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Is it time to take Syria to the CSTO?

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Now the focus is on the struggle around Syria on the fronts of foreign policy. Because of this, the work of the military, both ours and the Syrian, has faded into the background. How is the war going on now with the bandits, what does the Russian fleet do nearby and what does the American fleet do? What is it all about?


US Navy forces in the region remain unimportant. One American aircraft carrier group is in the Persian Gulf and will not be able to take part in a strike on Syria - the flight through Iraq and Jordan is closed. The second is in the Red Sea and can use Israeli corridors. But there are only 48 fighters - not enough against Syria.

In the Mediterranean Sea there are a landing ship and five destroyers, but two of them go home. Perhaps there is also one or two nuclear submarines (nuclear submarines). As a result, the number of Tomahok cruise missiles on all of these ships is hardly more than 200–250. This is too little against Syria. Of course, there is an option to use strategic Aviation- but there are problems too. In general, while the American forces are too few to cause serious damage to a country with such air defense, as in Syria.

Meanwhile, Syria is actively pursuing measures to disperse troops, deploy air defense assets to other positions other than peacetime. Moreover - most likely, the position will change more than once. Measures are being taken to disguise and locate vehicle mock-ups and create a jamming environment for cruise and other missile guidance systems in all ranges.

Aviation is dispersed. Moreover, in recent days, the activity of the best part of aviation has sharply increased - the MiG-29 and MiG-23MLD fighters, which have not participated in the war so far. Some parts of the ground forces are also actively dispersed in spare areas. Indeed, more than half of the Syrian army does not participate in the war on terror, but holds the borders with Israel and Turkey or controls free areas.

In the previous article, "AN" has already considered the means by which the Syrian army can repel the attacks of cruise missiles and US aircraft, or significantly reduce the consequences of an attack. Now it seems that the Syrians do not intend to sit down in a deaf defense. They are already leading a psychological war.

Recently, Syrian warplanes flew Cyprus flights around the British air base Akrotiri. The first time was a pair of MiG-29CM fighters, the second one was a pair of Su-24MK bombers. They did not show any hostile intentions, and after they were lifted from the base of NATO fighters, they turned home.

Such visits demonstrate that Cyprus, located in 100 miles from Syria, is under attack by long-range missiles, which, in addition, will not come without an escort. And they will not need to fly far, considering the range of the missiles.

A good hint to Cyprus is that you should not be allowed to use your bases to attack Syria. Nicosia, however, immediately stated that it prohibited it. Also, these flights showed the Americans that their ships, even keeping out of the 300-kilometer zone from the coast of the SAR and thus avoiding the destruction of the coastal Yakhont anti-ship missiles, would still not be safe.

Concentration of Russian pennants

Back in February of this year, the largest Russian inter-naval exercises took place off the coast of Syria. fleet. In their course, a grouping of 32 pennants of combat and auxiliary ships and ships, as well as submarines was concentrated. Since then, from 6 to 16 of our ships have been constantly off the coast of Syria.

At the moment, allegedly according to a planned rotation in the Mediterranean, Russian ships are being shaken. Recently, the Mediterranean squadron was headed by a large anti-submarine ship of the 1155 project “Adm. Panteleev ”- he will pass the flag of the commander when the missile cruiser“ Moscow ”arrives. He canceled the planned visit to Cape Verde and headed to the shores of Syria. The Varyag rocket cruiser of the same type will also “jerk” across the Indian Ocean to the Mediterranean Sea after the end of the visit to Australia.

A projectile destroyer of Project 956 “Persistent” is leaving the Baltic. The region continues to expand the fleet of large landing ships (BDKs) - there are already seven of them. Part of the ships goes within the framework of the “Syrian Express” to Tartus. They are "packed" with weapons and ammunition to the maximum. Another - cruises off the coast of the SAR as part of a squadron. They are loaded with marine corps and its equipment. Each BDK, depending on the project, carries either 1000 tons of cargo, or 20 tanks, or fifty units of equipment, or 500 tons of cargo, or 10 tanks, or 20 units of equipment. And at the same time to the battalion of marines.

In the coming weeks, representatives of the "mosquito forces" will come from the Black Sea. A big rocket boat P-60 was recently in Syria with a brief visit, and now two “dangerous kids” are expected to approach - the large rocket boat Ivanovets of the 12411 project and the small rocket ship Shtil of the 1234 project (of the same type as the famous Mirage). The “little ones” are likely to be placed in Tartus and will provide base security. Yes, and four supersonic anti-ship missiles "Mosquito" and six "Malachite" will not be superfluous.

Concentrated in the region and submarine forces. Their presence is no longer denied by the Russian command. Of course, no one calls specifics. According to American data, in the squadron there are one or two “aircraft carrier killers” - nuclear submarines of the 949A “Antey” project (also known as “baton”). His heavy supersonic anti-ship missiles “Granit” are capable of cracking down on an entire aircraft carrier mix. Most likely, such boats are accompanied by two or three multi-purpose submarines of the 971 project.

In total, not counting submarines, a dozen and a half ships and vessels of the Russian fleet are already in the region and a dozen or more more will be there in the near future. A few days ago, a Chinese detachment of ships appeared near the Syrian coast. It consists of an 25-thousand-tonnage helicopter-landing ship-dock, a destroyer and a supply ship. On board the landing craft are a battalion of marines with equipment and several helicopters.

