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And the Russians will come to replace migrant workers ...

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After Sergei Sobyanin’s victory in the mayoral elections (recall that Sobyanin won 51,37% of votes), the newly-formed mayor decided to mark the fight against illegal migration and the dominance of the so-called guest workers in Moscow. One of the stages of such a struggle should be to attract to the posts that today are occupied by visitors from the "sunny" republics, Russian citizens. According to representatives of the Moscow authorities, in order to reduce the number of foreign citizens who today literally flooded the Russian capital, it is necessary to take certain steps in the labor market. What are these steps? We will try to deal with this initiative in more detail.


And the Russians will come to replace migrant workers ...


So, in the election program of Sergei Sobyanin, there were items that said that after he was elected mayor, he would begin to carry out active actions in migration policy. The situation in which Moscow is almost a quarter of labor and non-labor migrants who arrived from various republics of the former USSR did not suit native Muscovites (today it is almost an “endangered species”) or other Russian citizens who, shall we say, the situation with dumping in the labor market and the massive entry into the country of illegal immigrants is not indifferent. Realizing that “the people demand action”, Sobyanin decided to start such actions immediately after entering the post.

These actions are as follows: it was decided to transfer the functions of maintenance of apartment buildings from existing management companies to the so-called RSL. The RSGBU is a regional state budgetary institution, which will now be engaged in the capital by hiring locksmiths, janitors, electricians, painters, and other service personnel. For all such RSLBs, a single name has already been chosen - “Zhilishnik”.

It turns out that now servicing work in Moscow will be controlled not by private traders, but by state structures. At the same time, according to the initiators of this innovation, such control must necessarily lead to the fact that the majority of the mentioned service positions are taken either by the Muscovites themselves or by the residents of the territories adjacent to Moscow and the region. To stimulate the flow of Russian (local) workers into the housing and utilities sector, the Moscow authorities decided to raise wages in this sector about two times. It is reported that if today the average salary of a janitor in the Russian capital is officially around 13 thousand rubles per month, then after a kind of reform it will be no less than 25 thousand rubles. The salary of the plumber will increase to 30 thousand per month. In the opinion of the heads of district administrations, this will contribute to the quote: “the replacement of foreign workers” by workers from Russia (Moscow, the Moscow region and the neighboring regions of the Moscow region). Today, such a project is already beginning to be implemented in Lyublino, Golyanovo, Dorogomilovo, Khoroshevo-Mnevniki and other districts of the capital.

The project, of course, seems reasonable at first glance, and to argue with the fact that foreign comrades who have shouldered their fragile shoulders in Moscow (and not only Moscow, by the way) are communal, but in combination also solve their narrowly specific problems in Russia. for what. But on the other hand, we all understand perfectly well that from saying any (albeit three times remarkable) initiative to its implementation, we often have a gulf. The abyss also appears in this case.

The fact is that the Moscow labor market (and in the most diverse areas, not only in the “communal”) has long been divided into spheres of influence. If someone is sure that these spheres of influence are purely state-owned, and at the same time have no relation to the criminal business, then it’s time to make up the naivete of such a person. After all, it would be strange to suppose that before the idea of ​​Sergei Sobyanin, Muscovites simply craved for representatives of the “fraternal peoples” to build, shallow, repair leaking taps and wash entrances in their city, and they were given such an opportunity ... Millions of migrant workers in The Russian capital was not at all profitable for Marivanna and Vanvanich from some Chertanovo or Altufyevo, but for other forces altogether. How? Yes, all the same, who settled Uzbek plumbers, Kyrgyz painters and Tajik janitors, along with their polynomial families, into houses set aside for demolition, basements and attics of high-rise buildings. All the same, to whom it was not profitable to work according to the “white” scheme, paying the wages to the employees, which is reflected in the statement. All those who used such a wonderful tool as the FMS at the moment when, excuse me, the “servants” began to rebel and demand the issuance, and then, oh, horror, wage increases.

Even if we assume that residents of the Ryazan, Orel or Vladimir regions will literally flood the capital in the housing and public utilities sector on 25-30 thousand rubles, even if we assume that they will be provided with comfortable housing that meets all sanitary standards (in particular, The new program of the Moscow authorities), then where is the guarantee that it will suit the above-mentioned stakeholders? After all, it’s for us and we are talking about the fact that citizens with a Russian passport in Russia should receive, as a matter of priority, both workplaces, housing and all social guarantees, but for someone it is generally the twentieth matter ... The first thing is the loss of “bubble ”, Which was excellently“ cut down ”and continues to be“ cut down ”on the same Uzbek, Tajik, Kyrgyz, Moldovan, Armenian, Azerbaijani and other migrant workers, many of whom are not consciously deduced from the status of illegal immigrants. Would a man who, on the brigade of foreign wipers alone, receive a “bonus” in the form of a tenfold excess of his salary income, want to lose such a feeding trough? Of course she won't. And if he does not want it himself, it means that the state structures should help him in this.

And here another question arises: how much is Sergei Sobyanin ready to really break that vicious and saturated with corruption rot system that exists in Moscow? How prepared are the heads of other regions to take the same bold step? After all, it’s not so much the migrant workers themselves, as it is in those who benefit from their mass scale in the Russian regions. In those who open such a road. And there are quite a few who are looking for profit.

But we must not forget that even with the hypothetical “replacement” of migrant workers by Russians in Moscow (and, possibly, other cities of the Russian Federation), the crowds of these same migrant workers are unlikely to board the trains and beat them to their home regions. And if they don’t want to leave, will it lead to a “riot on the ship”, to attempts to stake out a place under the Moscow sun? I do not want to believe it. But after all, the number of foreign workers we have already exceeds the limit (second place in the world after the United States), and if effective measures are not taken now, then sooner or later, the authorities will have to take into account the opinion of this mass, and we will also have to take them into account ... Of course, it is possible to deport ... Even a document regulating this process has been prepared, which states that for two offenses a migrant worker will be sent home. Already not bad. But only twenty-five again: will this mechanism work, or will everything again remain at the level of words, and the process itself will be lowered on corruption brakes. Well, maybe this time they will succeed ... In fact, we still believe in our football team ...
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  1. Bongo
    Bongo 16 September 2013 07: 35 New
    28
    Nothing will change, too much in the authorities interested in maintaining the "status".
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 16 September 2013 08: 58 New
      15
      Quote: Author Volodin Alexey
      the newly made mayor decided to designate the fight against illegal migration and the dominance of the so-called guest workers in Moscow.


      According to Russian tradition, the activity of candidates after the victory in the elections goes to zero. Before the election, they paint, erect, fight, after the victory they only reap its benefits.
      1. S-200
        S-200 16 September 2013 09: 39 New
        +8
        Quote: Vadivak
        According to Russian tradition, the activity of candidates after the election victory goes to zero

        It seems to me - on the contrary ...after victory they push the most unpopular changes in laws and regulations (by-laws)... remember DAM with zero per mille (for this it’s eternal ban from me in the election angry ) and so on.
        Sobyanin is now in Moscow fined parking fees ...
      2. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 16 September 2013 10: 26 New
        17
        Quote: Vadivak
        Before the election, they paint, erect, fight, after the victory they only reap its benefits.
    2. Civil
      Civil 16 September 2013 09: 03 New
      26
      None of these businessmen will raise payment
      1. They build poorly because they are not going to live in these houses.
      2. Poorly paid and not taken by the local population, because they are not going to live in THIS COUNTRY.
      1. afire
        afire 16 September 2013 09: 15 New
        +8
        Alexey Volodin ...
        all about everything ...
        It turns out that the portal consists of news and articles of 2-3 people, this is very few gentlemen admins, it is necessary to take a broader horizons, sometimes facts are drawn by the ears, if only to write in a better light and beautifully. Well, you can’t.
        article +
        1. Volodin
          16 September 2013 13: 27 New
          +1
          Dmitry, I will reveal a terrible secret to you: there are not millions of regular readers here either. Afire, hopefully one of them. Of those who are really ready to discuss problems and propose solutions. If “Military Review” will be financed, for example, as RT, “1 channel” or “Russia”, (yes, at least just to be financed), then, you see, we will have hundreds of journalists in different countries of the world. For now we work in that key in which we can afford.
          PS if that, you can directly contact the administrators. They probably missed your comment.
          1. georg737577
            georg737577 16 September 2013 13: 41 New
            +5
            God forbid in a nightmare to see that this site is funded by the government ...
            And become a slender number of the above-mentioned lackeys (RT, "1ch" and others like them) ..
          2. Uncle
            Uncle 16 September 2013 18: 27 New
            +2
            Quote: Volodin
            here and regular readers are not millions

            Well, thank God, otherwise they will turn a wonderful resource into a stream of feces.
      2. jasper
        jasper 17 September 2013 21: 45 New
        0
        you have no idea about the industry structure, in a province where there are no gasters, the quality of construction is much higher than in Moscow, and the salary of masons and plasterers is 40-50 per month
    3. Petrol
      Petrol 16 September 2013 10: 35 New
      +9
      here is an excerpt from the "catechism" which Zhdanov showed to Stalin at 46 (for having paid his head) .... "By all means suppress the consciousness of the goyim, crush the best of them, stuff, the worst, like a dumb ram, raise it."
      1. Evrepid
        Evrepid 17 September 2013 10: 23 New
        -1
        Freak dogs!
        He has two biographies! :)
        ! Have you seen this in a normal person?
        Excerpt from the wiki:
        "... On the one hand, according to official figures, Sobyanin’s ancestors in a direct male line were Ural Cossacks, and great-grandfather on this line moved to the Mansi village of Nyaksimvol; on the other, Sergei Sobyanin is noted as a famous representative of the Mansi in encyclopedias devoted to history and culture given people ... "

