Will the Indian army get the 236 newest T-90CM?

Indian Ministry of Defense plans to purchase 236 tanks T-90S. This is reported by newindianexpress.com.

Information that India plans to acquire an additional batch of Nizhny Tagil tanks, has appeared repeatedly. Apparently, Indian arsenals will replenish the latest version of the T-90CM.

This tank has an improved reservation compared to the base machine, which makes this tank the most secure in the world. The tank is equipped with a modernized cannon, which can be used to launch guided projectiles, with the latest fire control system, with a commanding panorama. All at the disposal of the crew - three thermal imagers, which allow the tank to operate day and night, in difficult weather conditions.

Engine power 1130 HP allow the tank to maintain high mobility and autonomy.

If this transaction takes place, then India will become the first country to be armed with these new tanks. Although military experts do not exclude the purchase of a batch of these combat vehicles and the Russian Ministry of Defense.

Comments

[Trailer]

The Russian Defense Ministry is acquiring the latest Russian tanks for the army ... hmm, quite unexpected news.

[seller trucks]

How is it, nightmare, "stupid" Indians do not buy "the best" tank in the world "Oplot" but I wonder how much more time the lads of the USSR "piece of iron" will have enough?

[Darakht]

Quote: seller trucks

how is it, nightmare, "stupid" Indians do not buy the "best" tank in the world "Oplot"

The nightmare is that Russia does not purchase its T-90s, all the capacities of enterprises are clogged with foreign contracts. But what about your own army?

[eplewke]

All fittings are waiting. Instead, 300-400 pieces of the 90th series would have been riveted. I do not think that the armata will be very different from the 90s. T-90 is a great tank! And if there is a lot of it, it is a devastating force. Ps: it is better to have 200 T-90S than 20 armata ...

[Lord of the Sith]

The Russian Ground Forces already have - T-90 (K, A, AK) 520 units all modifications. Of which about 400 units T-90A (AK) and 120 units T-90 (K).

[OffenroR]

Quote: eplewke

All fittings are waiting. Instead, 300-400 pieces of the 90th series would have been riveted. I do not think that the armata will be very different from the 90s. T-90 is a great tank! And if there is a lot of it, it is a devastating force. Ps: it is better to have 200 T-90S than 20 armata ...

The tactics of the Red Army in the Great Patriotic War? 200 T-34s always bent 20 Tigers .... while losing half of theirs .... no .... not better quality but quantity.

[Just]

The story is this: in the Kursk region, in one battle, 80 obsolete T-34s were bent by 65 new Tigers. Moreover, they bent so much that they destroyed 60% of the Tigers, and the rest brought them into disrepair and captured. At the same time, they themselves lost about 40% of the tanks. Like this.
Learn the story, children.

[OffenroR]

Quote: Simpleton

The story is this: in the Kursk region, in one battle, 80 obsolete T-34s were bent by 65 new Tigers. Moreover, they bent so much that they destroyed 60% of the Tigers, and the rest brought them into disrepair and captured. At the same time, they themselves lost about 40% of the tanks. Like this.
Learn the story, children.

If from an ambush .... then it’s quite possible ..... but if it was in the field .... then it’s not possible ... The Germans would have destroyed most of the T-34 (remember Vatutin’s early attack, right in the forehead of the SS Panzer Division ... everyone knows the outcome) .... An ambush is a dangerous thing. The Germans also very efficiently burned Is-2 from the cheapest faustpatrons ... again from an ambush. With the right use of even the simplest weapons, you can stop the enemy, even if he has only one child prodigy.

[Alekseev]

Quote: Daraht

The nightmare is that Russia does not purchase its T-90s,

If in the near future a sufficient number of MBTs on the so-called Armata platform will go to the troops, then there will be no nightmare.
Anyway, the main nightmare in the absence of proper order in the tank and other troops. As in the absence of a clear understanding of what kind of army do we need? In particular, how much and for which tasks MBT is needed, etc.

[Lord of the Sith]

In the Ground Forces of Russia - T-90 (K, A, AK) 520 units all modifications. Of which about 400 units T-90A (AK) and 120 units T-90 (K).

[edge]

Quote: Sith Lord

In the Russian Ground Forces - T-90 (K, A, AK) 520 units of all modifications. Of these, about 400 units of T-90A (AK) and 120 units of T-90 (K)

and this is in addition to the 80s, 72s, 64s

[piotr534]

The nightmare is that Russia does not purchase its T-90s, all the capacities of enterprises are clogged with foreign contracts. But what about your own army?

Russia is not India, other tasks and strategy. Russia will still stretch for some time on what is before the release of the new platform and begin to purchase more promising samples. In any case, the Indian order is in our favor, capacity utilization and development money.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

oh guys ... first of all, OLYMPIAD, secondly, the Far East is washed away, thirdly, THIEF is not childish ... how can I find money for these tanks?

[Ukraine]

Sober comment. In Ukra also with the defense industry.

[Apollo]

Quote: Ukraine

Sober comment. AT Ukre also with the defense industry.

I don’t know such a country. For the future, do me a favor, write the name of the state that you mention completely or don’t mention at all. It will be much better.

[Alex 241]

Yes, this is yesterday's troll.

[edge]

Quote: Daraht

all the capacities of enterprises are clogged with foreign contracts. But what about your own army?

and its own is waiting for a promising development for those tasks.

[Just]

Somewhere slipped recently - in 2014 they bought 200 tanks for the Russian army.

[Algor73]

They do not buy "the best" Oplot ", but look closely at the" T-90SM, which has no analogues "for the reason that since the times of the USSR, T-55 and T-72 were purchased in large quantities. Since the T-90 of early modifications did not differ from modernized T-72 tanks, they began to buy these tanks. Why should they change the unification? "Abrams" and "Leopards" are also not bad tanks, India does not buy them either. In addition, Pakistan bought the T-80UD, which also receives vehicle kits for their own tank, and this is already a direct competitor, if not an enemy.

[kenig1]

Because there was an embargo on the supply of military equipment to India and China. A few years ago they just took it off.

[kenig1]

embargo by NATO.

[xetai9977]

With "Arjun" it seems that things were not going well. It seems like they were going to put on a series, then they canceled, then they reanimated again ...

[seller trucks]

Quote: Algor73

about the reason that since the days of the USSR T-55 and T-72 were purchased in large quantities.

everything is simpler and rhetorical, he tries ... nobody needs anyone, even the Chinese

[zennon]

[

"Abrams" and "Leopards" are also not bad tanks, India does not buy them either.

Ask about the price of "not bad" tanks. But what is interesting is that they do not take the vaunted Arjun Mk.II?

[Kars]

Quote: zennon

.And what’s interesting is that they don’t take praises from Arjun Mk.II?

A strange question - Arjun 2 is still undergoing tests, and therefore does not take it.

[zennon]

A strange question - Arjun 2 is still undergoing tests, and therefore does not take it.

Nothing strange. The mass production of the Arjun Mk.II tank is scheduled for 2014. So what ... are they going to take the T-90SM? After all, it will not be delivered tomorrow, however, they picked the Mk.I for 37 years, and bought only 124 pieces . Here so ...

[zennon]

In addition to the comment:
http://gurkhan.blogspot.ru/2012/08/2.html
I especially want to note that this is a translation of an Indian article.

[Yemelya]

Poor Indians caught in BT slavery

[Jorg]

Do not be contemptuous of other people's experience and merit.
How do you grill the lads now produce engines for airplanes and helicopters, to which our craftsmen like to China know how.
The Chinese are buying, by the way, their tank diesel, which they consider better than German.
Morozov School of Tank Engineering made a huge contribution to the development of domestic armored vehicles.
Is it not there that the father of all our mildly childish pieces 80 and t-72 was created, the adoption of which bypassing Ustinov with falsification of documentation was essentially a state crime?
The engines of these guys are purchased by us, in particular for the k-52 helicopter.
Think about it.

[kenig1]

Uncle T-72 was developed by Uralvagonzavod, and T-80 was developed in several modifications both in Leningrad and in Kharkov.

