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All-season basic outfit kit (WCF) put into production

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Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu at the end of August 2013, during a visit to the exhibition “Innovation Day of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation,” approved the use of field uniforms and included it in the state defense order. The new field uniform for military personnel has been called the “All-season Basic Uniform Kit” (WTU) and includes an 23 garment. According to the Minister of Defense of Russia, the main advantage of the presented form is the principle of multi-layeredness, thanks to which soldiers and officers of the Russian army can serve in all climatic zones of Russia under different weather conditions using the same set of uniforms.


All basic uniforms, including summer suit, short lightweight underwear, pants, cap and other elements are made of modern materials. At the same time, it easily fits into a specially designed bag for this purpose, in which it is very convenient to store and transport the kit. The representative of the manufacturer of JSC "BTK Group" Daria Borovleva noted that the first ready-made kits of the new generation were sent to the Russian army on July 7 2013. In the future, the form will begin to be delivered to the troops as part of the state defense order.

The company "BTK Group" is currently one of the leading enterprises of the domestic light industry. It was founded in 2005 year as a result of combining the capacities of St. Petersburg CJSC FOS-P and CJSC Trud. The main activity of this company is the creation and production of professional and classic men's clothing. The company's turnover for 2012 year amounted to 6,2 billion rubles. In April of the current year, OJSC “BTK Group” underwent a voluntary certification procedure and was included in the Federal Register of bona fide suppliers as a company that meets all the requirements of the state standard for quality of supply.

All-season basic outfit kit (WCF) put into production

Currently, JSC "BTK Group" is the largest supplier of uniforms for the Russian armed forces. The company also provided supplies of uniforms and footwear for the Victory Parade and comprehensive supplies for the Collective Rapid Reaction Force of the CSTO member states. Among other well-known clients of BTK Group are the largest domestic companies, ministries and departments: OJSC Russian Railways, OJSC Aeroflot - Russian Airlines, OJSC Gazprom Gas Distribution, Russia State Transport Company, Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation, Ministry internal affairs, etc.

The task of creating a set of uniforms of the new generation and the delivery of experimental samples to military units was assigned to the enterprise in September 2011 of the year. Throughout the entire 2012 year, an experienced VKBO was worn in the operating units of the Russian army. 8 military units that were in different climatic conditions — Central Russia, Siberia, and the Arctic — were selected for the test socks of the new uniform. A total of 500 experimental kits were supplied to military units. At the same time, the participation of specialists in testing was not limited to the manufacture and supply of sets of uniforms. They also conducted briefings on the rules of wearing new sets, were engaged in the preparation of special instructions with recommendations for wearing.

The main period of the test socks new field form lasted from January to April. All this time, servicemen kept special diaries, where they regularly recorded the results of using the new form, their impressions of socks, made comments and observations. Most of the comments related to individual elements of the form, for example, the length of the pants and jacket. On the basis of proposals received from servicemen, modifications were made to the design of the form. In particular, a warmed jacket was extended, as well as a summer suit jacket, to protect the back, the belt of warmed trousers was made higher, and internal waterproof pockets for storing various documents were also added.


The main feature of the new military field uniform is that it is multi-layered. This approach was first used in Russia for field uniforms of military personnel. Previously, this principle was used only in the manufacture of equipment for special purpose units. Immediately after the announcement and presentation of the new military uniform, journalists rushed to christen it “cabbage”. Since then, this definition has been fixed for her quite strongly.

22 August 2013 of the company "BTK Group" announced the launch in St. Petersburg of the serial production of field form new generation - VKBO. Earlier, uniforms had already been carried out at company sites located in the Leningrad Region (Boksitogorsk, Vsevolozhsk, Podporozhye). At present, they are fully focused on high-quality and timely execution of the order of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

"Kapusta" was developed by specialists of the company "BTK Group" by request and in close cooperation with the Ministry of Defense of Russia. The development of the field form was carried out using the laboratory base of expert and research institutes, as well as taking into account the advanced developments of the armies of the leading states of the world. In total, the WCF includes a 23 garment, including 3 pairs of shoes. The innovative feature of the basic outfit kit is the principle of layering. Combining 8 of different layers allows military personnel to use WTDCs both in the offseason and in winter in a wide temperature range from + 15˚C to -40˚С. The combination of layers may vary depending on weather conditions, the climate zone, as well as the intensity of physical exertion experienced by soldiers and officers. For air temperature from + 15˚С a special summer field suit is provided.


During the whole of last year, new-form kits were tested in the subdivisions of the RF Ministry of Defense located in different regions of the country under conditions of actual service. According to the results of this experimental socks, as well as taking into account the wishes of servicemen, a number of changes and corrections were made to the WCEC. The result of this work was the legal registration of the Order of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation from July 7 2013 for the number 437 of the provisional norms for the supply of Russian military personnel with a new field kit.

It should be noted that for the production of a new set of forms used only the most modern and technological materials. Here there are many original designs. For outerwear (let's leave this traditional name for a windproof suit, windbreaker jackets, insulated jackets and waistcoats; the creators of the kit call them differently - top products), a resistant, water-repellent surface treatment of products, and silicone fabric processing were used. This solution ensures the safety of heat due to good vapor permeability, as well as due to a small coefficient of moisture absorption.

In addition, membrane lamination was widely used. The membrane is a special thin perforated film that has micropores, which are 20 in size thousands of times smaller than a drop of water, and 700 times the size of a vapor molecule. Thanks to this membrane evaporation is very easy to go outside, while water droplets are not able to get under the clothes of a soldier. These materials were used in a windproof suit, as well as in a warmed vest.


Specialists of the company have developed special recommendations for military personnel. Using them, any soldier will be able to pick up the set of clothes that corresponds to his individual physiological features and weather conditions of the task being performed. Weather conditions can include wind, high humidity, cold from -20 to -35 degrees, and even extreme cold to -40 degrees.

“The task of creating and organizing the release of a new field form is very responsible and demanded serious preparation from us. Until recently, not a single enterprise of light industry in our country produced such high-tech clothing for the Russian army. We at BTK Group devoted a significant amount of time to preparing for the start of production, training specialists, and setting up equipment, and therefore we are absolutely sure that the military order will be completed on time and efficiently, ”commented the beginning of the production of VKBO in St. Petersburg Andrei Podoprigorin , being the head of the directorate for interaction with the executive bodies of the company "BTK Group".

The supply of VKBO to warehouses of the Ministry of Defense of Russia in accordance with the concluded contract will be carried out in stages over 3 years - from 2013 to 2015 a year. Until the end of 2013, the Russian military will receive 100 thousand sets of new field uniforms. It is worth considering the fact that the use of the new form will allow to achieve considerable savings of funds. The all-season basic outfit kit will become inventory property (the lifetime of such a kit will be for 3-5 years, while the existing form kit will last only for 1 a year). At the end of the service, the soldiers will hand over the basic elements of the kit, which, after cleaning, will again be issued to recruits. Naturally, this principle does not apply to underwear - it will be issued to every soldier by a new one.

Information sources:
-http: //www.btcgroup.ru/press/releases/? ELEMENT_ID = 679
-http: //www.redstar.ru/index.php/daty/item/7163-polevoy-garderob-soldata
-http: //www.aif.ru/society/news/432598
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  1. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 12 September 2013 08: 10 New
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    Well, thank God at least they left a hat with earflaps, but the footcloths are a pity, a cool, very useful thing!
    1. elmi
      elmi 12 September 2013 08: 44 New
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      A good kit, questions only for camouflage, especially for the winter version of the form, why left green? we have greens in the winter, really it was impossible to make the color with white tones. Each time during the fighting, wearing a winter mask is not possible.
      1. Alexey Prikazchikov
        Alexey Prikazchikov 12 September 2013 08: 55 New
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        And the unloading and the bronik are also the color of snow?)))) Lord, what kind of Internet military are you funny.
        1. elmi
          elmi 12 September 2013 10: 55 New
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          Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
          And unloading and bronik also the color of snow?))))