"We will help"

“If the strikes start, we will help Syria,” V. Putin stated. But what can we do? Much! We can quickly restore all the weapons that the Americans can destroy. And prevent Moscow from delivering weapon Washington will not be able to. Therefore, in the case of a long air war, Americans can get another Vietnam.

In addition, our ships are able to provide early warning of Syrian air defense missile attacks. Recently, the fleet, together with the radar station in Armavir, already did this during the launch of Israeli missiles in the Mediterranean. It is also possible to supply Syrians with information about sea targets and carry out jamming, say, under the guise of exercises.

And the Americans will not be able to let cruise missiles "over the head" of our fleet - this can be perceived as an attack. The leadership of the Russian Ministry of Defense has already subtly hinted that “God forbid, a rocket will fall into our ship”, noting that in this case “the consequences for the ecology of the region can be dangerous.” So you have to bypass. True, the wall in the sea of ​​the ships can not be built, so somewhere fly.

If there is a danger of a real invasion or massive strikes, you can enter into Syria, by mutual agreement with the legitimate government and on the basis of the 1980 Agreement of the year, your units, ensuring the integrity of the country from external threats. Although this step will be costly in terms of political consequences, and it is unlikely that it will go.

“Get ready for anything!”

Do not sit around and the Syrians themselves. They paid special attention to the creation of security zones at large air bases, for example, Mezza near Damascus and the international airport. Roads and paths under which militants can break through to the capital are taken under control, mining and defense engineering preparations are carried out. The operation itself under Damascus is called "Shield of the capital."

In an interview with the American media, Bashar Assad made it clear that during the US attack “should be prepared for anything.” There was information with links to unnamed sources in the Syrian army that allegedly several dozen sabotage groups of Syrian special forces with a total of up to several hundred fighters equipped with everything necessary have been withdrawn to the US territory. They are legalized, have various non-suspicious types of appearance (for example, Asian or European), know English well and have already been to the United States and adapted to the country.

They say that in the event of strikes against Syria, these groups will attack the infrastructure of the United States, causing enormous damage and causing chaos. We are talking about power plants, substations, hydrotechnical nodes, railway stations, oil and gas and military facilities. But the civilian population will not be attacked.

Allegedly, this decision was made by the leadership of Syria, based on the experience of Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya. Damascus made the right conclusion - they do not benefit from deaf defense. Is Syria able to do this? It may well be that yes. In any case, the Americans are not ready for such a war, despite all the antiterrorist hysteria.

How to get out of zugzwang

The American leadership has driven itself into a dead end unreasonable rhetoric on the subject of the alleged chemical attack. Recently, however, Washington has a chance to save face (but not everything else). The leaderships of Russia and Syria offered to “take Syrian chemical weapons under international control.” It must be assumed that both among the UN “supervisors” and among the troops guarding them will be Russian and Chinese, and in significant numbers. Moreover, the troops of Russia and China are already near - on ships.

The Americans at the time of this writing have already lowered the degree of rhetoric and, despite Kerry’s confused and contradictory statements, made it clear that they support the idea and are ready to “postpone” the blows for an indefinite period. Of course, Syria will need specifics and guarantees against attacks, including from Israel or Turkey. It seems that the best option in this case would be the statement of Russia, already having the Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation and Mutual Assistance, with the statement that the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the SAR are guaranteed by Moscow. Or - the adoption of Syria in the CSTO. Let's see what this initiative will lead to.
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  1. bomg.77
    bomg.77 16 September 2013 05: 45 New
    +8
    They say that in the event of strikes against Syria, these groups will attack the infrastructure of the United States, causing enormous damage and causing chaos. We are talking about power plants, substations, hydrotechnical nodes, railway stations, oil and gas and military facilities. But the civilian population will not be attacked.
    Iran also announced this, which means they will fight to the end.
    1. Orel
      Orel 16 September 2013 06: 08 New
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      At the time of this writing, the Americans have already reduced the degree of rhetoric and, despite Kerry’s confused and contradictory statements, made it clear that they support the idea and are ready to “postpone” the attacks for an indefinite period.


      No need to believe that much. Saudi paid money and the contract must be worked out. We won time for Assad, maybe even a lot of time, but the United States was hardly completely abandoned from the overthrow of Assad and a possible military strike ... Chemical weapons are just an excuse, and there are many more pretexts for an invasion ...
      1. MG42
        MG42 16 September 2013 06: 14 New
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        In total, not counting submarines, a dozen ships and vessels of the Russian fleet are already in the region, and a dozen or more will be there in the near future.

        Definitely, power diplomacy is much more effective than just diplomacy, because Putin was not afraid to <play with muscles> brought current success and the Americans took a break ..
        Decisiveness = this is what neither EBN nor Medvedev lacked in relations with the United States, Putin has such charisma ..
        Let's see how events will develop further ..
        1. AVV
          AVV 16 September 2013 09: 25 New
          +3
          Americans are afraid of losses and decisive actions! So do not let Amers relax! Let them relax in the latrine !!!
          1. Natalia
            Natalia 16 September 2013 11: 13 New
            +1
            Various alliances with Syria are essential for Russia, this would be a great justification for the open and comprehensive support of this country. The fall of Syria would mean Russia's withdrawal from the Middle East, the loss of Turtus and many many problems in the future. Syria needs to be integrated closer to Russia by any means available; it will be the CSTO or something else, the main thing is.
            1. Sandov
              Sandov 16 September 2013 13: 29 New
              +1
              If there is a danger of a real invasion or massive strikes, you can enter into Syria, by mutual agreement with the legitimate government and on the basis of the 1980 Agreement of the year, your units, ensuring the integrity of the country from external threats. Although this step will be costly in terms of political consequences, and it is unlikely that it will go.