[seller trucks]

Quote: Jorg

How do you grill lads now produce engines for planes and helicopters

you know (since we switched to "YOU") the main buyer has always been Russia, those bones that get from the master's table to Ukrainians are tears, Malyshev's plant teeters on the brink of bankruptcy:

http://topwar.ru/21341-bankrotstvo-harkovskogo-zavoda-imeni-malysheva-komu-eto-v
ygodno.html

Motor Sich "lives" at the expense of "Russian Helicopters", the KRAZ plant is likely to go bankrupt this year (my forecast)

Earlier I was worried about it, now "near the birds" it looks like you deserve it

[Jorg]

I can do it for you, it’s not difficult for me.
Who lives at whose expense, the question is different and does not apply to the topic.
The fact that our grief tank building leaders contemptuously speak about their colleagues from Ukraine is puzzling.
No need to prove or argue whose products are better or worse.
Less arrogance and self-conceit, more respect.
Collaboration, exchange of ideas, etc. - this is the key to the success of our armored vehicles abroad.
And then this endless series of modernization, half measures, would finally end.

All these pathetic attempts at remodeling are like resuscitation of a corpse.
136 power- and laughter and sin. And how much pump!
One and a half thousand Ukrainian engines in Chinese.
It smiles at me.

[seller trucks]

Quote: Jorg

I can do it for you, it’s not difficult for me.

and thanks for that

Quote: Jorg

The fact that our grief tank building leaders contemptuously speak about their colleagues from Ukraine is puzzling.

Uncle, today Ukraine is a direct Russian (and not only) competitor on the arms market, if you recall a number of tenders in which the Ukrainians "carried us" through open dumping on prices and delivery terms, I would not forgive that. if you also take into account the fact that the Americans, almost free of charge, were transferred to the secret development of air defense, radar, aviation, it is not enough to shoot for this. so wonder further.

[Jorg]

I, dear, about one thing, you about the other.
Do not go away from the topic.
Who what to whom when and how much has sold, is the tenth thing and does not apply to the discussion.
Maybe you, dear then, and list how much damage we have caused your own reformers, innovators and others like them?
How much is sold drunk?
Our leadership !!!! it caused damage to the state such that, in comparison with it, Ukrainian dumping, babble, and even then shoot a little, then you can safely hang 90 percent of the country's leadership on telegraph poles!
Listen to you, the halo is already hovering over the Kremlin)
Do you blame Ukraine for competition?
Are you kidding me?
And why should she not compete, I don’t understand something?
Is that a crime?
There is no need to personalize a country with individuals and even more so, killer whales, to reduce data on other topics to the issue under discussion, if you do not shine with competency

[escobar]

I can do it for you, it’s not difficult for me.
Who lives at whose expense, the question is different and does not apply to the topic.
The fact that our grief tank building leaders contemptuously speak about their colleagues from Ukraine is puzzling.
No need to prove or argue whose products are better or worse.
Less arrogance and self-conceit, more respect.
Collaboration, exchange of ideas, etc. - this is the key to the success of our armored vehicles abroad.
And then this endless series of modernization, half measures, would finally end.

All these pathetic attempts at remodeling are like resuscitation of a corpse.
136 power- and laughter and sin. And how much pump!
One and a half thousand Ukrainian engines in Chinese.
It smiles at me.

SIMPLY GOLDEN WORDS.

[Jorg]

I can do it for you, it’s not difficult for me.
Who lives at whose expense, the question is different and does not apply to the topic.
The fact that our grief tank building leaders contemptuously speak about their colleagues from Ukraine is puzzling.
No need to prove or argue whose products are better or worse.
Less arrogance and self-conceit, more respect.
Collaboration, exchange of ideas, etc. - this is the key to the success of our armored vehicles abroad.
And then this endless series of modernization, half measures, would finally end.

All these pathetic attempts at remodeling are like resuscitation of a corpse.
136 power- and laughter and sin. And how much pump!
One and a half thousand Ukrainian engines in Chinese.
It smiles at me.

[Basileus]

Uh ... Did they learn to design engines during the time of independence?

[Sergey_K]

Do not throw beads before ...

[kostya_a]

Quote: seller trucks

"stupid" Indians do not buy the "best" tank in the world "Oplot"

Who says he's the best ?? It exists in several instances!

[Kars]

Well, the Indians did not have much choice. The USSR built the T-72 assembly plant, and India had 2000 T-72 in service with India. So, the succession is understandable.

[Yemelya]

Quote: Kars

Well, the Indians did not have much choice. The USSR built the T-72 assembly plant, and India had 2000 T-72 in service with India. So, the succession is understandable.

The sun rises and sets, just do not appease the sorrow of the Indians, they fell into eternal bondage from UVZ (the Indian national dance follows).

[Kars]

Quote: Emelya

The sun rises and sets, just do not appease the sorrow of the Indians, they fell into eternal bondage from UVZ (the Indian national dance follows).

Well, what to do? Consider how much money go, well, for example, to Leopard (I’m not going to bring the Oplot), how many people are retraining, material supplies, ammunition, spare parts. So it is very similar to bondage, and here Arjun does not get it.

[seller trucks]

Quote: kostya_a

Who says he's the best ?? It exists in several instances!

http://alternathistory.org.ua/samye-luchshie-osnovnye-boevye-tanki-mira-na-2012-

god

First place ranking - the main battle tank T-84 BM Oplot (Ukraine)

After modeling the oncoming battle of the tank battalion to the battalion, it was possible to determine for the results that the first place in the ranking is occupied only by one tank - the Ukrainian T-84 BM Oplot, who managed to win all 12 victories in all twelve simulated battlescarried out with all tested tanks.

they modeled T-90 did not enter the top three, the lads awarded us an honorable fourth place

[Pilat2009]

Quote: seller trucks

First place ranking - the main battle tank T-84 BM Oplot (Ukraine)

I think that if the Chinese modeled, they would take first place

[maxvet]

Quote: seller trucks

T-90 did not enter the top three, the lads awarded us an honorable fourth place

please tell me with whom we share this place?

[Kars]

Quote: maxvet

please tell me with whom we share this place?

any whim
http://topwar.ru/23255-samye-luchshie-osnovnye-boevye-tanki-mira-na-2012-god.htm
l

[LINX]

Is this serial "Thai" ???? but no video ???

Quote: Kars

any whim

[Kars]

Yes, they threw it in. As for the video, I didn’t look if it honestly can already be. The director gave an interview.

[Alex 241]

Andrew welcome the Chinese type 99 video found.

[Alex 241]

................

[Zhenya]

seller trucks We have at least one T-90MS in our troops ????? NO!! So, your nonsense about Oploty is simply ridiculous. Until the Ministry of Defense buys from the RF Armed Forces, it's too much to say.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

does India seem to have a T-90 licensed assembly?

[Ukraine]

I bought Thailand. Only I don’t understand schadenfreude. Or do you know how to fight only with Georgians? You found an enemy, it’s not even interesting. The bulava doesn’t fly, the boats are burning, you have been repairing one aircraft carrier for India for 100 years. But ambition ... Or I was wrong somewhere , did not tell the truth. You correct, I agree, we are not proud. This is you, "great." Serbia still considers itself "great", but the facts are the opposite.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Ukraine

The mace does not fly, boats burn, one aircraft carrier for India has been repairing for 100 years

What are you boiling over? Will we be measured again with pussy? Do you have something to fly? When Ukraine’s pride goes to sea? First you will sort it out with your maidan. We think you have overcome your 90s, and you still have it ahead. They want to produce everything in Russia correctly deal with you - it's more expensive

[Ukraine]

Thailand bought. If only the Indians wouldn’t return the T-90 back, you cannot modernize an aircraft carrier for 100 years without Ukraine, the mace does not fly, the man’s population is dying to the root. But you laugh from the lads. First, look in the mirror and look at the log from your eyes, it’s better from both.

