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How Ukrainians organized revolutions all over the world

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How Ukrainians organized revolutions all over the world

“I left the hut, I went to war, to give the land to the peasants in Grenada ...” These popular lines from the song to the verses of Mikhail Svetlov became the motto for many ideological revolutionaries who fought "for our and your freedom" somewhere in foreign oceans and seas. Floating through rough waters stories Ukraine turned out to be connected with the biographies of many such “Che Guevar”: partisans, volunteer soldiers, legionaries and intelligence officers. Over the years, they lived in our country, and then fought on different continents: in Spain, in Latin America, in Africa and in Vietnam, often giving their lives for their ideals. They were not mercenaries who fought for money or for power, they learned different languages ​​and sang Ukrainian songs in foreign mountains and jungles. What kind of people were these? Do they remember them today, and how did their unusual fates, each of which could serve as a plot for an action-packed film or an adventure novel?


The fate of the Vietnamese partisan Immortal

Vietnamese partisans Fedor Bessmertny was born in the small village of Buzovaya near Kiev. In the 1942 year, when the teenager was 15 years old, the Nazis beat the young Fedya in front of his relatives and took them away in a boxcar for livestock. Fedor wrote home that he lived in a camp behind barbed wire, from where he was only taken to work. After the war, the Immortal waited near Kiev, but his trail was lost. Years passed, and there was no news from him. However, fate did not rush to bury a man with such an extraordinary surname. After the collapse of Hitler's Germany, the former “guest worker” joined the French Foreign Legion - the famous mercenary unit, where they were accepted into the service without even asking for their real name. Their motto was: “The Legion is our fatherland,” and they were strongly inspired to the newcomers: the punishment for desertion would be execution.

The Legion was famous for its brutal military drill, but Fedor successfully completed a training session in Algeria among the sands of the Sahara desert. Soon he was sent to war in Indochina, where the inhabitants of Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia rebelled against the French colonial authorities. Part of the Foreign Legion was thrown at the suppression of the partisans, but the Vietnamese were able to surround them near the village of Dien Bien Fou, where the French army suffered one of the most severe defeats in its history.

However, Fyodor the Immortal was not captured. Earlier, he, along with two colleagues went into the jungle and voluntarily went over to the side of the Vietnamese partisans. “I am not a punisher. I was looking at the killings of the Vietnamese and could not participate in it, I could not shoot people against the wall, ”the cousin Zinaida Mishchenko told Fyodor the words of“ Today ”.

The fugitives joined the 207 Battalion of the Vietnamese Revolutionary Army, where other runaway legionnaires — the Poles, the Czechs, and the Germans — had already fought. In the jungle, the Immortal was given the nickname "Lien So" - "Soviet". He was a demolition man, taught the partisans to deal with the French weapons and got two medals. Fyodor loved Ukrainian songs and translated his battalion's anthem into the Russian: “Who once crossed the turbulent waves of the Nine Dragons River ...”. Partisan Nguyen Thi Vinh, who lost her right hand in battles with the French, became his wife and gave birth to a son, who received the name Nikolai-Viet Immortal. In 1958, Fedor returned to his homeland with his son and wife. Her name was here affectionately Vinechka - she, despite the crippled hand, was famous on the collective farm for her work ethic. Already after death the photos of the Immortal decorated the village museum.

"The company named Shevchenko" fought in the fields of Spain

In 1936, the Spanish military, with the support of local fascists, revolted against the Republican government in Madrid. The putschists relied on the support of Hitler and Mussolini, who sent them weapons and troops. In response, thousands of anti-fascists came to the aid of the Spanish government, including a number of world-famous celebrities - American writer Hemingway, Mexican artist Siqueiros, and an outstanding Canadian surgeon Norman Bethune. However, today they practically do not recall that our countrymen, Ukrainians from Volhynia and Galicia, actively participated in the Spanish Civil War.

The story is full of irony: today, people from this region are massively going to Spain as employees. And then, in the 30-s, hundreds of volunteers from the Communist Party of Western Ukraine illegally, overcoming mountain ranges, made their way to the Iberian Peninsula to fight against fascism. Two Ukrainians, the Hutsul Dmitry Zakharuk and the Volyn citizen Simon Krayevsky, made a daring escape from the Polish prison in Dubno to get to the war.

In Spain, they joined the "Taras Shevchenko Company" - a special company formed from Ukrainian volunteers. It was not only the Communists who fought in it, but also the former soldiers of the armies of Petlura and Wrangel. Our volunteers became famous there not only for their stamina in the battles, but also for the Ukrainian songs that they liked to make in the ranks, marching through Spanish soil. The company published the Borotba newspaper; its editor was a Lviv student, Yuri Velikanovich, a native of the Carpathian town of Turk. “Ukrainians, linking the present with the heroic struggle of the past era, created a company named after Shevchenko. The poet, a prisoner of royal casemates, rises on the wide fields of Spain, ”wrote a young man who himself was a poet, writing poetry in Ukrainian and Spanish in a notebook.

Velikanovich died in the 1938 year, during a battle on the Ebro River, dividing the fate of most of the fighters of the Ukrainian company, whose courage delighted the Spaniards. In 80-ies in honor of the poet called Lviv street, which was a school with in-depth study of the Spanish language. Nearby is a monument to the work of the famous sculptor Theodosia Brig, she captured Velikanovich in an exotic form for us of the Spanish Republican, with a book of poems in her hand. But then Lviv authorities renamed Velikanovich Street, and his monument was desecrated by local Nazis more than once. They tried to cut off the head to the monument, painted their lips, eyes and nails, sketched with a swastika and filled it with a paint carved on the stone.

