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Ship repair threatens to lose their combat readiness

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August 27 commander of the North fleet Admiral Vladimir Korolev handed the personal standard to Rear Admiral Oleg Golubev, the new commander of the Kola Flotilla of diverse forces, who was appointed to this post by presidential decree No. 681 of August 16, 2013. I did not see much joy in the eyes of Oleg Vyacheslavovich. Too large, troublesome and neglected, he got the farm. And even the beautiful banner of the standard did not cover the nudity of the technical condition of the ships and submarines standing in the Polar at the berths. After all, most of them have a very respectable age. For example, the newest diesel-electric submarine B-177 "Lipetsk" of project 877 "Halibut" for more than 20 years. It entered the Kola Flotilla in March 1994 and has since been mercilessly exploited as the most combat-ready. The small rocket ship (according to the new classification - the corvette) of the Iceberg missile system is 34 years old. The Marine Minesweeper (MTSC) Mashinist is 38 years old, and the Komendor is almost 40. Their power plants include two lightweight fast diesel engines, and they also need major repairs. However, in this state are not only the ships of the Kola Flotilla, but also the entire Navy.


HOW WE LOSE YOUR FLEET

Even 10 years ago, out of more than 300 ships that were in the fleet, less than half were technically ready, every fourth was not technically ready, and every tenth was technically faulty.

By the decisions of fleet commanders, almost every second ship extended service life between repairs. Remaining as part of the combat-ready forces, they were exploited with various restrictions. Since then, every fifth ship has been enlisted in the reserve category of the second category, that is, excluded from service.

Now the money for the repair of ships appeared. But this does not mean that ships that are 20 or more years old will finally receive long-awaited repairs. There are no spare parts in warehouses, not to mention whole units and systems. Ordering them at enterprises that have never produced them before is the cost of time and additional funds for the development of design documentation, the creation of cooperation with suppliers of raw materials, the preparation of production - in a word, the creation of a production cycle from scratch. The easiest and most affordable way is to contact the companies that were originally engaged in the release of this technology. But to conclude a state contract without a tender means to violate the Federal Law No. 94-FZ “On placing orders for goods, works and services for state and municipal needs”. It is simply impossible to do.

Began preparing for the competition. A special commission was established to survey the technical condition of ships and naval vessels. It includes representatives of the Ministry of Defense, including the General Staff of the Navy, and the military-industrial complex. For almost a year, the commission worked tirelessly to determine the amount of repair work and the necessary amount of expenses for them. The order of repair was determined according to the list and nomenclature. In particular, this year, as reported by the General Staff of the Navy, more than 40 ships and vessels, which include diesel engines are located in the GEM, were subject to urgent repair.

As it became known from reliable sources in the Ministry of Defense, the military department made a compromise decision on the cost of work, taking into account the interests of the fleet, shipbuilders and ship repairmen. Based on the interests of the three parties, the minimum profitability in 7% was determined for certain types of repairs. All documentation with the results of the survey of ships and ships and the calculation of the cost of work was transferred to the Federal Agency for the supply of weapons, military, special equipment and materiel (Rosoboronpostavka) in the first quarter of the year 2013.

But September is already in the yard, and the Ministry of Defense has money, and contracts with repair companies have not yet been concluded, because Rosoboronpostavka took another six months to check, re-check and agree on a calculation. It was hoped that the officials of this department, who so scrupulously approached the organization of a closed auction, would erect an insurmountable obstacle to unscrupulous producers of goods and services on the way to the budget, create equal conditions for competing firms to develop the real sector of the economy and ultimately contribute to so that the Ministry of Defense will receive better products and services for less money.

Finally, a closed auction took place just at the time when Rear Admiral Oleg Golubev was given a personal standard. As a former diesel submariner, he, as well as other naval specialists, can only live and be happy that ships will receive quality repairs in the next three years. But instead of joy in the navy begins a quiet panic.

