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Kuznetsov will still be put up for repair

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Kuznetsov will still be put up for repairIn the next five years, the heavy aircraft carrier cruiser (TAVKR) "Admiral Fleet Soviet Union Kuznetsov "will undergo overhaul and deep modernization at the shipbuilding company" Sevmash ". The agency Interfax-AVN, which informed about this, specified that the ship will enter the plant in the first half of next year. Five years after the start of work, he must return to the Navy with a qualitatively updated. It is noted that the contract between the USC and the Ministry of Defense for the repair and modernization of the aircraft-carrying cruiser has not yet been concluded. TAVKR "Kuznetsov" is at the service of the enterprise.


Meanwhile, the need for speedy repair and modernization of the cruiser was announced last year. Experts claimed that even the power plant would be completely replaced on it. However, the only aircraft carrier in Russia received more and more new tasks, and the start of repairs was periodically postponed. Currently, the cruiser performs combat training missions in the Barents Sea. In October, deck aircraft will begin flying from his side aviation Su-33.

It is noteworthy that the news of the upcoming production of Kuznetsov for a five-year repair coincided with the announcement of the final refusal of the Russian Federation to use the NITKA complex located in Crimea. Moscow officially informed the Ukrainian side that, starting from 2014, it no longer plans to train deck aviation pilots at this specialized training ground. It would seem that such a decision is in conflict with the intention to soon put the aircraft carrying cruiser into the factory. Where to train sea pilots? But not so long ago, Admiral Viktor Chirkov, Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy, told reporters about the final construction of the Russian NITKA complex in Yeisk (Krasnodar Territory). In July, MiG-XNUMKUB planes made training flights that simulated an approach to the aircraft deck of this range. It is expected that the simulator in Eisk will begin to fully function at the turn of 29 – 2013. And it seems that it will be so.
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  1. sergey72
    sergey72 13 September 2013 09: 33 New
    16
    Finally! One is not happy, there is no one to send to the coast of Syria - no replacement was built ...
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 13 September 2013 09: 36 New
      14
      Yes! I really hope that the repair and modernization is really. For there are examples when ships did not return from repair.
      Well, the fact that the coast of Syria will not go. Perhaps in this form it would not be very advisable ...
      1. sergey72
        sergey72 13 September 2013 09: 40 New
        +3
        So after all I said about it: "... the replacement was not built .." Best regards hi
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 13 September 2013 09: 43 New
          33
          I also really want Kirov to be repaired! After all, a wonderful platform for modernization!
          I understand you and your message! With uv hi
          Such ships should not be scrapped!
          1. Ruslan_F38
            Ruslan_F38 13 September 2013 10: 47 New
            +9
            Quote: klimpopov
            I also really want Kirov to be repaired! After all, a wonderful platform for modernization!

            It would be great to upgrade and commission all the ships of the series, and not just Kirov.
            "At present, the cruiser has a serious breakdown of the main gearbox of the turbo-gear unit. Its repair is possible only with a significant dismantling of the hull structures. A decision was made to dispose of the ship. However, it is now planned to repair and completely modernize it. Commissioning is possible after 2020."

            Source: http://www.modernarmy.ru/article/142 © "Modern Army" portal
          2. demeen1
            demeen1 13 September 2013 11: 33 New
            0
            And if it’s a multi-million dollar scrap and I really want to, well, at least a piece
          3. Mcsim
            Mcsim 13 September 2013 12: 42 New
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            klimpopov
            In autumn 2012, at the Public Internet Reception of the Deputy Prime Minister of Russia D.O. Rogozin received a question:

            “Dear Dmitry Olegovich! Thousands of people are turning to you, serving at different times on the Kirov nuclear-powered cruiser, which is currently on a joke in Severodvinsk. In 2009, we turned to the President of the Russian Federation with a request to clarify the fate of the ship to us ... We will not bore you with military terminology about the purpose of the atomic cruisers of this project, but in a nutshell: the atomic cruiser is the strength of the fleet and the prestige of the country! Dear Dmitry Olegovich! Help us (and the country!) Save our cruiser! Chairman of the Council of Veterans of the Nuclear Cruiser "Kirov", V.R., Secretary of the Council - B.P. "

            Answer:
            The cruiser Kirov (nowadays Admiral Ushakov) has been returned to the Navy. Currently, a project is underway to modernize ships of this type.
            1. egor 1712
              egor 1712 13 September 2013 15: 23 New
              +5
              If this is not a "duck", then for such news +
              1. Mcsim
                Mcsim 13 September 2013 15: 44 New
                +2
                Doesn't seem like a duck
                See at the very end: http://oborona.gov.ru/pages/330/#kirov
          4. Zabvo
            Zabvo 13 September 2013 18: 10 New
            +4
            I think that so many cells for the "Caliber" and "Redoubt" can be pushed into the Orlan corps ... And by that time, the S-400 or S-500 will have already been created, darkened. You can get a real battleship of the 21st century ... wassat
          5. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 14 September 2013 05: 43 New
            +2
            we have dozens of ships in the so-called "reserve", but simply not walking, mainly because of the damned steam turbine power plants, in my opinion it was sabotage, to install such difficult-to-repair and in fact backward but expensive power plants, and modernization is no better than building a new ship, work and costs are almost comparable ...
        2. Kibalchish
          Kibalchish 13 September 2013 09: 46 New
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          In Syria, they can cope without it. A repair is needed! Otherwise a pipe. I thought that they drove him to the dock that year, but no.
          Only the main thing is that the repair at 20 is not delayed
          1. Kavtorang
            Kavtorang 13 September 2013 11: 41 New
            11
            A scattered inter-naval grouping not worked out even within the framework of combat training courses - do not tell.
            1. DEfindER
              DEfindER 13 September 2013 14: 22 New
              -2
              Quote: Kavtorang
              A scattered inter-naval grouping not worked out even within the framework of combat training courses - do not tell.