[FireFly]

Not the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, but the Ministry of Defense of India. For my surprises will not be

[Armata]

And who would doubt it. Already an order for 100 Т90С tanks lies and is being implemented for the Hindus. And so is it possible that it can be brought to T90СМ in a day? purely neighing so. Someone then laid out to me that another Moder from Adventure called me a liar. And how will all this be justified now? but I do not forget evil.

[svp67]

Quote: Mechanic

And who would doubt it. Already an order for 100 T90S tanks lies and is being implemented. And so, Nitsche that it can be brought to T90SM in a day?

And to us, to us, that, besides Indian money, it will fall, well, at least one brigade ...

[Armata]

Quote: svp67

And to us, to us, that, besides Indian money, it will fall, well, at least one brigade ...

Russia refused to buy T90 in any trim levels. Now we are waiting for Armata (which by the way will not be in the next 5-7 years)

[klimpopov]

So, has Armata been "shown" to a limited circle? As promised? Or is there nothing to show yet?
Greetings!

[leon-iv]

Or is there nothing to show?

Show the cart with the layout of the tower. Then they will roll it back and will continue sawing while trying to shove the uncanny. We do not need a new T-64? Moreover, in the coming years 10 tank hordes we do not need.

[Armata]

Quote: klimpopov

So, has Armata been "shown" to a limited circle? As promised? Or is there nothing to show yet?

I already wrote what they promised on 25 of September, at a closed show. but it turned out that they did not have time (they give me at least a little rest) Vova and Dima will not come to the exhibition. Only Ragozin will arrive. There will be no Almaty and there will be no Kurgan. Of the new products, only the 72 platform has been redone for the 2 Terminator.

[klimpopov]

Thanks for the answer. And terminator 2 what kind of beast, the "tower" is the same?

[Armata]

Quote: klimpopov

And terminator 2 what kind of beast, the "tower" is the same?

The 2 Terminator is based on 72, and the Terminator is based on 90 and the module is the same, the module control is slightly changed, in 72 there are no such possible electronic controls as in 90.

[klimpopov]

A, clear. Vobschem budget version? Do you understand correctly?

[Warrawar]

Quote: klimpopov

So, has Armata been "shown" to a limited circle? As promised? Or is there nothing to show yet?
Greetings!

The closed show will be 25-28 September, this year.
http://rae2013.ru/ru/expo/index.php

[Armata]

Quote: Warrawar

The closed show will be 25-28 September, this year.

Believe me, it will not.

[101]

Because they immediately warned. This is a terrible secret and you can’t see it. You can see when they’ll do it, but it will not be a secret

[leon-iv]

T90 purchases in any trim levels

To be honest, quite a logical and correct step. Let the combatant T-72 finish up to the level of a slingshot. Now the fleet and the air force are more important. What the message world events prove.

[Armata]

Quote: leon-iv

To be honest, quite a logical and correct step. Let the drill T-72 finish up to the level of a slingshot.

Darova dear. Slingshots will not and will not do it. All the money went to supply the Hindus and Armata.

[leon-iv]

Hindu supply

And they don’t pay cheat?
Threat sorry that he did not answer calls was in fraternal urkain, and the computer setruha used when she came to monitor the snail.

[Armata]

Quote: leon-iv

And they don’t pay cheat?

They pay upon delivery and testing.

Quote: leon-iv

sorry that he did not answer calls was in fraternal urkain, and the computer setruha used when she came to monitor the snail.

Well, how did you rest? You're not a crest, are you?

[leon-iv]

They pay upon delivery and testing.

ok means we get the loot.

Well, how did you rest?

fine. Kiev is beautiful.

You're not a crest, are you?

The wife of the ear Mr. Vasilkov, Kiev region.
Threat funny from the life of Urkaina. Vasilkovsky airfield is 80% owned by private owners. 29-3 machines fly from the Mig-4 regiment, which were washed down to the European Football Championship. And this is the southwestern cover of Kiev. Relative wife technician from there. He says they look at the Russian army with undisguised envy.

[Lord of the Sith]

I highly recommend you not distort the name of the countries.

[Regis]

He sometimes writes with typos) Could and unconsciously do it)

[bask]

Quote: leon-iv

priority fleet and air force. What the message world events prove.

Leon’s world events in Syria show. What is the priority link in the storming of cities and fortified militant areas. Are tanks, and engineering armored vehicles.

[svp67]

Quote: Mechanic

Russia refused to buy T90 in any trim levels. Now we are waiting for Armata (which by the way will not be in the next 5-7 years)

In vain, in vain, in vain ... you need your own experience in operating these tanks, not a stranger, and it will be much easier to sell them this way ...

[Armata]

Quote: svp67

In vain, in vain, in vain ...

This is a question for the highly beloved MO, and not for us.

[bask]

Quote: Mechanic

This is a question for the highly beloved MO, and not for us.

In short, we don’t see new armored vehicles, until at least 20 years old, as our own ....
Conversely, if that, we’ll fight with the old. Bearing heroic losses. And not just one su ****, but will not be punished for this.
And the Hindus on

the latest T-90SM?

Where do billions of budget funds go to rearm the army?
Taburetkina removed. Now who's stopping to buy new tanks. Until the 20th year, we still have to survive, in peace, without war.
Again saw earned ?????

[Aleks tv]

Quote: bask

Now who is stopping to buy new tanks. Until the 20 year, we still need to survive, in the world, without war.

To the very point, Andrey ...
We’ll run around the border with advertising brochures of Almaty, maybe the adversary will be scared ...
In the meantime - on ... the same technique.

We got the politicians and the General Staff of the Ministry of Defense. They would serve themselves and put them on horseback on the BMP-2 ... Better "on a stake" (there is some on the roof), otherwise they can escape.

[bask]

Quote: Aleks tv

They got it. They themselves would serve and astride BMP-2 to land ...

Hi Lesh.
It's a shame and there is no EBN, but everything repeats.
Like a war, we pay the lives of ordinary boys. And ,, elite ,, zhiruet with ****. Words are not one mate ...
The new armored vehicles in the ZERO troops. And they are not going to buy. But from all the media, they yell, all in chocolate.

[Alex 241]

Andryukh, Seryozha, hello to whom the cabbage soup is thicker, to whom the pearls are larger, the fire at the Tomsk nuclear submarine has just been reported in the news.

[bask]

Quote: Alex 241

stub, they just reported in the news, the fire on the nuclear submarine

Good evening Sasha.
It seems they put out, Thank God, there are no dead - this is the main thing.
How can welding be done in such a way that a nuclear submarine is set on fire ???

[Alex 241]

Andryukh, but how do some politicians check the filling of the tank with a lighter, and you yourself can’t count such cases.

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Alex 241

fire at the Tomsk nuclear submarine.

Hi Sasha.

This is "Baton" ...
I hope that the sailors did not suffer and the ship itself ...

[Alex 241]

Hi Lesh, naval problems around the world today, in Washington, in the Admiralty, five were injured.

[bask]

"In some significant way, this fire did not affect the equipment of the boat," said Defense Minister General of the Russian Army Sergei Shoigu.
According to him, the alleged cause of the fire is a safety violation.
At 04.30 Moscow time on the boat K-150 "Tomsk" there was a fire not inside the boat, but the boat's skin. The alleged reason is the violation of safety measures during the work, "he said." "[Media = http: //www.mk.ru/politics/news/2013/09/16/916105-shoygu-po
zhar-na-podlodke-tomsk-ne-isportil-ee-equipment.htm]
If you don’t lie ....
There are no skilled workers, this is the whole point.

[crocodile25]

We already have enough tanks now, more than 10000 thousand do not go into any gates.

[kenig1]

We have the T-90A in the army, and the T-90s is an export version.

[Armata]

Quote: kenig1

We have the T-90A in our army, and the T-90 with an export version

How much total?

[leon-iv]

And the Indians that pens from a non-place grow? Can’t you collect them yourself?
As I understand it, kits for modernization are already in tagil?

