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Galician error

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Galician errorIt is difficult to doubt that the majority of residents of the western regions of Ukraine (especially Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk and Ternopil) actively support the idea of ​​the existence of Ukraine as an independent sovereign state. This idea is shared not only by the "Svidomo" part of the population of this region (from frank fascists to moderately nationalistic intellectuals who are also found there, albeit in very limited quantities), but also "not svidomaya" too.


The actual difference between the Ukrainian nationalists and the Ukrainian independentists is determined by their attitude to the form of the state. Independents advocate a pragmatic “state of citizens”, which proves its right to exist in that it provides its population, regardless of ethnicity, with comfortable living conditions (preferably better than those of its neighbors). Nationalists advocate a totalitarian state of a nation or a nation-state that will provide advantages to a particular ethnic group, a self-name that coincides with the name of the state.

Initially, the problem of the Ukrainian nationalists was that in Ukraine "Ukrainians" (in their understanding) there was an overwhelming minority. The townspeople who made up 2 / 3 of the total population of Ukraine were 80% Russian-speaking. The rural population spoke numerous dialects (surzhikah), which, depending on the region of residence, were closer to the literary Russian, Ukrainian and Belarusian languages ​​and seriously differed from each other. So Poltava, Kharkiv and Chernihiv surzhik obviously were closer to the dialects of the Bryansk, Oryol and Belgorod regions than to the surzhik of Galicia.

Thus, the construction of a nation-state initially assumed the creation of a state for the overwhelming majority of its population (the literary Ukrainian used in everyday life a disappearing small percentage of the population, mostly from the so-called “mytziv”, and its replacement in the form of Galician surzhikov was a small language, sharply different from the rest of the country of the region). But such a project was doomed to failure, since the initial infringement of rights was assumed by almost 90% of the population. Moreover, if for the countryside such an infringement would pass unnoticed (all surjik-speaking, even those who do not understand each other are sure that they speak Ukrainian), then in Russian-speaking cities and in the capital active resistance was guaranteed. One can love Ukraine in any way “simply because I live here”, but in 1990-1992 years not every “lover of Ukraine” was willing to love Bandera, Shukhevych and other collaborators, and with a sinking heart to listen to the “European” diaspora Galician "govirku". In addition, the "totalitarian" USSR collapsed to build "democracy", not ethnocracy.

Therefore, at the first stage, the Ukrainian nationalists mimicked themselves as “national democrats” and led many years of creeping Ukrainization, and it would be more correct to say the galicization of society. This approach was adequate to the situation. The need for Ukraine’s galicization was determined by the nationalists' reliance on a single region that perceived independence as a super-value. The creeping nature of the galicization was caused by the need to focus on the next generations so as not to irritate the majority of the population. That is, the Ukrainians of the Galician oil spill should have constituted the overwhelming majority of the population of Ukraine by about 2030.

Most likely, preserve the smoothness of the transition (in the form of a slow, creeping) nature of Ukrainization - resistance would be useless. Pin shots do not cause public protest. Most of the society they are not noticed, many are perceived as something natural or historically inevitable. And most importantly, who in a normal, prosperous country will climb the barricades due to the fact that the helicopter has turned either into a wing wing, or into a helicopter. In the end, the Russian language also underwent changes (for example, during the XIX century the “hall” turned into a “hall”, and after 1917, “i”, “yat” disappeared from the alphabet, the spelling changed, including the use of the solid sign etc.). And the gradual transfer of education and clerical work to the “official language” did not disturb anyone (it wasn’t when there was a discussion in society in Kuchma’s Ukrainization). In general, the people understood this language, didn’t particularly come across it in everyday life, the bureaucratic bureaucracy, in Russian, in Ukrainian, was equally clumsy and inaccessible to the perception of a normal person.

However, at a certain point, after 2004, the smoothness of Ukrainization was interrupted. This gap was, of course, associated with the personality of Yushchenko - a man of little adequacy, but had an objective basis - the failure of the economic and social policy of an independent state, its obvious lag in development from its neighbors (from the same Russia, from which it was separated for sausage reasons) , powerfully demanded to explain the reasons for the defeat of independence, to present the guilty to the public and to draw a new path to success. After all, if they were separated from Russia in order to have more sausages, and as a result, more sausages became in Russia, then it is logical to join back (to the sausage). The logic of consumer separatism needed to be urgently replaced by the logic of xenophobic “patriotism”.

And again the grains fell into fertile soil. Even the non-nationalist Russian-speaking liberal intelligentsia (not to mention the liberal independent Westernizers) by the year 2004 could not recognize that its support for perestroika, Yeltsin, the collapse of the USSR was a huge mistake that the result was the plunder of the country and the impoverishment of the people, including and her (intelligentsia) impoverishment. The Russian-speaking intelligentsia of the cities, as well as the office plankton that appeared and multiplied, also needed an enemy, who would be blamed for the mistakes of the intelligentsia and for the fact that the plankton would never break into oligarchs.

Only Russia could be such an enemy for nationalists and for post-Soviet liberals. These are her "machinations", her "fifth column", her oil and gas, her security officers and her Putin "did not allow" poor Ukrainian "democrats" to build a prosperous state. That is why both Kuchma and Yanukovych, with a confident hand, more reliably Yushchenko, who led the country into NATO and into the EU, were treated by “patriots” as “pro-Russian”. They simply could not be pro-Western. Otherwise, the logic of conspiracy theory was lost. Therefore, Tarasyuk and Ogryzko, Yushchenko and Chervonenko, Zhvania and Martynenko, Poroshenko and Tymoshenko, who held high posts and simply financially flourished under Kuchma (and most under Soviet rule) suddenly turned out to be "fighters against the criminal regime" against "Russian domination." Similarly, the opposition today, fully supporting Yanukovych’s domestic and foreign policy and jostling with him only for a place at the trough, calls the prostitute the European integrator the pro-Russian president.

As we see, the “patriots” were led by the unshakable logic of political struggle. They thought she was leading them to victory. And today we should have considered that we have already won. After all, now in the country there is a unique situation - supposedly the pro-Russian government demonstrates the supposedly pro-European opposition that it is able to integrate into Europe faster and more efficiently than all the crap, boxers and fascists combined. The real pro-Russian movement is marginalized. There is not a single politician or political party who would be ready to sincerely and consistently defend the interests of these voters, who are still the majority in the country. In general, adherents of Ukrainian Ukraine could buy champagne.

But do not buy. Moreover, they are very tense and upset. It would seem what? The Russian vector of foreign policy has been reduced to zero. There are no pro-Russian forces in big politics. All media is totally “patriotic”. The fascists are allowed to freely roam the streets and even beat anyone they wish, when they wish, where they will and as they wish. Their opponents are already starting to plant. In general, the only thing missing is the "crystal night" for complete happiness.

But liberal-brown “patriots” do not feel happy. Can not explain why, but do not feel.

And the explanation lies on the surface. For many decades, they really convinced themselves that they were fighting for sovereignty, independence, democracy and the European choice. Even those who are really fighting for money. They really linked their fate, personal and professional, with independence. Neither “patriotic” journalists, nor European integrators, nor Russophobe politicians can count on more or less tolerable work outside the boundaries of an independent Ukrainian state. Qualification does not allow.

But just to ensure that their qualifications, or rather the lack thereof, did not prevent them from applying for leadership or simply profitable positions, an independent Ukrainian state was created. Thus, the Ukrainian “patriot”, as a rule, is a person who does not meet the qualification requirements for the position he occupies. But these requirements are not made by chance. It is sufficient qualification that allows to adequately protect the interests of the country, adequately assess information, adequately analyze the situation. If there is no qualification, the country is poorly managed. Decisions are made on the basis of erroneous assumptions, the analysis does not hold water. Actually, we see all this in modern Ukraine.

"Patriots" got into a vicious circle. Their low qualifications destroy the country that they need in order to feed from it, but they cannot change the qualification requirements, because then they will not be able to occupy positions from which they feed. In general, even the “patriots” already understand that the death of the Ukrainian state is inevitable. With each successive president, it looked less and less like a state, and with Yanukovych it finally turned into not even a factory, not a store, but a casket.

Cutting off the “patriots” of the Russian-speaking population, in order to avoid the competition of qualifications, the abandonment of normal relations with Russia, in order not to compete with the Moscow political elite and business, with Russian culture eventually led to intra-Ukrainian confrontation and to the transformation of the initially loyal to Ukraine, the Russian-speaking majority, if not enemies, then at least opponents of Ukrainian statehood. Even the “patriots” are not going to defend this state with weapons in hand. Among the Russophiles of such a day and with fire you will not find. Rather, it will be possible to find those who are ready to liquidate this state with arms in their hands.

All of their ambitious illiteracy, the “patriots” cannot but understand that the state, to which 40-60% of the population is hostile, does not last long for two-thirds of the rest. Therefore, they are not in a hurry to drink champagne, despite the “lack of alternative” of the European choice.

They have no way out. They can not organize another, normal Ukraine. Firstly, the time has already passed, and secondly, in such Ukraine there is simply no place for them. They cannot save this Ukraine, since neither potential partners nor their own population need it. They cannot even eliminate the “fifth column”, because it is impossible to exorcise, assimilate or destroy 25-30 millions of people in a short time. And if it were possible, who would endure it for so long, how many “patriots” would remain after the civil carnage, and whose troops would bring order to Ukraine?

All this does not mean that the “patriots” will not turn the cold civil war into a hot one. They have nothing to lose. In addition, they are angry, because for more than 20 years, each tactical victory of theirs brings strategic loss. We can all be very bad. Many may simply not survive. But someone will still survive, but the state of Ukraine is not. It is doomed. And his “patriots” condemned him, for whom the embroidery, Galician surzhik and Taras’s portrait replaced the qualification.
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  1. MG42
    MG42 16 September 2013 06: 36
    18
    Galicians should be released on their way to Europe where they are so eager, many people work there by random earnings, in the TS they definitely don’t want to .. hi
    1. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. 16 September 2013 07: 05
      19
      Joining the WTO Ukraine has not taught anything. I want to try again. And the orientation towards the Galicians in this choice is doubtful - for centuries they have not had a homeland, they are either in Poland, then in Austria, then again in Poland, it is unlikely that the homeland is a value to them.
      1. Aeneas
        Aeneas 16 September 2013 08: 20
        -5
        As for the WTO, how to say, how to say. Ukrainian metallurgy and chemistry collapsed due to the highest gas prices, and falling metal prices due to the crisis. This was offset by the growth of the farm, which received such opportunities due to the opening of the markets of WTO member countries.
        1. Djozz
          Djozz 16 September 2013 09: 20
          +6
          You are needed there, with your bacon and wheat, like a hare tripper!
          1. leon-iv
            leon-iv 16 September 2013 09: 26
            +7
            And yes, I note that the bulbs have more tasty fat.
            1. RBLip
              RBLip 16 September 2013 10: 59
              +2
              I have written about this more than once. set +. and not only fat.
            2. morpex
              morpex 16 September 2013 14: 38
              -1
              Quote: leon-iv
              And yes, I note that the bulbs have more tasty fat.