              What a fragmented it is, the Mediterranean grouping has long been knocked together, and there have been plenty of exercises to test various military operations. At least, in which case, they will be able to maximize their potential. Here the question is different, the forces are not equal, but if China and Iran catch up, then you can play, although the amers do not play such games on equal terms ..
              1. gunnerminer
                gunnerminer 13 September 2013 15: 55 New
                +4
                What a fragmented it is, the Mediterranean grouping has long been knocked together, and there have been plenty of exercises to test various military operations. At least, in which case, they will be able to maximize their potential. Here the question is different, the forces are not equal, but if China and Iran catch up, then you can play, although the amers do not play such games on equal terms ..


                There is no such form of combat training — military training — what does it mean? What document determines sufficiency? How can you assess any sufficiency without conducting tactical exercises and control exercises? Without verification by the Navy Headquarters? What news?
                1. DEfindER
                  DEfindER 13 September 2013 17: 27 New
                  +1
                  Quote: gunnerminer
                  There is no such form of combat training - the development of military operations.

                  We can say the development of possible military operations or something else, I think the meaning is clear. The fleet always works out any schemes of action in certain situations. As far as I remember, they conducted training operations on landing, counteracting aviation and intercepting cruise missiles, and this is only from the open part of the exercises ..
                  Quote: gunnerminer
                  How can one assess any sufficiency without conducting a test tactical exercise and control exercises? Without verification by the General Staff of the Navy?

                  And what does test tactical teaching mean? So it’s also not a test? I talked about the fact that it is inappropriate to talk about the fragmentation of our fleet when it has been so long in and together in a single group.
                  1. gunnerminer
                    gunnerminer 13 September 2013 17: 51 New
                    +1
                    And what does test tactical teaching mean? So it’s also not a test? I talked about the fact that it is inappropriate to talk about the fragmentation of our fleet when it has been so long in and together in a single group.


                    It’s tactless to engage in educational program on someone else’s forum, but I’ll answer. The tactical exercises are conducted to assess the actual combat readiness of the group (in this case) and the combat readiness of the group’s headquarters. There are other types of exercises. ZTU is carried out after the final formation of the group (group) and group headquarters (group) .
                2. FireFly
                  FireFly 13 September 2013 18: 19 New
                  +4
                  How long can illusions live? China will not fight by your side. He will be on his own.

                  In addition, it’s difficult to call what you have in Middle East as a grouping ... for example, a reinforced transport and tanker fleet.
            2. gunnerminer
              gunnerminer 13 September 2013 15: 51 New
              +5
              A scattered inter-naval grouping not worked out even within the framework of combat training courses - do not tell.



              Yes, there were no exercises in this composition, due to the haste of forming an operational unit. Group combat exercises according to the KBP were not carried out. Officers of the staff of the headquarters had no practical and theoretical skills for operational and administrative duty. The standards for preparing decisions of the Group Commander for various options for the development of the operational situation were not worked out .A check of the headquarters of the group before military service by a higher headquarters or by the Heads of Navy Departments was not carried out, the competence of the staff officers was not evaluated.
          2. RUS96
            RUS96 13 September 2013 13: 23 New
            0
            I read somewhere recently that he should approach the Syrian shores in the fall or at the beginning of winter.
        3. little man
          little man 13 September 2013 13: 30 New
          +1
          True, they say - one in the field is not a warrior.
        4. AVV
          AVV 13 September 2013 14: 58 New
          +1
          The good news is that in a modernized form it will still serve Russia !!!
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 September 2013 10: 22 New
      +4
      Quote: sergey72
      Finally!

      Yeah, the repair will last 5 years!?!?!? For 5 years, you can build three of the same new ones, your division. It’s more like cutting dough. The French Mistral are already being completed from scratch, but here crying
      1. Srgsoap
        Srgsoap 13 September 2013 10: 50 New
        +4
        Hello hello to Alexander. I can not disagree with you. But I’m afraid, as if, together with cutting the dough, there would be no cutting of the ship itself.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 13 September 2013 11: 29 New
          +4
          Quote: SrgSoap
          , as it were, along with the cut of the dough, there would not be a cut of the ship itself.

          Hi to you too hi I just remembered a recent story about a submarine that was repaired, repaired, and not repaired in Kamchatka. They just swelled a bunch of dough and did nothing for the same 5 years request And about the cut of the ship itself, you can expect everything from ours, every year plans change.
          1. Mcsim
            Mcsim 13 September 2013 12: 58 New
            +4
            Yes, TU-95 with bn 21 burned this year after the so-called "modernization"



      2. Manager
        Manager 13 September 2013 12: 49 New
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Yeah, the repair will last 5 years!?!?!? For 5 years, you can build three of the same new ones, your division.


        Yeah! + Timing will be ripped off .... Straight an old joke is recalled ....

        - Are we going to the forest?
        -Yes.
        - What if we get stuck there?
        -How is it all of a sudden?
      3. Professor
        Professor 13 September 2013 13: 31 New
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Yeah, the repair will last 5 years!?!?!? For 5 years, you can build three of the same new ones, your division. It’s more like cutting dough. The French Mistral are already being completed from scratch, but here

        You look how much it on ChSZ all union built in the heyday of the empire. Now for 5 years they may not be able to meet it if a serious overhaul is started.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 13 September 2013 14: 48 New
          +3
          Quote: Professor
          Now for 5 years they may not be able to meet it if a serious overhaul is started.

          But not serious, what is it? grind the anchor with a file and paint the deck, well, I think this will be done in 5 years laughing
          1. Srgsoap
            Srgsoap 13 September 2013 15: 21 New
            +4
            Five points! It's like in that old anecdote about a secret plane ..... "amers stole all the documentation, everything .... they collect it - the tractor is Kirovets, dismantled and reassembled the tractor .... in general, they can't understand anything, they found our emigrant. ... and he read them the small print - no ... well, and here it is written to finalize with a file ... "
          2. Professor
            Professor 13 September 2013 15: 56 New
            +6
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            But not serious, what is it? grind the anchor with a file and paint the deck, well, I think this will be done in 5 years

            "Not serious" is like painting grass green before the bosses drive through. If they carry out a deep modernization of the control system and electronics, then in 5 years IMHO will not have time. And there, if everything works out, then the crew will have to cook almost from scratch for a couple of years. Think about it when Kuzya is 100% back in operation.

