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Leonid Ivashov: “With the Iran after Syria, the United States will not succeed”

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Leonid Ivashov: “With the Iran after Syria, the United States will not succeed”



The United States, France and the United Kingdom are preparing a resolution on Syria in accordance with the Russian-American agreements. Barack Obama calls on Iran to resolve its nuclear issue and faces a military strike. However, as Leonid Ivashov, president of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, told our Company, Obama is not forming a process now; Russia should work more with Congress.

- What happened in relation to Syria, and endurance, resilience of the Syrian leadership, the Syrian people - this is a qualitative change in the distribution of forces in the modern world. America lost. Syrians frustrated this operation. And today we are seeing an increase in geopolitical respect for Russia. Russia, China, the BRICS countries, the SCO countries essentially reject the American approach to global politics. Obama and the forces that made him plan this operation drove the United States into a global dead end.
Today, Obama needs to say something to justify why they did not attack Syria. And he translates the arrows to Iran in order to hold on to the “strong guy” and demonstrate America’s determination. But these are just words. Already with Iran, after everything ends safely in Syria, the Americans will fail. The world becomes different. Qualitatively different.

- Iran enters diplomatic battle for Syria

- Iran has stated that it has evidence that a chemical weapon applied in Syria by opposition forces. Do you think Iran will be able to become a full participant in the negotiations on the Syrian issue, including at a possible upcoming conference?

- I believe that this needs to be done. Even if Iran is not ready, it should be pushed, because it is the most interested state in this Syrian conflict. Syria is an ally of not only Russia, but also Iran. Iran has its own interests. This is a fairly strong bundle in the Middle East. And therefore, Iran should be involved in the negotiations. But another thing, who will negotiate with the so-called opposition? There is a split today. And they can’t put forward a general leader; they cannot form a delegation. We see that today even Saudi Arabia is beginning to finance one part of the so-called opposition against the other part.
I believe that the Geneva-2 will not bring any tangible success. And Russia, China, the BRICS group, the SCO need to develop this tactical success in a geopolitical victory. Victory over the forces of evil, the victory of the forces of peace against war.

- Lavrov: Syrian opposition must be forced to take part in the "Geneva-2"

- Is America ready to hear the voice of Iran, including its position and evidence on the Syrian chemical weapons?

- No, America has not listened to anyone but itself. And when we talk about America, we see that today the interests of big capital and the military-industrial complex, for which any war is a golden rain, dominate there. And the oil business, and the banking business, and so on. They already counted their profits in this military operation in Syria. Today they lost. Do they put up with what they have lost? I think no.
But we must be prepared for other actions by the United States. But Obama is not forming a process right now - more attention needs to be paid to the position of the US Congress. There are representatives of all political forces and various branches of capital. Here, with whom you need to work and, of course, do not yield to American pressure. After all, America today is essentially alone. America needs to offer its role, its place in the already future, new world, the beginning of which is being formed.

- Iran has evidence that chemical weapons were used by militants in Syria

- Can the talks between Lavrov and Kerry be considered a diplomatic victory for Russia?

- Of course. This is a victory of Russian foreign policy. But, in essence, we showed nobility. Helped Obama. And even Lavrov played with Kerry on an equal footing. That is, the winners and losers performed on an equal footing. This is something similar to the Battle of Poltava, when Peter invited his defeated opponents to the table.
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  1. Refund_SSSR
    Refund_SSSR 17 September 2013 15: 20 New
    +6
    Think what you want, but personally to me, this balabol is already annoying.
    I believe that a man in his status should speak only on the merits, and he has slipped into a cheap publicist ...
    And increasingly out of place.
    1. NEMO
      NEMO 17 September 2013 15: 48 New
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      Quote: We refund_SSSR
      Think what you want but personally to me, this balabol is already annoying.
      I believe that a man in his status should speak only on the merits, and he has slipped into a cheap publicist ...
      And increasingly out of place.

      I absolutely agree with you, Ivashov today praises our Foreign Ministry for a successful "gambit", but a fragment of his interview with a network publication On the eve of ru. two weeks ago:

      "- Everyone is wondering if the West will come into conflict with its military power?
      L. IVASHOV - What is stopping them today? Indeed, in addition to the musty speeches of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Putin and others, we do absolutely nothing. After all, we were obliged, if there is a threat of armed aggression for a sovereign state, to do everything so that this state can defend itself - this is the principle of individual and collective defense. We should, as a permanent member of the Security Council, promote this issue there. It doesn’t work out - it was necessary to convene the UN General Assembly - a threat to international peace, the shadow of the Third World War hangs. Humanity has entrusted us, one of the five states, with its security, I’m talking about the permanent members of the UN Security Council, why should we sit and wait - "will or will not"?
      We must attack them by political and diplomatic means, convene a permanent joint Russia-NATO alliance and warn: the first missile has flown, we are breaking the fundamental act of partnership between Russia and NATO, we will leave all structures, recall our representatives and declare you "enemies of the world." Why can't we do this? Why do not we hold consultations within the framework of the SCO and BRICS, within the framework of the League of Arab States? And we do nothing. Because corrupt power, they sold everything.
      Most Russian leaders have their capital abroad, have their own real estate, etc. This is a noose around the neck, and all the special services of Western countries carefully monitor this and set conditions: either you mumble something there, protest and do nothing to prevent the aggression from happening - then your capital will remain intact. If you behave too actively, we will seize your accounts, your real estate, as they have done more than once, showing us our readiness. And so we rent, sell our friends, our people, our independence ... "http://ria-sibir.ru/viewnews/53126.html
      1. astra
        astra 17 September 2013 17: 13 New
        13
        Barack Obama calls on Iran to solve its nuclear problem and threatens with a military strike.

        In vain hopes. As with Syria, America does not work, even under the threat of a blow, Iran will not agree to disarmament, even with the mediation of Russia
      2. krasin
        krasin 18 September 2013 00: 14 New
        +1
        For the lazy, the second part of the text from the article:
        “This unannounced direct confrontation between Moscow and Washington increased the confusion in the Obama administration, and definitely showed that in the case of Syria, the Russian side is ready to go all the way. And also the fact that the USA had no other way out of the deadlock, except through the initiative proposed by Russia, which allowed America to save face, ”he added.

        Here, a diplomatic source explained that “in order to prevent America from even more embarrassment, Washington demanded that Tel Aviv take on this launch so that the United States could save face before the world public — especially considering that these missiles were the beginning of the US aggression against Syria and the announcement about the beginning of a military operation. After that, the US president was supposed to go to Russia for the G-20 summit, and negotiate the fate of Syrian President Bashar Assad. And only in this way he was able to find a way out of the impasse in which he found himself. ”

        The source also noted that “after the missile confrontation between the United States and Russia, Moscow intends to increase the number of military experts in the group present in the Mediterranean Sea. This incident also allowed us to set a time for the announcement of an initiative to stop aggression against Syria after the G-20 summit, which was preceded by two successful visits to Russia by Iranian Foreign Minister Hussein Amir Abdul al-Lagiyan and Syrian Foreign Minister Valid al-Muallam. During these visits, a solution was found and agreed upon, which included the announcement by Syria of the adoption of the Russian initiative regarding the transfer of Syrian chemical weapons under international control and the preparation of Syria's accession to the treaty on the non-proliferation of weapons of mass destruction.

        Finally, the source noted that “one of the first results of the military confrontation between the United States and Russia was the refusal of the British House of Commons to join the military campaign against Syria. This was followed by European statements on a principled position - and most importantly, on the German position announced by Chancellor Angela Merkel. ”
        http://mixednews.ru/archives/41785
    2. avt
      avt 17 September 2013 15: 50 New
      13
      Quote: We refund_SSSR
      Think what you want, but personally to me, this balabol is already annoying.

