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Why did the Defense Ministry choose the New Siberian Islands?

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The Russian Ministry of Defense is embarking on a large-scale project that Deputy Minister Arkady Bakhin described as “returning to the Arctic”.
"We came there or, more precisely, returned forever, because it is the original Russian land."



Last week, Sergei Shoigu identified Arkady Bakhin as a ministerial officer who will be directly responsible for the work on the Arctic. At the first stage, the deputy minister is charged with monitoring the work that the military personnel will carry out on the Novosibirsk islands located at the junction of the Arctic seas: the Laptev and East Siberian seas. The main goal of the military department at the first stage is to build the runway of the Temp airfield, created on the islands during Soviet times, but then not operated for a long time, from which it became completely inoperative for receiving aircraft. The strip will be built with an initial aim at taking off and landing of such aircraft as An-72 and An-74, which, according to representatives of the main military department, will be able to arrive on the Novosibirsk islands at the end of October of this year. Future plans include the expansion and lengthening of the runway of the Temp airfield in order to obtain the possibility of receiving heavy cargo aircraft.

Recall that the active development of the Novosibirsk Archipelago, which, for comparison, more than three times exceeds such a state as, for example, Qatar, began in the 70-ies of the last century. Then the Ministry of Geology of the Soviet Union defined the task of large-scale geological and geophysical research of the islands. To solve this problem, the so-called East Siberian Complex Party was created, with Vladimir Ivanov appointed as its head. The work was carried out with the participation of an experienced geophysicist Alexei Piskarev. The works were aimed at conducting seismic geological exploration. The expedition camp was located in close proximity to the location of the strip of the airfield "Temp", which at that time was designed to serve only such aircraft as the An-2 - Arctic workhorse, as the plane itself was called by the participants of the expedition.

Why did the Defense Ministry choose the New Siberian Islands?

Participants of the seismological expedition to the Novosibirsk Islands (1972 year)


By the 1973, the Novosibirsk Islands were able to deploy several seismic laboratories, which, according to the official version, made it possible to track natural earthquakes in the region of an impressive area. And according to the unofficial, as they say, we guess that with the help of the equipment installed on the New Siberian Islands, it was possible to track not only earthquakes caused by mother nature ...


Seismological station "Temp" (1973 year)


Apparently, the strategic importance of the Novosibirsk Islands was comprehended in modern times. That is why the Defense Minister Shoigu and ordered the beginning of the restoration of the airfield with the further large-scale development of the archipelago.

At the end of last week, ships of the North approached the islands fleet RF, headed by the Peter the Great RK. The ships left the base in Severomorsk on September 3 and were brought to the islands by a group of four nuclear-powered icebreakers (50 Years of Victory, Vaigach, Taimyr and Yamal) due to the difficult ice situation on several sections of the route. Icebreakers were used over complex sections of the route with a length of about 400 nautical miles. The total length of the route was more than 2 thousand nautical miles.


Caravan of ships of Rosatom and Russian Navy


During the movement of the ships a large-scale aviation work with the help of helicopter equipment (Ka-27), which carried out aerial reconnaissance along the route, and also worked out options for landing on nuclear icebreakers. A set of exercises was conducted to test the actions of ship crews with crews of anti-submarine aircraft, as well as training exercises to assist ships in distress in Arctic waters.

The naval grouping (ten support ships and warships) and took the places of anchorage in the water area of ​​the Stakhanovtsev Bay, located on the western tip of the Kotelny Island of the Novosibirsk Archipelago. According to the press service of the Northern Fleet, a group for reconnaissance was landed on the island with the help of a Ka-27 helicopter and special swimming facilities. After the work was done by the reconnaissance team, a decision was made to make a landing on the coast of the Boiler Island with the Kondopoga BDK and the Olenegorsky Miner.

To start the construction work, the corresponding equipment and materials were delivered to the New Siberian Islands. The team was assigned the task to quickly conduct a cartographic analysis and begin work on the construction of the runway of the Temp airfield. Concerning the need to conduct well-coordinated and efficient work, Defense Minister Shoigu spoke out quite unequivocally:
"I really do not want anyone to have to perform feats because of someone's laxity."


Apparently, the minister had in mind, among other things, past experience in starting certain work on the New Siberian Islands, which was frankly unsuccessful. Recall that in September 2012 of the year while landing on the island of Boiler House, the Ka-27 helicopter crashed. Fortunately, in that accident, none of the crew members and the landing party, who was in the helicopter, was injured. The expert group found that the helicopter crash occurred due to jamming of the gearbox. It is reported that the pilots, as they saw them, were driving a car to solid ground, instead of which it turned out to be a swamp. That accident crumpled up the exercises, leaving a clearly negative residue.

This time, no abnormal situations were recorded, and this gives us hope that the work on the Novosibirsk islands will not only be started exactly on time, but also completed on time.

So, why the Defense Ministry may need exactly the Novosibirsk Islands? As already mentioned, at one time seismic monitoring groups operated on the islands. It is obvious that the Soviet experience in establishing earthquake epicenters, which could well have arisen after nuclear tests conducted by other states, is difficult to overestimate in the current situation. The materials remaining from the work of the East-Siberian integrated party of Vladimir Ivanov will allow you to quickly set up work, let's say, in a modern way. In addition, the New Siberian Islands are a strategic archipelago of the Arctic Ocean, on which a polar station operated from 1933. The station conducted systematic research in the field of meteorology, hydrology, geology, geomagnetism. The achievements of Soviet scientists can be invaluable for those groups that are going to work on the Novosibirsk islands today. The unique bay of Stakhanovtsev, which today is used by the ships of the Federation Council of the Russian Federation to select the anchorage sites on the islands, has a unique location. With quality work, the bay can become an important element of the infrastructure of the Novosibirsk Archipelago.


Gulf of Stakhanovtsy (70's)


I would like the work on the New Siberian Islands to be carried out in such a way that it does not destroy the truly unique ecosystem of the Arctic lands. Today, the archipelago, which is part of the Republic of Sakha (Yakutia), is part of the protected zone of the Ust-Lensky reserve.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 16 September 2013 07: 40 New
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    The main thing is that there would be excellent conditions for life and service, and there would be an appropriate grouping of forces and means, and then this base will generally become a real "bone in the throat" for all "lovers" of the Arctic territories,
    1. Orel
      Orel 16 September 2013 07: 47 New
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      I agree, but I think it will be important that they "do not dirt" everything there. If you already came to protect your native land, then you should not litter it. Mother Nature helped us in many wars, so it would not be out of place to enlist her support.
      1. zanoza
        zanoza 16 September 2013 14: 59 New
        +3
        Here's what you have to restore (?) And what to clean.
      2. old man54
        old man54 16 September 2013 21: 11 New
        +1
        Quote: Orel
        but I think it will be important that they "do not spoil" everything there. If you have come to protect your native land, then you should not litter it.

        your golden words, but who will control them there, eh?
        1. sergo0000
          sergo0000 17 September 2013 07: 31 New
          +2
          Quote: old man54
          Quote: Orel
          but I think it will be important that they "do not spoil" everything there. If you have come to protect your native land, then you should not litter it.

          your golden words, but who will control them there, eh?

          Oh you! And what are the satellites for ?! wink You lag behind life.
    2. severbob
      severbob 16 September 2013 08: 47 New
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      Shoigu took up the mind left to put Serdyuk
      1. Indigo
        Indigo 16 September 2013 12: 57 New
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        and what if all these businessmen, and to restore the runway on the islands and at the end of the restoration, were knocked out in granite - in this place, the former minister and his female platoon plowed with blood and sweat, shovel, and Kyle, repentance for their deeds for the good of the Motherland!
        ... as a warning to posterity that theft can only lead to slave labor ...
        1. StolzSS
          StolzSS 16 September 2013 21: 34 New
          +2
          Interesting idea! May I be the senior convoy of these slaves? Experience is available in working in the north and with a dangerous contingent)))) bully
      2. AleksUkr
        AleksUkr 16 September 2013 17: 34 New
        +2
        What a bloodthirsty you are! You were clearly told that we are not 37 years old. And Mr. Taburetkin enters into the unsinkable cohort.
        Although about the "Titanic" they also said that it was unsinkable. It is interesting, will Serdyukov share the fate of the famous airliner?

        Vladimir Putin does not make public scandals in his immediate environment-it is already pulling ....

