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Hamas vs. Hezbollah

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There has never been unity among radical Islamist organizations. Nevertheless, until recently, the Palestinian Hamas confrontation (an abbreviation for Harakat al-Mukavam al-Islamia, translated as the Islamic Resistance Movement) and the Lebanese Shiite Hezbollah (Party of Allah) has always been carefully hidden by the leaders of these organizations. On the contrary, representing essentially terrorist associations, they always and openly declared their main goal - the destruction of Israel.
However, Hamas and Hezbollah divided irreconcilable religious contradictions, for the first belongs to the Sunni branch of Islam, and the second to the Shiite one. Relations between Shiites and Sunnis have always been marked by hostility, often leading their followers to bloody clashes. Note that most of the representatives of the Islamic world consider themselves to be Sunni.


“THE SECOND FRONT” DOESN'T PALETINES, NON-LEAVERS DON'T OPEN

In the structure of Hamas, seized power in the Gaza Strip, there are no special services. These functions are assigned to the “Executive Forces”, the units performing the police functions and the militarized brigades of the “Izzad-Din al-Kasam” (“IDAC”). In addition, to keep ears on the crown, and eyes open prescribed "Murabitun" (translated as "People on Guard"), sometimes referred to as "people's militia", and sometimes "people's army." So in the enclave of spies and scammers enough. First of all, these people are focused on identifying Israeli agents. But they are also instructed to seek out supporters of Ramallah, the administrative center of the Palestinian National Autonomy (PNA) controlled by Fatah (“Harakat al-Tahrir al-Watani al-Filastini” - “Palestine National Liberation Movement”), which today is considered moderate.

Back in 2005, the Hamas police announced that they had arrested dozens of Fatah agents. Most of them died in the dungeons of the Gaza Strip, after Fatah, in turn, began to hunt for Hamas agents. At the same time, it is significant that both Hamas and Fatah were always suspicious of Hezbollah.

Hezbollah did not open a second front either in December 2008 of the year or in November of 2012 of the year when the IDF (Israeli Defense Forces) conducted anti-terrorist operations, Cast Lead and Cloud Pillar, respectively, against Hamas militants entrenched in Gaza. On the other hand, neither the PNA police nor the Fatah military organization stood up for their Palestinian tribesmen.

When in the 1982 year, the IDF attacked the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) military bases, then led by Yasser Arafat, a Shi'i pro-Syrian group Amal (Arabic abbriviature from Cohort of Lebanese Resistance), during the First Lebanon War, also called Operation Peace of Galilee. , meaning “Hope”), was not particularly active in the opposition to the Jews. It was in the “depths” of “Amal” that the Hezbollah matured. Undoubtedly, the Hamas leadership, who illegally seized power in the Gaza Strip, has never forgotten the "neutrality" held by Hezbollah militants during the Israeli military operations against the Palestinian enclave.

In the confrontation between Hamas and Hezbollah, there has always been a religious component. Sunni religious figures in Gaza observed with anxiety and jealousy the facts that a considerable number of young residents of Gaza had entered Shiism. A similar phenomenon occurred when Arab propaganda, giving black for white, chimed about the alleged victory of Hezbollah in the Second Lebanon War. But, on the other hand, radical organizations operating in the same region, it is always difficult to get along with each other. Thus, the Hezbollah militants were noted in bloody clashes with the "closely related" them "Amal", which for them was, in fact, alma mater.

SHOCK WAILS

Points over i put the civil war in Syria. The fact is that the Shiite ayatollahs who proclaimed the Islamic Republic of Iran recognized the Alawites of Syria as a "Shiite sect." It is known that the last decades of Syria, ruled by the Alawite government of Assad. Thus, Tehran provided and continues to support the Assad clan in Damascus, not only because of its strategic and tactical interests, but also as representatives of the same trend in Islam. But for the Sunnis, Shiites are “worse than Christians and Jews.” The civil war once again divided the Arab world into “their own” and “alien”. The abscess broke. Approximately the same thing happened during the bloody Iran-Iraq war of 1980 – 1988. Then only Syria, the only Arab country, took the side of Tehran. At the same time, all Palestinian organizations, above all the PLO, supported Baghdad.

The intra Syrian conflict has put the Hamas leadership in a very delicate situation. For decades, its leaders have been hiding from Israeli retaliation in Damascus. But even at the beginning of the ongoing civil war in Syria, one of the Hamas leaders, Khaled Mashal, opposed the participation of his organization in this confrontation. Indeed, Sunni Hamas, on the one hand, was not at all up to the ranks of those who oppose the Sunnis. But, on the other hand, Hamas generously gave gifts weapons and with money, Shiite Iran and protected the Syrian Alawite clique, which patronize all the enemies of Israel.

But it turned out that Damascus in Mashal has its own views. Bashir Asad hoped that the Hamas leader, in gratitude for the "shelter and table," at least would take a neutral position and, thus, the militants subordinate to him would not find themselves in the ranks of the armed Syrian opposition. However, the agents of the Syrian special services, introduced into the environment of Mashal, reported that the “object” was not inclined to make any compromises in this matter and was going to bow out after driving to other shores.

Forcibly holding the leader of a terrorist organization that seized power in a certain territory and claiming to head the state in the future, Assad was far from the hand. The Syrians left the piquant position simply: Mashaal was released under a specious excuse - to visit his sick mother in Amman. But at the same time one of his wives, as well as a daughter, four sons and husband's daughter were arrested. Actually left as hostages. Just in case!

In Tehran, they also did not sit on their hands and tried to dislodge the current leadership of Hamas and put their proteges. But the Syrians and Iranians are late. Independent sources, including Arab sources, reported that IDAK’s Hamas brigades were training the rebel groups, the Free Syrian Army (SSA). At the same time, there was information that Hamasians are training militants of this "army" to dig underground tunnels, to get into the city centers, usually controlled by government troops. Palestinian terrorists should not occupy the experience of building such underground passages. From the Gaza Strip, not only weapons and ammunition, but also various goods, including automobiles, enter the Egyptian territory precisely for such fortification structures. On underground passages into Israeli territory, militants erupted to commit terrorist acts. It is also known that several hundreds of IDA fighters opposed the SSA forces in the battles for Aleppo and Damascus. Since February 2012, Khaled Mashal has been living in Qatar. There is no doubt that Hamas today is completely in the political and military orbit of Doha.

