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Livanov did not pull

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Napoleonic plans of representatives of the Ministry of Education and Science are gradually exposing their true face. And the true face of these plans was a well-known populism, apparently designed for the warm support (support for not knowing how to implement) the ideas of the Ministry of Education and Science from the so-called general public.


Livanov did not pull


However, about everything in order. The Ministry of Education and Science, headed by one of the most criticized ministers of the current Cabinet of Ministers, Dmitry Livanov, at one time presented plans that were based on the implementation of two state programs. These programs are “Development of science and technology”, as well as “Development of education”. Apparently, the adjective “state” to the noun “program” had a magical effect on the experts of the Ministry of Education and Science, and they went, as they say, to chop off their shoulders, issuing such promises that literally took millions of Russians from the spirit. Judge for yourself: representatives of the domestic Minobra announced that over the next five years they would eliminate queues at kindergartens; teachers' salaries will increase by exactly two times, making these salaries higher than the average for the regional economy; They will work to improve the efficiency of Russian universities, so that 2018 will include not two, but eight universities of the Russian Federation at once among the hundred of the world's best universities (why eight, not five, or not thirty-six ...). And that is not all. The department of Dmitry Livanov said they were going to quote a "sharply increase funding for research funds" - up to 1,77% of GDP.

It would seem that a bright future awaits our educational system - something similar to what is shown in the pictures from the booklets of some Jehovah's Witnesses, paradise life booklets: children smile, running barefoot in fragrant colors, adults rejoice, holding hands, singing birds, ears of bread, and even wild animals come out of the forest to show their radiant smile to the world instead of an animal grin. Apparently, the idea of ​​mass production of booklets approximately with such content was bearing on our educational ministry, declaring a “sharp” increase in the level of funding and a substantial increase in teacher salaries. It is not known for certain who or what Dmitry Livanov was witnessing when publishing plans, but these plans were truly stunning - clearly unearthly ...

The other day, these unearthly plans were decided to be discussed at the departmental board. At the same time, they were sharply criticized by representatives of various structures of the Russian authorities. And if the criticism from the deputy minister of finance was predictable, based on those stingy positions that the Ministry of Finance occupies (especially recently), then it is unlikely that you will call a criticism of the plans of the Ministry of Education and Science from the Duma’s duty officer. Vyacheslav Nikonov, who is the chairman of the education committee of the lower house of the Russian parliament, said that the program of the Ministry of Education and Science did not match the adopted budget, since the budget provides for a reduction in the level of financing of the educational sphere only in 2013 by 1% of GDP.

Even more surprising is the criticism of the program from the representatives of the Ministry of Education and Science. At the board, the floor was taken by the representative of the Department of Strategy, Analysis and Forecast of Minobra Anna Hamardyuk. She said that it is unacceptable to go the way of increasing the salaries of school teachers, as this will inevitably lead to a decrease in the budget for preschool institutions, because schools and kindergartens are now funded as a single line from regional budgets. Ms. Khamardyuk noted that today the salary increase for kindergarten workers took place only in 4 Russian regions (Kurgan, Kursk, Tver and Tyumen regions), and in order to raise all regions of our vast country, it would be necessary to allocate additional funds, which, of course, expenditure budget is not provided.

The head of the presidential department for scientific and educational policy, Alexander Hlunov, also took the floor at the college. He said that it is not at all necessary to oblige the regions to allocate a certain percentage of funds from the budget to education: they say that the governors themselves know perfectly well where and what holes should be plugged with budget funds, and therefore let them decide whether to raise wages to teachers and kindergarten teachers or not to raise. An interesting thought, isn't it ... And what kind of governor after this (if he is not in front of an election line) decides to use regional budget billions for a twofold increase in teacher salaries? The question is, of course, rhetorical ...