        In the Serdyukov case, Putin perfectly understood that what he hears about Taburetkin is talking about HIM! He himself does not hide who brought Serdyukov to power and who "turned a blind eye" to all of his art for five years. If Putin miss the power, he will hear curses 100 times stronger than Serdyukov.
      3. taynik
        taynik 18 September 2013 16: 19 New
        +1
        Shoigu seemed to have no mental problems!
        And for the disposal of metal it is necessary to use a press, because it is not practical to transport air in barrels on nuclear powered ships to large land.
    3. xetai9977
      xetai9977 16 September 2013 08: 55 New
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      In my opinion, in the Soviet years, the base was not only in the Novosibirsk islands. My cousin served in the New Earth in the Marine Corps in 1978
      1. Natalia
        Natalia 16 September 2013 09: 43 New
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        The Arctic is not only future resources and military facilities, it is also the Northern Sea Route, most of which passes through the territorial waters of the Russian Federation, and it is more profitable for countries of East and Asia to transport their goods across Europe to the north, accompanied by Russian icebreakers (and this also includes revenues to the Russian budget ) than through the Suez Canal and the Mediterranean Sea (this is three weeks more time, and the path is not the safest). It will also be more convenient for Europeans to transport goods to Asia via the Northern Sea Route. So, from an economic point of view, the arrangement and establishment of transit cargo through the North Sea route is a big PLUS for the Russian economy.
        Some statistics, the number of goods transported along the North Sea route:
        for 2012: 5-6 ships
        for 2013: 240 this is only at the moment
        1. mamba
          mamba 16 September 2013 11: 37 New
          +2
          Quote: Natalia
          it is more profitable for countries of East and Asia to transport their goods to the same Europe through the north than through the Suez Canal and the Mediterranean Sea (this is three weeks more time, and the route is not the safest). It will also be more convenient for Europeans to transport goods to Asia via the Northern Sea Route.

          But won't it be faster through the transsib? After all, this is the shortest way: along the main passenger passage (from Moscow to Vladivostok) - 9.288,2 km. And our Russian Railways monopolist will stop complaining about the upcoming tariff freeze.
          1. Natalia
            Natalia 16 September 2013 11: 51 New
            +7
            Quote: mamba
            But won't it be faster through the transsib? After all, this is the shortest way: along the main passenger passage (from Moscow to Vladivostok) - 9.288,2 km.

            I think the answer is obvious ... more than one train will not be able to transport such a quantity of cargo (bulky cargo) as a cargo tanker. Agree ....
            It’s more profitable to send one tanker along the North Sea route than 30 train trains via the trans-Siberian railway, more profitable both in money and in time ....
            1. Coward
              Coward 16 September 2013 15: 03 New
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              Do not count for male chauvinism. But you have a container ship in the photo. A tanker is a vessel designed to transport liquid cargo in bulk.
              1. gunnerminer
                gunnerminer 16 September 2013 15: 31 New
                +4
                Do not count for male chauvinism. But you have a container ship in the photo. A tanker is a vessel designed to transport liquid cargo in bulk.



                That's right. In addition, container transportation is unlikely due to the formation of condensation in containers, for example, with equipment, furniture. Also with bulk goods that absorb moisture well. It is possible to transport metal structures, LPG, LNG. This amounts to a small amount of cargo transportation.
                1. Coward
                  Coward 16 September 2013 17: 03 New
                  +4
                  Want to say that condensation does not form in the tropics? There the humidity is higher than in the north. Rather, due to very low temperatures, equipment and furniture will suffer.
                  1. gunnerminer
                    gunnerminer 17 September 2013 00: 30 New
                    +1
                    Want to say that condensation does not form in the tropics? There the humidity is higher than in the north. Rather, due to very low temperatures, equipment and furniture will suffer.


                    Do not attribute your thoughts to me. I discuss transit along the Northern Sea Route. The tropics are in another place. I have not used the word tropics.
              2. Natalia
                Natalia 16 September 2013 19: 25 New
                +2
                Quote: Coward
                Do not count for male chauvinism. But you have a container ship in the photo. A tanker is a vessel designed to transport liquid cargo in bulk.

                Well, well ... maybe maybe not a tanker but a cargo ship, but I’m sure that I will understand ...
                1. jasper
                  jasper 17 September 2013 22: 01 New
                  +1
                  ignore the boys frolic hi
              3. alone
                alone 16 September 2013 21: 50 New
                +2
                for sure. I have never seen tankers with containers. but in bulk oil products))
            2. Setrac
              Setrac 16 September 2013 20: 49 New
              +2
              Quote: Natalia
              like a cargo tanker

              And also a passenger tanker?
          2. Nick
            Nick 16 September 2013 17: 04 New
            +4
            Quote: mamba
            But won't it be faster through the transsib? After all, this is the shortest path: along the main passenger passage (from Moscow to Vladivostok)

            Sea transport is the cheapest, although it may not be the fastest ...
          3. Debryansk
            Debryansk 16 September 2013 23: 43 New
            +1
            Natalia does not agree with you on sowing. The shortest will be by rail, only new high-speed lines need to be laid, using the latest technologies, for freight transportation, without combining with passenger transportation. Two projects - the development of the railway and the north sea route the state will not pull, huge costs . Railway communication year-round, in contrast to sowing. pestilence. the way.
        2. Coward
          Coward 16 September 2013 14: 52 New
          +1
          It will also be more convenient for Europeans to transport goods to Asia via the Northern Sea Route.
          How to say. Ice reinforcement, and for the NSR requires maximum amplification, significantly eats up the deadweight.
        3. gunnerminer
          gunnerminer 16 September 2013 15: 32 New
          +3
          Do not count for male chauvinism. But you have a container ship in the photo. A tanker is a vessel designed to transport liquid cargo in bulk.



          That's right. In addition, container shipping is unlikely due to the formation of condensation in containers, for example with equipment, furniture. It is also with bulk cargo that absorbs moisture well. It is possible to transport metal structures, LPG, LNG. This amounts to a small amount of cargo transportation.
      2. moremansf
        moremansf 16 September 2013 13: 01 New
        +3
        There is still something left on New Earth ...
        1. VAF
          VAF 16 September 2013 16: 04 New
          +2
          Quote: moremansf
          There is still something left on New Earth ...


          Yes, not something, but something, that’s the “problem” - the “phonit” is all that ... ".... the dosimeter’s arrow is off scale" wassat
          1. gispanec
            gispanec 16 September 2013 22: 31 New
            +4
            Quote: vaf
            Yes, not something, but something, that’s the “problem” - the “phonit” is all that ... ".... the dosimeter’s arrow is off scale"

            excuse me .... did you yourself use the dosimeter when it went off scale ?? .... I was there 2 years ago .... the background is within normal limits .... I personally used the rook!
            1. VAF
              VAF 17 September 2013 11: 51 New
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              Quote: gispanec
              and you yourself used the dosimeter when it went off scale ??


              So exactly soldier True, it was ... it’s like that .. eleven years ago, when they tried to “try” to use something from the “repair fund” from helicopters and planes wink but ... alas and ah request
      3. Nick
        Nick 16 September 2013 17: 02 New
        +4
        Quote: xetai9977
        on Novaya Zemlya in the Marine Corps in 1978

        On Novaya Zemlya, pigs are still being taken during training launches of ICBMs, so IMHO the army did not leave from there ...
      4. drop
        drop 16 September 2013 20: 36 New
        +8
        I had to lead the development of the Northern Sea Route. In my article "The challenge is to increase the effectiveness of missile and bomb strikes," I mentioned. we must immediately return to this region everything that we created there to protect it
    4. Rus2012
      Rus2012 16 September 2013 09: 49 New
      +5
      Quote: svp67
      The main thing is that there would be excellent conditions for life and service, and there would be an appropriate grouping of forces and means, and then this base will generally become a real "bone in the throat" for all "lovers" of the Arctic territories,


      The main thing is to create the appropriate infrastructure, taking into account not optimal development, but optimal. So that over time, millions of barrels and broken equipment do not again clutter up the territory (as you know: taking it out is more expensive ...)

      Most likely the first mobile nuclear power plant on the nuclear submarine will be delivered there ...
    5. VAF
      VAF 16 September 2013 16: 02 New
      +6
      Quote: svp67
      The main thing is that there would be excellent conditions for life and service, and there would be an appropriate grouping of forces and means, and then this base will generally become a real "bone in the throat" for all "lovers" of the Arctic territories,


      Namesake drinks ... Well, explain to the old fool "what for goat boyan" belay (it’s the Novosibirsk islands under the slaughterhouse)!
      1. They are located almost in the center of the borders of our territorial waters.
      2. Who there. Besides us can "sail" except for polar bears?
      3. What the fuck base of strategists. if Tiksi is nearby ... everything is ready and tested more than once, but you need an IA so no question .... "whistles" and Tankers.
      4. Taskaev flew freely on the 31 to the North Pius.