              Actually, for your information, fat is fat in Africa too. So, a link to Belarus is out of place ...
              1. leon-iv
                leon-iv 16 September 2013 16: 54
                +4
                it is fat in Africa too.

                lolshto? You apparently didn’t eat good fat from properly killed gruendel. According to Feng Shui tarred refreshed.
                Which was grown correctly creating streaks of meat between the fat. And also, you probably don’t know that there are many ways to salting / smoking it and so on.
          2. bistrov.
            bistrov. 16 September 2013 11: 30
            +8
            Ukraine has long lost its fame as a supplier of lard and pork. Currently, even in Ukraine, the population sells imported lard and meat from Europe, America, etc. It is produced using industrial technology and has disgusting taste. The pork produced in Ukraine is becoming less and less, as the rural population steadily declining, the main part of it is made up of elderly pensioners who can no longer afford agricultural work, namely, in the private rural sector the bulk of pork was produced.
            1. leon-iv
              leon-iv 16 September 2013 11: 38
              +7
              But the Russian Federation meanwhile, produces 80% of pork itself and will soon close imports.
              1. morpex
                morpex 16 September 2013 14: 45
                -6
                Quote: leon-iv
                But the Russian Federation meanwhile, produces 80% of pork itself and will soon close imports.

                Do not get it wrong, the question is purely out of interest, how much does pork kebab cost? We have 15 hryvnias, about 45 rubles in Russian.
                1. biglow
                  biglow 16 September 2013 16: 55
                  +7
                  Quote: morpex
                  Quote: leon-iv
                  But the Russian Federation meanwhile, produces 80% of pork itself and will soon close imports.

                  Do not get it wrong, the question is purely out of interest, how much does pork kebab cost? We have 15 hryvnias, about 45 rubles in Russian.

                  15 hryvnia where did you find such prices? If the meat is homemade then from 50 to 100 hryvnia per serving and these are not the most expensive places ....
                  1. MG42
                    MG42 16 September 2013 17: 35
                    +4
                    Quote: biglow
                    15 hryvnias where did you find such prices? If the meat is homemade then from 50 to 100 hryvnias per serving and these are not the most expensive places

                    In Crimea, 25 UAH per 100 gram of pork kebab in ordinary inexpensive eateries, 15 UAH there are no such prices for a long time .. Naturally 100 grams once to bite .. apparently the Marine dined in a distant farm, time for 15 UAH ..
                    1. morpex
                      morpex 16 September 2013 18: 26
                      -2
                      Quote: MG42
                      In Crimea, 25 UAH per 100 gram of pork kebab in ordinary inexpensive eateries, 15 UAH there are no such prices for a long time .. Naturally 100 grams once to bite .. apparently the Marine dined in a distant farm, time for 15 UAH ..

                      I don’t know where in the Crimea you ate, but in Feodosia this year it was 15 UAH., On the beach 20. And by the way, I didn’t talk about portions, I mean 100 gr. They didn’t answer my assessment question. As for the dying pig industry, it’s not true.
                      PySy. And what has already reached the point here on the website that they are being minus for a simple question? Or is it already in your blood - if the interlocutor from Ukraine means the enemy? Atu him?
                      1. MG42
                        MG42 16 September 2013 18: 40
                        +4
                        Quote: morpex
                        I don’t know in what place of Crimea you Kushalino in Feodosia this year was 15 UAH., 20t on the beach

                        Marine, not far from Sudak 25 UAH to the South Coast and do not go to the grandmother 2 weeks ago, 25 also passed in Sudak, Feodosia is relatively close there, so ..
                        The restaurant is even more expensive naturally
                        Quote: morpex
                        I meant 100 gr

                        So I wrote about 100 grams, even at the market in the ranks of merchants, too, 25 UAH, maybe it was not pork for 15? wassat 100 grams = you will not be full ..
                2. leon-iv
                  leon-iv 16 September 2013 17: 36
                  +5
                  Was on the market Mr. Vasilkov price of pork 70-80 hryvnia per neck. That is 280-320 r. As in my native Ivanovo.
                3. leon-iv
                  leon-iv 16 September 2013 17: 38
                  +3
                  Do not get it wrong, the question is purely out of interest, how much does pork kebab cost?

                  And xs to be honest. I’ve never eaten a barbecue of a purchase and do not plan to eat. I disdain.
                  1. morpex
                    morpex 16 September 2013 21: 17
                    -1
                    Quote: leon-iv
                    And xs to be honest. I’ve never eaten a barbecue of a purchase and do not plan to eat. I disdain.

                    I don’t. I don’t disdain. After the Soviet student canteens and Soviet catering, I developed a certain immunity to disgust.
                4. slacker
                  slacker 16 September 2013 19: 09
                  +2
                  Morpeks, don’t give a damn!
                  Poltava region. Sorochinskaya Fair - 2013. A portion of pork skewers cost at least 70 hryvnias, that is, 280 rubles in Russian rubles.
                  1. morpex
                    morpex 16 September 2013 21: 12
                    +3
                    Quote: Loafer
                    Morpeks, don’t give a damn!

                    Dear "bum" First of all, I did not offend you. Secondly, I told the truth. I am not a lawyer of today's life in Ukraine and there is no point in lying. It just hurts that here on the site any attempt to explain reality only causes negative from the outside. Thanks even to Bandera or fat eater not called. This has already happened more than once. I believe you about the price. Only in our outback it is completely different. 30-50 UAH. And note this from dealers. First-hand and even less. And to believe or not is your right.
                    1. slacker
                      slacker 16 September 2013 21: 36
                      +4
                      Dear Morpex! Firstly, I did not insult you. Secondly, I told the truth.
                      I have not distorted your name. m (m) + o (o) + r (p) + p (n) + e (e) + x (kc) = morpex.
                      The call "Do not lie" in the move familiar to us sounds like "do not break", but in the Poltava surzhik it sounds like "do not break". So it’s even surprising that you take these words as an insult.
                      I, just like you, are just offended by the fact that here on the site any attempt to explain reality causes only negative from the outside. Thank you for not calling MOSC.a.s. Here this happens to many often and more than once. I believe you about the price. Only in our remote places is it exactly like I wrote you. And notice it first hand. And the resellers and even more. And it is your right to believe or not.
                      1. morpex
                        morpex 16 September 2013 22: 59
                        +1
                        Quote: Loafer
                        The call "Do not lie" in the move familiar to us sounds like "Do not break",

                        We say - "do not deceive" or "do not" tell not the truth "and the term" do not gaps "is used when they want to express disrespect to the interlocutor ...
                      2. slacker
                        slacker 18 September 2013 10: 18
                        0
                        We say - "do not deceive"


                        This is a Galician error (see article title) lol
              2. vignat21
                vignat21 16 September 2013 22: 40
                +3
                Lope, lope ??????? 100 gr and not 45 but 60 rubles. I in Russia near Moscow on Kubinka bought 2 kg for 500 rubles, which corresponds to 125 UAH. or 62,5 UAH per kilo. In Ukraine, 1 kg costs 60 - 70 UAH. per kilo.
                So sho gn bring people to Oman.
                ,
                1. chex2418
                  chex2418 21 September 2013 02: 28
                  0
                  FUNNY YOU, MEN !!! Well, just like children !!! ... Two fools converge in the bazaar: one sells, the other buys ...:))) ... and on the same street you are the same pork, but at different points, buy 50 and at 80-100 ... some kind of argument is golem ... just like women .. don’t exchange information, but just communicate .. lol :)))) And as for the bacon so generally - GOOD FELLOWS !!! Than feed, then eat .... and the Belarusian pig or Ukrainian-drum hi
        2. domokl
          domokl 16 September 2013 18: 44
          0
          Quote: Djozz
          You are needed there, with your bacon and wheat, like a hare tripper!

          Honestly, I don’t need them anymore. I’m tired of shouting the same and also. I’ll drink with pleasure at the grave of independent and fraternal Ukraine. I don’t think it is more possible and necessary to make any concessions and benefits for this country.
          Now let the European sneakers eat ...
      2. alex13-61
        alex13-61 16 September 2013 10: 47
        +4
        Quote: Aeneas
        This was offset by the growth of the farm,

        Well, a couple of years there were good grain crops, but the sown area did not increase ... Fruits and grapes this year everywhere have been mutilated - there is nowhere to go.
        Due to what growth ??? Is there a growth of agricultural producers ??? Agricultural firms appeared ???
      3. Nicholas C.
        Nicholas C. 16 September 2013 11: 01
        +8
        Quote: Aeneas
        This was offset by the growth of the farm, which received such opportunities due to the opening of the markets of WTO member countries.

