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The national idea of ​​Russia should be the freedom of the Russian people.

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The national idea of ​​Russia should be the freedom of the Russian people.It should contain the basic Russian values: Freedom, Creativity, Spirituality


Russia finally has a national idea, reports the newspaper Izvestia. It was developed in the Presidential Council on Interethnic Relations. A concept came out of the officials' pen, which suggests that preserving the health of every citizen is a contribution “to the general gene pool of the Nation,” serving the Fatherland is “the highest guideline for a citizen,” business must become “green and socially oriented,” and indeed to Russians it is worth reviewing your priorities and putting "the spiritual over the material."

Citizens are also urged to “realize historical Russia's mission as a translator of justice and creation, support and support for hundreds of large and small nations around the world ”,“ to honor the past, value the present and build the future ”, as well as“ not to have something, but to be someone in life ” .

The thoughts themselves are probably not bad, but it is clear that the authors do not understand what a national idea is. They think that the national idea is a code of ethics. Say, behave well, do not behave badly, help others, do good ...

But the national idea is different. What is the "American national idea"? This is the so-called "American dream". What is its essence? The fact that anyone who came to America, regardless of religion, nationality, color, etc., can achieve success and prosperity. The son of a simple Soviet professor Sergey Brin became a billionaire in America and co-owner of a giant Google. This is the embodiment of the "American dream". "Who was nothing, that will be all." But not in the sense of “expropriation of the expropriated”, but in the sense of becoming a rich, educated, modern person. America still stands on this dream, even though it has faded in recent decades.

What does this mean? The fact that a national idea is not an ethical code, but a formula of freedom. You will come to America, and she will give you the golden mountains. Americans still celebrate Thanksgiving. What is the meaning of this holiday? The first settlers after a hungry winter unexpectedly received a rich harvest. As a token of gratitude for him, they established this Day, which has been celebrated as a public holiday since Washington. Free labor in a free land is the ideal.

So, if we want to formulate a national idea, we must “dance” not from the ethical code, but from the ideas of freedom and prosperity. What benefits does God give to those who become "Russian"? What freedom does the one who binds his fate with Russia and the Russian people receive?

The answers to these questions, oddly enough, were. They spoke about spirituality, about the special intensity of friendly and intellectual ties in Russia. Say, Russia is a holy land, where people in a special way feel their closeness to the Lord. "Depressed by the burden of the cross, all of you, my own land, in a slavish form, the King of Heaven proceeded in blessing."

All spoiled the preaching of slavery and poverty. They began to say that Russian spirituality is to live in hunger and cold, but to help other nations build communism. By the way, in the concept quoted by Izvestia there is this rotten idea. They began to say that Russians, unlike other nations, need neither wealth, nor well-being, nor freedom. Say, harnessed to the eternal yoke of the Russian only and must do that to pay for the celebration of life for others.

Of course, such a “national idea” could not fail. A hungry person cannot be highly spiritual, as a slave cannot be. First you need to free yourself. I anticipate objections: what about Christians? After all, religion went to the slaves. Yes, but only a slave who converted to Christianity is no longer a slave. At least psychologically. Who is a slave to God is no longer a slave to people.

Therefore, if we look for a national idea, then on the paths of conjugation of spiritual and intellectual freedom with political and state freedom. Political freedom is associated with the creation of a nation, which I understand as a community of citizens with equal “package” of rights. A citizen has guarantees of his independence and freedom. The guardian of his personality is the law. If there is a nation, if there are citizens, then they can freely create, be creative, and this enriches the country both materially and spiritually.

That is, the national idea of ​​Russia is freedom for the Russian people and all peoples who have concluded an alliance with us. The realization of this freedom is the creation of high culture and science, education, high-tech production, to which Russians feel a special inclination.

Russians are a nation of engineers and writers. Russian realizes his freedom in the process of intellectual creativity. That is why the intelligentsia had such a high status in Russia, that is, a stratum of people engaged in precisely “smart work”, creativity. Ideally, all citizens of Russia should belong to the intelligentsia understood in this way.

Perhaps the ideal of an intellectual as a highly educated person engaged in creative work is the national idea of ​​our country. Of course, in the last 20 years, the intelligentsia has been ridiculed and spat upon, educated people have become shy to refer themselves to it. “I am an intellectual,” they began to say. But the thirst for knowledge, the prestige of creative work remain. The Academy of Sciences, which the government in its madness is trying to disperse, and its property - to plunder, remains a prestigious place of work no matter what. Because creative work is possible there, to which Russians feel a special inclination.
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  1. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 13 September 2013 07: 06 New
    -19 qualifying.
    Freedom is yes. If freedom of creativity existed in our country, we would long ago become the second United States, and so "the country of slaves, the country of masters ..."
    1. Kibalchish
      Kibalchish 13 September 2013 08: 44 New
      -13 qualifying.
      I wonder why they are minus! Is it really so bad to be a big and developed country like America? Or do some people, in principle, do not want freedom, it is enough for them "as the Party says"?
      1. Sibiryak
        Sibiryak 13 September 2013 10: 11 New
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        Quote: Kibalchish
        I wonder why they are minus!

        We have FREEDOM of choice to agree with you or not !!!
      2. T80UM1
        T80UM1 13 September 2013 10: 12 New
        +4
        Freedom is a relative concept, Freedom to what? To man? In what? In deeds? So close to anarchy. In any free country there are restrictions on this very freedom.
        1. GREAT RUSSIA
          GREAT RUSSIA 14 September 2013 16: 05 New
          +1
          The national idea of ​​RUSSIA should be the achievement of power, wealth and prosperity through universal efforts, i.e. all the peoples who live on its territory should come together and return to their homeland its former greatness. The power of RUSSIA in the friendship of its peoples, it was so with the USSR, it will be so in RUSSIA. We all know that the USSR was destroyed not only because of liberals, but due to the fact that its peoples began to quarrel among themselves. The seeds of contradiction were brought to our MOTHERLAND and when they grew, they led to ethnic conflicts. Which led to the collapse of the greatest power in the history of the world-USSR. And this led to the greatest geopolitical catastrophe in the history of the world.
          1. Joffrey
            Joffrey 15 September 2013 12: 27 New
            0
            This is impossible; when people live on the same territory with a mutually exclusive developmental culture, ethnic conflicts are inevitable. In the USSR there was an institute of registration and all multinational peoples lived within their historical lands. And everyone was kind of like neighbors in a village (each has its own house, plot and fence).
      3. Natalia
        Natalia 13 September 2013 10: 13 New
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        Quote: Kibalchish
        I wonder why they are minus! Is it really so bad to be a big and developed country like America.

        I didn’t minus you, I declare you responsibly, but the American dream is not like the Russian soul and our way of thinking. American dream: This is money, money, money, and that’s all ... and we think very differently. We must not be like America, we must be ourselves, we must preserve ourselves with us without the American idea. I personally don’t think that we are living poorly, we are not doing well, but not bad, we are climbing ... we are climbing without gold mountains, without a lot of money, but simply because we believe that we can, we believe in yourself in the strength of the spirit, the strength of the spirit of the Russian people and other peoples inhabiting our homeland. Here is the Russian idea: in the strength of mind backed up by ideas embodied in life, and not in the golden mountains and the accumulation of capital.

        PS We will never become Americans, Americans will never become us, we are not just different, we are diametrically opposed in thinking and mentality.
        As you said
        Quote: Kibalchish
        "how will the Party say"?
        you know yes, and that’s enough for us, we have been living like this for a thousand years, and we are living pretty well, with that kind of thinking we went through quite a few times and won a lot of victories ... if you don’t think so, then maybe you are better .. . to leave.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 13 September 2013 10: 18 New
          +6
          Quote: Natalia
          We will never become Americans, Americans will never become us, we are not just different,

          Hi Natasha! Are you sure that he is Russian?
          1. Natalia
            Natalia 13 September 2013 10: 31 New
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Hi Natasha! Are you sure that he is Russian?

            Hello Sasha! Yes, you know how I didn’t go into such details))) I’m just allergic to any kind of advertising like: "Now you can easily leave for the USA and work there"
            1. Vlad 1965
              Vlad 1965 13 September 2013 11: 06 New
              +2
              The icon on the avatar sometimes says a lot about who is tormenting the clave under this avatar, and there it looks like the NATO logo ...
              1. Natalia
                Natalia 13 September 2013 11: 11 New
                +1
                Quote: Vlad 1965
                The icon on the avatar sometimes says a lot about who is tormenting the clave under this avatar, and there it looks like the NATO logo ...

                Yes, like a Soviet flag hooked ... but for some reason admires America. I would hook US flag, but or gay ....
                1. Vlad 1965
                  Vlad 1965 13 September 2013 11: 14 New
                  +1
                  mimicrants on the Internet, in BULK. Anything they hook, if only to muddy their pro-Western, to drag people into the brains ..
                2. FireFly
                  FireFly 14 September 2013 00: 05 New
                  -3
                  Quote: Natalia
                  Yes, like a Soviet flag hooked ... but for some reason admires America.

                  Natalia, do you know who under Stalin built the Soviet Union industry?
                  If you don’t know, then I give a subtle hint: the USA and Germany did this.
                  Therefore, you can afford to slightly admire America.
                  1. Alone
                    Alone 14 September 2013 13: 07 New
                    0
                    Quote: FireFly
                    Natalia, do you know who under Stalin built the Soviet Union industry?
                    If you don’t know, then I give a subtle hint: the USA and Germany did this.
                    Therefore, you can afford to slightly admire America.