              This had to be done 3 years ago. But better late than never.
          2. Free Island
            Free Island 16 September 2013 13: 17 New
            +2
            Yes Yes Yes! as in a joke .. dad is with his little son, and on their way one dog fuyut-fuyuyuyuyut another ...... well, the boy and asks the folder "dad, what are they doing?" ... Dad scratched his turnip .. .chould it be more culturally to explain, so as not to injure the children's psyche and say, "Well, the one from below .. relaxed ..." "And the second? the one from above? .. Dad did not find what to say and said directly" and the second her e ... t !!! ".. then he warily asks the kid,“ Did you understand something son? ”yes, dad, I understand .. don’t relax, and then you ... ut!)))) like that, and the USA. .. you don’t need to relax, otherwise it’s like that dog ... PS, by the way, the USA resembles a yard bully who probably was in every yard ... he walks like that, in fact, he doesn’t represent anything but he has the untwisted brand, PR, that it’s supposedly cool here, cooler and stronger than everyone and that’s why everyone is afraid of it, and not because it’s actually cool
            1. Che
              Che 16 September 2013 18: 42 New
              +1
              Free Island
              wassat She is a shpana all over the world on her head is weak, anything can be expected from amers.
      2. Nitup
        Nitup 16 September 2013 09: 59 New
        +5
        Quote: Orel
        No need to believe that much. Saudi paid money and the contract must be worked out. We won time for Assad, maybe even a lot of time, but the United States was hardly completely abandoned from the overthrow of Assad and a possible military strike ... Chemical weapons are just an excuse, and there are many more pretexts for an invasion ...

        Do you think the United States will fight for the interests of the Saudis and their money? Saudis are obedient vassals of the Anglo-Saxons. The processes are driven by the fittest, and not vice versa. First of all, the States themselves need war. And here are 2 options. since the United States cannot refuse to physically eliminate Assad and his government. Therefore, 1 - the United States will continue to wage war in Syria with the help of terrorists and try to conduct an operation to eliminate Assad. 2- The United States will conduct another provocation (possibly with the goal of forcing third countries: Israel or Turkey to get involved in the war) and still strike at Syria. By the way, in Turkey mass riots began again. It remains only to organize a provocation and the Turkish authorities can go to war with Syria. This is a question of their stay in power.
        1. wax
          wax 16 September 2013 12: 04 New
          +1
          I add that Saudi money is printed in America. So why take them from the Saudis? It is not the Saudis who are turning the States, but the States are turning the Saudis.
          1. Nitup
            Nitup 16 September 2013 14: 29 New
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            Quote: Wax
            I add that Saudi money is printed in America. So why take them from the Saudis? It is not the Saudis who are turning the States, but the States are turning the Saudis.

            Yes, in fact, the currencies of almost all countries of the world are repainted dollars that came to the country for given goods and resources.
        2. DEfindER
          DEfindER 16 September 2013 12: 34 New
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          Quote: Nitup
          By the way, in Turkey mass riots began again. It remains only to organize a provocation and the Turkish authorities can go to war with Syria. This is a question of their stay in power.

          If Turkey goes to war with Syria during the riots inside the country, then Erdogan himself will be pulled out to the square and lynched .. the angry people there still did not have enough war for complete happiness!
    2. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim 16 September 2013 06: 16 New
      0
      Quote: bomg.77
      Iran also announced this, which means they will fight to the end

      It's obvious. The Americans drastically slowed down, now it’s possible to get out of their pit vryatli. They won’t let rockets above our heads (they certainly won’t go to suicide), there are only cracks and deviation groups, but they are already waiting for them there.
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 16 September 2013 07: 09 New
        +3
        Quote: tronin.maxim
        the only gap and deviation groups, but there they are already waiting.
        I think now the Turks will be the skirmishers, since the sea is not an option.
    3. edge
      edge 16 September 2013 07: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: bomg.77
      So they will fight to the end.

      But didn’t we fight to the end in Spain, Mongolia and further around the world ........
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 16 September 2013 09: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: hert
        Quote: bomg.77
        So they will fight to the end.

        But didn’t we fight to the end in Spain, Mongolia and further around the world ........
        They fought, someone is against or claims that this is not so?
  2. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 16 September 2013 05: 47 New
    +6
    The situation, of course, as in such cases, said Marshal G.K. Zhukov, is piquant.
    But to talk about Syria’s membership in the CSTO, or the SCO, is ..., to put it mildly, youthful maximalism, coupled with isolation from reality, as well as the initiative
    stating that the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the ATS are guaranteed by Moscow.

    I think sosmile
    Have a good week everyone.hi
    1. wax
      wax 16 September 2013 12: 08 New
      +1
      stating that the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the ATS are guaranteed by Moscow

      CSTO is, of course, unrealizable, but a statement is quite possible, because It is Russia that is blamed for the chemical disarmament of Syria, so that the "world community" itself puts Russia in the same trough with Syria.
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 16 September 2013 13: 22 New
        0
        but the statement is quite possible, because It is Russia that is blamed for the chemical disarmament of Syria, so that the "world community" itself puts Russia in the same trough with Syria.