      Yes, he has only two opinions - one is his, the other is stupid. ,, Of course. This is a victory for Russian foreign policy. . "------- He gritted his teeth, but then ------ ,, But, in fact, we showed nobility. Helped Obama. And even Lavrov played equal with Kerry. That is, the winners and the losers spoke on equal terms. This is something similar to the Battle of Poltava when Peter invited his defeated opponents to the table. " It’s already like insanity or like an old woman from Pushkin’s fairy tale about a goldfish. He has no article whatsoever, he’s GDP - “you’re a fool, you idiot”, but he’s only been hitting a broken camp for a long time, according to the geopolitical academy.
    3. Nitup
      Nitup 17 September 2013 16: 06 New
      +7
      Quote: We refund_SSSR
      Think what you want, but personally to me, this balabol is already annoying.
      I believe that a man in his status should speak only on the merits, and he has slipped into a cheap publicist ...
      And increasingly out of place.

      I can not disagree with you
      1. Lockbase170
        Lockbase170 18 September 2013 08: 46 New
        +2
        Ivashov is an ancient political officer, he was babbling even at the time of OKSVA .. He and Varennikov are two boots of a pair .. But! "Do not shoot at the taper, he plays as he can" ... He has such a job ..
    4. krasin
      krasin 17 September 2013 16: 22 New
      26
      What a news:
      "Source translation for MixedNews - molten

      A well-informed diplomatic source told As-Safir newspaper that “The US war against Syria began and ended at the moment when two ballistic missiles were launched, leaving behind conflicting information - when Israel denied launch, and Russia confirmed it. The confrontation continued until an Israeli statement was issued indicating that the missile launches were carried out as part of a joint Israeli-American exercise, and that the rockets then fell into the sea, and the launches themselves were not associated with the Syrian crisis. ”

      The source also told the Lebanese diary that “the US Army launched two of these missiles from a NATO base in Spain, they were instantly spotted by Russian radars and collided with Russia's defense systems - so one of them exploded further in the air, and the second course was rejected in the direction seas".

      In this context, the source notes that “the statement of the Russian Ministry of Defense that two launches of ballistic missiles towards the Middle East were detected have the purpose to obscure two points: the first - the place from which the missiles were launched, and the second is that the missiles were shot down. Why? Because at that moment, when a full-scale operation was launched, the head of Russia's intelligence service contacted American intelligence and said that “a strike on Damascus means a strike on Moscow, and we removed the term“ shot down two missiles ”from the statement in order to maintain bilateral relations and avoid escalation. Therefore, you should immediately review your policy, approach and intentions regarding the Syrian crisis, and also make sure that you will not be able to eliminate our presence in the Mediterranean Sea. ”
      Source http://mixednews.ru/archives/41785
      1. alexng
        alexng 17 September 2013 23: 53 New
        +1
        The Americans simply made sure that the attack on Syria would turn into a world shame for them. I did not let go of the feeling, right after the appearance of information about these launches, that these two missiles were shot down by Russian systems and became a tub of cold water on the hot heads of the shoobals jackals. And yet the demonstration of the Pacific Fleet, as if by chance, of the downing of so-so-playfully cruise missiles, did not leave any illusions to these world boulevard boors. good
        1. Lockbase170
          Lockbase170 18 September 2013 08: 48 New
          0
          The United States took the position "Better to overtake than not to overtake"!
    5. alone
      alone 17 September 2013 19: 47 New
      +3
      President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems Leonid Ivashov,


      what it is interesting that in order to give such an interview you need to hold such positions and be a colonel general, albeit a retired one?
    6. dark_65
      dark_65 17 September 2013 20: 28 New
      +2
      ........... and nothing to say, a wise comrade from the USSR apparently.
      1. strannik595
        strannik595 17 September 2013 21: 34 New
        +2
        Ivashov in his own style, or the donkey will die, or the paddies .... the third incarnation of grandma Vanga
    7. goldfinger
      goldfinger 17 September 2013 22: 21 New
      +1
      Plug the socket of the iron - ba, Ivashov, teaches everyone and everything! Like a weather vane! Zadolbal! When I was at work, I kept quiet in a rag, and now, at least to Syria as a volunteer!
  2. NAV-STAR
    NAV-STAR 17 September 2013 15: 21 New
    +6
    It may not work, but the mess will be very serious, anyway, that a bonfire in a dry forest.
  3. StrateG
    StrateG 17 September 2013 15: 21 New
    +7
    The USA will not succeed with Iran after Syria


    And what, has everything been decided with Syria?
  4. omsbon
    omsbon 17 September 2013 15: 30 New
    +8
    . And Russia, China, the BRICS group, the SCO need to develop this tactical success into a geopolitical victory. Victory over the forces of evil, victory of the forces of peace against war.


    Unfortunately, it is too early to celebrate a victory, but striving for victory must be done with all your might!
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 17 September 2013 15: 56 New
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      Quote: omsbon
      Unfortunately, it is too early to celebrate a victory, but striving for victory must be done with all your might!

      Won the first round so far ...
      Victory will be when the war is over, Assad will remain in power after the elections, and in Tartus there will be a full-fledged Russian military base with an airfield.
      1. matross
        matross 17 September 2013 16: 21 New
        +8
        Quote: Russ69
        Victory will be when the war is over, Assad will remain in power after the elections, and in Tartus there will be a full-fledged Russian military base with an airfield.

        And over the ruins of the White House in Washington, the Russian flag will proudly fly! soldier
        1. AleksUkr
          AleksUkr 17 September 2013 16: 55 New
          +8
          Only in this way, and not otherwise. They actually have a hearing loss and a weakened reaction.
        2. Russ69
          Russ69 17 September 2013 18: 04 New
          +5
          Quote: matRoss
          And over the ruins of the White House in Washington, the Russian flag will proudly fly!

          It would be nice ... But as they say; "Dreaming is not harmful; it is harmful not to dream."
      2. avt
        avt 17 September 2013 16: 36 New
        +5
        Quote: Russ69
        Won the first round so far ...
        Victory will be when the war ends,

        ,, When everyone dies. Only then will the Big Game end "-Kipling.
        1. Russ69
          Russ69 17 September 2013 18: 02 New
          +4
          Quote: avt
          ,, When everyone dies. Only then will the Big Game end "-Kipling.

          Therefore, the base is needed to play longer ... smile
      3. S-200
        S-200 17 September 2013 17: 30 New
        +6
        Quote: Russ69
        Won the first round so far ...

        I am already starting to doubt it very much ...
        1. The arsenal that is strategically important for Syria will have to be destroyed. And how and who will compensate for the security of Syria after that at the proper level? - WE...
        2. The threat of a strike by the United States and NATO was probably - imaginary ...
        with all its apparent impressiveness of the forces and means involved in the NATO naval performance.
        3. Chem. Syria’s weapons severely limited US aggressive capabilities.
        The United States did not have guaranteed destruction in the first strike of Syrian air defense and chemical weapons, but the probability of a chemical attack on neighboring hostile countries was a very high deterrent.
        4. Russia, acting as a guarantor against external threats for many years, is getting deeper in the Middle East Syrian-Iranian squabbles reminiscent of Afghanistan. All this flies us a pretty penny ...
        5. America made a false, terrifying swing, and we hastened to take away a chemical club from the Syrians ...
        Our colleagues have nothing to rejoice so far, maybe the Americans are playing with us with giveaways ...
        Quote: Russ69
        Quote: omsbon
        Unfortunately, it is too early to celebrate a victory, but striving for victory must be done with all your might!

