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Will Ukraine retain the status of a reliable supplier of military equipment?

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It is known that Ukraine is one of the world's largest suppliers of weapons. Most of the money in the treasury of Kiev comes from the sale of modernized armored vehicles of the Soviet sample. The Kharkov factory of a name of Malyshev is one of leaders of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex making heavy and light armored machinery, including engines for fighting vehicles and spare parts to them.

Back in 2009, official Baghdad signed a contract with Ukrspetsexport for the supply of a very large batch of military equipment: armored personnel carriers, aircraft and tanks. The deal amounted to about $ 2,4 billion. Most of the obligations under this contract were undertaken by the Malaysians - they needed to produce 450 BTR-4 units. Deliveries began in 2010, shipment was carried out in small batches. During this time, 100 units of armored personnel carriers were transferred to the customer. And although the delivery took place with slight delays, both parties believed that the contract was being carried out normally. The Ukrainian side is very interested in the full implementation of the contract, since competition in the arms market segment is very fierce, and Kiev would like to retain the position of a reliable supplier.

And, of course, for Ukrainian exporters, the fact that the Customer refused to accept a batch of armored personnel carriers, in the number of 42 pieces, which arrived in one of the ports of Iraq, became a real tragedy.

So, in March 2013, in the port of Odessa, military vehicles were loaded onto a Singapore Pacific Se vessel leased by Varamar. 26 April ship moored off the coast of Iraq. Iraqi customers refused to accept the goods under the pretext of found defects in the body. Negotiations between the two sides were held for three long months and all this time the ship was in neutral waters near the Iraqi shores, despite the fact that on board was also metal intended for an Indian customer.

The Iraqi side claimed that there were cracks in the corps of armored personnel carriers, which were smeared with paint, so they would not accept such equipment. And in this regard, the customer had a reasonable doubt that the equipment was new and not modernized old.

At the same time, the Ukrainian side believed that the equipment was actually accepted by Iraqi specialists, who were on the commission when loading armored personnel carriers in the port of Odessa on a dry cargo ship. About the fact that the supplied equipment is not new, but the slightly modernized Ukrainian side has kept and remains silent.

After three months of unsuccessful negotiations between the parties to the conflict, the ship, without unloading, went to the shores of India to deliver a batch of Ukrainian metal to an Indian customer.

But the problems with Ukrainian suppliers are not over. Now the Indians have made claims for a delay of three months in the supply of 70 thousand tons of metal. The Indian customer of the Ukrainian metal intends to expose penalties not so much to the supplier of raw materials as to the shipowner. According to the court’s decision, the arrest was imposed not only on the vessel, but also on the cargo, and also determined the amount of the penalty in the amount of $ 500 thousand, which should go to the accounts of the Indians. The Indian side is demanding immediate payments - otherwise, to pay off the debt, the entire cargo of the ship, including armored vehicles of Ukrainian origin, will be put up for sale in order to cover the existing costs. It should be noted that the approximate cost of one BTR is about 1 million dollars.

This current situation, in fact, forced the Iraqi representatives to agree with the reception of military equipment. But until the issue is resolved with the customers of the metal, the vessel cannot leave the coast of India.

Note that the owner of Se Pacifica was previously paid a three-month rental fee for the vessel in the amount of 1 million dollars. Ukrainian exporters: Progress, Ukrspetsexport, and Ukroboronservice do not pay the shipowner with a forced simple cargo ship. Having received no explanation regarding the payment for services, the WWS shipowner company considers it possible to unload military equipment in a foreign port. In this case, the goods will be subject to arrest. The cargo will either be returned to the exporter after the payment of the amount of the arrest, or, in the absence of payment, the goods will be put up for sale.

Kharkiv Machine-Building Plant named after Malyshev for a long time experienced difficulties in obtaining orders for their products. The contract with Iraq became a bailout for the plant, and no one could have imagined that around such a desirable deal for the Ukrainian side of the deal, there would be no comic scandal. 42 BTR instead of enrolling in the army of Iraq for three months on the ship drifted into the waters of the Persian Gulf, and then became hostages of another deal in India. Now the question was the supply of the remaining 350 armored vehicles to an Iraqi customer. The Iraqi side has the right to terminate the contract not only on the basis of the defects of equipment found, but also for violation of the delivery time. The only question is how much Baghdad itself needs a Ukrainian contract. It is not excluded that due to the change of power that occurred in April of this year, the new leadership will find it beneficial for him to cease his actions.