          And why not, have a summer and winter variant of unloading and a bronik. In winter, against the background of snow, the green form is very clearly visible.
          Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
          Lord, what kind of internet military are you funny.
          In your opinion there are only online military men who do not have military practice and combat experience? you are mistaken. I speak not from an empty place, but from experience, since I myself fought in the Chechen 1. We did not have winter maskhalats, and that may have caused great losses.
          1. Hon
            Hon 12 September 2013 10: 57 New
            +2
            Why argue? There are camouflage uniforms, by the way it happens that there is no snow in winter, or as a result of fights it is simply mixed with the ground and not at all white.
          2. Alexey Prikazchikov
            Alexey Prikazchikov 12 September 2013 11: 52 New
            +2
            And why not, have a summer and winter variant of unloading and a bronik. In winter, against the background of snow, the green form is very clearly visible.


            It will only be for the Arctic brigades in such a cam. Because how to fully equip the entire army with 2 types of stones is simply expensive. And yes, since our country is very large and the types of localities are also very diverse, so kamkov is needed, in theory, much more, for good speaking.
            In your opinion there are only online military men who do not have military practice and combat experience? you are mistaken. I speak not from an empty place, but from experience, since I myself fought in the Chechen 1. We did not have winter maskhalats, and that may have caused great losses.


            Firstly, the losses were not only because of this and basically not because of this. Secondly, if the then rulers thought with their heads, and not ... sing. That war might simply not have happened. And in the third, there is no way to check for the veracity of your words, so sorry.
            1. elmi
              elmi 12 September 2013 13: 45 New
              +6
              Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
              Because it’s just expensive to fully equip the entire army of 2 types of cams

              It is not necessary to sew 2 of the kind of form. Vlad 1965 spoke well; you can have removable covers for the bronik, helmet, and a jacket for two-way winter-summer.
              Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
              Firstly, the losses were not only because of this and basically not because of this.

              I do not argue for various reasons there were losses, including due to the lack of maskhalates.
              Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
              And in the third, there is no way to check for the veracity of your words, so sorry.

              You are mistaken - if you really want proof on my part then let's talk on Skype at the same time I will show you the military man and the U.S.
              1. Alexey Prikazchikov
                Alexey Prikazchikov 12 September 2013 14: 44 New
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                It is not necessary to sew 2 of the kind of form. Vlad 1965 spoke well; you can have removable covers for the bronik, helmet, and a jacket for two-way winter-summer.


                He said gamble. Why answered below.

                I do not argue for various reasons there were losses, including due to the lack of maskhalates.


                For starters, it was necessary to coat officers from the high command.

                You are mistaken - if you really want proof on my part then let's talk on Skype at the same time I will show you the military man and the U.S.


                I don’t have Skype and I don’t know how to use it. So let it be on your conscience. I will say one thing about those who are lying about the OBD at best, they just send it to the x ... th.
                1. elmi
                  elmi 12 September 2013 16: 43 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
                  I do not argue for various reasons there were losses, including due to the lack of maskhalates.

                  For starters, it was necessary to coat officers from the high command.

                  Our officers had our winter sheepskin coats laid down for us — they gave them to the locals in the hope of not letting the militants into the villages, and we stood near the village. possibly sold.
                  Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
                  So let it be on your conscience.

                  My conscience is clear and there is no sense in lying.
                  1. Anat1974
                    Anat1974 12 September 2013 19: 33 New
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                    I'm sorry. Not that minusanul.
          3. redwolf_13
            redwolf_13 12 September 2013 12: 28 New
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            Dear, if you were in the City on the 1st, you probably remember this dirt. And what would your white-toned uniform turn into in a week. It was scary to look at the kamok. Sheets decide everything. Well, this is a retreat. A maskhalat, he is an additional means of disguising a soldier. Spirits wore sheets and disguised themselves well.
            1. elmi
              elmi 12 September 2013 14: 02 New
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              Quote: redwolf_13
              Dear, if you were in the City in 1, then you probably remember this dirt. And what would your white-toned uniform turn into in a week.

              Yes I remember. There is dirt everywhere, including unloading and bronik. That a green jacket with white shades is the same dirty all the same.
              1. Rider
                Rider 12 September 2013 15: 12 New
                +1
                Quote: elmi
                Yes I remember. Dirt everywhere


                you’ll excuse me, but in this case, your statement about unjustified losses due to the lack of winter camouflage is, well, a little exaggerated.

                besides, you should KNOW that the "virgin purity" of winter whiteness remains so only until the first shelling.
                and here I agree with redwolf_13
                features of the climate and terrain, very quickly bring wearable form in accordance with local conditions

                Well, for reconnaissance, specialists, and raiders, you really need high-quality winter camouflage.
                but such already exists, a slope for example.

                with uv.
                1. elmi
                  elmi 12 September 2013 16: 35 New
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                  Quote: Rider
                  Yes I remember. Dirt everywhere


                  you’ll excuse me, but in this case, your statement about unjustified losses due to the lack of winter camouflage is, well, a little exaggerated.

                  Do you need camouflage with a predominance of shades of dirt? You can have a picture interspersed with gray and dark tones, but I'm not saying that you need to have kipelno white. Just in moderation.
                  Quote: Rider
                  besides, you should KNOW that the "virgin purity" of winter whiteness remains so only until the first shelling.

                  But it’s not always the same during the war there are places after the artillery fire.
                  Quote: Rider
                  Well, for reconnaissance, specialists, and raiders, you really need high-quality winter camouflage.
                  but such already exists, a slope for example.

                  I like the SUPRAT costume more. Moreover, it is used in special units of the FSB. At one time they wanted to accept him as camouflage of the Russian army.
                  1. Rider
                    Rider 12 September 2013 17: 53 New
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                    Quote: elmi
                    Do you need camouflage with a predominance of shades of dirt?


                    in my opinion, the existing lumps of flowers are quite enough.
                    and all that is different, SAMA dirt will very quickly repaint for itself.
                    the conversation can only go on the style and quality of the material.
                    Quote: elmi
                    I'm not saying that you need to have a boiling white

                    that’s exactly what you said.
                    what you very competently objected.
                    Quote: elmi
                    But it’s not always the same during the war there are places after the artillery fire.

                    Yes, not always and not everywhere.
                    but where the usual infantry is located - quite often, and accordingly there are plenty of places where you can skerry and merge with the landscape for the standard pea jacket and PS
                    1. elmi
                      elmi 12 September 2013 18: 31 New
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                      Quote: Rider
                      I'm not saying that you need to have a boiling white

                      that’s exactly what you said.

                      Where did you see that I said that you need a lump of boiling white? I looked through my comments once again and didn’t find it anywhere, and you say the opposite. Quote. I offered camouflage with shades and a predominance of light - white tones, and this differs from pure white.

                      Quote: Rider
                      Yes, not always and not everywhere.
                      but where the usual infantry is located - quite often, and accordingly there are plenty of places where you can skerry and merge with the landscape for a standard pea jacket and PS

                      But for example, will you be on a field covered with snow, where will you find skerries corresponding to pea coat colors?
                      1. Rider
                        Rider 12 September 2013 19: 00 New
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                        Quote: elmi
                        Where did you see that I said that you need a lump of boiling white?


                        and where did you see the camouflage exactly boiling white tsyeta?
                        You said that winter camouflage should be light.
                        and this is not entirely true.
                        Well, and about the snow field, how long will it remain pristine clean in battle?

                        you ask some children's questions,
                        like "and if so, and if so"
                        In this case, you need a form for all occasions and conditions.
                        the laurels of the highest budget army do not give you peace.

