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There is no point in the further existence of the USA

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I remember one autumn evening of 1991, I, still a Soviet pioneer, watched on TV a children's party - a carnival from Canada. The action was bright and colorful, people smiled, they are well dressed in foreign clothes. The words of the commentator sounded like a mockery: "Due to bad weather, the participants of the action took hot chocolate with them in thermos so as not to catch a cold."


Pancake! We have sugar on coupons, there is nothing in the store except sprat and birch sap, and they have hot chocolate for ODS prevention! As I was jealous of Canadian children, and my mother sat next to her and envied Canadian mothers. I wonder what Malchish - Kibalchish about bourgeois cookies would be for me - jam said.

I no longer wanted soda pop and sweets bird's milk, give me a Coke and Snickers and I was sure that sandwiches in McDonalds are much more delicious than my mother's meatballs. At that time, her own country seemed somehow ridiculous, absurd, her история a series of bloody mistakes, the present is dull, and it was better not to think about the future.

This is what I mean: the sense of the Soviet Union in building a just state of free people, in building socialism, and later on, of communism. It sounds a bit punchingly, but as long as we believed in these ideals, the USSR was unbreakable.

Then gradually they gradually ceased to believe in the ideals of socialism at the highest levels, having seen enough of the attempts of capitalism, they also wanted to “want to persecute”. There they spoke from the stands about the inevitable world victory of communism, about a classless society, about a five-year plan for three years, etc., but the people, having seen enough of their full faces, eventually stopped believing in all this.

All ... They took out the meaning from the country and it crumbled. I didn’t need solemn promises in a red tie, but hot chocolate, and yesterday’s Komsomol and Communists were more important than clothes, cars, grandmothers, and not some ideals.

For a hundred years our country was called the Russian Empire. Her brave soldiers followed the Faith, the Tsar and the Fatherland. When these ideals were shared by the overwhelming majority of the population, then in almost all wars we had success (of defeats, we can only recall the Crimean War, and taking into account the strength of the parties and the lack of territorial concessions, it can be credited in victory). By the time of the Russian –Japanese war in the army and society, these ideals had noticeably faded and, as a result, a heavy defeat was not from the strongest country. This event caused even greater distrust of the tsar and during the first world "public confidence in the government" dried up.

Instead of Orthodoxy, detestation and aggressive atheism were cleverly slipped, and the Fatherland, in the sense of its forests, fields and rivers, remained almost the same. Again, as at the end of the 20th century, in the absence of the original meaning, the country collapses.

After the terrible World War II, he no longer wanted and could not bear the "white man's burden", and the colonial system collapsed. The British with the French, probably, chose hot chocolate instead of harsh transitions through the jungle and desert. In the XVI century, many Europeans no longer believed in the infallibility of Catholicism (or did not see the point in giving tithe to distant and greedy Rome), and Luther only formulated people's doubts. Many times in history, wild tribes conquered civilized countries, but then they adopted, along with writing, a higher culture, and the worst from their new vassals - a thirst for luxury, laziness, drunkenness, gluttony. As a result, more warlike tribes threw them into the garbage of history. As we see, betraying one’s ideals (the meanings of existence) leads to the weakening of states, the death of countries and peoples.

Now back to the USA. Initially, the ideals of America "cling" to so many. The dream country, which immediately after the beginning of its existence, became not some kind of monarchy in Europe, but a democratic state, where any citizen, as once in Greek policies, participates in the election of a ruler, where every person is born free, the right to property is sacred, there is a right to freedom of religion, individual freedom and bla-bla-bla, bla-bla-bla.

The term “American Dream” means personal success at any cost — it’s just an egoist’s dream. Nobody despises him for egoism, on the contrary, they envy him, he is popular, he is a role model (admiration).

To live as you want, to live for yourself - this is the main purpose of your existence. "Do not worry" spiritual experiences, but you do not have time to "take everything from life." Modern consumer society is just an evolved American egoism lavishly mixed with envy - eat more than your neighbor, buy a cooler colleague car, get a new mobile phone first in class.

Now I will not particularly recall the freely cut and democratically expelled Indians, about the “equality” of the white planters and their black slaves and how the United States chopped off California and Texas — these are all things of the bygone days. Let's look at the declared ideals of democracy today.

Nowadays, states are rapidly turning into a police state. The shell is the same, until no one has canceled the marvelous (everyone accepts the stress itself) constitution, nobody has canceled any amendments there, but in fact there hasn't been a smell of democracy for a long time. Even the election of the main showman of the country - the president, and then not covered with fraud. Everyone probably remembers an armored car with bulletins about Florida in 2000 - m, more than 100% for Obama in 2012 - in some districts, and other absurdities.
And how is democracy combined with a prison in guantanamo, with total surveillance of its own citizens, the dictates of all sorts of minorities, the detention of objectionable, beating, torture?

In the international arena, the United States generally creates lawlessness, based on its own egoistic considerations. We can recall Buta, Yaroshenko, killer drones, but these are all trivialities compared with interventions in different countries under sometimes absolutely ridiculous reasons. What “creative” terms come up with: “indestructible freedom”, “humanitarian bombardment”, “unmanned zone”, which in fact turn flowering cities into piles of rubble.

So, in the US, more and more people see the difference between the declared state ideals and the real picture. All conceivable rights and freedoms are violated then at home, which is abroad. But this is half the trouble, the fact of beating a neighbor with a baton is not so outraged as on a lack of work, mass eviction for debts and lack of prospects is not an “American dream”, but an “American horror” of some kind.

For this reason, the population of the United States is almost unanimous against the war in Syria on the far-fetched pretext, army veterans do not agree with Obama’s plans to “remove” another state, acting soldiers YET hide their faces behind posters: “I don’t want to fight for al-Qaeda,” t. to. it goes against the ideals on which they were brought up since childhood. That is, Americans are rapidly losing faith in their values, more and more people are convinced that the United States is not the “ray of light”. In fact, there is no longer any sense in the existence of the United States, since this country has already lost its inner meaning.

It is possible that the states will simply fall apart and instead appear North Mexico, the Texas Republic, West Zululand, New Aria, the Federation of Indian Tribes, Free Las Vegas, etc. Each such formation will have its own sense of existence, its own, nationalistic and racial ideals. In this case, there will be nothing good, because each “state” will have every reason to be admitted to the nuclear club, and the world will not face a gorilla on tank, and with a gang of mad macaques with grenade launchers.

Another option: America finally dumps its democratic masquerade and builds a "normal", legally decorated system of something like the one described in the "Star landing". One trick: I feel that the role of terrible in every sense arachnidov prepared in the first place to us.

P.S. Somehow, your humble servant in the articles on the All-Russian Association “What do they need from Syria?” And “Kurdistan as Poland of a century ago” expressed the idea that true puppeteers and “beneficiaries” of chaos on greater BV are some circles dreaming of a great Israel from Nil to Euphrates.

It turns out that the United States is used by them as a big stick, methodically crushing all neighboring states to fine dust (the same Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and so on. The great democracies of the Persian Gulf are now used "in the dark," they themselves pay a significant part of the costs of dismantling their neighbors. the queue will come later, when “suddenly” it becomes clear that human rights are not very much there).