As for Hezbollah, its leader, Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah, did not immediately agree to come to the aid of the Syrian regime. First, he did not want to openly oppose his organization to the majority of the Arab world. Secondly, he understood that the CCA would not throw cherry stones at his militants. So, there will be losses, the restoration of which will require money and time. However, Tehran showed perseverance, and Nasrallah obeyed. According to the Italian newspaper La Stampa, Hezbollah sent 40% of its fighters to Syria, as a result of which the front of this organization’s confrontation with the Jews and with numerous enemies in Lebanon was largely exposed. And if there is a confrontation between Christians, Druze and Shiites in the near future, then the weakened army of Nasrallah will not be able to provide effective assistance to their co-religionists.

Therefore, it is not at all surprising that the Hezbolbah militants are conducting their operations near the border with Lebanon and are not particularly eager to reckon with the enemies of Assad deep in Syrian territory. According to the same La Stampa, Hezbollah controls only a narrow strip of land from the sea to Damascus.

True, the Hezbollah militants turned out to be a serious combat component in the battle for the city of Quseir, ten kilometers from the border with Lebanon.

A prominent Israeli military analyst David Sharp writes in the article “Syria: the exchange of blows” published in the Israeli Russian-language newspaper “News of the week ”(“ NN ”):“ The most important criterion of the army’s combat capability is its ability to conduct truly large-scale offensive operations, and it is precisely this skill that the Assad army does not have. ” Sharp called the Quseiry’s “forced” capture because the pro-Assad forces failed to “neither clear strategically important territories, nor destroy large enemy forces, nor cut off the rebels from the supply of food, weapons, ammunition and people”. In all likelihood, the jihadists who make up the majority in the SSA would not have been able to knock out from Quseira if the Hezbollah militants had not come to the rescue.

COURAGE ALWAYS CAUSES RESPECT

During the siege of the large Minnag (Meng) airbase, located near the Turkish border north of Aleppo, Hamas and Hezbollah militants met face to face. Hamas attacked in the usual vein. His suicide bombers used "martyr belts" and armored vehicles loaded with explosives. Hamas workers together with jihadists of the SSA launched anti-tank missile systems with which they burned Tanks government troops. The jihadist attack began with a breakthrough into the territory of the air base of two captured BMPs stuffed with explosives and suicide drivers. Nevertheless, the Assad army with the support of Hezbollah survived. “And here I have to say the following,” writes David Sharp in this connection, “the stamina of the fighters who have been defending the airport for such a long time under truly terrifying conditions cannot but inspire respect, which cannot be said about the Syrian command, which was in the earlier stages of the siege had the opportunity to save the garrison from death at the cost of leaving the doomed airfield. ”

The author of the article in “NN” believes that “the order to keep to the end, given contrary to common sense, led to the destruction of the garrison with all the equipment and the loss of the base itself. At the same time, Sharpe corrects himself by making the following reservation: “An additional incentive to continue the defense of the airbase was the fact that they (the Asad army and Hezbollah fighters. - Z.G.) were opposed by the Jihadist formations, which are unlikely to wait mercy. The Hamas and militants of the “Daulyatul islam Fil Iraq Iraq-Sham” (translated as “The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant”) deserve the glory of the cruelty of jihadists. According to information from hard-to-verify sources, in the same area, near the Minnag air base, on the side of the anti-Assad forces in the group of “Jaysh al-Mukhadzhirin Val-Ansar” (translated as “Army of Muhajirs and Ansars”), several dozen Chechen and Dagestan immigrants fought. Everything falls into place if we bear in mind that “muhajir” in Arabic is “immigrant”, and “Ansar” is “helper”. According to the same sources, to the credit of the Caucasian “Muhajirs” and “Ansars”, they were quite loyal to the civilian population and were not noticed in any atrocities against the enemy.

"BARFOLOMEEV NIGHTS" IN SYRIAN

Civil wars often turn into slaughter. If in such a war supporters of one religion oppose supporters of another, then, unfortunately, a massacre cannot be avoided. So, it was in medieval Europe in the era of religious wars. On the night of August 22 1572, the French Catholics, luring the Huguenots, that is, the Protestants, to a wedding ceremony scheduled for the day of St. Bartholomew, massacred, called the "St. Bartholomew's Night." Then, within a few days, 30 killed thousands of people. The Thirty Years War (1618 – 1648) claimed millions of lives. Only the Germans died then more than five million. In Sweden, 30% of boys and men between the ages of 15 have remained on the battlefield or have returned home crippled. You can recall the religious wars in France and the Hussite wars in the Czech Republic. Then European Christians killed each other.

An Israeli scholar and writer Alexander Gordon (by the way, a native of Kiev) in the article “East - East” writes: “The religious wars between European Christians in the Middle Ages and the Crusades of Christians against Muslims in the Holy Land seem to be small skirmishes with a small number of casualties compared to bloody orgy of modern battles between Shiites and Sunnis. " If one agrees with such a comparison, then the following conclusion suggests itself: the Islamic world is now at a stage of development that Europe has overcome in the Middle Ages. More than 120 thousand people have already died in Syria.

“The war in Syria,” says Gordon, “is a reflection of all (Middle Eastern. - Z.G.) conflicts.” And this point of view can be accepted. Further, the article “East - East” states: “Syria is a testing ground on which there is a war between two branches of Islam, Sunnis and Shiites, between secular and religious worldviews, between Iranians and Arabs, between Turks and Persians, and between the great and regional powers oil and influence. ”

IF BROTHERS ARE NOT FRIENDS

The confrontation between Hamas and Hezbollah is only one of the many links in the Shiite-Sunni conflict, not only religious, but also geopolitical. Nowadays, this conflict is reflected in the fields of the civil war in Syria. Moreover, the Shiite and Sunni worlds do not represent a "homogeneous mass." After the “drift” of Hamas towards Qatar, the Islamic Jihad became a client of Iranian ayatollahs - a small Sunni group operating in the Gaza Strip, which is ready to “feed” from any hands. In the same place, in Gaza, the Fatah is linked to, but nonetheless, the Palestinian movement Ansar al Mujahiddin (“To the aid of the soldiers of Islam”) declared itself independent. The leaders of this movement, some Abu Bilal and Asad Abu-Shari, stated that they set themselves the goal of "uniting all Palestinian organizations in the fight against Israel and its minions." However, it is known that these leaders were directly connected with the “Shuhada al-Aqsa” faction (“Shuhada” - plural from “shahids” - “martyr for the faith”; “Al-Aqsa” - mosque in Jerusalem), the military wing FATH, later excluded from this structure "for lawlessness, vandalism and dependence on the personal interests of its leaders."