        Valery, a statement, for the sake of a statement it costs nothing. And the international pact, a NATO level with the famous 7th (in my opinion) clause on collective defense in the event of an attack on one of the treaty countries, alas, is impossible.
        So the "world community" is not planting anyone anywhere. soldier
    2. DEfindER
      DEfindER 16 September 2013 12: 41 New
      0
      Quote: Peaceful military
      But to talk about Syria’s membership in the CSTO, or the SCO, is ..., to put it mildly, youthful maximalism,

      Even the former union republics in Nato were accepted, and here the country with which we have close friendly, economic and military ties, has been around for 60 years already, all the reasons for inclusion in the CSTO.
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 16 September 2013 13: 30 New
        0
        Even the former Soviet republics in Nato have been accepted, and here the country with which we have close friendly, economic and military ties, has already been around 60 years, all the reasons for inclusion in the CSTO

        Vyacheslav, shouting is one thing, and cranking up a NATO-level pact with their famous 7th (in my opinion) clause on collective defense in the event of an attack on one of the treaty countries, is another. Alas, this is not possible now.
        By the way, I'm not sure that there is such a clause in the CSTO.
        As for the admission of the former "fraternal" republics to NATO, as an Estonian resident, all this happened before our eyes, against the background of the destruction of the USSR with the continuation of this process in the form of the collapse of Russia. I am silent about how the EBN signed an agreement with Estonia to legitimize us as 2nd-class people. I remember how troops were withdrawn from here.
        So this is completely different. soldier
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 16 September 2013 20: 22 New
          0
          Quote: Peaceful military
          Vyacheslav, shouting is one thing, and cranking up a NATO-level pact with their famous 7th (in my opinion) clause on collective defense in the event of an attack on one of the treaty countries, is another.

          Interestingly, but this item was checked in business? Or will it remain a “point”?
          1. Peaceful military
            Peaceful military 16 September 2013 21: 45 New
            0
            Interestingly, but this item was checked in business? Or will it remain a “point”?

            No, Sergei, he wasn’t, but more than once in the face of a potential threat, the troops began to move seriously, bombers from nuclear weapons took off, etc. Not to mention rhetoric.
        2. Bashkaus
          Bashkaus 16 September 2013 22: 52 New
          0
          And what, Belarus and I are brothers forever, a union state, and what? Of course, from behind the hillock they sometimes shit like that by quietly calling the dad, but by serious even “yapping” they are afraid of him in less than half a voice. Therefore, no matter what they say, but allied relations are a sacred matter, and everyone treats this with respect, that we are NATO, that they are ours.
  3. Letnab
    Letnab 16 September 2013 05: 54 New
    +4
    I didn’t think that so many ships could be put up with us ... Everything seemed so bad. sad
    1. My address
      My address 16 September 2013 06: 09 New
      +5
      And suddenly she smiled! smile A bluff or seriously let Babama wrinkles his forehead. August 2008 showed that we can and get angry.
      Alexey, sorry. I continued your comment, because I also thought that we had one destroyer and two paratroopers there, while the Merikos had thirty pieces.
    2. pklimov
      pklimov 16 September 2013 08: 23 New
      +6
      Still, it’s not worth it to strike into special euphoria, I suppose. It is clear that Russian troops will not directly get involved in the fighting - this is an unambiguous unleashing of an unnecessary direct clash with America. Therefore, to consider "where, how many and what size of trunks" is impractical, as it seems to me. Yes, and BDK still primarily trucks, not shock ships. But electronic warfare, air defense over the area where the ships are based, accidentally blocking the most optimal flight paths of the Tomahawks, the radar field - this seems to be a very likely option.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 16 September 2013 20: 23 New
        0
        Quote: pklimov
        It is clear that Russian troops will not directly get involved in the fighting - this is an unambiguous unleashing of an unnecessary direct clash with America.

        This should be thought not only of Russia, but also of the USA, let their ships be removed and there will be no war.
  4. Pit
    Pit 16 September 2013 06: 01 New
    +7
    Arizona Senator John McCain and his South Carolina colleague Lindsay Graham sharply criticized the US-Russia agreement on the elimination of Syrian chemical weapons.

    “What worries us most is that our friends and enemies will learn the same lesson from this agreement - they will begin to see this as provoking weakness on the American side. We cannot imagine that Iran aspiring to nuclear weapons could receive a more unhealthy signal, ”the statement of the senators, quoted by RIA Novosti, said.
    http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/1246152/

    The world is certainly good, but the Americans do not need it. And the war will not be what to wait for, most likely for a long time.
    1. bomg.77
      bomg.77 16 September 2013 06: 13 New
      0
      Quote: Pit
      “What worries us most is that our friends and enemies will learn the same lesson from this agreement - they will begin to see this as provoking weakness on the American side. We cannot imagine that Iran aspiring to nuclear weapons could get more

      With these words, he says that Iran is next, albeit veiled.
      1. Pit
        Pit 16 September 2013 07: 22 New
        +1
        Quote: bomg.77
        With these words, he says that Iran is next