      Well, the phrase "a bone in the throat for lovers" ... what lovers ???? request

      I would understand that they all the same began to try to "recreate" AB Rogachevo..that yes .. there is a point, but here ????

      New chip .. "bury the loot in the snow" wassat

      Here you have a solid 24 members of the forum fellow “shout”, or are they not familiar with geography or the navigation period, or do not know that even now, without the Atomic icebreakers, no one goes this way?

      Too lazy to look at the map ??? request

      Honestly, men, explain, otherwise ... it looks like a kindergarten! soldier
      1. Tamagon
        Tamagon 16 September 2013 18: 22 New
        +3
        I support, please explain.
        Can there resources what?
      2. old man54
        old man54 16 September 2013 20: 33 New
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        Hello, hello! May I answer a little, for him?
        Quote: vaf
        What the fuck base of strategists. if Tiksi is nearby ... everything is ready and tested more than once, but you need an IA so no question .... "whistles" and Tankers.

        well, nearby, not nearby Tiksi (which, incidentally, was also closed as a military AB, by the way), but is it not enough on the map to this runway at Kotelny from Tiksi 400 / 450 km? But to the north, it is unlikely that AB will be able to create, there the colds are even more severe and pack ice, still not melting. Yes, the islands there are large, similar to Kotelny, is not visible.
        Quote: vaf
        Who there. Besides us can "sail" except for polar bears?

        Well Sergey ... We open the map, look to the east and see the Bering Strait and Alaska itself, still still American, and just to the east are the Canadian lands and islands, and Canada has no less than the United States’s claim to the Arctic! And what for modern NK 2000 km of distance, huh? 2 days of transition and here you are, here we are! wink
        Quote: vaf
        with a navigation period, or don’t they know that even now, without the Atomic icebreakers, no one goes this way?

        Around the beginning of June, as soon as the Bering Strait is cleared of ice, sailing at a distance of 100 / 150 miles from the coast in the summer does not require any icebreaking assistance, to the Taimyr Peninsula for sure! If I hadn’t gone there many times myself, I would have spoken. Navigation is complicated by ice conditions only in the second half of September, but by no means critically. Those. there is a minimum of 4 months when you can dissect there on the NK without any icebreakers or even ice special class ships. + another 2 month of immature ice, which does not require powerful ALA with nuclear power plants.
        Quote: vaf
        4. Taskaev flew freely on the 31 to the North Pius.

        Sergey, well, why should everything rest in IA and IA air defense? And to create an advanced WB with elements of a missile defense system at Kotelny, eh? To put the same locator like "Voronezh" and C-400 / 500 systems, huh? A runway is already needed for the normal maintenance and operation of the WB, year-round, regardless of the state of the ice cover on the Laptev and East Siberian seas.
        Guys who know, and what kind of base of the Navy (it seems) was at the mouth of the Lena, in the Bykovskaya channel ?? It was closed to swimming during the USSR, even civilian cards weren’t even there, although the depths were in it ... Admiral Kuznetsov AB can be started without straining.
        hi
        1. gispanec
          gispanec 16 September 2013 22: 49 New
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          Quote: old man54
          Guys, who knows, and what kind of base of the Navy (it seems) was located at the mouth of the Lena, in the Bykovskaya channel ??

          )) ... the village there + seems to have been interceptors, but not sure .... were near Bykovsky often, but on fishing ..
          1. old man54
            old man54 17 September 2013 02: 56 New
            +1
            Quote: gispanec
            + there were like interceptors, but not sure ...

            interceptors previously in Tiksi were, as far as I know and saw myself. This is still under the USSR and a little later, then unknowing. But where does the interceptor and the prohibition of nano-navigation in the deepest channel of the Lena Delta ?? There is something else ...
            Quote: gispanec
            were near Bykovsky often, but fishing ..

            Well, I, too, have been with this duct many times, but I haven’t entered it. request
            1. gispanec
              gispanec 17 September 2013 08: 10 New
              0
              Quote: old man54
              interceptors previously in Tiksi were, as far as I know and saw myself. This is still under the USSR and a little later, then unknowing. But where does the interceptor and the prohibition of nano-navigation in the deepest channel of the Lena Delta ?? There is something else ...

              I know for sure that there was a tundra airfield near Bykovsky and that there were interceptors in (hills or hangars) ..... I personally observed their flights towards Alaska to intercept ... well, as for the ban on navigation ..... hmm I doubt that there was a Soviet secret base of the Navy .... maybe everything is more prosaic ...... to us along the Lena constantly (through open) water rafts (a tree for construction) went in a continuous stream .... a lot was destroyed and turned into firewood .... in Bykovsky there was also a sawmill ....
        2. VAF
          VAF 17 September 2013 12: 17 New
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          Quote: old man54
          well, nearby, not nearby Tiksi (which, incidentally, was also closed as a military AB, by the way), but is it not enough on the map to this runway at Kotelny from 400/450 km from Tiksi?

          Andrey, welcome! drinks
          I will try in order 9 according to your comment):

          1. Tiksi as PSA no one closed soldier All the same, joint basing and in the plans for BP so it costs as ... bully

          2. For strategists 400-450 km..this..mizer! soldier

          Now about the card that we open wink Did Pevek and Anadyr forget? wink
          And what does it mean ... come .. place BMPKRK and that's it .... shoots right down to Alaska, not to mention the Bering Strait.

          And anyway .. the introduction of "sea battle" in ice conditions ????? wassat

          Quote: old man54
          Well, why should everything rest in IA and IA air defense?


          Because the range of aviation .. much further than any air defense and missile defense soldier
          Although I do not dispute their merits and opportunities, we simply do not have strategically important objects for extinction. to "rocket missile" across the North Pole wassat

          I can’t say anything about wiring and your personal trips drinks but when posting Kitayoz on the traverse of Cape Billing, our ice pilots and the East Siberian Sea were already “put” to them ... all over the ice. and to the Novosibirsk Islands more "spank and spank!" wink

          1. old man54
            old man54 17 September 2013 16: 52 New
            +3
            Quote: vaf
            1. Tiksi as PSA no one closed

            No, Sergei, they even closed it, DGG wasn’t there, they didn’t want to spend money on repairs, and Smerdyukov was not going to allocate (is it understandable, why should he?). This was even written about here in one of the articles. You see below even the order itself brought about the new discovery of AB Tiksi. If they didn’t close it, then why the order to open? wink
            Quote: vaf
            2. For strategists 400-450 km..this..mizer!

            for strategists of course! And for IA and IBA? To control the basins of the Laptev and East Siberian seas, especially northern, polar regions. In case of exacerbation, it is possible to place aircraft on it, including helicopters of coastal-based PLO? And in general, if we want to control the NSR, then we need a network of airfields, not 1 or 2 on 4 tkm!
            Now about the card that we open And Pevek and Anadyr forgot?

            yes, I forgot, I repent repeat
            And anyway .. the introduction of "sea battle" in ice conditions ????

            Well, I wrote, there is at least 4 of a month of "pure water", well, at least 15 years ago it was like that. The ice is much further north, beyond the Novosibirsk islands.
            Although I do not dispute their merits and opportunities, we simply do not have strategically important objects for extinction. to "rocket missile" across the North Pole

            missiles will be "fired" across the pole across mainland Russia, in Siberia and the Urals in particular, + B-52 and B-1 will climb all sorts, most likely through the pole again, so ...