        Next is generally a class! "...Start-up data diverge. According to some sources [3] [4], in 1975 he moved to Kostroma, where his sister lived. He studied at the Kostroma Institute of Technology, which he graduated in 1980. By distribution, he worked for several years as an engineer at the Kostroma plant of woodworking machines, and later moved to Chelyabinsk, where he got a job as an engineer at the Chelyabinsk tube rolling plant, and later became the head of the workshop. According to other sources [13], in 1975, after leaving school, Sobyanin did not move to Kostroma, but to Chelyabinsk. He worked at the Chelyabinsk Tube Rolling Plant as an assistant locksmith and a locksmith, at the same time he studied at the correspondence department of the Kostroma Technological Institute (which contradicts the published memoirs of classmates Sobyanin [5], according to which he studied full-time in Kostroma). In 1980, after graduating from the institute, he headed the team of turners, became the foreman, the head of the factory Komsomol organization. "
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        Like this...
        Fair man:)! has two biographies, two versions about education. two versions of seniority! :)
        For all occasions!
    4. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 16 September 2013 10: 58 New
      +4
      They won’t succeed. They are in power structures, and they will defend their fellow tribesmen to death. Unfortunately, we have lost Moscow as a Russian city. I'm afraid forever.
      1. matross
        matross 16 September 2013 12: 14 New
        +2
        Quote: Reasonable, 2,3
        Not work out

        It is written without a soft sign. It will not work if you do nothing. We must start breaking this system. Sobyanin Respect for one desire to start to decide something. Let's see the process in dynamics.
        PS I am without pink glasses, but immediately whine that everything is gone, I do not want.
        1. slacker
          slacker 16 September 2013 16: 31 New
          +5
          1) immediate deportation from Russia 100% of immigrants from all the republics of the former USSR, except Kazakhstan and Belarus (members of the CU)
          2) the introduction of a visa regime with all former republics
          3) closing borders along the outer perimeter of the vehicle
          4) introducing criminal liability for decent REAL terms (5-7 minimum years) with serving a sentence in the Taimyr region for the first attempt to illegally enter the territory of the Russian Federation, and for the second attempt to introduce a punishment of 20 years of hard labor
          5) the announcement of the date after which the presence on the territory of the Russian Federation of migrants from the former Soviet republics will be considered criminally punishable.
          6) oblige all immigrants from ex. When crossing the Russian border, the USSR must deposit money in a sum guaranteeing their deportation in a multiple amount to a special bank account, while surplus money is not returned during deportation and you can get it back only if the legal rules for leaving the Russian Federation are observed
          7) if you change your place of residence in the territory of the Russian Federation (and not only a settlement, but also a rented apartment, hotel, hostel, etc.), by daily personal arrival to the police or the FMS, notify the authorities about this. For violation of liability in accordance with paragraph 4 (see above)
          8) for violation of the law, the terms of criminal liability are 2 times higher than for Russians. The same applies to fines for administrative offenses.
          9) REVISION OF CITIZENSHIP - depriving of citizenship and deportation of all residents of Transcaucasia and Central Asia who received Russian passports from 6.02.1991/XNUMX/XNUMX. If such "citizens" commit a criminal offense, there must be criminal liability + deprivation of citizenship + deportation to their historical homeland after serving their sentence
          10) criminal liability for confiscation of property and capital when hiring foreigners from ex. republics of the USSR
          11) a ban on immigrants from the southern republics arriving in the Russian Federation after 06.02.1992/XNUMX/XNUMX, regardless of the presence or absence of Russian citizenship, to engage in trade, as well as to occupy any positions of state and municipal employees
          12) a ban for such persons on activities in the police, prosecutors, FMS and other law enforcement agencies, as well as the practice of law practice

          This is only an incomplete list of measures that can clean up migration in a matter of months.
          1. matross
            matross 16 September 2013 17: 41 New
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            Quote: Loafer
            1) immediate deportation from Russia 100% of immigrants from all the republics of the former USSR, except Kazakhstan and Belarus (members of the CU)

            Regardless of nationality? Both Russians and Ukrainians?
            Quote: Loafer
            3) closing borders along the outer perimeter of the vehicle

            This is a task for years and billions ...
            Quote: Loafer
            REVISION OF CITIZENSHIP - depriving of citizenship and deportation of all residents of Transcaucasia and Central Asia who received Russian passports starting from 6.02.1991

            Also without taking into account nationality? And where can I put the compatriots resettlement program?
            Quote: Loafer
            This is only an incomplete list of measures that can clean up migration in a matter of months.

            This is a complete list of measures that will lead to the destabilization of the situation throughout the country, the severance of relations with all the former republics of the USSR (except for the CU countries), the loss by Russia of all recent foreign policy achievements, the collapse of the SCO, CSTO and its international isolation. The place of Russia in Asia and the Caucasus will immediately be taken by "friends" from the USA.
            1. slacker
              slacker 16 September 2013 21: 05 New
              +1
              Regardless of nationality? Both Russians and Ukrainians?

              Yes, all holders of foreign passports except citizens of Kazakhstan and Belarus, regardless of nationality engaged in migrant workers in Russia. Ukrainians too !!!
              I personally have not seen Russian migrant workers or even heard of them. There may be concessions for them, provided that they immediately renounce foreign citizenship.
              This is a task for years and billions ...

              Who told you this about years and billions? Spit on this man in the eye. He lied to you. Closing borders in the presence of criminal penalties for illegal stay on the territory of the Russian Federation is an inexpensive and quick measure. A date is announced from which border crossing is possible only if you have a passport with a Russian visa. Border guards work as usual. Dumb visitors are either not allowed to cross the border and fly away (leave) on a return flight, or if they illegally cross the border, they sail on barges along the Yenisei to Taimyr to build the Dikson-Norilsk highway 5-7 years. The Chinese wall around the perimeter can not be built. Fools on the other side of the border will end quickly enough.
              Also without taking into account nationality? And where can I put the compatriots resettlement program?

              Based on your suggestions, you can take into account nationality here. But only for the Slavs. Remove the resettlement program from the place where you put it. It continues, but again only for Russians and Slavs.
              This is a complete list of measures that will lead to the destabilization of the situation throughout the country, the severance of relations with all the former republics of the USSR (except for the CU countries), the loss by Russia of all recent foreign policy achievements, the collapse of the SCO, CSTO and its international isolation. The place of Russia in Asia and the Caucasus will immediately be taken by "friends" from the USA.

              This will lead to stabilization of the situation throughout the country, a decrease in crime, an increase in the safety of citizens, etc. Relations with the former republics will not be violated, but streamlined. They will still be hiding in our doors with outstretched hands, but without a guest worker’s bosom.
              Recent foreign policy achievements, for example in Syria, will not be affected. I can’t remember other achievements right away. SCO will not fall apart. In the SCO, the main axis is Moscow-Beijing, and the rest of Tashkent, Bishkek and Dushanbe are extras. And you yourself know that. Those who beg for money from Russia for decades cannot be equal to Russia. The CSTO is also more of a virtual organization, which is financially and economically more profitable for the former. owls republics rather than Russia. The backbone of these organizations represented by Russia, China, Kazakhstan and Belarus will remain anyway, and the rest can go through the woods and host millions of their gaster.
              The place of Russia in the Caucasus will be taken by friends from the USA.

              So in Georgia and Azerbaijan, these places are already occupied. And Armenia is looking to the West even without it. Due to financial and budgetary problems, your friends from the USA are also unlikely to remain in Central Asia, especially leaving Afghanistan.
              So here is the answer to all points of your objection.
              If you still have questions, then ask. I will answer.

              To cheer you up a joke:
              - Dad, why is the moon more stars?
              - And figs knows her ...
              “Why is the sun so bright?”
              - And FIG knows ...
              - Dad, maybe you're tired?
              - No, no, you ask, son! Who else will answer you, except for the father of your own?
              1. matross
                matross 16 September 2013 23: 43 New
                -1
                Quote: Loafer
                Ukrainians too !!!

                They are not brothers to you? Here for such statements it is necessary
                Quote: Loafer
                deprive of citizenship and deportation

                somewhere to Antarctica
                Quote: Loafer
                Pull out the resettlement program from the place where you put it

                Yes, you boor ordinary, tram
                Quote: Loafer
                Fools on the other side of the border will end quickly enough.