        And what would Iran become next, it is necessary to erase Syria.
        And they don’t really want to wait for something. Too much money invested.
        So the respite should not be long, otherwise Syria will dig in even harder, and Iran will launch its bomb here. And that’s it, Finita la comedia!
        1. bomg.77
          bomg.77 16 September 2013 09: 36 New
          +1
          Quote: Pit
          and Iran will launch its bomb. And that’s it, Finita la comedia!
          Therefore, they will do anything, meanness, provocations, threats, blackmail. I think this is not all, they will not back down even if the whole world community is against it. For Israel, Iran’s nuclear weapons, it will be equivalent to sitting on a powder keg. Turkey she’ll press her tail too. I’m silent about the Saudis and others. Syria is on their way to Iran. hi
        2. demeen1
          demeen1 16 September 2013 09: 37 New
          +1
          Well, he’ll make a bomb, and what, to use it, I think that in Iran it’s not the suicides that are sitting, but the mattresses don’t care with whom to start the war and in what sequence.
          1. bomg.77
            bomg.77 16 September 2013 10: 15 New
            +1
            Quote: demeen1
            Well, he’ll make a bomb, and what, to use it, I think that in Iran it’s not the suicides that are sitting, but the mattresses don’t care with whom to start the war and in what sequence.
            If Iran makes a bomb, then it and Syria will quietly develop and strengthen without looking at the fact that someone is gouging them on a whim. Israel therefore arranges constant war in the BV so that there are no strong neighbors and everyone is in eternal chaos. The United States is just fists brain in Israel and the Jewish lobby.
            1. Nitup
              Nitup 16 September 2013 10: 29 New
              +1
              Quote: bomg.77
              If Iran makes a bomb, then it and Syria will quietly develop and strengthen without looking at the fact that someone is gouging them on a whim. Israel therefore arranges constant war in the BV so that there are no strong neighbors and everyone is in eternal chaos. The United States is just fists brain in Israel and the Jewish lobby.

              Not at all. Jews, in my opinion, are an instrument in the hands of the Anglo-Saxons. The control center of this trinity (UK, USA, Israel), and indeed the whole World is located in London. One of the rulers: the British monarchy.
              1. bomg.77
                bomg.77 16 September 2013 12: 41 New
                0
                Quote: Nitup
                The world is in London. One of the rulers: the British monarchy.
                The British always had an independent policy, until Rothschild, and when Herzel united them all (Businessmen, Financiers, writers and cultural figures), outlined the goals and ways to achieve it, then they became clerks, not executors.
  5. Sirs
    Sirs 16 September 2013 06: 08 New
    +7
    It is necessary that everything calms down in Syria, the Syrians have elected a new president, 100% that they will elect about the Russian and then accept them in the SCO and then in the CSTO. but first, in the SCO, the Chinese should be tied in cases of a great war.
    1. edge
      edge 16 September 2013 07: 44 New
      +3
      Quote: Sirs
      first in the SCO - to tie the Chinese in cases of a big war

      what to tie them to, everything is clear to them; as soon as Russia is liquidated, China will return to its colonial past .... and become foolish of drugs. Definitely, Russia is a leader around which those who do not want to be lowered are cattle and workforce.
      1. wax
        wax 16 September 2013 12: 13 New
        +1
        I think in Bishkek dotted the "and". Iran will be helped in raising the level of air defense.
    2. edge
      edge 16 September 2013 07: 47 New
      0
      Quote: Sirs
      It is necessary that everything settled down in Syria, the Syrians elected a new president

      Sunites show themselves -............ angry then the choice can be between Shiites and Alawites ........
    3. Andrew-001
      Andrew-001 16 September 2013 14: 24 New
      0
      Quote: Sirs
      It’s necessary that ... the Syrians elect a new president,

      With small concessions to the bandits, big losses begin.
      And the phrase "Assad must leave" - ​​hails from overseas.
      Quote: Sirs
      100% what will be chosen about the Russian

      Where such confidence? Elections are good and that you can choose as the one for whom they voted, and those who need it.
      Quote: Sirs
      first in the SCO - the Chinese should be tied in cases of a major war.

      China pursues its interests everywhere, and with us it is only as long as the interests of it and Russia coincide.
  6. Coward
    Coward 16 September 2013 06: 12 New
    +4
    that, allegedly, several dozen sabotage groups of Syrian special forces with a total number of up to several hundred soldiers equipped with everything necessary have recently been withdrawn to the territory of the United States. They are legalized, have various types of appearance that are not suspicious (for example, Asian or European), they know English well and have already been to the USA and adapted to the country.

    They say that in the event of strikes against Syria, these groups will attack the infrastructure of the United States, causing enormous damage and causing chaos. We are talking about power plants, substations, hydrotechnical nodes, railway stations, oil and gas and military facilities. But the civilian population will not be attacked.
    They made this statement in vain. Given the desire of the US government to provoke and blame others for this, it is easy to assume that they are using this opportunity with great “pleasure”. They will blow up some dam to wash away the town located downstream, and say: "this is what the Syrian saboteurs are doing. But they said that the civilian population will not suffer."
    1. Old skeptic
      Old skeptic 16 September 2013 10: 29 New
      +4
      They will make a provocation without any statements. In order to pass a sentence, they do not need proof of guilt.
      "First the execution! Then the verdict!"
      Alice in Wonderland. Queen (C)
      1. Coward
        Coward 16 September 2013 12: 48 New
        0
        They will make a provocation without any statements.