          2. old man54
            old man54 17 September 2013 17: 10 New
            +2
            Quote: vaf
            but when posting Kitayoz on the traverse of Cape Billing, our ice pilots and the East Siberian Sea were already “put” to them ... all over the ice. and to the Novosibirsk Islands more "spank and spank!"

            strange, I don’t remember this before ... But I was there a long time ago, in my youth, more than 15 years ago, in September, ice did not appear yet, especially at the beginning of the month. By October, yes, the field begins to fall in the north, it breaks off the ice and starts to drive them in clear water, which is even more dangerous and worse. Apparently everything is changing a lot, Sergey, here in Novosibirsk, it’s been so cold for a week now, during the day + 5 / 7С, although September is usually quite warm. These mountain weather forecasters promise snow by the end of the month. I don’t remember something like that either. The climate is changing, you, as an aviator, should be well aware of this. So, maybe in the East Siberian Sea and the Berengovoye, winter also came a month earlier. request
      3. gispanec
        gispanec 16 September 2013 22: 36 New
        +3
        Quote: vaf
        What the fuck base of strategists. if near Tiksi

        and what Tiksi ?? Tiksi-3 airfield also doesn’t function anymore, and why is Tiksi better than the Novosibirsk Islands? ...... only because there are no white and fluffy bears ... the military base is also ruined ... there are no one besides bastards .. .... three years there - like three days !!
        1. VAF
          VAF 17 September 2013 12: 32 New
          +1
          Quote: gispanec
          and what Tiksi ??


          Since April 16, 2013, by order of the Commander of Long-Range Aviation, Lieutenant General Anatoly Zhikharev, the Tiksi Polar Airport has been opened for receiving state-owned aircraft. soldier

          In accordance with the earlier decision of the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, Army General Sergei Shoigu, an air commandant's office was formed at the Tiksi airfield, which is currently fully equipped with specialists and equipment to support flights of state aviation aircraft equipped with appropriate equipment compatible with ground landing equipment of the Russian Ministry of Defense. soldier


          Tiksi Class 1 airfield is capable of receiving most types of aircraft (with a maximum take-off weight of up to 260 tons).
          The length of the runway is 3000 m, the width is 60 meters, the reinforced concrete coating is 24-44 cm thick, reinforced with armoires with 30x30 cm cells.
          The dimensions of monolithic reinforced concrete slabs of the main coating are 7x7 meters. Artificial runway built in 1958.
          In 1964 additional taxiways were built, and in 1975 expansion was carried out.
          In 1986-1995, the reconstruction of the airfield was carried out, which was significantly delayed as a result of underfunding.

          Quote: gispanec
          airfield Tiksi-3


          Maybe confused with Tiksi-West wink ?
          In winter (starting from the moment of formation of a stable snow cover, that is, the beginning of October), the forces of the "tundra company" (from the Tiksi OBATO OGA) rolled out the reserve snow "tundra" Tiksi-Zapadny airfield.
          By December, this runway could receive and “release” strategic missile carriers. soldier
          1. gispanec
            gispanec 17 September 2013 15: 51 New
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            Quote: vaf
            Maybe confused with Tiksi-West

            no, I don’t confuse .... Tiksi1-port + civil authorities + FSB
            Tiksi2-local indigenous population .. Tiksi3-military airdrome (accepts civilian aircraft) + a support battalion and all military support ... and there were 2 tundra airfields in TIKSI 100 .... + somewhere there were interceptors near Bykovsky .... although there is no XNUMX% certainty
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    7. discard
      discard 22 September 2013 19: 15 New
      -1
      It will be a bone in the throat for Russia: To protect it is not known what is unknown from whom.
      With the same success, you can create a military base in Antarctica and say that we are defending something.
      It seems that we have nowhere to give money.
  2. Volkhov
    Volkhov 16 September 2013 07: 45 New
    +1
    First, Kotelny chose someone else, and not the western outskirts, but the Gödelstrom Bay - a closed fiord with a huge area, and only then did military officials show interest.
    1. old man54
      old man54 16 September 2013 20: 46 New
      +5
      Quote: Volkhov
      First, Kotelny chose someone else, and not the western outskirts, but the Gödelstrom Bay - a closed fiord with a huge area, and only then did military officials show interest.

      Yes, at first glance on a map, the Gödelstroma Bay looks very tempting! But ... he has a very narrow neck of access to the sea, which is good in principle, but not for the Arctic seas of these latitudes. While the ice itself is parting in this bay, how much time will pass in the spring, huh? And with more open winds and currents, the Gulf of Stakhanovites is freed from broken ice much faster and earlier. hi
      1. Volkhov
        Volkhov 17 September 2013 01: 03 New
        +2
        There is a submarine base, they need ice - like the Ross Glacier in the Antarctic, only better - a narrow throat torpedo will not pass.
        And Stakhanovtsev Bay is a bare beach, 1300 years ago there was an explosion of a comet over Franz Josef Land, tsunamis washed gravel spits in the bays, one of them now has an airfield and tents.
        1. old man54
          old man54 17 September 2013 02: 50 New
          +3
          Quote: Volkhov
          There is a submarine base, they need ice - like the Ross Glacier in the Antarctic, only better - a narrow throat torpedo will not pass.

          In the Gödelstrom Bay, the base of the submarine ??????? And what, if not secret? And when the ice in the Laptev Sea rises, where do the boats go ?? If there is a boat base there, then the infrastructure and the runway should be, love! Then why all this fuss in the Gulf of Stakhanovtsev ?? Maybe you joked like that, colleague? wink
          1. Volkhov
            Volkhov 17 September 2013 18: 56 New
            +1
            The boats are alien, painted dark green (paint remains during collisions), they fly there without a runway, and there is infrastructure, of course.
            Therefore, the last time a helicopter was lost, and this time a cruiser. An aeroclub is being built in Stakhanovtsy Bay, you can still measure the temperature, but you can’t carry missiles.
        2. gispanec
          gispanec 17 September 2013 08: 23 New
          0
          Quote: Volkhov
          And Stakhanovtsev Bay is a bare beach, 1300 years ago there was an explosion of a comet over Franz Josef Land, tsunamis washed gravel spits in the bays, one of them now has an airfield and tents.

          wow ... what comet? .... the glacier was ... crawling ... real moraine deposits ....
          1. Volkhov
            Volkhov 17 September 2013 18: 48 New
            0
            The comet is large, one of those that are symbolically shown in the icon "Theotokos Seven-shot" and menorah. The tsunami in the north collects ice from a large area and the effect of the glacier is present, only very fast.
      2. gispanec
        gispanec 17 September 2013 08: 22 New
        0
        Quote: old man54
        While the ice itself is melting in this bay, how much time will pass in the spring, huh?

        in the bays in the North .... almost always small icebreakers work .... otherwise it may not melt !!))
  3. Ivan79
    Ivan79 16 September 2013 07: 46 New
    +7
    The news is great. Yesterday in the news the plot was shown. In addition to the arrangement of the runway, order will be put in place on the island, as hundreds of barrels of fuel and other scrap metal are scattered in abundance around the island.
  4. Strashila
    Strashila 16 September 2013 07: 53 New
    0
    "Today, the archipelago, which is part of the Republic of Sakha (Yakutia), is an integral part of the Ust-Lensky nature reserve" ... so there is nothing to do under the law, what base ... what presence ... utter nonsense. I don’t understand Father Dixon why they didn’t please ... there was experience of its operation as a military base, albeit during the Second World War, but the fact itself was more reasonable then.
    1. Bort radist
      Bort radist 16 September 2013 08: 32 New
      10
      Quote: Strashila
      Today, the archipelago, which is part of the Republic of Sakha (Yakutia), is an integral part of the Ust-Lensky reserve "...

      In modern reserves, and even more so in PROTECTED areas, no one protects anything, but for the most part they sell it, encouraging poaching and illegal extraction of everything you want. Here the troops will come and many will have to get out of the guard territory.
    2. VAF
      VAF 16 September 2013 16: 07 New
      0
      Quote: Strashila
      what base ... what presence ... complete nonsense. I don’t understand Father Dixon what pleased them ... there was experience of its operation as a military base, albeit during the Second World War, but the fact itself, then there were more reasonable people.


      Well, thank God ... there are HELLO people on the forum! +! drinks
  5. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 16 September 2013 07: 59 New
    +7
    Quote: svp67
    this base will generally become a real "bone in the throat" for all "lovers" of the Arctic territories,

    Looking at the map, there is no doubt about it:
    1. Andrey57
      Andrey57 16 September 2013 11: 25 New
      +7
      And besides the Novosibirsk islands, the base is also being built on Franz Josef Land, then there will already be two bones in the throat)))
      1. VAF
        VAF 16 September 2013 16: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: Andrey57
        and on Franz Josef Land


        Graham Bell has been there already ... since the time of "King Peas" ... the Kilpovskys constantly flew.

        And Rogachevo "functioned"!