        What was offset? Your balance of foreign trade operations is growing at a minus pace, 2010 - 35.6 billion years, 2011-71 billion years, 2012 - 118 billion years. index.minfin.com.ua/index/gdp/eximp.php
        This is the result of joining the WTO. This means that the country now lives in debt, at the expense of future generations. If they will be: both the country and generations. And the gross external debt of Ukraine at the beginning of the year - 135 billion. $ Index.minfin.com.ua/index/debt/ gold reserves of Ukraine on 01.08.13/22.7/XNUMX - only XNUMX billion. $

        So nothing was compensated. Now, obviously, the incompetent leadership of Ukraine does not know how to balance foreign trade and the state budget. Only adventures with unpredictable consequences such as joining the Association with the EU or shale gas production at the expense of the territories, nature and health of people in eastern Ukraine are offered.
      4. bistrov.
        bistrov. 16 September 2013 11: 19
        12
        Quote: Aeneas
        Ukrainian metallurgy and chemistry collapsed due to the highest gas prices, and falling metal prices due to the crisis

        They collapsed primarily because of old technologies and the unwillingness of private business owners to fork out for technical re-equipment. In the west, gas prices are even higher, and salaries cannot be equaled with Ukrainian ones, and for some reason enterprises are working there successfully. This is about those, as you say in this article, who are looking for a reason for the decline in production of Ukrainian enterprises in Russian gas and the refusal of Russian consumers from Ukrainian metal. You cannot understand in any way that having separated from Russia you cannot count on any privileges on its part and must buy the products you need at world prices. However, you don't have to buy Russian gas after 2019; you can buy it on the London Fuel Exchange. Russia also reserves the right to refuse Ukrainian products: metal, pipes, confectionery, etc. Only for some reason in Ukraine they immediately raise a howl about some kind of "trade wars", "coercion to join the CU", etc. .d. The article strikes people like you not "in the eyebrow, but in the eye", your inconsistency in building the state, you seek to justify the intrigues of neighboring states that are supposedly hostile to you.
      5. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 16 September 2013 19: 28
        +3
        Quote: Aeneas
        This was offset by the growth of the farm, which received such opportunities due to the opening of the markets of WTO member countries.

        This is when you were allowed to sell sugar to Europe, but you were obliged to buy twice as much sugar from Europe? Ukrainian agricultural went to the CIS, and now the nuts of the TS-nickname are tightened for Ukrainian imports. Kazakhstan has already begun to understand the issue of low-quality chicken from Ukraine, which is full of water and costs half the price of a Kazakh chicken.
        Even before the creation of the CU, Kazakhs had already set a limit on sugar and sweet products to Ukraine, proving the dumping scheme of Ukrainian producers. By the way, from year to year, Ukrainian candy products are bought less and less, although it is cheaper than Kazakh products. There is only one reason - Ukrainian sweets (and even the majority of Russian sweets) are made of some sweet shit. Kazakhs are accustomed to high-quality chocolate made from cocoa. Kazakh chocolate can be bought with eyes closed, knowing that it is made from normal raw materials using mature technology.
        In short, in the KZ Ukrainian food is a synonym for a low-quality product. If the Kazakhs turn their nose away from Ukrainian products, then I understand that the French and Germans are also not eager to buy made in Ukraine products. Unless the grain is interesting to Europeans. However, Ukraine will benefit much more if your grain growers unite with the Russians and Kazakhs in the Grain Union. When we are not competitors, but in one cartel, we will be able to dictate our grain conditions to the European Union. Now for the benefit of them, we are lowering prices in order to push our wheat into the European market.
    2. seller trucks
      16 September 2013 09: 25
      +3
      Quote: Nikolai S.
      Joining the WTO Ukraine has not taught anything.


      Well, why, it’s not taught, don’t you remember the scandal with the revision of duties on some groups of goods

      http://korrespondent.net/business/economics/1522037-skandal-s-vto-ssha-sravnili-

      ukrainu-s-alpinistom-kotoryj-otvyazyvaetsya-ot-gruppy-pri-voshozhdenii-na


      but it seems that it has become a tradition for the Ukrainians to step on the same rake
  • serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 16 September 2013 06: 41
    +6
    I remembered the words like an old (since the 1st MV) soldier's song: "The Russian brigades took the Galician fields, and I got two soldiers' crutches as a reward ..."
    There will be no civil war. The public opinion of Ukraine is almost ready to accept its entry into the EU. A positive image is formed and actively assimilated by social groups. When the expectations are not met - it will be too late.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 16 September 2013 07: 50
      +4
      Quote: serge-68-68
      The public opinion of Ukraine is almost ready to accept its entry into the EU.

      How to say! Look at the results of the virtual vote. By the way, you can't vote twice there, but at least one person from the family = 1 vote. And if I have a lot of adults, and the computer. one? And all the "FOR"? So what will happen in the referendum?
      In short! Who do we have here from Ukraine? Go to referendum2013.in.ua and vote !!! While the score is "FOR" in our favor
      1. Tartary
        Tartary 16 September 2013 08: 08
        +6
        Quote: Egoza
        In short! Who do we have here from Ukraine? Go to referendum2013.in.ua and vote !!! While the score is "FOR" in our favor

        I am from Khabarovsk, my wife with Ukrainian roots, with relatives from Zhmerinka ...
        Following the link, voted as it should (!) ... I have a moral right.
        The second time the program replied that I had already voted.

        Russians, help our brothers with our voices !!
        1. Prometheus
          Prometheus 16 September 2013 11: 32
          +1
          Go back to the site, and you can vote at least how much.
          1. Tartary
            Tartary 17 September 2013 06: 12
            0
            Quote: Prometheus
            Go back to the site, and you can vote at least how much.

            They closed the site, they say because of some kind of attack ... They sort it out with winded voices ... They ask forgiveness for the inconvenience.

            I understand ............, but I will not forgive.
        2. Egoza
          Egoza 16 September 2013 14: 21
          +1
          Quote: Tartary
          Following the link, voted as it should (!) ...

          Thank you!
          1. biglow
            biglow 16 September 2013 16: 59
            0
            Quote: Egoza
            Quote: Tartary
            Following the link, voted as it should (!) ...

            Thank you!

            hacker attack on the voting site, failed to vote .......
      2. alex13-61
        alex13-61 16 September 2013 10: 52
        +1
        [quote = Fidget] Go to referendum2013.in.ua and vote !!! [/ quo
        Thanks for the tip.
      3. AlNikolaich
        AlNikolaich 16 September 2013 10: 57
        +3
        Quote: Egoza
        In short! Who do we have here from Ukraine? Go to referendum2013.in.ua and vote !!! While the score is "FOR" in our favor

        He did not vote. It seems like I have no moral right. But dropped the link to a friend. He was born in the Poltava region, in Mashevka. He voted. How to! good
      4. Yariath
        Yariath 16 September 2013 12: 01
        +2
        Using Ukrainian citizenship, voted, thanks for the link. good
      5. VadimSt
        VadimSt 16 September 2013 14: 36
        +1
        The udder does not sleep! When you try to vote, a message pops up:

        At the moment, the counter is stopped due to a hacker attack on the referendum2013.in.ua website. The voting data will be corrected, and the "cheated" votes will be deleted. We apologize for the inconvenience.

        If the authorities were interested in the real situation, this fact would definitely become the subject of the proceedings of the corresponding department of the Security Service of Ukraine, but did not!
      6. Cristall
        Cristall 16 September 2013 17: 37
        +2
        I went in, there is a hacker attack-written. I don’t know if my voice was taken into account.
        But be sure to agitate all of my own.
        article has a strange name
        "Galician" is this true?
  • Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 16 September 2013 06: 52
    10
    Ukraine in the EU is destined for the fate of a "servant", but not a pan and not even a partner. And to argue with this, at least not reasonable ... All this is sad. hi
    1. Pit
      Pit 16 September 2013 07: 19
      0
      If they do not reorganize at all, later
      The European Union decided to hedge and strengthen leverage over Ukraine after the signing of the Association Agreement. In particular, in addition to the clauses regarding the free trade area, some political sections may be included in the list of clauses of the so-called temporary application of the Agreement.
      http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/1246173/
    2. Mature naturalist
      Mature naturalist 16 September 2013 23: 22
      +1
      Yes, I'm afraid I have to compete with Polish plumbers ...
  • My address
    My address 16 September 2013 06: 52
    +8
    Why the article can not put more than one plus?
    Sad for the Ukrainians. Westerners do not consider the Ukrainians. Often was in Ukraine in the center, in the east. Many good acquaintances. Normal was the attitude towards us. Well, like Omsk to Perm or Chelyabinsk. Ukrainians lived well, much better than in Russia (excluding Moscow and St. Petersburg). And now? Belarusians are much better, who have only forest, marshes and sand from minerals!
    1. Paul 23rus
      Paul 23rus 16 September 2013 08: 14
      +5
      Nothing, soon we will be together again
      1. My address
        My address 16 September 2013 09: 27
        +4
        God forbid, Pavel!
        1. Ulysses
          Ulysses 16 September 2013 12: 31
          +4
          "Trust in God, but don't do it yourself."
          Ukraine should make such proposals that it cannot refuse.
          And actively promote them in the Ukrainian media.
  • Rosomaha67
    Rosomaha67 16 September 2013 07: 10
    -1
    ..... article +. An intelligently conducted analysis and everything is clearly and simply stated.
    And the most important conclusion is to stop advising Ukraine and try to dissuade it, is it good there, believe me, in any case we - Russians will be to blame, the less we break spears now, the less we will be able to make claims later - "why are you we were persuaded "," well, why didn't you persuade us "!
    .... I understand all the arguments of active supporters of Ukraine’s entry into the CU, but please do not forget that even if RU suddenly changes its mind and enters the CU, they will still have to raise their own economy, you won’t do it for them, and at your expense do not agree, right ....... and I strongly doubt that Ukraine is now ready to actively rebuild its economy and industry. Yes, industries traditionally associated with Russia will actively earn money, but otherwise everything will remain as it is now, and the benefits will be required in full, do not forget about that .....
    ... and so Ukraine will enter the FTZ with the EU, ours will introduce trade rules with it as with the EU countries, and the EU will dictate to it industrial and trade policies. As a result of years through 5-6, the industry of Ukraine will decline, and then the citizens of the Republic of Uzbekistan will achieve their dream of living fully through EU loans (though if the EU then has money for loans)
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 16 September 2013 07: 57
      +5
      Quote: Rosomaha67
      even if the RU suddenly changes its mind and enters the CU, they will still have to raise their own economy,

      So it's not just about the economy !!!! If you enter now, i.e. to sign an association with the EU, all sorts of "research laboratories" from the USA will be sent here, foreign companies are ALREADY climbing into our bowels, the leader of the Communist Party of Ukraine openly declares that after this signing, about 10 thousand Ukrainian enterprises will be closed !!!
      This is the complete destruction of the country and people!
      1. Aeneas
        Aeneas 16 September 2013 08: 16
        0
        do not hear the "Leader of the Communist Party of Ukraine" before dinner. The person has a banal business. The communists are in the pro-power majority, and they vote in sync with the regionals.
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 16 September 2013 08: 32
          +2
          Quote: Aeneas
          Communists are in the pro-power majority, and vote in sync with the regionals.

