Undoubtedly, but this is what we are talking about - in terms of air defense, the territory of Belarus is covered better than the territory of Russia (except for Moscow). If you call the air defense of Belarus "full of holes", then what to call ours?
      4. Gari
        Gari 18 September 2013 14: 46
        +1
        Quote: Odyssey
        Wow. What kind of assaults on Belarusians are these.

        Belarus provides stability on the western borders. It has one of the most combat-ready armies in Europe.
        In the space from Riga to Kiev, only Belarusian air defense systems monitor the situation and inform Moscow. Belarus has preserved a unique center that records any take-off of an airplane over 2,5 thousand kilometers, i.e. from almost any airport in Europe.
        Currently, 180 Russian defense enterprises maintain contacts with 120 factories of the Belarusian defense industry.
        Almost half of Belarusian exports are consumed by developed countries of the European Union, America, Southeast Asia, and China.
        More than 90% of the Republic provides its population with high-quality food products of its own production.
        Belarus became the first among the CIS countries to restore the 1990 level of GDP, the only country in the CIS to double its GDP over the past fifteen years.
        Belarus takes the first place among the CIS states in the production of meat and milk per capita.

        The leadership of Belarus is convinced that without strong state power no reforms are feasible and only such power in the transition economy provides stability, regulation and coordination of all transformation processes.
        But I do not live in Belarus, but in Armenia, but there is something to be praised for Old Man.
    3. Vadivak
      Vadivak 17 September 2013 14: 32
      +9
      Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
      In Belarus, generally tight with aviation. XNUMX


      I would not say that so tight.

      As of august 2013

      Su-27 20pcs.
      Su-27UB Su-27UBM-1 3 pieces
      MiG-29 / MiG-29BM 40 pieces
      MiG-29UB 1
      Su-25 70 pieces
      Su-25UB 6 pieces
      IL-76M 4 pieces
      An-26 6 pieces.
      L-39 10 pcs.

      More on fatal drugs.
      On May 23, 1996, a Su-27 crashed during a training flight. Pilot Lieutenant Colonel Vladimir Karvat, head of the air-firing and tactical training of the 61st fighter air base, took the falling car away from the village and was posthumously awarded the title of Hero of Belarus [6].
      On May 24, 1997, during a training flight, the Su-17 crashed, the pilot, the chief of the flight test station of the 558th aircraft repair plant, Lieutenant Colonel Sergei Pogreban died [6] [7].
      On August 30, 2009, a Su-27UBM crashed during a speech at an air show in Poland. Both crew members were killed - the deputy commander of the Western operational-tactical command of the Air Force and Air Defense Forces, Colonel Alexander Marfitsky and the deputy commander of the 61st fighter air base, Colonel Alexander Zhuravlevich [8].
      On November 29, 2011, a Mi-24 helicopter crashed near Pruzhany, killing three people [9].
      On June 12, 2012, near the Neman training ground (Novogrudok district), the SU-25 (42 white) aircraft from the 116th assault air base crashed. The pilot, the chief of the combat training department of the air base - the chief of the air-fire and tactical training of the air base, a 1st-class military pilot, Lieutenant Colonel Nikolai Gridnev, born in 1975, died.

      Not so much to consider that from May 1997 to 2009, there were no aircraft accidents in the Air Force and Air Defense Forces of Belarus.

      In 2005 Belarusians upgraded the MiG-29. One of the main differences between the modernized MiG-29BM fighter and the serial MiG-29 is the expanded nomenclature of weapons. Under the wing of the aircraft, along with the usual R-73 melee missiles, are KAB-500Kr adjustable bombs and B-13L unguided missile blocks, a modernized information-control field of the MiG-29BM pilot’s cabin, based on it is an MFI-55 color multifunctional liquid crystal indicator, located in place of the standard television indicator IPV-2
      RVV-AE, R-27ER and R-27ET medium-range missiles are additionally introduced into the air-to-air weapons (before that, the MiG-29 provided for the use of only medium-range missiles R-27R and R-27T, as well as short-range missiles battle R-73 and R-60M). RVV-AE missiles have an inertial guidance principle with radio correction and active radar homing in the final section. On the MiG-29BM they can be suspended up to six pieces. The “energy” R-27ER and R-27ET missiles have an increased (in comparison with the R-27R and R-27T) launch range. The first has inertial guidance with radio correction in the initial phase of the flight and semi-active radar homing in the final, the second is equipped with a thermal homing head. Both can be suspended on a modernized fighter in two pieces (on the internal underwing pylons).
      1. smiths xnumx
        smiths xnumx 17 September 2013 15: 19
        0
        Vadim, let's start with the fact that the Su-27 are in storage about their fate, I already wrote in a comment from 13.52:
        On December 7, 2012, at the Baranavichy Belarusian airdrome (Brest region), the solemn construction of the personnel of the 61st fighter air base of the Air Force and Belorussian Air Defense Forces was carried out, during which the official withdrawal of Su-27 fighters from the air force and air defense forces of the republic took place.