                    What nonsense.
                  2. GREAT RUSSIA
                    GREAT RUSSIA 14 September 2013 16: 10 New
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                    Quote: FireFly
                    Quote: Natalia
                    Yes, like a Soviet flag hooked ... but for some reason admires America.

                    Natalia, do you know who under Stalin built the Soviet Union industry?
                    If you don’t know, then I give a subtle hint: the USA and Germany did this.
                    Therefore, you can afford to slightly admire America.

                    I saw your Germany and the USA. It was they who tried to destroy our industry then and now. The USSR built all the nations together with labor, then with blood. And all sorts of Western things should not be interfered.
            2. GREAT RUSSIA
              GREAT RUSSIA 14 September 2013 16: 08 New
              0
              Quote: Natalia
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Hi Natasha! Are you sure that he is Russian?

              Hello Sasha! Yes, you know how I didn’t go into such details))) I’m just allergic to any kind of advertising like: "Now you can easily leave for the USA and work there"

              Dear Natalya, and who has no allergies to this kind of advertising? Personally, I can’t stand it.
        2. Natalia
          Natalia 13 September 2013 10: 25 New
          +7
          Or do some people, in principle, do not want freedom, it is enough for them "as the Party says"?

          And what freedom do you have there in America? And why is the American party better than other parties ... most of the population is against the war in Syria, has anyone asked the population? Did anyone consider the population at all? Elections in your "free" America are through electors, and the electors vote as the heads of global corporations advise them, and do not care what the population thinks there, well, there is the appearance of freedom, and okay ...

          Freedom today is a choice between washing powder and a car, no matter where you live. So don't talk about the super "free" American world.
          1. Ossetian.
            Ossetian. 20 September 2013 12: 45 New
            0
            Yes, there is no freedom there ... A country that is decaying in every sense, a country where there are no spiritual and moral values, a country where gay marriage is propagandized and they see nothing wrong with that.

            So I agree with you drinks
        3. Normal
          Normal 13 September 2013 11: 16 New
          -1
          Quote: Natalia
          As you said
          Quote: Kibalchish
          "how will the Party say"?
          you know yes, and that’s enough for us .......
          you better ... leave.


          Psychology pro-power - slave psychology.
          "We are given instructions and not even everything is taken away - hurray !, and whoever does not agree, let him leave."

          ........
          Power is the ability and ability of a certain subject (individual, collective, organization) to subordinate to itself the will and behavior of another subject (individual, collective, organization) in their own interests or in the interests of other persons. Those. Power is, first of all, the ability to impose one’s will.
          Power is always based on strength. This is its most important feature, since it is the presence of power that determines the position of a subject as the ruling one.

          http://rus.anarchopedia.org/Анархия
        4. goldfinger
          goldfinger 13 September 2013 13: 49 New
          0
          [I]I personally don’t think that we are living poorly, we are not doing well, but not bad, we are climbing ... we are climbing without gold mountains, without a lot of money, but simply because we believe that we can, we believe in yourself in the strength of the spirit, the strength of the spirit of the Russian people and other peoples inhabiting our homeland. Here is the Russian idea: in the strength of mind backed up by ideas embodied in life, and not in the golden mountains and the accumulation of capital. [I][i] Cit. Natalia. [/ i]
          Actually, the names of many non-Jews, Russians, who have, as you put it, "heaps of money" and "mountains of gold" are known. Nowhere in the world today is there such a material, monetary stratification as in Russia. And your "Russian idea" is sharply at odds with the "Russian idea" of the Ozero cooperative, which is at the head of the country.
          There are 7 million Russians living in the United States, a whole country, but I think that most of them left just for the American idea-dream, to become richer. After all, people are not cut out of the same logs, like Pinocchio, and their dreams are therefore different. And, unfortunately, we were already pushing the "iron hand" into the "Marxist idea," the "state of universal happiness, and one Bolshevik idea." As Confucius said, "let thousands of flowers bloom."
          1. matross
            matross 13 September 2013 16: 50 New
            0
            Quote: goldfinger
            7 million Russians live in the USA, the whole country, but I think that most of them left just for the American idea, to become richer

            Are you there too? Dreams come true? And do not call all immigrants from the USSR and Russia Russian!
            Quote: goldfinger
            After all, people are not cut out of the same logs as Pinocchio, and their dreams are, therefore, different

            Tooting! Most of your American dreams are idiot without interest!
            Quote: goldfinger
            And unfortunately, unfortunately, we were pushed by the "iron hand" into the "Marxist idea", into the "state of universal happiness," and one, the Bolshevik idea.

            Wait, it's not over yet! And with your American friends, push your ideas wherever you go with an iron hand! Yes, to go deeper, though fortunately, even to the tonsils! am
          2. Joffrey
            Joffrey 15 September 2013 12: 42 New
            0
            They don't have 7 million Russians there, please don't confuse Russians with "Russians". They followed the American dream back in the 70s, there was a 2nd wave of immigration. And it's not that we are different, but that mine parents never had an idea to leave their home and their piece of land soaked with blood and the sweat of their ancestors, no matter how pretentious it sounds.
        5. Egor.nic
          Egor.nic 13 September 2013 15: 39 New
          +4
          - "We have been living like this for a thousand years, and we live quite well, with this thinking we have lived through many times and won many victories ... if you don’t think so, then perhaps you had better ... leave."

          "We" is a loose concept. It is sacrilege to speak of a good life in the last almost hundred years. Especially after the violent destruction of tens of millions of people, slave labor, a total shortage of food and goods. Bolshevism eradicated all the best from people, and what remained in the general mass was laziness, snitching, intrigue, meanness at the household and official level, giganticism, duplicity, hooking up, embezzlement, half of Russia adores prison songs, but does not know Tchaikovsky and Rachmaninov. Shit on a neighbor or partner is considered cool. Helping a neighbor or those in need is considered overwhelming. Being educated, unintelligent, and decent - that sucks. And grimacing on stage with your fingers spread and making vulgar jokes is considered an advanced achievement of culture and development.
          Squealing and croaking in the swamp, playpen or somewhere else, for Western candy wrappers - this is considered a democracy. Stupidly reselling someone else's product is considered prestigious. And to pull your country out of shit, working with your brains and helping with your hands, while creating an intellectual and material product - this is considered an unworthy occupation. Children no longer want to be a teacher, doctor or astronaut; children want to be fashion models, prostitutes, new Russians, and bandits. Etc. etc. This is all the consequence of the Marxist-Leninist policy of creating an obedient brainless herd controlled by the elite of the elected party members. Is it because now all trash strives for power at all levels and is supported from the outside. After all, it’s easy to manage anonymized, unspiritual and not remembering their kinship ....
          1. matross
            matross 13 September 2013 18: 31 New
            +2
            Quote: Egor.nic
            considered flush

            Quote: Egor.nic
            Be a teacher, doctor or astronaut

            Quote: Egor.nic
            This is all a consequence of Marxist-Leninist politics.

            Dear friend, you first learn to write the word "zapadlo" correctly, and only then proceed to criticize the Marxist-Leninist policy. Which, by the way, exists only in your imagination, in contrast to the Marxist-Leninist philosophy. And if your children do not want to be astronauts, but want to be
            Quote: Egor.nic
            fashion models, prostitutes, new Russians,
            bandits.

            so climb onto the roof of the highest hut in your village and throw yourself down a stone - you fuck father!
          2. rexby63
            rexby63 13 September 2013 21: 36 New
            -1
            Children no longer want to be a teacher, doctor or astronaut; children want to be fashion models, prostitutes, new Russians, and bandits.


            As well as bloggers.
            You, as I understood from your angry commentary, are either a doctor, or an astronaut, or a teacher?
        6. FireFly
          FireFly 14 September 2013 00: 00 New
          +1
          Quote: Natalia
          The American Dream: It's Money, Money, Money, and All

          The American dream is a successful business. And money is a measure of business success.
          The Russian dream is to lie on the stove until they all bring it.
          .
          Quote: Natalia
          we have been living like this for a thousand years, and we live quite well, with such thinking we have gone through quite a few times and won quite a few victories ... if you don’t think so, then maybe you better ... leave.

          Is it like a joke, if you got into ge, sit quietly and do not tweet? laughing

          Those of the Russians who left embodied their ideas in America, the same Sikorsky.
          So people with ideas should be tried to leave at home and give them all the opportunities for implementation, otherwise then the fate of the country will be forever in the role of catching up.
          1. Joffrey
            Joffrey 15 September 2013 12: 48 New
            0
            He left not for a long dollar, but because he would have been shot here.
      4. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 13 September 2013 10: 17 New
        +3
        Quote: Kibalchish
        Is it really so bad to be a big and developed country like America.

        Big and digging, you want in the USA - the scales!
        Quote: Kibalchish
        . Or some, in principle, do not want freedom

        And what kind of freedom do you still need? Someone shuts your mouth or you went to jail from the Internet.
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 13 September 2013 11: 43 New
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Big and digging, you want in the USA - the scales!