In Gaza, there are also openly Salafi (Wahhabi), ultra-Sunni, al-Qaeda-related movements of the A-Tawhid wal-Jihad (Unity of Jihad), Jaish al-Islam (Army of Islam), and Jaljal ”(named after one of the dead Islamist commanders). It is indicative that even the Salafi movements, declaring unity in the confrontation with Zionism and the enemies of Islam, in opposition to each other. What then can be said about the Sunni Hamas and the Shiite Hezbollah, killing each other and at the same time declaring their hatred for Jews and the Gentiles in general?

In this regard, a wonderful Chechen proverb comes to mind: “A brother is not a brother, if he is not your friend”.
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  1. Ulysses
    Ulysses 16 September 2013 12: 38 New
    +7
    The relations of Shiites and Sunnis have always been characterized by hostility, which often led their followers to bloody clashes.


    The dictum reads correctly:
    "Если где-то арабы убивают арабов, знайте, это сунниты уничтожают шиитов".

    In general, when an author with the surname Gelman begins to teach me that there is Hamas and Hezbollah, for some reason I am struck by rzhach.



    1. Professor
      Professor 16 September 2013 13: 38 New
      +9
      Quote: Ulysses
      In general, when an author with the surname Gelman begins to teach me that there is Hamas and Hezbollah, for some reason I am struck by rzhach.

      Because this Gelman has been facing Hamas and Hezbollah for decades, and you only know about them from the printed materials of other authors?
      От этого на ржачь пробивает? Вы нас просветите "что есть Хамас и Хезболла", не стесняйтесь. Обещаю, что ржать не будем, а лишь грустно улыбаться.
      1. Double major
        Double major 16 September 2013 19: 52 New
        +3
        Well, in general, the Syrians, who for many years helped Hamas in the fight against the invaders, have been considered for some time their traitors. And in connection with the past information about the appearance of their instructors in the bandits, it is difficult to disagree with them ...
      2. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 16 September 2013 20: 58 New
        -1
        Quote: Professor
        Quote: Ulysses
        In general, when an author with the surname Gelman begins to teach me that there is Hamas and Hezbollah, for some reason I am struck by rzhach.

        Because this Gelman has been facing Hamas and Hezbollah for decades, and you only know about them from the printed materials of other authors?


        laughing that is not ... sho you, not for that. Rzhach breaks through because it is impossible to trust a Jew when he speaks of the Islmists. This one will say anything ... A special emotion is caused by a link to a Russian-language magazine, where an army is being drenched, which for the third year has been hammering terrorists in the tail and mane. I wonder how long Israel would last if a terrorist war broke out in his territory?
        1. Professor
          Professor 16 September 2013 21: 29 New
          +2
          Quote: Geisenberg
          Rzhach breaks through because to believe a Jew

          I divide people into smart people and vice versa, not into Jews and not Jews. I already have an opinion about you.
    2. atalef
      atalef 16 September 2013 14: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: Ulysses
      The relations of Shiites and Sunnis have always been characterized by hostility, which often led their followers to bloody clashes.


      The dictum reads correctly:
      "Если где-то арабы убивают арабов, знайте, это сунниты уничтожают шиитов".

      In general, when an author with the surname Gelman begins to teach me that there is Hamas and Hezbollah, for some reason I am struck by rzhach.

      You, unlike Gelman, saw the Palestinians only in the picture or, at best, in a stall with a shaverma
      1. IGS
        IGS 16 September 2013 14: 45 New
        +1
        "Ты, в отличии от Гельмана, видел палистинцев только на картинке или, в лучшем случае, в ларьке с шаурмой." Извините, просто поправил smile .
        1. atalef
          atalef 16 September 2013 18: 41 New
          0
          Quote: IGS
          Ты, в отличии от Гельмана, видел палистинцев только на картинке или, в лучшем случае, в ларьке с шаурмой." Извините, просто поправил

          Thank ! The tablet got tired, it seems that she lives her life and writes as she pleases. It is necessary to change the installation. so that the text does not correct
          1. Geisenberg
            Geisenberg 16 September 2013 21: 02 New
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            Quote: IGS
            Ты, в отличии от Гельмана, видел палистинцев только на картинке или, в лучшем случае, в ларьке с шаурмой." Извините, просто поправил

            Thank ! The tablet got tired, it seems that she lives her life and writes as she pleases. It is necessary to change the installation. so that the text does not correct


            Go to the injections laughing they are more true ...
      2. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 16 September 2013 21: 01 New
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        You, unlike Gelman, saw the Palestinians only in the picture or, at best, in a stall with a shaverma


        And I saw both of them grated on a spit ... that you are that the Palestinians are one and the same organ. The difference between you is that some of the USA and England support and others not.
        1. atalef
          atalef 16 September 2013 22: 11 New
          +1
          Quote: Geisenberg
          The difference between you is that some of the USA and England support and others not.
          Other Russia and Iran laughing
  2. albanech
    albanech 16 September 2013 12: 41 New
    +7
    The article is good! Thanks to the author!
  3. creak
    creak 16 September 2013 12: 50 New
    +5
    The background of the inter-confessional conflict in the Middle East and, in particular, in Syria is very clearly stated ... The situation there is rather ambiguous and article plus for trying to competently consider the problems raised ...
    1. Double major
      Double major 16 September 2013 19: 28 New
      +3
      No, no ... The Western line about inter-confessional conflict in Syria is very subtly drawn ... Which is completely untrue ...
      1. atalef
        atalef 16 September 2013 19: 49 New
        0
        Цитата: Дважды майор
        No, no ... The Western line about inter-confessional conflict in Syria is very subtly drawn ... Which is completely untrue ...

        Why does not match? Your reasons.
        1. Double major
          Double major 16 September 2013 19: 58 New
          +5
          Да потому, что, по сообщениям моих знакомых сирийцев, нет там войны между суннитами и шиитами, как нас пытаются убедить "товарищи" с Потомака и Сиона. Идет отражение народом и армией САР внешней интервенции, организованной США, и соседними монархиями, с подачи Израиля. И в этой войне за Родину стоят плечом к плечу и сунниты и шииты. За что их и режут, и тех, и других... К стати сказать, бандиты резали головы и надевали их на шпили мечетей (помните?) именно суннитских имамов...
  4. TS3sta3
    TS3sta3 16 September 2013 13: 04 New
    0
    thanks, very tasty matzo.
    1. eplewke
      eplewke 16 September 2013 16: 30 New
      +3
      infinitely stupid Islamic jihad ... I will kill you for being a Shiite, you will kill me for being Sunni, together we will kill Jews, and Jews, Iranians and someone else will kill us. PZDC in general! thousands of organizations that dream each other - shoot each other ...
  5. Ddhal
    Ddhal 16 September 2013 13: 04 New
    +8
    Great educational article. Many thanks to the author.
    I would like to get a development of the topic with details ...
  6. Andrey_K
    Andrey_K 16 September 2013 13: 49 New
    +1
    When Hamas loses Iran’s support, KSA and Qatar will remain their only sponsor.
    I hope then the Israeli lobby will podsutitsya and set the United States on them, in its usual style - well, so that there are only ruins and rampant democracy.
    Then there will be world peace and terrorism will subside.
    1. atalef
      atalef 16 September 2013 14: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: Andrey_K
      When Hamas loses Iran’s support, KSA and Qatar will remain their only sponsor.
      I hope then the Israeli lobby will podsutitsya and set the United States on them, in its usual style - well, so that there are only ruins and rampant democracy.
      Then there will be world peace and terrorism will subside.