        http://bmpd.livejournal.com/407154.html

        Regarding the MiG-29, I wrote that there are 38 units in Belarus, you indicate that 41, the difference is insignificant. Su-24 removed from service in February 2012.
        About Su-25, Wikipedia says there are 23 Su-25 and another 20 Su-25 in storage.
        http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%BE-%D0%B2%D0%BE%D
        0%B7%D0%B4%D1%83%D1%88%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8B_%D0%B8_%D0%B2%
        D0%BE%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B2%D
        0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B4%D1%83%D1%88%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0
        %BD%D1%8B_%D0%91%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8

        Now we look, in 1992, Belarus had in the 206th OSHAP, 378th OSHAP and 397th OSHAP-93 Su-25. Of these, sold: to Sudan-13 Su-25 and 2 Su-25UB in 2008-2010, the Sudanese Air Force "recently" received an additional batch of Su-25 attack aircraft from Belarus, 4 Su-25 and 2 Su-25UB were sold to Cote D Ivoire ; 18 Su-25s were sold in Peru, 5 Su-25s were sold to Azerbaijan, 10 were sold in Congo, that is, it is already 54, that is, even without taking into account the additional Sudanese consignment, there are 39, another one crashed in an accident - 38. So. that Belarus simply cannot have 70 Su-25s.
        IL-76- Wikipedia says the presence in the Air Force of Belarus 1. In 2010 FSUE "Rosoboronexport" from the Air Force of China for the purchase of 10 used Il-76MD / TD aircraft, of which: three Il-76MD aircraft were taken from the presence of the Russian Air Force , two Il-76MD - from the presence of the Air Force of Belarus, and three Il-76TD - from the fleet of the Belarusian airline "Transaviaexport". Well, count it.
        http://bmpd.livejournal.com/386043.html

        Give a link to your data. Yours faithfully! hi
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 17 September 2013 15: 30
          +3
          Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
          Give a link to your data. Yours faithfully!


          avis.ucoz.kz ›publ / voenno_vozdushnye_sily ... belarus

          You are welcome. Sincerely.
          Su-24MK Withdrawn from the battlefield 23
          Su-24MR Withdrawn from the battlefield 12
          1. smiths xnumx
            smiths xnumx 18 September 2013 10: 00
            0
            Vadim, your link is for 2010
            Data on the number of aircraft used by the Air Force of the Republic of Belarus is taken from IISS Military Balance 2010:
            Since then, a lot of water has flowed under the bridge. Belarusian Su-27s are still in storage. I already wrote about the Su-25, they only remained in 1992 after the collapse of the USSR on the territory of Belarus, consisting of 3 OSHAP-93 units, I also cited the figures for deliveries to other countries, plus the wear and tear of the resource and "cannibalism" caused by the lack of spare parts. Therefore, the figure from Viki 23 Su-25 in service and another 20 Su-25 in storage, it seems to me more plausible. The same applies to the Il-76s. As for the Belarusian modification of the MiG-29-MiG-29BM:
            specialists from the Russian design bureau "Russian avionics" were widely involved in these works. The developments of this particular team were introduced aboard the first prototype aircraft under the MiG-29SMT program, which entered testing in 1997. Later, however, the Russian Air Force decided to abandon the proposed version of the MiG-29 modernization, reorienting to another contractor for integrating the updated ' board '. A similar fate befell the joint proposal of Russian Avionics and IAPO for the modernization of Su-27 and Su-30 fighters: the experimental Su-27UBM and Su-30KN that implemented such modifications did not find further support in Russia. Since 27, the modernization of the Su-2003 combat aircraft of the Russian Air Force has been carried out according to a different "scenario" and by a different composition of performers. And the updated Russian program MiG-29SMT has not yet seen a real embodiment in the country's air force and the modernized MiG-29SMT were released exclusively for export under contracts with Yemen and Eritrea.
            Nevertheless, the developments obtained by Russian Avionics were not in vain: in the early 2000s, the Belarusian military became interested in them, setting the task of modernizing part of their aircraft fleet. As a result, in a short time, the forces of the 558th ARZ in Baranovichi, with the active participation of Russian specialists, converted and tested three samples of modernized aircraft and helicopters at once - the MiG-29BM and Su-27UBM1 fighters, as well as the Mi-8MTKO1 multipurpose transport and combat helicopter. Tests of the MiG-29BM (aircraft '9-11') were successfully completed by July 2003, and the plant in Baranovichi began deliveries of the first modernized MiGs of the Republic Air Force. The aircraft are taken directly from the combat unit and, after revision, are returned back to the 61st air base, at the same time, in accordance with the current operational documentation, the necessary repair work is performed on them.
            http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/mig29bm.html