          Sasha, what are you talking about belay ? laughing Think by yourself-
      5. starshina78
        starshina78 13 September 2013 12: 30 New
        +2
        Why are they minus! For comparing Russia and the United States, calling for creative freedom. To what creativity and what freedom of creativity? These two concepts have many aspects in their concept. Technical, artistic, and maybe in some other work. and that in Russia now there is no freedom of creativity? There are, in my opinion, even too much. Pictures in which the Lord is depicted together with Hitler are also creativity, according to the concepts of some citizens, but what, what does it teach? In my opinion, we have already forgotten how to understand the beautiful, the kind, since someone praises these arts, watches with gusto "Comedy Club", the NTV channel with dirt and sewage that is constantly on this channel, we watch moronic American films and admire them. And this is the people from which Pushkin emerged. The national idea will not appear by any directives or decrees. Something out of the ordinary must happen so that the people rally around the leader, become a single mechanism, ready for heroic deeds and achievements. Why did the people rally around the CPSU (b) in the thirties, forties, fifties, and later around the CPSU? There was an idea to pull the country out of the devastation of the civil war, the industrialization of the entire country, war, and again the rise of the country from the ashes, achievements of science and industry, "we will catch up and overtake America." and now what? Everyone is busy with one thing - how to live the day, except for those who think "how to save another billion." The stratification in society is too great to unite the beggar and the millionaire living in the countryside and the Muscovite. Yes, and about the health of the nation, the question is controversial. medicine in Russia is selective - those who have money survive and recover from even fatal diseases, and those who have no money and die from acute respiratory infections. The health of the nation also depends on how the government is fighting such evils as alcoholism and drug addiction. No result is visible yet. In general, a national idea is necessary!
      6. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 13 September 2013 13: 15 New
        +1
        The national ideas of Russia should be the idea of ​​social equality and justice all peoples and nationalities living in our country, every citizen of Russia!
        Social equality and justice will return to us those achievements that the people lost during the liquidation of the USSR and Soviet power.
        This social equality and right should extend to all the resources and riches of Russia, this right should be delegated to the state and should not be transferred to anyone else, it should ensure a decent life for all Russians.
        Social equality will ensure the equal rights of everyone in free education at all levels, up to higher, free health care, providing a sufficient number of places in accessible preschool institutions, providing decent and well-paid jobs, ensuring a decent old-age pension and disability, and providing the right to be protected by the state and participate in government.
        It is only a pity that the idea of ​​social equality and justice is disadvantageous to a handful of capitalists who usurped power in Russia for their own profits.
        Profit, money, a golden calf - this is today the national idea of ​​Russiaruled by capitalists and their stooges in power.
        And in the United States, the national idea is the same golden calf, money, profit, and not the ephemeral slogan that "anyone who comes to America, regardless of religion, nationality, skin color, etc., can achieve success and prosperity." ...
      7. Apostle
        Apostle 13 September 2013 14: 50 New
        +1
        Sorry, but I didn’t understand what the article was about, either we are striving for the ideals of freedom, or we are fighting for slavery ... in general, I did not understand anything.
      8. honest jew
        honest jew 13 September 2013 21: 08 New
        +1
        I put a plus !!!
      9. Andriasov
        Andriasov 13 September 2013 21: 38 New
        0
        minus for the fact that the whole country Russia (not Russia) is taken in the title, and the idea of ​​freedom in it is offered only to one national group of its composition ..
    2. Sibiryak
      Sibiryak 13 September 2013 10: 07 New
      +1
      Quote: Kibalchish
      and so "the country of slaves, the country of masters ..."

      In the United States, strangely enough, creativity refers to conversation as obscene in society and the appearance there with a bare backside. In my opinion, this is called differently than freedom!
      Do you even know what kind of freedom you need?
      1. Vlad 1965
        Vlad 1965 13 September 2013 11: 08 New
        +4
        Observing the current Russian political life, one can notice a certain relationship between the presence of democratic views and the mental health of their carriers. The most striking examples are the fiery speeches of Valeria Novodvorskaya, the well-known fact that the future Yabloko leader Grigory Yavlinsky was in a mental hospital, or one of the leading journalists of Moskovsky Komsomolets Alexander Khinstein had an official certificate of schizophrenia.

        However, a similar phenomenon manifested itself in earlier eras. Let's take the ideological predecessors of today's liberals - Russian Masons of the late XNUMXth - early XNUMXth centuries. Many people know about the insanity of P.Ya. Chaadaev, a member of the United Friends Masonic lodge and the Decembrist Union of Prosperity, who wrote articles filled with hatred of Russia. However, it is much less known that one of the founders of the Decembrist movement, Major General Matvey Alexandrovich Dmitriev-Mamonov, was also, as they say, "out of his mind."
    3. Flooding
      Flooding 13 September 2013 10: 53 New
      +2
      Quote: Kibalchish
      If freedom of creativity existed in our country, we would long ago become the second United States, and so "the country of slaves, the country of masters ..."

      Russia is not destined to become the "second United States", because it was, is and will be the one and only and inimitable. Whether life was worse in her, whether life would be better, but she is RUSSIA.

      The article is one-sided, miserable. If the author would be an American, then his thoughts would be clear. Money, wealth, capital.
      But was this written by a Russian person? Hard to believe.
      Title article "The freedom of the Russian people should become the national idea of ​​Russia" and to reduce it to the "American dream" - in this one sees such inferiority, such an abyss gapes in the understanding of the spirit of the Russian people.

      For the table of contents - plus, for the content - minus.
      1. Ruslan_F38
        Ruslan_F38 13 September 2013 11: 36 New
        +1
        The author proposes to take as a basis the "national idea" of the United States -
        What is the "American National Idea"? This is the so-called "American dream." What is its essence? The fact is that anyone who came to America, regardless of religion, nationality, skin color, etc., can achieve success and prosperity. The son of a simple Soviet professor Sergey Brin became the billionaire and co-owner of the giant Google in America. This is the embodiment of the "American dream."
        - this is nonsense and absolutely destructive for our people, our country - the destructiveness of the "idea of ​​benefits" for Russia has been proven by time. Material saturation is not the main thing for us, it is even at the genetic level inherent in us - we are not Jews, excuse me. For us, the main thing has always been love for the homeland, spiritual purity and decency, compassion and a desire to help our neighbor. And for the West, this is a benefit. A real Russian person is not looking for benefits, this Western perverted subculture and pseudo values ​​are already fed up, since the collapse of the USSR, they have been implanted in us and thereby destroyed our national identity itself - tired, we are really not like that. By myself, I judge the more money I earn, the more clearly I understand that this does not and will not make me happier. The article is correctly named, only you need to add Freedom of the Russian people from Western influence, pseudo values ​​and alien "culture" and the revival of national identity, a return to true Russian values.
        serving the Fatherland is “the highest reference point for a citizen”, business should become “environmentally friendly and socially oriented,” and indeed, Russians should reconsider their priorities and put “spiritual over material”.
        - it may be true, but before offering us the national idea - PUBLICALLY NAME AND UNDERSTAND JUDAH IN AUTHORITIES AND BUSINESS AND RETURN THE STOLENED IN ECONOMY, NAME AND HEROES WHICH IT NEEDS TO BE TALKED about, and we will talk about it later.
    4. Max otto
      Max otto 13 September 2013 11: 28 New
      +2
      Kibalchish

      And who doesn’t let you do creativity? Who is oppressing you? Tell everyone! Explain everything to me, who and whom does not give what to do in Russia? That is what specifically are there any restrictions? Exactly specifically, articles of the constitution, the Criminal Code, the Labor Code, and other instructions, decrees, documents, what exactly is it and who is stopping it?
    5. Ossetian.
      Ossetian. 13 September 2013 12: 27 New
      +4
      Thank God that in our country there is not that freedom and creativity in the United States.
      People like you do not see point blank, or do not want to see how our country, Great and Beautiful Russia, is slowly but confidently getting up from its knees. And I will honestly say that I do not envy those who will put sticks in the wheels on the path of becoming Beloved Russia.
      Homeland, Fatherland, Country ... in a word RUSSIA, we must love despite its condition.
      Before the collapse of the USSR, you all looked and wanted the values ​​of the West, and so you got the 90 years.
      We have a GREAT COUNTRY, GREAT PEOPLE, GREAT HISTORY.
      GLORY TO RUSSIA!!!
      Glory to Putin !!!
      1. Natalia
        Natalia 13 September 2013 14: 17 New
        +6
        Quote: Ossetian.
        In a word, RUSSIA must be loved in spite of its condition.

        ... from you well done wink
        + drinks
        1. Alexander 1958
          Alexander 1958 13 September 2013 18: 41 New
          0
          Natalia, I'm sorry, my offer is addressed to KIBALCHISH! Strange somehow the site is working ..
        2. Ossetian.
          Ossetian. 20 September 2013 12: 46 New
          0
          Natalia thanks.
          According to your comments, you are not far behind. Smart girl love
    6. Alexander 1958
      Alexander 1958 13 September 2013 18: 31 New
      0
      Change your nickname! You are better suited BAD!
    7. Alexander 1958
      Alexander 1958 13 September 2013 18: 35 New
      +1
      Good afternoon! Have you thought about changing NIKA? It seems to me that BAD will be much more natural .. wink
  2. Warrawar
    Warrawar 13 September 2013 07: 25 New
    -2
    Caucasian national idea for Russians

    Izvestia writes today that the search for a "national idea" is coming to an end.

    They are looking, of course, in the Kremlin, in that very presidential Council for Interethnic Relations.

    Let me remind you that this council is headed by Magomedsalam Magomedalievich Magomedov, a member of United Russia and deputy head of the presidential administration.