        Who is interested in "it's all" .. "poheril", huh? wassat
        1. old man54
          old man54 16 September 2013 20: 49 New
          +4
          Quote: vaf
          Who is interested in "it's all" .. "poheril", huh?

          no, not just the GDP, what are you, he’s a statesman, but he’s unlucky with ministers! lol
    2. VAF
      VAF 16 September 2013 16: 09 New
      -1
      Quote: Valery Neon
      Looking at the map, there is no doubt about it:


      If as a "joke" of the quoted phrase, then only +!

      After all, even a blind man will see. looking at the map that these Islands ... well, no one needs Nazran except us!
  6. Anatole Klim
    Anatole Klim 16 September 2013 08: 02 New
    +2
    The Northern Sea Route is a strategic sea route, it must be tightly controlled, otherwise it will turn into a passage yard that I want to carry, how I want to sail.
    1. VAF
      VAF 16 September 2013 17: 02 New
      0
      Quote: Anatole Klim
      otherwise it will turn into a passage yard that I want to drive, as I want to swim.


      Announce the list, at least approximate, WHO will be able at the moment, and indeed ... in the foreseeable future from the "adversaries" to poke through the Northern Sea Route? lol
      1. Anatole Klim
        Anatole Klim 16 September 2013 20: 02 New
        +6
        In accordance with Chinese long-term forecasts, by 2020, from 5 to 15% of Chinese foreign trade freight traffic will go along the Northern Sea Route (while 10% of Chinese foreign trade turnover will correspond to 526 billion euros). This means that in seven years, China plans to ship almost every sixth ton of export cargo along the Northern Sea Route — moreover, Chinese and not Russian icebreakers will provide navigation.
        Meanwhile, statistics show that the popularity of the Northern Sea Route is growing. In 2012, 46 vessels passed through it - against 34 in 2011 and only four in 2010. According to Rosmorrechflot, about 2012 million tons of cargo were transported on the Northern Sea Route in 4, including 1,2 million tons of transit cargo, which is 53% more than in 2011 (820,8 thousand tons). In 2013, an increase in transit traffic of 5-6% is expected. http://www.newsru.com/finance/19mar2013/sevmor.html
        1. VAF
          VAF 17 September 2013 12: 40 New
          0
          Quote: Anatole Klim
          5 to 15% of Chinese foreign trade freight traffic will go along the Northern Sea Route


          So we seem to be discussing the military aspect of building a military base on the Novosibirsk islands, rather than the "trade caravan route".
          And the second is like in our waters .. and the Chinese icebreakers? belay
          1. Bronis
            Bronis 17 September 2013 14: 19 New
            +2
            Quote: vaf
            And the second is like in our waters .. and the Chinese icebreakers?

            They have been ordered to enter the internal sea waters by the Convention on the Law of the Sea. And in the exclusive economic zone, if desired, problems can be created if desired. You never mind, maybe fuel oil is drained for the purpose of ecocide ... laughing It's just that the media somehow began to convince that right after a year or two, the North Pole will melt ...
            In fact, if Russia can organize a commercial system for posting along the Northern Sea Route, then this is good. This is not the easiest way, and the coast is all Russian. It turns out a kind of Suez, although not a channel.
            It would be better if we were seriously taken care of by other Chinese - emigrants, who are already moving entire villages and growing it is not clear what, and then they sell it to us
            1. old man54
              old man54 17 September 2013 17: 29 New
              +1
              Quote: Bronis
              They have been ordered to enter the internal sea waters by the Convention on the Law of the Sea.

              You probably don’t know that after the collapse of the USSR, further Russian statesmen refused the concept that in the Arctic we have exclusive rights to the maritime zone and recognized the actions of international maritime law in this territory. And under the USSR, the state border ran along the meridian north of Beregov Prospect and from the state border with Norway on the Kola Peninsula. Now it is international water and anyone can go there, except for the 12 mile zone along the coast, which again is not a serious problem for civilian NKs (only for the military). Therefore, the ALCs of China will be able to use there themselves if they have enough experience of course, and everything else, neither of which we will not tell them. The straits there - yes, but it’s not like ice to close them, we also freely go through the Danish straits, and through the “Turkish straits” (Bosphorus and Dardanelles) and through a number of other straits and do not pay for their passage. hi
              1. Bronis
                Bronis 17 September 2013 21: 14 New
                +1
                On the one hand, this is partly true, but on the other, not quite.
                That memorable 82 Convention of the year allows (to a certain extent and in cases) the extension of the jurisdiction of the state and the exclusive economic zone, for example, for the protection of the marine environment (for the same MARPOL). For the commercial line, constant searches, bureaucracy and other “joys” are downtime and loss of profit. The question here is only on the political plane, not the legal one.
                In fact, even if we had not joined the convention, that would have changed little. The actual situation is such that to ensure sovereign right to the "Soviet" water area, de facto, we will not be able (politically and technically). What is stopping us from denouncing now? Look ...
                And it is also better for China to come to an agreement on this issue, rather than enter into an open conflict. Moreover, the active use of this route is only theoretical.
                What is really important is the shelf, but it is not directly related to the issue of the Northern Sea Route. It is in our interests to “load” the path. Sovereign rights to the shelf is task No. 1. hi
                I repeat, the problem in both cases is more political than legal.
          2. old man54
            old man54 17 September 2013 17: 17 New
            +1
            Quote: vaf
            And the second is like in our waters .. and the Chinese icebreakers?

            and who actually bans them ?? The government of the liberals-3,14dorasts recognized that international maritime law is in force in the Arctic and that now the entire Arctic has international waters (with the exception of 12 miles of territorial waters) and swimming is open to all. hi
  7. Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 16 September 2013 08: 08 New
    +6
    Another Serdyukov initiative is ruined.
  8. Yoshkin Kot
    Yoshkin Kot 16 September 2013 09: 38 New
    +9
    Good news! Extra evidence that another devastation is over!
  9. IRBIS
    IRBIS 16 September 2013 09: 39 New
    17
    This article is intended for those who a week ago were indignant that the ships went "somewhere wrong." For you need to have patience and brains to understand the scale of Russian politics. And if for some reason such a military-industrial complex got into the Arctic, then it should be so, and not "Putin surrendered Syria."
    And the revival of this base and the construction of an airfield there, even in comparison with the events in Syria, is of such great importance for Russia that soon we will hear the cries and lamentations of our Western "partners" about the harsh actions of Russians in the Arctic.
    1. KOH
      KOH 16 September 2013 10: 31 New
      +2
      As someone asked, Why did the ships go the wrong way, I say, closer to America ... wink
    2. VAF
      VAF 16 September 2013 16: 31 New
      +1
      Quote: IRBIS
      And the revival of this base and the construction of an airfield there, even in comparison with the events in Syria, is of such great importance for Russia,


      Sasha, dear, look at the map !!!!!

      It is clear that Rogachevo is necessary and Graham Bell is necessary. but here it is .. NAFIGA belay who will stick there ???? request
      1. Volkhov
        Volkhov 16 September 2013 16: 56 New
        +1
        There is a foreign base, but the flying club is not dangerous for it. Under Stalin, they dragged the road to that area, built the battleships "Stalingrad", made the IL-28 in the amount of 12 - with such forces and with a smaller technical gap, it was possible to try and the point was, but now it’s pointless, the Indians on machine guns are harmful only to the Indians themselves .
        1. uhu189
          uhu189 17 September 2013 17: 43 New
          0
          Are you by any chance not the stories about the Nazis secret base on Kotelny Island mean? And about the comet? I hope you are not serious?
          1. Volkhov
            Volkhov 17 September 2013 19: 55 New
            0
            Tales in Agitprop, in reality nuclear torpedoes and a technical gap of 70 years.
            1. uhu189
              uhu189 17 September 2013 20: 36 New
              0
              I see ... it's sad. There is nothing there, neither in Kotelny, nor in Antarctica, there are no Venusians, there are no more advanced Nazis, and the last Nazi submarines landed ashore in Patagonia, they were all found, you can find the full list of submarines and their fate in literature and in the internet. .. Although I think you can’t convince anyone of this. Okay, sorry for the obsession
      2. IRBIS
        IRBIS 16 September 2013 17: 03 New
        11
        Quote: vaf
        who will stick there ????

        Sergey, I think that the Northern Sea Route will soon attract the attention of our current "partners." In addition, there are more and more applicants for the Arctic. And now we can only guess what problems may arise if we do not begin to restore the positions lost there. I do not think that at the top such a decision was made just like that.
        1. VAF
          VAF 16 September 2013 17: 29 New
          +4
          Quote: IRBIS
          that the Northern Sea Route will soon attract the attention of our current "partners"


          Sasha, +! drinks But .... in order for them to be "attracted" by the NSR without our participation, then for this we must first destroy Russia!