And although Ukrainian exporters claim that the contract continues to run in a regular mode, experts are inclined to believe that this conflict will lead to the breakdown of the contract.

Several scenarios are considered.

Iraq will try to impose its line of conduct on Ukraine and terminate the contract. Moreover, it is assumed that it was the United States who imposed this contract on Iraq. Ukraine received this order with the assistance of its American colleagues as a "reward" for participating in the Iraqi military conflict. It is not excluded that the armored personnel carriers do not need the Iraqi army.

In the meantime, the Iraqi parliament is investigating the supply of Ukrainian armored personnel carriers. Iraqi military experts believe that the contract has a corruption component, and also assert that the equipment supplied is old, rusty and unsuitable for use. The investigative committee intends to bring the case to court against officials who have entered into this contract and are monitoring its implementation. For the time being, the case is witnessed by Iraq’s Defense Minister Saadoun ad-Duleimi.

If all the same, the Iraqi side will go on to continue the implementation of the contract, the specialists of the plant. Malysheva will eliminate the existing marriage on the spot. In this case, most likely, Iraq will try to reduce the cost of the contract due to identified defects in equipment.

It must be said that the unfolding conflict around the Ukrainian armored vehicles could harm Kiev’s plans to conclude a very favorable contract for the Ukrainian military-industrial complex for the modernization of armored personnel carriers for the Egyptian army. In order for Ukraine to retain the status of a reliable supplier of military equipment, it needs to take measures as soon as possible to resolve the multi-factor conflict situation that has been created.

Materials used:
http://vesti.ua/odessa/12066-pretenzii-iraka-mogut-stoit-polmilliarda
http://vesti.ua/biznes-vesti/16306-harkovskie-btry-stali-zalozhnikami-v-indii
http://vesti.ua/harkov/15499-btry-iz-harkova-drejfujut-v-indijskom-okeane-polgoda
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  1. Nicholas C.
    Nicholas C. 17 September 2013 07: 32 New
    +4
    Yeah, get drunk. And that in Ukraine there was no competent specialist who at least wouldn’t bring this to India?
    1. AVV
      AVV 17 September 2013 14: 21 New
      +1
      Ukraine has become a "reliable" supplier of scrap metal, but the Hindus will have to pay the penalty !!!
    2. rolik
      rolik 17 September 2013 14: 22 New
      +2
      Quote: Nikolai S.
      . And that in Ukraine there was no competent specialist who at least wouldn’t bring this to India?

      It is strange that in Ukraine there was not a single receiver from the Iraqi side. Who would inspect and accept the equipment being sent on the spot.
      1. Misha 13
        Misha 13 17 September 2013 18: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: rolik
        Quote: Nikolai S.
        . And that in Ukraine there was no competent specialist who at least wouldn’t bring this to India?

        It is strange that in Ukraine there was not a single receiver from the Iraqi side. Who would inspect and accept the equipment being sent on the spot.