            By the way, they have already anchored the anchor somehow. And when they bought a new one abroad, someone earned a lot from this.





            1. FireFly
              FireFly 13 September 2013 18: 24 New
              0
              Quote: Professor
              If they will conduct a deep modernization of the control system and electronics, then for 5 years IMHO will not have time. And there, if everything works out, then the crew will have to cook for almost a couple of years from scratch. So think about when Kuzya is 100% back in operation.

              ... and by the time the repair is completed, it will all become obsolete again ... request
            2. alone
              alone 13 September 2013 19: 23 New
              +2
              Quote: Professor
              By the way, they have already anchored the anchor somehow. And when they bought a new one abroad, someone earned a lot from this.


              of course. handed over for scrap.
            3. harrymur
              harrymur 13 September 2013 19: 26 New
              +1
              I don’t agree with the remark about the cadres, it’s all the more or less there, the school is still
              in principle, if they can handle the iron, but it’s not realistic, put the command staff and midshipmen there a year or two before leaving the dock, then everything will work out,
              the problem is all in iron, it is ancient and should have been decommissioned 10 years ago, if in Vladika they built a uberboat, then there’s a place for it
              1. gunnerminer
                gunnerminer 13 September 2013 22: 05 New
                +1
                I don’t agree with the remark about the cadres, it’s all the more or less there, the school is still
                in principle, if they can handle the iron, but it’s not realistic, put the command staff and midshipmen there a year or two before leaving the dock, then everything will work out,
                the problem is all in iron, it is ancient and should have been decommissioned 10 years ago, if in Vladika they built a uberboat, then there’s a place for it


                If they can recruit and train midshipmen and train a sufficient number of officers. In 1989, personnel officers traveled to all KSF bases and campaigned for officers and midshipmen to serve in the TAVKR-Kuznetsov-. They were able to equip only 70%.
          3. alone
            alone 13 September 2013 19: 21 New
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            But not serious, what is it? grind the anchor with a file and paint the deck, well, I think this will be done in 5 years


            and who needs such an upgrade?
    3. Civil
      Civil 13 September 2013 11: 28 New
      +7
      FIVE YEARS!!!!! See how the frogmen build new Mistrals, and repair it for 5 years ..... it's a failure ...
      Overhaul Charles de Gaulle they did 2 years ...
      1. Russ69
        Russ69 13 September 2013 11: 53 New
        +6
        Quote: Civil
        FIVE YEARS!!!!! Look how the frogmen build new Mistrals, and repair it for 5 years ..... this is a failure ... They did the overhaul of Charles de Gaulle for 2 years ...

        It is foolish to compare with De Gaulle, the paddlers began to repair it as soon as they were built, and they are constantly repairing it. The ship failed.
        And repairs can sometimes exceed the complexity of building a new one. Here, a full modernization is planned. Maybe for a long time, of course, but the main thing is to do it ...
        1. ka5280
          ka5280 14 September 2013 07: 54 New
          0
          Ship / ship repair is always more complicated than building. And there is also a complete modernization, it is almost like two repairs and construction.
    4. Hort
      Hort 13 September 2013 12: 18 New
      +5
      they’ve built a replacement, only the Chinese have it now ...
    5. olegff68
      olegff68 13 September 2013 12: 53 New
      +1
      Quote: sergey72
      Finally! One is not happy, there is no one to send to the coast of Syria - no replacement was built ...

      It is pointless to send him there with such an air wing even now. I hope that during the repair it will be fully equipped with airplanes (MIG29K). And DRLOIU Kuse’s aircraft are in short supply, with them he would be very relevant on the Syrian coast (oh, these fantasies).
  2. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 13 September 2013 09: 35 New
    +4
    Closer to winter they promised to send "Kuznetsov" to the Mediterranean Sea. After arrival - renovation and modernization. Even the wing will change. Instead of the Su-33, there will be MiG-29K (or MiG-35K).
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 13 September 2013 09: 44 New
      0
      Well, that would be an excellent "exercise" for our fleet!
    2. little man
      little man 13 September 2013 13: 41 New
      0
      But it is a pity that instead, and not together. The Chinese then do the analogue of the su-33 for their aircraft carriers.
  3. Odysseus
    Odysseus 13 September 2013 09: 58 New
    -8
    In general, it is not entirely clear why the fleet in 2019 will need a lone Kuznetsov with an air group from the Mig-29K. If only to transfer it to the Pacific Fleet. Only there you need to do the infrastructure for it.
    Another option to sell it to the PRC is that they need to quickly increase the number of aircraft carriers (even those like Kuznetsov), but they don’t put money on us to modernize the production and build nuclear submarines and modern destroyers. This is, of course, if they are not stolen ...
    1. Dangerous
      Dangerous 13 September 2013 10: 06 New
      12
      Well, now let's also sell Peter, too, there are no specific tasks for him, and even he is in a single copy. I won't argue about submarines and frigates - they are certainly needed. But getting rid of completely modern weapons in order to get money for the construction of new ones is wrong. Firstly, because an aircraft carrier is not at all superfluous in our fleet, and secondly - transactions of the "purchase and sale" type in Russian - this means theft, kickbacks, etc. As a result, only a part of the amount will go to finance new projects, and we will lose the ship
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 13 September 2013 10: 17 New
        +3
        Quote: Dangerous
        Firstly, because an aircraft carrier is not superfluous in our fleet

        No offense, what military tasks can Kuznetsov solve in the Northern Fleet in 2019 with an air group from Mig-29K?
        Quote: Dangerous
        and secondly - transactions of the "purchase and sale" type in Russian - this means theft, kickbacks, etc. As a result, only a part of the amount will go to finance new projects, and we will lose the ship

        I agree here. Then to the Pacific Fleet.
        1. gispanec
          gispanec 13 September 2013 11: 16 New
          +9
          Quote: Odyssey
          No offense, what military tasks can Kuznetsov solve in the Northern Fleet in 2019 with an air group from Mig-29K?