                        Now the sequestration of the defense budget is being discussed now, and it turns out that EVERYTHING is not enough.
                        it’s better to get new tanks and turntables in the army than 4-5 uniforms.
                        Yudashken now is still enough for 5 years
                      2. elmi
                        elmi 12 September 2013 19: 12 New
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                        Quote: Rider
                        and where did you see the camouflage of the boiling white tsete?

                        That's exactly the same thing I asked you where did you see that I wrote that I needed a boiling-white color? In my opinion, you begin to cling to words and begin to get annoyed already accusing me of children's issues. The same thing I can say about your statements, but I restrain myself, but you begin to aggravate the discussion. We have a northern country and not a subtropical one, when you can have year-round one type of camouflage. I expressed my opinion about the possibility of having 2 type of camouflage - winter and summer. It’s possible like me and
                        Quote: stroitel
                        As an option, double-sided painting (inside white, outside green)

                        said to have a double-sided color. What you cling to the words. You expressed your opinion, I’m mine. And I do not impose it on you, and you are trying to convince me. Let's stay with us.
                2. Svarog_2014
                  Svarog_2014 23 January 2014 21: 09 New
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                  Excuse me, people, I don’t know where to write from anyone, I can only register and I don’t rummage about computers ... To the question, where is it possible to buy such a green PCB?
                  .
        2. roma2
          roma2 12 September 2013 18: 19 New
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          The cost of a winter camouflage suit is several tens of times cheaper than the second (winter set), no one will do it - ruinously
      2. Vlad 1965
        Vlad 1965 12 September 2013 11: 03 New
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        Alexey Prikazchikov
        Replaceable cover for bronik-problem? Covers for helmet-problem? Unloading two colors-problem? Jacket return, two-color-problem?
        Probably a problem in the heads of developers, no more.
        1. elmi
          elmi 12 September 2013 11: 18 New
          +3
          Alexey Prikazchikov
          Replaceable cover for bronik-problem? Covers for helmet-problem? Unloading two colors-problem? Jacket return, two-color-problem?
          Probably a problem in the heads of developers, no more.

          I subscribe to every word. We used to save. And spending more to ensure a more secure life for our soldiers is evidently and unfortunately not accepted.
        2. Alexey Prikazchikov
          Alexey Prikazchikov 12 September 2013 12: 16 New
          +1
          Replaceable case on a bronik problem


          Yes, since a good case is made from very expensive types of materials.

          Hard hat covers


          The same thing.

          Unloading two colors is a problem?


          Good unloading costs from 10 rubles in the basic version. Then think for yourself.

          ? Jacket return, two-tone problem?


          Look again at the form. This is primarily a multilayer so yes a problem. But the layer in the chamber for the Arctic will be. But only for the Arctic brigades. And yes, if you are so worried about the second cam I will say so they need much more. Our steppes alone are only worth ...
          1. Srgsoap
            Srgsoap 12 September 2013 13: 30 New
            +4
            Alexey completely agree with you. Options for illustration.
            1. saygon66
              saygon66 12 September 2013 21: 38 New
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              - Damn, again "Kryptek" ... The photographs are beautiful, but believable live. M. b. Deceptex?
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              2. saygon66
                saygon66 12 September 2013 21: 54 New
                +1
                - Well, like this, for example:
        3. Sirozha
          Sirozha 12 September 2013 12: 50 New
          +3
          The problem is more likely with you! The material of the white jacket should be water repellent, right? So he will not breathe? You go high in a jacket whose lining is made of some rubber (here I exaggerate of course, but you understand, I think)? Dress OZK and crawl in it a couple of hundred meters! The same thing will be in this jacket!
          There are special suits for the snow, they are light and simply put on top for basic clothes!
    2. builder
      builder 12 September 2013 08: 56 New
      +3
      As an option, double-sided painting (inside white, outside green)
      1. Jin
        Jin 12 September 2013 12: 15 New
        +2
        Quote: stroitel
        As an option, double-sided painting (inside white, outside green)


        Can you imagine what will happen to this white when you wear it with the side "on the body"? Let's not carry on nonsense ... there are camouflage coats, but the question of supply is a completely different question ...
        1. builder
          builder 12 September 2013 16: 05 New
          +3
          The form is multi-layered so this is not a problem. Double-sided camouflage is used in many countries of the world (they began to be used, in mine, in the Wehrmacht)
          1. builder
            builder 12 September 2013 16: 15 New
            +2
            Let's not carry nonsense ...


            Civil option
            1. Kir
              Kir 12 September 2013 17: 57 New
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              In fact, after saying Velcro Velcro, the question immediately arose about the material, since Velcro is the official Velcro tape, about the "super material" Selikon it is generally better to keep silent about only one obvious plus hygiene and manufacturability, and is inferior to high-quality rubber , and in general, talk about super materials is empty, since ask the shoemakers and they will tell you that rubber is better than polyurethane and leather is generally out of competition and wooden nails will give odds to metal ones, and also note the reference to NASA, so this is what I am to you and all "believers in super synthetics "I will say they spent on development for spacecraft or something like that, and now the grandmothers are beating off, one-on-one stories with Teflon from their own DuPont, besides, the polymer, which actually surpasses the cost of the product, will raise the cost of the product to Space Heights.
          2. builder
            builder 12 September 2013 17: 00 New
            +2
            Double-sided camouflage is used in many countries of the world (they began to be used, in mine, in the Wehrmacht)
    3. Sibiryak
      Sibiryak 12 September 2013 10: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: elmi
      questions only to camouflage, especially to the winter version of the form, why left green? we have greenery in winter, really it was impossible to make the color with white tones.

      We have a country with different climatic conditions, not everywhere and not always for a long period of snow falls head over heels!
      Quote: elmi
      Each time during the fighting, wearing a winter maskhalat will not work.

      When the adversary knows where you are to conduct military operations, there is no need for a maskhalat if you do not want to hide much from it!
      1. elmi
        elmi 12 September 2013 11: 07 New
        +1
        Quote: Sibiryak
        We have a country with different climatic conditions, not everywhere and not always for a long period of snow falls head over heels!

        For the northern regions, it would be possible to sew a form with a predominance of light colors. There are examples:
        1. Sibiryak
          Sibiryak 12 September 2013 11: 37 New
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          Quote: elmi
          For the northern regions, it would be possible to sew a form with a predominance of light colors.

          Firstly, I don't see the point, it is easier and cheaper to supply the required quantity with maskhalats, although most of them in regular units are not needed everywhere in winter. And secondly, in the army, everything strives for one-man command, even the required amount of "calories" necessary for a soldier is prescribed by various charters and regulations, so the uniform is sewn according to the prescribed standard and it certainly does not provide for discrepancy for regular units!
          1. Jin
            Jin 12 September 2013 12: 20 New
            +1
            Quote: Sibiryak
            Firstly, I don’t see the point; it’s easier and cheaper to supply maskhalates in the required amount, although most of them are in regular units and are not needed everywhere in winter


            Definitely +, I'm talking about the same ...
          2. Jin
            Jin 12 September 2013 12: 21 New
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            Quote: Sibiryak
            therefore, the form is sewn according to the prescribed standard and it doesn’t exactly provide for discrepancy for regular parts!


            I could, I would put a plus ...
          3. Spectrum
            Spectrum 26 September 2013 21: 19 New
            +2
            Attempts to make the universal result in failure, this rule, a specific solution needs a specific solution, I would look at you during the fight in the snow in green uniform, I think then you would rethink a bit of unity of command to put it mildly.
        2. Jin
          Jin 12 September 2013 12: 19 New
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          Quote: elmi
          For the northern regions, it would be possible to sew a form with a predominance of light colors. There are examples:


          And where did you get the idea that it will not be sewn? Combined arms uniforms, combined with military uniforms so that troops go in it, this unifies production, for military operations, there should always be appropriate camouflage ... you don’t want to say that if you serve in the northern regions, all the time will you go in a camouflage suit? For what?
          1. elmi
            elmi 12 September 2013 13: 56 New
            +2
            Quote: Jin
            And where did you get the idea that it will not be sewn?