The vandals probably did not know that during the restructuring a television movie “Shevchenko’s Company” appeared on the screens, according to the script of the “suchurklit” classic, writer Yurka Pokalchuk. He dedicated his only novel to Ukrainian volunteers in Spain - “I at once, and envoy”. And he was the first to compare Lviv volunteers with Ernesto Che Guevara, an Argentine revolutionary who unselfishly fought for the freedom of distant Cuba, and then lay down his head in Bolivia.

African partisans trained near Odessa

Ronnie Kasrils, the future intelligence minister of the Republic of South Africa, was born in the city of Johannesburg, into a Jewish family whose ancestors fled from pogroms from Tsarist Russia. But for five years he lived in Odessa, where he was taught a partisan and unique Odessa surzhik.

His youth came at the beginning of the era of apartheid. Having come to power, white South African nationalists drove the black population of South Africa into “Bantustans” and turned the majority of the country's inhabitants into slaves without rights. Black did not have the right to drive near the white car in the front seat, for Africans access to all public places of whites - including cinema, stadiums, beaches and toilets - was denied. Even sex between members of different races became a crime for which they gave a prison sentence.

Young Ronnie in Johannesburg led a bohemian life, visiting fashionable concerts and parties. Born white, he belonged to the privileged stratum of South African society. However, the apartheid order provoked a protest in the young man. After police opened fire on a peaceful demonstration of black Africans, shooting dozens of people, Casrils joined the African National Congress. After the arrest of Nelson Mandela, he goes underground, and gains the reputation of an elusive revolutionary who the special services of the apartheid regime tried in vain to catch.

Kasrils became one of the organizers of the combat units of the African National Congress, known as the “Spear of the Nation”. And in 1964, he travels to Ukraine, where he was trained by African partisans in a special secret camp near Odessa. Years later, in his biographical book: “Armed and dangerous. From underground struggle to freedom, the South African intelligence minister said that it was here, in Odessa, that his black comrades were amazed and touched by the warm attitude of the locals: “For the first time, almost everyone in our large group enjoyed the care and hospitality of white people” . Odessans called African revolutionaries "black inhabitants of Odessa" and taught them to wear footcloths, which were never seen by people from South Africa. The morals of the Soviet society were also a wonder for them. Noticing that the Africans were passionate about “western” music, the Soviet political director Chubinikian impressed with indignation: “Revolution is not rock and roll!”. Life in Odessa was liked by the “Spear of the Nation” militants. "For my colleagues, the general standard of living was so much higher than the conditions in which they lived in South Africa, that Odessa seemed to be a paradise compared to this," - writes Kasrils. Once, African revolutionaries were invited to speak in front of schoolchildren. And when they told about the living conditions in the “Bantustans” for blacks, the Odessa pioneers immediately offered to raise money for them. Local university students talked about poetry with Robert Burns with Kasrils, and then took him to collect watermelons. For the first time in their lives, black Africans visited the Opera House and museums - nobody let them go home. Several militants brought passionate love affairs with Odessans. As a result, underground workers from South Africa even began to speak among themselves on a bizarre mixture of Russian, English and Afrikaans. This Odessa-African surzhik sounded like the modern translation of gangster films. For example, to the question: “How are you?”, Casrils answered: “It's khorosho, ma bra!”.

The only disappointment for African revolutionaries was the Odessa Zoo, where then there were very few exotic animals. "One of our comrades, who was more worried about Odessa than the animals, argued that a free South Africa should provide Soviet zoos with many lions and elephants," Kasrils recalled with laughter.

Years later, after brutal armed struggle, this generation of “Black Odessans” managed to topple the apartheid regime. Released from prison, Nelson Mandela became president of South Africa and gave Casrils a ministerial portfolio. They even sang the anthem of the “Spear of the Nation” militants together, which led to a political scandal: they tried to accuse the white Kasrils of “black racism” for this. And the legendary revolutionary maintains friendly relations with his Soviet friends. And even now, in retirement, she likes to talk to them in her colorful “Odessa” language.

Hero of Cuba and Kiev - Metropolitan Aviator Student

“Cuba is far, Cuba is far — no, Cuba is near!” Soso Pavliashvili once sang. And few people know that Ukraine is closely connected with the fate of the hero of the Republic of Cuba, posters, which still adorn the central streets of Havana and Santiago.

Cuban Antonio Guerrero Rodriguez came to Kiev in 1978. He was born in the American city of Miami, where his father, a former baseball player, came to work. In Ukraine, a young Cuban studied at the Kiev Institute of Civil aviation. Antonio led the local community of Cuban students, who then often came to study in the Soviet Union. Rodriguez danced salsa beautifully, taught Ukrainians to play baseball, which his father was fond of, read poetry to girls and traveled with a student squad to completely non-tropical Siberia. But Antonio did not lose interest in politics, because his generation absorbed the energy of the Cuban revolution. Engineer Vladimir Tsivilev, who shared a dorm room with him, talked about the hot night discussions that the Cubans had - their roommates: Antonio Guerrero Rodriguez and Ernesto Ontivero Walls. Subsequently, a Kiev student Ernesto went as a volunteer to Angola, where he died fighting on the side of African revolutionaries. And Antonio returned after studying in Cuba and took up the construction of airfields. One of the photographs shows how he explains the intricacies of the construction of the runway to the Cuban leader Fidel Castro himself.