          an exact blow to the terrorists who attempted in 2019 to destroy our oil platforms in the Arctic (the Barents and Kara Seas) with the help of high-speed stealth boats-firewalls ..... at least that .... and if you follow your sequence .... then on kuya we need chemical troops .... whom do we want to poison? ... bacterological ... whom to breed? .... nuclear ... we want a nuclear winter ?? .... we need a carrier fleet in the size of 2-3 units ..... and with the departure of Kuzi to your non-existence ... goodbye deck aviation .... nakuya Thread in Yeysk ?? .....
          1. Odysseus
            Odysseus 13 September 2013 14: 47 New
            +3
            Quote: gispanec
            an exact blow to terrorists who in 2019 attempted to destroy our oil platforms in the Arctic (the Barents and Kara Seas) using high-speed stealth fireboats

            You are the only one who tried to answer the question, but it turned out, excuse me, not seriously. What kind of terrorists are on stealth boats in the Arctic)) And where is the aircraft carrier?
            Quote: gispanec
            then on kuya we need chemical troops .... whom do we want to poison? ... bacterological ... whom to breed? .... nuclear ... we want a nuclear winter ?? ..

            Everything is exactly the opposite, we really need nuclear weapons — this is the only thing that is holding back NATO and the PRC, chemical and bacteriological weapons are also needed, but the Russian government has almost completely destroyed everything under the dictation of the United States.
            Quote: gispanec
            . we need a carrier fleet in the amount of 2-3 units ..

            First: the capitalist RF will not build new aircraft carriers.
            Secondly: it is far from the fact that you need it. Aircraft carriers are a means of fighting for control over the sea and "projection of power to other countries. They either need to be built a lot (as China will do), or not at all."
            Quote: gispanec
            and with the departure of Kuzi in your non-existence

            Actually, the first thing I suggested was to transfer Kuzya to the Pacific Fleet. His presence on the SF is obviously pointless.
          2. ka5280
            ka5280 14 September 2013 07: 57 New
            +1
            I want to look at the boat fireman in the Kara Sea from October to April =)
            1. largus886
              largus886 14 September 2013 10: 04 New
              0
              Hovercraft snowmobile! smile
            2. gispanec
              gispanec 16 September 2013 15: 28 New
              0
              Quote: ka5280
              boat fire in the Kara Sea from October to April =)

              A lover of juggling? ... Barents does not freeze, and Kara from May to September and my answer was purely hypothetical, since the same user asked an inappropriate question
    2. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 13 September 2013 10: 08 New
      11
      Quote: Odyssey
      Another option to sell it to China - they need to quickly increase the number of aircraft carriers (even those such as Kuznetsov)

      Great option good With the proceeds, everyone can buy an inflatable boat "Ufimka".
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 13 September 2013 10: 18 New
        +6
        Quote: Vladimirets
        An excellent option. With the money earned, everyone can buy an inflatable boat "Ufimka".

        I estimated the irony, plus set. I dust my head with ash))
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 13 September 2013 11: 09 New
          +3
          Quote: Odyssey
          I sprinkle ashes on my head))

          how is it in Homeric))
    3. demeen1
      demeen1 13 September 2013 11: 46 New
      +2
      And we’ll sell the entire fleet under this tune, and we’ll better build a new one for the proceeds of the grandma in China. With this approach, you can also sell half of Russia.
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 13 September 2013 14: 51 New
        +3
        Quote: demeen1
        And under this tune we’ll sell the whole fleet

        Don't go crazy. I wrote about construction really needed modern nuclear submarines and destroyers. It is absurd, given the current difficult situation in Russia, to keep ships for "representative" tasks.
    4. 10kAzAk01
      10kAzAk01 13 September 2013 12: 41 New
      +3
      sorry, but "Kuznetsov" is not an aircraft carrier! This is an aircraft carrier! it has 12 Granit missile launchers, so after the upgrade it is highly likely that its IMPACT power will increase.
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 13 September 2013 14: 52 New
        +3
        Quote: 10kAzAk01
        This is an aircraft carrier! it has 12 launchers of the "Granit" SCRC, so after the upgrade it is highly likely that its IMPACT power will increase

        With modernization, Granites will be removed from it.
  4. krpmlws
    krpmlws 13 September 2013 10: 05 New
    0
    Within five years, you can build a new aircraft carrier, but not with us. It remains only to hope that someday the situation will move from the dead point. But the shipbuilders were on time with the manufacture of the block for the BOD. We can, if placed in harsh conditions. It seems that shipbuilders keep the government on a long leash, this is the main reason for long-term construction.
  5. darksoul
    darksoul 13 September 2013 10: 06 New
    +1
    Quote: klimpopov
    I also really want Kirov to be repaired! After all, a wonderful platform for modernization!
    I understand you and your message! C u hi
    Such ships should not be scrapped!


    Yes, the bitter truth, he also wrote about this .... but the solution so far is as follows: the cruisers Admiral Lazarev (formerly Frunze) will now go under the knife for conservation, the Admiral Nakhimov (formerly Kirov) will be restored until 2018 and "Admiral Ushakov" is now in conservation under the knife
    1. 77bob1973
      77bob1973 13 September 2013 10: 30 New
      +1
      There are problems with the turbine units that were built at the Kirov plant during the Soviet era, so the rest of the Admiral Nakhimov are being restored as donors.
    2. Russ69
      Russ69 13 September 2013 12: 02 New
      +2
      Quote: darksoul
      Yes, the bitter truth, he also wrote about this .... but the solution so far is as follows: the cruisers Admiral Lazarev (formerly Frunze) will now go under the knife for conservation, the Admiral Nakhimov (formerly Kirov) will be restored until 2018 and "Admiral Ushakov" is now in conservation under the knife

      It seems that there is no concrete solution for the rest yet. They want to start "Nakhimov", and only then make a decision on others. All the same, you can't put everything on repair at once.
  6. Andrei shit
    Andrei shit 13 September 2013 10: 06 New
    0
    so the thread in Yeysk seems to be working already
  7. Kpox
    Kpox 13 September 2013 10: 45 New
    +5
    You can build a new aircraft carrier