                On the other hand, maybe fast. But with this ...
                Quote: Loafer
                Tashkent, Bishkek and Dushanbe are extras

                This is not extras. This is Central Asia. According to conventional wisdom - the underbelly of Russia. The most important region for us. We lose influence there - we lose everything.
                Quote: Loafer
                But Armenia looks to the West even without it

                Recently, Armenia announced the beginning of the process of joining the CU.
                Quote: Loafer
                If you still have questions, then ask

                No questions. And no more jokes are needed. Fables and songs too.
          2. Korben
            Korben 16 September 2013 19: 57 New
            +3
            Hysteria at the level of absurdity! I understand that in Moscow there are a minority of real Muscovites. But these are inappropriate methods to solve the problem!
          3. valerei
            valerei 16 September 2013 21: 09 New
            +4
            loafer, well written. Only, they say that there are more than 11 million migrants in Russia !!!. The quantity has already passed into quality. The burden on the budget will be unbearable. And if they are also kept as shown in the "box", then they are even better: they live better than they were in the wild. In addition, hundreds of thousands of officials feeding from them will never allow a change in the situation. And if they raise their salaries in Moscow, for example, janitors, then the corresponding bosses will receive a “kickback” not by 7-8tyr, but by 15-16tyr. Those. half will remain half. And the Russians have forgotten how to work on such jobs. And wipers from all over Russia will not go to Moscow, if only for family reasons. And at home they can’t see such money. A person should live and work at home, and not dangle throughout Russia. And in general, this topic is already tired, because has been procrastinating already 5 or 6 times, but what's the point? Nothing will change, NOTHING!
            1. slacker
              slacker 16 September 2013 21: 51 New
              +2
              Someone put a minus to you. I hasten to compensate for this minus with my plus. You are right in many ways. I think that under the rule of the GDP and even more so, a thread of DAM will not change anything. And with a different orientation, things can change quickly.
              PS I do not connect hopes for a Russian revival with the names of Navalny and other liberal liberal groups.
              1. Denis
                Denis 16 September 2013 22: 06 New
                0
                Quote: Loafer
                under the power of a different orientation, everything can change and quickly
                Power is okay and everyone knows what they put on it, but only the majority will not change their orientation
          4. Sorge
            Sorge 16 September 2013 22: 22 New
            0
            Hey, you loafer, I got Russian citizenship in 93, and from 1999 to 2001 I didn’t get out of Chechnya, compared to you, who was sitting somewhere in a warm office and poking buttons on a computer. Compared to you, if you are Russian, I have done more for your country, although I am non-Russian than you. So shut up your mouth.
            1. matross
              matross 16 September 2013 23: 24 New
              0
              Quote: Sorge
              Compared to you, if you are Russian, I have done more for your country, although I am non-Russian than you. So shut up your mouth.

              You plus and respect from me, colleague! good Do not be offended by a loafer, you can still be young, and he writes ridiculous recipes to us from Germany ... office phytoplankton
          5. Evrepid
            Evrepid 17 September 2013 10: 30 New
            +2
            Do not carry garbage!
            1) Deportation from the Russian Federation or the Moscow region? What do you mean by Russia? :)
            2) According to the current constitution, this is inciting ethnic hatred and separatism!
            3) How do you plan the separation of families of such natives? My friend was born in Ukraine, but lived almost all his life in the Russian Federation, married a native of the Russian Federation, their children are citizens of the Russian Federation. What do you do with these? To expel him, but where is his wife and children?

            And all the other items are crap ...
    5. Alekseir162
      Alekseir162 16 September 2013 12: 05 New
      +5
      Your truth, Sergey, this is too fat a piece to make it so easy, you live for a healthy life. As K.S. Stanislavsky said, “I DO NOT BELIEVE!”
    6. Vovka levka
      Vovka levka 16 September 2013 13: 32 New
      +3
      Quote: Bongo
      Nothing will change, too much in the authorities interested in maintaining the "status".

      Need to clarify: Economically interested.
      Rules and laws are issued not for people to live well, but for the one who invents them to live well.
      It’s like a joke.
      The election and the candidate are campaigning, he says: We will have everything, We will have everything fine and so on. As a result, wins. And after some time, the voters ask: Well you promised that we would have everything. Before promised, he answers. We have everything, but I did not say that you will have everything.
    7. ildar335
      ildar335 17 September 2013 19: 35 New
      0
      Yes, just no Russian Muscovite will not remove garbage chutes to clean yards !!!!
      1. Garrin
        Garrin 17 September 2013 19: 43 New
        +2
        Quote: ildar335
        Yes, just no Russian Muscovite will not remove garbage chutes to clean yards !!!!

        I will disappoint you. I cleaned the garbage chutes and cleaned the sewage blockages, this is already being a Russian Muscovite and the head of the department at the defense plant. Not at all ashamed of this, it was necessary to earn housing.
        I will not pass you, although you are not right.
  2. Denis
    Denis 16 September 2013 07: 36 New
    39
    It can be seen that his wife is not a successful business ...
    Conceived is beautiful, well look
    there is such a way out
    1. 12061973
      12061973 16 September 2013 09: 17 New
      +5
      only he will not leave for Armenia, he lives in Sochi.
      1. The comment was deleted.
    2. Evrepid
      Evrepid 19 September 2013 13: 20 New
      0
      And you will live on one salary! :)

      It is necessary to add:
      - Refuse Tyumen oil!
      - refuse from Kazan oil!
      - Refuse Bashkir oil!
      - Refuse Bashkir, Turkmen gas!
      - Do not buy! (Yes, actually for what shisha then?)
      - Refuse wheat from Kavzaz!
      - Refuse wheat from Kazakhstan!

      etc.
      Generally:
      - Do not be born!
      - Born? Die of hunger!

      Or not?
      I want everything, but for free! :)
  3. Aney
    Aney 16 September 2013 07: 41 New
    20
    Now in Russia, any government question is not HOW TO DO? or what to do? And HOW CORRUPTED will it be done?
    It is corny of course, but the question HOW TO Eradicate Corruption must be resolved in the first place, without which it is pointless to do something.
    1. Vovka levka
      Vovka levka 16 September 2013 14: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: Aney
      Now in Russia, any government question is not HOW TO DO? or what to do? And HOW CORRUPTED will it be done?
      It is corny of course, but the question HOW TO Eradicate Corruption must be resolved in the first place, without which it is pointless to do something.

      It always has been.
      Like in a joke.
      The king dies and goes to hell. Several years pass, Lenin dies and also goes to hell. The king asks: “How is the secret police? How is the army? Are you still collecting exorbitant taxes from peasants? ” Yes, yes and yes, Lenin answers. “Good, good,” the king says.
      Then Stalin dies, goes to hell, and the Tsar asks him the same questions. “Yes, yes and yes,” Stalin replies.
      Then comes Khrushchev's turn, he goes to hell, and hears the same questions from the king. “Yes, yes and yes,” Khrushchev replies, but adds, “You will be delighted, Your Majesty, because we have increased the alcohol content in vodka by one percent.”
      The king thinks for a second, and then says: “And because of this one percent you started a revolution?”
  4. Warrawar
    Warrawar 16 September 2013 07: 42 New
    13
    Good article. The true reason of the lawlessness happening in Moscow (and the rest of Russia) is very soberly stated.
    1. Kolya
      Kolya 16 September 2013 09: 19 New
      +7
      Yes, but if you always doubt it, then you give the card to the authorities not to fight illegal immigrants. They decided to fight - the power is taken to fight - so support the power, and strictly ask for implementation. And you do not need to dissolve the snot, again it will not work.
    2. smprofi
      smprofi 16 September 2013 11: 26 New
      +2
      Quote: Warrawar
      Good article.

      maybe.
      only here are the thoughts expressed in Russia for Russian citizens, something that many would like to hear.
      but what will be done in reality ...
      Yevgeny Marchenko, a Russian deputy in the city of St. Petersburg, in the Philippines in August suggested: Filipinos should start looking at job opportunities in Russia. Expressing satisfaction at how skilled and talented Filipino workers are in other countries, he announced that his country needs 8 nurses and 000 builders.

      http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/index.php/en/news/opinion/19258-is-it-time-to-e
      mbrace-a-different-world-power
      1. Denis
        Denis 16 September 2013 18: 36 New
        +2
        Quote: smprofi
        he announced that his country needed 8 000 nurses and 21 000 builders.
        Yes, he’s just a peydoras, in one Leningrad region you can dial more
        And are these ... chewing on our taxes?
      2. Evrepid
        Evrepid 19 September 2013 13: 27 New
        0
        Ha! Citizens of RUSSIA? Or Moscow?

        Something I did not see in Rostov-on-Don visiting migrant workers sweeping streets and cleaning garbage chutes.
        All do their own!

        Maybe it's time to stop equating Moscow with the Russian Federation?

        Gentlemen separatists from Moscow and others, drive into your head:

        Moscow is not all Russia, Russia is not only Moscow!
  5. svp67
    svp67 16 September 2013 07: 42 New
    +7
    And the Russians will come to replace migrant workers ...
    this will happen only if, first of all, the officials interests of the state, and mean ordinary people, will be put first of all on personal interests ... But this is not easy to achieve oh ...
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 16 September 2013 08: 16 New
      13
      Quote: svp67
      this will happen only if, first of all, the officials interests of the state, and mean ordinary people, will be put first of all on personal interests ... But this is not easy to achieve oh ...

      Bring back the 37 year! You will be amazed at the speed of change in the actions of officials of all stripes. I think that it will be enough just to declare: "Basta, karapuziki! We jumped! From tomorrow, with 00.01 the regime of 37 of the year for officials is introduced!" You don’t even have to act! Everyone will grow wiser! fellow
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 16 September 2013 08: 43 New
        +1
        And what is the regime of the 37th year?
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 16 September 2013 08: 58 New
          11
          Quote: leon-iv
          And what is the regime of the 37th year?

          And this is when a stolen bureaucrat is shot for a short period of time, and property is confiscated, and not transferred to another place of work.
          But I’m skeptical about Sobyanin’s initiatives. I think this is a populist election move. He’s on the team. And there was no order from above to shake the Gaster. We will see.
          1. leon-iv
            leon-iv 16 September 2013 09: 03 New
            +2
            And this is when a stolen bureaucrat is shot for a short period of time, and property is confiscated, and not transferred to another place of work.

            lol you then the state apparatus will stand up completely. And to prove the fact of a bribe is very difficult.
            Although our governor Me with Pakhom for the company will be nice.
            1. saber
              saber 16 September 2013 09: 58 New
              +4
              won't get up! we have no irreplaceable! after a few real shots, others will dig the earth with their noses (or they will run into the business to cut loot)
            2. baltika-18
              baltika-18 16 September 2013 10: 10 New
              +1
              Quote: leon-iv
              Although our governor Me and Pakhom for the company will be nice

              Here I am in agreement with you, I would only add another dozen three candidates for a trip to another world.
          2. avt
            avt 16 September 2013 09: 28 New
            +4
            Quote: baltika-18
            But I am skeptical about Sobyanin's initiatives. I think this is a populist election move

            Here's how to see. The stalls with cigarettes and beer at the bus stops, when he arrived, he really cleaned them up. The wild markets started to be cleaned up - that’s also a fact. They started demolishing the last pavilions on Cherkizovskaya just as if they were waiting for something, but it should be noted that -
            Quote: Quiet
            Sobyanina just bang !!! Everything has gone too far. Take Biryukov who is responsible for housing and communal services. Is there anyone who wants to believe that he does not accept "tribute" ???