But then in the fate of the engineer there was a sharp turn. In September 1998, Antonio Guerrero Rodriguez was arrested along with four other Cubans in his native Miami. He was accused of transmitting information about the preparation of attacks on Cuba, which were carried out by extremists from the radical wing of the emigrants who had left the island. Antonio was convicted for this for life plus ten years in prison. The trial of the "Cuban Five" caused a great response: many Americans were wondering why the authorities had not imprisoned the terrorists, but those who had warned about the preparation of their crimes? Under pressure from the public, the Court of Appeal in Atlanta County reversed the guilty verdict against the Cubans, but the struggle for the release of Antonio continues. And the prisoner himself writes poems in prison, paints pictures and conducts classes with criminal inmates, teaching them to read and write.

Today in Kyiv hostel No.5, on Borschagovskaya Street, a sign hangs on the doorway of Room No.225: “The Hero of Cuba Antonio Guerrero Rodriguez lived here.” And in the Museum of NAU there is an entire exposition devoted to him, where books and drawings by Antonio are kept, as well as the text of the decree of the Cuban Parliament on conferring on him the title Hero of Cuba.
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  1. pinecone
    pinecone 25 September 2013 08: 39 New
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    How Ukrainians organized revolutions all over the world

    Explicit exaggeration. We took part, but certainly did not "arrange".
    1. smile
      smile 25 September 2013 13: 25 New
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      pinecone
      And basically it was people who considered themselves Soviet people — we were one people, and Soviet Ukrainians did not think that they lived in a separate country ... like that, men, twenty years of independence have passed, and even in good articles, travel phrases appear Ukrainian state on the stormy waves of history ....
      By the way, the slogan “For our and your freedom” was coined by Polish nationalists. raised a rebellion in 1830 with the goal of restoring the Rzeczpospolita within the borders of mozh to mozh and restoring the arbitrariness of the gentry .... since then this slogan has been consistently used exclusively in Russophobic propaganda during any anti-Russian speech, one hand of a master is felt ... or rather, the style one school ...
  2. Kosatka
    Kosatka 25 September 2013 10: 43 New
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    All recent revolutions of Ukrainians were made only in Ukraine itself. And they were carried out only for Salo, for the sake of BARIG OLIGARCHS, at the prompting and help, homies of EUROGEEV and the US regional committee. It seems that in the territory called Ukraine, the last 22 years without stopping, not for a day, they are acting, and they are forced to live according to their own concepts, continuous sabotage-PARTISAN detachments, or, more precisely, BANDS. Such damage, devastation and loss on this territory has not happened since the time of the Great Patriotic War.
    1. mazepa
      mazepa 25 September 2013 11: 00 New
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      Drove to power. I'm sure you voted for them, Sevastopol so for sure.
      1. Kosatka
        Kosatka 25 September 2013 11: 47 New
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        Personally, I and the vast majority of my friends, and not only in Sevastopol, did not vote for them. This pack came to power deceiving, as always, their voters, by which they all won the vote. Rapprochement in all areas with Russia, the status of the Russian language as the second state language, the debunking of the "heroes" of the UNA, UPA, and all the henchmen of fascism, um, etc. Everything that these people sang about before the election, everything was done.
        By the way, Sevastopol is the only city in this territorial formation under the nickname Ukraine, all 22 years of Ukraine’s independence, Sevastopol’s are not allowed to elect their mayor. According to the Ukrainian constitution, a presidency from Kiev is appointed by GAULYADER to Sevastopol.
        1. cyber_punk
          cyber_punk 25 September 2013 14: 26 New
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          It is not surprising that they are deceiving. You are illiterate and backward, how can such a voter not be deceived by the President. Engage in self-education, they may stop cheating. Ugh, well, a disgrace.
          1. smile
            smile 25 September 2013 17: 43 New
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            cyber_punk
            I think that you have nothing to object to from the point of view expressed, right? It is precisely because of powerlessness that you begin to find fault with the spelling of your opponent? :)) to be honest, a competent tiligent broadcasting liberal or independent nonsense causes disgust ... especially the tiligent who seeks to get to the European panel as quickly as possible ... although, of course, that’s where he belongs .. :)))
            So there will be objections in the text, or what? :)))
          2. _Forgiven_
            _Forgiven_ 25 September 2013 22: 39 New
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            And you, I look very literate found? Like you are sitting in chocolate and everything is fine in Russia and butterflies flutter in your house beautiful? There is no need to make excuses and insult people here
        2. mehmeh
          mehmeh 7 December 2014 13: 35 New
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          In general, the Ukrainians are Russian than what are different?
          The answer is simple Russophobia
          The future of Ukraine is Nazism, otherwise problems with self-identification,)))
          And if Nazism is the end of Ukraine
      2. _Forgiven_
        _Forgiven_ 25 September 2013 22: 33 New
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        And it was not necessary to vote. For example, I did not go to any elections, because everything had already been decided there without us. Actually, we had no one to choose from. Some were already in power and what did they achieve? Gas at 529 per thousand cubic meters and a bunch of monuments to the famine. Some are better than others
    2. cyber_punk
      cyber_punk 25 September 2013 14: 22 New
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      You better tighten the Russian language before telling about Ukrainians. You should be stoned for insulting your native language.
      1. Kosatka
        Kosatka 25 September 2013 17: 50 New
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        Dear sorry for a couple of annoying mistakes. And at the expense of stoning for "insults" or simply speaking in Russian. You are far from the first. There have already been cases in the western regions. Children from Russian-speaking families, veterans of the Second World War and the Supreme Soviet of the USSR for talking on the Mos Kalskaya MOVE were repeatedly attacked. Look at how the performances are held in the Rada, it is worth starting to speak from the rostrum to the deputy in Russian, the “SERVANT OF THE PEOPLE” hall muffles them with his roar. Most of these “SERVANTS OF THE PEOPLE” in parliament, scored passing points on campaign promises, which they later successfully forgot. Throwing your voters. You can talk about Ukrainians infinitely much like any other people, good and bad. But I, my children, grandchildren and my parents (parents came to rebuild the city at the end of 1945, father from Dnepropetrovsk, mother from Krasnodar) live and work in Sevastopol. It’s painful and insulting to watch what this Shobla BARYG did for 22 years with Ukraine and its people.
        1. Old_kapitan
          Old_kapitan 25 September 2013 18: 15 New
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          Not so long ago, in a zapadenschina, a Kharkov guy was beaten half to death, who spoke with the locals in the excellent Ukrainian language, but who dared to declare that he still considered his native Russian. Like this.
          But there is nothing to crumble a loaf of bread for Sevastopol residents - on one of the visits (and it was during the height of the orange camarilla) I asked local people in Ukrainian for interest. So they didn’t beat me up — they carefully listened and answered, and even tried in Ukrainian! Feel the difference.
          1. Technocrat
            Technocrat 25 September 2013 20: 29 New
            +5
            I sympathize with the kid, if it’s true, there is in every country, I won’t reveal the big truth, but in Russia they can also be killed for being Russian.
            There are entire regions where, to put it mildly, Russians are not very fond of.
  3. apostol88
    apostol88 25 September 2013 10: 59 New
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    They would shoot a modern film. I would love to watch it! good
  4. albanech
    albanech 25 September 2013 11: 55 New
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    Quote: pinecone
    How Ukrainians organized revolutions all over the world