[svp67]

Quote: Mechanic

And who would doubt

All 256 pieces will be collected from you, or as usual - the first batch from you, the rest of your machine kits in the homeland of elephants ...

[Kars]

Quote: Mechanic

. And so, Nitsche that it can be brought to T90SM in a day?

Something I did not understand - is it sarcasm, a hyperbole, or is it really that a package of modifications to MS is so easy to install?

[Armata]

Quote: Kars

Something I did not understand - is it sarcasm, a hyperbole, or is it really that a package of modifications to MS is so easy to install?

Hello dear. Really easy to assemble. Well, maybe not in a day, in the field it is installed within 4-5 days.

[Dmitry 2246]

Tank builders need to give more money for promising developments while the Indian order is being fulfilled, and then Armata will "ripen".
The guys need to be financially and socially elevated - they do important work during this time, we can hide from the air.

[Kars]

Quote: Mechanic

Well, maybe not in a day, in the field it is established within 4-5 days.

I can’t say anything here, but to install everything, I need at least to have spare parts, units-- and I doubt that they are in warehouses.

High-16 combat module
automated OMS 12
Machine gun installation 16
Dynamic and integrated 16
protection 24
Powerplant 16
with forced 16
engine V-92S2F 28
Automatic 16
gear shift. sixteen
Helm control 16
turn 29
Management complex 16
interaction 30
Outdoor system 16
observation commander 32
Tank commander hatch 16
with original kinematics 16
openings 33
High-16 combat module
automated OMS 12
High precision gun 16
2A46M-5 14
Machine gun installation 16
Highly Automated 16
fire control system 18
Digital equipment 16
image processing 16
with automatic function 16
target tracking 20
Crew Jobs 22
Anti-tank defense 16
funds 24
Insulated compartment 16
for additional 16
ammunition 26
Automated system 16
setting curtains (system 16
high precision protection 16
weapons) 27
Powerplant 6
with forced
28 engine V-92S2F
Automatic 16
gear shift.
Pcs
29 corner control
Auxiliary 16
34 diesel generator set
Management complex
30 interaction
Outdoor system 16
32 commander observations
33 Luke commander

[Armata]

Quote: Kars

I can’t say anything here, but to install everything, I need at least to have spare parts, units-- and I doubt that they are in warehouses.

I'm talking about what is not. We have not yet supplies, nor tanks themselves. But in the conditions of testing it is real.

[kostya_a]

In-in, one more person is in solidarity with me!

[Argon]

Dear Kars, what is the issue? The hull and tower are in fact different (on the only one that exists), the tower is two-volume.

[kostya_a]

Didn't understand something ?? The point is that the T90S should be upgraded in 4-5 days to the T90SM level ??? And even in the field? Rave! The T90SM is an export version of the Breakthrough T90AM. It has a new combat module, instead of DZ "Contact V", there is DZ "Relic", then an automatic transmission, another control (if I am not mistaken, the steering wheel and not the levers) and a new engine has been installed, and so on for the rest. If it is about this, then it is not real!

[Armata]

Quote: kostya_a

Rave! The T90SM is an export version of the Breakthrough T90AM. Have

Well, tell us about the supply of armored vehicles? And what is the difference between T90 and T90СМ (supposedly just for export) (well, to the heap of T90MS), well, to the heap how many T90 we have and how many T890 MS delivered abroad

[Darakht]

A mechanic, if not a military secret, how many tanks did the Russian Ministry of Defense order, naturally, for the Russian army?

[Armata]

Quote: Daraht

A mechanic, if not a military secret, how many tanks did the Russian Ministry of Defense order, naturally, for the Russian army?

Not a secret. Rono 0 for this and next year.

[saber]

tank per day ?! you bent it! tea is not t34!

[Anatole Klim]

A good tank, we can only rejoice for the Indians and for our defense industry.

[Vadivak]

The Indian Ministry of Defense plans to purchase 236 T-90S tanks.


Yah? But what about the descendant of the fighting Indian elephant Arjun? He is damn faster and more reliable and more beautiful

[svp67]

Quote: Vadivak

He is damn faster and more reliable and more beautiful

I would take these characteristics in "" ...

[Vadivak]

Quote: svp67

I would take these characteristics in "" ..

What for? Here is a quote from the Indian press

While the Indian army conducted comparative tests of the Indian tank Arjun and the Russian T-90S, the Indian side was shocked by the low combat effectiveness of the Russian tank. The Indian tank Arjun completely surpassed the Russian tank T-90C in every key parameter. Military comparative tests showed that India’s purchase of T-90S tanks in Russia was a terrible mistake 2012


Apparently they forgot how they demanded the T-90, Ruslans from Koltsovo drove as they wanted.

In the picture, Bishma T-90S

[svp67]

Quote: Vadivak

Apparently they forgot how they demanded the T-90, Ruslans from Koltsovo drove as they wanted.

This article is another customized article, the Indian market is very "tasty" and the struggle for it will not be a joke ... In this case, the "German ears" stick out ...

[svp67]

Quote: Vadivak

the Indian side was shocked by the low combat effectiveness of the Russian tank

For 20 years they have been "torturing" their "war elephant", well, one must "save face ..."

[Vadivak]

Quote: svp67

For 20 years they have been "torturing" their "war elephant", well, one must "save face ..."

Yes, this is an elephant, sorry Arjun understand. Why should we soar about our achievements?

[Black Colonel]

Ndya, military little things with beads are impressive!

[Yemelya]

Quote: Black Colonel

Ndya, military little things with beads are impressive!

We also love this.

[Vityaz68]

ahh, super !!

[maxvet]

Quote: Emelya

We also love this.

demobilization tank?

[eplewke]

more beautiful due to flashlights, bells and beads ....

[tilovaykrisa]

First, they will wait for the Indians to us, but they are already on fire.

[rugor]

experts do not rule out the acquisition of a batch of these combat vehicles and the Russian Ministry of Defense.

, this is a joke?

[Aleks tv]

T-90cm is a good car.
Here somehow lies the soul to her ...
Initially, such a modernization would have gotten nasty, it would have been very nice.

If the Indians buy SM - well done, understand a lot.
And with Arjun they have problems.

[Armata]

hi Alesay. You better think about our problems. Otherwise, we will fight on 72 (and we have a lot of them).

[Vadivak]

Quote: Mechanic

Otherwise, we will fight on 72 (and we have a lot of them).

How is snow in Siberia?

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Mechanic

Otherwise, we will fight on 72 (and we have a lot of them).

Greetings, Eugene.

If our people buy at least the T-90ms Brigadic equipment, as Sergey (svp67) wrote, it will already be indefatigable happiness ...
It is still weak to believe in it.

the stool with the macaroni was decided after all, that the B3 version would be enough for the tankers for the eyes and it would be the main one ...
czl ...

[smersh70]

Quote: Aleks tv

T-90cm is a good car.

.. I would like to clarify one thing ... the hull of the T-72 and T-90 towers are the same .. or there are differences .. because of the armor plates on the tower I can’t distinguish ..... thanks in advance ...

[Aleks tv]

Quote: smersh70

the hull of the T-72 and T-90 towers are the same .. or there are differences ..

Vurgun, unfortunately I cannot precisely answer this question, not the designer.
There are a lot of modifications of the T-72 (as many as two "Objects" 172m and 184m), I suspect that there are differences in the hull, turret, pursuit.

Those. to the question - is it possible all T-72 upgrade to T-90ms? I won’t be able to answer correctly.

[svp67]

Quote: Aleks tv

Those. to the question - is it possible to upgrade all T-72 to the level of T-90ms? I won’t be able to answer correctly.

Perhaps only in this case there will be a hull, with a piece of equipment and a running gear, everything else is for replacement ... But even so, it will be cheaper if released from scratch.

[T80UM1]

The towers are different, in the T-72 it is molded in the T-90 welded, superior in armor resistance by 3 times without DZ.

[svp67]

Quote: Aleks tv

Here somehow lies the soul to her ...