    I look here one shipbuilders gathered with finished shipyards and trained personnel lol
  8. Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 13 September 2013 10: 53 New
    +1
    "Five years after the start of work, he must return to the Navy with a qualitatively updated." - five years is too much - what can you do there with an almost finished ship for so long? Rave. You shouldn't blame the lack of qualified personnel and capacities. Unless the funding will again be phased - then God forbid that it would be back in operation at all.
    1. creak
      creak 13 September 2013 11: 42 New
      +1
      In light of the upcoming reduction in defense spending, it is not at all a fact that the ship will go out of repair in 5 years ...
    2. moremansf
      moremansf 13 September 2013 12: 25 New
      +2
      Unfortunately, the technical condition of all systems requires significant repair and modernization ... It was laid down and built back in the USSR and the wear of individual units significantly exceeds the installed resource ... and to replace the power plant, you will need to cut roughly the floor of the ship, and this is quite complicated work it is necessary to remove part of the equipment, not to mention hundreds of meters of cable tracks ... so given the loss of technology, 5 years is a normal period ....
  9. kafa
    kafa 13 September 2013 11: 16 New
    +1
    Quote: Kpox
    You can build a new aircraft carrier

    I look here one shipbuilders gathered with finished shipyards and trained personnel lol

    I, being a sailor of Rembat as part of my military unit, participated in the repair of the RK Slava. Repair took place as soon as possible without violating quality standards. Who knows, he understands the shit, then we wouldn’t be a killer AUG Moscow
  10. moremansf
    moremansf 13 September 2013 11: 18 New
    20
    In addition to the outdated steam power plant, a significant replacement of electronic weapons is required. The equipment installed on board, developed at the end of the 80s, clearly does not meet the requirements of the present, modernization of missile and artillery armament is also necessary, as in other other ship systems ... Do not forget that he hastily under the "Christmas tree" in 1991 with large by flaws was transferred from Sevastopol to Severomorsk, in the absence of any infrastructure for basing ships of this class ... Determination of the basing site in the village of Vidyaevo, remote from the center of logistics and repair, adversely affected the technical condition of the cruiser, the unfurnished parking lot significantly knocked out the service life of all units ... Attempts to build a basing point with berths for aircraft carriers, with the collapse of the Union, was discontinued, the cruiser was quietly dying far from the mainland ... and therefore it was decided to relocate it to Murmansk in SRZ-35 in order to provide its further operation and retain for the fleet ... but this enterprise does not have the appropriate repairbase for ships of this type. Unfortunately, all of it remained in Ukraine, in the city of Nikolaev, where all our aircraft-carrying cruisers were built and repaired (Moscow, Leningrad, Kiev, Minsk, Novorossiysk, Baku-Gorshkov, Kuznetsov, Varyag). The sale of TAVKR Gorshkov (Baku) to India and the subsequent modernization at Vikramaditya made it possible to work out the lost technology of repairing such ships ... It would probably be advisable to spend the funds allocated for the purchase of two Mistrals from France on the development of domestic shipbuilding, which is also in decline ... Well, it's not a secret for anyone that ships of this class are a weighty argument when pursuing a policy in remote regions, for example, Syria ...
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 13 September 2013 12: 29 New
      +1
      That's right! Average repair and modernization will take at least 10 years. The period of repair will be affected by the lack of basic technical documentation for the project, replacement of the main power plant, unstable financing of work by the customer, an acute shortage of qualified engineers, craftsmen, workers. Some of the funds allocated for the repair of TAVKR will go to maintaining combat readiness - Mistral.
    2. FireFly
      FireFly 13 September 2013 18: 32 New
      +2
      Quote: moremansf
      Well, it's no secret that ships of this class are a weighty argument when pursuing policies in remote regions, for example Syria ...

      One Kuzyu somewhere to send, without the appropriate grouping - this is not serious. But it’s just problematic with her, for one TAVKR escort boats may be enough, but because of this, it will have to expose other directions ...
    3. Misantrop
      Misantrop 13 September 2013 21: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: moremansf
      a decision was made to relocate him to Murmansk in SRH-35

      This is the key to the long repair period. The 35th plant was still a "gift" during the Soviet era, they stood there once in a dock repair ... It is unlikely that since then something has changed for the better
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 13 September 2013 22: 47 New
        +2
        And the arguments of the minus will be? Or are they simply not there? I remember very well the hysteria that the then management of the plant threw when we stood at their dock. Like: "They'll dirtied the whole plant here with their radiation! .." From the side of the dock, they built a special ladder from the boards with walls and a roof to the loading hatch of the 7th compartment, covered it with cellophane and appeared in a crowd at the OZK and with dose control devices, woodpeckers laughing And as the head of the SRB of the plant whispered in the director's ear (thinking that we do not hear): "Yes, they even have samplers cleaner than our dock wall ..." lol
        Only after this the ladder was installed from the dock wall to the wheelhouse,. And what then were the problems to get out normal specialists for work on outboard fittings. And control, so as not to mess up ...
        1. alone
          alone 13 September 2013 22: 52 New
          +2
          Quote: Misantrop
          Will there be minus arguments? Or are they simply not there?


          laughing you dare to give an argument which our Uryalkins don’t like. here and slammed a minus to you.
  11. ism_ek
    ism_ek 13 September 2013 11: 24 New
    +1
    One thing is not clear why civilian ships, including nuclear-powered icebreakers, have been without repair for 25 years, and the military have taken several long voyages and have been renovated for three ... four years ....
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 13 September 2013 12: 37 New
      +5
      One thing is not clear why civilian ships, including nuclear-powered icebreakers, have been without repair for 25 years, and the military have taken several long voyages and have been renovated for three ... four years ....

      Shipowners independently manage profits, allocate funds for ship repair. Ship repair can be ordered on favorable terms in any country, at any ship repair plant. Average ship repair at the Polish factory Stocna Zatoka or Kimek in Kirkenes (Norway) takes three months and costs fifteen times cheaper than at any Russian shipyard.
      1. little man
        little man 13 September 2013 14: 25 New
        +6
        And the crew plays an important role. One thing is a civilian permanent crew on a salary - specialists in their field. And another thing is the sailors of two or three year-olds after training who all do not care to change the lubricant in the gearbox or so it goes.
        1. gunnerminer
          gunnerminer 13 September 2013 16: 06 New
          +3
          And the crew plays an important role. One thing is a civilian permanent crew on a salary - specialists in their field. And another thing is the sailors of two or three year-olds after training who all do not care to change the lubricant in the gearbox or so it goes.