        Won the first round so far ...
        Victory will be when the war is over, Assad will remain in power after the elections, and in Tartus there will be a full-fledged Russian military base with an airfield.

        I would be more happy if such a base was in our Antarctica! good
        1. Russ69
          Russ69 17 September 2013 18: 00 New
          +3
          Quote: S-200
          I would be more happy if such a base was in our Antarctica!

          We’ll rebuild from the beginning closer to the Arctic; And then you can think about Antarctica ... smile
        2. matross
          matross 17 September 2013 20: 09 New
          0
          Quote: S-200
          maybe the Americans are playing with us in the giveaway ...

          Such an opportunity cannot be swept away. All countries attacked by the United States and its henchmen earlier did not have WMDs. So, if that was their goal, then they raped us ... more precisely, they will fuck us soon, after the destruction of the Syrian chemical weapons, and then the Syrian army ... The Syrian gambit, in short request
        3. Russ69
          Russ69 18 September 2013 00: 32 New
          +1
          Quote: S-200
          3. Chem. Syria’s weapons severely limited US aggressive capabilities.

          Now Russia is demanding, along with the destruction of chemical weapons, to obtain guarantees from the United States not to attack. At least with Lavrov, such a phrase slipped through.
          We do not know the behind-the-scenes negotiations, everything will be clear from the result. In the meantime, the next BDK will go to Middle-earth, one of these days.
          Today, by the way, Lavrov said that Russia is ready to take on the security of UN representatives who will be involved in arms export.
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 18 September 2013 01: 09 New
            +6
            Quote: Russ69
            Now Russia is demanding, along with the destruction of chemical weapons, to obtain guarantees from the United States not to attack. At least with Lavrov, such a phrase slipped through.


            Judging by how quickly Damascus, represented by the Minister of Foreign Affairs, reacted to Moscow’s offer to refuse to possess chemical weapons, Russia coughed up such details with Assad in advance. A good reason was needed to announce this.
            Along the way, amers and realities were popularly explained what would happen if .... Otherwise, the puzzle does not fit together.
            1. Russ69
              Russ69 18 September 2013 02: 11 New
              +2
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              Judging by how quickly Damascus, represented by the Minister of Foreign Affairs, reacted to Moscow’s proposal to refuse to possess chemical weapons, Russia coughed up such details with Assad in advance.

              Of course, Assad already received some kind of guarantee from Russia, and those who arranged it.
              And hotz to find out, purely for the sake of curiosity ... smile
  5. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 17 September 2013 15: 32 New
    +2
    Well, there’s nothing for Iran to fight ... The weapons are outdated. Aviation is old. There is practically no fleet.
    Air Force:
    Fighters - 75
    25 Grumman F-14 Tomcat, delivered during the check, armed with Iranian copies of the Hawk missile launcher and our R-27, I don’t know how it all works.
    40 MiG-29 (5 UB) -35 delivered to Iran from the USSR in 1990, 5 flew from Iraq in 1991.
    10 French Dassault Mirage F1s flew out of Iraq in 1991.
    fighter-bombers- about 89
    17 Chinese clones of the MiG-21-Chengdu F-7 Airguard, delivered in 1986;
    28 McDonnell-Douglas F-4 Phantom II, delivered during the check in the 70s;
    20 Northrop F-5 Tiger II, delivered during the check in the 70s;
    about 24 HESA Saeqeh, Iranian clone of the modernized F-5 (in different sources the number varies from 6 to 24);

    Attack Aircraft: about 73
    about 30 HESA Azarakhsh, another Iranian clone F-5, with 2 RD-33 engines

    30 Su-24MK, 6 purchased from the USSR in 1990. 24 flew from Iraq in 1991.
    13 Su-25s, 6 purchased from Russia in 1998, 7 flew from Iraq in 1991.
    Total: 237, in the most favorable scenario, of which there are modern (F-14 Tomcat, MiG-29, Su-24, Su-25) -total 108. Iran has no AWACS aircraft.
    1. smiths xnumx
      smiths xnumx 17 September 2013 15: 57 New
      +4
      Air defense: the base of air defense, about 30 batteries of the American Hawk air defense system delivered during the Shah, modernized in Iran and called the Mersad; 6 launcher S-200 Vega; 14 PUs of the Chinese clone SAM-S-75-HQ-2J, also modernized in Iran; the French Krotal, its Chinese clone FM-80, and 24 English Rapiers, also staged under the shah; several Kub-M1 air defense systems, or captured ones captured during the Iran-Iraq war or bought in Romania in the early 90s.

      The most advanced air defense systems - 29 short-range air defense systems "Tor-M1", delivered in the early 2000s.
      Another 1900 anti-aircraft guns, among which there are such "wunderwaffe"
      The 100-mm Saeer is a modernization of the old Soviet KS-19 anti-aircraft gun with automatic loading (providing the claimed rate of 12 to 15 rounds per minute - which is not much higher than the standard maximum rate of fire of the KS-19 at 13 rounds per minute

      and 6- and 8-barrel based on the ZU-23

      1. eplewke
        eplewke 17 September 2013 16: 18 New
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        All this “dump” of scrap metal is compensated by its neighbor - China. It will be necessary to bring as many pieces of iron, it will not seem enough ... The narrow-eyed Iri will not surrender, they will tear your ass, but they will not merge it. That's what we think. We do not need NATO neighbors in the Caspian. It’s 2 years that amers cannot take Syria, how much dough has already been poured there, and nothing is held ... but you are talking about Iran ... this is another player ...
        1. alone
          alone 17 September 2013 19: 52 New
          +2
          are you sure about the Chinese? They can easily be guaranteed that after changing the Iranian regime, deliveries will be to China with the same. Do you think the Iranian authorities are more valuable to China than foreign trade relations with Europe and the Americans? The Chinese are tricky. Vetoing does not mean that China will tearing over Iran.
      2. smiths xnumx
        smiths xnumx 17 September 2013 16: 54 New
        +2
        The number of SV: 350 thousand people, of which 220 thousand - conscripts, conscripts.
        Tanks from 2385 to 1600, the last figure is closer to the truth, of which about 630 are modern (480 T-72; 150 Zulfiqar-Iranian tanks: Chiften chassis, M-60 engine, T-72 gun; 75 T-62, 150 North Korean copies of the T-62 Chongmakho; about 100 Chieftain, about 150 M-60A1; about 150 M-48; about 170 M-47; 540 T-54/55, of which about 200 modernized by the Iranians Type-72Z Safir- 74; 220 Type 59; 200 Type 69).
        Iranian tank Zulfiqar

        130 light tanks (110 FV101 Scorpion, 20 Iranian copy of "Scorpion" -Tosan);