In general, they talked a lot and for a long time. No principal agreements were reached at the collegium, but at the end of the meeting the head of the Ministry of Education and Science announced that he would, of course, consider all the proposals ... Consider the “proposals” to Livanov, obviously, will have to be at an accelerated pace, since he will have a meeting with deputies in the Duma meeting hall, where he is full of fans (one was forced to leave the committee on education, deputy Vladimir Burmatov, with his systematic criticism of the work of Livanov personally and the entire Ministry of Education and Science in tsen th; and there are more and Sergei Mironov, said recently that Livanov should "kick out" with his law "On Education"). In general, Dmitry Livanov will have a hard time at the “Parliamentary hour”.

Returning to the collegial discussion of the plans of the Ministry of Education and Science about the "sharp rises" and other things, it is impossible not to notice some oddities: the employees of the educational ministry themselves throw the plans to the masses, and then criticize them themselves, collecting for this meeting and arranging disputes. This may indicate either that the ministry today is full of confusion and vacillation, and a certain part of its high-ranking employees are completely unfamiliar with the expenditure part of the adopted budget - once, and with each other - two, or that the Ministry of Education and Science decided to play into universal generosity, initially understanding that things will not go further than populism: they say that we are good - we wanted the best, this is the Ministry of Finance is bad ...

Whatever it was, but it all resembles a large performance in several acts with numerous intermissions. First comes the main character (performed almost by the people's artist Dmitry Livanov) and declares that we are cheerful, cheerful and generous - teachers will be given weighty salaries, we eliminate liquidity lines in kindergartens (at least without the liquidation of children ...), universities will unwind so that the best world hundred will precipitate. Then - the first intermission. In the second action, the employees of the Ministry of Education and Science suddenly look into the expenditure items of the budget and see that the plans voiced by them, to put it mildly, are not taken into account. (Oh, horror!) The second intermission. The third action is going to the board, which includes, inter alia, those very representatives of the educational ministry, and says that the Ministry of Education and Science should be more modest, since an increase in spending on one may hurt others. The third intermission. To be continued…

At the same time, it is somehow not entirely clear what prevented the officials from the Ministry of Education and Science from initially conferring with a wide circle, looking into the budget and not rushing over through unfulfilled promises. After all, many teachers really believed that their salary would start rushing upwards at an amazing pace, and many parents believed that the pace of construction of kindergartens in the country would block the pace of construction of summer cottages and cottages of officials of different levels ...

Now, citizens are led to the fact that the Ministry of Education has undertaken unfulfilled commitments (he would have supposedly fulfilled them, but, you know, there is no money in the budget for their implementation), and we should be ready for everyone: "Residual" queues in kindergartens, and to reduce the financing of science, and to fix the salaries of teachers (so as not to fatten ...) and to other unplanned items. In general, the hulk of plans will have to be adjusted.
I wonder if the employees of the Ministry of Education and Science managed to raise their salaries twice and eliminate the queues in kindergartens for their children, grandchildren and nephews, to realize at least partially their plans? ..
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  1. Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 12 September 2013 08: 03 New
    -1
    Livanov acts in the style of fiery Bolsheviks - we will destroy the whole world to the foundation and on it
    the wreckage we’ll build a new one.
    1. JIaIIoTb
      JIaIIoTb 12 September 2013 08: 17 New
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      Destroyers cannot create. Destroyers love destruction itself, which destroys them perpendicularly and in parallel. But the creators love their creation, it is necessary to look for such people in the ministerial posts. And then maybe everything will be fine with us.
      1. washi
        washi 12 September 2013 13: 57 New
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        And will you become the Minister of Education?
        Just need to restore the Soviet system. Take away from Academics the right to dispose of state. property of your own mind (how much of one land sold). Instead of colleges, create normal vocational schools, where enterprises must prepare workers for themselves (owners of enterprises would rather buy a yacht than fork out). Destroy most of the universities that give diplomas instead of education? Introduce uniform free textbooks for the entire school (let the owners of printing houses and textbook developers hang themselves).
        If you agree: inform. We will organize a support group
        Who else wants to become the Minister of Education, please contact.
        I retired. There is a lot of time. We will break through. But who does not live up to expectations .....
        There is not only an enemy of the people. There is also the concept of an enemy family member
        1. Uhe
          Uhe 12 September 2013 17: 19 New
          +1
          I agree. I will add. The Soviet system was only as effective as the purges among the leadership. That is, anyone, even a simple worker, could become a high leader, if he knew his business, but he could fly off his place just as quickly, and a new one would take his place. The officials in their places did not stay too long, could not grow into a chair with roots, therefore they worked in good conscience, but unscrupulous ones ... And what else to do with unscrupulous people? Only reeducate.