DOMINATION OF OFFICERS ON THE LIMIT OF REASONABLE

The auction from a formal point of view was organized flawlessly. But its actual side is puzzling with Navy specialists. In particular, they do not understand the criteria for the selection of participants in a closed auction and its results. It's one thing to choose performers to sweep the streets, and another is to repair complex machinery. In the Soviet Union, its production and repair were carried out in close cooperation, which, as you know, ordered everyone to live long. In Russia, there are only its islands, which are strictly focused on the release and warranty repair of a certain nomenclature. Some of them have design, design and repair documentation for diesel engines of one type, other enterprises repair power plants of a different type. And between themselves, they almost do not overlap. Attracting, for example, light high-speed diesel engines from aluminum to a company and firm that specialize in repairing power plants of other classes and types, is the same as entrusting a repair of a Mercedes OM942LA diesel engine to a self-made master from a garage cooperative. He, perhaps, will cope with his work, but its quality will be correspondingly “garage”. If in this case the private owner suffers - it will be his misfortune, and if the fleet’s combat readiness is undermined - the state’s misfortune, because the country's defense capability is at stake.

Something similar happened as a result of an auction held by Rosoboronpostavka. The winners of the auction for the repair of diesel engines type M500 and M50 were announced several companies. Won it, of course, those firms that offered the lowest price.

Thanks to the proposed cost of repairing ships and vessels of all four fleets and three fleets of heterogeneous forces, the budget of the Ministry of Defense will save almost half of the funds planned for repairs and included in the starting price of lots. The auction organizer and its winners in terms of reducing the initial price of the contract not only achieved, but even blocked the established international indicators in 15 – 20%. Thus, the profitability of enterprises, previously agreed with the Ministry of Defense, was unrecorded in the final price. Moreover, the new price assumes that enterprises will suffer losses from the fulfillment of this state defense order, since the budget funds received will suffice, perhaps, only for the purchase of repair kits and materials.

The financial side of the auction generally makes it impossible to implement. The fact is that the irrevocable bank guarantee provided to the Ministry of Defense for three years amounts to 80% of the starting price of lots. But now, when, as a result of the auction, the final prices are reduced by 40 – 60%, the bank guarantee exceeds the amount of contracts, which makes its provision impossible. In addition, if the bank still provides it, it risks losing its money. After all, under the terms of the auction, if the repair of at least one ship from more than 40 combat units is not executed strictly under the terms of the contract, all the money will go to the state.

And that repair will be completed, no doubt, apparently, only in Rosoboronpostavka. At least in the ship repair industry they do not recall the case when the repair time was strictly defined from beginning to end, and there is no time limit for putting the equipment into repair.

Neither the Main Committee of the Navy nor the Ministry of Defense today, under the terms of the contracts with the winners of the auction, are liable for the terms and methods of putting the equipment into repair. Thus, it is highly likely that enterprises will start repairing only on paper, but in reality its beginning will be delayed next year. In this case, the company simply does not meet the deadlines for the contract.

The concern of the seamen is also caused by the fact that the bidders do not have any idea about the technical condition of the equipment to be repaired. It turns out that the company purchased the cat in the bag. At the same time, they agreed with the firm price of the contract and the cost of a unit of work. No forces - except, of course, divine, for which, alas, too weak hope in our material world - cannot change these conditions. That is, neither an increase in energy tariffs, nor an increase in the price of their components and materials by counterparties, nor inflation in general during the contract period until the end of 2015 will be considered as reasons for an increase in the contract price. On the contrary, the customer can also reduce it if he considers it necessary, which cannot be explained.

The most pleasant part of the contract is getting an advance to prepare and start repairs. But the winners were warned that the lack of advance payment is not a reason for them to default on their obligations under the contract. Such conditions can be met by an enterprise that possesses the entire technological chain of production and repair, or a company that relies on counterfeit components and materials and therefore is not liable for the quality of repairs.