    Explicit exaggeration. We took part, but certainly did not "arrange".


    It’s better not to say!
  5. sigizmund472
    sigizmund472 25 September 2013 12: 02 New
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    Quote: pinecone
    How Ukrainians organized revolutions all over the world

    Well, what have the UKRAINIANS to do with ??? For the sake of a red word? Then, in the footsteps of the Spanish events of the late 30s, it is necessary to write an article under the same name, but changing "Ukrainians" to Czechs, French, Americans, Poles, etc. Volunteers traveled to Spain from all over the planet. Time was like that and people were like that. And how many Russians fought in Spain on the side of the Republicans? And how many revolutionaries from different countries and continents were trained in different parts of the USSR, and not only in Ukraine? The article is good, about decent people, but the author clearly let us down with the title of the article. Because of the name I wanted to put the article “minus”, but for the sake of the people we are talking about - the hand does not rise.
    1. cyber_punk
      cyber_punk 25 September 2013 14: 32 New
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      The title of the article implies that it is dedicated to immigrants from Ukraine. She in no way refutes the participation of representatives of other nationalities and countries in those events.
      1. chehywed
        chehywed 25 September 2013 15: 16 New
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        Quote: cyber_punk
        The title of the article implies that it is dedicated to immigrants from Ukraine.


        Ronnie Casrils, future secretary of intelligence for the Republic of South Africa, born in the city of Johannesburg, in a Jewish family ... Cuban Antonio Guerrero Rodriguez came to Kiev in 1978 year. He was born in american city miami.

        This is when South Africa and the United States became Ukrainian? Think when you’re casting a bullet.
  6. Technocrat
    Technocrat 25 September 2013 12: 09 New
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    The article honestly did not impress, the author clearly lacks literary "talents" at the level of "Scythian" and "Boval". Any good word about Ukraine and its citizens is mauvais ton on this site.
    A lot of sarcasm, mockery, it is desirable to make fun of culture, language, history, the words non-fallow (independent), nenka (mother) Svidomity (a clear hint that the whole world is der.mo and only one people are white and fluffy), bandernya, zapadenschina are obligatory to use , Ukrogaster, etc.
    1. smile
      smile 25 September 2013 13: 35 New
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      Technocrat
      Well, how else to relate to the fact that during the period of independence, that in some months at the beginning of the 20th century, that after the war, that for the last 22 years, the apologists for independence were either outright bandits, extortionists of Austro-Hungarian, Nazi, and then other intelligence, or just Russophobia, whose purpose is to quarrel Ukrainians with Russia, even by sending Ukraine to the European panel?
      1. Technocrat
        Technocrat 25 September 2013 13: 58 New
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        So I see the mass exodus of Russians from Ukraine.
        For a remark, the last 4 years in power in Ukraine, people who were very dear to them in their time and supported in the Kremlin. There were strong kisses, hugs, two- or three-time premature congratulations on the victory, and lo and behold, after a while we all find out that these are apologists for the euro ... oh, I’m sorry I forgot it isn’t accepted here, the GAY European orientation, zapadentsy, banderlog.
        1. smile
          smile 25 September 2013 17: 35 New
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          Technocrat
          And where does the mass exodus of the Russians and the fact that they are self-styled are themselves? Is this your anti-aircraft maneuver? The fact that the Ukrainian people and ours made a choice in favor of the team of Yanukovych, and he threw us and the Ukrainian people just perfectly illustrates. what are the independents and those who seized power in Ukraine ...
          Indicate the reasons for your dissatisfaction with what you don’t like — I explained why we don’t like the policy of the independent people (about Bandera cannibals and Austro-Hungarian mongrels, and so, I think, everything is clear).
          You just expressed dissatisfaction with the fact that we call the autocrats exactly those names that they deserve, sympathizing with the Ukrainian people, who inherited the most from its "national elite" .. so what's the matter, huh?
          1. Technocrat
            Technocrat 25 September 2013 20: 41 New
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            And I personally do not like the policies of the current “imperials” and apologists of the “Russian world”, with their manic desire to drag someone somewhere. Speaking figuratively, the Kremlin’s policy resembles the tactics of a seedy village groom from whom normal brides shy away, so he eats everyone promises and promises to lure him to bed.
            1. smile
              smile 25 September 2013 21: 20 New
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              Technocrat
              We have a chance for security only with an active foreign policy — self-isolation, the transition to a policy of unilateral concessions and a disregard for that. that our brotherly nations, contrary to their will, make cancer and force them to become our enemies, the road to nowhere. We are not pulling anyone anywhere. we strive for allied coexistence, in which each of the parties on a mutually beneficial basis provides itself with both military and political security. And perhaps this is only part of the coalition. What’s wrong with that, the rejection of such a policy, the death of the spinning country will stop spinning and fall to the side .... whores shy away from us. whom the pimp will beat with a stick if she wants to love ... yes, the pimp is richer than us, but he will never share with the whore, he only knows how to take and with it she is doomed to the absence of a normal family ... while the pimp makes the whore also try with we fight, with a completely predictable result ... how do you like this interpretation? So you are clearer the position of the Imperials
              I apologize in advance to everyone whom I could inadvertently offend with an incorrect comparison - this is just an answer to an equally incorrect comparison of my opponent. In international law, this is called "reprisals" :)))
      2. general
        general 26 September 2013 16: 32 New
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        Oh, my. God!!!
        A set of stamps “self-advocates of apostles”, “Austro-Hungarian feeding males”, “European panel” ...
        Tell Smile, will you ever begin to communicate not according to the training manual, not to stranger's hackneyed patterns? All those present on this site understand that here is the battlefield of media battle, in fact, military action. You and I, for example, are opponents.
        Used weapons: word, thought.
        Who and how you can win these games using that dull verbal arsenal
        who are you trying to quixote here?
  7. slacker
    slacker 25 September 2013 12: 30 New
    +9
    "Cuba is far away, Cuba is far away - no, Cuba is near!" - Soso Pavliashvili once sang