      Already lost, Iran sponsors Islamic Jihad (both of these organizations successfully fight against each other in Gaza)
      It’s true that now Egypt is crushing Hamas with all its might, from the destruction of tunnels to the shooters of Palestinian fishermen. Another example of unselfish friendship and love between the Palestinians and the rest of the Islamic world.
  7. Double major
    Double major 16 September 2013 13: 57 New
    12
    Beautifully written. But ... From my friends, the Syrians, including SAA reserve officers, I know for sure that there is no confrontation between Sunnis and Shiites in Syria. Well, no, that's all ... Both branches of Islam in Syria oppose the sect of the followers of Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab at-Tamimi, or simply Wahhabis. But those, in turn, do not care who they slaughter - Sunnis, Shiites, Christians ... For Wahhabis, enemies are all who are not Wahhabis. And in fact, the absence of Wahhabis among the Syrian population made this war not a civil, and not an intra-Syrian conflict, as the author writes, but a real intervention of monarchic neighbors against a secular state based on democratic (elected President) and tolerant (in Syria it’s indecent to ask which temple you go to pray) principles. Something like this ... Attempts to present the war as an intra-Syrian conflict, and even interfaith - an old song of Western liberal Sadomites, and their friends from Zion.
    1. Tourist Breakfast
      Tourist Breakfast 16 September 2013 14: 28 New
      +2
      From my friends, the Syrians, including SAA reserve officers, I know for certain that there is no confrontation between Sunnis and Shiites in Syria.


      Let’s say Assad is opposed only by Wahhabi mercenaries.
      Then how do you explain the transition of the SAA Sunnis (including high-ranking officers) to the side of the rebels? How do you explain the Syrian cities in ruins (including the suburbs of Damascus) after the bombing and artillery bombardment of loyals?
      How do you explain the participation in the database on the side of Assad of comrades from Hezbollah and the IRGC? And most importantly, if the entire Syrian people and army are loyal to Assad, why is the war still ongoing for more than two years?
      1. Daler
        Daler 16 September 2013 14: 38 New
        +3
        If the United States hadn’t supplied weapons and trained terrorists in Jordan and elsewhere, the war would have ended long ago. How do you like this? The fact that the cannibal, tried to justify in BBS .. like the war made him so. And those who crossed, simply, they were paid, or threatened. It was not for all the military to cross massively.
        1. Tourist Breakfast
          Tourist Breakfast 16 September 2013 15: 10 New
          0
          If the United States hadn’t supplied weapons and trained terrorists in Jordan and elsewhere, the war would have ended long ago. How do you like this? The fact that the cannibal, tried to justify in BBS .. like the war made him so. And those who crossed, simply, they were paid, or threatened. It was not for all the military to cross massively.


          The rebels are not just fighting. Starting from the trophy weapons of SAA to all kinds of home-made prodigies. American weapons clearly do not play a decisive role in this conflict.
          1. alone
            alone 16 September 2013 21: 28 New
            +1
            wassat Well, say that this is an American weapon)))
        2. alone
          alone 16 September 2013 21: 27 New
          0
          you are mistaken. do not train where you don’t have support. The loss is guaranteed.
      2. Double major
        Double major 16 September 2013 14: 45 New
        +2
        Why is it not clear? Traitors were always in all armies. If you recall the USSR - sometimes the betrayal was massive, of these persons the Nazis formed the army of Vlasov and the division of Krasnov. With the help of the same technologies, the United States brought Iraq down - there, whole compounds simply fled, for grandmas paid to the generals. Nothing new - the enemy is on the alert, paying in your pocket is cheaper than fighting, and our geopolitical opponents are well aware of this. Theatricals from gangs are ruining Syrian cities in ruins, the same as playing a play with a chemical in front of a UN commission. weapons, this was written in several materials and on this site. Well, and of course - the bandits expel residents from occupied quarters. Why not hit them with artillery after that? The al-Assad soldier protects and does the right thing. Well, the war continues due to the fact that using the combined resources of the special services of countries - friends of bandits, taking into account the difficult economic situation in the region, bandits are being punched in training camps at a speed approximately equal to that knocked out by SAA fighters. Both Dagestan and Chechnya are present there. And who is this surprised? In the Russian Caucasus, unemployment reaches 50% of the male population in some places, and families need to be fed - such a mentality ...
        1. Tourist Breakfast
          Tourist Breakfast 16 September 2013 15: 30 New
          0
          In short, everything was rented in clandestine apartments for the money of the State Department. It explains everything. But in reality, the people and the army rallied around the beloved President Assad.
          Let's continue to read Elena Gromova?

          Here's a balance for you link to the blog of a friend who is closely following the course of hostilities in Syria. Ask what actually happens there:

          http://iltg2009.livejournal.com/178694.html
          1. Double major
            Double major 16 September 2013 16: 25 New
            +2
            Полагаю, что мы с "товарищем" - по разные стороны информационных баррикад... И - Вы не поверите - сейчас народ реально сплотился вокруг Аль-Асада. А просто бандиты народу выхода другого не оставляют. Или Аль-Асад, или зарежут... К стати сказать, Громова про Сирию пишет, в основном, правду. Молодец, не боится, хоть и живет в Дамаске. Респект ей и уважуха за это.
            1. Tourist Breakfast
              Tourist Breakfast 16 September 2013 16: 45 New
              0
              Полагаю, что мы с "товарищем" - по разные стороны информационных баррикад...


              And you try to study and analyze the information coming from both sides of the barricades. This is useful for forming your own opinion.
              1. Double major
                Double major 16 September 2013 18: 57 New
                +2
                Impossible. I did not even believe in fairy tales as a child. And some of the links you cited were written not even for children — they won’t even buy ... My youngest son, 14 years old, is filtering pretty well now the materials published from the liberal Sadomites and their friends from Zion ...
                1. Tourist Breakfast
                  Tourist Breakfast 16 September 2013 22: 28 New
                  0
                  And some of the links you cited are written not even for children — they won’t even buy ..