          Not true! When the decisions of the regionals did not go against the program of the Communist Party of Ukraine with which it went to the polls, the Communists voted FOR, But when the Party of Regions went wild, the Communist Party of Ukraine votes against. And often does not allow to make the "desired" decisions!
        2. bistrov.
          bistrov. 16 September 2013 11: 43
          +3
          Quote: Aeneas
          do not hear the "Leader of the Communist Party of Ukraine"

          The only real-minded party in Ukraine is the CPU. They are the ones who defend the common people. They also initiated a referendum on joining the Customs Union. The authorities and the courts subordinate to them by their decision banned the meeting of the initiative group on the organization of the referendum, but contrary to them this meeting was held. Now the documents on this are in the Central Election Commission of Ukraine, on which the decision on holding a referendum now depends.
  • Lk17619
    Lk17619 16 September 2013 07: 18
    +7
    Nationalists, "patriots", the dominance of Russians in Ukraine ...... So I wonder if Russia is so bad for poor Ukraine, why are these nationalists, "patriots" bursting to work in Russia ??? They would live and work at home and no "fifth column" could do anything to them.
    1. Aeneas
      Aeneas 16 September 2013 08: 22
      +7
      but money does not smell, and it is not written on the dolyars, they are "made" in Russia.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 16 September 2013 08: 35
        +2
        Quote: Aeneas
        but money does not smell, and it is not written on the dolyars, they are "made" in Russia.

        Well, if "dollyars" do not smell to you, why then did the memory, together with the regions, push Shell to the East? We would build at home ...
        In the presence of Ukrainian Prime Minister Mykola Azarov, the Ukrainian government and Royal Dutch Shell signed an operating agreement on September 12 on an agreement on the distribution of hydrocarbons to be produced within the Yuzovskaya area (Donetsk and Kharkov regions of Ukraine). A REGNUM correspondent in Kiev was informed about this by the press service of the Ukrainian government.

        "This is directly the agreement that provides full permission for investment and work on the Yuzovskaya area. From today, in fact and legally, work begins for Royal Dutch Shell in Ukraine," said, in turn, Minister of Energy and Coal Industry Eduard Stavitsky. He stressed that in accordance with the signed production sharing agreement at the first stage, Royal Dutch Shell will invest about $ 500 million in geological exploration, and in general, the company's investments in industrial development and construction of communications in the Yuzovskaya area are estimated at $ 10 billion. ... Stavitsky noted that in accordance with the agreement, depending on production volumes, from 30% to 60% of gas will be owned by the state, and between the investors - Royal Dutch Shell and Nedra Yuzovskaya, the shares are divided in a 50-50 format.

        The Minister said that within the Yuzovskaya Square both traditional natural gas, shale gas, and gas from dense sandstones will be produced.
        http://oko-planet.su/politik/newsday/210048-kompaniya-shell-okonchatelno-poluchi
        la-v-svoe-rasporyazhenie-vostok-ukrainy-za-10-mlrd.html
        1. Aeneas
          Aeneas 16 September 2013 08: 59
          -2
          and these are the byaki-beeches, the nationalists, pagany! They beat gay activists and expose the cheating oligarchy, and they are not liked in Europe. In general, if in their views, ideology, national affiliation change the name "Ukrainian" to "Russian", then the assessments of these nationalists, who have become patriots, will only be positive.
          1. Galina
            Galina 16 September 2013 10: 28
            +6
            I did not notice that the nationalists of the gay activists were beating. Give a link if you've seen this. I did not notice a single reaction from them to the actions of the "Femen" to cut down the cross. During the parade in Kiev "Svoboda" marched with its flags in parallel, without hurting any of the gay activists. And they somehow do not touch the Jewish oligarchy at all now, they do not care - as Y. Lutsenko said at the forum of Ukrainians: "Better a gay parade on Khreshchatyk than Russian tanks." This is their concern now.
          2. bistrov.
            bistrov. 16 September 2013 11: 56
            +3
            Quote: Aeneas
            and here are these byaki-beeches the nationalists are pagan!

            According to the work plan for the exploration of shale gas in Ukraine, it should be carried out in two places, in the Kharkov and Lviv regions. In the Lviv region nationalists organized protests and councils, which there subordinate to them did not give permission to carry out these works. In Kharkov, the authorities, despite protests by the people, are beginning preparatory work for the exploration and pilot production of shale gas, the production of which is fraught with possible environmental disasters, in particular the disappearance or contamination of groundwater, landslides and earthquakes. For reference: in the West, in particular in France, Germany and even Poland, a decision was made to prohibit shale gas production.
  • Sunjar
    Sunjar 16 September 2013 07: 37
    +1
    It is very sad when the fraternal people, with whom from time immemorial they fought with the Western "civilizers", jointly defeated the Khazar Kaganate, and they achieved so many scientific and cultural heights, they turn away from all this and accept what they have been fighting against all these centuries ...
    1. dark_65
      dark_65 16 September 2013 08: 18
      +1
      Ukraine anti-occupant is the name of a group of classmates, accidentally stumbled upon, such an abomination dug in there.
      And if the people allow this, what kind of brotherly people are they?
    2. IRBIS
      IRBIS 16 September 2013 09: 26
      +5
      Quote: Sunjar
      It is very sad when the fraternal people, with whom from time immemorial they fought against Western "civilizers", with joint forces defeated the Khazar Kaganate,

      About "from time immemorial" you got excited. Do not confuse Kievan Rus with Ukraine. Only in 1940, one third was "attached". Galicia and the Carpathians have never been Russian.
      And why are we so diligently and persistently trying to ensure that we are recognized at least by some kind of "relatives"? In Ukraine itself, more than half of the population wants to live in a sovereign country, and not in "fraternal" embraces. So let them live. It is necessary to stop this hysteria and patriotic snot about unity should not be smeared. Itself is not disgusting to shout slogans that no one is interested in?
  • papik09
    papik09 16 September 2013 07: 39
    +3
    Rostislav, you are right, article +. There is another explanation for the aspiration to join the European Union - the fear that many oligarchs, when Ukraine joins the CU, will simply lose their capital acquired through overwork. hi
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  • Warrawar
    Warrawar 16 September 2013 07: 48
    0
    Ukraine is finally lost - this is a fact. There are many reasons for this. The prospect of a resumption of relations is most likely a matter of future centuries.
  • Aeneas
    Aeneas 16 September 2013 08: 29
    -9
    The author appeals to the "Russian-speaking majority" of Ukraine. And yet, yes, almost everyone in Ukraine knows the Russian language, because it is a "heavy legacy" of the system of general education of the USSR, and now Russian is taught in thousands of schools, and it dominates in the media and to a large extent "in life." But what a didka the author imagined that all Russian-speaking Ukrainians, Russians, Belarusians and other peoples dream of "ending" with Nenka, shob to gorge on cowbass, I do not know !?
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 16 September 2013 08: 46
      +9
      Quote: Aeneas
      and now Russian is taught in thousands of schools,

      AND WHERE? Sly, mister bad!
      "The number of children brought up in preschool educational institutions in Russian has decreased to 13,5% of the total. The number of Russian-language schools - to 5,92% of the total number of schools, and students studying in Russian - to 10,23 % The share of the Russian language on the air of the nationwide TV channels does not exceed 5-8%. In 7 regions of Western Ukraine there is not a single school in Russian. In Kiev - “mothers of Russian cities” - only 7 Russian-language schools from 441 remained, which is 0,016%. In 5 regions of Central Ukraine, one school each. In fact, half the country, along with the capital, has already been cleared of Russian education. According to UNESCO research, when teaching students in a non-native language, their intellectual and mental development slows down in 15-30%, and in children with pre-school education in a non-native language, their development slows down in 20-60%. So the process of debilitating our children is in full swing. http://www.vremia.ua/rubrics/problemy/4471.php
      1. Aeneas
        Aeneas 16 September 2013 09: 05
        0
        Quote: Egoza
        Quote: Aeneas
        and now Russian is taught in thousands of schools,
        AND WHERE? Sly, mister bad!
        "The number of children brought up in preschool educational institutions in Russian has decreased to 13,5% of the total number. The number of Russian-language schools - up to 5,92% of the total number of schools, and students studying in Russian - to 10,23 %. The share of the Russian language on the air of national broadcasting TV channels does not exceed 5-8%. In 7 regions of Western Ukraine there is not a single school in Russian. In Kiev - “the mother of Russian cities” - there are only 7 Russian-language schools out of 441, which is 0,016 %. In 5 regions of Central Ukraine, one school. In fact, half of the country, together with the capital, has already been cleared of Russian education. According to UNESCO studies, when schoolchildren are taught in a foreign language, their intellectual and mental development slows down by 15-30%, and in children with preschool education in a non-native language, development slows down by 20-60%. So the process of moronization of our children is in full swing. http://www.vremia.ua/rubrics/problemy/4471.php
        Tuuu, why did I make you such a pagan? However, we hear the Minister of Education of Ukraine, Mr. Tabachnyk, a famous Russophile, and a light Ukrainophobe:
        Minister of Education and Science, Youth and Sports Dmitry Tabachnik estimates the number of schools teaching in Russian at 1,7 thousand. He said this on the air of the program "Big Politics with Yevgeny Kiselev" on the Inter TV channel on June 10.

        "Today in Ukraine there are almost 1 schools where teaching is in Russian," the minister said.

        Well and further, you probably do not watch a telly. And rightly so, it’s better to communicate live with people and read books in different languages.
        1. alex13-61
          alex13-61 16 September 2013 11: 09
          +2
          Quote: Aeneas
          Today in Ukraine there are almost 1 schools where teaching is in Russian, "the minister said.

          And most of them are located in the Russian-speaking Crimea, where there are very few who wish to study in Ukrainian ...
      2. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 16 September 2013 19: 49
        +1
        Quote: Egoza
        According to UNESCO research, when teaching schoolchildren in a non-native language, their intellectual and mental development slows down by 15-30%, and in children with pre-school education in a non-native language, development slows down by 20-60%. So the process of debilitating our children is in full swing.