    After such a phrase, we can conclude about the age and other characteristics of the author. Actually, several dozens of years earlier than Sosun this song was sung by VIA "Flame".
  8. sigizmund472
    sigizmund472 25 September 2013 13: 35 New
    +4
    Quote: Loafer
    After such a phrase, we can conclude about the age and other characteristics of the author. Actually, several dozens of years earlier than Sosun this song was sung by VIA "Flame".


    laughing good
  9. mithridate
    mithridate 25 September 2013 14: 09 New
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    Ukraine will soon become a repository of waste and a raw materials appendage of the West
  10. cyber_punk
    cyber_punk 25 September 2013 14: 45 New
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    Russia is possible, but not Ukraine?
    1. smile
      smile 25 September 2013 18: 13 New
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      cyber_punk
      What can you explain, please. Or did it just happen to you, I just wanted to shout an insult at a bad Russia, did you shout out? Vodichka found a hole, right? :)))
    2. Icestar777
      Icestar777 26 September 2013 00: 29 New
      +2
      Do you want so much ?!
  11. chehywed
    chehywed 25 September 2013 15: 01 New
    +1
    Ronnie Kasrils, the future intelligence minister of the Republic of South Africa, was born in the city of Johannesburg, into a Jewish family whose ancestors fled from pogroms from Tsarist Russia. But for five years he lived in Odessa, where he was taught a partisan and unique Odessa surzhik.

    Svidomity even a Jew in their "recorded" !!! laughing For being in Odessa.
    And in 1964, he goes to Ukraine, where African partisans were trained in a special secret camp near Odessa

    That's only with the difference that he did not suspect that he would come "to Ukraine", he came to the USSR.
  12. msv
    msv 25 September 2013 15: 08 New
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    Become a minus. What a vague purpose of the article is unclear. In general, Ukraine has a lot of attention, sometimes artificially created.
  13. gyl
    gyl 25 September 2013 15: 52 New
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    Dear former compatriots! Thank you for the demonstration of the brightest examples of our ethno-cultural differentiation. Do not hold back the souls of beautiful impulses, Write better!
    1. smile
      smile 25 September 2013 18: 50 New
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      gyl
      And yscho, dear former compatriot, you carefully do not notice that all of our covets are aimed at those secessionists from your ruling circles who seek to spoil us in any way, even dragging Ukraine by the hair on the panel ... maybe you should show your dissatisfaction with those who is really destroying Ukraine, huh? Or is the bear greeted and unable to understand who is actually trying (and judging by the victims of propaganda, like you) to create the “ethno-cultural differentiation” you mentioned?
  14. Gomunkul
    Gomunkul 25 September 2013 18: 02 New
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    Dear former compatriots
    Exactly compatriots! The division of a single Slavic people on a territorial basis led to the emergence of new peoples! So easily you can divide and quarrel each other. So you can, for example, come up with such a people: as Crimean Ukrainian, Central European Russian, etc. etc. The purpose of these experiments is the same - to erase the memory of a single people, to turn into Ivanes not remembering kinship. hi
  15. Old_kapitan
    Old_kapitan 25 September 2013 18: 04 New
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    Today, immigrants from this region are massively traveling to Spain as wage earners

    Today, natives of this region, under Nazi standards, march through the streets of Lemberg ...
    1. Technocrat
      Technocrat 25 September 2013 20: 22 New
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      Erase less amiable Putin’s TV, no one marching with Nazi banners in Lviv, at least I haven’t seen anything in 10 years, UPA warrant officers have something to do with it, but as you know, Vlasov’s army fought under a white-blue-red banner.
      1. smile
        smile 25 September 2013 21: 29 New
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        Technocrat
        The cannibals from the UPA are no different from the cannibals of Bandera. If you give an example of honoring Vlasov’s nonhumans with us, I will be grateful ... but if you don’t bring it, but you can’t ... :))), then I will have to catch you on that. that you, dodging, trying not to notice. that all Ukrainian independents of that period and earlier, were simply foreign lackeys and enemies of the Ukrainian people ... well, and the current ones are their worthy heirs, differing only in that they hardly tasted blood ... and the same foreign lackeys and enemies of the Ukrainian people .... by the way. the presence or absence of Russian traitors does not in any way affect the essence of the independent people ... :)))
  16. gyl
    gyl 25 September 2013 21: 29 New
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    Quote: smile
    gyl
    And yscho, dear former compatriot, you carefully do not notice that all of our covets are aimed at those secessionists from your ruling circles who seek to spoil us in any way, even dragging Ukraine by the hair on the panel ... maybe you should show your dissatisfaction with those who is really destroying Ukraine, huh? Or is the bear greeted and unable to understand who is actually trying (and judging by the victims of propaganda, like you) to create the “ethno-cultural differentiation” you mentioned?