            That's for sure. And Resin, that he trained the personnel for the Moscow Region in SU155 - Vasiliev and Smetanova - also keeps his finger on the pulse. For that, the amount of cash received, and black, can really be banged if they immediately try to tighten the nuts not according to the schedule of the 37th year. And so, wait and see.
          3. optimist
            optimist 16 September 2013 13: 39 New
            +4
            Quote: baltika-18
            It seems to me that this is a populist election move. He is on the team. And there was no order from above to shake the Gaster. We will see.

            It seems right to you. All the “Indians”, who were recently caught by cops in Moscow markets in the light of the election campaign, are already in their trading places. In order to solve this problem (and many others), it is necessary to change the social and political system in the country. And until this happens, all such "initiatives" of the authorities can be characterized by one expression: "Pease ... kicked, like pulled into the water !!!" laughing
          4. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 16 September 2013 17: 47 New
            0
            Quote: baltika-18
            And this is when a stealing bureaucrat is shot in a short time

            there, in my opinion, they didn’t shoot bureaucrats. Yes, and they didn’t steal on such a scale, for they went to work on foot and did not drain tenders to the left. Everyone built state trusts there and not any sharash. Joseph Vissarionitch thought of himself last. He had one overcoat and a pair of state dachas.
          5. jasper
            jasper 16 September 2013 18: 21 New
            0
            storyteller, there was a political massacre hi
      2. Vadivak
        Vadivak 16 September 2013 09: 10 New
        11
        Quote: Egoza
        Bring back the 37th year!


        to the sufferers for the new 1937, Putin has already explained in plain text: "We are not 37 years old"
        1. alone
          alone 16 September 2013 19: 40 New
          0
          officials are generally all interconnected. huge bribes. today the most profitable business is to give a bribe, to take an official’s chair and rob the people's good. I hope everyone knows the famous saying.

          The fish rots from the head.
  6. Quiet
    Quiet 16 September 2013 07: 47 New
    +4
    Quote: Bongo
    Nothing will change, too much in the authorities interested in maintaining the "status".



    Sobyanina just bang !!! Everything has gone too far. Take Biryukov who is responsible for housing and communal services. Is there anyone who wants to believe that he does not accept "tribute" ??? But he is not alone there ... am Rather, all this is PR ...
  7. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 16 September 2013 07: 52 New
    +8
    It is quite possible that in Moscow Sobyanin will succeed, he will receive a carte blanche, but will not this mass move if he is "eager" to work for Mother Russia, but ... belay
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 16 September 2013 08: 26 New
      +4
      Migrant workers should be sent to Taimyr, Novosibirsk Islands, let them work legally there.
  8. Andrey from Tver
    Andrey from Tver 16 September 2013 07: 53 New
    18
    Previously, pensioners and students worked as janitors (for example, they cleaned 1/2 of the plot, and not the whole). And everything was more or less normal. And now, I think, many of the pensioners would have agreed to the work of the janitors. They usually have housing. So the problem is not in finding local personnel, but in the reluctance to lose a feeder to a small number of people. Sobyanin good luck in resolving this issue.
  9. Asgard
    Asgard 16 September 2013 07: 54 New
    10
    migration of Russians

    Quote: svp67
    but mean ordinary people will be put in the first place

    The decision has already been prepared, ordinary Russians will be the same Tajiks, Azerbaijanis, Uzbeks ....
    And officials Vladimir Vladimirovich promised to limit corruption))))
    that they ...
    Quote: svp67
    ...., primarily officials interests of the state, .....

    they didn’t set, only Their interests of Their people are ahead))))
    legal theft
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 16 September 2013 08: 05 New
      13
      Quote: Asgard
      The decision has already been prepared, ordinary Russians will be the same Tajiks, Azerbaijanis, Uzbeks ....
      And officials Vladimir Vladimirovich promised to limit corruption))))
      that they ...

      At the same time, Vladimir Vladimirovich solves the problem of declining popularity among voters. About 50 million "compatriots" from Central Asia will be brought in for the next election, and the question of re-election for 4 terms will not be so acute.
      Everything is very simple - if the people do not want to vote for Putin and EDR, then this is not the right people. And if the people are not right, then they need to be replaced with the right one.
      1. Denis
        Denis 16 September 2013 08: 46 New
        +5
        Quote: Warrawar
        EDRO
        This is generally raunchy
        Say something like that again
      2. Sadikoff
        Sadikoff 16 September 2013 09: 06 New
        -17
        Populations of white races in the world are shrinking everywhere - this is a trend. They stop multiplying.
        Because a new vector of development is coming, White has done his job, it’s like the first stage of a rocket.
        1. leon-iv
          leon-iv 16 September 2013 09: 18 New
          14
          This is like the first stage of a rocket.

          Like an extreme proton?
          Without a white man, a polar furry animal will come to the world.
          1. Sadikoff
            Sadikoff 16 September 2013 10: 14 New
            -8
            There were civilizations in Africa, America, Asia.
            Russians can calm down, everything is according to Vysotsky
            1. IGS
              IGS 16 September 2013 11: 25 New
              +7
              Forgive the moderators. Et you surely cleared, civilizations came and went. And chimpanzees like eating bananas and eat, all on the same trees. If only they had learned to cultivate them (bananas), but no, if they did, then they could only begged for them, building scary faces ... in zoos wassatYes, in the circus to speak for the same bananas, under the guidance of the trainer of another civilization.
        2. baltika-18
          baltika-18 16 September 2013 10: 17 New
          +6
          Quote: Sadykoff
          Because a new vector of development is coming, White has done his job, it’s like the first stage of a rocket.

          What can I say. Going to the trees, stock up on bananas only, so that "it would not be excruciatingly painful for years spent aimlessly."
        3. IGS
          IGS 16 September 2013 10: 23 New
          +3
          You yourself believe in what you wrote? Though....:A zero vector is a vector whose beginning coincides with its end. If only this one. laughing
      3. alone
        alone 16 September 2013 19: 44 New
        0
        Quote: Warrawar
        At the same time, Vladimir Vladimirovich solves the problem of declining popularity among voters.


        Thus, the state program for increasing the population is simply carried out. Just take an interest in Vladislav at the rate of population growth in Russia over 10 years, and then google to find more data on the increase in the number of people living in Russia.
    2. Valery Neonov
      Valery Neonov 16 September 2013 12: 51 New
      0
      Oh, you’re not a good person, ... oh, under the glasses ... you don’t see something, is there .. is .. aha .. you have piled on ... but ... offer something FREQUENT or so ... truncated ... for you ...
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  11. LOKY
    LOKY 16 September 2013 08: 06 New
    11
    Yeah, hordes of janitors-gastars will overthrow the government! The broom is our banner!

    What are you! Janitors - a microscopic layer. And in most yards, the Slavs have long been working. Because, as a rule, cleaning events are in the power of management companies, which are much more profitable to listen to the opinion of tenants (at the same time having removed more from them) and put a "nonsense" at work than to get 10 thousand from an unfortunate migrant.
    Now, if Sobyanin decided to remove our foreign brothers from construction sites! .. That would be the number! ;-)
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 16 September 2013 08: 13 New
      +5
      Quote: LOKY
      And in most yards, the Slavs have long been working

      I have not seen a janitor-Slav for several years.
      1. LOKY
        LOKY 16 September 2013 08: 58 New
        +6
        And I saw a Negro railway worker (railway station Begovaya).
        Does this mean that soon the blacks will capture all the locomotives?
        1. Warrawar
          Warrawar 16 September 2013 09: 14 New
          +4
          Quote: LOKY
          And I saw a Negro railway worker (railway station Begovaya).
          Does this mean that soon the blacks will capture all the locomotives?

          Very funny. Only an example with a Negro is an isolated one, but the Central Asians have already really occupied all Russian megacities.
          1. LOKY
            LOKY 16 September 2013 09: 44 New
            +6
            Occupied. Only in other areas.
            The problem with the wipers is far-fetched.
            The problem with gastaras at construction sites, drivers, road workers (and simply with an incredible swarthy presence) is a real one.
            And if you can somehow come to terms with the laborers, then the “drivers” and “builders” are a misfortune in the literal sense of the word. Because quality suffers and, consequently, safety.
            And this is not to mention the criminalization of such communities!
            But, I repeat, the wipers have nothing to do with it.
            And if one so wants to consider that “with”, then one should regard Sobyanin’s similar policy as the first step in the struggle against these communities.
            1. builder
              builder 16 September 2013 17: 56 New
              0
              LOKY Today, 09:44 ↑
              Occupied. Only in other areas.
              The problem with the wipers is far-fetched.

              At night, in the area of ​​the Black Sea Boulevard in the south of Moscow, she picked up bottles and empty cans. Janitors drank alcohol nearby. A random passerby called the police; the rapists were caught at the crime scene.