          When the periodic links ceased, the self-purification of both the party and the system of councils ceased, everything went downhill.

          Here, an article was read by German Sadulayev, with whom I completely agree, therefore, instead of writing myself, I will simply give a link: http://svpressa.ru/society/article/74011/.
        2. Andrei shit
          Andrei shit 12 September 2013 20: 47 New
          0
          I completely agree ! I respect
      2. Uhe
        Uhe 12 September 2013 17: 14 New
        +3
        That is, one who for many years can not find a min. the positions of just such people, suddenly he will take up the mind and begin to search? ;) Or, maybe you are not proposing to begin with that?
    2. anip
      anip 12 September 2013 09: 12 New
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      Quote: Lech from ZATULINKI
      Livanov acts in the style of fiery Bolsheviks - we will destroy the whole world to the ground and build a new one on its ruins.

      The Bolsheviks were given to you. Well, they really built it. And since 1991, something construction is not visible, at present, only the pulling apart of the wreckage of the USSR.
    3. DEfindER
      DEfindER 12 September 2013 11: 51 New
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      Quote: Lech from ZATULINKI
      Livanov acts in the style of fiery Bolsheviks - we will destroy the whole world to the foundation and on it
      the wreckage we’ll build a new one.

      In fact, the Bolsheviks just kept R.A.N., and paid great attention to its development! And by education, they removed only church education, and significantly strengthened the secular, making it the best in the world!
      "The Russians defeated us at the school desk" D.F. Kennedy
    4. washi
      washi 12 September 2013 13: 41 New
      +3
      Quote: Lech from ZATULINKI
      Livanov acts in the style of fiery Bolsheviks - we will destroy the whole world to the foundation and on it
      the wreckage we’ll build a new one.

      Do not confuse the mercenaries of Western capital and the Bolsheviks.
      Read the works of Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky, etc.
    5. Uhe
      Uhe 12 September 2013 17: 12 New
      +5
      The Bolsheviks built the country in 20 years, and after another 8 crushed the ridge of the strongest army in the whole world. And what has Livanov and his patrons done over these 20 years, having inherited everything that the Bolsheviks created? Nothing except destruction. So please do not compare even with fiery ones. The Lebanese comrades are not worthy of this.

      Some Western scholars call the first Bolshevik Peter 1. This comparison is partly suitable, but the current one ... swims and does not sink, as it should be.
    6. GREAT RUSSIA
      GREAT RUSSIA 12 September 2013 18: 57 New
      +3
      Quote: Lech from ZATULINKI
      Livanov acts in the style of fiery Bolsheviks - we will destroy the whole world to the foundation and on it
      the wreckage we’ll build a new one.

      Actually, the Bolsheviks built everything. And now, from the 90s, we have the Beloviks, who are destroying and robbing everything. Imagine how much the Bolsheviks have built that for 20 years thieves, who have no number, have robbed everyone and could not plunder half. There will come a day when all these thieves are sent to prisons and executed, everyone will be rebuilt again and RUSSIA will again become GREAT POWER.
  2. ziqzaq
    ziqzaq 12 September 2013 08: 04 New
    14
    To drive Livanov to hell is the most important and the best "program" ....
    1. Ulysses
      Ulysses 12 September 2013 08: 46 New
      11
      Yeah, the minimum program.
      And the program is "maximum", put in prison for five years for its "transformation".
    2. Lapotnik
      Lapotnik 12 September 2013 15: 18 New
      +4
      Will not work. Dimons are like the heads of a snake - you chop off, and there are more of them. Here it is necessary to burn to the full "elite" and "intelligentsia". The article shows correctly - criticism after the fact, and what kind of one - we need to cut the budget, and how and how we live will not ... excite. And before that, what place did you think?