It is likely that the true meaning of the United States is to clear the "living space" for one people. If this is so, then in the case of the Syrian bombing raids, contrary to custom, the Americans will abandon the use of impoverished uranium in order not to lose the meaning of the whole idea.

PS.S .: And what is the meaning of the existence of Russia, its national idea, without which no country will last long?
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  1. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 16 September 2013 07: 05 New
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    Hmm ... If everything in the world was so easily solved. But a bumblebee, for example, does not know that according to the laws of physics it cannot fly - and flies to itself ... That is, Americans do not see anything from what the author of the article living in another country saw. They live happily ever after and are not going to fall apart.
    1. Quiet
      Quiet 16 September 2013 07: 36 New
      14
      Those. Americans do not see anything from what the author of the article living in another country saw. They live happily ever after and are not going to fall apart.

      Not always an ostrich helps the option of a head in the sand. Problems will only increase further. And their people (in the bulk) are trying to get away from them - to hide in the sink like a snail ...
      1. 755962
        755962 16 September 2013 08: 47 New
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        And what is the meaning of the existence of Russia, its national idea, without which no country will last long?
        1. strannik595
          strannik595 16 September 2013 09: 21 New
          +8
          There is no point in the further existence of the USA
          the Yankees listened to the author, scratched their cowboy turnips with hardcore five and .... went to embody in iron the program for the construction of three new heavy atomic aircraft carriers such as the Gerald R. Ford ..... wings, legs, and most importantly, the tail !!! ...... but seriously, everyone, in the face of eternity and his conscience, must choose for himself the meaning of his life personally and not suffer about sinful and lost Americans ..... earthly life is fleeting and not the Rothschild family rules the world and Rockefellers, but the Lord God ..... and everyone will be rewarded according to his deeds
          1. Natalia
            Natalia 16 September 2013 10: 09 New
            +3
            It is enough to see what the US economy is ... and there is no US economy, their whole economy is transnational capital, the heads of the largest transnational corporations set the vector for US policy. For example: WTI West Texas Intermediate stock indices fell, also known as Texas light sweet, a brand of oil produced in Texas (USA). In order to give an impetus to growth, any military tension is needed anywhere in the world ... Syria, is it simply perfectly not true.
          2. Setrac
            Setrac 16 September 2013 11: 35 New
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            Quote: strannik595
            the Yankees listened to the author, scratched their cowboy turnips with hard-nosed five and

            Without reference to the meaning of the article, the title of the article itself causes rejection, offhand a couple of the same names:
            "The continued existence of Papua New Guinea makes no sense"
            "In the future, the existence of the author makes no sense"
            Let the author explain what is the meaning of the existence of other countries?
        2. V. Tarasyan
          V. Tarasyan 16 September 2013 09: 43 New
          +1
          Briefly and succinctly. hi
        3. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 16 September 2013 12: 14 New
          +4
          Quote: 755962
          And what is the meaning of the existence of Russia, its national idea, without which no country will last long?

          Improving the well-being of present and future generations of citizens was the meaning of the USSR. This is socialism.
          The meaning of the existence of the state of Russia is to ensure the material benefits of the oligarchic elite and protect their interests (do not confuse oligarchs and capitalists, unlike capitalists, oligarchs do not generate capital (means of production) - their welfare is stolen during the collapse of the USSR, according to the results of privatization).
          Accordingly, in order to prevent people from being indignant, their educational level is artificially lowered (ЕГ, reduction of schools, universities, curriculum changes), and further along the classical path - “bread (a privatized apartment, a used foreign car, a lot of tasteless sausages) and shows (olympiad, president with storks, a media matrix, religious activities in temples). "
    2. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 16 September 2013 09: 47 New
      +4
      We must lend a helping hand to them (in the collapse) laughing
      The collapse of the USSR was a shock to the Americans, even the CIA did not virilize it, however it happened, everything is real in this world.
    3. vladikmamcha
      vladikmamcha 16 September 2013 09: 56 New
      +9
      If a bumblebee still flies, it means that we do not know all the laws of physics, but they act independently of our knowledge or ignorance. So the "refrain" Americans. They still live, but the law has already worked. That's all.
      1. Yon_Silent
        Yon_Silent 16 September 2013 11: 59 New
        +4
        Yes, as much as possible, damn it, with this bumblebee! It is well known how it flies, already about 50 years. Here, for those interested (though in English, but quite intelligibly)
        http://www.ox.ac.uk/document.rm?id=1003

        or simpler here http://www.origins.org.ua/page.php?id_story=356
      2. Proud.
        Proud. 17 September 2013 00: 22 New
        +1
        Quote: vladikmamcha
        They still live, but the law has already worked.

        They simply do not know one wise quote: "Do you see a gopher? - No. - And I do not. And he is!"
    4. chunga-changa
      chunga-changa 16 September 2013 10: 43 New
      +3
      Apparently you had in mind that a bumblebee flies contrary to the laws of aerodynamics, he is unlikely to be able to break the laws of physics. If this is so, then the reasons are most likely in the imperfection of the laws themselves, and not in the ignorance of the bumblebee.
      I agree with the second part of the statement, as long as there are McDonald's and a sense of superiority over others, that is, living well and life is good, America is little threatened.
    5. starshina78
      starshina78 16 September 2013 11: 47 New
      +3
      About the collapse is not so simple. More than once in the history of the United States there have been conflicts of individual states with Washington. Texas recently started talking about secession. The USA is a union of individual states. Each state has its own laws, often different from the center, and their division can happen much easier than the collapse of the USSR. The referendum, and all, Texas is independent of Washington. Would rather fall apart! You look then they will not bark so much to the whole world!
      1. eplewke
        eplewke 16 September 2013 12: 27 New
        +2
        The United States will soon be projecting a rogue country. The era of their dominance is over. is over!
        1. ElektriK123
          ElektriK123 16 September 2013 16: 51 New
          0
          This era will end when rockets fly from Siberia on phasington ...
      2. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 16 September 2013 12: 31 New
        +6
        Quote: starshina78
        Would rather fall apart! You look then they will not bark so much to the whole world!

        Then China will begin to “bark”, and he is at our side, they don’t even have to cross the ocean. It is difficult to predict what the collapse of the United States for the Russian economy (tied to the dollar) comes with.
        The solution in this situation is not to shake foreign states (or even fall under their rubble), but to create your own strong state in the post-Soviet space. A state oriented towards protecting the interests of its own citizens, a state of power of the People. Then the unification process will go!
        In the meantime, alas, think for yourself why Ukrainian oligarchs unite with Russian oligarchs or Kazakhs? They are all well and good.
      3. habalog
        habalog 16 September 2013 20: 55 New
        +1
        Quote: starshina78
        Referendum and everything texas is independent of washington


        There was a petition from Texas. Got more than 100.000 signatures on the site https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/

        Something has not come out yet.
    6. Jurkovs
      Jurkovs 16 September 2013 13: 51 New
      +2
      We were not going to fall apart either, dialectics however ...
  2. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 16 September 2013 07: 18 New
    +4
    Quote: serge-68-68
    They live happily ever after and are not going to fall apart.