I don’t know why, but also ... Beautiful and harmonious, but such a tank cannot be bad ... With such a tank, one could have waited for the "Armata" and in the end would have come to a single MBT

[mirag2]

First, to the Indians, and then to their money, to us. :) Actually, this is excellent, if only the deal did not break ...

[Hort]

here, in fact, if only they would spend money from the Indians later on equipping their own, and not as usual, they would shove their pockets ...

[NOMADE]

Damn, that's fine ... And when will we arm ourselves with new cars? We can only write off the T-80

[wolves]

MDAAA ALREADY INDIA ALREADY POSSIBLE POWERFUL OF OUR ARMY WELL OR SOON SOON WILL BECOME

[Sergeant]

If only you spend the money you get from the deal on your weapons, and not on the "left".

[olegff68]

Well, if this is true and these tanks will begin to enter the RA, then we will seriously believe that in the Moscow Region there were employees who have not only greed, but also the brain !!!

[darksoul]

We have everything according to the old pattern, through ... well, the newest first to a stranger then to his own, it is clear that the Indian market is very important for us, but .... I hope the armature when I finish letting the troops go and not walking around the world

[Ivan79]

Beautiful car. But in his troops, of course, it is more necessary. Or will we immediately buy Armata?

[Sirs]

good news. but I think we are interested in armata.

[Alikovo]

depressing news: we sell to everyone, but not to ourselves.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

India is arming itself at an accelerated pace (although not to say that the rich) are going to fight ?? With whom?

[leon-iv]

With whom?

Khetai and Paxa there will be a sharing of water. And it will be stronger than oil.

[avg]

How with whom? With Pakistan in the first place, with China in the second, well, and even the little things.
So let's see how the Indian (Russian), against the Pakistani (Ukrainian) show themselves

[sds555]

Quote: Alikovo

depressing news: we sell to everyone, but not to ourselves.

I’ll support it! When they’ll finish Armata, and the T-90cm wouldn’t be in the army (I mean at what pace we are moving from developments to the series)

[Apollo]

video footage in the topic

[Armata]

Darova dear. We do not have T90SM "Breakthrough". So far, only in single copies for the exhibition. And we don't have Terminators, Kazakhs have, but we don't In general, there is already "Tagilets", only there are only 2 of them in the whole of Russia.

[Yemelya]

And what is "Tagilets"?

[Armata]

Quote: Emelya

And what is "Tagilets"?

This is a new modification of T90, only one last year stood as a monument at the exhibition, and the second did not go further than the landfill.

[Yemelya]

Quote: Mechanic

This is a new modification of T90, only one last year stood as a monument at the exhibition, and the second did not go further than the landfill.

Is it like the T-90M, without the letter "C"? Or what?

[Armata]

No, this is the T90 MS Tagil. excuse me, we call him Tagilets.

[Yemelya]

Quote: Mechanic

No, this is the T90 MS Tagil. excuse me, we call him Tagilets.

Even then I didn't understand what the T-90MS "Breakthrough" is and how does it differ from the T-90MS "Tagil"?

[Armata]

Quote: Emelya

Even then I didn't understand what the T-90MS "Breakthrough" is?

Marking MC and CM means slightly different configurations and modifications.

[Yemelya]

Quote: Mechanic

Marking MC and CM means slightly different configurations and modifications.

And what are the differences?

[Armata]

MS modified special. CM serial modified. That’s enough.

[Yemelya]

Quote: Mechanic

MS modified special. CM serial modified.

Um .. um .. um .. "serial modified" ... is that directly called?

Previous export modification - T-90CA, for the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation - T-90A

Following this logic, a modernized one for the Russian Federation should be called either T-90M or T-90B, for export - T-90MS or T-90SM.

As I understand it, you think that the T-90СМ is for the Russian Federation.

Anything can happen...

And what are the differences between MS and SM, except for the name?

[Armata]

Quote: Emelya

As I understand it, you think that the T-90СМ is for the Russian Federation.

Anything can happen...

And what are the differences between MS and SM, except for the name?

I don’t think I am making stands for testing these tanks and assemblies for assembly. but what you want to hear by the difference, contact mega experts. The difference is indicated on the marking.

[clairessn]

funny and ashamed of such news!

[Mhpv]

While we are arguing which tank is better, the first part of the tank biathlon shown showed that the most trained mechanics are drivers. The shooting is far from high, so the T90 is on the biathlon and we will see how much better it is on the same 72.

[Andrew 447]

I absolutely agree. What I showed on RTR, but I can’t call it a shame. I have the impression that these are not the best crews of the districts, but the issue of training.

[Kars]

Quote: Andrey 447

.That showed on RTR,

By the way, yesterday I downloaded. I looked - especially the leading prestress.
I'm certainly not a tanker, but just an amateur - but honestly I was very disappointed. I did not quite imagine everything.


And yes, the constant annoying --- the picture from the UAV, the picture from the UAV.

[Argon]

The news is more like gossip, I mean about the modification of the SM, the car is too "different" for the Indians to rush to buy it without testing. And India, in general, is not interested in buying, their interest in assembling on their territory, as a maximum - licensed production, and this is a new contract unambiguously. Most likely they will buy more assembly kits "Eski" and that will be the limit.

[Yemelya]

Interestingly, the Indians want the same configuration that is being demonstrated.

I got the impression that the T-90SM is a tank for local conflicts.

Without PAZ (at least, the lining is not visible), an ATV, a heavy machine gun, with a BK box behind the tower, grills.

The Hindus, as I understand it, need a tank primarily for a full-fledged war. Then the T-90MS will have to be redone. Add a lining / nibble, the entire BC in the body.

[Jorg]

Do not be contemptuous of other people's experience and merit.
How do you grill the lads now produce engines for airplanes and helicopters, to which our craftsmen like to China know how.
The Chinese are buying, by the way, their tank diesel, which they consider better than German.
Morozov School of Tank Engineering made a huge contribution to the development of domestic armored vehicles.
Is it not there that the father of all our mildly childish pieces 80 and t-72 was created, the adoption of which bypassing Ustinov with falsification of documentation was essentially a state crime?
The engines of these guys are purchased by us, in particular for the k-52 helicopter

[Starover_Z]

But just do not sell the license for the production of CM! It is enough that they were sold a license for the T-90S. And let them buy SM. Our workers also need to eat. Do not like that they do not give permission for production, let them release their "war elephant". And not from our metal!

[krpmlws]

We need to buy t-90cm, when we’ll bring Armata to serial production. Similarly, according to other armored vehicles, we’re all waiting for it. One Shaman does a good job of pushing an airborne infantry fighting vehicle, and apparently everyone is happy with everything .

[kostya_a]

In 2010-2011, a decision was made to stop the procurement of T-90, BTR-90, BTR-80, BMD-4, BMP-3. According to the new concept of armored forces, three types of brigades will be created: "light", "medium" and "heavy" - they will differ in the composition of equipment and use. Heavy - this will be the main tank "Armata", a heavy armored personnel carrier based on the platform "Armata", an SPG based on the Armata! The middle one will be developed on the basis of the Kurganets tracked platform and the spike Boomerang. Easy, if I'm not mistaken on the basis of "Tiger", "Lynx" and the like! These will be unified platforms. For this reason, modernized T-90, BTR-90, BTR-80, BMD-4, BMP-3, etc. are not being purchased now. By the way, "Terminator" also did not interest the military for the same reason. there was no understanding of what to attribute it to. Either create a separate brigade, or have it in each company! In the end, they decided to postpone, but the Terminator will appear in the army anyway, but in a performance close to the requirements of the Ministry of Defense!

[krpmlws]

Why retell the well-known Serdyukovy infu? And when will this happiness be launched into the series? Do you really believe in the need for light crews? Now the plants are idle without state orders and we will be like shipbuilders: there are no personnel, there are no capacities, the connections are broken, low quality, violation of technology etc. The lack of a stable state order for armored vehicles is a crime.