    I answer - if in independent Ukraine, more or less ordered and similar in ethno-cultural and religious principles, further evolution (well, or revolution) is quite possible in the direction of improving the conditions of life - the introduction of universal law obedience, with sane lawmaking, self-government of communities, starting from the very a tiny village, and against this backdrop - the rampant economic activities of citizens creating the economic environment of the post-industrial era, then, to my deep regret, the current RF is basically not capable of reforming, so to speak, with a human face. Alas for you ...
    1. smile
      smile 25 September 2013 23: 58 New
      +2
      gyl
      And why alas, if the unreasonable and absolutely unreasonable conclusions belong to your pen, and not ours? :)) About the evolution of being (in particular with regard to law-abiding), did it smell like European integration propaganda from you? Well, look at the predecessors - at the same Lithuania - it’s already joined, so it’s joined - the judge can be given a bribe right at the reception ... corruption has so corrupted society that we are before them. as before Shanghai with cancer ... EVERY heel is a Lithuanian guest worker, working mainly as a cleaner. a nanny, a collector of vegetables, strawberries and tulips, very rarely a builder and a plumber (this is the prerogative of the Poles) .. the whole industry is destroyed, they did not give quotas for the fishing fleet, they don’t cultivate the land ...
      Alas, ignorance and a dull faith in Russophobic propaganda will play a cruel joke with you. not with us ...
      you know, if you compare your propaganda cliches with the realities of ancient Greek life, then you can reduce this matter to a toast:
      Rejoice! the sons of men are like tree leaves, prostrate themselves, for autumn! rejoice !!! What are we? we rejoice ... if instructed! .. vinta, vinta splash on the doorstep ... Autumn has come for you, Alas! And I don’t want to draw a smiley ... Ukrainians feel sorry for you ... no!
  17. msv
    msv 25 September 2013 23: 17 New
    +1
    Quote: Technocrat
    Erase less amiable Putin’s TV, no one marching with Nazi banners in Lviv, at least I haven’t seen anything in 10 years, UPA warrant officers have something to do with it, but as you know, Vlasov’s army fought under a white-blue-red banner.

    But Vlasovites in the Russian Federation are not considered heroes. About UPA you are in vain. Today it is just a way of self-identification for a part of Ukrainian elites. With the same success, I must be proud, for example, of Trotsky.
    Quote: smile
    gyl
    And yscho, dear former compatriot, you carefully do not notice that all of our covets are aimed at those secessionists from your ruling circles who seek to spoil us in any way, even dragging Ukraine by the hair on the panel ... maybe you should show your dissatisfaction with those who is really destroying Ukraine, huh? Or is the bear greeted and unable to understand who is actually trying (and judging by the victims of propaganda, like you) to create the “ethno-cultural differentiation” you mentioned?

    A fly in the ointment for his compatriots. We must remember the year 1991. Russia was one of the first to accept the declaration of independence (at least faster than Ukraine) than driving the first nail into the lid of the USSR’s coffin. Then E.B.N. collects a gangway in Belovezhskaya Pushcha than finally finishes the USSR. In general, the entire performance of the collapse took place in Moscow.
    That is, at that moment it looked so that the Russian Federation said to Ukraine: "The goose is not a pig, comrade ..." Those who took advantage of it took advantage. And now we are genuinely offended that there are other heroes.
    Think of the current situation in Ukraine as a tragedy of your people, it will be more correct.
    And we (Russia) not so long ago wiser ...
    1. smile
      smile 26 September 2013 00: 10 New
      +3
      msv
      Nobody argues that if it were not for the EBN Union would have survived, at least to some extent ... but that the Rusophobic ideology was rooted in the republics, the EBN is not so guilty - he gave everything to everyone, spitting on the interests of the Russian and not only the Russian people that they could carry away ... but the Russians still remained to blame ...
      It is as a tragedy that we perceive and perceive ... and we have no complaints against Ukrainians ... there are complaints against the heirs of fascist lackeys ... this is very bad, do you think? We have become smarter, and in some places the unreasonableness is aggravated ... what to do, to suffer, perceiving it as a tragedy, or to do something in response, not with respect to fooled peoples, God forbid, but with respect to hostile states? What do you think?
  18. USMC
    USMC 26 September 2013 00: 06 New
    -2
    Quote: _Forgiven_
    And you, I look very literate found? Like you are sitting in chocolate and everything is fine in Russia and butterflies flutter in your house beautiful? There is no need to make excuses and insult people here

    the toad always praises its swamp))))
    1. chehywed
      chehywed 26 September 2013 00: 25 New
      +2
      Quote: USMC
      the toad always praises its swamp))))

      You see, what a tricky thing is self-identification ... In Russia they say "every sandpiper praises its swamp." Someone flies while living in a swamp, while someone sits down the nostrils in a stinky liquid and croaks ...
  19. USMC
    USMC 26 September 2013 00: 11 New
    -2
    However, Fedor the Immortal was not captured. Even earlier, he, together with two colleagues, went into the jungle and voluntarily sided with the Vietnamese partisans.