    After falling apart, you can, after all, “push”, so that they fall apart quickly ... repeat

    In America, like in The Wizard of Oz, or The Wizard of Oz, everyone took off their green glasses and saw everything in real light ... hi
    1. a52333
      a52333 16 September 2013 07: 40 New
      +2
      an art duet from curator Mamin and artist Denis Saunin settled on the concept of “Russia - Nevalyashka. Vanka-Vstanka Country ”, which was offered by a marketer from Moscow Vitaliy Saburov
      300 tr gave. for this "national idea." Rave. Not found yet, but she needed. While she is gone, they will promote the ideas of warming. LGBT people, I believe, at present, anti-globalism can become a national idea, cementing a nation. In the course of the next will be formed.
      1. ksandr45
        ksandr45 16 September 2013 09: 26 New
        0
        Anti-globalism and access to the stars. hi
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 16 September 2013 11: 52 New
          0
          Quote: ksandr45
          Anti-globalism and access to the stars.

          These are two conflicting concepts, in order to reach the stars you need to be united.
        2. eplewke
          eplewke 16 September 2013 13: 32 New
          +2
          Obama is Gorbachev 2 "return" ... Finally, the evil empire has come to an end!
      2. matross
        matross 16 September 2013 10: 30 New
        +2
        Quote: a52333
        at the moment, anti-globalism may become a national idea cementing a nation.

        Can not. We do not live in a socialist country, unfortunately. Remember at least the pathological desire in the WTO. The national idea cannot contradict state policy. The current state system does not imply any national ideas, therefore no one can find it. Look at Europe - where are the national ideas? And the United States will soon blow off its idea, or rather, it will transform itself, shrinking from a national American to a standard inherent in any consumer society.
  3. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 16 September 2013 07: 45 New
    18
    from the Don.
    In my opinion, the meaning of the existence of Russia consists in a constant battle for justice on Earth!
    1. chunga-changa
      chunga-changa 16 September 2013 10: 46 New
      +1
      It seems to me that "independence and justice" is more accurate.
    2. me
      me 16 September 2013 16: 38 New
      0
      Do you think Russians are special? Remember what Putin said in an appeal to amers.
  4. Paul 23rus
    Paul 23rus 16 September 2013 07: 53 New
    +2
    I remember as a child I read the prediction (I don’t remember whose) that America would fall apart on the 44th president. It’s not long to wait, we hope that it will come true ...
    1. Belogor
      Belogor 16 September 2013 08: 14 New
      +5
      Edgar Cayce predicted that the 44th US president would be the last ...
      Casey predicted a gigantic global cataclysm. As for America, he predicted, in particular, that New York, Connecticut and the entire east coast of the United States would shake so that they simply disappear from the face of the earth. Some of his prophecies concerned events of world significance that came true. In his prophecies, Casey predicted the start and end dates of the 1st World War, then he also accurately predicted the start and end of the 2nd World War. They predicted and called the years of the “Great American Depression”: 1929-1933. Even described in detail the panic on the exchanges.
      1. Sadikoff
        Sadikoff 16 September 2013 09: 02 New
        +4
        It will be so, it was not only Casey who spoke, by cross comparisons with others, it is. December 21, 12 has passed, but this does not mean that there will be no global changes, but it will affect Russia less than others. They recall the Mormons, they have in their charter that everyone should create reserves for six months of autonomous life, in NZ. So there are also state strategic reserves. I recommend to every sane person to start a house in the village for logistics.
      2. Orchestrarant
        Orchestrarant 16 September 2013 10: 10 New
        +2
        "Edgar Cayce predicted that the 44th US president would be the last ..." After the 44th, there will be a 1st Fuhrer! stop
  5. Revolver
    Revolver 16 September 2013 07: 54 New
    0
    It seems that there was no afft in America, and if it was, Brighton Beach did not go any further. His views on things are reminiscent of the idea of ​​the average "scoop" about America, well, maybe adjusted for modern news read on the Russian-speaking Internet. He would write better about what he understands, if there are such objects. The article is a fat minus.
    1. Vashestambid3
      Vashestambid3 16 September 2013 09: 10 New
      -1
      Quote: Nagan
      It seems that there was no afft in America, and if it was, Brighton Beach did not go any further. His views on things are reminiscent of the idea of ​​the average "scoop" about America, well, maybe adjusted for modern news read on the Russian-speaking Internet. He would write better about what he understands, if there are such objects. The article is a fat minus.


      I totally agree smile Are you tired of writing weekly or even daily articles? laughing for 15 years they have been whining that America does not let them live quietly !! LOL smile
      1. Toporkoff
        Toporkoff 16 September 2013 10: 24 New
        +4
        Write an article. as it really is, if you live in the states.
        1. alexng
          alexng 16 September 2013 11: 49 New
          +7
          He cannot write the article “As Is”, otherwise he will have to hide as well as Snowden and seek political asylum.
        2. Revolver
          Revolver 16 September 2013 19: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: Toporkoff
          Write an article. as it really is, if you live in the states.

          There is neither mood nor time to write an article. In short, America will not fall apart, as long as the Americans themselves, without any compulsion, buy American flags at their own expense and hang them on their homes. And not on the occasion of the holiday, but every day. If the inhabitants of prosperous white suburbs and, to put it mildly, not too prosperous towns populated by not too white people, are at least somewhat united, then this is exactly what.
          Have you seen many tricolors posted private individuals, well, even if not on weekdays and not on “ordinary” holidays, but on the most, apparently, patriotic Victory Day? Although I personally think that on this day it is necessary to hang out not even a tricolor but that red flag under which the Great Victory was won. But this is not about that, but about the fact that the Americans are very patriotic, and that it wouldn’t be enough to change the simple jump in gas prices, and even the economic crisis, like the one that happened in 2008.
          1. sarmat-4791
            sarmat-4791 16 September 2013 22: 06 New
            +3
            hanging flags is all external, ostentatious as an American smile. The main thing to be a patriot is inside (I think this is real)
            1. alex US
              alex US 17 September 2013 18: 56 New
              0
              https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=547058871997673&id=10000080695
              3597
  6. Paul 23rus
    Paul 23rus 16 September 2013 07: 54 New
    +2
    found this edgar casey was
  7. mirag2
    mirag2 16 September 2013 07: 56 New
    +1
    I agree that the beneficiaries are the so-called "orthodox" (and more honest and easier to say, nationalist-radical) forces of Israel. And their excuses are babble.
  8. dark_65
    dark_65 16 September 2013 08: 07 New
    +1
    It will not fall apart for a long time, unfortunately (if not pushing), inform PR, the restriction of bureaucracy (just to harass those who have real estate abroad), study, if not strange, our brains should work here.
  9. Egoza
    Egoza 16 September 2013 08: 08 New
    +3
    Judging by how people in the United States begin to protest against modern US policies, as well as serious discontent in a number of states with the economic situation and the decline in their social level, the United States may well fall apart into separate states. They destroyed the USSR - so the boomerang will return!
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 16 September 2013 08: 38 New
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      Quote: Egoza
      The United States may well fall into separate states. They destroyed the USSR - so the boomerang will return!