    Listen to how musical it sounds:

    "The national idea, as conceived by the authors, consists of two theses -" To live according to conscience "and" To live for the good of the Fatherland. "
    “We have written everything in the project: the goals and objectives of the Nazi idea, how to popularize it in society, how it will affect the life of an ordinary Russian,” one of the project developers, a member of the Council, State Duma deputy and military chieftain of the Great Don Army Viktor Vodolatsky told Izvestia. "This is the result of a long search for a national idea that has been going on for 23 years."

    And here it is:

    “... and in general, Russians should reconsider their priorities and put“ spiritual over material ”.
    Citizens are also strongly encouraged to "realize the historical mission of Russia as a translator of justice and creativity, support and support for hundreds of large and small nations around the world."

    I.e. The national idea for the "ordinary Russian" under the patronage of the Magomedovs boils down to one thing: "It is better for the Russian people to be malnourished."

    In return, Russians are encouraged to "live according to conscience" and "for the good of the Fatherland", and of course for the good of "small nations around the world."

    What kind of "Fatherland" is this, I recently wrote in the article "It is difficult to be a patriot", I will not repeat myself.

    It is clear why this "nazide" is being pulled out right now - there is a forced cut of the social network, and the Caucasus must also be sprinkled with money - the mountaineers are indignant.

    "To put the spiritual over the material" in Eurasian means "to put the Caucasians over the Russians", "to put the Asian migrants over the indigenous population", "put Sobyanin over Navalny", etc.

    Alexander Zhuchkovsky

    http://rosndp.org/kavkazskaya-nacionaljnaya-ideya-dlya-russkih-.htm
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 13 September 2013 08: 12 New
      +8
      You put minuses, bet. And at your leisure, think how many billions of budgetary funds Magomedsalam Magomedalievich Magomedov had to "master" in order to "give birth" to such a wonderful national idea.
      1. Sour
        Sour 13 September 2013 12: 54 New
        +5
        And at your leisure, think how many billions of budget funds (and not only budget funds) were stolen from the people by Nemtsov and Kasyanov ("RPR-Parnas"), the very ones who nominated your beloved Analny as mayor candidates. And the ones who financed his campaign. Although, most likely, you have already thought about it.
        1. Joffrey
          Joffrey 15 September 2013 12: 55 New
          0
          Of course they stole and sold us all, but at least the attacks did not suit us.
    2. Sour
      Sour 13 September 2013 12: 40 New
      +3
      And you Navalny, as I understand it, you think a fighter for Russia? Or does Mr. Zhuchkovsky consider, and you only quote?
      Well, let's replace Magomedov with Nemtsov or Gozman - do you, as I understand it, like this? This is exactly what your Bulk wants.
      If anything, it was Nemtsov who pushed your Navalny to the fore. And behind him are the "heroes" of the 90s, under whom the people lived a hundred times worse than now. Including the Russian people. And then there was a "social sphere" ... pensioners were digging in garbage dumps. Nevertheless, all the ghouls of the 90s are now screaming about "oppression of the people." They would shut up, and shut up their Navalny.
      1. Warrawar
        Warrawar 14 September 2013 05: 41 New
        0
        I didn’t say anything about bulk, it’s just indicated in the article. And so the bulk is even better than any pedrosist, including Sobyanin. Although here, as they say, "both options are worse."
  3. Hort
    Hort 13 September 2013 07: 32 New
    +7
    Well, Creativity, Freedom and Spirituality are undoubtedly important things. But they should not be in the form of a national idea, but its moral and ethical component.
    In my opinion, the national idea should be more practical, but also global at the same time. For example - the development of Russian civilization and access to outer space. For, as Tsiolkovsky said, one cannot live forever in the cradle :)
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 13 September 2013 07: 38 New
      +8
      Quote: hort
      In my opinion, the national idea should be more practical, but also global at the same time. For example - the development of Russian civilization and access to outer space.

      Yes exactly. But not how, not the development of "Eurasian / racial" culture and "non-acquisitiveness" in the name of small nations.
      1. Hort
        Hort 13 September 2013 08: 39 New
        +4
        that's why I wrote - "Russian civilization". We may well go our own way, without looking back either to the West or to the East. Trade, cooperate in something - yes, but try to copy - no
      2. Joffrey
        Joffrey 15 September 2013 12: 56 New
        +1
        Our thoughts converge. good
  4. Ross
    Ross 13 September 2013 07: 40 New
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    Why is the movie Brother and Brother 2 so popular with us? Yes, because our national idea is clearly expressed there - to live in good conscience! You can how you want to be enriched, but you break the law of conscience - and in America we will find and punish. For thousands of years, our ancestors lived by such a law.
  5. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 13 September 2013 07: 44 New
    +9
    Justice - that’s what it’s not like in Russia without. Russian feels injustice very sharply, hence all the revolutions, riots, etc.
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 13 September 2013 07: 58 New
      +4
      Quote: FC Skiff
      Justice - that’s what it’s not like in Russia without. Russian feels injustice very sharply, hence all the revolutions, riots, etc.

      Justice, expressed not by specific material goods, but by some kind of subtle "metaphysical" substances, is nothing more than the flight of the state from the obligation to fulfill social obligations to its people. And nothing more ...
  6. a52333
    a52333 13 September 2013 07: 52 New
    +7
    The American idea of ​​a consumer society has not justified itself. Dead end. And we, it seems, have just begun to search.
    1. Vlad 1965
      Vlad 1965 13 September 2013 11: 10 New
      -1
      For that, they slipped us this little idea-LIBERALISM, we all feel the result of this.

      “Liberalism is a system of views according to which social harmony and human progress is achievable only on the basis of private property by ensuring sufficient freedom of the individual in the economy and in all other areas of human activity (for the common good allegedly spontaneously develops as a result of individuals pursuing their personal goals
      Accordingly, if we do not go into interrelations with the dictionary and grammar of the Russian language of freedom and permissiveness as objective phenomena in society, then in the worldview of some people on the basis of artificially introduced “words” “liberalism”, etc. the distinction between freedom and permissiveness as life phenomena disappears. Therefore, one of the symptoms of dishonesty, i.e. liberalism is a specific “love of the law”, expressing in absolutism under the circumstances (this requires conscience) the absolutization of the principle: “everything that is not prohibited by law is permissible”.
      As a result of these properties of liberalism, some part of freedom-lovers in some circumstances (sometimes deliberately artificially created) may lose the feeling of what is really happening and end up under the rule of unscrupulous "liberals", becoming an accomplice in crimes "
  7. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 13 September 2013 07: 55 New
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    Officials have found a national idea for the "people" ... I would call it nonsense, only for these "searches" appropriate structures have been created and the same people's money is being eaten up. Therefore, all these searches are the essence of waste and fraud.
    A national idea can be born in the heads of "leaders", but it becomes truly national only when it is generated by society. And our society is not yet capable of formulating a national idea. I think another 15 years.
    And one more thing: try to live yourself "freely, creatively and spiritually (the main thing is spiritually), try to live according to conscience, according to justice. Not locally, within the framework of the" kitchen ", but in society. And the whole idea will end there.
    1. Alex66
      Alex66 13 September 2013 12: 23 New
      +3
      Quote: serge-68-68
      And our society is not yet able to formulate a national idea. I think another 15 years.

      This is not able for officials, for the people this idea has always been a life of conscience, i.e. fair. Where did the Russian emigrants get homesick, because only our conscience is recognized above the law. And if the law is against conscience, then more often we will act according to conscience. Without consent with our conscience, we will always be missing something. True, now everything is changing a lot and we are trying to find what we have not lost yet (those who lost it are looking for an idea (conscience)).
      1. serge-68-68
        serge-68-68 13 September 2013 12: 31 New
        +3
        There is no such thing as "people". As a rule, it is used as an integral part of some ideologeme, some politician. For example: "the entire Soviet people in a single impulse ...", or "the people demand ..." or "the Russian people lived according to their conscience." It seems like "all the people" live according to their conscience, but you start to understand - neither the people, nor the conscience ...
  8. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 13 September 2013 07: 59 New
    +5
    What kind of "freedom of the Russian people"? The life of a person in any association (state, principality, community) is subject to certain restrictions and rules (laws). The author calls for the anarchy of the Russian people? Who benefits from this?
    1. Hort
      Hort 13 September 2013 08: 42 New
      +3
      Well, as Grigory Melekhov said in "Quiet Don": -Will? Will is not necessary, otherwise they will start cutting each other on the streets.

      Although it was received in the 90s
      1. Vlad 1965
        Vlad 1965 13 September 2013 11: 13 New
        0
        Well, perhaps, in fact, it is worth taking Russian liberalism in this way, as a medical diagnosis?
        IF to understand that we were slipped at 90, as an "IDEAS"
        Judging by what has been happening in our country since the beginning of the notorious "perestroika", this point of view is not devoid of meaning.
        Of course, this does not apply to those who, during the years of "reforms", amassing fortunes by plundering state property.
        These gentlemen go through a completely different department.
        We are talking about "ideological" liberals who act unselfishly, but from this they pose no less threat to society.
        Is it time to send for orderlies?
    2. Normal
      Normal 13 September 2013 11: 02 New
      +1
      Quote: a.hamster55
      . The author calls for anarchy of the Russian people? Who benefits from this?


      What do you mean by the word anarchy?