            Yours! hi
            MiG-29BM board 5
      2. ruslan207
        ruslan207 17 September 2013 19: 34
        0
        And refuel in the air
      3. My address
        My address 17 September 2013 20: 36
        +2
        Dear Vadim!
        And you can also give the percentage of flight accidents of Belarusians and equal, or more than one and a half times the GDP per person, of the country. And I am confident that the brothers will shame many.
        And thanks for the sample.
        In general, I believe that Belarus is our western outpost and ill-tempered, aviation and air defense to give at a discount. Small. Percent in 80. Well, on the strength of 95.
      4. dima-fesko
        dima-fesko 17 September 2013 22: 48
        +2
        On August 30, 2009, a Su-27UBM crashed during a speech at an air show in Poland. Both crew members died - Colonel Alexander Marfitsky, Deputy Commander of the Western Operational and Tactical Command of the Air Force and Air Defense Forces, and Colonel Alexander Zhuravlevich, Deputy Commander of the 61st Fighter Air Base

        Pilots could eject, but drove the car away from the village. Awarded posthumously. In Poland, the Poles erected a memorial to them.
    4. ruslan207
      ruslan207 17 September 2013 19: 28
      0
      Less need to read the opposition press
    5. Su24
      Su24 27 September 2013 02: 54
      0
      +18 Su-30KN do not forget.
  3. ROA
    ROA 17 September 2013 11: 43
    +2
    Are the rumors about the transfer of Belarus su-30 rejected by India to be true?
    1. chushoj
      chushoj 17 September 2013 14: 55
      +2
      No. Now the task is to maintain the qualifications of the staff.

      Equipment on occasion will give Russia, if some circumstances change.
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 17 September 2013 18: 07
        +2
        Quote: chushoj
        No. Now the task is to maintain the qualifications of the staff.

        Equipment on occasion will give Russia, if some circumstances change.