      All the time, the United States was driven by one goal - the destruction of the USSR and the entire socialist camp. Having achieved their goal, the United States weakened itself.having lost motivation and having established hegemony throughout the world, the United States was left alone with itself, turning from a multi-polar world into one polar. The progressive development of a state depends primarily from competitionThe USA never considered China as a serious rival. The USSR was seen as an enemy. No matter how paradoxically my idea is, it is the revival of Russia that will help the United States resist. I didn’t make a reservation; historically, the USSR was the main competitor to the USSR and now the successor of Russia. And that means strengthening of Russia and its prosperity will serve as an incentive for its development and save the United States from agony.
      1. Vashestambid3
        Vashestambid3 16 September 2013 09: 16 New
        -3
        Quote: Apollon
        All the time, the United States moved one goal-the destruction of the USSR
        Well, yes, starting in 1788, when they wrote in the constitution a plan for the destruction of the social camp !! lol Hey wait, then the USSR did not exist !! How then? ... LOL smile
        1. Apollo
          Apollo 16 September 2013 10: 01 New
          +3
          Quote: Vashestambid3
          Well, yes, starting from the 1788 of the year when they wrote in the constitution a plan for the destruction of the social camp !! Hey wait, then the USSR did not exist !! How then? ... LO



          Teach history, this is not the first time that Russia has saved the United States.
          1. Babon
            Babon 16 September 2013 11: 55 New
            +2
            Well, what were they like before? But Britain didn’t give us rest, why shouldn’t they spoil them in return?
        2. lewerlin53rus
          lewerlin53rus 16 September 2013 11: 57 New
          +4
          Quote: Vashestambid3
          then the USSR did not exist !! How then?

          If you know the history within the framework of the American school (the impression is in the form of delirium), then I can explain that the USSR is one of the forms of government in Russia along with Kievan Rus, the Russian Empire, and the Russian Federation at the present time. changed over the centuries.
      2. lewerlin53rus
        lewerlin53rus 16 September 2013 09: 22 New
        +5
        All is correct. History has the property of repeating in one form or another. Unless in the last at least the millennium there has always been one thing: Russia’s confrontation against the encroachments of various kinds of applicants for world domination or at least for Russian lands. The Tatar-Mongols, Lithuanians, Poles, Germans have repeatedly, Swedes, the British (usually not directly, but through puppets), Japanese. Well, where are they all? Russia every time, like a phoenix, rises from the ashes, and aggressors become ordinary states. Now here is America. We look forward to repeating it.
        1. Babon
          Babon 16 September 2013 11: 58 New
          +2
          Only in the 20th century Russia has suffered such material and human damage, and indeed all the states that were with us. So it’s getting worse and worse.
  10. sheih_merden
    sheih_merden 16 September 2013 08: 18 New
    +8
    PS.S .: And what is the meaning of the existence of Russia, its national idea, without which no country will last long?


    I will answer the author; The national idea of ​​Russia by default are; - EDUCATION, CREATION, CONSENT. The fact is that we are already realizing this national idea, and our ancestors embodied and our descendants will embody and the great Russian thinkers always support us in this. Gogol N.V. spoke especially well, and Pushkin, too, and Dostoevsky.

    I do not accept variants of the National Idea, in which, in different versions and definitions, they are considered to fill up the belly, to rot up neighbors, to become the main godfather, etc., etc.

    The national idea of ​​Russia should be the basis for the existence of the entire earthly civilization in general, and then everything else will follow by itself.
    1. VDV 80-82
      VDV 80-82 16 September 2013 08: 37 New
      +1
      not bad idea! but why then will the authorities not convey it to the people in intelligible form?
    2. Boris55
      Boris55 16 September 2013 08: 59 New
      -1
      Quote: sheih_merden
      The fact is that we are already realizing this national idea

      In Russia, according to the latest census, there are more than 200 nationalities.
      It would be interesting to know - what ideas of a nation are we already embodying?
      1. true love
        true love 16 September 2013 09: 34 New
        +5
        Russia has always been multinational and at the same time remains Russia. Russians, as carriers of ideology, have not gone away. I have a friend, by ethnicity he is Armenian, was born in Moscow, graduated from MGIMO, studied in Egypt, works at a bank ... So he considers himself a Russian and is very worried about everything that happens to HIS Motherland, Russia. Nationality is a diagnosis! A person of any nationality can be in any capacity - a hero or a murderer, a traitor or a winner. We must stop thinking about a person as someone of a certain nationality. He is either a creator or a destroyer of both himself and everyone around him. Stalin was a Georgian and that we need to idolize all Georgians? Absurd. Stalin was a wise Ruler, and the fact that Russia under his leadership won the Second World War, we still can not forgive the Anglo-Saxons. Anglo-Saxons - this is not a nationality - this is a diagnosis. And Russian is an adjective word and it can be “attached” to any nationality.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 16 September 2013 10: 04 New
          +1
          Quote: true love
          Russia has always been multinational, while remaining Russia


          I almost agree with all of the above.

          And yet, as long as there is such a thing as nationality, there will also be a division along ethnic lines. Stalin called himself Russian Georgian. Many of the USSR associate themselves in the same way, which cannot be said about the current generation ... (24 is enshrined in the constitution of Russia national republics)

          If we talk about a general idea, it’s not about the idea of ​​a single nation that has flooded all the media and imposes “our” idea on us, but about the Russian civilization idea - Russian civilization.