        Hmm ... Why then, in the Soviet era, since the 50s, Kazakh schools were massively closed in Kazakhstan and instead of them schools were opened with instruction exclusively in Russian? For some reason, then the Russians were not worried about the findings of UNESCO and the "moronization" of Kazakh schoolchildren. In the one and a half million Alma-Ata there was only one Kazakh school, and even then it was regularly closed or "kicked" from building to building.
        In scrap, raise the scrach on the topic of education, just if in Ukraine they teach in the Ukrainian language, then this is not a reason to criticize the educational system in this country, because then any non-Russian student in the Soviet school can recall how the Turks, Finno-Ugric, Caucasians, Tajiks and others were forcibly Russified. Be careful with such comments, please.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 16 September 2013 20: 00
          -3
          Quote: Marek Rozny
          And then, in Soviet times, in Kazakhstan, Kazakh schools were massively closed in Kazakhstan and instead of them schools were opened with instruction exclusively in Russian?

          Your claims are unfounded, the Kazakh language is more alive than all living things.
          Quote: Marek Rozny
          For some reason, then the Russians were not worried about the findings of UNESCO and the "moronization" of Kazakh schoolchildren.

          Because scientific terms, standardization, everything is in Russian, because the Russian language is richer and richer, from simple to complex - this is development, from complex to simple - degradation.
          1. Marek Rozny
            Marek Rozny 16 September 2013 20: 36
            +3
            Quote: Setrac
            Your claims are unfounded, the Kazakh language is more alive than all living things.

            In the period of the 50-80s, the Kazakh language in the Kazakh SSR was officially pushed to the sidelines of the republic's public, cultural, political, administrative life. The scope of its functioning was actually limited by the domestic sphere in small villages. The language, which was considered by ethnographers one of the richest in picturesque oriental languages, has practically turned into a dead language. By exclusively prescriptive methods after they reduced the number of schools with the Kazakh language of instruction (at the same time, the university education in the republic was exclusively in Russian, except for one ZHPI, in which teachers were trained for aul schools) and completely replaced Kazakh students from the administrative and scientific fields (although even under Stalin, official bilingualism in state bodies remained in the republic).
            In 1991, most of the Kazakhs did not know their absolutely native language. Only 20 years after the collapse of the USSR, we can say that the Kazakh language began to develop again, and the number of Kazakhs who know the Kazakh language has become more than those who do not. The fact that the Kazakh language is alive is the merit of the Kazakhs after 1991, and not thanks to the Soviet system of total Russification within the framework of a "single Soviet community" based on the Russian language and Russian culture.
            Anyone who raised the issue of the status of the Kazakh language was automatically branded in the official newspapers as a "nationalist" even during the years of perestroika. Even the Russian-speaking poet Olzhas Suleimenov, who discovered a layer of Turkism in The Lay of Igor's Host, was accused of Kazakh nationalism, and his book AZiYa was banned.
            So the claims are not unfounded. A couple of decades of Soviet power and the Kazakh language would have left memories, as has already happened with many languages ​​of non-Russian peoples in Russia. Mordovians, Chuvashs and others have already practically lost their native language and usually speak exclusively Russian only.
            Quote: Setrac
            Because scientific terms, standardization, everything is in Russian, because the Russian language is richer and richer, from simple to complex - this is development, from complex to simple - degradation.

            Scientific terms are mostly Latin, Greek, or Germanic. Do not flatter yourself. Moreover, in the Kazakh language all these terms with the same Latin or English root are present.
            And as for the richness of the language, I do not at all detract from the beauty and imagery of Russian speech, but I did not consider and do not believe that the Russian language is richer or richer than the Kazakh language. Take Abay and try to translate into Russian yourself. And then you are unlikely to claim that the Kazakh language is inferior in something to the Russian language.

            ZY Well, or if you speak English, which many consider supposedly primitive, then at least translate the prose stories of John Lennon into "great and mighty." My first education was in Yazov, and even for me it is very difficult to transfer these little masterpieces into Russian or Kazakh. They are easier to read in English; they cannot be translated into Russian. Although if you evaluate English only by Hollywood films, rapper songs or the vocabulary of the Turkish staff at the hotel, then, of course, one might think that English is poor, boring and tasteless. Although, at the same time, there are much more words of English and American origin in Russian than there are Russian words in English.
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 16 September 2013 20: 42
              0
              Quote: Marek Rozny
              A language that was considered by ethnographers one of the richest picturesque oriental languages ​​in the Soviet era

              And then there are the "rich" languages ​​of Polynesia and Micronesia.
              1. Marek Rozny
                Marek Rozny 16 September 2013 21: 26
                +2
                Do you speak these languages?
                1. Marek Rozny
                  Marek Rozny 16 September 2013 21: 43
                  +2
                  By the way, since, as I understand it, the main purpose of your message was an attempt to ridicule the vocabulary of the Kazakh language, which you think is poor as the languages ​​of some Papuans, I inform you.

                  1) In 1969, the Institute of Linguistics of the USSR Academy of Sciences issued the Ancient Turkic Dictionary. Its corpus includes over 20 words and phrases, taken only from texts of the ancient Turkic so-called “runic” monuments of the XNUMXth – XNUMXth centuries. For example, the language of Shakespeare is 15000 words. Dictionary of words used by Pushkin - 21 thousand words. Kazakh writer Mukhtar Auezov used 17 thousand different Kazakh words in only one novel "Abai Zholy" ("Abai's Way").

                  2) The Kazakh language card index of the Academy of Sciences of the Republic of Kazakhstan totals 2 million 550 thousand words. For example, in 2017, the full English dictionary (Oxford Dictionary) will be released, there will be about 1 million words. The dictionary of the German language is 200 thousand words and 300 thousand meanings.
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac 16 September 2013 22: 23
                    0
                    Quote: Marek Rozny
                    By the way, since, as I understand it, the main purpose of your message was an attempt to ridicule the vocabulary of the Kazakh language, which you think is poor as the languages ​​of some Papuans, I inform you.

                    My main goal is to respond to attacks on my country, I do not consider the Kazakh language poor, but your harsh words provoked a corresponding reaction on my part.
                    Quote: Marek Rozny
                    The Kazakh language card index of the Academy of Sciences of the Republic of Kazakhstan totals 2 million 550 thousand words. For example, in 2017, the full English dictionary (Oxford Dictionary) will be released, there will be about 1 million words. The dictionary of the German language is 200 thousand words and 300 thousand meanings.

                    Dictionaries were written by people, someone writes one word, and someone writes one word in 8 cases and 20 conjugations. In addition, we know how they come up with words in (for example) Germanic languages, a meaningless set of letters.
                    1. Marek Rozny
                      Marek Rozny 16 September 2013 23: 41
                      +2
                      Quote: Setrac
                      My main goal is to respond to attacks on my country,

                      ??????? What attacks ??? I have never mentioned Russia in a negative light on this page, nor have I written anything about the Russian people. Insert my quote, where I made "attacks on Russia". Or did you decide that mentioning the fact of the mass closure of Kazakh schools in the Kazakh SSR or mentioning the fact that the Mordovians no longer speak their native language are attacks on Russia?
                      Quote: Setrac
                      Dictionaries were written by people, someone writes one word, and someone writes one word in 8 cases and 20 conjugations.

                      The dictionaries do not indicate the word in cases and conjugations. Even if the forms of this word are given, then it is in no way considered "two words". Don't compose.
                      Quote: Setrac
                      In addition, we know how they come up with words in (for example) Germanic languages, a meaningless set of letters.
                      I speak German fluently. I did not know that I was saying a meaningless set of letters. I wonder how people manage to understand the meaningless set of letters of Schiller, Goethe, Remarque?
                      ZY In German, new words appear in general in the same way as in other languages, including Russian. The only thing that can be noted is that the Germans sooo often make long words with several roots - Bettuch (bed + shawl = bedspread), Sohnestrahlenenergie (energy of the sun's rays). However, "oil and gas pipeline", "hydroelectric power station" and "Rospotrebsoyuz" also differ in the number of roots. But you don't call these words "meaningless set of letters"?
                      Personally, I am fluent in Slavic, Turkic, Germanic languages, I do not know a single meaningless word. And can you name at least one such word that is present in dictionaries?
            2. Mature naturalist
              Mature naturalist 16 September 2013 23: 51
              -1
              Quote: Marek Rozny
              Although at the same time, the words of English and American origin in Russian are much more than Russian words in English.

              It’s you Zadorny, you see, you didn’t listen. He well and convincingly explains that English is Fenya. By the way, Hebrew is also Fenya. Across Dahl - an offer.
              1. Marek Rozny
                Marek Rozny 16 September 2013 23: 59
                +1
                I listened to Zadornov exactly until the moment when he began to make a fuss of linguistic nonsense and gag. Using the crazy tools of Zadornovschina, anyone can prove that the Chinese language came from Spanish. It would be a desire.
  • ded_73
    ded_73 16 September 2013 08: 58
    +4
    So in a hurry that even in the title a grammatical error ...
    1. zmey_gadukin
      zmey_gadukin 16 September 2013 12: 20
      0
      Yes, I noticed too. But this is more likely not a mistake, but a special "formulation".
      It is a pity that the author, emotions dominate common sense.
  • leon-iv
    leon-iv 16 September 2013 09: 00
    +1
    I probably quote pelevin
    There is such a science - “linguistic archeology”, I was a little interested in it when I studied orc proverbs and sayings. As a result, I still remember a lot of all sorts of interesting facts.

    Before the collapse of America and China, no Upper Middle Siberian language generally existed in nature. It was invented in the intelligence of the drug state of Aztlan - when it became clear that the Chinese eco-kingdoms fighting each other behind the Great Wall would not intervene if the Aztlans decided to bite a bite on the Siberian Republic. Aztlan went the traditional way - he decided to break Siberia into several Bantustans, forcing everyone to speak his own dialect.

    These were the times of general decline and degradation, so the Upper Middle Siberian was invented by stoned hack migrants from the Black Sea, whose wages, as was customary in Aztlan, were given out with substances. They professed the cult of the Second Mashiach and in memory of it composed the Upper Middle Siberian on the basis of Ukrainian with Yiddishism, but for some reason (possibly under the influence of substances) they fastened a very complex grammar to it, a wandering solid sign and seven past tenses. And when they came up with a phonetic system, they added “ukane” - apparently, nothing else came to mind.

    And so they have already indicated three hundred years, if not all five hundred. For a long time there is no Aztlan, no Siberian republic - but the language remains. They speak Upper Russian in everyday life, and the state language of all office work is Upper Middle Siberian. This is strictly monitored by their own Department of Cultural Expansion, and we are also looking. But you really don’t have to follow, because the whole Orc bureaucracy from this language feeds and gnaws at it for it.