          That's right! The civilian crew, all categories from the captain to the second-class sailor is selected by the crewing agency or personnel department. I will repeat - it selects, but does not recruit. They will conduct tests for knowledge of the specialty and other things, confirmed by certificates. The captain and senior mechanic who are inappropriate for their position have the opportunity write off in a convenient port with a replacement. Sudden alcohol tests are being conducted. Disciphers are sent home at their own expense, paying a ticket to the changer. The ship’s commander in the Navy does not have such crew formation capabilities.
    2. Coward
      Coward 13 September 2013 13: 22 New
      0
      Who told you that civil ships "have been running for 25 years without repair,"?
      After 15 years, almost all vessels in the gap and on the class in the dock. And very rarely in order to just paint and remove the gaps with a drawdown.
      1. Drosselmeyer
        Drosselmeyer 13 September 2013 17: 21 New
        0
        What 25 years without repair ?! Civilians in 10 years can already freely go to the metal. Now shipowners generally try not to operate ships over the age of 10 years, insurance companies, cargo, crew and the ship will not insure. This is what the military can afford to stand at the wall, while civilians are walking, it means they live, and then go to waste.
  12. kafa
    kafa 13 September 2013 11: 34 New
    +1
    it all depends on the service staff. if the board is fastened not only to the quay wall (mooring lines) but also to communications, saving resources on the face. and if a box like a swan on a pond is a star to all systems with a small (combat) resource. Have you ever seen "Antares" "Falcon" "Bison" alive? !!? well, everyone's internet port
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 13 September 2013 21: 28 New
      +5
      Quote: kafa
      Have you ever seen "Antares" "Falcon" "Bison" alive? !!?

      Andrew! On "Zubr" (for myself) I set a speed record on a warship. When landing, the RDGs flew into calm at a speed of 67,3 knots, then the optical accelerometer went on a spree: the bunny stopped hitting the receiver - calm!
  13. Zeus
    Zeus 13 September 2013 11: 41 New
    0
    Five years is an unrealistic wild term.
    1. quaygon
      quaygon 13 September 2013 11: 49 New
      +3
      I would even say 5 years - this is a sentence for the ship, if you recall the former Adm. Gorshkova (Vikramaditya) repair will be very long
    2. Coward
      Coward 13 September 2013 13: 25 New
      +1
      It all depends on the amount of repair and modernization. It seems to me that once such a period has been announced, the modernization will be "deep". And in all likelihood there will be a large amount of replacement of the hull structures.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 13 September 2013 21: 11 New
        +3
        Quote: Coward
        And in all likelihood there will be a large volume of replacement hull structures.

        I think rocket weapons will be removed from him. Expand the hangar. Replace radio electronics, put new air defense systems.
        By means of movement, I would transfer it to a diesel electric ship. Mistral runs on the electric course.
  14. Kavtorang
    Kavtorang 13 September 2013 12: 05 New
    +1
    Quote: SrgSoap
    there would not be a cut of the ship itself.

    But it is easy for us to break, not build. With some help from outside: the repair will go into the "sluggish" phase, then into the phase: "Postponed forever", then into the phase: "Cruiser" Aurora "
  15. indiggo
    indiggo 13 September 2013 12: 08 New
    +4
    5 years is a realistic deadline, you must understand that there is simply no infrastructure for quick repair and modernization ...
  16. Kavtorang
    Kavtorang 13 September 2013 12: 25 New
    +3
    [b] In general, it is not entirely clear why the fleet in 2019 will need a lone Kuznetsov with an air group from Mig-29K. If only to transfer it to the Pacific Fleet. Only there you need to do the infrastructure for it [b]
    Is he needed here? Where will the air regiment be based and practiced? Putting it in your own words: have they started to make infrastructure for it? No. I already wrote about the bankruptcy of Dalzavod and gave a link to the auditors of the Accounts Chamber. Will ruin any ship.
    1. Coward
      Coward 13 September 2013 13: 29 New
      +2
      I can assure you that Dalzavod was "bankrupt" in order to "forgive" the debts. Of course this is not the same "Dalzavod" as it was, but it is alive. And he set the price of a standard hour so that only the Navy will be repaired on it. And they don't hide that the price tag is overstated.
    2. Odysseus
      Odysseus 13 September 2013 15: 35 New
      +2
      Quote: Kavtorang
      Is he needed here? And where will the air regiment be based and practiced? In your words: the infrastructure for it began to do? No.

      Without infrastructure, of course, it is not necessary. But investing a lot of effort and money in order to get a "representative ship" at the Northern Fleet at the exit is also somehow stupid.
      What to do with him ?
  17. Kavtorang
    Kavtorang 13 September 2013 12: 37 New
    +3
    Quote: indiggo
    5 years is a realistic deadline, you must understand that there is simply no infrastructure for quick repair and modernization

    And where did this term go to waste, along with polymers? This is not a realistic deadline - this is massive madness. Our "striped" friends put into operation a nuclear-powered ship in 2,5 -3 years, with the flow-conveyor construction method.
  18. Kavtorang
    Kavtorang 13 September 2013 12: 56 New
    +2
    Quote: gunnerminer
    The average repair of a ship at the Polish factory Stechna Zatoka or Kimek in Kirkenes (Norway) takes three months and costs fifteen times cheaper than at any Russian shipyard

    I do not pretend to be true, but in Shanghai it is even cheaper and faster (adjusted for the Chinese understanding of the word "quality").
    Neither I nor the crews of the Chinese-built ships are ready to make claims to the shipyard for the newest ships - they are licked into a "needle". How it will be in the sea in winter - let's see, find fault with indiscriminate, I think - not right. We have to look.
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 13 September 2013 16: 12 New
      +2
      I do not pretend to be true, but in Shanghai it is even cheaper and faster (adjusted for the Chinese understanding of the word "quality").
      Neither I nor the crews of the Chinese-built ships are ready to make claims to the shipyard for the newest ships - they are licked into a "needle". How it will be in the sea in winter - let's see, find fault with indiscriminate, I think - not right. We have to look.