            Wait and see.
            Quote: Jin
            For what?

            There is a summer uniform, there is a winter one. So even for a summer uniform, although there is a green pattern, depending on the assigned mission, they put on an additional mask, he camouflages better under the terrain. I came from the task and took off the mask. It’s the same with the winter one.
            1. Jin
              Jin 12 September 2013 17: 00 New
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              Quote: elmi
              There is a summer uniform, there is a winter one. So even for a summer uniform, although there is a green pattern, depending on the assigned mission, they put on an additional mask, he camouflages better under the terrain. I came from the task and took off the mask. It’s the same with the winter one.


              You probably didn’t understand me, I’m talking about the same thing ... The combined-arms color can be green, but for a specific region, it either fits on its own or a camouflage dress is used.
    4. Mairos
      Mairos 12 September 2013 12: 15 New
      +2
      For winter, there are masking sets. Above all, dressing them is customary. )))
      1. Jin
        Jin 12 September 2013 12: 23 New
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        Quote: Mairos
        For winter, there are masking sets. Above all, dressing them is customary. )))


        + Yes! And not only for winter, however ...
    5. Sirozha
      Sirozha 12 September 2013 12: 40 New
      +1
      The fact is that it is shown exactly the everyday version of the form! In order to fight in the winter, there are suits of white color (or winter camouflage) that quickly crawl into snow from crawling in the snow and you can simply throw them away and take another one. And what will you do with the form that you were given the kit for the whole season ??? So will you walk in the mud head over heels?
  2. Vlad 1965
    Vlad 1965 12 September 2013 10: 45 New
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    It’s interesting, how is all this junk going to carry / carry a soldier, plus a b / c, a bulletproof vest, plus field ration and other property? A mule will walk near, or from a committee of soldiers’s mothers, a hen will clatter nearby?
    1. consul
      consul 12 September 2013 11: 46 New
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      Yes, and how realistic is it to put all this quickly on alert?
      1. Hon
        Hon 12 September 2013 11: 54 New
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        And now if we talk about the winter form, put on a lot less? If you take the warmest version of the presented form. In the soldier’s underwear, it is already sleeping on it, then warm trousers, a sweatshirt like an Olympic sweatshirt with zippers, winter jacket and a hat, everything. what is it long to wear? Well, now the pants are warm, in some parts a warm sweater, pea jacket (jacket), a hat, boots or boots. Same.
    2. Sirozha
      Sirozha 12 September 2013 12: 54 New
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      There are rear services for this! They will carry everything. But in fact, it all weighs not so much (I mean the whole set of clothes). Normal kit, however.
      All over the world they have long been using a layer system that really works, it has been personally tested, and we all argue that it is better than footcloths or socks !!!
  3. lepa-72
    lepa-72 14 September 2013 02: 45 New
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    I agree. A winter set of rubbish. Are frozen. They will buy kits themselves.
  • Alez
    Alez 12 September 2013 08: 12 New
    +3
    Finally, it’s normal form, and it was all crap from Yudashkin, shoulder straps on his stomach.
    1. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim 12 September 2013 08: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: Alez
      and that was all crap from Yudashkin, shoulder straps on his stomach.

      Well, at least they did not stick below! wassat
    2. Hon
      Hon 12 September 2013 09: 03 New
      +2
      That is not from Yudashkin but from Serdyukov
    3. AK-47
      AK-47 12 September 2013 11: 30 New
      0
      membrane lamination was widely used. A membrane is a special thin perforated film that has micropores that are 20 thousand times smaller in size than a drop of water and 700 times larger than a vapor molecule. Thanks to this membrane, vapors are very easy to go outside, while drops of water are not able to get under the clothes of a military man.

      Inspires, perhaps this will finally stop.
  • Canep
    Canep 12 September 2013 08: 42 New
    +4
    To be honest, it looks like sucks. The soldiers look like dented telepuzikami. In my opinion, it was necessary to take the old, good Afghan as the basis.
    1. Hon
      Hon 12 September 2013 09: 04 New
      +2
      I also did not like the cut, but the main thing is convenient and practical, I hope it was possible to implement it.
      1. Canep
        Canep 12 September 2013 09: 20 New
        0
        With this appearance, our fighters will not cause special respect, neither among enemies nor among friends.
        1. Hon
          Hon 12 September 2013 09: 34 New
          +4
          Oh, okay, they look normal. The Georgians had a beautiful shape, and what helped them? Our soldiers used to look worse
          1. Canep
            Canep 12 September 2013 10: 18 New
            +2
            Everything should be perfect in a person: face, clothes, soul, and thoughts. (A.P. Chekhov)
            1. Hon
              Hon 12 September 2013 10: 23 New
              +4
              Quote: Canep
              Everything should be perfect in a person: face, clothes, soul, and thoughts. (A.P. Chekhov)

              Did he serve the Czechs in the army? The main practicality, everything else is secondary.
              1. Canep
                Canep 12 September 2013 10: 34 New
                +2
                Did you yourself serve? In any army, certain and often quite stringent requirements are imposed on the appearance of servicemen. I am the commandant of Art. Almaty 1 wrote a remark in a vacation note, only because the boots (winter) were not of the army type, although they were very similar. True, the lieutenant colonel himself was dressed in an astrakhan hat.
            2. rolik
              rolik 12 September 2013 14: 39 New
              +3
              Quote: Canep
              Everything should be perfect in a person: face, clothes, soul, and thoughts. (A.P. Chekhov)

              In the military, everything should be beautiful: face, clothes, soul, thoughts, and underwear. (film "DMB", part one)
  • Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 12 September 2013 08: 43 New
    +1
    Is it not planned to fight at temperatures above +15? Where is the tropical option? And at -45 are you planning to wear these jackets? Where are the natural furs? I remember in 1977 in Moscow on New Year's -47 with the wind. Without a sheepskin coat, well, nothing. What was the prototype? I would take the M65 as a prototype for the jacket. Cool jacket. The fabric is highly wear-resistant, easy to dry, flaps, buttons, pockets, a drawstring for quick release with a zipper, a hood in the collar, and, most importantly, super ergonomics due to the correct width of the sleeves and "wings". I think its development was worth a lot.
    1. Hon
      Hon 12 September 2013 09: 08 New
      +4
      Natural fur is heavy and uncomfortable, modern heaters have long surpassed it in all respects. For example, there is a tinsulate, it is often used in clothes for oil industry workers, and this is often temperatures beyond -50
      1. Asan Ata
        Asan Ata 12 September 2013 09: 59 New
        +6
        Once an Australian came to our company. It was in Yakutsk, winter, -55. Comrade dressed in super duper western -75. So: it was enough for him to run to the car, to run out to the office. There he said - I'm not going anywhere, give me normal clothes, FUR. In Yakutsk, no one calculates synthetics. Natural fur is 100 times better. And the weight is so correct, you need to flesh normally. The right fur weighs a puff. I think giving up fur is a hostile deal for the greens. Just remember how in 1941 Siberians in short fur coats favorably differed from Germans in cloth.)))
        1. Hon
          Hon 12 September 2013 10: 28 New
          +3
          Quote: Asan Ata
          Once an Australian came to our company. It was in Yakutsk, winter, -55. Comrade dressed in super duper western -75. So: it was enough for him to run to the car, to run out to the office. There he said - I'm not going anywhere, give me normal clothes, FUR. In Yakutsk, no one calculates synthetics. Natural fur is 100 times better. And the weight is so correct, you need to flesh normally. The right fur weighs a puff. I think giving up fur is a hostile deal for the greens. Just remember how in 1941 Siberians in short fur coats favorably differed from Germans in cloth.)))