          (all words have a certain meaning. if you want to be understood correctly, degenerate with words uniquely understandable to everyone)
          1. true love
            true love 16 September 2013 12: 48 New
            +3
            Belinsky said the best thing about the concept of “Russian” (unfortunately, I can’t quote it, I forgot. But the bottom line is: Russian is a mentality, a state of mind, a kind of awareness, conviction. Russian is particularly keen on UNFairness and is ready to give all of himself for triumph JUSTICE), and there is nothing to add. And the concept of Russian civilization is the concept of JUSTICE.
      2. Babon
        Babon 16 September 2013 12: 02 New
        +1
        In fact, the world is full of multinational states, and they live normally, nations simply complement each other. If you try to seek out directly the idea of ​​a specific nation, this is nationalism, so far Russia will certainly not go so far.
    3. true love
      true love 16 September 2013 09: 19 New
      +1
      Without God it is very difficult to follow the national idea in the head. Whatever she is.
    4. krpmlws
      krpmlws 16 September 2013 10: 14 New
      +3
      The values ​​of enlightenment, creation, harmony are important, but more for Western Europe. I agree with those who support the priority for Russia of truth, justice and conscience, which determine the self-determination of the Russian people, their mission. At the same time, it must be borne in mind that the question of a national idea is a question of the hierarchy of values. For a believer, God is the highest value, and then the value of the Motherland should be. Therefore, for a non-believer, the highest value should be love for the Motherland. All other values ​​are secondary, because, when cultivated excessively, absolutized values ​​can turn into damage to the interests of the motherland. Therefore, our national idea: love for the motherland, activities for its benefit on the basis of justice, truth and conscience.
      1. true love
        true love 16 September 2013 15: 01 New
        0
        Any person is a believer. Even if he is an atheist, he believes that there is no God. A reasonable person questions everything and tests in practice what is and what is not, after which actions certain consequences will follow. A person following spiritual practice understands that nationality is limited, this is the rope connecting him with the clan mentality. To be Russian means to be above national dogma.
    5. Asan Ata
      Asan Ata 16 September 2013 20: 13 New
      +1
      Very general, no targeting. Personally, I believe that the national idea is a model of the society in which I would like to live. It is not paradoxical, but I, like a Kazakh, are satisfied with two ideas for Kazakhstan - one Soviet, the second fascist: "Man to man - friend, comrade, brother" and "Kazakhstan above all." The first creates an internal comfortable climate, the second gives an attack to aggressors and enemies. I think this is suitable for you Russians too.
      1. krpmlws
        krpmlws 18 September 2013 05: 51 New
        0
        What about the idea: are we weak separately, our strength is in unity? Kazakhstan above all, why not, but Kazakhstan will only win in unity with Russia and always win. This is my opinion. A sovereign and independent Kazakhstan needs someone, petty nationalists, yes, real Kazakh patriots, no.
        1. Asan Ata
          Asan Ata 18 September 2013 08: 49 New
          +1
          Union indestructible republics of free. Of course, mutual respect, back to back.
  11. morpogr
    morpogr 16 September 2013 08: 40 New
    +9
    Tell me the American, what is the strength! Is it in the money? So the brother says that in money. You have a lot of money, and why? I think that power is in the truth: whoever has the truth is stronger! So you deceived someone, made money, and why - have you become stronger? No, I didn’t, because there is no truth for you! And the one whom he deceived is behind him the truth! So he is stronger!
    BROTHER 2
    1. maxvik
      maxvik 16 September 2013 12: 08 New
      +2
      + + +
      In the battle for Syria, Russia won a local victory and much more can change there. But the main thing is that Russia, being weaker than the United States in the military and economic sense, gained the upper hand based on the principle "Force is in truth". And this will have long-lasting consequences. Well, for example, in the west, ordinary people will become more and more interested in and trusting RT and other Russian media. At the same time, you do not need to spend crazy money on intrusive propaganda. The audience there is already ripe. And within a few years Russia may have a powerful lever of pressure to the west.
  12. Sunjar
    Sunjar 16 September 2013 08: 51 New
    +7
    The article is good. Put a plus. But again, the Jews are to blame. I believe that the "puppeteers" do not identify with any nation. They are always supranational. As a result, they will also get rid of the Jewish people as having completed their task and more unnecessary.

    I consider the meaning of the existence of Russia to be truth (for the peoples living in our country this has always been an important aspect, justice, conscience and much more fit into the position of truth), creation, example and guideline for all other peoples of the world (this has been shown more than once in the history of the world , and now the same thing is observed: for an adequate European we are now, as the holder of family values).
  13. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 16 September 2013 09: 10 New
    +2
    The catastrophic destruction of the United States such as the USSR is generally undesirable. Too many are tied to them now, especially in the global economy. According to this, the fragments of this colossus, if not on clay feet, but not on reinforced concrete ones, can fill many people in the world. But smooth stagnation to the level of Canada or Australia is already an option. It seems that people do not live badly, but the threat to peace is minimal.
    1. rugor
      rugor 16 September 2013 09: 23 New
      +2
      This requires a new reserve currency. Yuan is actively preparing for this.
    2. AlNikolaich
      AlNikolaich 16 September 2013 09: 43 New
      0
      Quote: lewerlin53rus
      The catastrophic destruction of the United States such as the USSR is generally undesirable. Too many are tied to them now, especially in the global economy. According to this, the fragments of this colossus, if not on clay feet, but not on reinforced concrete ones, can fill many people in the world. But smooth stagnation to the level of Canada or Australia is already an option. It seems that people do not live badly, but the threat to peace is minimal.

      I agree with you! good America must stay. But her views and principles must change. In accordance with the precepts of Martin Luther King and the Declaration of Human and Citizen Rights, as the "founding fathers" of the United States wrote. But for this, apparently, it will be necessary for the American people to plant Washington hawks at the peak, and half of the US Congress. But in another way it will not work. The reactionary forces in America hold power and money tightly. In short, the states need a revolution!
      PS Something stalled rumors about the separation of Texas. Maybe the initiators of the process are already buried in plastic coffins, in accordance with the "US democratic policy"?
  14. baltika-18
    baltika-18 16 September 2013 09: 36 New
    +1
    Article minus. I dumped everything in a heap. The main idea of ​​the article is expressed in the title. And there are a few lines at the end and everything else, as the saying goes, water for volume. The topic is not disclosed, but it's a pity, because in principle Skif is right. But the emphasis is not on personal memories had to be done, but how it all began and how the project developed, starting from the 17th century, at least briefly. It would be much more interesting and then it would be something to talk about. And so ...
  15. left-wing
    left-wing 16 September 2013 09: 37 New
    0
    According to Putin’s behavior, it’s clear that Russia is primarily for observing world law, this is a national idea, we will always be on the side of law. We are right - that means we will win.
  16. Just
    Just 16 September 2013 09: 57 New
    +3
    Quote: serge-68-68
    ... They live happily ever after and are not going to fall apart.


    The FBI is about to go home for a full week, the Pentagon is about to fire almost a million employees, many programs to develop weapons, families, because of debts, are being rolled out, tens of thousands of people are thrown out of their homes a month, etc. etc.
    Is this something "happily ever after"?
    As for the “not going to”, the aforementioned FBI, the Pentagon and families were not going to live worse either.
    The United States defeated the social camp on credit. Now it's time to return the money. But there’s nothing to pay.
  17. pklimov
    pklimov 16 September 2013 10: 29 New
    +3
    Quote: 755962
    And what is the meaning of the existence of Russia, its national idea, without which no country will last long?


    Plus millionaire (s), as my friend puts it. Let's start with ourselves, with raising our children, you look, through generations two or three, and the bulk of the people will be able to form contempt for money-grubbing, the desire to chop off more than necessary for living, and through this - the rejection of bribes, from where - resistance to offers "emissaries of free countries" and so on. I give out pink glasses for free, :-) but for myself the course is clear.
    1. true love
      true love 16 September 2013 15: 07 New
      +1
      “Forming contempt for money-grubbing” is not possible without an all-consuming idea. What is this idea? As long as a person thinks that after death there is nothing, he will constantly desire "for himself a loved one ...".
  18. Vityaz68
    Vityaz68 16 September 2013 10: 41 New
    +3
    YES PEOPLE, A GREAT ERROR WE MADE WHEN THE USSR COLLAPSED. We are the EASTERN PEOPLES.
    COMMUNISM IS A THING EASTERNALLY EASTERN AND ARTICALLY RUSSIAN. AMERICOS DARK TO DECEIVE US.
    And FOR THE USA - LET DECLINE AND DECAY, HELL THEM!
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  22. Ossetian.
    Ossetian. 16 September 2013 11: 03 New
    +4
    RUSSIA is the design of GOD, that is, for what it exists in the world. Understanding this plan and embodying it in your life is the duty of every Orthodox person.
    GO RUSSIA WITH US GOD !!!
  23. Alex66
    Alex66 16 September 2013 11: 12 New
    +4
    And what is the meaning of the existence of Russia, its national idea, without which no country will last long?