      I don’t know how hard it is. I have experience and can compare the quality of repairs at different shipyards. Van Brink in Rotterdam, Stochna Zatoka in Gdansk, Galveston (near Houston in the USA, Djurong Shipyard in Singapore, Neoreon in Greece (Syros island) with repair on the shipyard - 35, KMOLZ, SRZ-82, Marine plant in Murmansk. Low quality repairs at shipyards in El Ferrol in Spain, Curacao, SRZ in Piraeus.
  19. indiggo
    indiggo 13 September 2013 13: 23 New
    +2
    And where did this term go to waste, along with polymers? This is not a realistic deadline - this is massive madness. Our "striped" friends put into operation a nuclear-powered ship in 2,5 -3 years, with the flow-conveyor construction method.

    enough to compare who and how much they build ships. you understand that amers have everything in order to build quickly, they build all aircraft carriers in dry docks. but we don’t have a single dock, I don’t write about Sevmash since I don’t think it’s a dry dock. while the United States is actually the only short country to have full AUG. thereby having vast experience in the construction, modernization and operation. but I’m generally silent about our shipyards, only Sevmash and Amber can fully build in time and quality. and this is recognized at the highest level. Do you think I would be opposed if Kuzyu was modernized in 2-3 years? just knowing how long it took for Gorshkov 5 years is an acceptable term.
  20. kafa
    kafa 13 September 2013 13: 58 New
    +2
    military naval fleet - system! the system is powerful reliable and depends on from the Commander-in-Chief to the most lousy dog ​​(ball) next to the checkpoint or the side of the last barge, and if not, then not
  21. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 13 September 2013 14: 16 New
    +1
    We must, we must, as we must build a new and balanced fleet.
  22. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 13 September 2013 14: 58 New
    0
    I wonder if one of the eagles can be converted into a nuclear aircraft carrier.
    1. arnulla
      arnulla 13 September 2013 23: 45 New
      0
      This is unlikely. Converting a ship intended for one purpose into a ship solving completely different problems is comparable both financially and in time to the construction of a new one, and this is not counting the different craps that will inevitably come up when solving this problem.
      1. chunga-changa
        chunga-changa 14 September 2013 21: 27 New
        0
        They are going to capital anyway.
        Cut off the add-on and consider the floor of the hull ready to have, with the current power, GTZA, propeller group. To build a deck and a new superstructure, consider the hull ready. Further saturation, you can not rush, a couple of years of construction, consider already saved.
  23. kim. 230752
    kim. 230752 13 September 2013 15: 01 New
    +5
    The country is actually in a serious economic crisis. Oil prices are falling, gas exports are falling. The volume of GDP is practically not growing (according to the official version), but in fact it may even be decreasing. They are trying frantically to support the budget by increasing prices for excisable goods (gasoline, vodka, tobacco). The government is made up of clumsy people who readily say "what you please". At the head of the cabinet is a man who has never dealt with industry and economics in his life, only knows how to press the computer buttons well. Do you remember Kosygin or Ryzhkov ?! Add the nightmare flood in the Far East to the above. There, you want - you don't want, but huge money will go, because people have a "full paragraph" there. In this situation, five years to repair the "Kuznetsov" is the end of both the ship and the naval air group. Expect changes in legislation in order to reduce "power" pensions or change the conditions for their indexation. Sorry for the pessimistic remark.
  24. rudolff
    rudolff 13 September 2013 15: 04 New
    +3
    Five years is a lot, of course, but with our ship-repairing temperament, it’s good if you meet this deadline. Until all the approvals pass, until the troubleshooting is done, if they change the KTU, then it is necessary to prepare the project, place an order for a new power plant, also a piece of time. They seem to want to completely get rid of the missile system, but this is again the design work. The volume is quite comparable with Gorshkov, if not more.
  25. rudolff
    rudolff 13 September 2013 15: 58 New
    +4
    In Soviet times, it was a tradition in the fall to send aircraft-carrying cruisers from the Northern Fleet to "winter apartments" in the Mediterranean. Kuznetsov has nothing to do in the north, only to destroy the ship and the crew. It is impossible to warm it properly in winter, or dry it. To overtake it in the Black Sea Fleet closer to Nitka as a combat training or at the Pacific Fleet. On Tof, except for the hypothetical Mistrals, there will soon be no ships at all. In five years, the infrastructure can be created, and a new one can be built on the site of the Dalzavod, and the issue can be resolved with the basing of the air wing.
    1. harrymur
      harrymur 13 September 2013 18: 58 New
      +1
      in warm seas, it generally sinks right away, the metal throws in the tropics an order of magnitude stronger, the environment - the temperature of the air, cooling water is 10 degrees higher, Kuzya stupidly gets up and drowns like an ax, its place in Murmansk or in archa to the joy of metalworkers, funny it's all renovated, sorry for being unpatriotic
  26. Maks-80
    Maks-80 13 September 2013 16: 03 New
    +1
    Only give it to the French for modernization. Those will make it in one and a half - two years. And we still do not have the fact that for five (((They also steal half (((
  27. darksoul
    darksoul 13 September 2013 16: 40 New
    0
    Here is an interesting video by the way
    1. ism_ek
      ism_ek 14 September 2013 12: 18 New
      +1
      Campaign reportage, wartime times, has little to do with reality. In particular, the "Tbilisi" boat was sunk by our paratroopers in the port of Poti.
      http://www.ng.ru/nvo/2008-10-29/100_saebattle.html
  28. military
    military 13 September 2013 16: 55 New
    +1
    ... and in just some 5 years, the increased number of AUG of our striped opponents with all its modernized power will again be opposed by the same "Admiral Kuznetsov" ... lonely, but even more formidable ...
    x *** roo somehow in my soul from the realization of such "greatness" ... request
  29. URAL72
    URAL72 13 September 2013 17: 06 New
    +1
    It would be nice to push a couple of compact (a) reactors into it, while realizing the principle of full electric motion. It can be serial with a PLA. You look, and the place would be vacated, not only for aviation fuel, but also for at least one catapult, for operational experience and training pilots for new aircraft carriers. You also need to change air defense, PTZ, radar.
  30. Drosselmeyer
    Drosselmeyer 13 September 2013 17: 23 New
    0
    It is believed that the ship will not come out of any repairs. Five years of repair only officially is a sentence to the ship.
  31. harrymur
    harrymur 13 September 2013 18: 24 New
    +6
    forging and repair, these are two incompatible things, someone imagines the current state of kuzi, this is a tin can, which was tinted, cooked from time to time, why not immediately say that it is sucks, 5 years of repair, during which time it will need to be re- repair, the only thing that’s alive there is a set of hull, stiffeners, everything else is completely scrap, the metal of the hull in some places is burned with an electrode, when it was last moved from the wall to the Severomorsk raid, it covered the floor of the gulf with oil, most likely deadwood dripped, or the mechanics passed and gave a shit, a similar incident costs between 250-500 tons $ over the hill and we are all putting it down, we need it to the scrap, it’s all dead, it’s better to rebuild a new one
  32. AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 13 September 2013 18: 27 New
    +1
    Quote: Kibalchish
    Only the main thing is that the repair at 20 is not delayed