          The article is utter nonsense, in terms of deploying a military base there, especially for basing strategic aviation (as some forum users dream of).
          We have Tiksi ... everything has been checked and debugged, the runway has been repaired and that’s it (all logistics and infrastructure are in place).



          The islands are located in the center of the NSR, who the hell will swim there.
          Here to create a base on Rybachem, and recreate Rogachevo and Goreem Bell yes .. from there and the adversary can foolishly trample, and the shelf is there.
          And here .. through the North Pole rush on foot belay

          Maybe what a holiday yesterday was that the people ... were "noted"? wassat
          1. IRBIS
            IRBIS 16 September 2013 17: 58 New
            +3
            Quote: vaf
            Maybe what a holiday yesterday was that the people ... were "noted"?

            I’m not in the subject, the weekend passed without excesses.
            Quote: vaf
            The article is utter nonsense, in terms of deploying a military base there, especially for basing strategic aviation (as some forum users dream of).

            I absolutely agree with this, Sergey!
            But it’s necessary to restore some infrastructure there.
            Quote: vaf
            Here to create a base on Rybachem, and recreate Rogachevo and Goreem Bell yes .. from there and the adversary can foolishly trample, and the shelf is there.

            I really hope that the turn will reach them.
            Quote: vaf
            The islands are located in the center of the NSR, who the hell will swim there.

            But now there’s nothing at all. And horseradish is already starting to swim. So far, only Chinese.
            Honestly, I have never been deeply interested in the issue of NSR - ice and ice. I only know that during the “democratic” frenzy almost all Arctic programs were curtailed, and this is fraught.
            1. VAF
              VAF 16 September 2013 18: 12 New
              +6
              Quote: IRBIS
              But now there’s nothing at all. And horseradish is already starting to swim. So far, only Chinese.


              Sasha, I agree .. all meteo and geophysics need to be restored, but no more.
              As for the start to swim .... already koment laid out who like what .. without us they .. no!

              And now on the topic, that is not there and in the wrong place.
              Just the article is about the surrender of Vikra .. and everything would be fine, but after all .. they don’t voice the "devil" what happened .. but it was ... "interesting" wassat especially in the light of the recent cries and exclamations about the power of our aircraft and the weakness of the amers ... this is me about the Kiti-Hawk flight ... when we amers dipped (sort of like) the most I can.
              And now ... back ... I would like to listen and see the comments fellow -patriots.

              So, on the afternoon of August 21, 2013, MiG test pilot Andrei Shishov completed the take-off and landing of the MiG-29K with the customer’s typical combat load.
              At the request of the Indian side, the pilot hooked onto the first (closest to the stern) aerofinisher cable.
              Take-off time - 14:35 Moscow time, landing - 15:40 Moscow time.
              The rather long stay of the aircraft in the air is explained by the need to perform a difficult flight task as part of the test of the ship and its aircraft weapons.
              Well, it seems, and yuryayaya fellow, but belay

              Shortly before Shishov’s take-off, at a distance of less than 100 meters from the aircraft carrier, following a parallel course at an altitude of about 50 meters, a base marine patrol aircraft of the P-3 Orion type, flight number 3298 of the Norwegian Armed Forces, with the inscription “Viking” flew over.



              Well, then it’s not interesting, they reported to Monchegorsk, with the DE, the MiG-31 took off to intercept, came ........

              But if, as I wrote, Rogachevo and Graham Bell would be engaged, then .. "this would not have happened" soldier

              Therefore, I said and said ... "Urya-article" full profoning !!!! soldier Now it’s not in the trend to cut the loot ... they will bury it in the snow lol in permafrost wassat It will last longer! fellow
      3. old man54
        old man54 16 September 2013 20: 54 New
        +2
        Quote: vaf
        It is clear that Rogachevo is necessary and Graham Bell is necessary.

        Well, I’m broke with Grem-Bell, but where is Rogachevo, Sergey? Enlighten
        1. VAF
          VAF 17 September 2013 12: 48 New
          +2
          Quote: old man54
          but where is Rogachevo,


          New Earth Archipelago ... "goose land" wassat

          AB Rogachevo (Amderma-2)





          1. old man54
            old man54 17 September 2013 16: 34 New
            +2
            Sergey, thanks for the pictures! drinks (although I do not drink).
            Grim Bell Island and found the base of the same name with him yesterday on the map, as part of the Fratz Joseph Land archipelago, in its northeastern part. My opinion on this base: it is imprisoned to cover from a strike through the pole or vice versa to organize a strike there, to accompany IA strategists. It is far from there to the NSR, especially when you consider that they go exclusively through the Kara Gate. Here Rogachevo is just under the Kara Gate and sharpened!
  10. Ulysses
    Ulysses 16 September 2013 09: 39 New
    +4
    The battle for the natural resources of the Arctic is expected to be serious.
    Excess dv in that area will definitely not hurt.
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  12. Natalia
    Natalia 16 September 2013 09: 51 New
    26
    Maybe not the topic, but I can not help but admire and not share my impressions ....
    Agree handsome
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 16 September 2013 23: 26 New
      +1
      Quote: Natalia
      Agree handsome

      Yes, he is beautiful, like all icebreakers of Soviet and Russian construction. And the plans include the creation of even more modern ships.
      And probably it would be logical to create BATTLE ICE-BOAT SHIPS capable of independently making their way in the ice of the Arctic.
      Wishing to "chunk" of Russia in the North every year increases ...
  13. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 16 September 2013 09: 53 New
    +9
    The Arctic is the second Siberia for Russia. You need to hold it. There are many who want to grab it from us ..
  14. deman73
    deman73 16 September 2013 10: 00 New
    +3
    Well done keep it up
  15. darksoul
    darksoul 16 September 2013 10: 04 New
    +5
    It is necessary to equip the base there faster, the Chinese merchant ship has already passed and in the near future the Japanese and Koreans want ... the question is, can we take money for this? make money along the way? or is earnings limited to escorting ships by icebreakers? It is necessary to settle down on the northern path .... finally, in my opinion, it dawned on the highest echelons of power ... that the north-east is our pantry and it needs to be occupied, otherwise others will be engaged in it
    1. VAF
      VAF 16 September 2013 17: 08 New
      +4
      Quote: darksoul
      the Chinese merchant ship has already passed and in the near future the Japanese and Koreans want.


      No, well, for sure .... apparently Sunday was a success drinks if such .... write belay

      Who went where? belay They held the Chinese by the hand. By the way, the first "commerce" in the history of the NSR!



      Quote: darksoul
      the question is we can take money for it? make money along the way? or is earnings limited to escorting ships by icebreakers?


      Naturally, not without charge!

      1. old man54
        old man54 16 September 2013 21: 07 New
        +3
        Quote: vaf
        They held the Chinese by the hand. By the way, the first "commerce" in the history of the NSR!

        oh and narrow-eyed, I think very much! In such an environment they didn’t go when, but here the ice was around. laughing
        1. Ka-52
          Ka-52 17 September 2013 12: 07 New
          +2
          Laughter laughs, but the water wears away the stone. Have you worked with the Chinese? They are afraid of it now, but if there is an opportunity to earn money, and there will be a profit, they will go by the jamb, you can have no doubt. So far it has been a test ball. wink With thousands of years of competition within China, where for every place on the market you have to fight and prove that it is your service or product that is better, it develops such perseverance and grasp that hold on. Wait and see ... hi
          1. old man54
            old man54 17 September 2013 16: 37 New
            +1
            Quote: Ka-52
            Laughter laughs, but the water wears away the stone. Have you worked with the Chinese? They are afraid of it now, but if there is an opportunity to earn money, and there will be a profit, they will go by the side, you can have no doubt

            Yes, I laugh so much, although I cannot completely close the NSR in the current political situation, and this country’s leadership will fail, the wrong people are sitting in the Kremlin! And with narrow-eyed, of course, keep your ears open!
  16. Grbear
    Grbear 16 September 2013 10: 17 New
    +9
    This is geopolitics!

    From Moscow to the outskirts,
    From the southern mountains to the northern seas!
    Our man comes as the OWNER ...