        610 BMP (400 BMP-2, 210 Type 86 / BMP-1)
        Cobra BMT-2 - Iranian copy of BMP-2

        640 BTR (150 BTR-60PB, 150 BTR-50, 200 M-113, 140 Boragh, Iranian copy of BMP-1, with rollers from M-113, with DShK).

        189 Brazilian BRM EE-9 "Cascavel"
        870 MLRS (700 copies of the Chinese 107-mm MLRS Type 63, 100 BM-21 Grad, 50 Hadid / Azrash / Nur Iranian copies of the Grad, 10 Iranian-made Fajr-3 MLRS)
        about 2400-2700 artillery pieces, of which 310 self-propelled guns (180 SG M-109, 60 SG 2C1 Gvozdika, 30 SG M-110, 30 SP M-107, 10 North Korean self-propelled guns Koksan, 130 BG M101A1, 540 BG D -30, 100 BG Type-54-Chinese copy of the M-30 model 1938, 984 BP M46 / Type 59-1, 30 BG D-20, 15 BPG WAC-21, 120 BPG GHN-45, 70 BG M- 114, 18 BG FH-77B, 290 HM 41- Iranian copy of M-114 with an extended barrel, 50 BPG G-5, 20 BG M-115)
        50 combat helicopters Bell AH-1J Sea Cobra
        1. smiths xnumx
          smiths xnumx 17 September 2013 17: 31 New
          +2
          Navy
          3 diesel-electric submarines of project 877, purchased in the early 90s, allegedly went through modernization.
          about 27 mini-diesel submarines of various types

          3 light frigates of the Vosper Mk.5 project, purchased during the check in the 70s, a total of 4 were bought, 1 was sunk by the Americans in 1988, 1 was badly damaged, according to some information it is currently used for spare parts. Armed with 4 Chinese anti-ship missiles S-802

          2 Jamaran-type destroyers (one Velayat in the Caspian), Iran’s copy of Vosper Mk.5, 4 Chinese anti-ship missiles and 4 copies of the American SM-1 air defense system (Mehrab)

          2 Bayandor-type corvettes, purchased during the check in the 60s armed with anti-ship missiles;
          1 “Hamzeh” type corvette (in the Caspian Sea), a former Shah’s yacht built in 1936, is armed with Chinese anti-ship missiles.
          24 RCA:
          14th French project of the 70s "La Combattant-2" (2 in the Caspian)
          10 Chinese project "Khudong."
          There is evidence of the presence of 1 RCA project 205, which moved from Iraq in 1991, during the "Desert Storm", which is unlikely.
          About 200 different patrol boats.
    2. b-612
      b-612 17 September 2013 22: 39 New
      0
      Well, their task is not to capture the states, but to survive. Well, they will help to survive.
  6. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 17 September 2013 15: 34 New
    12
    I don’t know which general was from Ivashov, but the analyst from him is like ... a bullet.
    1. nov_tech.vrn
      nov_tech.vrn 17 September 2013 15: 44 New
      +3
      I'm afraid that no one is going to cast a bullet
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 17 September 2013 15: 53 New
        +7
        Quote: nov_tech.vrn
        serge-68-68
        I don’t know which general was from Ivashov, but the analyst from him is like ... a bullet.

        nov_tech.vrn
        I'm afraid that no one is going to cast a bullet


        Have pity on grandfather - he also wants to eat hotz ... laughing
    2. Moon
      Moon 17 September 2013 16: 25 New
      10
      As a military analyst, L. Ivashova perfectly characterizes the track record:

      since 1976 - D.F.Ustinov, head of the apparatus of the USSR Minister of Defense Marshal of the Soviet Union
      since 1987 - head of the affairs department of the USSR Ministry of Defense,
      in 1992-1996 - Secretary of the Council of Ministers of Defense of the CIS member states,
      in 1996-2001 - head of the Main Directorate of International Military Cooperation of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation (what international cooperation was under Yeltsin we know)

      Here is such a great specialist, he worked all his life as a clerical rat in great posts, http://onolitegi.ru/2010-02-02-17-33-09/50-2010-02-02-17-58-40.html# .UjhJ5H8lTXQ
      1. starhina01
        starhina01 17 September 2013 19: 46 New
        +1
        it is time for him to retire senile morality however begins to manifest hi
      2. coserg 2012
        coserg 2012 17 September 2013 20: 10 New
        +3
        I have a question, men. If he was the head of the administrative department of the Ministry of Defense of the USSR, then it was during his time that the ships were written off in bundles of nails?
      3. ksan
        ksan 18 September 2013 13: 19 New
        0
        Luna RU Yesterday, 16:25 ↑ Here is such a great specialist, he worked all his life as a clerical rat in great posts
        He is not a stupid person, but sometimes he carries such nonsense. smile I suppose for my SAMopiar, and his forecasts (if you read the "old") do not come true. According to his forecasts, Iran should have been bombed for a long time,
        On March 30, 2007, Vice President of the Academy of Geopolitical Sciences, Colonel General Leonid Ivashov, added fuel to the fire, who said at a news conference in RIA Novosti that the Pentagon plans to launch a massive air strike on Iran’s military infrastructure in the near future. "The fact that the operation will be, or rather, an aggressive action against Iran, I have no doubt," Ivashov said
        Russia was supposed to wallow in local conflicts around the perimeter, including with Ukraine (back in .... 2009). Or here’s another from later:
        IVASHOV (2001): By the way, I propose a bet that in a few years Belarus will be independent. Negotiations will be held on accession ... Lukashenko, of course, will be removed from power, there is no doubt about that. Negotiations will be held on Belarus joining the European Union, and NATO is possible.
        Can Alexander Grigoryevich ask Leonid Grigoryevach "to answer for the bazaar" hi
    3. jasper
      jasper 17 September 2013 16: 48 New
      +5
      he commanded nothing but a company laughing
    4. Revolver
      Revolver 17 September 2013 22: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: serge-68-68
      I don’t know which general was from Ivashov, but the analyst from him is like ... a bullet.
      Yeah, ANALYTIC.
  7. a52333
    a52333 17 September 2013 15: 36 New
    +9
    Something in the forest died: Ivashov praises and congratulates on the victory.
    - Of course. This is a victory for Russian foreign policy.
    This is zhzhzhzhzhzhzhzh - not easy. request Usually gundit, little, bad.
    1. alone
      alone 17 September 2013 19: 55 New
      +2
      maybe the old man wanted to exchange his general's tunic for an ambassador’s costume somewhere?))
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 18 September 2013 00: 19 New
        +4
        Quote: lonely
        general's tunic on the ambassador’s costume somewhere

        What the hell? Need to send? Yes, no problem, but modernization is pressed laughing
  8. Denga
    Denga 17 September 2013 15: 40 New
    +8
    In the 44th issue of The Essence of Time, Kurginyan described the situation in Syria rather gloomily. Even if the United States does not bomb Syria, now it is unlikely that everything will end so simply. In addition, money to rock the situation continues to flow.
    1. Lockbase170
      Lockbase170 18 September 2013 08: 56 New
      0
      Have you seen the transfers? Judging by the fact that the militants began to bite among themselves, the flow of dough clearly decreased
  9. stpv1
    stpv1 17 September 2013 15: 41 New
    +2
    Quote: serge-68-68
    I don’t know which general was from Ivashov, but the analyst from him is like ... a bullet.


    In my opinion, Ivashov is a very good person, a true patriot of his homeland. I have great respect for him, there would be more such generals in the Russian army, you look and the USSR would not fall apart.
    1. jasper
      jasper 17 September 2013 16: 49 New
      +5
      such? not commanding anything other than a company ??? Well God forbid!
    2. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 17 September 2013 17: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: stpv1
      In my opinion, Ivashov is a very good person, a true patriot of his homeland. I have great respect for him, there would be more such generals in the Russian army, you look and the USSR would not fall apart.