The officers who had previously served in the management of shipyards, in the main technical management and in the management of shipbuilding of the Navy, and also worked after the transfer to the reserve in the management of the shipbuilding industry of Rosprom, helped to restore the map of repair enterprises preserved in modern Russia. If you follow this map, it turns out that the winning firms of the auction, with one exception, do not have the full design, technological and repair documentation obtained by legal means from the enterprise-manufacturer of diesel power plants. And the General Staff of the Navy confirmed that today more than half of all ships that are part of the forces of constant readiness are equipped with diesel units of only one manufacturer. Therefore, during the repair process, it is unlikely that its competitors will conduct a full examination of the propulsion systems, determine which repair parts are suitable and which need replacement. At the same time, they will have a problem in purchasing original components for such specific diesel engines as the M500 and M50 diesel engines.

In Russia, now only one company manufactures original components for them. It is easy to assume that it will not sell them at a price below cost, if it agrees to sell at all. So, the winners of the auction will have to put on the engines of counterfeit components of unknown production and of unknown quality. As a rule, there is no guarantee for such products, and if the company now assures that it provides a guarantee for its work, this does not imply the provision of the full life cycle of the GEM of warships after repair.

FOR 27 MONTHS TO CATASTROPHE

Thus, the results of the auction contrasted sharply with the statements made by the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, Army General Sergei Shoigu, repeatedly during the year. For example, in February, at a meeting with representatives of enterprises of the military-industrial complex in Kazan, the head of the military department firmly stated that starting this year all contracts, especially for naval equipment, will have a life cycle.

In March, Sergei Shoigu repeated and developed this thesis at the military-industrial conference “Actual Issues of the Development of the Military-Industrial Complex of the Russian Federation”: “We would like to switch, first, to end-to-end contracts (life-cycle contracts) from manufacturing to recycling.” At the same time, he stressed: “We want to transfer capital and medium repairs to manufacturers”. According to Sergei Shoigu, such a system will allow minimizing the risks of poor-quality and untimely fulfillment of the planned tasks of the state defense order, increasing the technical readiness of the weapons, military and special equipment fleet to perform tasks for the intended purpose.

However, advocating for the qualitative fulfillment of the state defense order, the Ministry of Defense, for understandable reasons, is not eager to burden itself with the problems of pricing for products and services of defense enterprises. But if the Ministry of Defense pushes the topic of pricing from itself and does not want to deal with it, then it should repel those funds that are in the accounts of the Ministry of Defense, rightly noted at the operational meeting of 7 in August Dmitry Rogozin, head of the Military Industrial Commission.

Under the new provision on the military industrial complex, the Military-Industrial Commission is also relevant to the issue of pricing as the final arbiter in the event of a dispute. And such work under the leadership of the first deputy chairman of the military-industrial complex Ivan Kharchenko has already been organized within the framework of the pricing council. Its goal is to engage all stakeholders in the dialogue, including the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Industry and Trade, the Federal Tariff Service and other agencies. But the dialogue is not always possible.

Now this is precisely the situation in the organization of ship repair, when it is possible and necessary, figuratively speaking, to use the power. Moreover, the President of the Russian Federation restored the balance between industry and the Ministry of Defense and, according to Dmitry Rogozin, an understanding emerged of what the partner should think in this dialogue, what he is experiencing, what problems he has and how to stretch each other’s hands to get rid of these problems get out