    the man violated the oath (by the way, the legionnaires swear NOT to France, namely the Legion) and deserted. but not only that, he still turned his weapon against his former comrades! if this is considered normal, then why is a deserter from the Red Army who did not share the ideas of communism and switched to the Germans all so bad ?!
    1. Old_kapitan
      Old_kapitan 26 September 2013 09: 48 New
      0
      That's it! Not France, but the Legion. A gang of bandits ready to kill their mother for grandmother.
    2. Old_kapitan
      Old_kapitan 26 September 2013 09: 48 New
      0
      That's it! Not France, but the Legion. A gang of bandits ready to kill their mother for grandmother.
  20. Icestar777
    Icestar777 26 September 2013 00: 49 New
    +1
    In general, in my opinion, the author of the article with the title lay down. Well, he would call her well, let's say, "We have someone to be proud of!" well, or somehow in the same vein, and the comments would be completely different. And so again it came down to a showdown over the EU-panel.
    1. smile
      smile 26 September 2013 02: 39 New
      +1
      Icestar777
      U M N I C A !!!! I apologize for the panel ... and I am very sorry that, in my opinion, this is the most accurate comparison ...:))) .... and offensive - I wanted to stir up, although I understand that offensive words cause only a defensive reaction .. .but maybe even a micron think ...
  21. USMC
    USMC 26 September 2013 11: 50 New
    0
    Quote: Old_Kapitan
    That's it! Not France, but the Legion. A gang of bandits ready to kill their mother for grandmother.

    gangs of bandits are sitting in our parliaments, and the Foreign Legion is a professional army where people wanted to end the past. and there were not only runaway bandits but also a bunch of all kinds of emigrants. but the fact of violation of the oath remains ...
  22. USMC
    USMC 26 September 2013 12: 10 New
    +2
    Quote: Old_Kapitan
    Not so long ago, in a zapadenschina, a Kharkov guy was beaten half to death, who spoke with the locals in the excellent Ukrainian language, but who dared to declare that he still considered his native Russian. Like this.
    But there is nothing to crumble a loaf of bread for Sevastopol residents - on one of the visits (and it was during the height of the orange camarilla) I asked local people in Ukrainian for interest. So they didn’t beat me up — they carefully listened and answered, and even tried in Ukrainian! Feel the difference.

    in Western Ukraine, tourists are always welcome and because of the language they can only get drunk
  23. gyl
    gyl 26 September 2013 20: 07 New
    0
    Quote: smile
    gyl
    And why alas, if the unreasonable and absolutely unreasonable conclusions belong to your pen, and not ours? :)) About the evolution of being (in particular with regard to law-abiding), did it smell like European integration propaganda from you? Well, look at the predecessors - at the same Lithuania - it’s already joined, so it’s joined - the judge can be given a bribe right at the reception ... corruption has so corrupted society that we are before them. as before Shanghai with cancer ... EVERY heel is a Lithuanian guest worker, working mainly as a cleaner. a nanny, a collector of vegetables, strawberries and tulips, very rarely a builder and a plumber (this is the prerogative of the Poles) .. the whole industry is destroyed, they did not give quotas for the fishing fleet, they don’t cultivate the land ...
    Alas, ignorance and a dull faith in Russophobic propaganda will play a cruel joke with you. not with us ...
    you know, if you compare your propaganda cliches with the realities of ancient Greek life, then you can reduce this matter to a toast:
    Rejoice! the sons of men are like tree leaves, prostrate themselves, for autumn! rejoice !!! What are we? we rejoice ... if instructed! .. vinta, vinta splash on the doorstep ... Autumn has come for you, Alas! And I don’t want to draw a smiley ... Ukrainians feel sorry for you ... no!

    I answer - former Savets people, as a rule, are illiterate and low-skilled in order to get decent work in the West, but even “indecent” is so badly paid that it makes sense to go to work, plus generally a good attitude of the local population and the authorities - this is an example , my friend, a pensioner, illegally works in Italy, the authorities - the police know her by sight, bow to her, the employer filed documents for legalization and accrual of a ten-year pension. As for the horrors of European integration - well, how the Balts with the Poles will trample to Russia, so we’ll be horrified, but for now - you won’t be worse, much less ...
  24. USMC
    USMC 26 September 2013 20: 42 New
    +2
    Quote: smile
    corruption has so eaten society that we are up to them. how to shanghai to cancer ...

    Sorry, but Petrosyan is resting against you. it is our countries that corroded completely! it is possible to buy or solve anything from us, the main thing is that there would be loot! it is with us that ALL do not disdain bribes, from the leadership of countries to the smallest civil servant!


    But at the expense of Poland ... it’s better to go there on vacation for an excursion, you will see how the Poles live!
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 26 September 2013 20: 49 New
      -1
      Quote: USMC
      But at the expense of Poland ... it’s better to go there on vacation for an excursion, you will see how the Poles live!
      Still they lived poorly. Having at hand such a market for its products as Ukraine. Even now, when China is being dragged in gigantic quantities, practically in any the outlet will offer you a Polish product as a more decent alternative. Whatever it is, food, tools, clothing, etc.
  25. USMC
    USMC 26 September 2013 21: 30 New
    +2
    Quote: Misantrop
    Having at hand such a market for its products as Ukraine.