                  Which specifically? Can you bring?

                  On the one hand (the blog is on my link) we have a detailed analysis of the progress of the database, disaggregated by district and chronology. Moreover, the author is absolutely neutral and does not support any side in the conflict.
                  С другой стороны - заштампованые агитки Елены Громовой в стиле газеты "Правда" годов "застоя". Мне кажется даже 14-ти летний может сделать выводы, не то что взрослый человек.
                  Unless you are here on the forum on duty. I guessed?
            2. atalef
              atalef 16 September 2013 18: 48 New
              +1
              Цитата: Дважды майор
              Полагаю, что мы с "товарищем" - по разные стороны информационных баррикад...

              those. You acknowledge. that the truth is somewhere in the middle

              Цитата: Дважды майор
              And - you will not believe - now the people really rallied around al-Assad

              I really will not believe

              Цитата: Дважды майор
              But the bandits simply do not leave another people out. Or al-Assad, or slaughter

              come on you. in Syria, 20 million people, this is how many bandits are needed, so that the army and the entire people could not cope with them for 2 years.
              Does the example of Chegevara tell you anything? He went to Bolivia to cook a popular uprising, but without the support of the local population he was extradited and killed (without any regret of the local population) for the freedom of which he allegedly fought. Nyodna. Remember, no gang group or underground cannot exist for a long time without the support of the local population. Chechnya and Dagestan - a good example for you. For how many years they have been fighting, but they cannot win.


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              . By the way, Gromov writes about Syria, basically, the truth.

              Primarily? those. Do you recognize part of the lie?
              1. Double major
                Double major 16 September 2013 19: 40 New
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                1. Посередине - нейтралка. 2. Бандитов поддерживается около 100 - 120 тыс. С учетом пополнений - достаточно, при организованной диверсионной работе. Запугать мирное население вообще много не надо - вошли в город, зарезали на глазах у населения сотню - другую, население попряталось по подвалам - они не умеют драться с бандитами. 3. Для диверсионной работы (не оскорбляйте партизан - партизаны на своей земле за Родину) не обязательна поддержка населения. Достаточно - линии снабжения от "своих" - в данном случае - Катар, саудиты, мед. помощь - Израиль... 3. Часть лжи не признаю. Ответил?
                1. atalef
                  atalef 16 September 2013 19: 56 New
                  +1
                  Цитата: Дважды майор
                  1. In the middle is neutral

                  In the middle is true, lies around the edges

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                  Given the replenishment - enough, with organized diversion work.

                  That you tell your 14-year-old son, he will believe.

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                  In general, there isn’t much need to intimidate the civilian population - they entered the city, slaughtered a hundred or two before the eyes of the population, the population hid in the basements - they do not know how to fight with bandits.

                  Have you read fairy tales about the Wild West? And where is the 600t Syrian army + security services. And how many bandits above to intimidate and drive into the cellars the millionth Alepo?

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                  For sabotage work (do not insult the partisans - partisans on their land for their homeland) the support of the population is not required

                  It’s not necessary if it’s blown up and ran away --- here it’s about two years

                  Цитата: Дважды майор
                  Достаточно - линии снабжения от "своих" - в данном случае - Катар, саудиты, мед. помощь - Израиль..

                  Which neither the local population nor the army can cut, or they have cordon along all roads, and medical assistance to Israel, well, for example today
                  Минувшей ночью, с 14 на 15 сентября, в больницу "Зив" (Цфат) был доставлен десятилетний сирийский мальчик с осколочными ранениями конечностей, полученными в результате взрыва минометного снаряда. В настоящее время его жизни ничего не угрожает.

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                  Part of the lie I do not recognize. Replied?

                  No, because You are part of a lie.
                  1. Double major
                    Double major 16 September 2013 20: 29 New
                    +4
                    1. Между позициями противника всегда нейтралка. Читайте Устав. 2. Про диверсионную работу я сыну пока рассказывать не буду - молод ещё. Достаточно пока занятий по рукопашке. 3. Про "акции устрашения", проводимые бандитами на занятых территориях погуглите - информации достаточно. К примеру, помню, в какой-то деревне они собрали несколько семей, сперва изнасиловали и зарезали девочек (детей), потом расстреляли их родителей. После этого население вело себя смирно. Ну, героев не так много, на самом деле. 4. При поддержке из вне на занятых территориях можно сидеть сколько угодно долго при организации пополнений, поставках вооружений, боеприпасов и продуктов. Посмотрите на карту - вокруг враги, все пути перерезать трудно. 5. Минометами в Сирии пользуются бандиты - мальчика ранили при их очередном обстреле. Даже странно, что евреи его стали лечить, а не отправили в лагерь сразу, как детей Палестины... 6. Так вот, ложь идет от Вас... У нас Ваша тактика беседы называется - с больной головы на здоровую...
                    1. alone
                      alone 16 September 2013 21: 35 New
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                      there is no neutral. everything is mixed like a layer cake.
                    2. atalef
                      atalef 16 September 2013 22: 19 New
                      +1
                      Цитата: Дважды майор
                      . Between the positions of the enemy is always neutral. Read the Charter

                      Turn on the brain

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                      I won’t tell my son about sabotage work yet - I’m still young.

                      Strange, but liberalist Zionists are already distinguished laughing

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                      For example, I remember that in a village they gathered several families, at first raped and killed the girls (children), then they shot their parents.

                      Do not deny . AND? I understand that parents or relatives did not want to take revenge. and hid in caches. and began to help the rapists, otherwise they would get fucked. Do not sculpt a hunchback

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                      . With support from outside in occupied territories, you can sit for as long as you like with the organization of replenishment, the supply of weapons, ammunition and products. Look at the map - there are enemies around, all paths are difficult to cut.

                      I don’t need to look at the map, I see Syria every two to three weeks without binoculars (And Lebanon generally every day from the balcony).

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                      The bandits use mortars in Syria - the boy was wounded during their next shelling. It’s even strange that the Jews began to treat him, and did not send him to the camp immediately, like the children of Palestine ..

                      One gyrus, and that of the cap, or rather two (like twice a major) - but perpendicular. I won’t even prove anything. Go on training cats and son hang noodles on the ears laughing
        2. plantagenet
          plantagenet 16 September 2013 20: 41 New
          +3
          This could be believed if there had not been any protests against the authorities before that. However, in Syria there was already a civil war of 1976-1982. One of the saddest events of those years was the assault by government forces of the rebellious city of Hama, populated mainly by Sunnis. Then, according to various estimates, from 17 to 40 thousand people died. These events were called the Hama massacre.
          1. alone
            alone 16 September 2013 21: 36 New
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            Quote: plantagenet
            This could be believed if there had not been any protests against the authorities before that. However, in Syria there was already a civil war of 1976-1982. One of the saddest events of those years was the assault by government forces of the rebellious city of Hama, populated mainly by Sunnis. Then, according to various estimates, from 17 to 40 thousand people died. These events were called the Hama massacre.