    To me, a non-marine person, and 5 years in repair seems to be a long time. Although knowing our Russian habits, I understand that even this period can easily be turned into 20 years. And after reading some posts on the condition of the ship (in particular harrimur (2)), everything looks completely depressing.
  33. FireFly
    FireFly 13 September 2013 18: 39 New
    0
    Admiral Kuznetsov: With a Guide to the Ark
    http://ялик-м.рф/s-putevoditelem-po-kovchegu/

    I wonder how much situevina at that time differs from the current one? ..
  34. dimon-media
    dimon-media 13 September 2013 18: 49 New
    +1
    Kuznetsov for repair, and in return what? "Got it"? Well, you can’t take something for long-term repair without a replacement. And it is also impossible without repair. A double-edged sword. It says something ..
  35. APASUS
    APASUS 13 September 2013 19: 44 New
    0
    What is 5 years to modernize ... not much? Compare with the western pace and we are in flight.
    Yes, and it's time to build new ones!
  36. Vtel
    Vtel 13 September 2013 19: 47 New
    +1
    Let Kuzma be treated, you see, the fluffy will become more dangerous, but you also have to lay a new aircraft carrier, there is nothing to pull - they always lack money - they steal, oh how much they steal.
  37. Algor73
    Algor73 13 September 2013 20: 29 New
    0
    Yes, my grandfather is tired, he wants to rest, heal ...
  38. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 13 September 2013 20: 58 New
    +6
    Good evening. The worst thing in the repair is not the timing: the iron can be "strained", in a shock-like manner, made ahead of schedule. The worst thing about the repair is the ripping of the crew. There is always a shortage of intelligent officers and warrant officers, the staff collapse (the BF operational formation for 2013 requested 48 lieutenants - they gave 12!). So it turns out that the pros are washed out, the ballast remains, but the ship's command, the commanders of the main warheads (mechanics are in any way held hostage). And further from rem training, the transition to BP and independent swimming with the development of course tasks. But this is not the most important thing either. The main thing is to ensure the basing, maintenance, preparation and production of aircraft flights. And how many problems with at least one power supply for the flyers! On "Kiev", for example, only for them there were 2 saloons: flight crews and techies. And they were fed there so that many restaurants would envy. Again, ensuring the rest of the pilots, their physical condition. All these skills are lost during repairs. Therefore, after the modernization, Kuza will have to be born again, combining into a single whole the crew of the ship, the l / s of the ship's assault aviation regiment and the helicopter anti-submarine squadron.
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 13 September 2013 22: 09 New
      +2
      The worst thing to repair is crew tearing



      That's right! A bit from a different area. Now there are the same personnel problems with the manning for Mistral-Vladivostok. They are trying to agitate reserve workers.
  39. rudolff
    rudolff 13 September 2013 21: 53 New
    +3
    Good evening, Boa. Post-repair problems are known and cannot be avoided. This is clear. But you can't pull further, the ship is essentially not a combat one. With the help of what "chemistry" it remains first-line and how the crew hand over coursework is a mystery to me. About the KTU, which fails with all boilers immediately after the next repair, only the lazy does not speak. The officers heal him at the first opportunity. Either it is necessary to bring it to Godhead or put it on the eternal joke closer to Yeisk as a training deck for pilots.
  40. phantom359
    phantom359 13 September 2013 21: 56 New
    +1
    it’s good to upgrade, but something new needs to be built, not limited to corvettes. There was a wonderful project with Ulyanovsk nuclear power plant, there is an operating time, adapted to modern requirements. Expensive, but it's worth the cost.
  41. understudy
    understudy 14 September 2013 00: 12 New
    0
    As I recall, how many Indian alterations were mocked, so something becomes sad. Alas, this is not a limpiado with a mundiley. request
    1. garik77
      garik77 14 September 2013 01: 18 New
      0
      Well, of course, but five years ... Long, damn it. That would be about three years, and preferably two.
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  43. voliador
    voliador 14 September 2013 01: 41 New
    0
    I would like to know what exactly is meant by the term "deep modernization"?
  44. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 14 September 2013 05: 20 New
    0
    [quote = man] But it is a pity that instead, not together. The Chinese then do the analogue of the su-33 for their aircraft carriers. [/ Qu
    There were statements that the Kuznetsov aviation link consisted of 24 Mig-29K (Mig-35K) and 12 modernized Su-33s. I think this is the best option.
  45. Zomanus
    Zomanus 14 September 2013 09: 10 New
    0
    It is high time. Air defense / missile defense update. FFP put another. And also observation and target designation to update. I don’t even want to talk about Russian Hokai ...
  46. Nayhas
    Nayhas 15 September 2013 16: 17 New
    0
    It should be recognized that Kuznetsova expects a long and painful death, billions of wasted money, high-profile corruption scandals ...