      I agree with you about Ivashov - he is a good man and a patriot. It is not clear where some of the negative attitude towards him came from.
      1. serge-68-68
        serge-68-68 17 September 2013 19: 58 New
        +2
        No one criticizes him as a bad person and unpatriotic. We are talking about his abilities (more precisely, about their absence) to analyze the military-political situation.
        1. krpmlws
          krpmlws 17 September 2013 22: 20 New
          +1
          It doesn’t matter why they criticize him specifically, ask why they criticize him, because Ivashev often allows himself to criticize Putin’s foreign and domestic policies. And this forum has a pro-Putin party. Ivashev is a real man and patriot, I respect him very much. First of all, about your pocket, image and career. Ivashhev with my soul and mind with Russia is felt, such real ones.
        2. Ruslan_F38
          Ruslan_F38 17 September 2013 23: 29 New
          0
          Quote: serge-68-68
          No one criticizes him as a bad person and unpatriotic. We are talking about his abilities (more precisely, about their absence) to analyze the military-political situation.


          I do not agree with you. What is his inability to analyze? The fact that his vision, as you put it, "the military-political situation" is different from yours? This is not an argument. In many respects I agree with Ivashov - a very competent specialist. His point of view has a right to exist. Hanging a "label" of "competent" on this worthy person is considered wrong. hi
          1. ksan
            ksan 18 September 2013 14: 56 New
            0
            Ruslan_F38 (1) SU Yesterday, 23:29 PM ↑ I do not agree with you. What is his inability to analyze? The fact that his vision, as you put it, "the military-political situation" is different from yours? This is not an argument. I largely agree with Ivashov - a very competent specialist. His point of view has a right to exist. Hanging a "label" of "competent" on this worthy person is considered wrong. hi
            Ruslan, Ivashov not, and no one does not approve of this. Only if you take a closer look at his “forecasts” and “analyzes” then they are mostly affirmative (“I bet”, “I'm sure,” “nothing to do”), and not (“most likely,” “I think,” “it seems to me”) and when his “statements” and “forecasts” do not come true, he never apologized, did not explain why he said so, where did he get such information. Do you think that the analyst, “respected general” and “worthy person” can can expound any nonsense that occurred to him ?? First, “affirm” one thing, and literally in a week it’s completely different ?? Maybe he is a "good man" and a "real man" only to military and political analysis, this does not apply. The analyst should be objective and impartial and not wishful thinking or your political views on the situation. hi
            1. Ruslan_F38
              Ruslan_F38 18 September 2013 19: 23 New
              +1
              Quote: ksan
              Do you think that the analyst, "respected general" and "worthy man" can spell out any nonsense that occurred to him ?? First, “affirm” one thing, and literally in a week it’s completely different ?? Maybe he is a "good man" and a "real man" only this does not apply to military and political analysis. The analyst should be objective and impartial and not wishful thinking or his political views on the situation.

              And you probably can categorically hang labels? You are just on two articles (most likely you didn’t read them completely, once you draw such conclusions) you have identified a worthy person in the "talkers". You apparently never made a mistake. Notice I do not blame you and do not determine how you Ivashova, but only assume, express my opinion and am ready to listen to your arguments in response, but only the arguments, not the fabrications of your "I".
              The analyst is not a sapper and has the right to make a mistake.
              "An analyst is a person who predicts the further development of a situation and how it can be influenced."
              Before you hang up labels, I recommend writing at least one analytical article in VO. hi
      2. Gloomy
        Gloomy 18 September 2013 00: 15 New
        -1
        Quote: Ruslan_F38
        I agree with you about Ivashov - he is a good man and a patriot. It is not clear where some of the negative attitude towards him came from.

        “Some are here”, having real knowledge of military service and life experience, evaluate the authority, decency and benefit for the Fatherland of public politicians and types like Ivashov, who seem to be such, not only by their chatter, but also by analyzing personal data of this or that person , his biography, life path and method of career growth, practical steps and deeds committed in the public service and public service.

        Mr. Ivashov may be a good grandfather and even a patriot, but alas, these are not professions.
        In the eyes of the service people, he is just a sneaky rogue, a parquet military careerist, an intriguer who cleverly used the vague times of the 80-90's and the favor of the elderly wives of his insane bosses in official growth.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 18 September 2013 01: 11 New
          +4
          Quote: Moody
          In the eyes of the service people, he is just a sneaky rogue, a parquet military careerist, an intriguer who cleverly used the vague times of the 80-90's and the favor of the elderly wives of his insane bosses in official growth.

          Well, think with your head ... I found Casanova in uniform ...
  10. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 17 September 2013 15: 42 New
    +3
    Once I criticized the general ... remember .. "mistake", yeah, everything worked out. hi
  11. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 17 September 2013 15: 45 New
    +8
    Israel has two main enemies in the region: Syria and Iran. Therefore, Israeli lobbies are pushing Americans toward a “final” solution to the Syrian issue. So that Ivashov is right: The United States will aggressively seek a reason to strike Syria. Then the time will come for Iran. But it is impossible to have free Syria in the rear against Iran. Syria needs to be "remade" into its "ally" by eliminating Assad.
    1. chushoj
      chushoj 17 September 2013 17: 01 New
      +2
      So the militants do not want the destruction of chemical weapons in Syria (nonsense).
      Following these actions, it is possible to demand from Israel, to destroy both chemical and nuclear weapons, to create equilibrium in the region.
      But the FAS host team has already arrived.
      http://lenta.ru/news/2013/09/17/shift/
  12. Dmitry Zurn
    Dmitry Zurn 17 September 2013 15: 53 New
    +4
    General Ivashov went on the counterattack, overthrew the enemy and pursues him in all directions, developing tactical success, intercepts strategic initiative, the enemy is defeated and surrenders, we are happy and clap our hands. You can call the general an optimist, but it seems to me that our opponents are now just looking for any opportunity to change the situation. I think they may well recoup. It is interesting what comes to their mind. Will it be just some kind of provocation, although I think they can come up with something one hundred percent, they have unfortunately smart people, and they are thoroughly controlled by the world media. Wait and see.
    1. the polar
      the polar 17 September 2013 16: 54 New
      +4
      Quote: Dmitry Zurn
      Will it just be some kind of provocation, although I think they can come up with something one hundred percent, they have unfortunately quick-witted people, and they control the world media thoroughly. Wait and see.

      Syria is a strategic goal in the Operation.
      The bombing of Syria will be carried out after the "democratic procedure" of the removal of the Syrian chemical weapons under the slogan "accession to the Treaty banning chemical weapons."
      XO was the only trump card of Syria, at least somehow allowing to delay the full-scale intervention. Now Assad is knocking this trump card out of hand, screaming about "the struggle for Peace in the World"
  13. Humpty
    Humpty 17 September 2013 16: 09 New
    +4
    What roll a barrel on a person? Ivashov is a decent person. Better leave your unflattering epithets for a glance.
    1. jasper
      jasper 17 September 2013 16: 50 New
      +2
      decent person. this is not a military specialty bully
      1. Lockbase170
        Lockbase170 18 September 2013 08: 58 New
        +1
        And there is no such profession THE FIRST GUY ...
  14. michajlo
    michajlo 17 September 2013 16: 21 New
    +3
    Quote: omsbon, Today 15:30
    . And Russia, China, the BRICS group, the SCO need to develop this tactical success into a geopolitical victory. Victory over the forces of evil, victory of the forces of peace against war.

    Unfortunately, it’s too early to celebrate the victory, but striving for victory must be done with all your might!

    Good afternoon, dear Andrew!
    You are right, so far only a respite and a peaceful pause (the threat of external aggression in Syria), and to consolidate the VICTORY of diplomats and military assistance to Russia along with ships in the Mediterranean, is still a long way off.
    I’ll add from myself that the main customer and organizer of the Wahhabi intervention in Syria since 2011 is Israel’s “friendly” and it will not abandon its plans to create Greater Israel ...