    The Orc bureaucrat first teaches this language for ten years, but then he is the ruler of the world. Any paper must first be transferred to the Upper Middle Siberian, then parried, obtained the Upper Middle Siberian resolution from the leadership - and only then transferred back to the petitioners. And if there is even one mistake in the paper, it can be declared invalid. All the orcish leadership and translation tables — and there are more of them than pigsties — live and grow fat from this.

    Upper-Middle Siberian almost did not penetrate into colloquial speech. The only exception is the name of their country. They call it Urkainsky Urkaganate, or Urkaina, and they call it Urki (it seems that they hastily remade it from "ukrov", although there are other philological hypotheses). In everyday speech, the word "urk" is unpopular - it refers to a high pathos style and is considered an old-fashioned treasury. But it was from him that the Church English “Orkland” and “orks” originated.

    The lessons, especially the urban ones, which absorb our culture with every cell and are guided by us in everything, have been calling themselves orcs in the Church English manner for many centuries, as if exaggeratingly "okay." For them, this is a way to protest against authoritarian despotism and emphasize their civilizational choice. Our film industry is quite happy with this. Therefore, the word "orc" almost completely replaced the term "urk", and even our news channels begin to call them "urks" only when the clouds of history are gathering, and they give me a command to take off.
    1. Aeneas
      Aeneas 16 September 2013 09: 23
      +2
      floridly written. recourse
    2. Mature naturalist
      Mature naturalist 16 September 2013 23: 55
      +1
      What is this nonsense?
  • S-200
    S-200 16 September 2013 09: 15
    +1
    Quote: Tartary
    I am from Khabarovsk, my wife with Ukrainian roots, with relatives from Zhmerinka ...
    Following the link, voted as it should (!) ... I have a moral right.
    The second time the program replied that I had already voted.

    hi And those have a kavo surname on "О "ends also have a GENETIC right?!?! belay
    PS His hoch.Lushka - closer to the body! wassat(Russian international.)
  • Backfire
    Backfire 16 September 2013 09: 25
    27 th
    What nonsense. Take an interest in how many millions of Ukrainians were exiled and destroyed in the 30 years. During the famine in Ukraine, people ate their children. And this is in fertile Ukraine! Somehow Ukrainians died during the Second World War.
    And then newcomers settled in entire villages.
    Read more here, for example: http://kobza.com.ua/21-regionalni-vydannja/golos-ukrajiny-tjumen/2491-ukraynskaj

    a-dyaspora-tjumenskoj-oblasty.html

    An interesting point, there are nationalities: German, French, Chinese, Japanese, Ukrainian, and only "Russian, Russians - this is not a noun, this is an adjective. That is, describing belonging - who, they say, whose slave you will be.

    By the way, the word "Svidomo" means - aware, understanding. What, it cuts a servile ear, I understand ...
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv 16 September 2013 09: 45
      +6
      This is the syllable. Cho
      Only here in Kiev the roads are worse than in many regional cities of the Russian Federation. Also to blame
      And that the population is also dying out?
      And what a thump on black?
      And that there is no work and all who go where.
      The Russians are to blame for everything however !!! 111 !!
    2. Galina
      Galina 16 September 2013 10: 35
      +1
      You write such trivialities that even you are reluctant to prove anything. I will limit myself only to advice: do not read the yellow press, read and watch more independent sources and professional literature on history.
    3. Proud.
      Proud. 16 September 2013 11: 04
      +1
      Quote: Backfire
      . Take an interest in how many millions of Ukrainians were exiled and destroyed in the 30s.
      After reading the comments dark_65, "Odnoklassniki" found this group, those who "know". They did not hesitate to voice the figure. Since 31, and over 6 years, 55 million have died. The numbers are growing.


      Quote: Backfire
      An interesting point, there are nationalities

      Why is a Frenchman (living in France) and not Frank?
      Quote: Backfire
      Ukrainian,
      But what about the Ukrainian? Ukrainian is living in (in) Ukraine, but not nationality. By your logic.
      Quote: Backfire
      "Russian, Russians are not a noun, this is an adjective.

      Nope. It's just a linguistic trick, a deliberate substitution. The vast majority of ignorance. For example, I also did not know, until a certain time. I-Rus.
      Quote: Backfire
      whose slave you will be.
      Consider this, your quote, a question for you. Backfire-oncoming fire (translation). And what are you setting on fire from yourself? Yes, I almost forgot. You "-".
      1. S-200
        S-200 16 September 2013 11: 39
        +1
        Quote: Be proud.
        .Backfire-oncoming fire (translation). And what are you setting yourself on fire?

        Tu-22M (product "45", according to NATO codification: Backfire) - a long-range supersonic missile-bomber with variable wing geometry.
        tovarisCh from the "former" looks like ... yavrey, I suppose, spiteful at Russ! belay
        1. Proud.
          Proud. 16 September 2013 18: 45
          +1
          Quote: S-200
          Tu-22M

          Hello. Yes, I know, I just didn’t want to be interested in directly what combustible substance is rushing from it. laughing
    4. Babon
      Babon 16 September 2013 11: 05
      +3
      German, Frenchman, Chinese, Japanese, Ukrainian

      I especially liked the German about nationality. The Germans historically called the Germans, since they did not speak Slavic, in fact, it is correct to write Slovene, from word to word. There is a concept of Germanic peoples, in Germany it is the Saxons, Bavarians, Prussians, etc. .. Moreover, they communicate in their dialects, which are not quite similar. In France, there is also a mixture of Germanic Frank tribes with local Gallamians as well as Italian tribes and they fought very fiercely among themselves. France itself consists of several states, for example, Burgundy. And in different parts of France they also speak different dialects. In China, in different parts of the country they generally speak different languages, and all this is Chinese. There are several nations, Uighurs for example. If according to history, before the First World War just fertile Ukraine was much smaller than now. It was just the Russian lands that were presented to Ukraine by Ulyanov. So do not think of adjectives.
    5. AlNikolaich
      AlNikolaich 16 September 2013 11: 25
      +3
      Quote: Backfire
      An interesting point, there are nationalities: German, French, Chinese, Japanese, Ukrainian, and only "Russian, Russians - this is not a noun, this is an adjective. That is, describing belonging - who, they say, whose slave you will be.

      Interestingly, and whose slave will you be? Or do you have no thoughts in your head? Learn Russian! Russian is a substantiated word! It can be a noun and an adjective!
      I am Russian!

      Quote: Backfire
      What nonsense. Take an interest in how many millions of Ukrainians were exiled and destroyed in the 30 years. During the famine in Ukraine, people ate their children. And this is in fertile Ukraine! Somehow Ukrainians died during the Second World War.
      And then newcomers settled in entire villages.

      Do you think people of other nationalities? How many people died from hunger in the Volga region? Russians, Tatars, Chuvashs, Mordovians and others? And how many nations were exiled?
      And in your opinion, only Ukrainians died in the Second World War? Well, yes, the Galitchin division destroyed a lot of Ukrainians ... And Russians, Armenians and Georgians ... To list everyone whom your svidomye destroyed?
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    7. Setrac
      Setrac 16 September 2013 15: 48
      +1
      Quote: Backfire
      An interesting point, there are nationalities: German, French, Chinese, Japanese, Ukrainian, and only "Russian, Russians - this is not a noun, this is an adjective. That is, describing belonging - who, they say, whose slave you will be.

      I already answered this attack - about the fact that Russian is an adjective, but I repeat.
      Everything is correct, Russian is an adjective, man is a noun, we are Russian people.
      Accordingly, "German, French, Chinese, Japanese, Ukrainian" is not a human being, a new species of two-legged, degraded by the Russian people. You, dear American, are not human.
      Russian - belonging to the light brown (white) race, well, you, everyone else, are laughing, semi-finished, the result of mixing with the black and yellow race.
    8. MG42
      MG42 16 September 2013 17: 49
      +4
      Quote: Backfire
      By the way, the word "Svidomo" means - aware, understanding. What cuts a servile ear, I understand

      There are also unofficial interpretations of this word. wassat but they violate the rules of the site ..
      And the picture is tough, of course ... you just had to signSvidomo ocean of dreams> under the stars-striped mattress ... by the way, there is a similar picture in spite of the USA >>

    9. Garrin
      Garrin 16 September 2013 20: 47
      +3
      Quote: Backfire
      What, cuts the servile ear, I understand ...

      And whose servile ear is this, let me know? Could it be those who left the pissing mattress to wash?
  • The Indian Joe
    The Indian Joe 16 September 2013 09: 26
    +5
    Ukraine within its current borders is doomed to an eternal confrontation between East and West. Some Ukrainians want the Customs Union, some want the European Union. Part supports Russia and people. fought against the Nazis, some of Bandera, Hitler's allies.
    Changes will be possible only if the opinions of one part of the citizens of the country are ignored, which will lead to mass protests and unrest, or if it collapses.
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv 16 September 2013 09: 47
      +1
      with its collapse.

      So Ukraine is a coined state and created against Russia and has no other purpose. And for this, the Western partners give to do on the territory everything that the leadership wishes.
  • avia12005
    avia12005 16 September 2013 09: 42
    +1
    The author, bravo !!! Stupid svidomity understand, but do not want to admit that they failed Ukraine as an independent country. They understand that after joining the association with the EU, a ruined Ukraine will not be anything. They, as a joker, know that their frauds will be revealed, but for fear they pretend that this is necessary. P wassat reedurki
  • 12061973
    12061973 16 September 2013 09: 43
    +5
    the restrictions imposed by Russia against Ukraine negatively affect the pro-Russian regions of Lugansk, Dnepropetrovsk, Donetsk, where there is a recession in the economy and a deterioration in the standard of living, Lviv Ternopil, etc. areas for Russian gas are violet. the question is who and why pushes Ukraine away from Russia.
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv 16 September 2013 09: 54
      +5
      the question is who and why pushes Ukraine away from Russia.