        How to keep qualifications if the staff have nothing to fly on before the "accident"?
        1. chushoj
          chushoj 18 September 2013 00: 08
          0
          There is something to fly. It’s better to disassemble and modernize the junk than to get one unit of the new so that everyone looks at it and everyone on it. In my opinion, I said accessible. Training is much more important.
  4. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 17 September 2013 11: 48
    +9
    No, they will be sold to Vietnam:
    Rosoboronexport has found a potential buyer for the Russian Su-30K fighters located in Belarus. In May 2012, a military delegation from Vietnam visited the 558th aircraft repair plant in Baranovichi, which expressed its readiness to purchase all 18 aircraft. The price for which Russia is ready to part with heavy fighters is so attractive that Vietnam, which is accustomed to purchasing exclusively new equipment, is ready to begin negotiations on the acquisition of already used Sukikhs. If Vietnam starts specific negotiations, for the first time since the establishment of the state monopoly Rosoboronexport, two Russian aircraft manufacturing enterprises will compete on the market of one country at once. At the end of November 2011, all 18 Su-30K fighters that were in service with the Indian Air Force were delivered by military transport aircraft to the territory of Belarus, where they are planned to be repaired and modernized to the Su-30KN version with subsequent sale. Since in 1996 Russia, purely technically, could not immediately create 18 newest Su-30MKI fighters, India was asked to purchase the same number of aircraft, but in a simplified version - Su-30K. But with the proviso that later they will be replaced with the same number of full-fledged Su-30MKIs, and the Su-30K fighters will return to Russia and become the property of the manufacturer - the Irkut corporation. New fighters were delivered, and the old ones ended up not in Russia, but in Belarusian Baranovichi: this allowed Irkut to avoid paying customs duties for importing aircraft into the Russian Federation. For all "Belarusian" fighters, Russia plans to gain at least $ 270 million (about $ 15 million per unit, taking into account the modernization), which, compared to the market value of 18 new Su-30 aircraft (over $ 1 billion), looks like an insignificant amount. Among the countries interested in such a lucrative offer were named Sudan, Vietnam, as well as Belarus itself, which sought to renew its air force fleet with minimal use of funds (in particular, to replace outdated Su-27 aircraft). However, the Russian Ministry of Finance refused to issue a loan to Minsk for their purchase, and Belarus was unable to pay even this amount on its own. Vietnam was the first to take real steps towards the start of negotiations, and Sudan is now being considered as a kind of backup option.
    http://www.militaryparitet.com/ttp/data/ic_ttp/1751/
    1. Argon
      Argon 17 September 2013 12: 13
      +5
      Belarus has taken an extremely balanced position, based on its financial capabilities, they are working on the MiG as the main platform of the Air Force / Air Defense. And I must say without any special show-off they modernized the "working boards", while some loudly announced "cool prototypes." the situation is stabilizing a little, I think the modernization process will go quite rhythmically. I wish Minsk great success in this.
    2. Odysseus
      Odysseus 17 September 2013 13: 30
      +5
      Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
      For all "Belarusian" fighters, Russia plans to gain at least $ 270 million (about $ 15 million per unit, taking into account the modernization), which, in comparison with the market value of 18 new Su-30 aircraft (over $ 1 billion), looks like an insignificant amount

      It’s terrible hucksters. We’d better leave it to ourselves. The Su-30s themselves in combat units still do not. They all promise. Or they would give the same Belarusians.
      1. smiths xnumx
        smiths xnumx 17 September 2013 13: 52
        +3
        Excuse me, why did Belarusians need the Su-30, they and the Su-27 were removed from service:
        7 December 2012 of the Belarusian airfield Baranavichy (Brest region) was solemnly built the personnel of the 61 fighter air base and air defense troops of Belarus, during which the official withdrawal of Su-27 fighters from the air force and air forces of the republic took place. Equipped with Su-27 fighters 1 Squadron 61 fighter airbase 1 December 2012 was disbanded. After that, only two squadrons equipped with MiG-61 fighters remained in the 29 of the Belarusian fighter air base, which represent the entire fighter aircraft of the republic.
        The further fate of the decommissioned 61 th fighter airbase of the Belarusian Su-27 aircraft is not yet known. However, it should be noted that in the year 2010 it was reported about the plans of the private company ECA Program registered in the Netherlands (the company's website) to rent a preserved Keflavik airbase from Iceland and buy Su-27 airplanes in Belarus and use them for training Air Force of various countries. ECA Program co-owner Melville Kate then claimed that the company had an agreement with Beltechexport on the purchase of 15 Su-27 aircraft and an option for another 18 fighter.

        http://bmpd.livejournal.com/407154.html

        That is, only MiG-29s will remain in the role of interceptors, of which the Belarusians have about 38. Su-24s have already been removed from service and sold to Sudan, and now the Su-27s. Moreover, the Su-27 is more expensive and more difficult to operate than the MiG-29, yes, their service life is seriously knocked out, both in the airframe and in the engines. We need a full-fledged expensive repair, new engines. We decided not to do this, but just write it off .. Yes, and Belarus has nowhere to go but to "disarm." Until recently, she had about 160 combat aircraft in the Air Force. This is a country with a GDP four times less than Portugal and almost an order of magnitude less than Poland. It's funny to talk about something. It is good if the Belarusians can pull a maximum of 40-50 combat aircraft. This, of course, if they can really be flown and really modernized, etc.
        Su-27P fighter (side number "25 red", aircraft of the 34th series) during the ceremony of the official withdrawal of aircraft of this type from the combat composition of the 61st Fighter Aviation Base of the Air Force and Air Defense Forces of Belarus. Baranovichi, 07.12.2012 (c) Bravo / russianplanes.net
        1. Odysseus
          Odysseus 17 September 2013 14: 02
          0
          Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
          Sorry, why Belarusians Su-30