        I agree, but this statement is an extra trump card in their hands.
  7. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 16 September 2013 06: 14 New
    +5
    The author, to put it mildly, fantasizes. "Minor" forces of the US Navy, "lack of flight through Iraq and Jordan", "overflights" by Syrian planes, "concentration of Russian pennants", "quick restoration of destroyed weapons", "sabotage groups" in the US ... And the heading: "Syria time to accept the CSTO? "
    The complete absence of at least the least acceptable knowledge and competent analysis of the situation.
    Especially ridiculed by the impossibility of building a solid wall of ships ... Does the author even imagine how many ships are needed for this (taking into account their necessary integration into a single system)?
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 16 September 2013 11: 39 New
      +2
      The complete absence of at least the least acceptable knowledge and competent analysis of the situation.
      Especially ridiculed by the impossibility of building a solid wall of ships ... Does the author even imagine how many ships are needed for this (taking into account their necessary integration into a single system)?


      Exact definition: A wall (it’s funny to write about a wall) will be built in the Mediterranean. Most missiles will fly from the Red Sea, from Turkey. other ships and their deployment.
      1. Andrew-001
        Andrew-001 16 September 2013 14: 39 New
        +1
        In my opinion, you got excited with the answer.
        Quote: gunnerminer
        Especially ridiculed by the inability to build a solid wall of ships.

        the author does not regret at all, but states a fact beyond doubt:
        True, you can’t build a wall into the sea from ships, they’ll fly somewhere.


        What about your words about
        Quote: gunnerminer
        Most of the missiles will fly from the Red Sea, from the territory of Turkey.

        Do you think the Jews really want the American and Syrian missiles to go astray on their heads?
        Do you like iron debris falling on top of you? Little Izy needs a war in which it is possible to take the side of the winner, and not that war in which he will become a battlefield.
        Turks - yes they can. But now they would have to figure it out for themselves and calm the Turkish people. Here war is only a hindrance.
        1. gunnerminer
          gunnerminer 16 September 2013 15: 13 New
          +2
          the author does not regret at all, but states a fact beyond doubt:



          The author would read a geography textbook about the Syrian coast, TTX radar of Russian ships. Especially as landing ships, tankers and tugs will create a radar field and intercept cruise missiles.
  8. CAPILATUS
    CAPILATUS 16 September 2013 06: 39 New
    +2
    seems to have hit the USA. With the war, there was a chance to revive the economy a little, but now they’re lying.
    The beginning of your end, ladies and gentlemen of democracy?
    1. demeen1
      demeen1 16 September 2013 09: 44 New
      +3
      don't say gop until you jumped
    2. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 16 September 2013 11: 40 New
      +1
      seems to have hit the USA. With the war, there was a chance to revive the economy a little, but now they’re lying.
      The beginning of your end, ladies and gentlemen of democracy?



      Who and where has hit, will show the further development of events. Especially. When there will be a specific work plan for the evacuation of chemical weapons.
  9. ilf
    ilf 16 September 2013 07: 09 New
    +1
    Navy grouping in the east
    Mediterranean on September 16
    2013, well, for obvious reasons, submariners are not shown, and the Chinese fleet
    1. eplewke
      eplewke 16 September 2013 11: 48 New
      +3
      They stuck around Syria. wink Putin is definitely not going to surrender Syria. I have long been waiting for decisive action from the country's leadership! seen enough of Yugoslavia, Libya and Iraq ...
  10. andruha70
    andruha70 16 September 2013 07: 16 New
    +2
    Recently, Syrian warplanes flew over Cyprus in the vicinity of the British air base Akrotiri. The first time it was a pair of MiG-29SM fighters, the second - a pair of Su-24MK bombers.
    and this "event" took place to be? if so, then I suspect that the "Syrian express" not only long boxes "rolled" there wink and it wouldn’t hurt to arrange a “creamer” for military administration, like a certain number of “consultants” were sent to Syria. hardly amers forgot the experience of Korea and Vietnam ... soldier I think many of their veterans dream of a "Korean" pilot Lee Si Qing in their nightmares. wink
    Submarine forces are also concentrated in the region. Their presence is no longer denied by the Russian command. Of course, no one calls specifics. According to American data, there are one or two “killer aircraft carriers” in the squadron — the nuclear submarines of Project 949A Antey (aka “baton”)
    this news is very pleasing good
    The leadership of the Russian Ministry of Defense has subtly hinted that "God forbid, the missile will fall into our ship"
    if it's not a duck, then just take off my hat hi
    1. edge
      edge 16 September 2013 07: 53 New
      +2
      Quote: andruha70
      I think many of their veterans dream of a "Korean" pilot Lee Si Qing in their nightmares

      and especially to those who were later returned ... although it was hardly worth doing.
      1. andruha70
        andruha70 16 September 2013 18: 20 New
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        and especially to those who were later returned ... although it was hardly worth doing.
        do you mean "that" senator? wink they did everything right ... now the whole world sees what a simple, Vietnamese hoe can do with American intelligence (already-nonsense) ... wassat
    2. Wedmak
      Wedmak 16 September 2013 09: 36 New
      +2
      The leadership of the Russian Ministry of Defense has subtly hinted that "God forbid, the missile will fall into our ship"
      if it's not a duck, then just take off my hat