    They can probably be canceled only when the “present defenseless Israel” itself disappears from the BV card, which can also happen in 8-10 years?
    1. chushoj
      chushoj 17 September 2013 16: 33 New
      +8
      I would not want to be there on duty in a submarine so that I would have such a break. Ivashov fantasizes as beautifully as everyone fantasizes now. But everyone understands that God is a chosen people, chosen by God to destroy civilization.
    2. avt
      avt 17 September 2013 16: 55 New
      0
      Quote: michajlo
      They can probably be canceled only when the “present defenseless Israel” itself disappears from the BV card, which can also happen in 8-10 years?

      Well, the fact that amers merge Israel as a state was voiced by Barack Huseynovich Obama when he urged them to return to the borders of 1968, well, they do not need this suitcase without a handle. In fact, preventing the war on the BV and the spread of chaos, we delayed their end.
      1. xabaroff.ven
        xabaroff.ven 17 September 2013 18: 01 New
        +5
        I do not agree. All US power is in finance, and finance is in the hands of a small, vicious and vindictive nation (starting with the Fed). If at least one government - the president - dares not to support Israel in his so-called many centuries-old struggle for the promised land and a place under the sun - that’s all, the scribe to him, as politics. Therefore, all US presidents, one way or another, are always on the side of Israel, although they can say anything.
      2. Ruslan_F38
        Ruslan_F38 17 September 2013 18: 04 New
        +3
        Quote: avt
        Well, the fact that amers merge Israel as a state was voiced by Barack Huseynovich Obama when he urged them to return to the borders of 1968

        If the USA merges Israel and this territorial misunderstanding ceases to exist, the world will breathe a sigh of relief. Only I strongly doubt such a scenario. There is too much about the Israeli lobby in the United States, and indeed in the world. How do you imagine the sink of Israel? How will this happen?
  15. Arabist
    Arabist 17 September 2013 16: 51 New
    +6
    I never respected Ivashov. That they sold everything badly, they handed over, there is no army, there is no foreign ministry all the polymers. And then, as if by magic and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, there is an army, from where only everything came in 2 weeks only Ivashov knows, Colonel General without combat experience.
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  17. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 17 September 2013 17: 07 New
    +6
    There is a lull in the world media .. and it’s always alarming. We shouldn’t forgive Syria! We tried to take Russia in an unflattering way (like 10-15 years ago) a mistake happened .. Now we’ll take it seriously and “bury the machines early” That's something I think so ..
  18. Rash
    Rash 17 September 2013 17: 14 New
    +1
    Quote: smiths xnumx
    Iran has no AWACS aircraft.

    Only today was a review of AWACS aircraft.
    http://topwar.ru/33272-vysoko-sizhu-daleko-glyazhu-bolshie-gonki.html
    It specifically states:

    But the Iraqis did not calm down, and made on the basis of the IL-76 another DRLO aircraft, called Adnan. Saladdin also stood on them, but its antenna was mounted in a pancake-like fairing, so it was very similar to the Soviet А-50. It was hardly possible that there was absolutely no help from the USSR, and the result seemed to be more acceptable: at least Adnans did three things.
    These aircraft did not bring benefit to Iraq: one Adnan was destroyed on earth by multinational forces during the Storm in the Desert, the rest and Baghdad flew to Iran, where they are still.

    Iranians are currently rumored to be exploiting one Adnan, the second is being renovated and modernized. Attempts are being made in the country to create their own DRLO aircraft on the basis of the licensed An-140, but since no one can or does not want to sell such a radar to the Iranians, and they themselves cannot develop it either, this desire will remain so in the foreseeable future.
    1. alone
      alone 17 September 2013 19: 59 New
      0
      do you compare the Iranian drill with the Americans? This comparison is similar to how a medieval gun is compared to a modern howitzer))
  19. andrei332809
    andrei332809 17 September 2013 17: 18 New
    +1
    Already with Iran, after everything ends safely in Syria, the Americans will not succeed.

    amers will not succeed, so Israel will try. will take the baton from America and will strengthen its "fears". and there amers and now there will be nowhere to get involved. on the world platform now we need to yell about the aggression and war crimes of the Jews, tady amers will spin around, protecting them, and other topics will fade into the background
  20. Gloomy
    Gloomy 17 September 2013 17: 32 New
    +2
    Quote: stpv1
    Quote: serge-68-68
    I don’t know which general was from Ivashov, but the analyst from him is like ... a bullet.


    In my opinion, Ivashov is a very good person, a true patriot of his homeland. I have great respect for him, there would be more such generals in the Russian army, you look and the USSR would not fall apart.


    The logic of thinking of the son-in-law of the editor-in-chief of the magazine "Soviet Warrior" and, thanks to the protégé, the former adjutant of the Minister of Defense, the lackey and the parquet general, and now the "geopolitical military expert of all problems" and the whole self-proclaimed "President of the Academy ..." (the Academy is registered in one-room apartment along with a breakthrough of the same shnyag) well illustrate several quotes from his fundamental work:
    L. Ivashov. Long live the global crisis!
    electronic publication "Fund of strategic culture", 26.01.2008/XNUMX/XNUMX

    Oracle ryok:

    "... And indeed, the survival of modern civilization becomes problem No. 1 for mankind. Economists, ecologists, demographers, physicists, physicians, anti-globalists, and others are warning about this.

    So, maybe you should not regret the crisis of the current system of the world economy, but welcome its collapse and take the necessary preventive measures?

    But first you need to understand the essence of the modern world order and the financial and economic system. And again think about the meaning of life, about the place of civilization of earthlings in the Universe, our attitude to the higher mind, the existence of which has already been proved by outstanding Russian and foreign scientists.
    Recall Plato’s conclusion that the Atlantean civilization perished precisely because they ceased to communicate with Heaven and were mired in luxury and pleasures?
    Russian academicians G.I. Shipov and A.E. Akimov scientifically proved not only the existence of a physical vacuum and torsion fields, but also the dependence of natural and cosmic phenomena (including catastrophic ones) on our thought activity, worldviews of humanity, the state of consciousness of the masses of people. A. Einstein came close to understanding the dependence of the state of affairs on the planet on human consciousness. ...

    The spiritual and physical dualism of man is increasingly reduced to his purely physical component. However, such a person is not needed by nature and is not pleasing to God. So - he is destined to disappear. For man was created as the image and likeness of God, and his physical existence is supported by his connection with the plant, animal world and inanimate nature. ... "


    (Note: the text is given in the original edition, subsequently hastily corrected.)

    Draw the conclusions of the colleague yourself, my firm conviction that the eternal lackey and rogue, like a worm crawled into the generals, moved his head selfishly to old age.
    1. the polar
      the polar 17 September 2013 20: 31 New
      +1
      [quote = Gloom] A. Einstein approached the understanding of the dependence of the state of affairs on the planet on human consciousness. ...

      The spiritual and physical dualism of man is reduced more and more to his purely bodily component. However, such a person is not needed by nature and is not pleasing to God. So - he is destined to disappear. For man was created as the image and likeness of God, and his physical existence is supported by his connection with the plant, animal world and inanimate nature. ... ". [/ quote]

      (Note: the text is given in the original edition, subsequently hastily corrected.)