    The meaning of the existence of Russia is life in good conscience (rightly, God is not in power, but in truth) only when citizens trust their leaders, when the conditions are the same for everyone, when one for all and all for one.
    And he seeks the meaning of life, only one who does not see this who has no conscience.
  24. velikoros-xnumx
    velikoros-xnumx 16 September 2013 11: 17 New
    +6
    I will not be lazy and repeat:

    "... Russia is not human dust and chaos. It is, first and foremost, a great people who did not squander their strength and did not despair in their calling. These people were hungry for free, for peaceful labor, for property and for national culture. Not bury it prematurely!

    The historical hour will come, he will rise from the imaginary coffin and demand his rights back! "
    Ilyin I.A.
  25. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 16 September 2013 11: 29 New
    +3
    There is a lot of pioneer enthusiasm, but, alas, there is not enough depth of knowledge. From this very superficial, a kind of Darwinist conclusions. Although the article I put +
    Everything is much deeper and more complex. One thing is clear that the reformatting of the Anglo-Saxon empire and goodness awaits us, alas it will not bring.
    Again, I am returning my colleagues to the study of precisely this process by M. Leontiev - "The Big Game":
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWBo9mEOiaU
    By the way, I especially recommend the author to this author to broaden his horizons.
    I also recommend A. Fursov to everyone. He delved into this topic very well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXtbATyGZpU&list=PL8D020338B76CBA8E
    Have a good week friends!smilehi
  26. repytw
    repytw 16 September 2013 11: 34 New
    +2
    Quote: true love
    Russia has always been multinational and at the same time remains Russia. Russians, as carriers of ideology, have not gone away. I have a friend, by ethnicity he is Armenian, was born in Moscow, graduated from MGIMO, studied in Egypt, works at a bank ... So he considers himself a Russian and is very worried about everything that happens to HIS Motherland, Russia. Nationality is a diagnosis! A person of any nationality can be in any capacity - a hero or a murderer, a traitor or a winner. We must stop thinking about a person as someone of a certain nationality. He is either a creator or a destroyer of both himself and everyone around him. Stalin was a Georgian and that we need to idolize all Georgians? Absurd. Stalin was a wise Ruler, and the fact that Russia under his leadership won the Second World War, we still can not forgive the Anglo-Saxons. Anglo-Saxons - this is not a nationality - this is a diagnosis. And Russian is an adjective word and it can be “attached” to any nationality.


    But in order for the Armenian, Chechen, Tajik to feel Russian, one needs to be introduced to the general culture, language, mentality, if you take Russian as in Ukraine and hamper that he is Ukrainian, give him opposite ideas and he all became Ukrainian, an hour even Russians begin to isolate themselves in Siberians, Far Easterners, and what can we say about nationality.
    The state has long had to do something with national politics, otherwise we won’t multiply the lost territories, but we won’t save Russia in the form that exists now. Here is one of the directions of the national idea.
    A country in which the state-forming nation is not respected, and other countries are not respected, may be in this crisis with Ukraine and Belarus.
    1. true love
      true love 16 September 2013 15: 40 New
      +1
      Everything is much simpler. As the ancients said, "start with yourself." As long as each citizen does not realize his personal responsibility for his own fate, it is practically impossible to convey to him the idea of ​​"universal goodness." Jesus said: - "Save yourself and thousands will be saved next to you." Why are there so many people here on the forum who sympathize with Putin? Because he is the leader? Before that, there were many “leaders”, but there were few fans, only critics. So why are we so sympathetic to Putin? Does he “collect” the Great Empire? Because he is able to speak without aspiration with the leaders of the USA, Britain, Germany and hedgehogs with them? For the fact that he is ready to revive the army and navy? Perhaps we prefer that, in spite of the “swamp” brethren, he says that the Caucasus is part of Russia, and “we will wet the bandits in the toilet” and it does not matter what nationality he is. He is the Russian leader! And most importantly, he has a team! You can’t do it alone. So much for the national idea. Without a leader, it may not even exist, even if it is on everyone’s lips!
  27. sellrub
    sellrub 16 September 2013 11: 35 New
    +3
    The article "About nothing." I hope the author will see my opinion.
    Hmm ... The Sneakers generation is trying to strain their brains. Does not work. He never had a Soviet in Consciousness. Honestly money does not know how.
    And, most importantly - the complete absence of logic. I'm sorry. The article is empty. With respect.
  28. Igarr
    Igarr 16 September 2013 12: 18 New
    +3
    Normal essay.
    Read interesting.
    ..
    Here is another annoying me. And why are you all, as an investment in a bank, trying exactly to calculate - what is the meaning of the existence of America, Russia?
    Such a calculation is essentially meaningless.
    Man is born to die. No one, for some reason, at least 300 years did not live.
    At the same time - a person must - at least try to make life better. And, even when we translate the granny across the street, the soul becomes cleaner.
    How many states, powers, empires or Reichs were there ... there? Everyone completed their cycle. Differently.
    The same will be with the USA. Dates - not determined.
    And here is Russia ....
    Russia-this is something .. obscure. In common terms. As a state, the state arose and collapsed many times. Those. stubbornly demonstrated all the laws of dialectics. At the same time, I note, other territories also demonstrate. But - they have no such territory as Russia.
    My opinion, purely my opinion ... Russia is a kind of battery for the WORLD. A kind of - a source of backup revival.
    After all, remember .... Russia is an eternal irritant for everyone. The eternal engine of progress.
    But worth it.
    And it will stand.
    This is the historical mission of Russia.
    I think so.
    .
    ..
    Yes. And, in my opinion, the most significant.
    I was not in vain stressed about the territory. As long as Russia has it, there is Russia.
    Therefore, the primary task, the national idea is to preserve the integrity of Russia.
    1. true love
      true love 16 September 2013 15: 47 New
      +1
      Russia is the soul of the planet. Therefore, the Western materialists are eager to destroy it. After all, when there is a Soul of the World, it is very difficult to do disgusting things, there is always someone nearby who, by his presence alone, will say that you cannot be called a person if you live an animal life.
  29. true love
    true love 16 September 2013 12: 31 New
    +1
    Quote: Ossetian.
    RUSSIA is the design of GOD, that is, for what it exists in the world. Understanding this plan and embodying it in your life is the duty of every Orthodox person.
    GO RUSSIA WITH US GOD !!!


    I would correct you ... the duty of every person of any faith. The main thing is a believer in God!
  30. olviko
    olviko 16 September 2013 12: 31 New
    +2
    "In fact, there is no sense in the existence of the United States, because this country has already lost its internal meaning."