          It's a strange question. You just wrote yourself- "Among the countries interested in such a lucrative offer were Sudan, Vietnam, as well as Belarus itself, which sought to renew its Air Force fleet with minimal use of funds."
          If interested, then they know why.
          1. smiths xnumx
            smiths xnumx 17 September 2013 14: 20
            +3
            Dear Odysseus, Belarus has long ago refused to receive them, and it does not have resources for them. Moreover, if the dad wanted the Su-30 in addition, it would be more logical to keep 4 upgraded Su-27UBM1s at home, and to sell only not upgraded Su-27Ps, but it seems that all Sushki were written off. Su-27 / Su-30 is too expensive, that's the thing. Its flight hour is much more expensive than the MiG-29. Not without reason in Ukraine, even to obtain the current scanty raid, the L-39 is used as a surrogate substitute for the regular, but expensive to operate Su-27, Su-24, Su-25. Belarusians also had the opportunity to maintain cars in flight form, but there is not enough money to operate it. And the Su-27 has become too expensive a toy for Belarus. While they are planning to purchase 4 Yak-130 and strengthen air defense.
            According to the agreement, in 2015 OJSC “Irkut Corporation” will deliver 4 combat training aircraft to our country.

            http://dengi.onliner.by/2012/12/18/samol/


            Su-30 at the base in Baranovichi

            Yours! hi
            1. saturn.mmm
              saturn.mmm 17 September 2013 19: 08
              0
              Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
              Su-30 at the base in Baranovichi

              Sorry, this is not a base but a 558th plant
          2. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 17 September 2013 18: 51
            +3
            Quote: Odyssey
            Weird question.

            Belarusians provided an air base in the Lida of Russia, probably our president decided that in this regard he could do without heavy fighters and bombers. Su-24, with a military budget is not crowded, you have to count every penny, in Baranavichy a good factory so that repairs and upgrades will be carried out at a decent level Mig-29.
            The picture shows the repair and modernization of the Su-30K at the 558 plant in Baranovichi (clickable) if anyone is interested in more details about the plant in the pictures https://picasaweb.google.com/117990383296131038585/558_ARZ#5807041326540060962
        2. ruslan207
          ruslan207 17 September 2013 19: 43
          -1
          Kuznetsov 1977-Are you aware that these Su-24s have exhausted their resources, that this machine is difficult to pilot and correctly done, that the scrap was sold in Belarus by piece, so that they also fought if you want it?
          1. smiths xnumx
            smiths xnumx 18 September 2013 10: 12
            -1
            Dear Ruslan, the same Su-24, in addition to Russia and Belarus, is in service with many more where:
            Ukraine - 24 Su-24M (+55 in storage) and 12 Su-24MR, as of 2013.
            Algeria - 34 Su-24M / Su-24MK and 4 Su-24E, as of 2010
            Uzbekistan - 23 Su-24, as of 2010
            Iran - 30 Su-24MK as of 2010
            Syria - 20 Su-24, as of 2010
            Angola - 12 Su-24, as of 2010
            Kazakhstan - 23 Su-24M and 12 Su-24MR, as of 2010
            Azerbaijan - 5 Su-24, as of 2010
            http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D1%F3-24

            And this is taking into account the fact that the last Su-24 was produced by NAPO them. V.P. Chkalov, already in 1993. Or do you want to argue that the qualifications of Syrian, Iranian, Uzbek, and especially Angolan pilots and aircraft technicians (with all due respect to these states) are higher than those of Belarusians. Moreover, many of the Su-24 of the indicated Air Force are actively used and fight, such as the Syrian ones. I will answer you according to Stanislavsky: "I do not believe !!!"
            Su-24 Algerian Air Force

            Su-Xnumx Iranian Air Force

            Su-24 Syrian Air Force
    3. Ev58
      Ev58 17 September 2013 13: 39
      +1
      According to this comment, it can be assumed that Vietnamese specialists completely lack such concepts as a resource, an assigned service life, reliability, MTBF, destructive changes in materials, coatings and EMI of airborne equipment and many, many other concepts.
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 17 September 2013 13: 57
        +6
        Quote: ev58
        According to this comment, it can be assumed that Vietnamese specialists completely lack such concepts as a resource, an appointed life