      And I liked more about the consequences for the environment ... yeah, yeah .. What a careful Defense Ministry we have ... wink
      1. andruha70
        andruha70 16 September 2013 18: 54 New
        0
        And I liked more about the consequences for the environment ... yeah, yeah .. What a careful Defense Ministry we have ...
        exactly what so wink that's right. imagine a picture: Vasya Pupkin, intercepts missiles, and ... filled with noble anger, sends an "answer" ... right to the heart of the AUG, to the "sodden vyanosets" ... even if the reactor doesn’t bang (hello Fukushima tongue ), then the fuel from the escort, many fish will kill ... wassat so, they can safely claim a premium from Greenpeace. lol
  11. mealnik2005
    mealnik2005 16 September 2013 08: 07 New
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    I wonder how we will help Syria with weapons? You haven’t brought much warships, and Europe will block trade ships - there have already been precedents.
    1. 31231
      31231 16 September 2013 09: 28 New
      +1
      Via Iran. I think Iraq will miss.
    2. Wedmak
      Wedmak 16 September 2013 09: 38 New
      +4
      You won’t bring much,

      Whose one will you bring? BDK 1000 tons, estimate how many cartridges, machine guns, RPG shots and missiles can get in there? Not to mention a dozen infantry fighting vehicles and tanks.
      1. gunnerminer
        gunnerminer 16 September 2013 19: 04 New
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        Whose one will you bring? BDK 1000 tons, estimate how many cartridges, machine guns, RPG shots and missiles can get in there? Not to mention a dozen infantry fighting vehicles and tanks.



        That's a lot, right?
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 16 September 2013 20: 28 New
          0
          Quote: gunnerminer
          That's a lot, right?

          It's a lot! Or do you think bandits in Syria are delivering ammunition in echelons?
          1. gunnerminer
            gunnerminer 16 September 2013 22: 32 New
            0
            It's a lot! Or do you think bandits in Syria are delivering ammunition in echelons?





            Ships, car trailers across the open Syrian borders. Plus volunteers from Russia (Volga region, North Caucasus).
  12. kazssr
    kazssr 16 September 2013 08: 19 New
    +6
    I have a feeling that all the same, the c300 is in Syria and is controlled by Ivan Ivanov, but under the name of Abdul Ibn Muhamed. and?
    1. Sirs
      Sirs 16 September 2013 08: 34 New
      +1
      There are Chinese analogues of the C300 and they are controlled by al-Assad.
  13. individual
    individual 16 September 2013 08: 44 New
    +5
    Syrian aggression is postponed, but not canceled.
    The customer paid for the overthrow of B. Assad. The performer is waiting for the moment.
    So far, common sense diplomacy has gained the upper hand, but the unilateral elimination of Syria’s WMD without a guarantee can provoke the next stage of aggression, when the deterrent of the chemical attack of the retaliatory strike has been eliminated.
    Now there is an exhausting game of nerves for exhaustion. Who will be the first to hand over the big question in the pause of maintaining the status of a quitting problem.
  14. largus886
    largus886 16 September 2013 09: 00 New
    +4
    There is another scenario. The Americans took an order for Syria, received money from the Saudis, and we must work it out. But here there were very big problems in the person of Putin, Russia and its Navy. I really do not want to sit on a hedgehog with a bare ass, it’s not fatal, but you’ll pretty much scratch yourself! But if you think in patsansky: "Well, this is his order, we will fill up better than the customer." I won’t be surprised if the king suddenly dies in Saudi Arabia or whatever riots happen! And it turns out and the grandmother earned and did not sit on a hedgehog.
    1. matross
      matross 16 September 2013 11: 17 New
      +1
      good Hk straight "in the best traditions." Who would tell them something? And then they didn’t live in Russia in 90, and they are dumb, they may not realize wink
  15. 31231
    31231 16 September 2013 09: 12 New
    0
    Most interesting is that in the belly of the BDK. And the Americans are also thinking about it. For the amount of BDK is impressive.
  16. 31231
    31231 16 September 2013 09: 25 New
    0
    Something seems to me that the Chinese helicopter carrier pulled Assad. The Chinese have extensive experience in the Korean and Vietnamese wars.
  17. left-wing
    left-wing 16 September 2013 09: 31 New
    +2
    Nobody will accept Syria in the CSTO, Russia does not need this.
  18. deman73
    deman73 16 September 2013 09: 55 New
    0
    wait and see what happens next
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  19. gunnerminer
    gunnerminer 16 September 2013 10: 10 New
    -4
    Syrian events clearly show how and where the country begins to move when the government ceases to deal with internal problems, does not pay attention to domestic politics.
    Inadequate internal policy provokes the development of such problems that can be solved with the intervention of foreign intelligence and law enforcement agencies. These foreign bodies solve internal problems based on their interests. Is it not better for the Government of the Russian Federation to deal with its internal affairs and the problems of the peoples and nations inhabiting the territory RF?
    1. 31231
      31231 16 September 2013 10: 30 New
      +3
      Why don’t you advise this to the Americans ?! 16-odd trillions of public debt are only growing.
      1. gunnerminer
        gunnerminer 16 September 2013 11: 32 New
        -1
        Why don’t you advise this to the Americans ?! 16-odd trillions of public debt are only growing.