          Chelengarov obviously does not know that fur is better than synthetics.
          1. Hon
            Hon 12 September 2013 10: 30 New
            +1
            ...........................
          2. Vlad 1965
            Vlad 1965 12 September 2013 10: 52 New
            +5
            Hon (3)
            Uh-huh, somehow we had a military inspection, according to the independent reconnaissance patrol, consisting of Germans, British and Poles, frost minus 20, humidity 98, we are in our uniform, a fur collar, cotton wool knocking out a pea jacket, they are in their super duper synthetics, nothing like that , all sorts of Germans looked cool there, with snot up to their belly and blue ears, for a long time then they drank these "warriors" with vodka
            1. Hon
              Hon 12 September 2013 11: 01 New
              -1
              Quote: Vlad 1965
              Uh-huh, somehow we had a military inspection, according to the independent reconnaissance patrol, consisting of Germans, British and Poles, frost minus 20, humidity 98, we are in our uniform, a fur collar, cotton wool knocking out a pea jacket, they are in their super duper synthetics, nothing like that , all sorts of Germans looked cool there, with snot up to their belly and blue ears, for a long time then they drank these "warriors" with vodka

              So cotton wool is also not fur, it is cotton, or now synthetic. The Germans have a uniform for their winter, that’s freezing with us, I now also take light clothes in Moscow for the winter, in which I went to Saratov only in autumn.
            2. Asan Ata
              Asan Ata 13 September 2013 09: 49 New
              0
              About that and speech. They basically do not understand what cold is.
          3. user
            user 12 September 2013 11: 28 New
            +3
            You carefully look at the photo when at -45 the air becomes thick and fog appears from this thick air and visibility is 100-200 meters, but at the pole I think he was photographed in warm time. By the way, he received the second medal of the Hero for immersing the flag, if everyone was given for this. . . . .
            1. Hon
              Hon 12 September 2013 11: 33 New
              0
              Yes, but the polar explorers there are not only in warm weather, what do you take ten sets of clothes with you, one jacket lighter than the other warmer?
              1. Hon
                Hon 12 September 2013 11: 59 New
                +1
                Found, here the frost is stronger
            2. rolik
              rolik 12 September 2013 14: 44 New
              +2
              Quote: user
              You look carefully at the photo when -45

              At this temperature and below, a mask is required. Otherwise, you will catch the lungs, and if the wind also, then -45 turn into -50 or lower.
              1. Hon
                Hon 12 September 2013 14: 47 New
                +1
                Well, what will I do if no one is photographed at 45 and below? I repeat the question. In your polar explorers take two jackets with them, for warm and cold weather?
                1. rolik
                  rolik 12 September 2013 21: 49 New
                  0
                  Quote: Hon
                  Well, what will I do if no one is photographed at 45 and below?

                  Because it’s cold and the camera in such a frost does not arbyte, if it is not put into the box.
                  In general, polar suits like cabbage, several layers, a jacket, semi-overalls. The jacket is still fastened to the jacket. when it is colder, it is fastened, when it is unfastened warmer.
                  But the most successful clothes for the far north have been invented for a long time, this is a malitsa or a kitchen girl, a fur jacket. She has fur outside and fur inside, the Chukchi put it on her naked body. and again these pants are semi-overalls made of fur outside and inside. And in kamiks, shoes made of deer fur, stuff dry moss. Not a single Chukchi in such clothes has not frozen yet. They began to freeze when they began to import European clothing. She is bright, multi-colored, they dressed her up and walked around showing off. They walked until the first frosts, and then climbed back into the Malitsa. Because as soon as in such clothes at minus 40-60 degrees comfortable.
                2. rolik
                  rolik 12 September 2013 22: 03 New
                  +1
                  And what does Chukchi winter clothing look like? everything is comfortable and spacious, and most importantly warm.
          4. Jin
            Jin 12 September 2013 12: 33 New
            +1
            Quote: Hon
            Chelengarov obviously does not know that fur is better than synthetics.


            + Yes, probably the little animals are more expensive to him than their health, here the poor fellow freezes !!! smile
          5. Kir
            Kir 12 September 2013 18: 26 New
            0
            And about the stuffing - a heater that a word? And then after all, the cool Canadians on Eiderdown will be -This is the first and now voice the cost of the kit!
          6. Asan Ata
            Asan Ata 13 September 2013 09: 48 New
            0
            Notice, hands without gloves, that is, temperature, well, a maximum of -15.
        2. Mairos
          Mairos 12 September 2013 12: 17 New
          +2
          Synthetics are VERY warm. )))
        3. Jin
          Jin 12 September 2013 12: 31 New
          +1
          Quote: Asan Ata
          Just remember how in 1941 the Siberians in short fur coats favorably with the Germans in cloth.)))


          Cloth with modern materials do not confuse ... and generally cloth and fur !!! Of course favorably! Then there were no such high-tech materials as now. Here is an example for illustrative purposes:

          Look at what the polar expeditions are wearing, How do they spend weeks on dogs, in those same jackets and pants on a heater, but in a sheepskin coat, your legs will fall off after 10 km ... Secondly, in a modern outfit, unlike a sheepskin coat, sweat less, but you are sweating, cold. And this is your Australian, how does Australia know a lot about winter equipment? Che steamed, then I bought ... like -75 *
          1. Asan Ata
            Asan Ata 13 September 2013 09: 57 New
            0
            Synthetics burn well, while sticking to the skin, you can’t tear it off. I personally for the fur in the cold.
    2. saygon66
      saygon66 12 September 2013 22: 40 New
      0
      - In such cold weather amers put on a jacket N3b (we have it as "Alaska") M65 is a bit old ... For example, the Swedish M90 Not a "back word", of course, but all the same more modern.
  • Nitarius
    Nitarius 12 September 2013 08: 52 New
    +2
    Now, if only not from the CHINESE MATERIAL. And from Normal HB, etc. so that it is warm and comfortable for the children to defend their homeland.
    secondly, they are the same future fathers. and no one needs Hemorrhoids. Children should be born from healthy fathers.
  • Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 12 September 2013 09: 18 New
    0
    The absence of footcloths is not pleasing.
    1. Kpox
      Kpox 12 September 2013 09: 36 New
      +1
      And who prevents them from being hidden under socks;) But where is the matter where to get without centralized supply? ...
    2. Hon
      Hon 12 September 2013 10: 34 New
      0
      If there are good shoes, foot wraps will not be needed
      1. Vlad 1965
        Vlad 1965 12 September 2013 10: 49 New
        +4
        Hon (
        Do you know that for sure?
        How many resources of these same socks, with a walking march of 25 km?
        And if it's on the battlefield?
        And if it's in a war, where to dry your socks is a great problem?
        You are from the stronghold of the military, on the floor, the socks are the most, questions about the resistance of the sock on the floor in the conditions at 9.00 to the service, at 17.00 home, does not arise, does it?
        1. Hon
          Hon 12 September 2013 11: 05 New
          0
          These resources have a large




          Socks are perfect for hot weather. Robur and Mythlan materials prevent odors and bacteria. The manufacturing technology of X-SOCKS socks reduces: skin irritation, muscle cramps, rubbing the skin, overheating, the formation of corns and bruises. areas of the foot that are particularly susceptible to stress, such as the heel and the toe of the thumb, are softened and protected at the most necessary points.
          57% Nylon 23% Acrylic 14% Polyprop 6%
          1. Vlad 1965
            Vlad 1965 12 September 2013 11: 27 New
            0
            Hon (3) RU
            Are you sure that these socks will be in the troops? Oh ... here the set of Barmitsa in a disassembled state reaches the soldier, and the soldier will not see this crap at all, unless on the counters of "military" stores or in hunting.
            All this bodyagi, with super-duper socks and other bells and whistles, is good for single formations, special forces, but in mass production, for the mass army, there’s nothing more than money-laundering.
            1. Hon
              Hon 12 September 2013 11: 31 New
              0
              Quote: Vlad 1965
              Are you sure that these socks will be in the troops? Oh ... here the set of Barmitsa in a disassembled state reaches the soldier, and the soldier will not see this crap at all, unless on the counters of "military" stores or in hunting.
              All this bodyagi, with super-duper socks and other bells and whistles, is good for single formations, special forces, but in mass production, for the mass army, there’s nothing more than money-laundering.