        And what's wrong with the resource? Compared to our Su-30KN aircraft, this is generally newer. Following this logic, the entire composition of the Russian Air Force should be written off.
        So the Vietnamese have everything in order with concepts ....
    4. Per se.
      Per se. 17 September 2013 13: 54
      +2
      Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
      However, the Russian Ministry of Finance refused to issue a loan to Minsk for their purchase, and Belarus could not even pay this amount on its own.
      It is very interesting how the Ministry of Finance deals with issues that should be under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Defense and the President of the Russian Federation, since they directly affect the defense capability of Russia itself. Isn't the need for an aviation group in Belarus a strategic issue? In general, for whom and for what does Rosoboronexport make so much money, do they have a private buy-sell shop there? The aircraft carrier was pushed to the Indians so "successfully" in due time, as soon as the stolen goods can be hastily sold. It is high time for the president to create an analogue of the OBKHSS, to combat economic crimes, and an analogue of the KGB to calculate "wise advisers" and other "moles" in the state structure of the country.
      1. smiths xnumx
        smiths xnumx 17 September 2013 14: 50
        +4
        Dear Sergey, already when Lukashenko was in power there was such an unpleasant incident:
        In late December 1994, an An-124 Ruslan heavy transport aircraft delivered a secret cargo to the Redstone Air Force Base (Alabama). The next day, a sensational article appeared in the Washington Post, claiming that this cargo was nothing more than components of the latest Russian S-300 system, allegedly sold by Belarus through the state-owned company Beltechexport. In a series of subsequent publications, it was said that the deal was carried out bypassing Moscow and inflicting incomparable damage to it: the S-300 PMU missile system allegedly ended up in the United States. This is one of the latest variants of the S-300 with a high potential for combating both aerodynamic targets traditional for air defense systems and those that have a ballistic trajectory.

        More:
        http://kommersant.ru/doc/103833

        I remind Shushkevich left the post of Chairman of the Supreme Soviet of the Republic of Belarus on January 26, 1994. Plus politics: Lukashenka did not recognize Abkhazia and Ossetia, on the contrary, he contributed to the organization of a "Georgian train" to Moscow.
        For years, he received oil duty free and drove it to the left, it was worth closing it - so he began to steal through solvents and thinners. He received loans, promising to privatize part of his industry - and then threw it. And there are thousands of such examples. Yours faithfully! hi
        1. Per se.
          Per se. 17 September 2013 17: 58
          +3
          Dear Roman! We are now talking about the present, when Russia conducts military exercises with Belarus, builds a common air defense system, jointly covering the western direction. Isn't Belarus our main ally? Our officials sold much more to the same Chinese, including C-300, having obtained clones and competition from Chinese pirate crafts. Under Yeltsin, I remember that T-80 was presented to the British as a kind of gesture of openness, and, obviously, a lot more was squandered. I do not condone the plot with C-300PMU in the 1994 year, but now Belarus should be more important to us than Vietnam, and, especially, Sudan. Finally, these airplanes could leave their planes at such a price.
          1. smiths xnumx
            smiths xnumx 18 September 2013 10: 33
            +1
            Here is a moot point, at one time we adopted 32 MiG-29s from the Algerian contract, which Algeria refused, but these were NEW aircraft, as for the Indian Su-30, they were already in operation. So, Sudan and Vietnam are not a bad option for them. As for Belarus, the big question is where the decommissioned Belarusian Su-27s will go, I already gave the link above how they were going to use them:
            in 2010, plans were announced for the Netherlands-registered private company ECA Program (company website) to rent a canned air base in Keflavik from Iceland and to buy Su-27 aircraft in Belarus and use them for air force training in various countries. ECV Program co-owner Melville Kate then claimed that the company had an agreement with Beltexport for the purchase of 15 Su-27 aircraft and an option for another 18 fighter.

            http://bmpd.livejournal.com/407154.html
            So, it is likely that they will train the Air Force of our sworn friends. Moreover, they already have a similar experience:
            In 2009, the United States purchased from Ukraine. The Pentagon acquired two Su-27 fighters from the Ukrainian Air Force. The US military Internet portal www.strategypage.com reported on the deal with the Ukrainian Air Force. Now the US military command has the opportunity with the help of these fighters to prepare and train their pilots to effectively counteract "drying" in the air.
            http://archive.censor.net.ua/go/viewTopic--id--333737

            In 1997, the United States purchased 21 MiG-29s from Moldova for $ 40 million.
            http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CC%E8%C3-29

            so that somehow ... Sincerely! hi
            SU-27 sold by Ukraine in the USA

    5. yanus
      yanus 17 September 2013 15: 17
      -1
      Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
      No, they will be sold to Vietnam:

      Vietnam they come in handy. Over the weekend, I flew to Hanoi, so when landing at the airport 200 meters from the runway, I saw hangars with MIG-21 or MIG-23 standing in them. Definitely not to consider. Creepy junk.
    6. ruslan207
      ruslan207 17 September 2013 19: 39
      0
      Kuznetsov 1977 - You generally know how Indian pilots fly, these planes most likely killed by the Belarusian military are also not stupid. They bought a 4yak-130 in 2 years they will be built
  5. albanech
    albanech 17 September 2013 12: 22
    +2
    Of course it’s good that we decided to do this! The Air Force has always been not the last in the defense of the country! I wish you success like many on this site!
  6. Akim
    Akim 17 September 2013 12: 32
    +4
    With a good upgrade, the MiG-29 can easily compete with competitors. So Serbia at the Magyars they want to buy decommissioned MiGs.
    1. smiths xnumx
      smiths xnumx 17 September 2013 12: 48
      +1
      Yes, okay, Akim, I heard that Serbia wants to buy just the MiG-29 from us, and the annual report of RSK MiG for 2012 seems to confirm this:
      Active work was also carried out:
      jointly with Rosoboronexport, to promote the MiG-29M / M2 aircraft to Serbia and Croatia

      http://alexeyvvo.livejournal.com/33402.html

      Moreover, the Serbs are interested in the Su-30. After the end of the war with NATO in June 2000, a senior Yugoslav delegation visited Moscow. During the visit, a very experienced pilot, Colonel Mirceta Yokanovich, together with Sergey Bogdan, flew on a Su-30MK fighter.
      Colonel Mircheta Yokanovich and test pilot Sergei Bogdan in front of the second prototype of the Su-30MKK (tail number "502"), June 2000 (c) Svetozar Yokanovich

      The delegation concluded that the Su-30 is exactly the fighter that Yugoslavia needs, and in its conclusions recommended it for purchase by the national air force. This idea hovered for several months after the removal of President Milosevic, but it soon became clear that the new Serbian government would not buy weapons from Russia. It is interesting that for the first time the Yugoslav pilots saw the Su-30 back in 1997 at the air show in Batajnice.
      Su-30 (tail number "52") at the air show in Batainitsa, 1997 (c) Vojska

      However, in 2010, the idea of ​​purchasing new fighters returned again. The Serbian Air Force considered the MiG-29M2 fighter as the best offer on the criterion of "cost-effectiveness". On the other hand, there were complaints about the quality of service of the armed Russian MiG-29s.
      When there were reports that Russia was planning to deliver MiG-29M2 fighters to Syria, and Serbia would have to wait two years for its turn, the option of purchasing Su-30K fighters (stored in Baranovichi) that had been in operation was considered. Currently, Su fighters are considered by the Serbian command as more efficient than the MiG-29, on the other hand, additional costs are required for the retraining of the flight and technical personnel, as well as ground infrastructure. But at the same time, according to the Serbian side, it will not have as many problems with the maintenance and supply of spare parts, as was the case with the MiG fighters.
      According to:
      http://bmpd.livejournal.com/555088.html#comments

      At the same time, the MiG-29M2 is still considered the best option, and the fate of its supplies in Serbia depends on the fulfillment of the Syrian contract.
      Yours! hi
      1. Akim
        Akim 17 September 2013 13: 18
        0
        Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
        I heard that Serbia wants to buy just the MiG-29 from us,

        Their pilots generally want Rafali. She doesn’t want to get into loans yet, so they looked closely at the Hungarian MiGs - they are cheap and must be intercepted from the Croats.
        1. smiths xnumx
          smiths xnumx 17 September 2013 13: 41
          +1
          About "Raphael", I agree with you. In general, they requested information from Lockheed Martin on the F-16 "Fighting Falcon", from Boeing on the F / A-18E / F "Super Hornet", from EADS on the Eurofighter Typhoon, from Saab on the Gripen, Mikoyan on the MiG-29M, at Sukhoi on Su-30 and at Dassault on Rafal.
          SAAB did not answer.
          The Chinese, although they were not asked, provided information on the J-10A and FC-1.
          After studying the information, proposals were requested from everyone except SAAB and the Chinese. Moreover, the unrealized Yugoslav project of the 4th generation fighter Novi Avion was closely connected with the Rafale, which, as it were, hints that they might try to buy French technology.
          "Novi Avion"

          "Rafal-A"

          Yours! hi
  7. RUS96
    RUS96 17 September 2013 12: 36
    +3
    Quote: Russ69
    it’s easier for them to deploy our air base on their territory.