    Dear, how could you write this? A nightmare !!! Where will we keep our stabilization fund? Unhappy Europe! Who will take her poodles for a walk, to all sorts of Iraq, Yugoslavia, Libya, etc. And you thought about Israel that after such words the God-chosen people may say ... collective diarrhea. In the states, over there, from a single letter from Putin, Senator Robert Menendez, she began to feel sick, and McCain was generally worried about the mental abilities of every American. Write another article about future prospects, taking into account the comments made, and this article is a plus.
  31. sheih_merden
    sheih_merden 16 September 2013 12: 33 New
    0
    Strange, it displays a message that "the message contains text that is not acceptable for publication", and it was not possible to post a comment on Alex66's comment. Just wrote about conscience, truth and justice. Maybe some phrase seems unacceptable to someone.

    So what?
  32. chushoj
    chushoj 16 September 2013 13: 17 New
    -1
    When the “boss” offers to resign to a subordinate for what the “boss” saw on the horizon a more needed person, then all this is perceived as normal.
    Today, such an idea of ​​the “boss” is understandable and familiar to everyone, but not to me.
    Discussing the topic “a violinist is not needed” when it comes to an entire country in the USA does not fit into any framework. This is not even genocide.
  33. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 16 September 2013 13: 34 New
    +3
    It’s interesting that Malchish - Kibalchish about bourgeois cookies - tell me jam.

    I’ll say that you don’t give a damn about bourgeois sweets.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 16 September 2013 13: 45 New
      +3
      The jam with the cookies is over. There were crackers.

      Food stamps are handed out in the USA, and stratification in society has reached record levels
      "... At present, in the United States, over 47,7 million people live by the card system, which was so actively criticized in the USSR. This exceeds the total population of Spain (47,3 million), Ukraine (44,5 million), Argentina (42,6 million), Poland ( 38,3 million), Canada (34,5 million) and Iraq (31,8 million) ... "

      the entire text: http://79.111.164.190/page.php?id=223
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  35. nikcris
    nikcris 16 September 2013 13: 53 New
    +2
    belay
    Foul written. The author DREAMED about cocoa. And there was only tap water, which they did not have time to drink to the end. And crackers.
    PS Now, apparently, everywhere he goes with a thermos with "hot chocolate", that is - cocoa.
    negative
  36. georg737577
    georg737577 16 September 2013 14: 01 New
    -1
    Obviously, the author of Snickers didn’t finish as a child ... Of course, the tragedy (sorry for the guy), but no reason to write articles.
  37. Black
    Black 16 September 2013 14: 56 New
    0
    the meaning of the Soviet Union is to build a just state of free people, to build socialism, and subsequently, communism.
    .
    Then gradually the ideals of socialism gradually ceased to believe at the top
    .
    The meaning was taken out of the country and it crumbled.

    Just like that, milestones of a long way !!! .... For propaedeutics of the history course in the 3rd grade of the school. And the conclusion is
    betrayal of its ideals (meaning of existence) leads to the weakening of states, the death of countries and peoples.
    With all due respect to the author ...
    The country lost the idea, and hence the base in 1917. The rest is natural.

    In America ...

    The term "American Dream" means personal success at all costs.
    Well that's not true. Most of American society has had spiritual restrictions, and there are no cliches about the unloved ...
    Nowadays, states are rapidly turning into a police state.- from the same opera.
    The country's special services began to work "deeper and wider" ... It would not hurt for ours to work the same way (I would have felt much calmer. The Bolotniks would have dried up at the zygote stage, on the rush-guantanoma in the Solovetsky Islands for McCain is ready to donate ...

    ....

    It is possible that the states simply fall apart and instead appear Northern Mexico, the Texas Republic, ....

    I, like you, = FOR !!!, but who will ask us that!
  38. nikcris
    nikcris 16 September 2013 15: 05 New
    0
    I read about KakaVU - I immediately remembered Bumbarash laughing
  39. Normal
    Normal 16 September 2013 15: 55 New
    +2
    In order to draw the right conclusions, we need the right data, prerequisites and a clear understanding of the causes and effects.
    In the article, in my opinion, this is just not there.
    Starting with the title, the author begins to replace the real with the desired. What does it mean there is no point in the existence of the USA? But what's the point of existence? Any country, people, humanity? What is the meaning of the existence of man and society. We do not know ... It is not given to us to understand.
    No, at our level we find meanings. But why everything was created on a global scale is not clear.
    Why on earth did the author decide that he could determine the need for the existence of the United States?
    Based on the assertion that the American dream faded, you can certainly make predictions, but if you distort the very meaning of the American dream, then the conclusion will not be true
    The term "American Dream" means personal success at all costs - it is simply a dream of an egoist.

    Actually
    The American dream is the ideal of freedom or opportunity, ..... ... the American dream of a country where everyone’s life will be better, richer and fuller, where everyone will have the opportunity to get what he deserves ......
    Since people are created equal ... then everyone’s life should be better, richer and fuller, with opportunities for everyone in accordance with his abilities or achievements - regardless of social class or circumstances of birth ......
    The concept of the “American dream” is often associated with immigrants who have arrived in the United States in search of a better life. The fact that they were leaving countries where, unlike the United States, there was a rather rigid social system that limited social mobility, determined their commitment to the philosophy of individual freedom and free enterprise. The concept of the American dream is closely connected with the concept of "self-made person", that is, a person who, through hard work, achieved success in life ......
    The components of the “American Dream” are also ideal equality of all before the law, regardless of ethnic origin and social status , ....

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Dreamer


    But the author calls all this a "dream of an egoist". So .... But is it not selfish desire that people want to live better tomorrow than yesterday? Is it not selfish aspiration that determines the desire for change, career growth, money, power, power and influence that are inherent in Russian industrialists, the Russian elite, Russian rulers, and the population of Russia?
    So for clarity, let's leave selfishness alone.
    Yes, we would like the United States to cease to be a superpower, to stop dictating its will to the rest of the world. Yes, the exploitation by the ruling class of America of ideas formulated under the term "American Dream" has led to some loss of confidence in them about the whole world. Nevertheless, at the grassroots level in America, these ideas work, and if sensible politicians come to control in the United States, this state will exist for a long time (unfortunately)
  40. Nrsimha42
    Nrsimha42 16 September 2013 16: 14 New
    +3
    One hundred percent agree with the author! I have been living in America for 15 years and have experienced all this fake freedom more than once in my own skin.
  41. Black
    Black 16 September 2013 18: 49 New
    +1
    Quote: Normal
    What is the meaning of the existence of man and society. We do not know ... It is not given to us to understand.


    In this sense, M. Weller has a good theory, following which, the meaning of human existence, especially society, is in TRANSFORMATION until entropy reaches zero.
    T.ch. Based on this, the United States is what we need !!!
    1. Normal
      Normal 16 September 2013 21: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: Chen
      In this sense, M. Weller has a good theory


      "The universal theory of everything", if I am not mistaken ....
      The theory is interesting and quite convincing, but just a theory ....
      If we assume that man was created for the final reconstruction of the world right up to the new Big Bang, then the creation of a single state under the control of the world government is a necessary stage. But if God created man for this action, then this action is beyond the power of God himself. Some kind of contradiction here ....
      Quote: Chen
      T.ch. Based on this, the United States is what we need !!!