[wolves]

hmm, the army of India is probably already stronger than ours, 236 of the most advanced domestic novelties to sell INDIA is a betrayal of OU AND THROUGH INDIA AND IN THE USA ANYTHING COUPLE THE TROIKA WILL LEAVE TO STUDY AND CHECK MDAA AT ALL IN A NORMAL COUNTRY IT WILL BE FIRST TIME OPEN LESS THAN IN INDIA AND THERE IS A NEW TANK YES AND MORE AND 90 PIECES WHERE THERE IS INDIA WHY IT HAS SO MANY TANKS !!!!!

[Sergey Medvedev]

Quote: kostya_a

In 2010-2011, a decision was made to stop the procurement of T-90, BTR-90, BTR-80, BMD-4, BMP-3.

The decision is clearly hostile, made with a stool. As a result, tank building is idle. Foreign orders allow our commissar to survive. And hold out to Almaty with Kurgan.

[kostya_a]

Yes, why the enemy is not in the matter. Today, the armored forces number 13 tanks in accordance with the Treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe of November 300, 19. The point is to buy the very same T1990 only with a new filling, if they do not fit into the new concept of tank building. During the Georgian-Ossetian war 72 from Russia participated in the modernized T-08.08.2008M. And they successfully worked on the T-62 modernized by Isaril! So it’s not technology that defines war, but people!

[heruv1me]

Damn, I also want this ...

[maxvet]

neighbors nightmare? down the stairwell?

[Druid]

Quote: wolvey

TO STUDY

Chinese microchips?

Quote: seller trucks

how is it, nightmare, "stupid" Indians do not buy the "best" tank in the world "Oplot"

Quote: Algor73

They do not buy "the best" Oplot ", but look closely at the" T-90SM, which has no analogues "for the reason that since the times of the USSR, T-55 and T-72 were purchased in large quantities. Since the T-90 of early modifications did not differ from the modernized T-72 tanks, they began to purchase these tanks.

Not quite so, Ukraine is a partner of Pakistan in terms of tanks, with which India has been "friends" since their independence. On Pakistani (more precisely, licensed Chinese type 96) Al-Khalid, Ukrainian diesel 6TD-2. In addition, Ukraine delivered 90 T-320UD to Pakistan in the se-union of the 80s.
So the "Oplot" would rather be bought by Pakistan than India, if it weren't for Al-Khalida, which by the way is superior or at least not inferior to the T-90 supplied by the Indians.

[Cristall]

that is, the sale to Pakistan of the 80s spurred India to buy in the RF-90s, do I understand correctly?
Hmm. if we ignore emotions, both countries (Ukraine and Russia) won, playing with the "muscles" Pakistan and India financed Kharkov and Tagil.
As I understand it, if by some miracle poor Pakistan ordered a batch of Oplotov (an expensive tank), then the decision to purchase a new 90th was made immediately and quickly.

[smiths xnumx]

Dear Cristall, after the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Afghanistan in 1989 and the collapse of the USSR in 1991, the United States abruptly lost interest in its ally Pakistan and stopped free supplies to him. China also had nothing to offer its ally (the first Chinese tank with a 125-mm cannon was just being created). Therefore, the Pakistanis realized that they had absolutely nothing to oppose to the Indian T-72, especially those produced in India under license, since the old American M-48 and the Chinese Type 59 and Type 69 were inferior to them in all respects. There was simply no money to buy Leopards-2, Challengers or even more Leclerc. Russia as the main supplier of weapons to India was automatically dropped. And then Ukraine appeared with the T-80UD, produced in Kharkov. In terms of the "PRICE-QUALITY" ratio, the Kharkov T-80UD was one of the best on the territory of the former USSR, especially since the cost suited it. And in the summer of 1996, a contract for the supply of 320 T-80UD tanks to Islamabad was signed. Its amount was, as Kiev officially announced, $ 650 million.
On February 19, 1997, the first 15 vehicles were shipped from Nikolaev to Karachi by sea. Islamabad solemnly announced that Ukrainian tanks will participate in the upcoming parade on the occasion of National Independence Day.
Ukraine at this point has already received as prepayment $ 70 million to the Kharkov tank-building plant named after Malysheva received a loan of about $ 5 million. In 2001, Pakistan with Chinese help created its Al-Khalid tank based on the Chinese Type 96 with Ukrainian 6TD / 6TD-2 engines. He also armed obsolete Chinese tanks of type 59 (T-54 clone) with 125-mm guns and dynamic armor, calling this modification Al-Zarrar. However, Russia did not lose. India urgently bought from her a T-90 and a license for their production. Yours faithfully!

[maxvet]

I'm sorry to interfere, but in my opinion Cristall is not respected, but respected. (If I am mistaken, I apologize in advance)

[Cristall]

avatar of course yes .. but I'm a guy.
Thanks for the answers, but I read about it earlier, as if I were asking this swing. Pakistan India had a great impact on Kharkov / Tagil. Is repetition possible in the future?
Thailand is more solvent than Pakistan. And India is clearly economically winning.

[Argon]

Very, very unlikely Pakistan was tied to China, the Chinese built production for them.

[Druid]

Al Khalid. The implemented solutions do not resemble anything? Plus active armor and it becomes clear why the Indians buy the T-90SM.

[Vityaz68]

PEOPLE IN INDIA A LONG TIME BUY T 90. THERE IS ALREADY 600 PIECES.
WELL, IT'S NORMAL THAT INDIA TAKES OUR TANKS - RUSSIAN ARMOR OF ALL POWERS.
I READ THAT PAKISTAN PURCHASES T-80 TANKS FROM UKRAINE, THAT COULD HAVE COUNTERED THE INDIAN T-90.

[Dmitry Zurn]

T-90SM An interesting machine, but I personally do not understand why they abandoned the anti-radiation lining. This was motivated by the fact that it is fire hazardous and highly flammable. Perhaps it was necessary to abandon the ammunition in this case. In view of this, in my opinion, the combat stability of this tank is rather controversial. Especially for the Russian Federation and the Indo-Pakistani region, I believe that the threat of the local use of nuclear weapons cannot be completely ruled out, we see this even in Syria, where, as it is known, it is not clear who is using prohibited weapons of mass destruction (sarin). Unfortunately, the world is developing towards its destruction and therefore I think you and I may well witness the use of nuclear weapons by "unknown persons" if the situation so requires.

[slacker]

At the discussion of tank topics, talkers were tired of talking with pouting cheeks as experts in tank building. They know everything, they are involved in everything, and how tired they are of working hard ... But at the exit, all this pomp is only the next flood.
And for whatever "tank builders" or "tankers" such people call themselves, they are just notorious losers, hamsters from the lower level of office plankton, striving to look more significant than they really are.
I trust the opinion of the Indians. In deliveries of tanks for the Indian army there would be no refusal to them either from the USA, or from Germany, or from France. All tank-building countries of the world are interested in the Indian arms market. And since the Indians are ready to shell out considerable money for the purchase of hundreds of Russian tanks, then these vehicles are worth the money.

[Armata]

Quote: Loafer

At the discussion of tank topics, talkers were tired of talking with pouting cheeks as experts in tank building. They know everything, they are involved in everything, and how tired they are of working hard ... But at the exit, all this pomp is only the next flood.
And no matter what kind of projectionists or livestock technicians such little people call themselves, they are just notorious hamsters striving to look more significant than they really are.
I trust the opinion of the Indians. In the purchase of tanks for the Indian army, there would be no refusal to them either from the USA, or from Germany, or from France. All tank-building countries of the world are interested in the Indian arms market. And since the Indians are ready to shell out considerable money for the purchase of hundreds of Russian tanks, then these vehicles are worth the money.

Hear a loafer, but I see you Justify your claims. It’s stupid to call people without arguments. And you do not need to call names. Parasite and in Africa parasite.

[Yemelya]

And why did the mechanic react so nervously?

[Armata]

Quote: Emelya

And why did the mechanic react so nervously?

Because this person was not able to answer my questions, and now naively hopes that by enlisting me on the black list I do not see him.