        The US military does not shape the country's domestic policy and is not directly related to the state of public debt. Nor are their Russian colleagues. The armed forces of any state and special services are just tools in the hands of ruling politicians. This blog is not interesting to the Russian and American military. They can read Russian. Except for those specially trained.
    2. Setrac
      Setrac 16 September 2013 20: 32 New
      0
      Quote: gunnerminer
      Is it not better for the Government of the Russian Federation to deal with its internal affairs and the problems of the peoples and nations inhabiting the territory of the Russian Federation?

      The main internal problem of Russia is London and Fashington, this "axis of evil" is aimed at controlling ALL world resources and they will not pass by one sixth of the land.
      1. gunnerminer
        gunnerminer 16 September 2013 22: 04 New
        0
        The main internal problem of Russia is London and Fashington, this "axis of evil" is aimed at controlling ALL world resources and they will not pass by one sixth of the land.



        Even Alyosha Navalny was forgotten to name the problem and those who talk about corruption.
  20. darksoul
    darksoul 16 September 2013 10: 37 New
    +3
    Our fellows, all the cruisers pulled up, even the Varangian ... one pet is riding in the Arctic ... but it’s also important that the Temp airport recovers ... I didn’t think what I would say, but this time our more than competently acted
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 16 September 2013 14: 05 New
      0
      one little pet in the Arctic is riding ... but the Temp airport is also important ...

      For me, Peter is in the Arctic, to restore the airfield ... well, like a 5th wheel cart. Unless the experience of swimming in the northern latitudes to get.
      1. gunnerminer
        gunnerminer 16 September 2013 14: 15 New
        -1
        For me, Peter is in the Arctic, to restore the airfield ... well, like a 5th wheel cart. Unless the experience of swimming in the northern latitudes to get.



        An attempt to create a radar field, at least in a tiny area. If the Tomahawks attack from the Arctic Ocean, it is not even possible to detect it in a timely manner. All air defense radars in the Arctic regions have been dismantled, there are no units. Events in Syria have clearly shown what it costs and what it consists of Air defense of the Russian Federation, plus the results of the so-called sudden verification of air defense missiles.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 16 September 2013 14: 50 New
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          An attempt to create a radar field, at least in a tiny area. If the Tomahawks attack from the Arctic Ocean, it is not even possible to detect it in a timely manner. All air defense radars in the Arctic regions have been dismantled, there are no units.

          belay
          We carefully study the picture. We consider that such a radar will highlight EVERYTHING flying in its field of view. Do not forget the replenished satellite constellation.

          Events in Syria have clearly shown what it costs and what the air defense of the Russian Federation consists of, plus the results of the so-called sudden check of the air defense missile defense.

          Events in Syria have not yet shown anything. Like the test results. And as for the Israeli attack, there’s something rotten news about it ... not the fact that there was air defense at all. Which Assad saves like the apple of his eye. This is his last line of defense, and if avid Jews destroyed it, the Yankees would have ironed Syria with tomahawks.
          1. gunnerminer
            gunnerminer 16 September 2013 15: 20 New
            +1
            We carefully study the picture. We consider that such a radar will highlight EVERYTHING flying in its field of view. Do not forget the replenished satellite constellation.


            Cruise missiles will not illuminate such a radar. This radar has a different purpose. The lower limit is 110 km. The cruise missile’s flight path is lower. Syrian targets were hit in January, twice in May, in July. Nobody opened the preparation of these attacks, including the OSNAZ group on Russian ships in the Mediterranean Sea. The attacks were unexpected for the Syrians and for the command of the Russian naval group.
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 16 September 2013 15: 37 New
              0
              Such a radar will not flash cruise missiles. This radar has a different purpose. The lower limit is the detection of objects of 110 kilometers.

              This is where you read this? Over-the-horizon radar, i.e. as soon as a flying object is shown in direct line of sight - it is detected. The range is up to 6 thousand km. In this case, talking about the lower boundary does not make sense. Especially at sea. In addition, Choi, I think that these radars are capable of working with the signal reflected from the ionosphere. And that means seeing beyond the horizon.
              The meter and decimeter wavelength range, why not see the 6 meter Raman wave?
              The strikes were unexpected for the Syrians and for the command of the Russian naval group.

              Yeah ... yes, yes, yes ... only no one was hurt from them ... accident?
              1. gunnerminer
                gunnerminer 16 September 2013 19: 01 New
                0
                The meter and decimeter wavelength range, why not see the 6 meter Raman wave?


                Decimeter range for detecting over the horizon? Physics studied in high school? Radius? Pythagorean theorem, ruler in the hands of a globe. Count the height above the horizon yourself. Impacts on Syrian objects are quite tangible, Iranian ammunition near Damascus destroyed, a third of Yakhont missiles, missile storage base weapons.
  21. Roman_999
    Roman_999 16 September 2013 12: 34 New
    +1
    I think that it will be difficult to accept Syria in the CSTO, because there is no common state border with this country, this is a strong limitation, because if you do not take this attribute into account, you can include Brazil, for example, Panama and other countries, which will complicate this organization will make it vulnerable. It's my opinion.
  22. Gur
    Gur 16 September 2013 13: 36 New
    0
    All the same, it’s interesting how our Syria is packed
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 16 September 2013 14: 03 New
      0
      Tomatoes, cucumbers, watermelons, melons ... maybe even strawberries come across .. what else to pack BDK?