        The equipment was actually adopted by Iraqi specialists who were part of the commission when loading armored personnel carriers in the Odessa port for a dry cargo ship
    3. Misantrop
      Misantrop 17 September 2013 16: 42 New
      +7
      Quote: Nikolai S.
      And that in Ukraine there was no competent specialist
      In Ukraine, full of competent specialists. But they are not allowed to come close to the government (traditionally, not only to the present). For one simple reason: the specialist always defends his point of view, the correct one. And why is it for the authorities, who have ABSOLUTELY other concerns and aspirations ... request
    4. Fin
      Fin 17 September 2013 16: 46 New
      +3
      IMHO. Amerikosy in 2014 withdraw troops from Afghanistan and have repeatedly voiced that it is much easier to abandon equipment than to bring it to the states. And then it dawned on them to drive it to Iraq on the cheap, and for this you need to fill up the contract with Ukraine. What they are successfully doing. The usual kidalovo, they have a lot of experience in this.
      1. alone
        alone 17 September 2013 19: 19 New
        +2
        the vehicles cannot be abandoned. the Taliban will get it. the cameras destroyed various vehicles worth $ 7 billion. The rest they want to withdraw through Pakistan and through Central Asia and the Caucasus to Europe. Moreover, some of the exported equipment and weapons are offered for transit
    5. Misha 13
      Misha 13 17 September 2013 18: 19 New
      0
      It’s not clear what you mean. The delay in delivery was caused by Iraq’s unwillingness to accept armored personnel carriers.
      1. Walking
        Walking 17 September 2013 18: 49 New
        +1
        Quote: Fin
        IMHO. Amerikosy in 2014 withdraw troops from Afghanistan and have repeatedly voiced that it is much easier to abandon equipment than to bring it to the states. And then it dawned on them to drive it to Iraq on the cheap, and for this you need to fill up the contract with Ukraine. What they are successfully doing. The usual kidalovo, they have a lot of experience in this.


        There is no joint border between Afghanistan and Iraq, so you still have to transport it, but the amers just don’t want to. The body is in the Iraqis themselves, maybe they gave little to the paw or didn’t share it with anyone.
  2. Su-9
    Su-9 17 September 2013 07: 48 New
    +1
    A strange article - no facts, only reasoning. It seems to be correctly written - but somehow slippery. Especially "pleased" this quote: "Most of the money in the Kiev treasury comes from the sale of modernized Soviet-style armored vehicles." - while the article itself is about the BTR-4, which, as I understand it, is a new development (body, layout, weapons ...).
    What happened to these APCs by the way? It seems to be slipping somewhere that they are already in Iraq.
    Kars?
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 17 September 2013 10: 19 New
      +1
      Quote: Su-9
      A strange article - without facts, only reasoning. It seems to be correctly written - but somehow slippery.

      No less strange than the reaction of official Kiev.
      All information is carefully retouched. No clear and intelligible answers should be given.
      What do you expect from the author?
    2. Kars
      Kars 17 September 2013 11: 19 New
      +5
      They write that Iraq is ready to accept them. Now there are problems with delivery from India to where the ship was transporting metal.
      As regards this incident, its significance is not particularly important, almost all countries had similar situations, and even worse. If everyone knows that Iraq and Arabs in general are not reliable people, they like to take advantage of it, especially if you put down the price BTR - old, with cracks in the body, etc. --- then they must be sent back without fail. Besides, there is no evidence from Iraq, and if everything is clean then a couple of photos with cracks in the cases would put all the dots over I .
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 17 September 2013 20: 43 New
        +5
        Quote: Kars
        .In addition, there is no evidence from Iraq, and if everything is clean then a couple of photos with cracks in the buildings would put all the dots over I.

        I read it yesterday!
        Kars could you comment?


        *** Note that over the past 10 years Azerbaijan has also purchased 150 BTR-70 units, 3 BTR-3U units and 17 BTS-5B universal multi-purpose tractors in Ukraine.

        But according to information received by APA from military sources, Azerbaijan refused the BTR-3 and BTR-4 transporters proposed by Ukraine several years ago. The reason for this was problems with welding, as well as difficulties encountered during the transportation of personnel. Similar problems exist in the BTR-4.

        “In terms of a number of important indicators, the BTR-3 and BTR-4 practically do not differ from their predecessors BTR-70 and BTR-80. The armor protection is not enhanced, and control remains just as difficult, ”the sources say.