[slacker]

What people, did you recognize yourself among those whom I mentioned? That means I'm right. And among the moderators there are representatives of this category of "workers" who hang around the net during working hours instead of working off their wages.

[Yemelya]

And I thought Bezdelgik had in mind amateurs like me.

[Genady1976]

and when do we ...............?
WE ALSO WANT NEW TANKS

[alert_timka]

I lost confidence in the complexes of guided weapons on T 72 tanks by watching tank biathlon on Saturday. Of the 4 vehicles, only one hit the 2 km with a guided projectile. I really hope in T 90 everything works as it should.

[Aleks tv]

Quote: alert_timka

I lost confidence in the complexes of guided weapons on T 72 tanks by watching tank biathlon on Saturday. Of the 4 vehicles, only one hit the 2 km with a guided projectile. I really hope in T 90 everything works as it should.

??
Timur, you have touched on a very topical topic, but the conclusions are a bit ... wrong.
Do not think that everything is fine with controlled ammunition on the T-90, and everything is bad on the T-72.
KUV is normal both there and there.

The problem is different:
Gunners DO NOT have practice with CWM.
One such shot in the late 80s cost like a "Zhiguli", and a shot with an ordinary practical standard blank - like boots.
Feel the difference...

Now imagine that EVERY gunner in the aircraft will make ONE Shot at the training ground? A good penny will come out. A one-time experience will not bring the proper skill.
I'll tell you a secret - conscripts are practically not allowed to work with guided weapons, since there is no point, they serve only a year ...

There is a way out - the development and delivery to the troops of NORMAL simulators, almost completely simulating the working conditions in the tank and the process of firing. It will be cheaper for the country and the fighters will get the normal skill of owning guided tank ammunition.
Something like this.

[FireFly]

Tactical observation 2.

The low level of preparedness of shooters and gunners gunners significantly reduces the distance at which effective fire on the enemy, compared with the ranges indicated in official manuals and tables.

This observation is so self-evident that it is often not taken into account. And at the same time, the main reason for the Iraqi losing ground battles with a crushing score can be elementary - they simply anointed, while their American "colleagues" did not.

During the second Iraq war, on April 4, 2003, the Americans entered an Iraqi tank ambush in an area conventionally designated by the Americans as the objective Montgomery site. Iraqi tanks, which escaped detection from the air, suddenly opened fire on the side projection of American armored vehicles from a distance of 800-1000 meters. The result is a complete defeat ... of the Iraqi (!) Unit. The Iraqis managed to make 16 shots from their 125 mm guns - and not a single hit. A miss with the “best” result is a shortfall to the goal of 25 meters.

After the second war, the Americans picked up captured records of the Iraqi firing. In one tank division, it turned out that only one firing was carried out during the year. Tankers were given 4 shells to fire. In the elite division of the Republican Guard Baghdad, there were the same firing, but they gave more shots - 10 shells each. There was a division in which more than one firing was not carried out during the year. The result is obvious.

The Iraqi infantrymen didn’t “lag behind” the tankers - according to American observations, less than 10% of RPG shots hit the target. In general, the Americans quite often mention anywhere not getting fire from an RPG.

During the first Iraq war, there was a case when Iraqis did not hit the American Bradley BMP from a 73-mm BMP-1 gun from a distance of about 400 meters, making 5 shots, while the American BMP did not shoot at that moment due to a breakdown in gun drive system.

Tactical lessons of the last two wars of Iraq for an all-arms commander

[FireFly]

Probably the most telling example of the defeat due to the inability to shoot occurred during the counterattack of two Iraqi brigades (3 and 8 tank) on the advancing units of the 1st US Marine Corps division on the morning of February 25, 1991, on the second day after the start of the ground operation in the oil Al-Burqan oil field. The Marine Corps were not armed with the Abrams, but older M60A1s that did not have thermal imaging sights.

During the first 90 minutes of the battle, fire and smoke from burning oil wells, morning fog and bad weather reduced the Americans' advantage in finding long-range targets to nothing. For the same reasons, American aviation over the battlefield for the first half hour of the battle was not. American artillery also did not fire - wishing to use helicopters, a restricted area for flights was created so that their shells would not damage them. In the chaos of battle, this zone could not be canceled, although helicopters could not be used, as a result, American artillery could not shoot.

Operators ATGM TOU often could not use thermal imaging sights, because the fire from oil wells illuminated them, especially if it was necessary to aim in the direction of a burning oil field.

In addition, Iraqi and American units mixed in smoke and fog, which prevented American ATGM operators from firing, fearing to hook their own. ATGMs could be used effectively by Americans only at short range. Poor visibility led to the fact that the distance at which the opponents began to see each other was 500-800 meters. At such distances, the difference in the technological level of M60A1 and T-55 is largely leveled.

The result of the battle is more than 100 destroyed Iraqi armored vehicles and not a single one was killed by the Americans. Twice during the battle, Iraqi tanks "stumbled" on the command posts of the Americans. Both times, tank attacks were repulsed by US Marines without the help of their tanks.

Due to the neglect of reducing the effective range of shooting with insufficiently trained personnel, in 1991, the Iraqis were not able to realize the advantage of defense on the reverse slope. The Iraqis placed equipment at a distance equal to the firing range of tank guns.

The calculation was on the defeat of American tanks during the roll over the topographic ridge. The tanks passed through him, and the Iraqis could not get through to them at that distance.

It is difficult to assess how high the level of skill of American gunners in peacetime. But practically throughout the entire period of troop concentration prior to the start of the ground invasion, the American servicemen intensively trained at the shooting ranges. The skill level of gunners and ordinary infantrymen was brought to a very high level by the beginning of hostilities. This greatly increased the likelihood of hitting the target from the first shot and at a longer range, which gave an indisputable advantage to the Americans over the Iraqis during ground battles.

The preliminary conclusion is that if you have to fight poorly trained personnel, then you need to redo all tactics, which are usually written for normally trained soldiers. In such conditions, it is necessary to expect that only fire will be effective almost at an emphasis, at least at first. And the distance between the positions, the firing range and the necessary densities of tanks, guns and manpower, and the possibility of using certain tactics, etc. It is better to still prepare the soldiers normally.

Tactical lessons of the last two wars of Iraq for an all-arms commander

[FireFly]

Tactical observation 3.
An army with technological superiority seeks to destroy the enemy without entering the zone of actual fire of its weapons, turning the clash into shooting the enemy from a safe distance. Moreover, this can be done in a leisurely manner.

An example is the 2nd battalion of the 327th Infantry Regiment, which fought for the city of Najaf in 2. Iraqis took up positions in apartment buildings on the outskirts of the city and fired from window openings at the advancing US infantry and tanks. Moreover, the fire was conducted mainly with a shortage. The Americans stopped the attack and within a few hours shot firing points of Iraqis from anti-tank anti-tank guided missiles from a distance of more than 327 m. The Americans fired more than 2003 anti-tank missiles.

One Iraqi artillery was destroyed by an ATGM. The other two - after firing helicopters Kiowa (Kiowa), American artillery and aircraft. The mortar battery was destroyed by bombs.

After the Iraqi fire ceased, the American infantry went forward. One firing point of Iraqis revived. Two 500-pound bombs were dropped on the building where it was located. After which the Americans stopped the offensive until the next morning. The next morning, placing a smokescreen in front of Iraqi positions, 5 support tanks of the battalion were sent along the road to the city. They, vulnerable to Iraqi fire, were supposed to fire on themselves, and at that time the rest of the battalion would shoot from Iraqi firing points from a safe distance. However, the Iraqis surrendered.

Another example, on April 6, 2003, during a battle for the Debecka pass in northern Iraq, an American unit on 4 Hammers stopped a “classic” mechanized attack by an Iraqi company on MTLB, supported by 4 T-55 tanks, having driven out firing from Javelin ATGM "(A total of 19 missiles were fired) Iraqi armored vehicles in cover behind a road embankment.