            This conflict did not start today. And not yesterday. There were obvious contradictions in society. Therefore, they were able to blow up the situation.
      3. ultra
        ultra 16 September 2013 15: 52 New
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        Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
        why the war is still going on for more than two years

        Of key importance in this is feeding the rebels from outside! In the absence of such a war would not have received such a scope and duration!
        1. Tourist Breakfast
          Tourist Breakfast 16 September 2013 16: 04 New
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          Of key importance in this is feeding the rebels from outside! In the absence of such a war would not have received such a scope and duration!


          Of key importance here is the support of the rebels by a significant part of the country's population. Without this factor, no external assistance will help a handful of terrorist monstrosities in confrontation with a regular army with heavy weapons and aircraft.
          1. Double major
            Double major 16 September 2013 16: 13 New
            +3
            Да нет там никакой поддержки населения бандитам. Даже те, кто год назад поддерживал - массово перешли на сторону законного правительства полгода назад. Чистая интервенция, за бандюков воюют наемники со всего света. Сегодня на "Сегодня.ру" была свежая информация - киргизы поймали у себя троих местных, готовили диверсии к ШОСу, все - местные, пришли из Сирии, имеют опыт боевых действий и проведения диверсий... Пишут, по 30 лет диверсантам светит. Вот такие там "за демократию" и воюют. Какая у них может быть поддержка среди вырезаемого населения? На захваченных территориях население запугано, несогласных режут безжалостно, причем, с семьями.
            1. Tourist Breakfast
              Tourist Breakfast 16 September 2013 16: 19 New
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              In the occupied territories, the population is intimidated, dissenters are cut ruthlessly, moreover, with families.


              Are you like a major? Explain how saboteurs from outside who do not have heavy weapons can capture large territories under the nose of a regular army?
              The history of wars knows no analogs like this.
              1. Double major
                Double major 16 September 2013 16: 29 New
                +2
                Просто. Армия не большая, бандиты массово переходят границу, и начинают занимать территории. Армия "размазывается" по площадям страны, и в каждом конкретном месте оказывается в абсолютном меньшинстве. Так было в начале...
                1. Tourist Breakfast
                  Tourist Breakfast 16 September 2013 16: 42 New
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                  The army is not big


                  The Syrian Ground Forces (Syrian Arab Army, SAA) - one of the types of the Syrian Armed Forces.
                  The number is 220 thousand people. They include - 3 army corps, 12 divisions (3 mechanized, 7 armored, 1 special forces, 1 Republican Guard), 13 separate brigades (4 infantry, border guards, 2 missile ("Point" and "Moon"), missile OTR (R- 11), coastal defense missile, 2 artillery, 2 anti-tank), 10 special forces regiments, 1 separate tank regiment. Reserves: headquarters of the tank division, 2 tank, 31 infantry, 3 artillery regiments [1].

                  Add to this the police, the militia of Shabikh, the militants of Hezbollah and the IRGC.

                  Это по вашему "небольшая армия?
                  1. Double major
                    Double major 16 September 2013 19: 08 New
                    +2
                    And in your opinion - big? Your Israel, with an area of ​​22 thousand square meters. km has an army of 186 thousand people; ATS with an area of ​​185 thousand square meters. km., has an army of 220 thousand people. In my opinion - quite small. One can even say that it’s insufficient, given such nuclear armed militarized neighbors ... I need help, I suppose ... To deter such a neighbor, we need to deploy our own strategic missile forces there, and bring troops to one and a half million ... To achieve cover density, as in Of Israel ...
                    1. atalef
                      atalef 16 September 2013 19: 59 New
                      -1
                      Цитата: Дважды майор
                      And in your opinion - big? Your Israel, with an area of ​​22 thousand square meters. km has an army of 186 thousand people; ATS with an area of ​​185 thousand square meters. km., has an army of 220 thousand people. In my opinion - quite small. One could even say - insufficient, given such nuclear armed militarized neighbors

                      Are you really a major? (at least once)

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                      To deter such a neighbor, we must deploy our own strategic missile forces there, and bring troops to one and a half million

                      Clinic, have you been commissioned from the army?
                      1. Double major
                        Double major 16 September 2013 20: 39 New
                        +2
                        I am really a major. And indeed, twice, the titles with a certain breakdown received in different departments. And none of them was commissioned. And you are not angry. And then your arguments become absolutely not convincing ...
                      2. atalef
                        atalef 16 September 2013 22: 23 New
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                        Цитата: Дважды майор
                        I am really a major. And indeed, twice, ranks with a certain breakdown received in different departments

                        A deplorable sight, if in the Republic of Armenia such majors, I want to cry. crying
                        Perhaps a trillion allocated GDP is not enough

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                        And none of them was commissioned

                        This is amazing.
              2. alone
                alone 16 September 2013 21: 39 New
                +2
                Maxim Leonidovich, this is inconsequential))) to have a half-million army and security services, 4500-5000 tanks, about 9000 infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers of a thousand artillery barrels, RSZO and brigade brigades, and to call it all a small army is somehow inconceivable)))
    2. alone
      alone 16 September 2013 21: 26 New
      +3
      when 70% of Sunnis live in the country, and all the power belongs to the Alawites to say that all the people for power is impossible. You can’t lose 50% of the territories with full popular confidence. Wahhabis never go to places where there is no internal support. Here is one example. the most implacable enemy of the Wahhabis is Iran. why do not the Wahhabis start a war against Iran? because in Iran 98% of the population are Shia Jafarites.
      actually, in my opinion, hezbollah is the IRGC expeditionary force in Lebanon. while there is Iran, there is hezbollah
  • Des10
    Des10 16 September 2013 14: 27 New
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    Thanks for the article. +
  • Daler
    Daler 16 September 2013 14: 32 New
    +3
    Враг моего врага мой друг. Шииты и сунниты в конце концов- мусульмане. Все таки у евреев другое место. До тех пор пока про-израильские и про-европейские проплаченные "имамы", "террористы" и всякая другая проплаченная нечисть будет воевать, нельзя говорить о войне между шиитами и суннитами. Эти террористы воюют ради денег, им плевать на то кто суннит и шиит, или христианин. Задача сделать хаос в конкретной стране и все. Почему то в Индонезии, Малайзии никто никого не убивает потому что он принадлежит к какому то другому течению Ислама. Я видел в мечетах Малайзии люди курили( для меня это было шоком), но там никто никого не УБИВАЕТ!. Что еще раз доказывает, шииты,сунниты,алавиты и прочие не являются причиной. И всякий кто хочет предоставить это так, является врагом(может быть и сильно сказано) ислама. Как бы, пусть убивают себя сами, а мы тут постоим, не мы же сделали это, поокупируем еще побольше земли.. нормально так устроились товарисч Гельман.
    1. Double major
      Double major 16 September 2013 20: 06 New
      +2
      These are the enemies of not only Islam ... Do not offend, dear ...
    2. atalef
      atalef 16 September 2013 20: 13 New
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      Quote: Daler
      The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Shiites and Sunnis in the end are Muslims