      Anarchy argues that society can and should be organized without the use of power. For this, anarchism defines the following necessary principles:

      Freedom is the ability and ability to exercise one’s will. Freedom involves initiative (impulse to action) and responsibility (obligation to answer) for one’s actions and their results, consequences. An imperious relationship is always accompanied by a violation of the freedom of the subject, since the subject in this case does not exercise his will, and therefore is not a source of initiative and is fully responsible. Recognition of the inviolability of human freedom means the impossibility of applying power to him, coercive measures and violence, and as a result transfer to him all initiative and responsibility for his actions and actions.

      Equality - equality (equal value), equality (equal rights) of all people. The essence of this concept is not that all people are identical, equal in quality, virtue, but that they all embody the same principle of humanity. Equality means that we all, each of us is a human being, and has the same rights to life as everyone else. The recognition of equality is necessary and means the recognition of the ability of each person to realize the imperious impulse, and as a result excludes the imposition of the will of one subject on other subjects, motivated by the inferiority of the latter. From psychology it is known that a person is not able to exploit those whom he recognizes as equal to himself.

      Mutual assistance (cooperation) is a voluntary association of personal abilities of different people to achieve a common goal for each of them. Collective interaction is a shorter way to achieve the desired result with the least possible effort. It is known that interaction and labor achieve the greatest efficiency and quality when there is a personal interest in each participant. Since coercion of power does not imply personal interest of the subjects, it leads to inefficiency and conflict. At the same time, cooperation initially means everyone's personal interest in achieving the goal. Therefore, anarchy rejects power as an ineffective and harmful tool, unsuitable for the organization of society, offering to replace it with more effective and conflict-free mutual assistance, cooperation.

      Thus, the difference between anarchism and other systems lies in the rejection of power as a tool for organizing society.
      State systems claim that any society needs to be managed, coordinated by the activities of different people and social groups through power, in which coordination of the joint activities of many people is achieved by subordinating them to a single governing principle; by determining the dominant value of the will of some people (subjects of power) for the will of other people (objects of power).
      Anarchism claims that the use of power, the imposition of the will of one another, is not permissible and society should be organized exclusively through free cooperation, mutual assistance and personal interest, i.e. through free will.

      An anarchist is a person who recognizes the equality and freedom of each person, and does not accept himself and considers it unacceptable for others to use power and coercion as an instrument for organizing society.

      http://rus.anarchopedia.org/Анархия

      The devil is not so terrible as he is painted.
  9. KOH
    KOH 13 September 2013 08: 12 New
    +4
    The national idea, it seems to me to regain the leading position of the USSR, RUSSIA ...
  10. explorer
    explorer 13 September 2013 08: 12 New
    +1
    Quote: FC Skif
    Americans still celebrate Thanksgiving. What is the meaning of this holiday? The first settlers after a hungry winter unexpectedly received a rich harvest. In gratitude for it, they established this Day, which has been celebrated as a public holiday since Washington. Free labor on free land is the ideal.

    In my opinion, not everything is so beautiful. I watched their film, where the historical fact was investigated: "the settlers in the hungry winter, covered in the snow, they were forced to eat the dead from hunger and cold" (though this was only in the first winter, as the commentator emphasized).
    So it’s quite possible the idea is to work so that others would not eat you like a turkey.
  11. Urrry
    Urrry 13 September 2013 08: 21 New
    +1
    "freedom of creativity" versus "freedom of labor"? :)
    Although I agree, "freedom of creativity" is already a more intelligible idea than previously proposed ...
    Can add more? For example, "Freedom of creativity, knowledge and spirit" - well, to emphasize that Russia is betting incl. and science - this would harmoniously lead to the idea of ​​"the country of engineers and thinkers". And messianism would translate into a humane channel: Russia is ready to lead humanity into the future through scientific and technological progress, has the ability and desire to lead this path (fortunately, there are still reserves for this today)
  12. saag
    saag 13 September 2013 08: 25 New
    +8
    Officials should not be allowed to develop a national idea, because the officials are a pyramid looking up at the Pyramid Peak and being wary of doing anything that may not please their superiors and lead to being removed from the trough. Too often the word "Freedom" is mentioned, I understand this as such a carrot with which you can lead an overly impressionable mass of the electorate in the direction needed by officials, do not get fooled by this, people, you are not slaves whose primary goal is freedom, with stories about freedom and independence were already fed in the early 90s, the goal should be like building a society of a new type, because what now is more like a consumer society. The goal should be developed from below.
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 13 September 2013 09: 08 New
      10
      Quote: saag
      Officials should not be allowed to develop a national idea

      good
      Quote: saag
      Too often the word "Freedom

      "... Real freedom exists only where exploitation is abolished, where there is no oppression of some people by others, where there is no unemployment and poverty, where a person does not tremble because tomorrow he may lose his job, home, bread. Only in such a society is it possible real, not paper, personal and any other freedom. "(I. Stalin)
      And from myself: And it is only in such a society that the formation of a real national idea is possible, for everything else will be only a veiled propaganda of enrichment, inequality and exploitation.
  13. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 13 September 2013 08: 25 New
    +5
    not to have something, but to be someone in life

    Without something you can only be homeless. The national idea could be the revival of culture, the development of the country for the benefit of the people, but, alas, development is for the benefit of a pitiful bunch of oligarchs, and culture and education are being actively destroyed. While there are no shifts in these areas, the national idea can be forgotten.
  14. saag
    saag 13 September 2013 08: 32 New
    0
    Quote: Mikhail M
    you can forget about the national idea

    That you are in vain, do not forget about it, you need to develop it, improve it no matter what, its time will come
  15. Wedmak
    Wedmak 13 September 2013 09: 04 New
    0
    What is this talking about? That the national idea is not a code of ethics, but a formula of freedom.

    So maybe you need to start with a code of ethics? And the idea will come based on it? After the collapse of the USSR, did we have a code of ethics or something like that at the state level? Did not have. There were concepts. And they lived according to concepts. Some still live like this. For now, to refuse this and accept some basis - whether it will be a code or a law, is not important. Therefore...
    The concept came out from under the pen of the officials, which suggests that maintaining the health of every citizen is a contribution “to the general gene pool of the Nation,” serving the Fatherland is “the highest reference point for a citizen,” business should become “environmentally friendly and socially oriented,” and indeed Russians it is worth reconsidering your priorities and putting “spiritual over material”.

    I fully support. Only it is necessary to arrange and submit all this correctly. And do not juggle that the spiritual over the material is the poverty of someone sitting in a church / mosque. Everything should be in moderation.
  16. Bigriver
    Bigriver 13 September 2013 09: 10 New
    +1
    Slammed a minus article without any doubt.
    The author drags the reader into the world of individual values. Why not directly say - but let's do it like in Europe and ask for help in the EU?
    Meanwhile, on a special code of ethics the Russian land has been and still is held.
    I unconditionally agree with what the author opposes:
    “To realize the historical mission of Russia as a translator of justice and creation, support and support for hundreds of large and small nations around the world”
    In a world where everyone is pulling the "blanket" over themselves, there must be someone who proposes the rules of the game and laws that suit everyone.
    The prospect of Russia, I think, is in this role of an inter-civilization communicator.
    hi
    1. Vlad 1965
      Vlad 1965 13 September 2013 11: 18 New
      +1
      "The author drags the reader into the world of individual values. Why not say directly - and let's do it like in Europe and ask for the EU?"
      Meanwhile, on a special code of ethics, the Russian land took place and still holds. "- ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH YOU,

      For liberalism, duplicity is immanently inherent.

      1. Liberals always stand for freedom - but not for any freedom, but only one that does not interfere with liberalism. Otherwise, they become extreme totalitarianists on the move - to the prison of all opponents of freedom! And, most importantly, the claimed supremacy of freedom in their system is fiction.

      2. In liberals, an individual is never regarded by himself as a separate person. Private property is always attached to this - even if it actually does not exist, it is simply equated to a negligible amount, and "theoretically" it is still there.

      3. A person for a liberal is not a thinking and feeling individual, but only a subject who has the right to own something and realizes this right.

      4. It is important to understand that private property is not at all a category of relationship between an individual and an object. If there are no other people, then what is the significance of whether something belongs legally to the entity or not?
      5. Private property is exactly that category of relations between people! If something is mine, then I can not just use it, I allow or do not allow it to be used by others. It is impossible for the object itself to prohibit / allow anything - it is just a tool. Private property is always a restriction on the freedom of others! Important: this is not about personal property, but about private property - and what is not required [in a significant amount, at least] to have in personal. The same notorious means of production, for example.
      6. Liberalism is consistently opposed to nationalism: liberalism needs the whole world as a trading market and a source of resources, and the population - only as consumers, and for disguise - as an electorate.

      7. Liberalism is consistently opposed to socialism: liberalism against paternalism and for social Darwinism.

      8. Today, when, with the help of the liberal revolution of the early 90s, overt anti-national forces seized power in Russia, liberalism should be understood as a belief system that protects bandits, fraudsters, traitors, perverts from the negative attitude of the population. Liberalism defends the freedom of oligarchs and officials to rob and deceive, while ignoring the human rights of workers to defend their interests.
      1. Bigriver
        Bigriver 13 September 2013 12: 55 New
        +1
        Quote: Vlad 1965
        ... ABSOLUTELY AGREE TO YOU,
        For a liberal, a person is not a thinking and feeling individual, but only a subject who has the right to own something and realizes this right ...

        hi
        Sincerely.
  17. vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 13 September 2013 09: 16 New
    +4
    Russians are a nation of engineers and writers. Russian realizes his freedom in the process of intellectual creativity. That is why the intelligentsia had such a high status in Russia, that is, a stratum of people engaged in precisely “smart work”, creativity. Ideally, all citizens of Russia should belong to the intelligentsia understood in this way.