      Anti-Russian leadership of urkaina.
      1. 12061973
        12061973 17 September 2013 00: 16
        0
        Quote: leon-iv
        Ukaina anti-Russian leadership

        or maybe the anti-Russian leadership of Russia.
  • tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 16 September 2013 09: 57
    +1
    Pichalnaya article, and indeed the situation is pichalnaya.
    1. Igarr
      Igarr 16 September 2013 10: 40
      0
      I don’t see anything pichalny ...
      Such articles appear steadily.
      Stably shouts that Ukraine is kirdyk.
      But, we also see steadily that everything is not so.
      And no kirdyk. And there is a "corked barrel of wort", wanders.
      Until it wanders around, even thoughts like the Backfire appear.
      ...
      First time, perhaps?
      We are all taught without exception - shock therapy, shock therapy - the key to success.
      Teach since the 10th century. Preachers, mythical Mongols, Poles-Swedes, French, ourselves, French-Germans, Americans.
      Well, Ukraine has such a fate that she gets a shock - above the roof.
      So - soon it will become the state number ONCE in the world.
      ...
      So, if the patient does not bend from shock, then he will become more beautiful than before.
      ".. The king crossed himself three times,
      .... Jump into the cauldron -
      ................. and cooked there.!
      ..
      The laws of dialectics have not been canceled. By the way.
  • aepocmam
    aepocmam 16 September 2013 11: 28
    0
    What is "eu-eu"? And this will be Ukraine in the EU ...
  • Semyon Albertovich
    Semyon Albertovich 16 September 2013 13: 05
    0
    The author of the article clearly studied the question - everything happens just like that.
  • smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 16 September 2013 13: 32
    +1
    Here is what one of the "rulers" of Ukraine, Hetman Skoropadsky, wrote about the Galician error ...
    "... Narrow Ukrainians are exclusively a product brought to us from Galicia, and it makes no sense to transplant the culture of which in its entirety: there is no evidence of success and this is simply a crime, since there is, in fact, no culture there. from the German and Polish table. Already one of their languages ​​clearly reflects this, where in five words - 4 of Polish or German origin ... "

    "The Great Russians and our Ukrainians have jointly created Russian science, Russian literature, music and art, and it is simply ridiculous and inconceivable to give up this high and good in order to take the squalor that the Galicians so kindly offer to us, Ukrainians. . "

    "You cannot reproach Shevchenko that he did not like Ukraine, but let the Galicians or one of our Ukrainian chauvinists tell me honestly that if he were alive now, he would give up Russian culture, Pushkin, Gogol and the like and would recognize only Galician culture; there is no doubt that he, without a moment's hesitation, would say that he could never give up Russian culture and does not want Ukrainians to give it up.
    But at the same time, he would work on the development of his own, Ukrainian, if the conditions would give him the opportunity to do this. As far as I think it is necessary that children at home and at school speak the same language in which their mother taught them, would know in detail the history of their Ukraine, its geography, as far as I believe it is necessary for Ukrainians to work on creating their own culture, just as I consider it senseless and disastrous for Ukraine to break away from Russia, especially culturally. With the existence and free development of Russian and Ukrainian culture, we can flourish, but if we now abandon the first culture, we will only be a bedding for other nations and will never be able to create anything great. "

    A source:
    Skoropadsky P.
    HAVE, Kinets 1917-chest 1918r.
    1995, p. 233- 234.

    Even this German litter understood what infection they brought to Ukraine ...
    1. xan
      xan 16 September 2013 22: 35
      +1
      Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
      Even this German litter understood what infection they brought to Ukraine ...

      Litter is not litter, but at the end of its reign in Ukraine, it stopped playing in Ukraine and took a clear course towards whites. But White did not have time.
      And under him, Russian nobles were not slaughtered, as under Petliura.
  • Ddhal
    Ddhal 16 September 2013 13: 39
    +2
    This hostility is our common misfortune .. you need to think about the future - in what environment will our grandchildren live - in Christian or Muslim?
  • Cristall
    Cristall 16 September 2013 17: 59
    -1
    Hmm, I somehow thought if you look at which countries have the most publications
    these are the USA and Ukraine. if everything is clear with amers, then Ukraine is steadily collecting "cash" in the news, as a country. And her "kirdyk" is stable at 91.
    Yes, we have a lot of things that are bad. We do not hide it. If you do nothing, nothing will happen.
    Regarding the accusations of Russia - you are consistently accused only by the media (mostly the same ones) and this is clearly not the voice of the people, and "zapadentsy" like Farion / Tyagnibok. These are generally .. I will not say who they are.
    I didn’t hear in Odessa that someone on the street or in a conversation said - Russia is to blame. The Internet is a garbage dump, with my own eyes I see the same troll, wise to shit in the souls of the people on both sides of the Berlin Wall. And there are many such trolls ... and not the fact that these are Ukrainians or Russians. The site is about the music and there is a face that begins to say nasty things, whether it’s Haspopisyut or Finoi and so on ... that’s why the impression is like everything is bad.
    And in youth, youth is gullible.
    By the way, 50 people will be fired only in Kremenchug because of the Candy War ... people from the pro-Russian region .. how do you think their views will change? Curtailing the MS (an ardent pro-Russian that even the Ukrainian language was banned on the territory) will not benefit pro-Russian opinion.
    Zapadentsev do not care about the sanctions of Russia! I don’t care about the price of gas (it’s for production, but domestic Ukrainian) I don’t care about trade wars, the main part of production is the eastern pro-Russian part.
    You can say as much as you like, but all the negative of the countries - fell on the "pro-Russian" east and partly south) Moreover, it is he who will be killed and sacrificed ... and there will be no "pro-Russian sentiments" - they will be killed on both sides, and inside and outside.
    If this is a mutual plan, it must be admitted that it works. Cut the threads of the unity of the people from the inside and outside and get a poor beggar, but completely united in an anti-Russian mood "Western nation"
    try with a referendum. I hope the mind will win someday. The main thing is that he was not only with us.
    1. xan
      xan 16 September 2013 22: 42
      +1
      Quote: Cristall
      By the way, 50 people will be fired only in Kremenchug because of the Candy War ... people from the pro-Russian region .. how do you think their views will change?

      In other words, in order for the pro-Russian regions to feel better, it is necessary to maintain the whole of Ukraine, so what? Go on wiring your secessionists, because it will affect the pro-Russian electorate? What is this nonsense?
      And pro-Russian Ukrainians, if with brains, will perfectly understand that Russia is protecting its market, and it is not Russia that is to blame for this, but your mediocre politicians.
  • domokl
    domokl 16 September 2013 18: 38
    +2
    Quote: Aeneas
    As for the WTO, how to say, how to say. Ukrainian metallurgy and chemistry collapsed due to the highest gas prices, and falling metal prices due to the crisis. This was offset by the growth of the farm, which received such opportunities due to the opening of the markets of WTO member countries.

    I didn’t want to write anything on this topic, but one thing in the article is indisputable - Ukraine as a state signed a sentence. Now (even before signing the agreement) it doesn’t matter what and how. It will be very difficult to win back. Even giving up the WTO. The paradox is that Ukraine cannot live without neighbors, but cannot live with its neighbors ...
  • Backfire
    Backfire 16 September 2013 21: 00
    0
    Quote: Setrac
    Russian - belonging to the light brown (white) race, well, you, everyone else, are laughing, semi-finished, the result of mixing with the black and yellow race.

    Yes, yes "white race"
    1. Backfire
      Backfire 16 September 2013 21: 03
      0
      and here is a list of applicants to the St. Petersburg University of the Ministry of Internal Affairs several years ago.
      There are only a couple of people not "-ogly"

      This is your Ministry of Interior in 20-30 years.
      Get ready "Russians"
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 16 September 2013 22: 06
        0
        Quote: Backfire
        This is your Ministry of Interior in 20-30 years.
        Get ready "Russians"

        Not clickable! Announce the entire list, the university enrollment of 35 people? You are not saying anything.
      2. AlNikolaich
        AlNikolaich 17 September 2013 01: 57
        0
        Quote: Backfire
        This is your Ministry of Interior in 20-30 years.
        Get ready "Russians"

        I translate for the "unseen"
        Specialty 030501 \ 65: "Jurisprudence" (specialization - criminal law (departmental specialization - preliminary investigation in law enforcement bodies); qualification - lawyer);

        Specialty 030501: "Jurisprudence" (specialization - general legal, civil law; qualification - lawyer).
        This is a special faculty that trains civil lawyers. The Ministry of Internal Affairs is not waiting for them.
        Next time study the topic before writing!
    2. Setrac
      Setrac 16 September 2013 22: 02
      +1
      Quote: Backfire
      Yes, yes "white race"

      What kind of troops? Not the Airborne Forces and not the Marines, that's for sure, and not even motorized riflemen. Something "elite", railway workers or even a construction battalion. When I was writing "Derbent" there was an appeal from two republics, Dagestan and Bashkiria, not a single Russian took part in this.
      P.S. Judging by the buttonholes - railroad workers.
      1. Backfire
        Backfire 16 September 2013 22: 16
        +1
        What kind of troops? Not the Airborne Forces and not the Marines, that's for sure, and not even motorized riflemen. Something "elite", railway workers or even a construction battalion

        And you save the picture and enlarge - there are not "sleepers", there are swords and scales of justice.
        And on the top form is the name of the institution.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 16 September 2013 22: 28
          0
          Quote: Backfire
          And you save the picture and enlarge - there are not "sleepers", there are swords and scales of justice.

          The pixelity is high, but the shape is the buttonholes of the railroad workers.
          Quote: Backfire
          And on the top form is the name of the institution.

          I repeat the question, recruitment of 35 people? Or do you customize the data to fit your ideas?
    3. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 16 September 2013 22: 25
      0
      This scum, which dared to abuse the Russian guys, put in prison for 10 years, and then deported, without the right to enter Russia, the NIS ...
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 16 September 2013 22: 34
        +2
        Quote: ia-ai00
        This scum, which dared to abuse the Russian guys, put in prison for 10 years, and then deported, without the right to enter Russia, the NIS ...

        Judging by the appearance of the first three - fellow countrymen with a finger, the people in the picture are apparently the same "ogly" from the list of the University of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. I do not know what the buttonholes of the Ministry of Internal Affairs look like.
  • Backfire
    Backfire 16 September 2013 21: 08
    +2
    Moscow is not yours anymore, but their ... village!
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 16 September 2013 22: 07
      -3
      Quote: Backfire
      Moscow is not yours anymore, but their ... village!

      Where is the Kremlin in the background, or something else to justify the inscription under the picture?
      1. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 16 September 2013 22: 11
        +2
        They showed on TV their last holiday, so it was, it .... Moscow ...
    2. xan
      xan 16 September 2013 22: 51
      0
      Quote: Backfire
      Moscow is not yours anymore, but their ... village!