              As Rosbalt wrote, the other day, police officers outside Moscow detained a 35-year-old citizen of Tajikistan. He has been charged with a series of sexual assaults.
              As Rosbalt was told in the police department of the Central Internal Affairs Directorate of Internal Affairs of the Moscow Region, recently the police from the Leninsky district began to receive statements from women who suffered from the hands of the rapist. In total, four criminal cases were instituted, and the writing of all the crimes was the same. During investigative and operational activities, law enforcement officers detained a 35-year-old Tajik citizen.
              As it turned out, the visitor attacked women in a deserted place in the dark. Threatening them with murder, he took them to one of the premises located on the territory of abandoned garden plots, where he committed sexual violence against the victims. After which he took money, personal items and valuables from them. As part of the criminal investigation, identification and confrontations were held, which confirmed the detainee's involvement in the commission of violent acts.

              On June 18, a Muscovite contacted the police, who said that her seven-year-old daughter was raped in the territory of the Timiryazevsky forest park. The rapist, having promised to treat him with ice cream, lured the girl into. bushes and raped.
              The next day, police detained Makhsud Meliev, born in 1981, a native of Tajikistan. He is fully exposed to commit a crime, the police department said.
              Meliev lived in Moscow without registration and worked as a janitor at the Petrovsky Razumovsky market.

              The city was swept by a wave of rape committed by visitors from the CIS (the newspaper "Yakutsk evening")
              On the evening of May 28, a man who lived in the area of ​​Ochichenko Street contacted the police and said that at about 21 pm an unknown person had assaulted his 16-year-old daughter and raped him. Unknown detained. It turned out to be 22-year-old Marat A., a native of Kazakhstan.

              Uzbek citizen convicted of raping 7-year-old girl (ITAR-TASS)
              As the prosecutor’s office of the city told an ITAR-TASS correspondent today, the daughter of his friend was the victim of the rapist. A man who arrived in St. Petersburg illegally about a year ago and lived in odd jobs ....
              A total of 17000 criminal offenses per year.
              In my opinion, the wipers from Uzbekistan and Tajikistan are too expensive for us.
              1. Denis
                Denis 16 September 2013 18: 41 New
                +1
                Quote: stroitel
                A total of 17000 criminal offenses per year.
                In my opinion, wipers from Uzbekistan and Tajikistan are too expensive for us
                It's time to recall the courts of a very non-democratic Lynch
              2. Marek Rozny
                Marek Rozny 17 September 2013 10: 54 New
                +1
                Quote: stroitel
                On the evening of May 28, a man who lived in the area of ​​Ochichenko Street contacted the police and said that at about 21 pm an unknown person had assaulted his 16-year-old daughter and raped him. Unknown detained. It turned out to be 22-year-old Marat A., a native of Kazakhstan.

                1) I searched on the Internet - a quote from the book "Netajik girls, non-Chechen boys." An attempt to find the original link in "Evening Yakutsk" (June 2005) was unsuccessful.
                It’s just amazing to me that a certain 22-year-old Marat from Kazakhstan ended up in Yakutsk. Kazakhs do not go to Russia, only on business trips and study. He does not attract a businessman (given his age), and Kazakhs do not go to study in Yakutsk. It makes no sense to go there to earn money - in Kazakhstan you can earn easier and more than there. So I very much doubt that such a person was in nature. And even if he was, then a “native of Kazakhstan” could turn out to be both Russian and Tatar. Somewhere around a million "people from Kazakhstan" live in Russia (immigrants after 1991), and almost all of them are ethnic Slavs. Kazakhs not only do not move to Russia, but vice versa - it is from Russia to Kazakhstan that Kazakhs move from Orenburg, Astrakhan, Omsk, Altai.
                1. LOKY
                  LOKY 17 September 2013 19: 00 New
                  0
                  A person does not know how to work with information.
              3. LOKY
                LOKY 17 September 2013 18: 57 New
                0
                Are these 17000 wipers?
        2. Denis
          Denis 16 September 2013 09: 24 New
          0
          Quote: LOKY
          I saw a Negro train worker
          He got lost, they showed a black man, only one
    2. builder
      builder 16 September 2013 17: 41 New
      0
      Harvesting events are at the mercy of management companies, which are much more profitable to listen to the opinion of tenants (at the same time having removed more from them) and put a "dumb" at work than to get 10 thousand from an unfortunate migrant.

      According to all statements, Asian pay 25 thousand, and 25 thousand are collected from tenants, and 15 thousand are paid to the hands, the difference is in the pocket of the owner of the Criminal Code.
      At construction sites, a similar situation. For example, for 1 m3 of concrete, the owner of a construction company pays Uzbek pimp 2,5 thousand rubles. (like the Russian worker). 1 thousand rubles really falls into the hands of an Uzbek. The difference is in the pimp's pocket (not all - part goes to bribes to the police, UV MS, etc.)
  12. omsbon
    omsbon 16 September 2013 08: 12 New
    +6
    God grant that Sobyanin would succeed!
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 16 September 2013 08: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: omsbon
      God grant that Sobyanin would succeed!

      The only problem is that he does not need it, since he was “elected” to the post of mayor and now he can do whatever he wants until the next election campaign (if any).
    2. alone
      alone 16 September 2013 19: 47 New
      0
      Sobyan figure, he does not solve anything
  13. Boot under the carpet
    Boot under the carpet 16 September 2013 08: 20 New
    +3
    Just great! Now they will tumble down to nearby cities, where they will be received with a warm embrace, if only they would not pay taxes! Thank you comrade Sobyanin!
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 16 September 2013 08: 50 New
      +4
      Quote: Boot under the carpet
      they will tumble down to nearby cities

      Yes, they are already full in any large city, recently passed by the FMS building, so their 300 people stood in line.
    2. zvereok
      zvereok 16 September 2013 08: 55 New
      0
      Luzhkov had a plan for migrants to live outside the capital in the immediate vicinity of Moscow and come there to work.
      1. Denis
        Denis 16 September 2013 09: 26 New
        0
        Quote: zvereok
        Luzhkov had a plan
        More precisely wife and pocket
      2. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 16 September 2013 10: 24 New
        +4
        Quote: zvereok
        Luzhkov had a plan for migrants to live outside the capital
      3. alone
        alone 16 September 2013 19: 48 New
        0
        Quote: zvereok
        Luzhkov had a plan,


        high-quality plan or bullshit?)) wassat
  14. dark_65
    dark_65 16 September 2013 08: 25 New
    12
    About the riot on the ship, crush in the bud, Moscow just needs to be unloaded, this is a nightmare that I saw a week ago, (was the last time five years ago) -Maskvabad, not my capital.
  15. Internal combustion engine
    Internal combustion engine 16 September 2013 08: 47 New
    +4
    It will be interesting to read this note two years later. After all, little will change. Gaster as it was and will be in Moscow. A bourgeois state is inconceivable without breaking down good profits, and Gaster is precisely what gives such an opportunity.
  16. leon-iv
    leon-iv 16 September 2013 08: 48 New
    +3
    The simple answer is to beat their employers / workers with the ruble.
    1. Denis
      Denis 16 September 2013 09: 29 New
      +7
      Quote: leon-iv
      The simple answer is to beat their employers / workers with the ruble.
      Not so simple
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 16 September 2013 09: 37 New
        0
        Not so simple

        and who said it would be easy.
        It seems like we are successfully fighting grassroots corruption. So what are we waiting for. And most importantly, you cannot give and receive bribes yourself.
    2. builder
      builder 16 September 2013 18: 10 New
      0
      For one illegal guest worker, a fine in the region of 1 million rubles. I don’t know not one construction company that went bankrupt because of these fines. (In our country, bribes decide everything.)
  17. zvereok
    zvereok 16 September 2013 08: 53 New
    0
    I am not against migrants if they abide by the laws. And violators, you need something to pay for their crime. So far, the crime will be paid by deportation for the state. account, nothing will change. Well, employers need to be reassured, in full, so that even the idea of ​​seditious hiring illegal immigrants does not arise.
    1. Denis
      Denis 16 September 2013 10: 54 New
      0
      Quote: zvereok
      violators, you need something to pay for your crime
      And how? Forced labor, then who will pay to the one who forces this bastard and guards so as not to run away?
      1. zvereok
        zvereok 17 September 2013 18: 09 New
        0
        Well, slaves of the pyramid were being built, and someone was also watching them, and it was economically justified.
    2. builder
      builder 16 September 2013 18: 18 New
      0
      Abroad, for example, in the UAE, the system of hiring labor migrants for 30 years of functioning has been debugged to the ideal. The main role is played by “sponsors” or “guarantors” - citizens of immigration countries, the so-called kafil (they are not necessarily employers), who recruit workers in immigrant donor countries through recruiting agencies. Without this sponsor, a labor immigrant cannot get a visa. A contract is concluded with the sponsor, under which he bears material and legal responsibility for the immigrant, pays for the costs of a flight, visa, medical certificate, work permit, etc. Why do not we introduce such a system.
  18. true love
    true love 16 September 2013 08: 56 New
    0
    The problem is very complex, but solved ... It takes a lot of patience and a desire to make Moscow for Muscovites. And the authorities will be able to do this, only the will ... and money are needed.
  19. morpogr
    morpogr 16 September 2013 08: 58 New
    +6
    Visas with all the former republics from 1.01 except the customs union, this had to be done at least in 2014. And deportation at the expense of migrants forced work to earn a ticket, at least the roads built for us and they had money for the road. And the ban on entry life if violated the law.
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 16 September 2013 09: 12 New
      0
      Quote: morpogr
      Visas with all former republics from 1.01 except the customs union, this should have been done at least in 2014

      There will be no visas ... the conversation was only about entering foreign passports (now they are generally scribbled on any piece of paper, at least for urinalysis). Without visas, it is impossible to solve the problem of migration chaos, and visas are not going to be introduced, so the chaos will continue.
      Yes, and with the TS you need to enter a visa .. what will happen if our resident accepts Tajikistan / Kyrgyzstan / Uzbekistan in the TS?
  20. My address
    My address 16 September 2013 09: 05 New
    +3
    In any position there is a complex: duties; rights to perform duties; responsibility for the performance of duties and the optimal application of rights. This is taught to all who are confronted with product certification or are team leaders. Moreover, it is believed that these three things - duties, rights, responsibility - are directly proportional to each other. The more than one, the more the second and third. But laws are written / signed, instructions by big people who themselves are more rights, less responsibilities and a minimum of responsibility. But the implementation of the equality of these things is almost a universal means to solve problems.