    And while we have people in the highest echelons of power with "mercenary and corrupt" thinking and all their opuses - attempts to "let off steam" do not lead to anything good, each official thinks only about his own pocket. There is no need to look far for an example: the reaction of the Russian Railways monopoly to the government's decision to freeze tariffs for 2014 (up to the mass dismissal of its employees). Due to the reforms at the Russian Railways, it became cheaper to carry out even long-distance transportation on the roads. What did the country gain for the sake of private ambitions in transport? Local routes are shortened, and sometimes completely removed. Small aircraft disappears. Large and small enterprises
    artificially bankrupt or, at the suggestion of officials, are sold for a penny. And all this is done under the motto "profitability" (or is it being done according to someone else's plan?) For some reason (the witness himself) abroad (for example, in Norway) retain routes between remote settlements, although this is not entirely cost-effective To implement the Russian idea, one must start reform all levels of power, starting with the highest.
    1. military
      military 13 September 2013 12: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: vlad.svargin
      And all this is done under the motto of "profitability" (or is it done according to someone else's plan?)

      there is only one plan in the country ... one that "... is in action!" ...
    2. Bigriver
      Bigriver 13 September 2013 17: 24 New
      0
      Quote: vlad.svargin

      And while we have people in the highest echelons of power with "mercenary and corrupt" thinking and all their opuses - attempts to "let off steam" do not lead to anything good, each official thinks only about his own pocket. There is no need to look far for an example: the reaction of the Russian Railways monopoly to the government's decision to freeze tariffs for 2014 (up to the mass dismissal of its employees). Due to the reforms at the Russian Railways, it became cheaper to carry out even long-distance transportation on the roads. What did the country gain for the sake of private ambitions in transport? Local routes are shortened, and sometimes completely removed. Small aircraft disappears. Large and small enterprises
      artificially bankrupt or, at the suggestion of officials, are sold for a penny. And all this is done under the motto "profitability" (or is it being done according to someone else's plan?) For some reason (the witness himself) abroad (for example, in Norway) retain routes between remote settlements, although this is not entirely cost-effective To implement the Russian idea, one must start reform all levels of power, starting with the highest.

      I made a long selection of what you said.
      And why do NORWAY maintain routes between distant settlements?
      Between: Magadan and Yakutsk - these are distant settlements :?
      And between Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk - Krasnoyarsk?
      Of course, private interests become an obstacle to the development of the state. Have you just now "seen the light"? In the 90s, didn't you hope for the "invisible hand of the market"?
  18. michajlo
    michajlo 13 September 2013 09: 25 New
    0
    Quote: Michael m Today, 08:25
    not to have something, but to be someone in life

    Without something you can only be homeless. National the idea could be the revival of culture, the development of the country for the benefit of the people, but, alas, development is for the benefit of a pitiful bunch of oligarchs, and culture and education are being actively destroyed. While there are no shifts in these areas, you can forget about the national idea.

    Good morning dear Michael! Totally agree with you. good
    Let me add on my own. From above, thoughts similar in content from other members of the forum sounded, i.e. we understand the IMPORTANCE of this topic, there is much more than the participants expressed. Soviet people are inherent to us like friendship, mutual assistance, respect for elders, help for the little, weak, sick and old people - We are very favorably distinguished from the COLD CLEARING West, we need to keep and restore it.
    It doesn't matter how we PEOPLE (not well-fed and arrogant officials), nLet's call OUR GENERAL IDEA!
    The main thing that it was content that brings us all together! good
    And for such a good and NECESSARY business, we all need to do more and never need so many words.
    1. chushoj
      chushoj 13 September 2013 15: 11 New
      0
      Good day. Popular understanding has always been associated with the history and pride of the Slavs. But in practice it turned out over time that people first went to the ideologist themselves with their injustices, but now it’s obvious that the COUNCIL should decide and not the influential figure / everyone understood / and the ideologist should not get the salary from the hands of the head of the organization, Or the COUNCIL.
      read the meaning
      In the most general sense, ideology is a system of goals, values, programs of political, economic and social development, reflecting the interests of certain layers, parties, states, international organizations.
      Aware of their interests, people unite in public or political organizations, in a certain way participate in elections and referenda. It is impossible to imagine a political party or a political leader who does not offer any development program and does not claim to be supported by citizens. A state in which there are no generally accepted rules and principles of political, economic and social life, there are no programs for the development of specific areas that determine economic, social, political development and foreign policy simply cannot exist.
      The ideology of the Belarusian state is the goals, objectives and principles of the Belarusian path of social development, systematized and legally enshrined in the Republic of Belarus.
      The subject of the discipline "Fundamentals of the ideology of the Belarusian state" are the features of the Belarusian path of social, economic and political development.
      The purpose of the discipline: to promote the affirmation of citizenship, a conscious attitude of citizens towards the processes taking place in society and the state, the development of an active life position, which is especially important for highly qualified specialists who form the basis of leadership in the production or provision of services.
  19. saag
    saag 13 September 2013 09: 37 New
    +1
    Quote: baltika-18
    "... Real freedom exists only where exploitation is abolished, where there is no oppression of some people by others, where there is no unemployment and poverty, where a person does not tremble because tomorrow he may lose his job, home, bread. Only in such a society is it possible real, not paper, personal and any other freedom. "(I. Stalin)
    And from myself: And it is only in such a society that the formation of a real national idea is possible, for everything else will be only a veiled propaganda of enrichment, inequality and exploitation.

    In my opinion, thanks to the idea, they become free, but not the other way around, because a person who has become free will not come up with an idea, since he achieved his goal and became free
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 13 September 2013 10: 11 New
      +2
      Quote: saag
      In my opinion, thanks to the idea, they become free, but not vice versa

      You are wrong. These things are interconnected, and it is not serious to consider the primacy of one over the other. Development in aggregate. Everything else is thought of as a debate about who the chicken or the egg used to be.
  20. Sergeant
    Sergeant 13 September 2013 09: 51 New
    +2
    Quote: Michael m

    Without something you can only be homeless. The national idea could be the revival of culture, the development of the country for the benefit of the people ...


    Somehow contradictory: what about reviving, developing on what "shih-shi"? To pay with the holy spirit for everything? Is this "salary" interesting to someone?

    In the country there is private capital and the overshadowing Cult of Money. To become "cool", rich and independent (in terms of money) is the goal of many "rasiyans". Success in Russian international politics is interesting, but "business-to-business" (for yourself) ...
    Not many, however, rich patriots are observed, if they still exist (or may be) .. Even for the reconstruction of the Far East after the flood, they begin to rip off the population (ALREADY), forcing them to transfer money (earnings, or part of the earnings) .. And the "moneybags" what for? To receive monstrous profits and "dive" from behind the hill? What nah..will be patriotism? Again they play on the "latitude" of the soul of the common Russian people ... It's a shame ..
  21. understudy
    understudy 13 September 2013 10: 02 New
    +4
    The following words of the Russian Emperor Alexander Sh are relatively reliably known: "Russia must belong to the Russians, and everyone who lives on this earth must respect and value this people."
    About Dostoevsky, Mendeleev, Lomonosov, Stolypin and other classics I am afraid to mention - "crying" for them 282 article ... recourse
    At the same time, here it is a national idea, all on the surface, and nothing needs to be invented.
    However, there is another opinion - "Russia for the Russians - they say or provocateurs!"
    1. chushoj
      chushoj 13 September 2013 10: 22 New
      0
      So this is the most important question. After the introduction of provocateurs into the ruling party, a smooth transition of the national idea to the purchase and sale of pants will begin. After all, they can sincerely bring the boss a night pot for the present, and pour this pot on his head when the boss is removed from office.
      1. military
        military 13 September 2013 12: 14 New
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        Quote: chushoj
        After introducing provocateurs into the ruling party

        ... she will become a party of provocateurs yes or already become ... whatand for such a party, the "national idea" is vital ...
  22. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 13 September 2013 10: 12 New
    +3
    Articles about the search for a national idea in Russia are simply touching.
    Some kind of continuous cretinism from obvious nonsense and cliches.
    The Jews have a national idea, the survival of the people. Orthodoxy adds confidence in God's chosen people, but this already smacks of schizophrenia. The Americans have a national idea, enrichment, and a little God's chosenness from the same opera. The national idea is what people remember when they think, and why are we here in a nation.
    To think about what the authors offer personally, I will only be for the money.
    First of all, you need to understand what goals people are interested in. Personally, as a member of a nation, I am interested in the following. Live peacefully. Enjoy sincere respect from your neighbors. Enemies must be afraid. So that a lifestyle other than mine would not be imposed on me, gradually grow rich. This can be described as follows. Independence. Justice. Readiness for war. Trade.
  23. Denga
    Denga 13 September 2013 10: 14 New
    +3
    From the tales of freedom, the collapse of the USSR began, I think that the second time people will not step on this rake
  24. agbykov
    agbykov 13 September 2013 10: 20 New
    +2
    We know today how European Americans then "thanked" the Indians ...

    From Wikipedia: "This holiday is rooted in the depths of American history, to the very first immigrants from England who arrived on the shores of America in 1620 on the now famous ship Mayflower. They landed after a hard sailing on a stormy ocean in what is now frosty Massachusetts. November afternoon and founded the Plymouth Colony.