The Iraqis were forced to switch to long-range firefight from a shelter, where they were methodically destroyed within 4,5 hours by the Americans called for support from the aircraft.

Tactical lessons of the last two wars of Iraq for an all-arms commander

[FireFly]

The tank units of the 7th Corps, which fought with parts of the Iraqi Republican Guard, attacked as follows. The American companies (20-30 armored vehicles) advanced in formation in part in a line, partly in a backward angle (hybrid-line-abreast-combat-vee-formation), the depth of company structures was approximately 1500 m.

The fire from the tanks was carried out on the move, and the approach speed during the attack was 10-15 km / h. On the one hand, this made it difficult to return fire, since the target was still moving, on the other hand it didn’t rock the car much and did not interfere with the operation of the gun stabilization system and aiming at Iraqi tanks.

On the offensive site of the 2nd Battalion, 34th Tank Regiment of the 1st American Infantry Division, fire was fired from a stop. American tanks stopped at 1500 - 2000 m from a group of Iraqi vehicles and shot them until they were completely destroyed. Then the battalion moved another approximately 2000 m and the procedure was repeated. Moreover, in order to prevent fire, the platoon commander gave permission to defeat each target in its own way. The attack was carried out "creeping".
Tim Ripley, Tank warfare, Compendium, 2003, p.134
Similarly, that is, the 14/20th regiment of the royal hussars of the 4th English tank brigade operated by shooting the enemy from a stop.

However, there is one mention that the 1st Panzer Division of the Americans attacked Iraqi positions at a speed of 32-40 km / h. BMPs moved behind the tanks, at a distance of about 1000 m. They fired on the area around the tanks and fired at the tanks themselves, preventing Iraqi anti-tank groups from approaching the tanks at close range and firing at tanks from RPGs, as well as preventing attempts to get into tanks and withdraw their failure by improvised means.

Given the sandstorm and night, the Americans recognized Iraqi armored vehicles at different ranges. But the "classic" in the description of the battles for Kuwait was the discovery by the Americans of Iraqi tanks in thermal imaging sights for 5-6 km, and when approaching a distance of 2,5 km, American tanks began to shoot Iraqi. At the same time, Iraqis did not see American tanks because of the worst surveillance devices and only fired at outbreaks of shots if they fired. Moreover, the shells of Iraqi tanks did not reach American tanks.

Tactical lessons of the last two wars of Iraq for an all-arms commander

[svp67]

Quote: Aleks tv

There is a solution - the development and supply of NORMAL simulators to the troops

The trouble is that they are there and not even a lot of them entered the troops. And in reality, a cadet, a one-year-old soldier who has completed all the exercises on the simulator, is much better at acting in a tank and has better performance in shooting, including KUV, as we had such an experiment ... The battalion commander who carried out this experiment was in delighted ... It's a pity the simulators turned out to be very "fragile"

[alert_timka]

Quote: Aleks tv

Quote: alert_timka

I lost confidence in the complexes of guided weapons on T 72 tanks by watching tank biathlon on Saturday. Of the 4 vehicles, only one hit the 2 km with a guided projectile. I really hope in T 90 everything works as it should.

??
Timur, you have touched on a very topical topic, but the conclusions are a bit ... wrong.
Do not think that everything is fine with controlled ammunition on the T-90, and everything is bad on the T-72.
KUV is normal both there and there.

The problem is different.
Gunners DO NOT have practice with CWM.
One such shot in the late 80s cost like a "Zhiguli", and a shot with an ordinary practical standard blank - like boots.
Feel the difference...

Now imagine that EVERY gunner in the aircraft will make ONE Shot at the training ground? A good penny will come out. A one-time experience will not bring the proper skill.
I'll tell you a secret - conscripts are practically not allowed to work with guided weapons, since there is no point, they serve only a year ...

There is a way out - the development and delivery to the troops of NORMAL simulators, almost completely simulating the working conditions in the tank and the process of firing. It will be cheaper for the country and the fighters will get the normal skill of owning guided tank ammunition.
Something like this.

Thank you for not too lazy and answered. Then we urgently need to teach gunners this business. And then again they say that the shelf life of ammunition is over and they must be disposed of, otherwise it will be too late

[Aleks tv]

Quote: alert_timka

Then we urgently need to teach gunners this business.

Of course I agree.
Alas, there is no way to teach how to work with KUV in "words".
Only a normal simulator.

NEEDED SKILL.
And very precise work is required with a "Cheburashka", literally at the fingertips.
We, in due time, were sticking a pencil to the barrel of the gun (not far from the case in front of the mechanic) and placing a plywood with a sheet of paper in front of it. On the street, they put up a shield with a picture of an envelope and forced the gunners to copy the picture when the stabilizer was working.
Everyone did not succeed right away, the most difficult thing is to draw oblique lines, using the "vertical" and "horizontal" stabilization at the same time, but this is quite a cheap training.
Especially if you do it on a swinging ramp ...

And the skill of working with KUV itself is only a simulator, a "normal" digital simulator.

The word is for Moscow Region, they traditionally do not like to finance a training base.

[alert_timka]

as well as the T 90 tank, a chic car and an admirable view, there is something attractive in it. Especially the model shown in the photo.

[waisson]

where the leadership of RUSSIA is looking at the principle for itself, and the surplus for the cordon or in our NZ has a large supply of t-34s and IS can where the apt and we fight with them ....... . what is going on the atomic fleet they want to sponsor gasprom-oiling if possible can I sponsor that I will give my personal motras to the submarine for the captain with pleasure just tell me where the captain is and what submarine but the main thing is not with our management in the same crew

[jasper]

a good tank, but doubts gnaw, does the abundance of modifications remind our "rifle drama" with the adoption of rifles for service?

[Gur]

Good evening, during the years of the current regime’s rule, there were a lot of things, but they didn’t differ in dullness, so I dare to assume that the T-90 tank is inferior to what is in the sleeve and I think soon we will see at some arms salon

[APASUS]

If this transaction takes place, then India will become the first country to be armed with these new tanks. Although military experts do not exclude the purchase of a batch of these combat vehicles and the Russian Ministry of Defense.

You read like a joke! What place they think when buying equipment for our Army is generally incomprehensible!

[fimusito]

Sorry for the stupid question - what kind of 2 barrels does he have behind?

[Alex 241]

Additional fuel barrels. Scheme of connecting barrels to the fuel system of the T-72 (T-90C) tank.

[fimusito]

Thank. These barrels spoil the whole view. And it looks so beautiful.

[Alex 241]

Sometimes smoke bombs are also placed. Installation of BDSh-5 smoke bombs at the stern of the T-54 tank.

[Alex 241]

Setting the smoke screen using smoke bombs BDSH-5

[svp67]

Alexander, now there is no need for a BDSH, for setting up the same dense cloud they use the tank's TDA system - not quite "cheap", but just as "cheerful" and most importantly, constantly "at hand"

[Yemelya]

During exercises with firing, the barrels were tried to be removed in order to avoid their ignition due to "friendly fire". In Chechnya, barrels were left during battles, but empty, as a kind of screens.

[svp67]

Quote: Alex 241

Scheme of connecting barrels to the fuel system of the T-72 (T-90C) tank.

But in the top picture of the T80, by the way, he put the third barrel in the back ...

[svp67]

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[harrymur]

ETOG Bayan, he is half a year, admins have you had all summer?))
if you have nothing to attract an audience, you

[Agent 008]

Of course, I look by sight, the tank is a sight for sore eyes, just handsome ... When our officials say that the country does not have money for these handsome tanks, I think this is a complete LIE .. As there are billions in the Sochi Olympics, and that we slept peacefully, no money? No doubt, we need an Olympics, but SORRY money for the country's defense, in the end, the safety of our CHILDREN, is criminal! And it turns out, the Indians give us KAMA-SUTRA, and we give them our handsome tanks .. It won’t work!

[Sirs]

Question: But is the 90A2 gun on the T-82MS? if it’s worth it, it’s for Western tanks ... well and Ukrainian in tank duels.