    to consider that Polshcha lives only at the expense of marketing to Ukraine is at least silly! it is necessary for export to be tied to the United States, for the country to live only by selling to one country.
    Quote: Misantrop
    products, tools, clothes

    the products here are mainly Ukrainian, the tools are Chinese, from the clothes only the cabinets are mostly Polish, and the rags are usually Turkish
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 27 September 2013 09: 50 New
      +2
      Quote: USMC
      to consider that Polshcha lives only at the expense of marketing to Ukraine is at least silly! it is necessary that export be tied to the USA
      It's silly to write such comments. Especially - considering your own opinion as the only correct one. You would think that without the United States, even the Sun would not rise lol For the development of new industries then for Poland, it is much more important not the wealth of the consumer country, but the stability of sales and the availability of delivery. As for the second, a large section of the common border is optimal for this. The eternal deficit of everything in a row in Ukraine provided stable demand, and the equipment that was being dragged and sold was provided with raw materials at bargain prices. This allowed start-ups and enterprises to stand on their feet.
      Quote: USMC
      the products here are mainly Ukrainian, the tools are Chinese, from the clothes only the cabinets are mostly Polish, and the rags are usually Turkish

      Do you often go to stores? Even now, out of 10 types of pastes, is it good if there is one NOT Polish, but 15-20 years ago? Or "it was a long time ago and not true"? And this is the first thing that came to mind. Is the tool Chinese? And the fact that he massively went only 5-7 years ago? And filled only the cheapest segment of the market? Whose bearing or drill is now offered to someone who does not want to take cheap trash? Russian are rarer and significantly more expensive. And household and construction chemicals, perfumes?
      Turkish rags massively went a little earlier, about 15 years ago, as well as plumbing (faucets, faucets, etc.). And that’s exactly what “rags” are, before the first wash. Like most Chinese goods. I returned to Crimea in 93, having retired, so that all these "grimaces of the nascent market" passed before my eyes. And - not in front of children
  26. msv
    msv 26 September 2013 21: 56 New
    0
    Quote: smile
    msv
    Nobody argues that if it were not for the EBN Union would have survived, at least to some extent ... but that the Rusophobic ideology was rooted in the republics, the EBN is not so guilty - he gave everything to everyone, spitting on the interests of the Russian and not only the Russian people that they could carry away ... but the Russians still remained to blame ...
    It is as a tragedy that we perceive and perceive ... and we have no complaints against Ukrainians ... there are complaints against the heirs of fascist lackeys ... this is very bad, do you think? We have become smarter, and in some places the unreasonableness is aggravated ... what to do, to suffer, perceiving it as a tragedy, or to do something in response, not with respect to fooled peoples, God forbid, but with respect to hostile states? What do you think?

    Well, the first paragraph is a moot point. The main Russophobes at that moment were in Moscow. Surnames to list? And now enough of them live happily ever after.
    I agree with your second paragraph. But putting myself in the place of a Ukrainian, for example, from the Kharkov region, I would be offended. Too much bile and relishing the situation. Perhaps now I will express sedition.
    Ukraine has huge West-East internal problems. And entering the EU, it exacerbates them. It calls into question its integrity. Because in one part of it veterans of the SS are walking, and the other part of her remembers very well the tactics of Manstein’s surviving land. It is impossible to reconcile them despite the Pepsi generation. Whatever the step in the EU, this is a step towards the SS veterans. Since the policy of Europe will always be aimed at reducing the influence of the Slavic Orthodox culture, that is, on the consistent destruction (in the literal and figurative sense of the Easterners). But today, Russia is not like the Russia of the nineties, when its compatriots were crushed, raped and humiliated in the former Soviet republics. Russia will fit in for the East. But why then pour out bile about the EU and other things? I think that hardly anyone who speaks here today wears a swastika.
    1. gyl
      gyl 27 September 2013 00: 25 New
      +1
      Damn, yes, protect the Russian population in Russia itself, you have the 282nd two thousand Russian stingy ...
  27. USMC
    USMC 27 September 2013 13: 27 New
    +1
    Quote: Misantrop
    It's silly to write such comments. Especially - considering your own opinion as the only correct one. You would think that without the United States even the Sun would not have risen lol For the development of production then new for Poland, it is much more important not the wealth of the consumer country, but the stability of sales and the availability of delivery.

    how fashionable it is now to say "It was the 90s" then the defect was really a solid blockage of Polish goods. but in order to live ONLY at the expense of export to ONE country, and live happily ever after, it is necessary either for the exporter to be a very small country or to supply a country with a very large domestic market and purchasing power, which the United States is for example (for Europe manufacturers of luxury cars in the United States supply the same amount as in all of Europe. I did not include us and the Russian Federation here)

    Quote: Misantrop
    Do you often go to stores? Even now, out of 10 types of pastes, it’s good if there is one NOT Polish,
    today was just including watching canned food. mainly ours and Latvian sprats. I do not say that there are no Polish products. there are many, but they are far from dominating. all sorts of chocolate nuts, etc., are enough, but they do not dominate!


    Quote: Misantrop
    Is the tool Chinese? And the fact that he massively went only 5-7 years ago? And filled only the cheapest segment of the market? Whose bearing or drill is now offered to someone who does not want to take cheap trash?

    Hand tools mainly China and Taiwan - Makita, Bosch, Black EndDacker. whose company is understandable whose BUT ASSEMBLY! still Interskol Russian. Well, the truth is Bosch and Einhel German may be a fellow.



    Quote: Misantrop
    construction chemistry


    Quote: Misantrop
    plumbing (faucets, mixers, etc.)


    I agree, I do not argue. the only thing I can say is that about half of Polish building materials in Ukraine were produced at factories in Ukraine itself.

    about household and perfumery is not competent.
    I call all clothes rags fellow and these Turkish rags are of quite decent quality, if you do not buy the cheapest