    More than half of the approximately one hundred arrivals could not survive the harsh winter and died from cold, hunger and disease. The survivors founded a colony and in the spring, with the help of local Indians, primarily Squanto, who taught them what crops and how to grow on this inhospitable rocky soil, they began to cultivate the land. An unexpectedly rich harvest was a reward for their efforts. The first governor of the colonists, W. Bradford, proposed spending a day of bringing thanks to the Lord. On a holiday in the fall of 1621, the Pilgrim Fathers invited the leader and another 90 Indians of the tribe that helped them survive in unfamiliar conditions. This meal, shared with the Indians, was the first Thanksgiving celebration. "
  25. saag
    saag 13 September 2013 10: 21 New
    0
    Quote: baltika-18
    You are wrong. These things are interconnected, and it is not serious to consider the primacy of one over the other. Development in aggregate. Everything else is thought of as a debate about who the chicken or the egg used to be.

    Well, why am I wrong, and I don’t need to invent anything, let’s turn to history — the Bolsheviks came and took power thanks to the idea of ​​communism, and then they built a state that was not reverse
  26. understudy
    understudy 13 September 2013 10: 21 New
    +1
    .
    Quote: vlad.svargin
    Local routes are shortened, and sometimes completely removed. Small aircraft disappear. Large and small enterprises are artificially bankrupt or, at the suggestion of officials, are sold for a penny. And all this is done under the motto "profitability" (or is it done according to someone else's plan?)

    ________________________
    And here is the answer. An irresistible trend, however.

    Over the coming decades, the number of small and medium-sized cities in Russia will be steadily declining. Their able-bodied population will gradually move to large industrial and financial centers. This forecast was made by the Minister of Economic Development of the country Elvira Nabiullina.
    The head of the Ministry of Economic Development noted that it is unlikely that they will be able to maintain the viability of all small and medium-sized cities. Their disappearance from the map of Russia is an irresistible global trend that can be slowed down but not reversed. Nabiullina spoke about this at the Moscow International Urban Forum
  27. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 13 September 2013 10: 23 New
    +1
    The national idea, as the direction of the state’s life, is absolutely necessary. This is IDEOLOGY.
    To say that the ideology of the United States is the idea of ​​a society of equal opportunities is an oversimplified interpretation. Everything is more serious there, starting from the "founding fathers", etc., including positioning oneself in the world.
    In the USSR there was an ideology, very effective, up to a certain time. This is a separate and huge topic.
    Then we allowed "common people" to fool our people with de-ideologization, anti-Sovietism and rampant debauchery, consumerism, etc.
    A little more and all this will spread the country completely. What is required by the general people.
    So ideology is needed, like air. Just do not snot about holy Russia and do not cry for freedom (from whom, from what?).
    I am not a generator of ideas to offer something serious. But, I hope that such will be found in a timely manner.
  28. chushoj
    chushoj 13 September 2013 10: 24 New
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    Who is interested in the issue, I can send documents on the national idea of ​​the Republic of Belarus. And an explanation of the consequences.
  29. saag
    saag 13 September 2013 10: 27 New
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    Quote: chushoj
    Who is interested in the issue, I can send documents on the national idea of ​​the Republic of Belarus. And an explanation of the consequences.

    And in short, can you hear about her?
    1. chushoj
      chushoj 13 September 2013 14: 58 New
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      Lukashenko appointed Myasnikovich to an elective position at the Academy of Sciences. These documents were created under his leadership. After that, deputy directors for ideological work were appointed to each enterprise. At the moment, in the paramilitary institutions for 4 years they give higher education in ideological work. A transition period like amateur firefighters to the Ministry of Emergencies. Under this counter, sages began to write history that Belarusians are from the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. In this sphere, about the same as yours in the ruling party "United Russia" with all the consequences have climbed.
      The package of documents itself is, but in a nutshell this is not possible.
  30. Jack122
    Jack122 13 September 2013 10: 31 New
    +3
    support for hundreds of large and small nations around the world
    ----
    Gorgeous: the Russian people are in an extremely difficult situation, in fact, on the verge of extinction: they would pull themselves out of the grave and put things in order, no. We are responsible people, we must wipe our ass off by the small people of the world, otherwise they will be squandered without us. What kind of nonsense is this?) Small nations are not able to develop and live without support? Why should we help them? All whom Russia helps with a brazen face are sitting on her neck and soaping the skis on occasion. I agree to live and support Russian people and small peoples of Russia, the rest is not in our jurisdiction. But I’m ready to send a couple of things to an African woman so that she stops giving birth like a sow to ever-starving children, is that support after all? Or do you need to shoulder all the problems of the world? The Russian people have a margin of safety, everyone can help the navel loose. After the 20th century, you need to focus on restoring the gene pool of the Russian nation and raising a healthy generation of children. Small nations will kill themselves. Although not: let the blacks return Soviet debts tongue
  31. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 13 September 2013 10: 33 New
    +2
    The whole opus comes down to one thing: I want to be free and rich. This is the key to spirituality. I am amazed at people. Where did man in America see freedom? not understand how many rich and poor in america?
    And then how much can I repeat, why did someone come up with the idea that only Russians can be honest, decent, spiritual, a hundred percent guarantee that as soon as the Russians become the basis of power and the state, the rest of the nation will immediately become second-rate. Idealizing Russians is an empty and pre-losing occupation. First you need to educate a decent person, but where have you seen such an upbringing? Especially now when the main goal of life is to get rich.
    1. Vlad 1965
      Vlad 1965 13 September 2013 11: 20 New
      +4
      I have long been inclined to the idea that liberalism is the forerunner of schizophrenia. Somehow they are very similar.
  32. saag
    saag 13 September 2013 10: 38 New
    +2
    Quote: vladsolo56
    The whole opus comes down to one thing: I want to be free and rich.

    The whole matter is somewhat deeper than the rich, we will not be richer as a result of our actions, namely the emphasis on the individual, the cult of individualism, the man-to-man friend, comrade and the wolf, when the personal begins to prevail over the public then systems die, because before them already no one cares, begins to play the role of "your shirt is closer to the body"
    1. Vlad 1965
      Vlad 1965 13 September 2013 11: 18 New
      +1
      Liberalism is the ideology most harmful to Russia. There are two kinds of citizens who call themselves liberals:

      1. The first are cosmopolitans, champions of tolerance and multiculturalism. They are glad to all foreigners indiscriminately, bless guest workers and almost consider the non-white color of the skin a universal indulgence.

      2. The second is exactly the opposite: they declare that liberalism is not for everyone, but only for whites, for Europeans, and let others vegetate in darkness and poverty. And even among whites, some are more equal than others.
  33. Aleksandr
    Aleksandr 13 September 2013 11: 32 New
    +1
    Power and Well-being is our motto
  34. Neo1982
    Neo1982 13 September 2013 11: 33 New
    +3
    First of all, Russia needs the sovereignty that it lost in 1991, and then we’ll figure it out
  35. Ross
    Ross 13 September 2013 11: 42 New
    +1
    Quote: a52333
    The American idea of ​​a consumer society has not justified itself. Dead end. And we, it seems, have just begun to search.


    Because we live without a past. For a long time already, for centuries our value system has developed.
    1. alex-pav
      alex-pav 13 September 2013 15: 32 New
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      The American idea is a dream of being free and rich, which not everyone comes true ... (sorry for those naive who seek to get behind this).

      Our people always had other values ​​- justice, spirituality, social equality (family values, freedom of choice, creativity, equal opportunities for everyone, confidence in the future). And there will always be a rejection of all LGBT people and other heresies actively planted in the west.

      And all this should be associated with the state, then people will have a desire to live and develop in this country, and others will have a desire to move to permanent residence in Russia (I do not mean temporary workers and other migrant workers).
      Everyone should feel that the state (the entire state apparatus) works for you (gives you protection and all the opportunities for life and development), and not you owe anything to the state-woo.
      When it happens, when a person is confident in his state, and does not think that it is using it, then the state can count on a person in difficult times (you can ask our grandfathers and great-grandfathers who are left with this. ..).
  36. Ross
    Ross 13 September 2013 11: 50 New
    +2
    Quote: hort
    Well, Creativity, Freedom and Spirituality are undoubtedly important things. But they should not be in the form of a national idea, but its moral and ethical component.
    In my opinion, the national idea should be more practical, but also global at the same time. For example - the development of Russian civilization and access to outer space. For, as Tsiolkovsky said, one cannot live forever in the cradle :)