But if such an understanding really exists, why was the Navy once again put on the brink of survival? In the dashing 90-e years of its ship composition was reduced by more than half due to lack of funds for repairs and maintenance of technical readiness. Today, the remainder of the payroll of warships is once again threatened by non-combat losses, now due to excessive zeal of officials who are far from the fleet. Repair almost 60% of the ships 2, 3 and 4 ranks under the terms of the auction can lead to disaster. The fleet will not receive combat ships in either two or three years. And in December, 2015 will ask: who is to blame?
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  1. Arabist
    Arabist 16 September 2013 15: 15 New
    +5
    Does repair undermine combat readiness? Well, we’ll close all shipyards in general and will not repair the fleet and we will be happy. The next article will be- "exercises undermine the combat effectiveness of the troops."
    1. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 16 September 2013 15: 38 New
      +1
      Repair, it happens in different ways. It happens planned, phased. And it’s an emergency. For example, here in the city before the holiday "City Day" all the tutars were opened and rolled up and the entire curb stone was changed, and do not care, there were sidewalks or old ones, all at once! Quality - we will take a look, but walking along the streets of the city was very difficult, traffic jams again increased. so it will be with the fleet too.
    2. Fin
      Fin 16 September 2013 16: 12 New
      +6
      Quote: Arabist
      Does repair undermine combat readiness? Well, we’ll close all shipyards in general and will not repair the fleet and we will be happy.

      You probably haven’t finished reading, the point is that random offices won repair contracts on the principle of "the main thing is to get involved in a fight, but we'll see." They have no idea what needs to be repaired, where to get spare parts, etc. And when the ship gets into the factory, they’ll sort it out and start scratching turnips, what to do, there is not enough money ... And then it will be: "Years passed, and the ship ...
      The problem of the Serdyukov reforms - the technical departments of the fleets dispersed.
      Here, not auctions are needed, but a contract with pre-agreed profitability, profit and cost of energy with the manufacturer.
      1. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 16 September 2013 20: 26 New
        +1
        Quote: Fin
        You probably haven’t finished reading, the point is that random offices won repair contracts on the principle of "the main thing is to get involved in a fight, but we'll see." They have no idea what needs to be repaired, where to get spare parts, etc.

        So we have built the entire state procurement system on this - the tender is called! Who declares a cheaper price - he does! Quality is secondary. For several years the whole country has been living like this ...
        1. My address
          My address 16 September 2013 21: 56 New
          +1
          Similarly in industry.
          Economic security boys and girls are watching for the tender to be won either by the cheapest or by those closest to them. And when the equipment begins to "crumble", these .... spread out handles. Office plankton STRANGE. And at the very top they support these - they say they save money, and what happened is an accident!
    3. Civil
      Civil 16 September 2013 17: 34 New
      +1
      The joker is an author, a businessman doesn’t give a damn about the country's defense capability, he has other goals, to squeeze out the loot and keep it at home, possibly doing nothing.
  2. ROA
    ROA 16 September 2013 15: 17 New
    +3
    I hope the fleet will be able to return to its former greatness.
    1. zanoza
      zanoza 16 September 2013 15: 30 New
      +6
      Quote: ROA
      ... past greatness.


      Past greatness(refers to the vessels listed in the article) you can, like the cruiser Aurora, but it’s not realistic to expect a modern-day great ship from a great-looking (20-40 years old) warship.
      Design and build, build and build new modern submarines and surface ships!
  3. Wedmak
    Wedmak 16 September 2013 15: 25 New
    0
    Repair of almost 60% of ships of the 2nd, 3rd and 4th ranks under the terms of the auction could lead to disaster. The fleet will not receive combat-ready ships in two or three years. And in December 2015, the question will be: who is to blame?

    Why suddenly such pessimism? Why would the fleet not get the ships back? Well, let's not repair, what's next? Drive the old people to blue and build new ones? And where to get new projects? Where to get money for them?
    No one says that all these 60% will go to repair at the same time, leaving a fleet with tugboats and boats. So the author is somehow out of place looking for the guilty one.
  4. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 16 September 2013 15: 32 New
    10
    They will find the culprits .. That's just that it’s not cold nor hot. I never understood the principle of these auctions (whoever bid the less and won) Absurdity is complete, and as for the Army and Navy this is generally sabotage and sabotage .. All this is sad! If such articles are written, maybe not everything is lost yet ..
    1. Arabist
      Arabist 16 September 2013 15: 35 New
      +3
      Yes, not all is lost. Guilty will find this the easiest, but it is unlikely that this will radically change the situation. As well as similar articles.
    2. military
      military 16 September 2013 15: 48 New
      +3
      Quote: MIKHAN
      I never understood the principle of these auctions ... it's generally sabotage and sabotage ..