              Of course I’m not sure, just as I’m not sure that there will be good shoes, not the cheapest shoes, and I’m not sure that the form shown in the pictures will not really be Chinese cheap. I just hope that this time, all the same, our soldiers will get a really good shape.
              1. Jin
                Jin 12 September 2013 12: 36 New
                0
                Quote: Hon
                I just hope that this time, all the same, our soldiers will get a really good shape.


                All the more so, colleague, that the dispute began not about whether it will or will not be, but about what warms or cools better ... and this is already a "congress from the topic." Another to you + from me drinks
        2. Sirozha
          Sirozha 12 September 2013 12: 59 New
          0
          In normal boots, and not in that go .. not in which they now go and in normal socks made of good materials, everything will be fine! I advise you to buy good shoes and good ones, for example, hiking boots, socks and you will be very surprised!
    3. Mairos
      Mairos 12 September 2013 12: 20 New
      0
      Yes, no footcloths in boots. In the mountains quite successfully without footcloths went. Fables are all about the irreplaceability of footcloths.
      1. Rider
        Rider 12 September 2013 15: 26 New
        +1
        Quote: Mairos
        Fables are all about the irreplaceability of footcloths.


        and no one is talking about "irreplaceability".

        BUT, for MASS wearing in soldier’s boots, there is no other way.
  • Denga
    Denga 12 September 2013 09: 30 New
    +2
    Shoes under -40 something can’t even be believed, it's one thing for a couple of days to go somewhere, and the other to serve in them. And if somewhere in Yakutia, where the temperature drops below -60, what will the people do there?
  • Ulan
    Ulan 12 September 2013 10: 28 New
    +5
    As for the footcloths. I think it was necessary to leave in the kit and who will use it or not, let everyone decide for himself.
    A demobilized senior warrant officer recently got a job in our department as a loading and unloading master
    He served in the Kaliningrad region. So they even forced to wear footcloths under the berets. In the toes, the soldiers knocked down their legs completely.
    In order to completely abandon footcloths, you need good, comfortable shoes and not pads and good socks, and not a couple for a month, but a couple for a week.
    It's good that shoulder straps were returned instead of a stupid rag on the belly.
    Well, in my opinion, a soldier without a lap belt is not a soldier but a woman. Although, of course, the belt does not carry a functional load, it does not hang pouches on it, etc.
    But still...
  • creak
    creak 12 September 2013 10: 30 New
    +2
    It is also important to teach fighters to wear this uniform correctly, especially with sudden changes in temperature ....
  • chenia
    chenia 12 September 2013 10: 32 New
    0
    Quote: Asan Ata
    Just remember how in 1941 the Siberians in short fur coats favorably with the Germans in cloth.)))


    Speaking of short fur coats, I will not say that this is a cool winter clothing. Without cotton pants, such garbage, checked (the bell from the bottom is absolutely blown, even the greatcoat is better).

    The Otar range up to -30 and an invigorating mountain breeze (your Asan-Ata region), accustomed to the following form - underpants, tracksuit, PSh, and tank jumpsuit (pants without underwear), felt boots or high boots (when it became more solid). On the hands are very thin flannel or ceremonial gloves (after he burned his hands on the PUW at the first training ground), and on top of the fur gloves.

    So for winter, the proposed clothing is appropriate (if quality material).
    Instead of earflaps, you can have a thick knitted hat, the hood should naturally be ..
    1. Asan Ata
      Asan Ata 13 September 2013 10: 20 New
      0
      My grandfather, when in winter in Northern Kazakhstan it was necessary to stay outdoors all day, he wore a fur coat for a short fur coat, the collar was high, it was completely up to the ground, so that it would not blow out, there were three on its head. In such clothes you can spend the night where you have to. Of course, you don’t run in the atheka like that, but on the watchman, it’s just that. The compromise between comfort and body freedom depends on the configuration of the entire uniform. But here, alas, you can not argue with amerikotami. I think the cost of uniforms for a Russian soldier from a US soldier differs by an order of magnitude.
  • Klim podkova
    Klim podkova 12 September 2013 11: 05 New
    +3
    Whatever you say, but in the field a footcloth is just a miracle practical thing. As for the fur coat, I agree: no matter how hard it is tightened, it still blows the bottom. But I would not refuse from hats with earflaps (bring it up).
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 12 September 2013 11: 08 New
    0
    Maybe this would be a good kit for fighters. But if again the hack tramples on the Chinese technology and their texture, then there is nothing to start. The grandmothers will leave, the next "fathers of the commanders" will wash their way into mud.
  • bistrov.
    bistrov. 12 September 2013 11: 21 New
    +7
    All the same, in my opinion, the decision is not quite right. Previously, the soldier had the following: - I carry everything of mine with me, an overcoat roll on my shoulder, spare footcloths in a duffel bag. Valenki, or boots, or an overcoat, too, could be trimmed there too, there are special straps. The rear services provided only the replacement of summer clothes for winter and wash it. This was the basis for the high mobility of the Soviet troops. (For example, the Wehrmacht had special rear units in each company that were engaged in its rear support: -in fact, they carried soldiers' greatcoats in the summer, which significantly limited its mobility) In addition, in the summer There are quite cold days (everyone knows where we live), when you cannot do without warm clothes. The overcoat, in this case, was universal, it could be laid out, she could be covered, at night she was dressed in a sentry, or a day dress. Now, it turns out, special units should be created, modeled on the Wehrmacht, who will carry his bag for the soldier, since in battle formations the soldier himself will not be able to drag him, most likely in the confusion of the battle, these services will lag behind and the soldier will be swollen and undressed in a sudden rain , snow, wind, etc. Let us recall in the former war how many times the soldiers remained hungry due to the fact that somewhere with a horse and cart, or with a field kitchen, got lost or was destroyed, or their foreman was captured. Yes, someone may call me a retrograde, but still I am a supporter of both my greatcoat and good old footcloths and boots, which only needed to be slightly shortened and equipped with special buckles, similar to the old paratroopers who served with the Soviet landing, he will understand me.
    1. Sirozha
      Sirozha 12 September 2013 14: 27 New
      +3
      I will give you an example of the Americans hated here: Their layer kit, which was used to develop this Russian kit, was developed according to the complaints of soldiers who served in Afghanistan, where they had to go to several climatic conditions in one day (and we also went through this) , so this layer system assumes that you are choosing a kit for today, depending on the task and the conditions in which you will operate and it is assumed that almost all of this kit is wearable! Indeed, all clothes are light and comfortable! Made from breathable materials. So walking in the summer form of clothing a fleece jacket and a membrane jacket will not tire you from the rain, but at the right time it will warm you up, and the rest of the gear will be stored in your trunk at the place of permanent basing. By the way, also a pretty wearable bag. And the Kirzachs and footcloths are really hopelessly outdated.
      Another thing is what will be sewn for the army and what will be issued from this! ..
  • Sarmat1972
    Sarmat1972 12 September 2013 11: 34 New
    +8
    I was urgent and then went on business trips to the mountains more than once (CR). Not when I did not wear socks - only footcloths !!!!! reliable !!! heat!!! sweat is well absorbed in summer. And from clothes: in the USSR, clothes and nat were always given out to tank and air units. wool and cotton - not only warmer than synthetics, but during a fire, these clothes do not melt on you !!!!
  • kostya_a
    kostya_a 12 September 2013 12: 17 New
    +2
    Why argue whether this or that is better. Almost a year after all, we tested "cabbage" on contract soldiers, all the comments were taken into account, so everything is ok. Let's say thank you that now such kits will be delivered. For two years of service since 2001, I have changed 4 lumps and 3 pea jackets.
  • Alex45
    Alex45 12 September 2013 13: 28 New
    0
    Tell me, how comfortable is it in the summer in the heat in shoes designed for -10 - + 15?
    1. Hon
      Hon 12 September 2013 13: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: Alex45
      Tell me, how comfortable is it in the summer in the heat in shoes designed for -10 - + 15?