      The Orthodox with Catholics do not get along with it the same way, but with Protestants they still do so in Ulster. But this is Europe
      By the way, from the point of view of the Sunnis = - Shiites are apostates, because violate the main commandment of Islam - There is no God but Allah, and Muhamed is his prophet. They (Shiites) also believe in Ali.
      Alawites - this is from the point of view of Orthodox Islam (which the Sunnis consider themselves to be) - in general, a nest of heresies worthy of destruction. Like the Druze people by the way (if you know who it is) Never paid attention to where the Druze, Alavites live. Kharijits? Always in the mountains, on the tops of mountains, hills - why? So it was easier for them to control the approaches to their villages and in time to repel the attacks of the Sunnis who cut them with enviable frequency

      Quote: Daler
      До тех пор пока про-израильские и про-европейские проплаченные "имамы", "террористы" и всякая другая проплаченная нечисть будет воевать, нельзя говорить о войне между шиитами и суннитами.

      In the garden, tell tales to children

      Quote: Daler
      For some reason, in Indonesia, Malaysia, no one is killing anyone because he belongs to some other Islamic movement.

      Malaysia is a different story altogether, as is Indonesia. They are primarily not Arabs. And indeed quite quiet and calm Muslim countries. Only where does Shiite Sunnis. Crosse of Iran. Azerbaijan (but it is a secular country 0 a little bit of Bahrain and Saudi Arabia with the Emirates, and Lebanon --- there are no Shiites anywhere in the world. As far as I know, the same is true.

      Quote: Daler
      And anyone who wants to give it this way is the enemy (maybe very much said) of Islam.

      From theory to practice is very far. In Russia, it seems that there is no interethnic hatred, and anyone who incites this should be in prison, but it’s strange that half of the site has not yet been transplanted

      Quote: Daler
      e, we did it, we will buy even more land .. normally this is how Comrade Gelman settled down

      Is it strange? And Gelman has something to do with it. like the Palestinians. why are they fighting against Assad? Perhaps they are for supporting the occupation of the Golan Heights laughing
      1. Daler
        Daler 17 September 2013 08: 04 New
        -1
        A Jew is such a Jew. I didn’t know what I was saying here. To me, as a Muslim Sunni, compared to Jews, Shiite is my brother. And as an example, I have cited above countries where they can live together without problems. And what have they to do with the Arabs or not. The only reason why this is in the Arab countries is Israel. Israel does not need neighbors to develop; they need people of the Stone Age around them. To continue the occupation. In the world there is not a single country that was founded as Israel. They slaughtered Arabs with entire villages, and in honor of this terrorist Ben Gurion also called the airport and much more. This is what the country of Israel is based on terrorism and killings.
        1. Professor
          Professor 17 September 2013 08: 18 New
          +3
          Quote: Daler
          The only reason why this is in the Arab countries is Israel.

          Glory to Alah that Israel can be blamed for its deplorable situation. Of course, Israel is to blame for the fact that in Yemen they marry 8-year-old girls who do not all survive after the wedding night with a 40-year-old husband. Israel is guilty that the Arabs do not produce anything, but only sell oil which they themselves cannot produce. Israel is to blame for all the troubles of the Arabs and in general all the Muslims of the world. Cool, 7 million Jews make a billion Muslims. so it turns out? He suspected that Batman, Superman were Jews, but that all Jews Barmen and Superman did not suspect ...
          1. Daler
            Daler 17 September 2013 09: 00 New
            -3
            Who said that you are 7 million? And in other countries of the world? For a Jew, only Israel is home. Half of the US Congress, all the major world media, the president of Germany !!!, France, etc. Jews. They took the whole of the USA and Europe, and ordinary soldiers die for you, of course, they set up not only the Islamic world, but also other countries. Generally gesture, think we don’t know anything. Do you think the citizens of Europe or the United States are generally happy to send their soldiers to Syria? they are sent by the government where more than half the Jews.

            Of all the above, I said that only you were outraged? And not that the terrorist Batman Ben Gurion slaughtered Arabs in villages? yes bravo
            1. Professor
              Professor 17 September 2013 15: 46 New
              +2
              Quote: Daler
              Who said that you are 7 million? And in other countries of the world? For a Jew, only Israel is home. Half of the US Congress, all the major world media, the president of Germany !!!, France, etc. Jews

              even cooler, 13 million Jews have squandered the entire planet Earth. good Himself not tired of underestimating yourself? What are the Jews today? How many Arabs do you give for a Jew?
        2. Essenger
          Essenger 17 September 2013 17: 11 New
          +2
          Quote: Daler
          To me, as a Muslim Sunni, compared to Jews, Shiite is my brother.


          Well, of course, you say that because your brothers are Shiite Persians)

          VO became a breeding ground for animal anti-Semitism.

          Anti-Semitism must be stopped radically, at least on this site.
  • knn54
    knn54 16 September 2013 14: 35 New
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    Anti-imperialist and anti-Zionist alliance of Sunnis and Shiites has ceased to exist ...
    PS ... And when the companions, the consent of Allah over them, they asked:
    “O Prophet of Allah, our Nejed (a place in the eastern part of the Arabian Peninsula, there is the capital of the SA, is this the homeland of the Saudis.)? "
    The Prophet, blessing of God and salutation to him, answered after the third time:
    "There are earthquakes and turmoil, and there will come the horn of shaitan."
    Wahhabis (Neo-Kharijits) came out of Nejede. Comments are superfluous!
  • Nayhas
    Nayhas 16 September 2013 15: 06 New
    +1
    You will break the list of armed groups that now exist in Syria. It seems that each locality forms its own unit, assigns it any name associated with Allah and forward. It is not clear who is fighting with whom. And with Assad and with each other ... And these hundreds of disparate formations are called the opposition, while the statement or deed of one of the groups is immediately attributed to the entire opposition! Again, everyone was attributed to Al Qaeda, although I am sure the majority has nothing to do with it.
  • Essenger
    Essenger 16 September 2013 15: 21 New
    -1
    hezbollah is the fascists
    1. Double major
      Double major 16 September 2013 19: 13 New
      +1
      Hezbollah is the patriots of their homeland. But the fascists are aggressors who tried to subjugate the world to themselves, in order to establish the dominance of their race over other nations. Until we came across ... Well, everyone knows ... What is common?
      1. atalef
        atalef 16 September 2013 20: 18 New
        +5
        Цитата: Дважды майор
        And the Nazis are aggressors who tried to subjugate the world to themselves, in order to establish the dominance of their race over others