      it is corruption ...
      1. alone
        alone 16 September 2013 21: 13 New
        +1
        where total corruption cannot be changed, because all those who must deal with problems look at all problems through the prism of their pocket thinking how to tear the tidbit for themselves from this problem.
  5. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 16 September 2013 15: 35 New
    +4
    I have said here more than once that sabotage and unwinding by the liberals of the military budget do not stop.
    Here, in general, “beauty”, a kind of competition, some winners-recipients of the budget and ...angry
    Well, how much more can you do persuading, tracking and flirting with the liberals ?!
    It is clear that there is no Stalin’s will, but is there really nothing at all? What then are all the cheeks on the international stage?
  6. Maks-80
    Maks-80 16 September 2013 15: 43 New
    +3
    To oblige all our oligarchs to voluntarily and forcibly build two aircraft carriers for the Russian Navy. And to threaten that in case of refusal, the fate of Khodorkovsky or Berezovsky will await them.
    1. Witch
      Witch 16 September 2013 16: 55 New
      +3
      The idea is good, but there is no political will for it ...
      For me, as a simple layman, it's better to finance a couple of strategists (who are underwater) ...
  7. max702
    max702 16 September 2013 15: 46 New
    +5
    The author writes that repair does not undermine combat readiness, but the fact that the "heir" repair undermines combat readiness, it took half a year to shake cuts and kickbacks and now we see the result, part of the money has already been stolen safely to the remaining docks and repairs will be taken apart and some parts will be purchased which is cheaper, and when the deadlines are right, they’ll shrug their hands just like right now with Sochi like they didn’t. They need more money and a lot because there is no time. This should be called sabotage and sabotage, and measures to suppress such phenomena should be taken accordingly. Comrade Stalin arranged a 37 year for good reason for good reason ..
  8. rudolff
    rudolff 16 September 2013 15: 50 New
    10
    Read the article carefully! The point is not that repairs are not needed, but that repair contracts are obviously “unrealistic”. First of all, in terms of time, and second in terms of quality. A fixed price for an unknown amount of repair work is nonsense. Or profanity. Contracts with enterprises that offered a lower price for components than the manufacturer! Here, it’s just right to begin to complete the investigation team in advance. The author is right, this is a time bomb.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 16 September 2013 16: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: rudolff
      Here, it’s just right to begin to complete the investigation team in advance.

      Why is it needed? Everything is done according to the law, you won’t dig, the other thing is that the laws do not allow these laws to choose a contractor based on the combination of price and quality.
  9. Koronik
    Koronik 16 September 2013 16: 02 New
    0
    It is certainly difficult to restore and carry out repairs, but do not forget that the best remained abroad when the Union collapsed (Ukraine, Uzbekistan, the Baltic states). Everything will be in Russia and new ships and new planes, new towns in the north and airfields.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 16 September 2013 16: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: Koronik
      but do not forget that the best remained abroad during the collapse of the union (Ukraine, Uzbekistan, the Baltic states)