      If you look at the first photo, you will see that the "soldier" on the far left is shod in ordinary ankle boots, standing in the middle in demi-jackets, and on the far right in winter boots. The photo below shows only demis and winter boots.
  • Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 12 September 2013 14: 34 New
    +1
    Quote: stroitel
    As an option, double-sided painting (inside white, outside green)

    The Germans used this option in the war in the ss.
  • repytw
    repytw 12 September 2013 15: 14 New
    +2
    Quote: Jin
    Quote: stroitel
    As an option, double-sided painting (inside white, outside green)


    Can you imagine what will happen to this white when you wear it with the side "on the body"? Let's not carry on nonsense ... there are camouflage coats, but the question of supply is a completely different question ...


    At the border service of the FSB of Russia, the top (third) jacket is double-sided with digital white and green colors, who are interested in looking on the internet.
  • chenia
    chenia 12 September 2013 15: 32 New
    +2
    Quote: bistrov.
    Previously, the soldier had the following: - I carry everything of mine with me, an overcoat roll on my shoulder, spare footcloths in a duffel bag. Valenki, or boots, or an overcoat, too, could be trimmed there too, there are special straps.


    This is not a winter kit, one way or another they gave the quilts from the wagon train for the winter, and boots (just like the quilted ones were received from the warehouse during the season) in summer, not only didn’t see the soldiers on the thing’s bag, but I can’t even imagine it.

    So that podsteg can ride in a train before the season. It makes no sense to make a water-repellent fabric for uniforms, there should be a raincoat-tent, only lighter and less overall.

    Quote: Sirozha
    so this layer system assumes that you choose a kit,

    But this is very correct. By the way, trunks (duffel bags) must also be changed.

    And as for the shoes, nevertheless, according to the situation, it’s a little shitty in the mud in the berets. Or have additional waterproof stockings (only thin ones that would fit in pockets on the berets).
  • Massik
    Massik 12 September 2013 17: 25 New
    0
    Well, we decided on something, now another 2-3 years will spend the stocks of the already sewn "old model", and then we can start to give out a little)))
  • Kir
    Kir 12 September 2013 18: 35 New
    0
    For the Information of All, for a start, it may be worth asking where the legs of these "super materials" are growing (most likely DuPont again "cheated") and yes, and the machine park of "whose" will and only then raise the topic, and also why the "valiant" Yankees use Ours "Eagles" and "Pelicans" they bought ours that the "poor" are not aware of what super materials they are, hell knows what year of development they have "in service" And now, summing up all this, then it is already possible to draw some conclusions.
  • repytw
    repytw 12 September 2013 19: 22 New
    +5
    Again, even in the uniform, American roots can be traced, why the camouflage hangs in a crumpled, shapeless lump, the soldier will definitely look like an eternally dirty, crumpled American soldier, not without this they were nicknamed "ami". All the same, it was necessary to take the "Afghan woman" as a basis and leave the belt in everyday form, as a tradition of the Russian army on a par with shoulder straps.
    1. Kir
      Kir 12 September 2013 19: 29 New
      +1
      And the shoe does not bother you - the temperature range of its use, for example, who knows where such shoes are used - active rest, extreme, it annoys, since in this case the movement is meant the same with breathing clothes, the question is how much in a "state of rest" it is - the equipment is able to keep warm? There is a separate song about the Belt, the truth of which to demand from the territory the first settlers of which were mostly rabble of all stripes, and what a real military experience they have over 200 years old to be trendsetters.
  • repytw
    repytw 12 September 2013 20: 44 New
    0
    For shoes, if I am furious with fat, then I would also introduce lightweight summer shoes with breathing berets and still sweat my foot, here the most important thing is hygiene and dry socks or footcloths, here a lot of people are sad and right about them.
    We have two breathable jackets by the side, on top is a third double-sided (white and green) with a detachable lining from a sheepskin (made as a separate jacket) and a hood, very comfortable. When you need to move, you can get by with jackets, but in a halt or in an ambush, you put on or under a sheepskin.
    1. saygon66
      saygon66 12 September 2013 23: 08 New
      0
      - Starting this year, five types of shoes are being introduced into the British Army ... To every soldier! Plus shoes on the female foot, such as specially designed ...
  • go
    go 12 September 2013 21: 21 New
    +4
    The transition from a cap to an earflap is not clear. Does our temperature change sharply from +10 to -20? The experience of military conflicts shows that the most worn sports hats, if without a helmet. It was impossible to make a hat that could be worn as a comforter?

    Caps are square in themselves - they unmask.

    The decision should not be made by Shoigu, but by specialists.

    This is of course progress, that something new is being introduced, but this new in Russia is no longer new in other advanced countries. Why is their experience not used? If you introduce something new, then you really have to deal specifically and develop a set of forms for modern conditions. For example, what about thermal signature, refractoriness, what about the membrane in the fabric? If they introduce waterproof pockets for documents, how quickly does the rest get wet? And in general, is it possible to make a plastic card as a document? But recently they made a good kit similar to Amerovsky - where did it go? In general, as usual with respect to a soldier ahead of the rest.

    Another point: why give all production to one monopolist? This is also purely Russian. In Russia, for a long time there are good firms that develop tourist, mountain clothing and skiing. For example, Basque. It is necessary to make a tender (honest) and let the strongest win. Regarding production volumes, any good company can develop, and they can produce Ivanovo, Bryansk, etc. - there they will gladly sew as much as they want. In general, as usual, the project is in Russian .... :( Money is still worth it, but the efficiency is average.
  • Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 12 September 2013 21: 33 New
    0
    Oh state security maskers - it was smooth on paper. But let's just count them using the mother of all sciences - math.
    Suppose (I am theorizing) for one set (form + body kit), 50 thousand rubles are completely spent, and a certain amount, say 100 units, of industrial potential (test factories and others).
    In the Russian army I will wash over a million people. those. to provide each with only one set, how much does it take? The numbers are already big.
    We continue. It can be determined that there are three to four sizes, from small to gigantic - speaking abroad - S, M, L, XL. Even despite the fact that, on average, most fit into L and M, you still need to supply a certain number of sets of other sizes. So we increase the resulting figure by half.
    Given that the clothing has the ability to wear out - you need to proceed that two sets per person. those. multiply by two.
    It turns out that not only financial expenses should be in billions, but also labor costs - for the factory will not release more than its maximum. and now we add - that part of the funds will go to corruption and marriage in working hours.

    In order to, as many camouflagers put it, to provide at least two (summer - winter) forms, you need to already increase the results by one and a half times. But to be precise, you need three (summer-demi-season-winter) which will also lead to high costs.
    As you can see, everything is not so simple. But let's rejoice and hope that all the fighters will be dressed and shod at least in this uniform, and then disguise will come.