      Draw the conclusions of the colleague yourself, my firm conviction that the eternal lackey and rogue, like a worm crawled into the generals, moved his head selfishly to old age. [/ Quote]
      Damn, well, if this is true, then this is of course a complete scribe or conscience or psyche. About the mind, you can not remember.
  21. IGS
    IGS 17 September 2013 17: 33 New
    +1
    It seems that the man is normal, but tired of: "the water is wet" ..., is there anything you can do about the case? What is really interesting, but not hackneyed phrases and templates that no longer carry an information load.
  22. SIBIR38RUS
    SIBIR38RUS 17 September 2013 17: 53 New
    +5
    America needs a war, sooo needed ... they need loot and debts need to be justified :) :) :) In Syria, they slowed down, so they will continue to climb! And they will climb when they need it, and not when someone is to blame ... USA - this is a concrete awl in the ass for many countries. If we do tear the amers, we will need to immediately look back at the next potential enemy - China. In short, as I understand it, there will be enough external problems for 2 - 3 generations of our Russian citizens .. there’s no need to relax. But, we are not used to it! Will live! Glory to Russia!!!
    1. krpmlws
      krpmlws 17 September 2013 22: 54 New
      -4
      Whom do you hope to break-amers? laughingOur success in Syria is the mistake of the United States, in the face of Obama, his Lochowski, in the spirit of Gorbi, a bummer. We won not because of our actions, but because of Obama's stupidity. Another US president, unnoticed by Russia’s remarks, would have carried out a bombing of Syria, even if punishment for allegedly “using” Syria’s chemical weapons. In any case, if he had declared his intention to bomb, he would not have taken a step back and brought the matter to its logical conclusion. Obama’s weakness, I hope that in the future our diplomats will use to the fullest. Not one we see suffering from different there Gorbi and Yeltsin.
      1. krpmlws
        krpmlws 18 September 2013 06: 20 New
        -2
        It’s true that Mr. Putin’s eyes are pricking? Well, how is it: they menacingly declared the possibility of transferring chemical weapons under the control of the world community. And on what basis, since Syria is a sovereign state? Several rusty BODs, BDKs and tugs were firmly brought into the Mediterranean Sea, they put measures in their pants " of course. "We must rejoice that they have Obama steers, not some Bush. Well, let our" government officials "take up the fight against corruption, total theft, capital flight, effective managers, agents and the 5th column. Tell me the gut is thin, it’s true, the better they are, they are happy with everything, they care about their personal gain, like most.
        1. Lockbase170
          Lockbase170 18 September 2013 09: 00 New
          0
          What the hell? Wake up! You sery!
          1. krpmlws
            krpmlws 18 September 2013 09: 57 New
            -1
            Choose expressions. Just put the minuses, apparently there are not enough brains laughing .
        2. ksan
          ksan 18 September 2013 14: 00 New
          -1
          krpmlws (1) SU Today, 06:20 ↑

          It’s true that Mr. Putin’s eyes are pricking? Well, how is it: they menacingly declared the possibility of transferring chemical weapons under the control of the world community. And on what basis, for Syria is a sovereign state?
          Based on Syria’s readiness to transfer chemical weapons under international control.
          Firmly entered into the Mediterranean Sea several rusty BOD, BDK and tugboats, measures in the pants imposed "of course"
          It may not have been “imposed” (I didn’t check it), but these “somewhat rusty BOD, BDK and tugboats” were taken into account. This is a fact fellow
          We must rejoice that they have Obama steers, not some Bush
          Yes, I think we should not be happy about who they “steers” at all. As they were the world gendarme, they will be so, whoever “steers” there.
          Well, let our “statesmen” take up the fight against corruption, total theft, capital flight, effective managers, zagagentov and the 5th column. Tell me the gut is thin, it’s true that they are better, they are happy with everything, they care about their personal gain, like most.
          Well, here Michael, I agree with you in many ways, but here everything is not so sad wink Power and society are changing, maybe not as fast as I wanted. I am sure: Russia will become a Great, civilized power, it has everything for this.
          1. krpmlws
            krpmlws 18 September 2013 20: 35 New
            +1
            Ksan, thanks for the detailed answer. 1 You don’t think that Syria is disarming under the threat of an armed strike, contrary to its will, to its national interests. Do you think this is normal? No, this is a violation of Syrian sovereignty, a violation of international standards. 2 Do you imagine our ships and Amerov’s ships, where we are and where they are. It feels like you're off topic. Yes, the ships showed the flag on the Mediterranean Sea, delivered goods to Syria. Their military capabilities are really insignificant. To reckon with what? You make statements without evidence (just like amers with their mythical evidence of the use of chemical weapons). The presence of our ships did not create any significant obstacles to aggression. That’s the main thing, not your mythical “reckoning." 3You can imagine that Reagan or Bush refuse aggression, a similar situation? Here I can’t, I wrote about this. You don’t answer directly to my thesis, don’t give arguments, talk about something of your own. 4 "She has everything for this b, "that's all? A normal government is needed for this, but we have it? No. Tell me, is it wrong? But where are these changes? The feeling that we live in different countries. How much can you expect a miracle from this government is stupid and naive. A miracle can happen when the power in a country changes, this is obvious.
      2. ksan
        ksan 18 September 2013 13: 35 New
        0
        krpmlws (1) SU Yesterday, 22:54 PM ↑

        Whom do you hope to break-amers? laughing
        What makes you think that someone is going to "break-amers"?
        Our success in Syria is the mistake of the United States, in the person of Obama, his Lochowski, in the spirit of Gorbi, a bummer. We won not because of our actions, but because of Obama's stupidity
        And the successes of one side in the "diplomatic war" consist of misses, underestimation of the enemy and the "stupidity" (as you put it) of the other side.
        1. krpmlws
          krpmlws 18 September 2013 20: 47 New
          0
          Quote: SIBIR38RUS
          America needs a war, sooo needed ... they need loot and debts need to be justified :) :) :) In Syria, they slowed down, so they will continue to climb! And they will climb when they need it, and not when someone is to blame ... USA - this is a concrete awl in the ass for many countries. If we do tear the amers, we will need to immediately look back at the next potential enemy - China. In short, as I understand it, there will be enough external problems for 2 - 3 generations of our Russian citizens .. there’s no need to relax. But, we are not used to it! Will live! Glory to Russia!!!

          1Read: “If we nevertheless tear up the amers, we will need to immediately look back at the next enemy, China.” This is what I meant. 2 In my statement, I only emphasize the idea that the situation in the White House is now unique. There’s an unusual president sitting there, like It seems to me that the concept of conscience, truth, law is not an empty phrase for him. Although he has to go on about Amer’s capital, he is nevertheless the president of the United States endowed with power and authority, including for 60 days without the sanction of the Senate to conduct armed actions. Obama did not go for it, seizing on Russia's proposal.
  23. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 17 September 2013 19: 37 New
    +3
    But, in fact, we have shown nobility. Helped Obama. And even Lavrov played on equal terms with Kerry. That is, winners and losers spoke on equal terms. This is something similar to the Battle of Poltava when Peter invited his defeated opponents to the table.

    Right now I burst into tears of emotion, only I will correct my tie and rewind my footcloths.
    You can’t trust naglosaks, their meanness and treachery are their national traits, this also applies to tanned people.
    At any time, USAA may strike Syria, spitting on all agreements, Hitler and his Germans and all sorts of Romanians also considered themselves exceptional and did not bother to comply with the treaties. Why is arrogant Saxons worse than the Führer?
    And then all the barracks will scream about the next great victory of "democracy."
    Stalin did not invite Hitler’s generals to the table; let the pig sit at the table, she and her legs on the table.
  24. alone
    alone 17 September 2013 20: 04 New
    +3
    all that is connected with the events of Syria is still ahead. It is still far from clear how this will all end. And we don’t have to rejoice in advance. How much we hated them, they still purposefully act in their interests. And about the comments of some members of the forum that Syria is forced to surrender chemical weapons to completely eliminate the possibility of a retaliatory strike. with them I agree to all 100.
    1. atalef
      atalef 18 September 2013 06: 50 New
      -3
      Quote: lonely
      hand over chemical weapons to completely eliminate the possibility of a retaliatory strike. with them I agree to all 100.