      Such a serious accusation requires a more serious basis than photography.
      For example, in London, the most common name among newborns is Mohammed.
      In Moscow, Muslim names are not even included in the first twenty female and male names.
      There are more good reasons? If not, then it's vyser, and the author is a flawed and stupid forum fighter.
  • Backfire
    Backfire 16 September 2013 22: 12
    -6
    Quote: MG42
    And the picture is tough, of course ... only it was necessary to sign <the ocean of Svidomo dreams> under the stars-striped mattress ... by the way, there is a similar picture in spite of the USA >>

    This is the "Ocean of Dreams" not of America at all, but of Ukraine, and unlike the one with "the strait between Canada and Mexico", this one expresses the aspirations of an increasing number of Ukrainians. They are not as evil as you are. They don't want the ocean north of them to be created by nuclear strikes. And the ocean has a symbolic meaning here. They just want you (your Kings) to lag behind them, to stop pulling people into their "Taiga Unions". Forget about Ukraine as "your own" and then to the southwest of you there will be just a friendly state, where you will always be welcome.
    1. MG42
      MG42 16 September 2013 22: 25
      +4
      Quote: Backfire
      This "Ocean of Dreams" is not at all America, but Ukraine, and unlike the one with "the strait between Canada and Mexico", this one expresses the aspirations of an increasing number of Ukrainians. They are not as evil as you are. They don't want the ocean north of them to be created by nuclear strikes. And the ocean has a symbolic meaning here.

      Well, they’ve erased themselves from Russia, from the world map in the picture, here on the Russian site they still loyally reacted to you ..
      Quote: Backfire
      They just want you (your Kings) to lag behind them, to stop pulling into their "Taiga Unions". Forget about Ukraine as "your own" and then to the south-west of you there will be just a friendly state, where you will always be welcome.

      Stop being stupid, I'm writing from Ukraine wassat and here you have a star-striped mattress on a flagpole ..
    2. Setrac
      Setrac 16 September 2013 22: 32
      +3
      Quote: Backfire
      This is the "Ocean of Dreams" not at all of America, but of Ukraine, and unlike the one with "the strait between Canada and Mexico", this one expresses the aspirations of an increasing number of Ukrainians.

      Where you are taught so brazenly to lie. These are the dreams of the State Department, issued as the dreams of Ukrainians.
      1. MG42
        MG42 16 September 2013 22: 54
        0
        Quote: Setrac
        Where you are taught so brazenly to lie. These are the dreams of the State Department, issued as the dreams of Ukrainians.

        No wonder there on the map everything is in English, Svidomo inserted into the demotivator ..
        Original map, all countries converge in colors .. >>
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  • Backfire
    Backfire 16 September 2013 22: 34
    -2
    Quote: Setrac
    Where is the Kremlin in the background, or something else to justify the inscription under the picture?

    Do not rush, the Kremlin will be for you, but for now:
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 16 September 2013 22: 40
      +2
      Quote: Backfire
      Do not rush, the Kremlin will be for you, but for now:

      In the meantime, break off.
  • Backfire
    Backfire 16 September 2013 22: 41
    -4
    Quote: ia-ai00
    This scum, which dared to abuse the Russian guys, put in prison for 10 years, and then deported, without the right to enter Russia, the NIS ...

    Class! You still do not understand - over which Russian?
    Yes in this picture, all Russians.
    I tried to explain here, it is absolutely no coincidence that "Russian" is an adjective.
    I did not expect such expression to an obvious fact. You always have always had kings. But if there is a king, then on the other side is it necessary who? That's right - slaves.

    Somehow I got notes by foreigners about the appearance of Russians and Ukrainians from the time of the Pereyaslav Rada.
    A striking difference. On the one hand - slaves, on the other - free people.
    After the "unification", your tsars began to prohibit Ukrainians simply to dress decently - so as not to embarrass the slaves!
    I'm not making it up. And foreigners wrote those notes for themselves, not for the "press".

    Nothing has changed since then. Why are they so grasping at Ukraine now? It's not about economics, or even politics. If only a normal state appears on the borders of Russia, which until recently was in the stall of the "union of the indestructible", this will bring confusion into the mind. An example is contagious. This is a direct threat to the power of your kings, no matter how they are called now - presidents, prime ministers, gene. secretaries.
    1. Backfire
      Backfire 16 September 2013 22: 43
      0
      And this is also "Russian"!
      He's yours ... or what?
      Or are you his?
      I will not understand anymore
      1. xan
        xan 16 September 2013 23: 12
        +1
        Quote: Backfire
        And this is also "Russian"!
        He's yours ... or what?
        Or are you his?
        I will not understand anymore

        This so-called "Russian" is now doing a useful job in the Caucasus - with the help of loyal Chechens he wipes disloyal Chechens. For example, the Israelis would like to have such a figure among the Arabs, but it does not work. And when the harm from Kadyrov becomes more useful, it will be removed - there are still those bastards in the Kremlin, it will not rust.
    2. xan
      xan 16 September 2013 23: 02
      +1
      Quote: Backfire
      Somehow I got notes by foreigners about the appearance of Russians and Ukrainians from the time of the Pereyaslav Rada.
      A striking difference. On the one hand - slaves, on the other - free people.
      After the "unification", your tsars began to prohibit Ukrainians simply to dress decently - so as not to embarrass the slaves!
      I'm not making it up. And foreigners wrote those notes for themselves, not for the "press".

      Complete nonsense! Prove the links, forum fighter.
      The European Poles considered your free people to be cattle and slaughtered them like cattle. After the Pereyaslavl Rada, ordinary Cossacks refused to go to the aid of the Hungarians against the Poles at the initiative of Khmelnitsky when they learned that the campaign was not authorized by the tsar - a historical fact. At the time of the Ruins, a simple Cossacks and bolsheviks stood behind the Russian mountains, otherwise there was no way to stay in Ukraine, this can be proved by the constant presence of Cossack cavalry in the Russian troops. Yes, and one defense of Uman is worth it.
      And the last nail in the coffin of your lyrics. Under the Poles, Ukraine was constantly in a fever, rebellion after rebellion. In Russian, only treason is Mazepa’s lush and that’s it. And the Polish right bank was still in a fever for a century. Where did the freedom-loving impulses of Ukrainians go?
    3. Setrac
      Setrac 16 September 2013 23: 13
      +1
      Quote: Backfire
      I did not expect such expression to an obvious fact. You always have always had kings. But if there is a king, then on the other side is it necessary who? That's right - slaves.

      There were kings, not always but they were. I am forming you uneducated, where the landowners are TAM slaves. The king is the father and subjects are his children. For the Russian, the tsar is like a second father, and the authority of the father is indisputable, regardless of his innocence. No need to put an equal sign between the king and the king, these are completely different concepts.
    4. xan
      xan 16 September 2013 23: 23
      +2
      And I served, so in the neighboring part there was such a case.
      Caucasians refused to clean the living quarters. They were forced to. Half of them tried to escape, they were caught. One of them, just a Dagestan, disappeared, a month later he was found hanged in the forest.
      And in the photo hazing, and the army is successfully fighting it.
  • Backfire
    Backfire 16 September 2013 23: 23
    0
    Quote: xan
    This so-called "Russian" is now doing a useful job in the Caucasus

    I'm looking at the picture and don't understand, so who's doing what to whom, useful:
    1. xan
      xan 17 September 2013 00: 06
      +1
      Quote: Backfire
      I’m looking at the picture and don’t understand, so who’s doing what to whom, useful

      I see that you are very concerned about where the Russians spend their money
      especially for you, a flawed representative of a small nation
      Honduras, GDP per capita of 2 US dollars per year (900)
      Ukraine, per capita GDP of 3 US dollars per year (877)
      Russia, GDP per capita of $ 14 per year (918)
      The figures are taken in nominal, and not at purchasing power parity.
      Well, lad, 22 years of independence - Honduras is just around the corner, and to Russia like cancer to China.
  • ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 16 September 2013 23: 24
    0
    Backfire us
    Class! You still do not understand - over which Russian?
    Yes in this picture, all Russians.

    Russian and RUSSIAN are two BIG differences. There are people, in spirit, mentality - RUSSIAN. And these "Russians", as "eBn" said - "revolutionary", with a stone in their bosom are thugs, they have no place in a normal society. Yes, and you, somehow strongly "love" the Russians, I see. Strive here to evoke a feeling of anger and hatred in people, bile comes out of your comments. And with such elements as you are demonstrating here, the time will come, the relevant authorities will figure it out, I have no doubt.
    1. xan
      xan 17 September 2013 00: 56
      +1
      Quote: ia-ai00
      Yes, and you, somehow strongly "love" the Russians, I see.

      especially for such lovers of Russian I bring your favorite comment
      The popularity of the brothers who have fallen away from Russia is understandable: in the USSR they were part of a great country, a superpower, and now they are the provincial backyards of Europe, playing "what you please". And the spectacle of how Russia WITHOUT THEM regains its former influence, of course, causes a wild cognitive dissonance, they say, "How is it that we are nothing, but they are not? That is, the achievements of the USSR were really possible without us? That is, we just sticky fish, parasites, and besides, they are also stupid, since they themselves left the feeding organism "? and a normal defense reaction is to declare that this is all untrue and only it seems. Well, also to demand equality with the Russian - we are the same as they are! Everything is simple and unoriginal. Get used to it, brothers, this is life.
  • Backfire
    Backfire 16 September 2013 23: 30
    -3
    Quote: Setrac
    Tsar for a Russian is like a second father,

    Yes, I heard your director Mikhalkov sing this song: they say serfdom is a blessing for a Russian man, he is like a father. "Well, etc., in the same spirit, probing the mood of people for a possible restoration of serfdom, of course in the" new wrapper ".

    Father say, well ...
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 16 September 2013 23: 50
      +1
      Quote: Backfire
      Yes, I heard your director Mikhalkov sing this song: they say serfdom is a blessing for a Russian man, he is like a father. "Well, etc., in the same spirit, probing the mood of people for a possible restoration of serfdom, of course in the" new wrapper ".

      I do not watch Mikhalkov, I can’t say anything about this.
      Quote: Backfire
      Father say, well ...

      For all Syrians, he is his father.