        The information also says that during the tests in the mountains in Azerbaijan, the BTR-70 conveyors modernized by local experts showed higher maneuverability compared to the BTR-3 and BTR-4 Ukrainian-made. In addition, the machine control system was simplified.***
        http://vesti.az/news/173582
  3. Alibekulu
    Alibekulu 17 September 2013 08: 13 New
    +8
    Actually, the article gives an answer to the conflict with the UkrBeters. The problem is that the Iraqis especially did not want to buy Ukrainian BTR-4.
    The order of these weapons, as you know, was pushed through by the United States in gratitude to Ukraine, for their support of the operation in Iraq. It is clear that Iraq is not very fond of these "back flips".
    But they can’t refuse openly, and they hinder the acceptance of Ukrainian btera as much as possible ..
  4. Anatole Klim
    Anatole Klim 17 September 2013 08: 47 New
    +1
    A message flashed that Azerbaijan also abandoned the Ukrainian armored personnel carriers, reputation in the arms market means a lot.
    1. Kars
      Kars 17 September 2013 11: 21 New
      +2
      Quote: Anatol Klim
      A message flashed that Azerbaijan abandoned the Ukrainian armored personnel carrier,

      Was he going to? Signed an agreement of intent?
      1. jasper
        jasper 17 September 2013 18: 32 New
        0
        Dear, you are special. Do not tell me and the bastions are new or from 80-current? will you do?
        1. Kars
          Kars 17 September 2013 19: 24 New
          +3
          Quote: yasenpen
          important, you are special. Do not tell me and the bastions are new or from 80-current? will you do?

          A strange question. But you are already sure that from the 80s, and only believe me if I answer the same.
          Quote: lonely
          for testing. have passed various tests
          Documents naturally can not be seen?
          Quote: lonely
          There was no agreement of intent to purchase armored personnel carriers. This happens when purchasing armored vehicles.

          therefore, you can’t refuse purchases. Three bought, on this contractual obligations will be exhausted.
    2. alone
      alone 17 September 2013 19: 13 New
      +2
      3 BTR-3s were purchased for testing. We passed various tests and eventually refused further purchases. There was no agreement on the purchase of BTRs. When purchasing armored vehicles, this happens.
  5. Ruslan
    Ruslan 17 September 2013 08: 52 New
    +3
    how can they be old if appeared relatively recently? as if they are 20 years old. I admit marriage, but what can be modernized so that it turns into a BTR-4? the most similar BTR-80, but how is it necessary to digest it so that it changes so much? probably someone is putting pressure on the Iraqis. or trying to bend Ukraine or push their cars (law-25 or strikers)
  6. Druid
    Druid 17 September 2013 09: 28 New
    +7
    "In the meantime, the Iraqi parliament is investigating the supply of Ukrainian armored personnel carriers. Iraqi military experts believe that the contract has a corruption component, and also assure that the supplied equipment is old, rusty and unusable."
    Nonsense is complete. The corruption component must be sought elsewhere, and even a fool will not notice its reasons.
    Everything is very reminiscent of the Ukrainian contract for the supply of tanks to Pakistan, the Ukrainians managed then, and I think they can do it now.
    Quote: Anatol Klim
    A message flashed that Azerbaijan abandoned the Ukrainian armored personnel carrier,
    Azerbaijan purchased several units and subsequently did not continue the acquisition of the BTR-3E, not the BTR-4, and this was a very long time ago, since we are focused on the local production or modernization of light armored vehicles.

    On the BTR-4, Ukraine has so far reached an agreement on local production only with Kazakhstan, and nothing "flashed" about its refusal.
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 17 September 2013 10: 28 New
      +2
      Quote: Druid
      Azerbaijan purchased several units and subsequently did not continue the acquisition of the BTR-3E, not the BTR-4, and this was a very long time ago, since we are focused on the local production or modernization of light armored vehicles.


      “In terms of a number of important indicators, the BTR-3 and BTR-4 practically do not differ from their predecessors BTR-70 and BTR-80. The armor protection is not enhanced, and control remains just as difficult, ”the sources say.

      The information also says that during the tests in the mountains in Azerbaijan, the BTR-70 conveyors modernized by local experts showed higher maneuverability compared to the BTR-3 and BTR-4 Ukrainian-made. In addition, the machine control system was simplified.