    It's time. Yesterday, as they say.
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 17 September 2013 13: 39
      -2
      And the thought is really sensible, even to the heap of taking in the TS, BRICS, CSTO and placing several nuclear weapons in the territory of the base once the Americans do this. But only a bit later, that's how they will start to drive to Syria again and we will place the base wassat
      1. alone
        alone 17 September 2013 20: 13
        +1
        wassat Comrade Stalin tightened the phone and dreamed)))
  8. individual
    individual 17 September 2013 13: 32
    +2
    In politics and economics between Russia and Belarus is not very.
    But in the military sphere of arms full contact.
    I want a transformation of complete interstate understanding.
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 17 September 2013 13: 40
      +2
      I want a union, moreover, complete as in the days of the USSR.
  9. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 17 September 2013 13: 33
    +2
    That's nice for strengthening the defense capability of Belarus. Probably because the Old Man does not join any EU. And on the branch about "Oplot" - such a shit !!! I didn't participate. fellow
    1. Akim
      Akim 17 September 2013 14: 43
      +1
      Quote: Sergei Medvedev
      Probably because Old Man does not join any EU.

      And who joins the EU? Montenegro? Because Ukraine is not even a candidate.
  10. amp
    amp 17 September 2013 14: 10
    +1
    For me it would be better to modernize and produce in large quantities the moment 29 and su 27, than to spend money on all these su 35 and especially 50 tons.

    There are 2 arguments in favor of this opinion: the latest fighters are prohibitively expensive and many of them will not be purchased for this reason. Hence the second argument: quality does not compensate for quantity. Something I doubt that 1 su 35 will cope with 2 su 27. The same is true for the American f 22. Even if this is really a super-combat machine, there are only 187 of them in mattresses and there will be no more. About f 35 I do not say at all, laughter and nothing more. In general, the basis of the US Air Force in the next 10 to 15 years will be various modifications of f 15 and f 16. Despite the fact that they are physically old, albeit modernized.


    In general, it would be better to launch the release of 29 and Su 27 in large numbers and update the fleet, instead of spending money for no reason.
  11. mithridate
    mithridate 17 September 2013 14: 11
    +2
    maybe it’s worth helping Belarus?
    1. chushoj
      chushoj 17 September 2013 16: 13
      +3
      My dear man, did anyone ask you about this? If you do not ask, then it is better not to take the initiative. Belarus needs a strong Russia and Russia needs a strong Belarus. Take care of yourself better. the time will come, and everything will be decided by itself.
      http://www.russdom.ru/node/7102
  12. apostrophe
    apostrophe 17 September 2013 16: 07
    +2
    Quote: smiths xnumx
    Not so long ago, a plane flew from Lithuania to Belarus, flew to Minsk, circled around, scattered campaign materials and flew away. "Air Defense" of Belarus did not see him.


    It is interesting whether the US air defense sees light-engine aircraft that drag drugs from Mexico? smile
  13. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 17 September 2013 17: 47
    +3
    I admire the Belarusians. Well done! Given the low level of funding for the Armed Forces, they are conducting a thoughtful modernization of military equipment (not just aviation). I know this firsthand. But most importantly, the military budget is not stolen in Belarus, you won’t spoil the old man!
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 17 September 2013 19: 22
      +1
      Quote: Ivanovich47
      they carry out thoughtful modernization of military equipment (not just aviation).

      And our goons from MO could easily sell the same MIG at a discount and in installments.
  14. dld35057
    dld35057 17 September 2013 21: 01
    -1
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjCz1G5cMjU
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 17 September 2013 21: 38
      -1
      Quote: dld35057
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjCz1G5cMjU

      As I understand it, you wanted to put it
  15. dld35057
    dld35057 17 September 2013 22: 38
    +1
    I’m not a piindos but an airborne airborne commander and I’m going to let myself go into the country. I’ve put a clip that explains to us that it’ll be pizdets and muslims that don’t help. Hello from 103 airborne forces.
  16. dld35057
    dld35057 17 September 2013 22: 53
    0
    and I wanted to add - the Balts and Poles will rake away from Mother without any help (to us). (-purely subjective opinion-) and I am not an expert mmm. \ ps and all the same they will rake in full.