    P.S. I want to say that there is no pure white snow.
    1. builder
      builder 13 September 2013 00: 34 New
      +1
      In the Russian army I will wash over a million people. those. to provide each with only one set, how much does it take?

      The number of armed forces of the Russian Federation is 920 people. Minus the Navy, Navy, Air Force get about 000 people.
      We continue. It can be determined that there are three to four sizes from small to gigantic - speaking abroad - C, M, L, CL. Even despite the fact that, on average, most fit into L and M, you still need to supply a certain number of sets of other sizes. So we increase the resulting figure by half.

      No, take each size in a million.
      Given that the clothing has the ability to wear out - you need to proceed that two sets per person. those. multiply by two.

      No need to multiply by two. There is a concept-term socks and supply standards. Each item (except socks) is a minimum of one year.
      In order to, as many camouflagers put it, to provide at least two (summer - winter) forms, you need to already increase the results by one and a half times.
      There is generally hz
      But to be precise, you need three (summer-demi-season-winter)

      Let's be twenty. Something is wrong with your math.
      As you can see, everything is not so simple

      P.S. I want to say that there is no pure white snow.
      But this is a very deep thought.
    2. PSih2097
      PSih2097 13 September 2013 02: 19 New
      +1
      Quote: ShadowCat
      We continue. It can be determined that there are three to four sizes, from small to gigantic - speaking abroad - S, M, L, XL. Even despite the fact that, on average, most fit into L and M, you still need to supply a certain number of sets of other sizes. So we increase the resulting figure by half.

      do not forget that for each size S, M, L, XL (according to the standard size of NATO and their allies), there are standard sizes Short, Regular and Long ... Example XL Regular
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 12 September 2013 23: 28 New
    +2
    God grant that at least this time they did something really convenient and high-quality for the troops. And then, historically, especially since the time of Peter I and his "chicks", it is customary to profit from the commissary service, exclusively to the detriment of that "soldier's cattle" ...
    Give GOD something!
  • understudy
    understudy 13 September 2013 01: 09 New
    +1
    "An all-season set of basic uniforms will become an inventory item (the service life of such a set will be calculated for 3-5 years ..."
    _________________________________________________
    Complete crap. It seems that again, theorists who are far from service are calculating the term of wearing the uniform.
  • phase 711
    phase 711 13 September 2013 07: 00 New
    +1
    Boots and footcloths are better than socks and boots. I come from personal experience. This is my subjective opinion. In winter, we wore boots, and starting in spring, DG boots - bastards were called in everyday life. There are bows on the boots, and tea in a flask ... (not my rhyme), and of course Panama.
  • sergant89
    sergant89 13 September 2013 09: 32 New
    0
    [quote = rolik] And what does Chukchi winter clothing look like? everything is comfortable and spacious, and most importantly warm.[/ Quote]
    Yes, the clothes are warm but not just smell but stink to disgrace and get wet it still needs to be dried.
  • Cormorants
    Cormorants 13 September 2013 11: 50 New
    +1
    And what about the new form of belts? Damn shitty, without them an unpretentious form looks !!
  • 400
    400 14 September 2013 00: 19 New
    0
    Why argue, you can even wear an "invisibility cloak" or "invisibility cap" to dress an army. The question is, where to get so much money?
  • bublic82009
    bublic82009 14 September 2013 00: 33 New
    +2
    this whole set of clothes is very complicated. where will it be stored? I imagine how many individual elements of the form will be lost. and if we assume that the form is not for dancing, but for the field and dirt, then there will accordingly be damage. if there is a field exit, this means a campfire seat and there may be burnt clothing. Yes, a lot of things can be. It is suitable for officers and contractors. there is no conscript for a soldier.
    another aspect. here there are battles rain, sun, snow. Where will all the serviceman keep these items? unclear.
  • Serg 122
    Serg 122 14 September 2013 01: 58 New
    -1
    "An all-season set of basic uniforms will become an inventory item (the service life of such a set will be calculated for 3-5 years ..."
    _________________________________________________
    Complete crap. It seems that again, theorists who are far from service are calculating the term of wearing the uniform.

    So you continue, read on: At the end of the service, the soldiers will hand over the basic elements of the kit, which after cleaning will again be issued to recruits. what Oh how! That is 3-5 years is not enough - we washed and continue to wear !!! laughing
  • Serg 122
    Serg 122 14 September 2013 02: 19 New
    0
    In general, the idea is good. And we’ll find where to store it. Now they still give out Serdyukovskaya - with shoulder straps on the belly (although the minister is already different and the requirements for the uniform, too, are different)
  • serpimolot
    serpimolot 14 September 2013 14: 22 New
    +2
    Yes, but it was not so with us ...
    Real footcloths and boots, overcoat warm, warm,
    sense of duty and patriotism at the highest level good
  • Sobol
    Sobol 15 September 2013 21: 22 New
    +1
    "Gorka" is our everything!
  • -Dmitry-
    -Dmitry- 17 September 2013 11: 37 New
    +1
    And what about the figure "numbers" and left small-pixel? IMHO, a stupid drawing at a distance (and even very close to 50m.) Pixel drawings are not visible at all, and the form becomes just plain green. The meaning then in this "figure"? The figure is needed to split the silhouette of a person and make the camouflage pattern more universal. And with us, as always, everything went through the ass ...
  • AX
    AX 20 September 2013 05: 58 New
    0
    All this "splendor" in life turns into nothing. Until it reaches the troops, it will acquire mods and patches ...
    Yes, and in size to buy, it will be possible only in the store or at the merchants. Have already passed this. And more than once ...
  • Moore
    Moore 24 September 2013 16: 02 New
    0
    Dear colleagues, who has thoughts on calculating additional vehicles (machine races) required for transportation behind the unit (battalion / company) of all unused at the moment and in this place uniforms? I suppose, on the company - two additional machine flights with one KAMAZ. There is no business platoon company. It turns out, about 10 extra. flights to the battalion well, or idleness - an additional auto-platoon to the battalion.
  • Tanysh
    Tanysh 26 September 2013 16: 40 New
    0
    It is useless to comment on what has already been done. Not a single developer has gone through the march with a full load, and the opinion of specialists is being transformed towards a reduction in cost. The finished version is transformed towards "Theft", so when people turn to me for an opinion on the form (exchange or fitting), I always answer "Eat your own dumplings with hair "From experience, there is no better shape that you have adjusted by yourself. In terms of camouflage, new is well forgotten old. Soviet scientists conducted research on the perception of various types of camouflage, but no one needed it, everything that they did is perfectly used by amers and others. You can find an analysis of camouflage on the Internet. And they offer us all the dumplings with hair.
  • lisa_11378
    lisa_11378 30 September 2013 22: 53 New
    +1
    In the new form, the army is probably being reformed better, otherwise how else to explain the frequent transitions of uniforms.
  • artgrad
    artgrad 4 December 2013 23: 21 New
    0
    Damn and what kind of insanity to make winter winter green !! !! ??? Why not white-gray ....!? I understand that there are maskhalats, etc., but what for, summer green colors - in winter !? It would be more logical to differentiate by season: summer - green tones; autumn-spring - gray-brown-green or based on the local flora; winter - white-gray -...!
  • special
    special 2 September 2014 00: 31 New
    0
    Quote: tronin.maxim
    Well, thank God at least they left a hat with earflaps, but the footcloths are a pity, a cool, very useful thing!

    Ushanka with a new sample-full zh.pa! I would be the deb.la who designed it, would put it on it and let him walk on the Arbat with ears tied up — let the people scam! fool
  • Gunslinger
    Gunslinger 30 October 2014 21: 49 New
    0
    Our soldiers are already wearing new hats - it looks sucks. Soon, the officers with the contract soldiers will dress, we are already getting a new uniform from the warehouse.