    Under Comrade Stalin, responsibility rarely lagged behind duties and rights. For one thing the master could kick out, put the director, shoot the minister.

    While DAM is not responsible for its stupidity, while GDP is not responsible (but at least for the small ten-year promise to return the merchant and fishing fleet to the country and for much more serious things) and others will not hurt to stir ...
  21. olegff68
    olegff68 16 September 2013 09: 10 New
    +1
    In order to do this, you need only political will and that’s all !!! Entry into the country (Uzbeks, etc.) on a work visa, which should be issued only with the agreement of the employment center (if there are no vacancies from citizens of the Russian Federation for the position)
  22. Sochi
    Sochi 16 September 2013 09: 13 New
    +1
    Everything is correct, only it’s too pessimistic ... Since the 15th year, the visa regime for everyone except the TS, and this is probably the first steps to this. Hopefully enough political will.
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 16 September 2013 09: 22 New
      0
      Quote: Sochi
      Everything is correct, only it’s too pessimistic ... Since the 15th year, the visa regime for everyone except the TS, and this is probably the first steps to this. Hopefully enough political will.

      From the 15th year there will only be entry according to "foreign passports". There are no visas and no one is expected.
  23. pravednik
    pravednik 16 September 2013 09: 15 New
    +2
    If you don’t do anything, but just jabber and talk, and then suddenly this or that, then nothing will be done at all. There was a proposal at one time that we would force illegal immigrants to work somewhere on the road construction (and the roads oh, as we need) a return ticket, and this is 3-5 months, and after that they themselves will not want to go to us. And yet. What some say that migrant workers work better and better is an outright FALSE. A month is normal, but after seeing how they were paid, they are fulfilling their duties. Only the difference is that the Russians are indignant and demand their earnings, and the Gastars are silent.
    1. I am a Russian
      I am a Russian 16 September 2013 09: 29 New
      0
      Quote: pravednik
      If you don’t do anything, but just indulge and reason, and suddenly this or that, then nothing will happen at all


      yes you are right +

      but for this you need to get up from the easy chair ...
      ... most choose a career with Claudia hi
  24. Yoshkin Kot
    Yoshkin Kot 16 September 2013 09: 21 New
    +2
    if you think that Moscow janitors have a salary of 25 thousand, then I dare to disappoint you, according to the state in the house of my relative from Moscow, 000 thousand, besides the removed guest workers, create the prerequisite for minor mechanization
    1. Denis
      Denis 16 September 2013 09: 34 New
      +2
      Quote: Yoshkin the Cat
      if you think that Moscow janitors have a salary of 25 000 thousand, then I dare to disappoint you, according to the state in the house of my relative from Moscow, 50 000 thousand
      The salary is a salary, but how much is on hand and how many bureaucrats?
      Here it is, Mikhalych ...
      1. Manager
        Manager 16 September 2013 10: 11 New
        0
        Quote: Denis
        The salary is a salary, but how much is on hand and how many bureaucrats?
        Here it is, Mikhalych ...


        Tajik "Alyosha" janitor in my house, 20 per hand a month. Officer 000. (For 30 entrances)
        1. Denis
          Denis 16 September 2013 11: 02 New
          0
          Quote: Manager
          Tajik "Alyosha"
          I wonder what his name was on a palm tree?
          You also need to find out how many entrances are included in the bid, maybe one
          Often a monkey runs three sites for half the pay, bureaucrats LCDХ love this
        2. alone
          alone 16 September 2013 19: 50 New
          0
          Quote: Manager
          Tajik "Alyosha" janitor in my house, 20 per hand a month. Officer 000. (For 30 entrances)


          You see. Count how many of these Alyosha and how many kickbacks remain for the official. Do you think you can refuse such bait?
      2. jasper
        jasper 16 September 2013 16: 40 New
        0
        so they don’t take Russians away so that they would take the lion's share for themselves, but if they send out migrant workers. then ours will be happy to work for the money
  25. 12061973
    12061973 16 September 2013 09: 29 New
    +2
    the magician who broke the cop from Dagestan and deport Vietnamese and Chinese, they don’t dance with lezgins and don’t go with knives, so it won’t be better.
    1. alone
      alone 16 September 2013 19: 51 New
      +1
      Magician is a citizen of Russia. But the Vietnamese are citizens of Vietnam. Or did I miss something? Is Dagestan no longer part of Russia?
      1. 12061973
        12061973 16 September 2013 20: 15 New
        +1
        is it really not clear, the Vietnamese do not cut people like rams, they sew down jackets even illegally, and some of our citizens have red tights with pontoons above the roof, and work is not for the "mountain of highlanders". The problem with foreigners is basically solved, what to do with ours.
        1. alone
          alone 16 September 2013 22: 16 New
          0
          Quote: 12061973
          The problem with foreigners is basically solved, what to do with ours.


          But this is already in the competence of the authorities. You ask yourself how the magician was searched for the whole day? After all, he was kept by two cops when he broke his skull. And how did he manage to hide after that? Here is an example from your own country. Anyone who he’ll touch the policeman, that colleague of the policeman is so pressed that the rest then think about 100 before raising their hand to the policeman, who is on duty. and these two received money from the mages and released him. In this situation, it’s not surprising that the “mages” are bullied) ) Yes, anyone would have been. The news will pay off easily.

          and the wife of magicians is generally a commando. she would have put everyone there. just the camera was shooting)))
          1. 12061973
            12061973 17 September 2013 00: 13 New
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            Quote: lonely
            I’ll give you an example from my own country. Anyone who touches a policeman, that colleague of a policeman is so pressed that the rest then think about 100 before raising their hand to the policeman, who is on duty.

            The mage in the Russian mentovka is also probably hard, but not 100 or 1 other mages will think about it, because the Caucasus issue is at least a sore point.
            Quote: lonely
            you ask yourself how the mage was searched for the whole day? After all, he was kept by two cops when he broke the skull of the cop. And how after that he managed to hide?

            like 500000 rubles given for a point in the market.
  26. IRBIS
    IRBIS 16 September 2013 09: 31 New
    +1
    “We don’t stop believing in our football team ...”
    Alexei, this is not even funny. Personally, I am ready to quickly believe in aliens than in the success of our team.
    1. Denis
      Denis 16 September 2013 11: 14 New
      +2
      Quote: IRBIS
      Personally, I am ready to quickly believe in aliens than in the success of our team.
      Do you believe Pele?
      A long time ago Pele said: "The USSR will become the World Cup in football when Brazil becomes the World Cup in hockey"
      Maybe it makes sense to train the Brazilians?
      1. IRBIS
        IRBIS 16 September 2013 11: 19 New
        +1
        Quote: Denis
        Maybe it makes sense to train the Brazilians?

        Five points! I am “FOR” with two hands. And it’s unusual, and for our country it will obviously cost less!
        1. Denis
          Denis 16 September 2013 18: 51 New
          0
          IRBIS
          But who will train?
          AS Pushkin
          But those in a friendly meeting
          I first read the stanzas ...
          There are no others, but those farther
          As Sadie once said.
  27. NOMAD
    NOMAD 16 September 2013 09: 33 New
    +1
    A guest workers have always been! They used to be called limiters! Worked where, for example, locals reluctantly worked in unprofitable places, at construction sites, at car factories in factories, etc.! The problem of migrant workers can be solved! But how to do it if people who have to decide it themselves are interested in them! That is, they lose their free earnings! That is, the ensign at the border will not have money from each nose of the guest, the traffic cop from every crowded bus, the conductor, the same riot police will not have an increase in salary, the migration police will lose solid bonuses, the chiefs of ZhEKs will not have anyone to pick up and keep half their salaries , officials of different levels, and finally scammers and business crooks! This list goes on and on! And is it beneficial for these services that there would be no gastings ??? We'll have to live on one salary !!! So the brothers still have to figure out who feeds whom then ??????
  28. Manager
    Manager 16 September 2013 09: 40 New
    +4
    If the law works, then millions of jobs will be vacated in Moscow. These are minibuses with buses, this is an asphalt business completely, this is construction and a lot of production, and of course the profession is a janitor. In Moscow ZP at the janitor in the region of 20 + -. And this is only because visitors. They will force them to pay more.
    I really would be so. And it turns out that the Russian normal men work unclear where and by whom, and all the bread places under this IGO. At one time, my uncle worked on asphalt (in the 90s) and earned very well. But in 2000, Armenians came and took all the business for themselves. The Russians are not there now. And there are a lot of such examples.
    1. Sadikoff
      Sadikoff 16 September 2013 12: 15 New
      0
      Foreign labor is normal. You just need to be able to manage how to build roads, education, etc. Everything comes with experience, you yourself can see that there is a difference with the past for the better.
      By the way, many Russians work all over the world, I also worked a little for the Germans, and by the way, after joining the GDR, they also had problems, and now they have problems with migrant workers. And there is no ideal government, order anywhere. Anywhere, if you delve into there are problems and there are dissatisfied everywhere.
      One clever person said, think globally, act locally. Restore order near you, including uphold your personal rights and without bribes. Then everything will be all right.
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 16 September 2013 12: 28 New
        +4
        Quote: Sadykoff
        Foreign labor is normal.

        Only if there are vacant places inside the country and at the same time there are no specialists capable of occupying them.