        Do not confuse the Nazis with the Nazis. Fascism generally originated in Italy.
        Fascism (ital. Fascismo from fascio “union, bundle, bundle, unification”) is a generalized name for extreme right-wing political movements, ideologies and the corresponding form of government of a dictatorial type [1] [2], the characteristic features of which are nationalism, personality cult, militarism , totalitarianism [3] [4].

        Although you probably do not understand this. You know, don’t bother. And then suddenly and three times become a major laughing
      2. alone
        alone 16 September 2013 21: 42 New
        +1
        ordinary terrorists. even an employee of the embassy of the USSR were killed brutally and in cold blood.
      3. Essenger
        Essenger 17 September 2013 17: 04 New
        +2
        twice major
        Sorry to be absent, atalef answered better than I could)
        There was no difference between socialism in Germany and the USSR. The Germans openly said that they had National Socialism, while the Russians simply played imaginary internationalism. Therefore, in order to dust the brains of ordinary citizens, Germans were called fascists. Advocacy in the USSR worked no worse than in Germany)
  • bubla5
    bubla5 16 September 2013 16: 39 New
    0
    While Sunnis and Shiites wet each other, Israelis can sleep peacefully
    1. Double major
      Double major 16 September 2013 19: 15 New
      +2
      That is true. And only in Syria the plan didn’t work - the Syrian Sunnis did not fight with the Syrian Shiites ... So they had to organize an intervention of Wahhabis, who had no roots in the SAR ...
      1. alone
        alone 16 September 2013 22: 08 New
        +1
        Well, where is the logic? Wahhabis without roots came and took half of the country from the Sunnis and the Shiites, who are not fighting each other, but are fighting against the Wahhabis
  • slacker
    slacker 16 September 2013 18: 30 New
    +3
    The initiators and sponsors of this massacre in the person of Israel-USA-Saudi-Qatar are to blame for the outbreak of war in Syria. It is necessary to raise the question of bringing the leadership of these states, their special services and other persons involved to the international court for unleashing a war, committing war crimes and crimes against humanity.
    Russia and China can come up with such an initiative at the UN site and this will be a good sobering shower for Jewish-Sunni lovers to use weapons and kill innocent people.
    1. Double major
      Double major 16 September 2013 20: 04 New
      +2
      I completely agree with this.
    2. atalef
      atalef 16 September 2013 20: 21 New
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      Quote: Loafer
      Russia and China can come up with such an initiative at the UN site and this will be a good sobering shower for Jewish-Sunni lovers to use weapons and kill innocent people.

      You are tormented by idleness. read a little bit. maybe then heresy do not wake up writing. In Syria, 70% of the Sunni population.
      1. Double major
        Double major 16 September 2013 20: 42 New
        +4
        Well, sir, you have completely switched to rudeness ... If there is nothing more to object to, sit down, calm down, use your brain to scratch ...
  • Grbear
    Grbear 16 September 2013 20: 19 New
    +1
    I tried to honestly understand the difference between the trends in Islam and realized that these were theological interpretations of one teaching, which differ in the rigor of the rituals. But Allah is one. An analogue in the history of Russia is double-toed and triple-toed. And this led to a split in a society that cast Russia aside, God knows where. But then there was no Internet and rockets.
    Conclusions:
    • Islam is used as an instrument of politicians, and nothing personal is only a business.
    • Russia needs to work only with legitimate governments, regardless of religious coloring, and emphasize diplomatic relations on this.
    • Внутри страны жестко пресекать любые попытки религии влиять на государственное устройство или законы. Причем, не имеет значения название религии. Теологи пусть доказывают друг другу — чье толкование Законов Божьих "правее", но как только появляются претензии на исключительность или призывы к … — выжигать "каленым железом".

    God be god but! - to Caesar Caesarean.
  • Tourist Breakfast
    Tourist Breakfast 16 September 2013 22: 52 New
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    And in the meantime:

    On Monday, UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon presented to the Security Council a report by experts from this organization on the use of chemical weapons in Syria, which was considered in a closed meeting.

    В этом отчете, о котором пишет сегодня, 16 сентября, новостное агентство АР со ссылкой на собственные источники, говорится: инспекторы получили "ясные и недвусмысленные" доказательства того, что 21 августа в окрестностях Дамаска и, в частности, в Восточной Гуте, Эйн-Тарме, Моадамии и Замалке, были использованы ракеты класса "земля-земля", начиненные нервно-паралитическим газом зарин, жертвами которого стали сотни мирных жителей.
    The report was handed out the day before by the head of the expert group, Aka Sellstrom, to UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon. The press does not yet report on who is blamed for the use of chemical weapons, the rebels or the Assad regime.


    Now, it is necessary to take into account the fact that the Damascus neighborhoods affected by the chemical attack are isolated centers of rebel resistance that Assad forces have been besieging for several months. Consequently, the chances that the rebels managed to organize such a massive shelling of these areas with rockets with sarin from territory controlled by Assad troops are close to zero.
    So, it turns out that the responsibility for this crime lies with the people of Assad and himself.
    1. alone
      alone 16 September 2013 23: 09 New
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      actually I’ll tell you that this is what I think. I think this applies to all states. If there are any problems in the state, all responsibility lies with the authorities. This applies not only to Syria.
      1. Tourist Breakfast
        Tourist Breakfast 17 September 2013 00: 23 New
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        actually I’ll tell you that this is what I think. I think this applies to all states. If there are any problems in the state, all responsibility lies with the authorities. This applies not only to Syria.


        Absolutely right! Where only the feet go away from the authorities, great blood cannot be avoided.
  • garik77
    garik77 17 September 2013 01: 55 New
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    It would be interesting to know, but hesbollah sees its role in the future world order ... Pindopolitics included them in the list of terrorist organizations.
  • Mista_dj
    Mista_dj 20 September 2013 01: 11 New
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    Plusanul.
    Thanks to the author, it was interesting to read.