    And God forbid that it was in the mind.
  17. little man
    little man 16 September 2013 10: 37 New
    +1
    earthquake epicenters
    Is that all? If only some assumptions, ideas ... No, not a very article.
  18. Memorandum
    Memorandum 16 September 2013 10: 45 New
    +1
    You give unsinkable aircraft carriers! Like any real estate only "grow in price", in contrast to the "movability" ...
  19. repytw
    repytw 16 September 2013 10: 49 New
    +8
    In addition to take-off, scientists must also send scientists there, set up border guards, the fleet’s MTO base, you’ll look, and the village has already grown, which will help to provide submarines that float under ice, and the Northern Fleet, if necessary, can double the Pacific, China and The USA will be combed. The Northern Sea Route must be mastered so that our exploration of the Arctic would be cost-effective, even if foreign ships pay for the wiring and with obligatory call to the northern ports (Anadyr, Temp (need a port), Dikson, etc.), even under the threat of warships ( the reason can be thought up, from spyware to environmental), so that money would be left in the ports, the crews would relax, they would feel who the boss was and get used to it.
  20. Commander
    Commander 16 September 2013 11: 05 New
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    Great news!!! Especially for me !!! In this advanced group is my son !!! I will wait for him and follow the news. And the very idea of ​​forming a part there is beautiful, the closer to the amers, the more they are afraid of us !!! We must also revive Cuba !!! Then there will be a complete set !!
    1. VAF
      VAF 16 September 2013 17: 17 New
      +2
      Quote: Commander
      And the very idea of ​​forming a part there is beautiful, the closer to the amers, the more they are afraid of us !!!


      Which part belay ??? What does Tixi not like?



      "Loot" nowhere to go? wassat
      1. Bort radist
        Bort radist 17 September 2013 09: 11 New
        +1
        Quote: vaf
        What part of belay ??? What does Tiksi not like?

        Good day, Sergey! From the point of view of “the first thing airplanes” you are right, but I think the basis is being created for further advancement, and before that, not only was the earthquake watched there. And then I remembered how one captain in the heat of the day shouted that you did not see how the TU-16, when landing under ice with the crew, left (he left the flight service, he was taken out). He remembered the Matochkin ball. What they dumped in I know, but here where they constantly sat on the ice. Are you up to date?
  21. Nayhas
    Nayhas 16 September 2013 11: 05 New
    +4
    The Arctic Circle is longing, cold, hopelessness and alcoholism, the New Siberian Islands are probably the same in Cuba ...
    1. Genry
      Genry 16 September 2013 13: 06 New
      +9
      If there is nothing to do, then yes. But if there is work, then what difference does the Arctic Circle - not the Arctic Circle.
      Loafers won't go there. And he is a drunk in Africa and a drunk.
    2. little man
      little man 16 September 2013 14: 40 New
      +2
      First I read - the same as in Cuba laughing
  22. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 16 September 2013 11: 09 New
    12
    In order to assess the strategic importance of the Novosibirsk Islands, just look at the map of the Arctic Ocean basin. This archipelago is a continuation of the continental shelf. Novosibirsk islands were once part of the continent. They are located in the Northern Sea Route area of ​​the strategic sea route from Europe to the Far East. The Novosibirsk Islands archipelago is the eastern tip of the arc: Svalbard Islands - France-Joseph Land - Northern Land - Novosibirsk Islands. Given forecasts of the presence of huge hydrocarbon reserves in the Arctic basin, the Novosibirsk Islands are becoming a kind of basis for the development of these minerals. This archipelago is of great importance in the military-political sense.
  23. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 16 September 2013 11: 39 New
    11
    It is clear that military infrastructure is not only the location of troops, training places, places of concentration, roads, airfields, naval bases, supply bases, weapons depots, a communications and intelligence network, but also a huge network of cunning, little-known, but extremely important objects, be it meteorology, be it seismology, be it topography or more. etc. As they develop, the armed forces develop and become much more efficient, and not the other way around.
    GOOD LUCK!
    Have a good week! And all the best, friends! smile hi
    1. Valery Neonov
      Valery Neonov 16 September 2013 12: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: Peaceful military
      but extremely important objects,

      What was forgotten, abandoned in times I don’t want to.As a layman, I hope that the Arctic will really be ours, Russian as it should be.
  24. pahom54
    pahom54 16 September 2013 11: 52 New
    +7
    Such news is only encouraging. Let at least for the first time they indicate their presence - and not a single state will just climb into these areas, as this is fraught with negative consequences. Yes, it is difficult for our economy now, but it’s better to tighten our belts, but don’t give up our thief. The Arctic is an immeasurable raw material resource, and it is not necessary to let strangers go there. May God give you health and GDP, and Shoigu (how nice it is that after the LGBT person Taburetkin a normal guy became Minister of Defense !!!).
  25. Captain45
    Captain45 16 September 2013 12: 10 New
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    Quote: Nayhas
    The Arctic Circle is longing, cold, hopelessness and alcoholism, the New Siberian Islands are probably the same in Cuba ...

    You shouldn’t be so, dear. I live beyond the Arctic Circle, it’s cold sometimes, not without it, but if there is no interest in life, then melancholy, hopelessness and alcoholism will strangle you even in Sochi, even in the Maldives. And the news is excellent. It’s time to restore destroyed and build new in the Arctic. Before 90's, living here was in full swing and not just on the head. Dixon, Khatanga, Igarka, Dudinka in the ports were full of ships, airports were working at full capacity, the Khatanga airport took its lane back in 2003 year "Ruslan", he saw himself. Border posts along the coast were. Worked weather stations, p ognoz weather given every four hours, and now two times a day, geologists, geophysicists who just has not been, and is now one foreign tourists and which every second or third most likely spy.
    1. moremansf
      moremansf 16 September 2013 13: 07 New
      +9
      20 years beyond the Arctic Circle, neither anguish nor alkgolism have been tortured ... it all depends on the person ... It’s a pity that we first collapsed, and now we are creating again ... Our land is worth it and we are the owners !!!!!!! !!
      1. gunnerminer
        gunnerminer 16 September 2013 15: 36 New
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        20 years beyond the Arctic Circle, neither anguish nor alkgolism have been tortured ... it all depends on the person ... It’s a pity that we first collapsed, and now we are creating again ... Our land is worth it and we are the owners !!!!!!! !!



        Because the state did not provide you with permanent housing, for example, in the middle zone of the Russian Federation, even though you have served the due term according to the contract.
  26. aszzz888
    aszzz888 16 September 2013 12: 48 New
    +6
    [quote] "We came there, or rather, returned forever, because it is - the original Russian land." [quote]

    Yes to the Lord God in the ears !.
    It has long been "staked" capitally, forever
    And then they survived, the Chinese leaked on their "box" on the ice.
  27. Alekseev
    Alekseev 16 September 2013 13: 54 New
    +6
    The development of the northern islands is “crucial”, as the leader of the proletariat said, a matter.
    Among other things, useful for the state, these are unsinkable aircraft carriers of the Arctic Ocean!
    The SSBN patrol area, however ... Yes, and the Northern Sea Route is a strategic artery that should potentially be covered.
    With appropriate infrastructure equipment, Russia can, if necessary, deploy on its "northern facade" a full-fledged aviation group, including AWACS aircraft, air defense interceptors, and the Sea missile carrier, and fighters to gain air supremacy.
    At the same time, no aircraft carrier can compare with it in combat stability.
  28. Gur
    Gur 16 September 2013 14: 13 New
    +4
    A completely positive article, I’m already looking with interest in the news
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  30. Luga
    Luga 16 September 2013 15: 48 New
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    Remember the old joke about how two missiles met in the air and the Russian persuaded an American to fly to the states with her? Few people are aware that this hypothetical meeting would not have occurred over the Atlantic or the Pacific Ocean, but most likely over the Arctic. I remember in the middle of the 90's my friend flew to the states, most of all, her fourth-year student, an excellent student, was struck that she saw solid ice half way smile. I was more fortunate - I had a globe with a ruler at home, and when I was 10, I made a discovery that I decided to keep secret: through the North Pole, the states are shorter and if the Americans find out about it and launch rockets ... Homeland in the dangers smile.
    At the same time there were "Sannikov Land", "Isle of Calm", "Two Captains" ... And I understood why these people risked everything by going into this white silence. Then I found out about the shelf, and about hydrocarbons, and about huge biological resources.
    And yet, despite the enormous economic importance of developing the Arctic, I always had the thought that the Arctic is a huge gateway to Russia that needs to be controlled and protected.
    By the way, in my opinion, the only reason Admiral Kolchak can and should forever remain in the memory of posterity is precisely his Arctic studies, and not mediocre, in my opinion, leadership of the white movement and, especially, his cohabitation with Anna Timireva during to the wife.
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  32. SIBIR38RUS
    SIBIR38RUS 16 September 2013 15: 55 New
    +8
    I will say more! :) I live in the north of eastern Siberia myself .. Under the Soviet Union, there was a project to build the polar-Siberian railway! Connected with each other approximately (I don’t remember the route exactly) it began with the Urals, then Nizhnevartovsk, in the north of the Krasnoyarsk Territory, Evenkia and Irk. further Yakutia .. in short it was closed with a piece of iron in the Khabarovsk region :) Construction seems to be already underway :) I worked on a piece of iron, in the locomotive depot at the head personally I saw a map with a full route, tunnels and bridges across rivers :)
    1. jasper
      jasper 16 September 2013 18: 15 New
      +1
      God forbid, although there will be many working hands soon (migrants) laughing
    2. Setrac
      Setrac 16 September 2013 21: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: SIBIR38RUS
      further Nizhnevartovsk,