        If it all comes down to opening up the labor market and dumping the cost of labor, for the sake of the mercantile interests of entrepreneurs and officials (as is the case with us), then this situation cannot be normal by definition.
  29. Mosen6Ish
    Mosen6Ish 16 September 2013 09: 43 New
    0
    He is either "d.u.r.a.k." or pretends to be.
    Even the point is that no one will go to live at 25k, and they will not allocate apartments to anyone, and the crime is tied.

    Why are homeowners (HOAs) suddenly afraid to enter into agreements with a state management company?
    We refused the private - no need for nafik - we hire for specific work - well, cleaning the yard and the entrance is constant, and the rest is in fact.
    And in the state we won’t go for any carriages - all the more so they will have a lot of tariffs - as we say - “everyone wants to live like metallurgists”, forgetting that they need to work like metallurgists.
    1. IS-80
      IS-80 16 September 2013 16: 02 New
      +1
      Quote: Mosen6Ish
      Even the point is that no one will go to live at 25k, and they will not allocate apartments to anyone, and the crime is tied.


      Well, how do you say the salary at the post office in the region of 5000 r. with a penny clean? And people work, though there is still staff turnover.
  30. darksoul
    darksoul 16 September 2013 09: 44 New
    0
    God forbid, Sobyanin will solve this difficult question, but it’s Russia ... we can all go according to a different scenario ... RSLU will become another feeding trough, they will be pulling in there casters according to fake documents, and a 2-fold increase in salaries will allow an official to put even more difference in his pocket .... however much Sobyanin wants to mine it needs to be decided at the government level ... leave entry only to specialists and researchers ....... why solve the problem when this problem and everything may not be ...... let's goodbye
    1. I am a Russian
      I am a Russian 16 September 2013 17: 42 New
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      Quote: darksoul
      God forbid, Sobyanin will solve this difficult question, but this is Russia ... we can all follow a different scenario ... RSLU will become another feeding trough,


      do you suppose (since "there is no way" to put things in order) they want to restrict access to this feeder?
    2. alone
      alone 16 September 2013 19: 53 New
      -1
      laughing GOD you wrote in small letters, and the Sobyanin in large))) the Sobyanin does not solve anything, as they say from the Kremlin, he will do so
  31. ZU-23
    ZU-23 16 September 2013 09: 54 New
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    Yes, not a bad option, then that he should try it is not a doubt, because first of all with Gaster something needs to be decided, secondly give normal work and salary to our person.
  32. mak210
    mak210 16 September 2013 10: 24 New
    +3
    Moscow is already a city of limiters. I consider myself indigenous, and my grandfather in the 30s came to build the metro at a limit. They were actually given apartments and registration, though not for everyone, which depended on the duration of the contracts. But Moscow was filled with really necessary specialists for it: builders, janitors, housing office workers. Pick almost any "root", surely such as my grandfather, and appear. There was a balanced migration policy, backed up by incorruptible police. And there are no "businessmen" who, after buying apartments in Moscow, are considered unemployed and dance Lezginka. Deny entry to foreigners, but what about the Turks and other Yugoslavs that Sochi and the stadiums are building for the World Cup?

    Then a comrade wrote that ensigns and traffic cops would suffer? So they do not accept laws, the same as we are. Accepted by others. Here is a typical example: Denis Valentinovich Manturov Minister of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation.

    According to RIA Novosti, in 2012, Manturov earned the most among the ministers of the Russian government. According to the 2012 declaration, Manturov earned 2012 million rubles in 103,8.


    There are other examples, and wives - in general, business geniuses, who do not take it. And you seriously assume that they will do something? Just tryndet and frown. And the German trees themselves (there are none of their own, Russia is a famous country of deserts) for 4 million rubles. apiece on Tverskaya land, this is an estimate, a song! While these are in power, nothing will happen.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 16 September 2013 10: 41 New
      +3
      Quote: mak210
      And the German trees themselves (there are none of their own, Russia is a famous country of deserts) for 4 million rubles. apiece on Tverskaya land
    2. NOMAD
      NOMAD 16 September 2013 12: 12 New
      +1
      Then a comrade wrote that ensigns and traffic cops would suffer?
      Dear, the whole point is that behind every ensign and ordinary traffic cop, there are majors, colonels and generals! They are only the tip of the iceberg! The beginning of the money chain! Because they collect money and share with their bosses! AND WE ARE SIMPLE PEOPLE AS DOGS - ALL UNDERSTAND BUT WE CAN'T SAY ANYTHING !!!!!
  33. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 16 September 2013 10: 28 New
    +2
    To mine, the initial stage of eviction of persons of non-Slavic appearance (most of whom are immigrants from the CIS countries), and at the same time, you can not violate the laws by issuing a decree, in connection with increasing the prestige of the capital of Russia, to prohibit hiring people who do not have Russian citizenship, but with " our "Caucasian" friends "later also come up with something !!!!! The second stage is to ban the employment of migrants throughout Russia, due to the large percentage of unemployment in Russia among the local population! The third stage, persons who are not involved in tourism in Russia and are more than a certain period, should be arrested for illegal stay in Russia with subsequent deportation, without the right to return!
    1. 12061973
      12061973 16 September 2013 20: 26 New
      0
      this is what Prapor wants to do with Afonya’s Caucasian friends, it’s interesting to know how to drown them in money, give Porsche so that they break, hang gold to tear, feed black caviar to death, offer Prapor, I'm interested.
  34. Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 16 September 2013 10: 35 New
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  36. Cyril7377
    Cyril7377 16 September 2013 10: 48 New
    +1
    One moment is alarming, the initiative comes from the head of the subject, yes, the largest, but only from one of 85 ... The head of state, the head of the government do not make any statements on this subject too loudly. It turns out that this is a private initiative of one of the regional officials ?!
    1. IRBIS
      IRBIS 16 September 2013 13: 54 New
      0
      Quote: Cyril7377
      It turns out that this is a private initiative of one of the regional officials ?!

      Fair remark. The rest, including the state, this problem is not in their leisure!
  37. Blondin nikonov
    Blondin nikonov 16 September 2013 10: 49 New
    +2
    it’s always like this with us - until a roasted cock in the ass pecks, no one moves a finger. Such a migration policy of our great country will certainly not bring to good. I’m generally silent about making up for Asian demographic failures - what kind of aligophren did it occur to me .....
  38. NOMAD
    NOMAD 16 September 2013 10: 55 New
    +3
    If this issue is decided only at the government level! To introduce a visa regime through a reluctance! Then there will be some sense. In Germany, they would be happy to hire a guest worker, because they have to pay less and there are no rights! But their laws are such that if there is no work visa, you entered the country and work according to you and your employer will suffer in the first place! And the employer will be left without panties from state sanctions! Therefore, they honor the law! and the number of illegal immigrants there is minimized !! And here it is unprofitable! because behind every construction site, management company, taxi fleet, etc. is the boss from the government either a deputy or a big official! And this is only the tip of the iceberg. And the poor Uzbek will work for 200-300 cu because at home for the money, he can 3-5 months in the sun tan up his belly up!
    1. Pensioner
      Pensioner 16 September 2013 11: 27 New
      0
      Poor guest workers! These are ordinary people who are forced to go somewhere to earn bread for their family. They live in inhuman conditions (cellars, demolition houses, dozens in small rooms), suffer insults and humiliation, feel fear for their lives, who agree to deceive salary. These are people, and everyone treats them like subhuman people. Therefore, they are embittered, they become beasts. Patience for years of humiliation, deception is not only psychological stress, but frustrations. They are all victims! We need to ask the leaders of these Central Asian, Transcaucasian countries! That they bring their people to poverty and such humiliation, for the sake of a piece of bread, to run to work, almost a slave, to a neighboring country. And to ask from all our traitors that for the sake of their own self-interest, they use this cheap labor force for a penny. And this disgraces the Russian nation, humiliating the representatives of other peoples, treating them as rabble. And causing hatred of these people for all Russians! These are pests primarily for Russians, for their country! Migrant workers did not take away work from the Russians. On the ground, in each of our cases, where the labor of migrant workers is used, they are petty traitors to our country, they were bought cheaply so as not to pay more for our Russians, and personally make money on this! They "fatten", like power in any post-Soviet country, and ordinary people are brought to mutual embitterment and hatred. In these republics, they are the same traitors who brought their peoples to the humiliating position of migrant workers! They have a homeland, also not a native mother, but a stepmother. Even worse than Russia, to their ordinary Russians. Not migrant workers are bad, but their authorities in their homeland. One must ask from them.
      1. Denis
        Denis 16 September 2013 19: 01 New
        +1
        Quote: Retired
        . They are all a victim! We need to ask the leaders of these Central Asian, Transcaucasian countries!
        Even so? Easy to be kind in the distance
        And not the same animals screamed Russian "go to your own Russia"
        When they themselves crawled, should I feel sorry for them?
  39. Drosselmeyer
    Drosselmeyer 16 September 2013 11: 14 New
    +1
    Hehe, the author did not see that the election was over. I just see how Muscovites sweep yards and live in basements. Do not tell, no one will do dirty work.
    1. Pensioner
      Pensioner 16 September 2013 12: 01 New
      -1
      Muscovites may not be revenge yards. But history repeats itself. Back in tsarist times, almost all janitors, shoemakers, shoe cleaners on the streets, and other unpleasant dirty petty works were performed by the Tatars. Jews were portals, lived in basements. Ukrainians, Ukrainians were in servants. Well and so on, according to their national inclinations, ties, they occupied niches of the lowest level of activity in the capital. And at the same time, they traded. What they could. Conscience, service, stolen information. For the sake of their children, to gain a foothold in the capital and give better conditions to their children. A century has passed. Their labors were not in vain. At the top, in show business, in government, in the media - now who? Tatars, Jews, Armenians, Ukrainians. Descendants of janitors, tailors, servants from imperial times. Therefore, this example inspires the Central Asian migrant workers. Their children, grandchildren - will also become influential people in the capital of Russia. They make sacrifices, humble themselves and revenge the courtyards, as once the Tatars, to be street cleaners. But they dream that their grandchildren, full-fledged citizens, already educated and cleverly cunning, will then rule these all Russians.
  40. mak210
    mak210 16 September 2013 11: 37 New
    +7
    We need to ask the leaders of these Central Asian, Transcaucasian countries!