      Read more at http://www.ann.az/ru/170829/azerbaydzhan-otkazalsya-ot-zakupki-ukrainskih-btr-3-
      i-btr-4 /
  7. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 17 September 2013 09: 59 New
    +1
    Well, let's start with the fact that our Defense Ministry in any case needs to replace the old Tu-134 with something (at least the salons). In this regard, JSC Voronezh Aircraft Building Company (VASO, part of JSC UAC) entered into a contract in May 2013 with the Russian Ministry of Defense for the supply of 15 An-148 aircraft during 2013-2017. The total amount of the contract is 18 billion rubles. According to the terms of the contract, in 2013 the military department should receive one aircraft, in 2014 and 2015 - four each, and in 2016 and 2017 - three An-148 each. At the same time, the contract assumes the possibility of early delivery, which is what VASO plans to use by supplying the first two aircraft to the Ministry of Defense in 2013.

    On April 25.04.2013, 140, the Samara Aviakor Aviation Plant OJSC announced that it had signed a new contract with the Russian Ministry of Defense for the construction of three more An-100-140 turboprop aircraft for the Naval Aviation of the Navy. The aircraft will be manufactured in a standard cargo and passenger version. Aviakor plans to manufacture and transfer them to the customer within a year. The total number of An-100-14 aircraft contracted by the military department on Aviakor is 4, including 2009 for naval aviation. The first aircraft of this type was built at Aviakor for the Ministry of Defense under a December 23 contract and was handed over to the Air Force on December 2011, 24.04.2011. On April 140, 100, the Ministry of Defense issued a contract for the production of nine more An-2-2011 aircraft for the Air Force, according to which 17.04.2013 aircraft have been built to date. Another aircraft was built under a separate contract with the Navy, concluded by the enterprise in December XNUMX, and finally delivered to the customer on April XNUMX, XNUMX.
    1. Jake danzels
      Jake danzels 17 September 2013 15: 05 New
      +2
      Oops, not there :)
  8. Cristall
    Cristall 17 September 2013 10: 54 New
    +6
    Iraqi order-Ukraine itself is disadvantageous. There is a dark deal through 3 faces. I won’t be surprised if Ukraine generally makes it at a loss, trying to maintain its image. Although I hope that the money will be transferred to the plant and workers. The plant finished the year with a small profit. What warms the soul .. Kharkov you need to save ... and Nikolaev, Zaporozhye .. tanks, ships .. a little better with airplanes and missiles but also still dangerous ...
    If the government has changed there, then according to the Eastern rite, he demands his bakshish. Bakshish paid to the past government no longer channels. Therefore, quality has nothing to do with it. I wonder what the lawyers will say = because the deal, although dark, is framed.
  9. Druid
    Druid 17 September 2013 11: 59 New
    +6
    Quote: Flood
    “In terms of a number of important indicators, the BTR-3 and BTR-4 are practically no different from their predecessors, the BTR-70 and BTR-80. The armor protection is not enhanced, and the management remains as difficult. "
    BTR-4 is qualitatively different from BTR-70, BTR-3, BTR-80, BTR-82 for the better, solving the shortcomings of its predecessors based on the BTR-60, an amphibian without a roof, designed for actions primarily in the European theater of operations .
    BTR-4 is an average armored personnel carrier that is not inferior to either foreign counterparts or the above classmates of Russian, Ukrainian production in security. There are standards for mine resistance and bullet resistance, they are not sucked out of the finger and BTR-4 fully corresponds to them.
    "Some sources" referred to in the original by APA's correspondent, we will leave the interpretation of their words on his conscience, speak of the following and I agree with this opinion. The "supposed" theater of military operations and their nature, and even elementary, most of the landscape of Azerbaijan, limit our needs for wheeled armored vehicles of the BTR 70-80-3-4 class, that is, in medium armored personnel carriers. We do not have a forest-steppe area, we do not have dozens of deep rivers and the need for amphibious capabilities of armored vehicles.
    The reason for the refusal to supply BTR-3 and -4 is commonplace, at one time we purchased more than one and a half hundred BTR-70 from only one Ukraine, it is much more correct and more expedient to upgrade them, and ourselves, developing our military-industrial complex. BTR-4 does not give advantages in our specific conditions, from wheeled vehicles we need more secure BTR and MRAP, the production of which we have just deployed. Pay attention to the type and caliber of the machine gun on the South African machines of our assembly.
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 17 September 2013 15: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: Druid
      BTR-4 does not give advantages in our specific conditions, from wheeled vehicles we need more secure BTR and MRAP, the production of which we have just deployed. Pay attention to the type and caliber of the machine gun on the South African machines of our assembly.