      My opinion is that Russia generally understood that in Syria it is serious and for a long time and it is completely unknown who will win there. I think the GDP with Obama just agreed (because the spread of chemical weapons around the world - if it gets to the militants) is equally dangerous for Russia. Therefore, Obama-such as moved forces, and under this case, Russia forced Assad to disarm from chemical weapons. Everyone kept their face, and the chemical weapons in the world will become smaller. The continuation of the war in Syria is also in the hands of Russia (as in the whole world), because pulls back the bulk of the militant Islamists, where they die (of course, coupled with the civilian population and Assad’s troops --- yes, who considers them all). Therefore, the saga continues. they will continue to fight for a long time (Assad’s all the same end), after the use of chemical weapons (and the UN will prove it) the LAS will appeal to the Hague court and as a war criminal will go to the bunk (he doesn’t even give an order or not) Scapegoat (when both the parties are already fed up and the superpowers decide to end the conflict) Assad on the bunks will be that lightning rod which will partially or completely calm everyone and prove the triumph of * Western * values.
      Gromova will move to Holland (there is a prison) and will be able to calmly carry programs to him, making money on them - well, say weaving lace and embroidering a cross in well in the same Ghent (there are sea tourists) laughing
  25. yurii p
    yurii p 17 September 2013 20: 55 New
    +2
    “America needs to be offered its role, its place in an already future, a new world, the beginning of which is beginning to take shape.” .... the bulldog will never become a pickenz, especially the bulldog is sick with rabies, you should not be mistaken, you just have to put them to sleep, with respect to the United States I don’t know the recipes, but something needs to be done, it’s unique.
  26. vair
    vair 17 September 2013 21: 03 New
    +1
    Quote: matRoss
    And over the ruins of the White House in Washington, the Russian flag will proudly fly!

    drinks Let it be so.
  27. VladimS
    VladimS 17 September 2013 21: 41 New
    +2
    I begin to doubt it very much already ...
    1. The arsenal that is strategically important for Syria will have to be destroyed. And how and who will compensate for the security of Syria after that at the proper level? - WE


    Well what kind of baby talk, I apologize ??
    I would have noted a strategically dangerous arsenal. Since there is an amicable agreement not to use OM, And even Hitler did not dare to give an order for its use in the conduct of hostilities. Gas chambers ... is different.
    So that there are no provocations and in this regard, arguments on the use of force by the States
    it’s better to hand over this “wick” for destruction, all the more so at the expense of others.
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 18 September 2013 02: 15 New
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      Quote: VladimS
      I would have noted a strategically dangerous arsenal.

      I would, too, but so far it has mainly saved Russia from the Yugoslav scenario. And there won’t be parity by conventional means with NATO countries, and it won’t be by any means, otherwise we’ll break it. That is for us, it is simply necessary.
    2. atalef
      atalef 18 September 2013 17: 16 New
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      Quote: VladimS
      Well what kind of baby talk, I apologize ??
      I would have noted a strategically dangerous arsenal.

      Chemical weapons are a serious factor and cannot be ignored. In war, no one knows how karta will lie down and what will be used. All soldiers with gas masks also went to the Second World War. Yes, and now the same. (But it seems like chemical weapons are forbidden) Nuclear weapons were not used the same way, however, the whole doctrine was built on it.
  28. tennis
    tennis 17 September 2013 22: 07 New
    +1
    Ivashov is a decent man and a general, there would be more of them.
  29. Semyon Albertovich
    Semyon Albertovich 17 September 2013 23: 28 New
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    Next Iran. And everyone in the world understands that only possession of nuclear weapons can protect against US aggression. Russia's authorities from the US policy of lying, not observing treaties and aggressions against independent countries should conclude: the necessary multiple increase in the nuclear arsenal.
  30. alexander 2
    alexander 2 18 September 2013 01: 22 New
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    What happened to the USA with Syria?
  31. slaventi
    slaventi 18 September 2013 01: 35 New
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    “The USA will not succeed with Iran after Syria”

    I would like to believe
  32. eplewke
    eplewke 18 September 2013 09: 06 New
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    Quote: lonely
    are you sure about the Chinese? They can easily be guaranteed that after changing the Iranian regime, deliveries will be to China with the same. Do you think the Iranian authorities are more valuable to China than foreign trade relations with Europe and the Americans? The Chinese are tricky. Vetoing does not mean that China will tearing over Iran.

    I will tell you more than that, China needs Iranian gas! And he is in huge quantities now shipped to China. Iran will NOT be, China will remain dependent on Russia, which it clearly does not want. In which China needs Pakistan! And the main ally on how to get the Pakistani market is Iran, and again its gas! So, I’m more than sure that the narrow-eyed will not surrender Irie. In vain, they deliver weapons to them, build gas pipelines, give loans, but at low rates.
  33. Shellback
    Shellback 18 September 2013 10: 03 New
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    - Can the talks between Lavrov and Kerry be considered a diplomatic victory for Russia?
    - Of course. This is a victory for Russian foreign policy.
    Well, and what is this victory? We are digging a grave for ourselves, and the Kremlin agitprom is screaming about a “victory." Can Ivashov really not understand this?
    1. ksan
      ksan 18 September 2013 14: 12 New
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      Shellback SU Today, 10:03 Well, and what is this victory? We are digging a grave for ourselves, and the Kremlin agitprom is screaming about "victory."
      What grave? What are you talking about? Wake up You are not in the Swamp area.
      1. Arabist
        Arabist 18 September 2013 15: 01 New
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        Yes, he’s probably on the Swamp around the clock. It’s like specially trained revolutionaries who are not satisfied with any election results and any actions of the authorities.
  34. Boris55
    Boris55 18 September 2013 12: 00 New
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    Grandmaster Vladimir Putin "Background"

    1. Shellback
      Shellback 18 September 2013 12: 34 New
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      Quote: Boris55
      Grandmaster Vladimir Putin "Background"

      But the flip side of the coin
      1. ksan
        ksan 18 September 2013 15: 07 New
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        Shellback SU Today, 12:34 PM ↑

        Quote: Boris55
        Grandmaster Vladimir Putin "Background"

        But the flip side of the coin
        You know, there’s a good saying: "the dog barks, but the caravan goes."
  35. Shellback
    Shellback 18 September 2013 15: 53 New
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    Quote: ksan
    You know, there’s a good saying: "the dog barks, but the caravan goes."

    And where is he going? A caravan rolls into the abyss. I would say differently, but censorship will not miss.
    1. Arabist
      Arabist 18 September 2013 15: 56 New
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      And to what abyss? If you think that the Soviet flag with one fact of its presence will raise all your abilities to the level of Soviet science, then you are severely mistaken.
      1. Shellback
        Shellback 18 September 2013 17: 07 New
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        Quote: Arabist
        And to what abyss? If you think that the Soviet flag with one fact of its presence will raise all your abilities to the level of Soviet science, then you are severely mistaken.

        If you don’t understand anything that’s happening in the country, don’t mess with your remarks. There is a bad tendency to be a gag for every comment. Think about it. And read the title of the video again.
        1. Arabist
          Arabist 18 September 2013 17: 10 New
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          Do you all understand? Are you nasty?
  36. krpmlws
    krpmlws 19 September 2013 23: 06 New
    +1
    It seems to me that a paid team operates on this forum, which trolls comments criticizing the authorities and plus supportive comments, no matter how crazy they are.