    Oh, not only that. My close relatives barely took their feet from Bishkek-Frunze (they emigrated to the USA as religious refugees, they are Baptists). A house with a small plot almost in the center of the city (!) Was sold for 2 thousand dollars, it wasn’t given anymore, thanks the good Kirghiz weren’t killed. And on all the fences: "Russians - a suitcase, a train station, Moscow." I believe that this is not the leaders wrote? And it so happened that almost all the average technical personnel — Slavs, factories, and stood up, and the buys, as owners, were no better than our new Russians. And now, it turns out they have nowhere to work. In, squiggle. We also have to spare them, we must ask the uncle what words.

    Let me explain - I’m not an Natsik, with a bloody gebge, I didn’t even make out where and who.
    1. Pensioner
      Pensioner 16 September 2013 13: 05 New
      +1
      Leaders! Cultural culture, educated in Leningrad by Akayev, then introduced the first laws that non-Russian speakers, do not know the indigenous language, do not have any rights to citizenship, and therefore to their profession, property, private property and land use. And with this “face” - he incited ordinary people - to rob and crack down on Russian-speaking people, as on invaders and disenfranchised people. In Przhevalsk, where there were many Russians, the following happened: crosses were placed on the gates of Russian yards. So, these houses can be robbed with impunity. Przhevalsk was renamed to Karakol. They recalled to Przhevalsky the head of the old Kyrgyz in the St. Petersburg Kunstkamera. Classes in Russian were closed. Those who did not speak the indigenous language, did not give citizenship, and related rights. A mole without knowledge of the language is only for dirty work, where Kyrgyz knowledge is not required. Wipers! Industry has risen. Corruption, outrage, change of power repeatedly. Akayev was hiding in Russia. The Kirghiz themselves in the janitors here, in migrant workers in dirty black jobs, without knowledge of the Russian language, are hostages of their fellow countrymen who speak this Russian language. They are sold like slaves, either by piece or by brigades, to our bastards, like cheap labor. And all the money, according to the worked out scheme, goes to the very top. Where are all the people who manage this herd of sheep, "clean and influential political authorities" . Maybe all our peoples need it?
  41. South
    South 16 September 2013 11: 38 New
    +1
    like something else in the late 80s, one Uzbek "complained" to me - they say that they took all the warm places from us - they put the asphalt, they stand at the open-hearth, the poor Uzbek only has to trade kvass .....))))
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  43. evgeny1td
    evgeny1td 16 September 2013 12: 01 New
    +1
    I hope that Sobyanin will cope
    God help
  44. Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 16 September 2013 12: 03 New
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  45. AlexP47
    AlexP47 16 September 2013 12: 06 New
    +1
    The problem with migrants cannot be solved only at the regional level - it should be a centralized, coherent federal policy. In the meantime, we have leaky borders and a slurred position of the government. Apparently, until the next "Manezh" happen, everything will go down on the brakes and drag time. Entrance to Russia on passports from 2015 were about to enter! Woke up! Yes, it had to be done already from scratch 20 years ago!
  46. Serg 122
    Serg 122 16 September 2013 12: 11 New
    0
    Sure! They themselves taught that the "Muscovites" - this is the HIGHEST caste of people, and behind the Moscow Ring Road - he’s living vigorously - and now back to the janitors and plumbers?!? This will not happen !!!
    And then there’s no need to scribble That in Moscow there are normal people Yes, they are, but alas, not about them OUR power recourse
    1. Konsmo
      Konsmo 16 September 2013 13: 25 New
      0
      You’ve seen a lot of telly with glamorous characters and you still believe in fairy tales that all of Moscow lives like this. 10 percent live like this. The rest plow like Papa Carlo, although 20 percent earn very well from them. you are in poverty, for an apartment, electricity, a loan you have to pay not only when there is work.
      I have one brother looking for work in a store selling auto parts. (And I remembered 2 months later they called him and said that they threw him the head of the department mag., And they take him again to his place smile )
      Nah-graduate student got a job at a warehouse, work with a computer. 5 working days worked for them to reduce. Now run gouge out your salary in 5 days. good
      Another cousin lives under Sergiev Posad. He settled himself as an underpass tuner, such as a subway, digging tunnels. All veterans, hard workers ride on the Mercia. Salary 60000 rubles.
      I worked for half a year, the owners of the company began to share something, the company was pepez. The same should be the loot, for several months, how long it has been stretching. It is interrupted in the field, that is, the work is not.
  47. wei
    wei 16 September 2013 12: 38 New
    +3
    as usual idiotic idiocy
    - let's forbid them to revenge the streets and lay bricks ...
    we didn’t ask you that
    forbid to trade! get killer carriers off the road!
    don’t touch you ravshan janitor take the magician out of the market director of mountain goats on the Lexus catch ...
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 16 September 2013 12: 52 New
      +1
      Quote: wei
      don't touch you ravshan janitor

      I already wrote recently. “We touched” recently a rabbi of the janitor, made bookmarks with drugs in our house and in the yard, and two unattended cries stood. And nearby, within a radius of 100m, 3 schools and a college of mathematics. It’s a pity they took cops, and so would give them to those parents whose children got hooked on the “needle”.
      I can give an example. A married couple from Moldova, decorated with janitors, grabbed the plots, though the cleaning has long been "scored". Engaged in scrap metal, the benefit of the keys to their cellars and all the garbage in control. Monthly sent to Moldova 2 thousand. Euro, of course - taxes 0.
      1. wei
        wei 16 September 2013 14: 19 New
        0
        CONTROL is an integral part of (management) management
        unscrew the eggs of those who hired them and had to follow them
        I remembered the story of 2 passportists (conditionally received 1 or 2 years) for money legalized everyone in a row. That's evil in its purest form. 10 years to a judge for sentencing passports for 7 years of chemistry and newly made Russians as many (about them, by the way, they are silent among us) IMHO
  48. aszzz888
    aszzz888 16 September 2013 12: 43 New
    0
    Yes, they also propose that when entering the Russian Federation “on hand” each of the visiting workers should have at least 5 minimum wages.
  49. chushoj
    chushoj 16 September 2013 12: 49 New
    +1
    Strong rotten system impregnated with corruption, created by the great sage Luzhkov. This system is based on the desire of different Muscovites to be “masters”. This desire in the soul to have superiority is evident from the article, which consists of questions and hope alone. Sobyanin’s thought itself is not bad, but at the first stage it will also be fulfilled, like an invitation from Russians from neighboring republics. The invitation of village Russians will have worse consequences for the capital than from the Uzbeks. The very essence of the rot of the Luzhkov system is based not on the idea, but on the base animal sentiments of "people" to use superiority and have money from it. Real ideas will come after. A leader with education and experience must be noble and lead. The idea gives future money, and not vice versa.
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 16 September 2013 13: 22 New
      +3
      Quote: chushoj
      The invitation of the village Russians will have worse consequences for the capital than from the Uzbeks.

      That’s all nonsense. In a neighboring REU, a team of plumbers from Ivanovo works. They have been working on a rotational basis, for the 2nd year already, and not one complaint from the residents. Unlike jamshuts.
      I have only Muscovites in my team. Installers of t / tracks and heat points. They work for 25-30 thousand rubles. At the moment, in the trench, knee-deep in a clay slurry (after rains), the route is shifted. Now I’m adding and going to them.
  50. Konsmo
    Konsmo 16 September 2013 13: 04 New
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    It is necessary to start gradually. And not with janitors, otherwise the question will arise with housing. Now they live in the basement.
    And work in general is not bad. In terms of cleaning. We instructed the tiled porches to impose. The first series was immediately unsuccessful, a month later the whole tile fell. The second series is now observed, the walls in the cracks and slowly crumble.
    It is necessary to remove from construction sites. This is done two times. One is found at a construction site without citizenship. A fine of one million to the construction manager, the owner of the company, the chief accountant. 15 days of forced labor by these persons with a machine gun. Construction is frozen for 15 days. External security at the expense of the punished company.
    No company owner? In Dubai, the girls graze, the construction is frozen until it arrives and remains in prison for 15 days.
    This is for 1 time.
    Well, the second time it is possible to diversify greatly. He is loitering around the city figuring out the last place of work (where everyone lived and worked with a finger), at the expense of the company, a ticket home and a lift-aft 300 $ for the road. At the expense of the same company.
    And do not show raids on TV. The police themselves feed from the guests.
    I think the problem with the builders will disappear at a time.
    A large number of them live in cafes, restaurants, catering companies, and recently, in Shashlyk-Mashlyk, it is a large network of large restaurants. There are 20-30 people hanging out in the basement with a southern tan. Other things also live there. I observed a fight between the butchers, between by themselves, a terrible thing, they didn’t reach the axes well.
    With these same makar as with builders. While there are no epidemics in Moscow. Hands are not accepted from the southern guests.
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 16 September 2013 19: 40 New
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      Quote: Konsmo
      With these same makar as with builders. While there are no epidemics in Moscow. Hands are not accepted from the southern guests.

      That's for sure. First, it will scratch the causal place, then with the same hands it will wrap the shawarma.