      Comparing the BTR-70 and BTR-4 with an almost twofold difference in mass is not entirely true.
      Rather, the buyer did not see any obvious advantages behind the proposed technique that would be an argument "for".
      1. alone
        alone 17 September 2013 19: 16 New
        +2
        there were found problems with welding seams. and when tested on mountainous terrain, it turned out that the local modernized BTR-70 with a "shimshek" turret is superior to the BTR-3 in some parameters.
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 18 September 2013 09: 08 New
          0
          Alone,
          in the video above laid out by the Druid, flash BRDM-2.
          Do you know something about their modernization for the Azerbaijani armed forces?
  10. Sergeant
    Sergeant 17 September 2013 13: 13 New
    +3
    Will Ukraine retain the status of a reliable supplier of military equipment?

    Maybe it will, but not within the framework of the "association with the EU."
    It is unlikely that they will be allowed to seriously work with the arms industry ...
  11. washi
    washi 17 September 2013 15: 29 New
    +2
    Most of the money in the treasury of Kiev comes from the sale of modernized Soviet-style armored vehicles.
    Soviet warehouses will be crushed to the end and export will end.
  12. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 17 September 2013 15: 38 New
    +1
    On July 23, 2013, the specialized inter-district court of Alma-Ata (Kazakhstan) sentenced Major General Almaz Asenov, former head of the main arms department of the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan, to 11 years of imprisonment under strict regime, confiscation of property, and deprivation of military rank for receiving a bribe of $ 200 from two employees of the Ukrainian state-owned Ukrspetsexport - the head of the First Regional Department, Alexander Shkolyarenko and his deputy, Alexander Khrulev. Shkolyarenko and Khrulev were sentenced to six years in strict regime and confiscation of property. The trial was closed. Ukrspetsexport and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine issued statements that they will seek the extradition of convicted company employees to their homeland.

    Shkolyarenko and Khrulev were arrested on January 26, 2013 at the airport of Alma-Ata, where they flew in with money to transfer them to Asenov. According to the press secretary of the Military Court of Kazakhstan, Sholpan Shiketaeva, the bribe to Asenov was intended for assistance in concluding contracts with Ukrspetsexport for the supply of arms and repair of aviation equipment, including the An-72 aircraft of the Border Guard Service of the National Security Committee of Kazakhstan, which crashed on December 25, 2012 on the approach to Chimkent (acting as Director of the Border Guard Turganbek Stambekov and another 26 people died on board). The official cause of the An-72 crash was crew errors and a malfunction of a number of instruments, including an altimeter. The board itself was launched in 1990 and underwent a major overhaul at the Kiev aircraft repair enterprise GP 410 GA in Ukraine in 2012.
    Earlier in 2010 in Kazakhstan, Kazhimurat Maermanov, former deputy defense minister of Kazakhstan, and Israeli defense company mediator Soltam, Elbit, Defense Aeronautics and IMI, an Israeli citizen (a native of the USSR and a former officer), were already sentenced to 11 years in prison for bribes and the supply of low-quality artillery equipment. Soviet Army) Boris Scheinkman.
    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/tag/%D0%A3%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0
    1. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu 17 September 2013 16: 19 New
      +1
      Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

      AND?!
      Actually, this is a Kazakhstan jamb ..
      Accidents after repairs at Russian enterprises can not lead to heaps ?!
      Thank you in advance ..
  13. Zahar Masoch
    Zahar Masoch 17 September 2013 16: 34 New
    +2
    It is strange that the article was written like a Ukrainian, but does not know simple things. Malyshev Plant has nothing to do with this order. The order is carried out by the Design Bureau. Morozova in its semi-artisan production facilities. There were at every machine-building research institute under the Union the so-called experimental production. So KB Morozov from greed and took it upon himself to produce his brainchild. So they turned out freaks - all the same, you can’t compare machines on Malyshev and Morozov’s.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 18 September 2013 01: 37 New
      0
      Quote: Zakhur Mazokh
      So KB Morozov from greed and took it upon himself to produce his brainchild. So they turned out freaks - all the same, you can’t compare machines on Malyshev and Morozov’s.