    The essence of the American idea is individualism. Man, with all his sometimes foolishness and selfishness, is more important than a society-country. And our long-suffering many centuries-old idea of ​​collectivism. Together we are always strength. Human egoism should be under the control of society, then homosexuality and other vices will not leak into the elite of our society.
  37. erased
    erased 13 September 2013 12: 29 New
    +1
    The only national idea is now just to survive. In the conditions of total corruption, open gangsterism by the police, a collapsed industry, many times higher prices for housing, transportation, food. Survive here or somewhere else. The Russian people are actually sandwiched between enemies. These are power bureaucrats, and crime and external enemies of the country and the corrupt police. Unsuccessful movement - and you are either a corpse, or a prisoner, or a beggar.
    But the authorities write off debts to Cyprus, give loans to other countries, profit from oil and gas, and throw leftovers to people from the lordly table. That's how we live, fun and provocatively. Meanwhile, the Russian population is declining every year. And this is certainly not our idea. And whose?
    1. Massik
      Massik 13 September 2013 13: 17 New
      -1
      In conditions of total corruption, open gangsterism on the part of the police, a collapsed industry, many times higher prices for housing, transport, food
      I somehow don't notice until now, maybe I'm just lucky, or maybe I'm not trying to jump over my head - at the local level, I haven't met corruption yet; 1e is completely nonsense with today's proliferation of recording devices, it is quite possible to arrange a sweet life for anyone " a bandit "policeman, if he so desires; I just don’t contact 2, but not one plant has yet been closed in the city, so it’s difficult to judge; 3e the cost of an average house in our village is about 4-300 thousand rubles, which is not so much, the cost of an inexpensive used car is 600- 50 thousand rubles, the price of provisions is quite low within 70-5 thousand rubles per person per month. Considering that the village is located 7 km from the city where it is quite possible to find work for 40-15 thousand rubles, it is quite possible to live, even pretty well. Another thing is if you just do not want to move and you cannot do without some amenities, then you really have to survive.
    2. goldfinger
      goldfinger 13 September 2013 14: 27 New
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      A look from Minsk. Judging by the controversy in the media (including the Internet) in all the troubles of Russia, they are to blame for the lack of a Russian idea,
      as always Jews. And all lack of spirituality is from them. In general, the names of many non-Jews, Russians, who have "heaps of money" and "mountains of gold," as the forum member Natalia put it, are known. And in Russia there are only 156000 of them, Jews. 0,11% of the total population. I don’t think there will be enough of them for all the "bread places", for all the institutions of power in Russia. And, at the same time, there is no such monetary stratification as in Russia anywhere in the world. Maybe apart from African tribes. And your, say, "Russian idea" is sharply at odds with the "Russian idea" of the Ozero cooperative - the "overseer" of the country.
      There are 7 million Russians living in the United States, a whole country, but I think that most of them left just for the American idea-dream, to become richer. After all, people are not cut out of the same logs, like Pinocchio, and their dreams are therefore different. And, unfortunately, we were already pushed by the "iron hand" into the "Marxist idea", into the "state of universal happiness, and one Bolshevik idea." As Confucius said, "let a thousand flowers bloom."
      1. Sour
        Sour 13 September 2013 16: 32 New
        -2
        You there first solve your problems. And the fact that Belarus is heavily indebted is nonsense. Even if he doesn’t take a dollar more (which is doubtful), then he won’t pay for a hundred years. Because there is nothing.
        You have there, according to Confucius, thousands of flowers bloom, and for some reason all with a portrait of your mustachioed Fuhrer. "Deputy Director for Ideological Work" - no Confucius foresaw such a flower. Even in the USSR, this was not the case, except perhaps the party organizer of the enterprise.
        When you understand your "colors", then it will be interesting to listen to you. You'd better be quiet now.
        "And, at the same time, there is no such monetary stratification as in Russia anywhere in the world " Well, if you know the world so well ... There are at least a lot of oligarchs in Russia, and you have one - dad Lukas. Absolutely incredible social stratification - one person privatized the country, under the approval of the population. The whole population is a servant of the one and only, this is a record of social stratification. Simply, many sniffed at shit, and they did not notice him.
  38. kush62
    kush62 13 September 2013 12: 57 New
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    The Russian people are actually sandwiched between enemies. These are power bureaucrats, and crime and external enemies of the country and the corrupt police.

    And how did you know that they are not all Russian? Is there really not a single Russian among officials, police, and crime?
  39. Volkhov
    Volkhov 13 September 2013 13: 27 New
    +1
    If the Zionist government offers freedom to the Russian people, then a military genocide "for freedom" is ready.
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  41. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 13 September 2013 14: 43 New
    +3
    There is no need to look for an idea in Russia, let alone create it; it (a program) at the genetic level is embedded in the soul of every Russian person. Russia has always followed its own isolated path (difficult and bloody) and we believe that "She will come a star of captivating happiness ..." And no one will lead us off this path (many have tried in our history ..) Mysterious Russian soul however !! ! That's what I wanted to say ..
  42. Echo
    Echo 13 September 2013 14: 50 New
    -4
    Honestly, it looks like the author of the article has written, written, talked, and it’s not clear what he led to.

    There was no attempt to decide what it means to be Russian and who are such Russians in general. But we are not just nationality, we are Russian Civilization, superethnos, and the borders of Russian Civilization are not limited to the current borders of the Russian Federation! Directly the Russian Federation, Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan - all this is the territory of our civilization.

    There was no attempt to formulate the Russian idea according to the thesis, but there are formulations, a very large number of Russian thinkers worked on this. If you can’t formulate it in your own words, then why not take the wording of the Russian Cosmists, Slavophiles, for example, and disassemble them in detail in the context of current realities, especially since now it is more relevant than ever! They are destroying Ukraine, we are present at the disgusting act of dismembering and killing part of our civilization alive, and the author rants about Russia alone.

    In general - not ice.
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 13 September 2013 19: 03 New
      +2
      Kazakhs are not "Russian civilization". Yes, our history and culture are closely intertwined, but the wording "Russian civilization", stretched over the Asian face of the face, makes you want to bang on the head of someone who says such things.

      Name "Eurasian civilization", "Turkic-Slavic" / "Slavic-Turkic
  43. pensioner
    pensioner 13 September 2013 15: 30 New
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    Quote: Echo
    “I am an intellectual,” they began to say.
    Mikhalkov in such cases says: "I am an aristocrat!"
  44. chushoj
    chushoj 13 September 2013 15: 53 New
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    Young people need to be taught patriotism. Freedom must be in people.
    1. matross
      matross 13 September 2013 19: 30 New
      +1
      Quote: chushoj
      Young people need to be taught patriotism.

      In a bath with beer, but without heifers? This is not patriotism! This is g.o.myosyatina! laughing
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 14 September 2013 07: 10 New
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        With aphids, too, not patriotism, but bestiality.
  45. Savva30
    Savva30 13 September 2013 17: 16 New
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    Perhaps the ideal of an intellectual as a highly educated person engaged in creative work is the national idea of ​​our country. Tell Livanov that he is neighing over you ...
  46. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 13 September 2013 17: 32 New
    +3
    Americans still celebrate Thanksgiving. What is the meaning of this holiday? The first settlers after a hungry winter unexpectedly received a rich harvest. In gratitude for it, they established this Day, which has been celebrated as a public holiday since Washington. Free labor on free land is the ideal.

    It should be added that the Americans got the crop on the alien stolen land, taking arable land from the native inhabitants of America. They celebrate not free labor on free land, but successful robbery and profit from robbery and theft, this is their true ideal.

    All spoiled the preaching of slavery and poverty. They began to say that Russian spirituality is to live in hunger and cold, but to help other nations build communism. By the way, in the concept quoted by Izvestia there is this rotten idea. They began to say that Russians, unlike other nations, need neither wealth, nor well-being, nor freedom. Say, harnessed to the eternal yoke of the Russian only and must do that to pay for the celebration of life for others.

    Stupid Russophobian lies.
    In Russia and in the USSR, there was never a sermon on slavery and poverty; the basic principle of the USSR was fair pay for labor and the impossibility of parasitizing and exploiting man by man. They lived within their means and, if hungry greedy parasites from the West had not climbed, they would have lived much better.
    The Russian people have always been free, they never bent their backs before anyone and did not pay any holidays to anyone, but they also did not leave their neighbors and allies in trouble.
  47. repytw
    repytw 13 September 2013 18: 30 New
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    What is a national idea - an idea for a nation, for which: Russian or Russian (and there is one, and what it is). First, from this human swamp it is necessary to single out a group of active people who will combine the entire conglomerate into one cohesive detachment for one goal for all (identity), and then develop the idea of ​​how to achieve this goal. I do not specifically write which group it is (dominant nationality, party, class, religion). Today, what can unite us, already disconnected for 20 years, what is common between the Russian and the Chechen, the Muscovite and the Siberian, the Muslim and the Christian, rich and poor.
    The authorities do not want to recognize the Russian idea as the dominant one, unlike all the republics of the former USSR, fearing that this will cause extremism in the republics, tear Russia apart, curtail the influx of guest workers and curtail at least some kind of imaginary economic well-being.
    I believe that in Russia there is a majority (up to 80%) that forms a cultural, territorial identification - these are Russians, this must be recognized for a long time and the state should be made UNITARY as the first step, having divided the governors by the number, and not by nationality (maybe Governor-General) to appoint. Any national, religious extremism, even everyday, is equated with fascism and cut out by making Art. 282 of the Criminal Code is especially grave.
  48. GUSAR
    GUSAR 13 September 2013 19: 27 New
    +1
    Russia is a mono-ethnic state in which Russians live, and naturally many other wonderful nations (this is not irony)
    1. alone
      alone 13 September 2013 21: 11 New
      +1
      No. In general, a mono-ethnic state can be called a country where almost 100% of the representatives of one nation live. You have more than 100 peoples.
  49. Alexander 1958
    Alexander 1958 13 September 2013 19: 30 New
    +1
    One of the key points of the article, let's be free as in AMERICA and we will be happy! Will not be! If you try to surpass the enemy by copying him and recognizing his supremacy, you will never win. You don’t even have to fight, it is lost before it starts!
  50. serge
    serge 13 September 2013 20: 05 New
    +1
    "The end of the occupation, freedom of the Russian nation!"