      Seriously? Damn, we got some garbage, I knew that. crying
      1. max702
        max702 16 September 2013 17: 20 New
        0
        But by and large it is, compare in what conditions they served in the Baltic states and somewhere in Siberia? I don’t speak about GBV at all, in 94 I talked with tankers withdrawn from Germany to the swamps near Tchaikovsky, according to them there the tanks were in heated boxes in which there were built-in oil and fuel lines, it’s no secret that during the USSR, denyuzhka was swelled in the outskirts of the union mainly to the western and southern ones, and not to the Russian hinterland, moreover, that in military affairs it is in the national economy. Right now, for this mistake the Soviet leaders pay.
      2. Cristall
        Cristall 16 September 2013 18: 14 New
        0
        Well, even in the picture of the RK "Ukraine" at the "Shipyard named after 61 Communards"
        in general, Nikolaev himself was created back in the Republic of Ingushetia for shipbuilding. Historically, under the USSR they only continued.
        All armadillos, battleships and cruisers of the Black Sea Fleet of RI, the USSR were built there.
  10. slacker
    slacker 16 September 2013 16: 03 New
    +4
    It is necessary to nationalize all defense industry enterprises. Their return from private ownership under state control will be able to streamline their work, reduce costs and return to the planned production, repair and maintenance of all types of weapons.
  11. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 16 September 2013 16: 05 New
    +2
    Ha ha ha ha!laughing
    Some liberalist has wandered on a branch and well to minus. There are no thoughts of their own, from where liberals have thoughts, there are only cliches. As M.E. Saltykov-Shchedrin called it: "an organ in the head." laughing
    hi
  12. b-130
    b-130 16 September 2013 16: 15 New
    +2
    The last word on repair contractors should be with the Fleet !!! Then there is hope, although the liberals have already leaked into the Navy .... Sadly ...
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  14. Mosen6Ish
    Mosen6Ish 16 September 2013 16: 23 New
    +5
    Why be surprised? Such garbage has long been ubiquitous.
    Small firms arrive - knocking down the price of repairs, then they either make through the ass or beg for more money. And I get money for the work that has not been done - the shop also needs to close by the dough ... And they go to "master" a new facility.

    Autotransformer repair. Always did one special firm. No - "we will do it on our own." A team of lame, wretched and ... bov from TMX came - tel 12 and as a result of the trance flowed right away - they didn’t change the tire either.

    It took 4 years to see the conclusions reached - they hired a special firm (one remained from subchikov - the rest was of the type "on its own" - it’s stupid to replace it with anyone) - 3 !!! people in 1,5 times less time did 1,5 times more work. They changed everything that they asked for - they bought spare parts themselves. Trans stands like new ...
    But here we are .. - production, not defense. And how not to recall the "personal responsibility of the leader" under I.V. Stalin ...
    The bureaucrats stupidly snickered. Plant, shoot, in labor camps - depending on the "merit".

    PS Communicated with the supplier of pressure gauges - says they lost the tender - put everything in accordance with the requirements of the customer, also threw it off. In addition to them, there is no cheaper (3 plants do, the rest are farmers). The question is where will these friends buy, how much will they cook and what will they put?
    1. Witch
      Witch 16 September 2013 16: 58 New
      +2
      And how can one not recall the frequent cases of crossing through zero at the auction ....
  15. Walking
    Walking 16 September 2013 17: 51 New
    +1
    The law itself disposes to corruption, who accepted it?
  16. rks5317
    rks5317 16 September 2013 18: 14 New
    +2
    Again, everything comes out on ChernomOrdin-We wanted the best, but it turns out, well ... pa !!!
  17. Igarr
    Igarr 16 September 2013 18: 37 New
    0
    Well, not a gram of it does not surprise me.
    Still Oleg Vyacheslavovich Golubev rejoiced.
    They handed him a standard.
    And, not for the general hearing - they said ... although it’s yalova, but calves. We, damn it, begin to defend the Novosibirsk Islands.
    And you, damn you can’t cope with the repair?
    .
    Only with ship repair, or something, such a mess?
    Everywhere and without exception.
    Laws adopted dofiga. And who took it, we also know.
    Well, the result ....... Chernomyrdin in its purest form.
    .
    And someone got their 20% clean .... and without any liability.
    Where is the Accounts Chamber ??? Aw-oooh?
  18. michajlo
    michajlo 16 September 2013 18: 38 New
    +3
    Quote: Mosen6Ish
    Why be surprised? Such garbage has long been ubiquitous.
    Small firms arrive - knocking down the price of repairs, then they either make through the ass or beg for more money. And I get money for the work that has not been done - the shop also needs to close by the dough ... And they go to "master" a new facility.

    Autotransformer repair. Always did one special firm. No - "we will do it on our own." A team of lame, wretched and ... bov from TMX came - tel 12 and as a result of the trance flowed right away - they didn’t change the tire either.