      Not at all necessary. Maybe the United States is just one of many empires in the history of mankind. Maybe the United States is not intended to become a world state? If they say, wait and see ... If we survive ....
  42. Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 16 September 2013 20: 27 New
    +2
    States live exploiting the ball. Protest moods in the world are gradually depriving them of food, but this is not the reason that will cease to exist. I think, building their socialism (35% of the US budget goes to benefits), the Americans are at a standstill. Do not feed - it is impossible, there will be a revolution, feed - paper is not enough to print money. The future of the United States, and very soon - a civil war, as it is not sad. Why is it sad? Yes, because in America there are a lot of normal people, they fought in World War II, they are engineers, scientists, musicians, and so on. But they do not rule, they are bent just as the whole ball.
  43. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 16 September 2013 20: 34 New
    -1
    We have sugar on coupons, nothing but sprats and birch juice in the store

    Well, 2 91 we didn’t have any coupons anyway, about birch sap it’s all nonsense
    Another option: America finally discards its democratic masquerade and builds a “normal”, legally formalized system of the kind described in Star Troopers.
    and after reading this, the interest in the article has generally faded away, it’s interesting that HePlayn Heinlain read? !!!
    1. FC SKIF
      16 September 2013 21: 01 New
      0
      Read-read. Actually, the "star landing" was also a bonus story, I don’t remember the name, but there a group of teenagers falls on an uninhabited planet to pass the adult exam, the connection is interrupted and young robinsons are trying to survive. And the star landing describes a police state, terribly militarized and unpleasant. I’m kind of about that.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 16 September 2013 22: 05 New
        +1
        Quote: FC Skiff
        A star landing describes a police state, terribly militarized and unpleasant

        Apparently, they either didn’t read or understand, the police society as well as the militarized there is not at all, in the society described by the author, only those who served in the army had the right to vote
        1. FC SKIF
          16 September 2013 22: 56 New
          +1
          Well, one of us did not read this book, but it is on my shelf. Sincerely.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 16 September 2013 23: 27 New
            +1
            I have a medical encyclopedia on my shelf, this does not mean that I carefully read it all
  44. HERMAJOR4IK
    HERMAJOR4IK 16 September 2013 21: 41 New
    +2
    you know, I don’t like America, but I respect and never scum) America is, in the full sense of the word, a world empire a direct modern analogue of the Roman empire since its heyday and the beginning of sunset)) the Romans also let in a bunch of migrants and dispersed into them like a strong nation ) the army also recruited barbarians because they didn’t want to serve because it was possible to get a warmer on a citizen) then all sorts of alien horseradish began to become emperors (see USA and Obama) in general the USA follows the path of the Roman Empire) would learn better from her rather on her mistakes ) And even such a moment is pinned on me by the majority of ardent anti-bombers eating and praising something from American food, hamburgers, cheeseburgers, french fries, hot dogs, all kinds of chikens, or go to the VKontakte page and there almost all of the playlist is clogged by Western performers; these observators are hanging jeans drooling delight in American computer games) and, on occasion, forget about their urapatriotism and are not averse to the opportunity to merge into this fucking school), but I don’t want to be ordinary) and the local marshal, too)) in general, the United States has great culture and literature in terms of classics not worse than ours, but I don’t speak about show business so glimpses of a grain of gold on the heap (_) and in the USA you know) Kobzon is no match for Elvis Presley and Pugachev Tine Turner but there is a chile project, for example) and most Americans are good guys and girls are sure) against the war in Syria more than 60 percent of the US population) it’s good to unite with them in the fight against the invasion of migrants by these barbarians of the new era so that they do not ruin our great European-American civilization and do not overthrow the civilized world in the new dark Middle Ages)
    1. Asan Ata
      Asan Ata 17 September 2013 00: 09 New
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      If you delve into your story, you will be surprised to find that many of your esteemed heroes are not titular, but, as you say, there will be migrants. As for European-American civilization, they won’t let you on the doorstep, you are a migrant just like everyone else.
      And on creativity I would argue. Kobzon is certainly not Elvis, but he also has a different role. But Pugacheva Tina and the floor would not take. She, though Jewish, is ours, Russian.
      1. HERMAJOR4IK
        HERMAJOR4IK 17 September 2013 14: 55 New
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        migrants, to migrants, hatred, I spoke out about chock (chocks are a certain circle of nationalities, by the way, is it interesting to you or not, but I don’t have Kazakhs among them, I have a Kazakh wife and Kazakhs don’t ride jeeps in the center of Moscow and they don’t shoot their heads in the center of Moscow so a small remark) and among my esteemed heroes chock migrants excuse me not observed
        1. Asan Ata
          Asan Ata 17 September 2013 22: 25 New
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          Take a closer look at your story. Once they called Pushkin chock and Lermontov Scottish roots, Alexander Nevsky was related to Batu, Bagration from the Georgian princes, Alexander Matrosov Bashkirs, but how many of them, the heroes who glorified Russia, Russia, the USSR, and again, Russia? I’m talking about: not to sow discord among compatriots, but to find that common, for which they will give all their lives.
  45. Corsair
    Corsair 16 September 2013 22: 33 New
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    The title of the article:
    There is no point in the further existence of the USA

    Without going into discussions about how "America feels," I note (and this is my personal subjective assessment) that the United States is becoming a kind of "tool" in the hands of states capable of paying for bouncers to achieve their own economic, religious, political and other interests.
    That's the point ...
    1. FC SKIF
      16 September 2013 22: 57 New
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      I have in P.S. There is something on this subject.
  46. michajlo
    michajlo 17 September 2013 00: 58 New
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    Quote: S_mirnov today 12:31, _130916 / pon
    Quote: starshina78
    Would rather fall apart! You look then they will not bark so much to the whole world!

    Then China will begin to “bark”, and he is at our side, they don’t even have to cross the ocean. It is difficult to predict what the collapse of the United States for the Russian economy (tied to the dollar) comes with.
    The way out in this situation is not to shatter foreign states (or even fall under their rubble), and in creating your own strong state in the post-Soviet space. A state oriented towards protecting the interests of its own citizens, a state of power of the People. Then the unification process will go!
    In the meantime, alas, think for yourself why Ukrainian oligarchs unite with Russian oligarchs or Kazakhs? They are all well and good.

    Good evening, dear Alexander! I agree with you completely. good

    I’ll add on my own that the Soviet world imposed on us by the Soviet people "is a world of chastogan and chasing money / for the most part by strangers, by theft" - for us it is like a plague! The sooner we get back to our HUMAN principles, which are laid down both on the good parts of Soviet socialism and on Orthodox orders, the better we all will be and we will quickly unite.
    And to all of us together, no enemies and the constantly unsatisfied “world government” will be dangerous! good

    On the topic of faith in God, forum users said well on a different branch, forgot his name, which is when evaluating the activities of political officers in the Second World War "there were no atheists under shelling!"

    In addition to you, many members of the forum have expressed very good ideas and thoughts, with which I agree without hesitation.
    It is good that we all exchange thoughts here and learn from each other. After all, it is written in the Scripture, "man does not live by bread alone!" good