      And this only emphasizes the GENERAL state of affairs in the Ukrainian economy and politics. Otherwise, how the design bureau without having a sufficient production base got such a significant contract.
      Either the Ukrainian officials in charge of the military-industrial complex are complete, excuse BOLVANI or the case smacks of corruption request
  14. Druid
    Druid 17 September 2013 17: 59 New
    +1
    Quote: Zakhur Mazokh
    like a Ukrainian, but doesn’t know simple things
    lol Ie you say that the plant named after Malyshev does not participate in common with the KHBM in the BTR-4 side for Iraq? ... Yes, it’s strange, it seems that the Ukrainian wrote ... lol Do you know the language, do you understand Ukrainian mov?
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 17 September 2013 18: 07 New
      +7
      Quote: Druid
      Do you know the language, do you understand Ukrainian mov?

      They didn’t pay attention, HOW MUCH was that person talking in the conversation of those who made this technique? And today's youth, except for the language movement, does not really teach anything. Even the correspondent during a report from MOV into Russian involuntarily jumped lol
      1. etrusk
        etrusk 19 September 2013 11: 01 New
        +1
        Why wonder? Russian is the native language for most. Especially in these regions. Nothing new.
  15. 31231
    31231 17 September 2013 19: 18 New
    +1
    Did you find inspiration on Boval ?! It is published and published.
  16. Korben
    Korben 17 September 2013 20: 38 New
    +2
    With such a government and its entourage ukroboronpromu comes and will come a great scribe!
    Sawing money in Kiev, the crumbs go to the factories! Technique is assembled with the corresponding enthusiasm!
    But there is no future! Jackal live one day!
  17. Cristall
    Cristall 18 September 2013 00: 53 New
    +4
    oh this Kiev ...
    today half an hour tormented a 17-year-old resident of Kiev to give figures for the EU ... well, I ask, well, a couple of figures for what kind of carriage we will go to the death of the economy (in the east, by the way, Ukraine is mainly south and center)
    tortured in short tormented, except for slogans did not hear nicherta! at the end I ask him a question - are you ready to go to the death of the economy for the sake of association? The answer is yes! I did not ask him more questions. A guy talent in 3D max and models fumbles well.
    Only one thing pleases me - he is 17, knows little in this area - he says what he saw or heard. He lives in Kiev, so everything is fine and do not know at all how this budget is formed and how the money is formed in the state. The mind will come with age. It's a shame that he is not sorry for ANTK, MS and other Yuzhmashi - although he himself did 3D models of them for games! And I was proud that Ukraine has ... I’m not at ease - I can’t explain this!
    To be proud of what is and consciously kill it ... is this generally how ????
    And the factory, of course, respect - listened to the workers - they say they will gladly pass on the experience of youth and teach everything. Plus, young people learn new things faster in terms of informatization. But she doesn’t go --- interruptions from ZP frighten. When young people come to an uninterrupted ZP, the main thing is to quickly.
    The plant’s products are not the markets of the Russian Federation, but east or south. Perhaps the plant will not suffer from post-October repressions
  18. Sunscorpion
    Sunscorpion 18 September 2013 18: 45 New
    +3
    Quote: Nikolay S.
    Yeah, get drunk. And that in Ukraine there was no competent specialist who at least wouldn’t bring this to India?

    Although I’m not a fan of our government, let alone legalized thief-oligarchs, for the sake of justice I can see that India (and not only) refused Russian technology as well. So you do not need to look for a sliver in the eye of a neighbor, since you do not notice the logs in your own.
    For the workers of the plant, this is at least some money, but for the "managers" - another cut.
    PS In general, the Slav brothers - let's remember how it is normal to work, and not work, then the output will be the soul in the product, and not rust under the paint ...