      Then right away through Tyumen, for a mad cow 100 miles is not a hook.
  33. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 16 September 2013 19: 30 New
    +1
    And also deploy an air defense point and a pair of Iskander disguised as snowmen to put ^ _ ^ Well done guys
  34. Michael_59
    Michael_59 16 September 2013 20: 15 New
    +3
    The base is needed, without question, primarily for:

    1) Control of the Arctic oil and gas shelf

    2) Control of the Northern Sea Route

    3) Airspace control and cover of the continental part of the territory of Russia from the US ICBM
  35. Michael_59
    Michael_59 16 September 2013 20: 24 New
    +1
    Quote: yasenpen
    God forbid, although there will be many working hands soon


    Nominations, the first stage - Gorbi, NanoBais, Perdyukov, Yakunin, Nemtsoff, etc., etc.
  36. Captain45
    Captain45 16 September 2013 20: 51 New
    +2
    Quote: gunnerminer
    In addition, container transportation is unlikely due to the formation of condensation in containers, for example with equipment, furniture. It is also with bulk goods that absorb moisture well. It is possible to transport metal structures, LPG, LNG. This amounts to a small amount of cargo transportation.

    You just didn’t see the container ship-atomic ship Sevmorput, how many containers he brought at a time to the Dudinsky Sea Port. And no one complained about any condensate, and that they just didn’t carry furniture, cars, equipment, food, etc., etc. other. It is a pity I did not find a photo of the Northern Sea Route, but there is a Taimyr, which participated in posting a detachment of ships of the Northern Fleet.
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 16 September 2013 21: 58 New
      +1
      You just didn’t see the Sevmorput container-carrier ship





      Dudinsky port was the port of discharge. He wrote about the cargoes in transit from Southeast Asia to Europe by the Northern Sea Route. The temperature difference at the loading port, the air temperature at the passage through the Northern Sea Route and the temperature at the discharge port, for example, in Immingham are different.
  37. Captain45
    Captain45 16 September 2013 21: 17 New
    +6
    Quote: SIBIR38RUS
    I will say more! :) I myself live in the north of eastern Siberia .. Under the Soviet Union, there was a project to build the polar-Siberian railway! Connected with each other approximately (I don’t remember the route exactly) it began with the Urals, then Nizhnevartovsk, in the north of the Krasnoyarsk Territory, Evenkia and Irk. further Yakutia .. in short, closed with a piece of iron in the Khabarovsk region :) Construction seems to be already going on :)

    It was construction No. 501 railway Salekhard-Igarka, after the death of I.V. Stalin the construction was abruptly turned off, which is a pity. It was an alternative to the Northern Sea Route, but by land, and now the Ural North-Ural Polar Corporation has developed a completion project, it remains kilometers of 200, in order to connect the sections, the project plans to start construction in the 2015 year. The embankment, the rails are all in place. If I’m not mistaken, there was a photo report from these places on the VO site in the summer. There are steam locomotives and arrows, even barracks for a particularly distinguished creative class. The case for small, give a coma Doo and barracks will be filled with rabsila. And you can collect it only in Moscow. They’ll quickly finish building, if they want to eat. now they are seeking international status for him. An Arctic rescue center has been opened in Dudinka, construction of a space station for emergency monitoring at the NSR is planned at 2015. And Taimyr? The entire periodic table is in the bowels. By the way, the Nornickel government is beginning to squeeze a little, otherwise the bourgeoisie has completely snickered. In general, it is gratifying to see that the North is quietly starting to come to life.
  38. stranik72
    stranik72 16 September 2013 21: 27 New
    +5
    I heard from one person when the EBN came to power, he signed a secret agreement with mattresses, which included several basic agreements such as: no attempts to recreate the USSR, seizure of gold mining, diamond, etc., rare-earth ore production, storage of gold and foreign exchange reserves in the USA, private (that is, Jewish) property in the banking sector and so on, as well as demilitarization, including the Arctic, and there seems to be a protocol that limits our military presence to a certain distance from our borders, maybe this a business. Well, GDP is sacredly honored, "family" treaties.
  39. malikszh
    malikszh 16 September 2013 21: 58 New
    +1
    there would put a radar to watch amerikosov
  40. I am
    I am 16 September 2013 22: 57 New
    +1
    Returned !!! And this is the main point !!! And to restore or, more precisely, to rebuild is a matter of time !!! The main thing is not to leave now, otherwise why come back .....
  41. michajlo
    michajlo 17 September 2013 00: 31 New
    +2
    Good evening everyone!

    The article about the return of the Russian fleet and Navy to the Arctic Ocean was very pleased! good It is nice to read notes from all of you who have served and worked there, I always prefer opinions from the participants of the event than high-sounding sayings from the rostrum.

    Yes, I agree, the living conditions (North) are not easy there, but if the state will in fact and not in words support the brave and dedicated people (after 15-20 years in the North, a guarantee or state assistance in obtaining housing, an apartment, a building plot with an interest-free loan in the middle zone of Russia), then I think there will be no shortage of personnel. Regarding melancholy and bruises in the North, I personally can’t say if I haven’t worked there yet. But I can say that you can sleep in the Crimea and Belgorod, it depends on the person and not on the environment, it only helps to quickly "fall into a glass."

    Oh, there would be more such good news and RESULTS good because I have not believed promises from above for a long time.
  42. VVooVVaa
    VVooVVaa 17 September 2013 05: 42 New
    +1
    Difficult ice conditions and this is September in the yard! And sho will be earth! UNDEFINED it is necessary to strengthen the icebreaking fleet.!
    Winter I think will be very harsh.
    1. mnbv199
      mnbv199 17 September 2013 15: 46 New
      +2
      Ice Map
  43. Admiral 013
    Admiral 013 17 September 2013 05: 59 New
    0
    It is high time! Our icebreaking fleet is generally the most developed in the Arctic. And such a huge strategically valuable territory needs to be monitored.
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  45. archi.sailor
    archi.sailor 17 September 2013 13: 02 New
    +2
    Quote: Nayhas
    The Arctic Circle is longing, cold, hopelessness and alcoholism, the New Siberian Islands are probably the same in Cuba ...
    I agree about the Arctic, with the exception of alcoholism. I have this personal opinion
  46. Captain45
    Captain45 17 September 2013 22: 59 New
    0
    Quote: archi.sailor
    I agree about the Arctic, with the exception of alcoholism. I have this personal opinion

    I apologize for the tactlessness, do you live in the Arctic? If so, then urgently leave for fun, warmth and hope and do not spoil the environmentally friendly environment of the Arctic. And if you do not live here, then do not trend about what you did not see.
  47. Teacher
    Teacher 17 September 2013 23: 43 New
    +1
    It will take ten years, and this will be the area of ​​busy shipping. A base on the archipelago is a must.
  48. shoemaker
    shoemaker 19 September 2013 08: 58 New
    0
    I very much agree with Captain 45. Walking in the Arctic, and even more so hard to live there. My friend sent a photo in front of the girl with the Kola, admire, however. I've been there, and the new land, and yet, the hell knows where.
    In general, it’s hard without women and vodka, and most importantly books.
  49. Alexan
    Alexan 23 September 2013 12: 16 New
    0
    There is no practical application from the base. The presence of the military in the Arctic is important. In the 70-80s, there were already air defense personnel at Kotelny. I think that even now rusty barrels will not be removed so much as they will be added new ones. Slaughter the rest of the deer. I saw how they did it from the "Kalash". But in general, I welcome the revival of civilization at Kotelny.