    It took 4 years to see the conclusions reached - they hired a special firm (one remained from subchikov - the rest was of the type "on its own" - it’s stupid to replace it with anyone) - 3 !!! people in 1,5 times less time did 1,5 times more work. They changed everything that they asked for - they bought spare parts themselves. Trans stands like new ...
    But here we are .. - production, not defense.
    And how not to recall the "personal responsibility of the leader" under I.V. Stalin ...
    The bureaucrats stupidly snickered. Plant, shoot, in labor camps - depending on "merit"
    ".

    PS Communicated with the supplier of pressure gauges - says they lost the tender - put everything in accordance with the requirements of the customer, also threw it off. In addition to them, there is no cheaper (3 plants do, the rest are farmers). The question is where will these friends buy, how much will they cook and what will they put?

    Good afternoon, dear Alexey!
    I completely agree with you. good Otherwise it is impossible.

    And I’ll add on my own. And constantly listen to the whining of experienced military professionals and those interested in technology that they say that here again the Stalinists, provocateurs or revolutionaries are messing around on a military site, but what can be done, dear, if ANY military, technical, educational and generally any problem rests on me highlighted YOUR CONCLUSIONS, i.e. "personal responsibility" / more precisely ITS LACK.

    But it should not begin with a janitor and cleaner, but from the Guarantor, the Prime Minister, the Ministers and others, "sweating the face of a heavily stealing brotherhood."
  19. coserg 2012
    coserg 2012 16 September 2013 19: 05 New
    +2
    Once we were taught, all work begins with the setting of the task. Who organized these auctions? Why in the conditions not: QUALITY-PRICE-TIME, but only who will take less. Here the dog is buried. "Loafer" writes in the comments about nationalization. In the late 80s, I saw enough of our cps when they started working from 8 and actually from 10, and ended at 17 but really at 16. Ships from 2 to 6 years stuck in the repair. So no need .... horseradish radish is not sweeter .
  20. Severok
    Severok 16 September 2013 22: 55 New
    +3
    What did you think? The Law on Public Procurement and Public Procurement is directly treacherous! For there cannot be a quality thing or service to be cheap! No way! Auctions for the repair of strategic facilities are ridiculous! When determining the contractor for work at strategic facilities, they are now guided by the minimum prices - what is this if not a direct betrayal of the interests of the state? They reached perfection - about a month and a half ago in the media there was information that guest workers from neighboring countries were attracted (!!!) to the Strategic Missile Forces (!)! Among which were intelligence officers of interested states! Let’s let the guest workers go to the fleet too ?! They can only work for Doshirak!
  21. michajlo
    michajlo 17 September 2013 00: 03 New
    +1
    Quote: coserg 2012 Today, 19:05
    Once we were taught, all work begins with the setting of the task. Who organized these auctions? Why in the conditions not: QUALITY-PRICE-TIME, but only who will take less. Here the dog is buried. "Loafer" writes in the comments about nationalization. In the late 80s, I saw enough of our cps when they started working from 8 and actually from 10, and ended at 17 but really at 16. Ships from 2 to 6 years stuck in the repair. So no need .... horseradish radish is not sweeter .

    Good evening, dear nickname! Sorry, I don’t know how to call you by name?

    You compare the current “wrestling with the knee-elbow position of the country” with the “bad model”, since the 80s and their end were already the last nails in the USSR’s coffin, driven by the “traitors of the Motherland” under beautiful slogans and systematic level deterioration life and deliberate provocation of discontent of people themselves socialism.

    In my opinion it is necessary to be equal to the statement of tasks, its solution and personal responsibility in the 40s and early 50s (until 1954). good Then for some reason they quickly replaced the incapable with the working, everyone was responsible, just like the creators and organizers received prizes and awards, and not "party sharkuns on the floor."
    In general, you must first look at the details well if any of us wants to take parts from the 70-80s as a role model.