      Dimon (s) as such horseradish from the hill, dancing to the tune, take it away, but the shit experts will remain and advisers and other "managers", etc. etc., HSE, Rusnano, Gozmans ... here it IS NECESSARY TO BURN WITH A FEMALE IRON. and dimons, this is so, mongrels at the beck and call of the oligarchy.
  3. svp67
    svp67 12 September 2013 08: 14 New
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    This "person" fulfills a certain "ORDER" and I am sorry that my grandchildren will no longer be able to learn "Soviet ..."
    1. Max otto
      Max otto 12 September 2013 09: 32 New
      +9
      Yes, what order? Look at his face, he’s just stupid by nature, he doesn’t pull at all. There, throughout the ministry of plans, the scammers are lying around in the corners from the former ministers, read, trying to do something unreasonable there, but due to the inherent stupidity of the good, nothing works. He came to the chief iPhone and said: “Hey, I don’t know what to do, they pinned me and asked me to do something, but I don’t know, help me!” And the iPhone is also very busy, takes care of the Motherland in 3 shifts, so that he would quickly give up on him, google on the Internet, print it out and give him: "Do it, kid!"
      1. Sibiryak
        Sibiryak 12 September 2013 10: 18 New
        +4
        Quote: Max Otto
        Look at his face, he’s just stupid by nature, he doesn’t pull at all.

        Just flies do not fly, but stupid by nature are in another place, but not in the government! This gifted minister has another task, for the implementation of which he needs to change his head with the middle part of the body.
        1. Max otto
          Max otto 12 September 2013 10: 27 New
          +4
          There are enough dull people by nature in the government, they are loyal and executive. True, they belong to the category - active dypak - and this is a disaster. I am personally familiar with such workers in one ministry and one now acting Minister here in Belarus. In Russia, things are no better with managers.
          1. Sibiryak
            Sibiryak 12 September 2013 11: 01 New
            +2
            Max otto
            If this character makes not popular decisions, this does not mean that he is stupid, but that he is faithful and executive, I agree with you. Know who is betrayed, everything will fall into place!
            1. Max otto
              Max otto 12 September 2013 11: 42 New
              +5
              I just want to clarify what I mean by “dumb”. Let him know how to solve at least biquadratic equations in his mind, but if he does not have strategic thinking, and he does not see the situation beyond his own nose, then for the level of the minister he is stupid. For example, Shoigu is not a military man, but he understands what needs to be done and where to move. Lavrov in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is clearly a man in his place and is pulling the whole service. The leader does not have to understand the essence of the issue himself, for this he has a staff of specialists (by the way, he must also select the skill), but the leader should set the direction and strategic line. And they are clearly loyal to someone - someone who has promoted to work. Maybe Dad asked for Livanov, and maybe Abramovich, who knows? I understand one thing for sure - this one will not be prescribed without patronage.
              1. Sibiryak
                Sibiryak 12 September 2013 12: 02 New
                +2
                Max otto
                Your position is not so difficult to understand even from your first post, but the person we are talking about, if you can call it that, is a simple hired worker only in the rank of minister and appointed him there, just for the simple reason - thirst for power and money, and he laid down the rest. Therefore, he "stupidly" them and fulfills walking on their heads, embodying other people's ideas. Such people are called opportunists and believe me they know exactly what is good and what is bad, and it’s very difficult to call such fools.
                1. Max otto
                  Max otto 12 September 2013 13: 49 New
                  +1
                  In general, our thoughts converge hi . But are they not fools, putting the profit above state interests? Menshikov, with Orlov and Potemkin, the infection, stole not childishly, but brought benefits not measured.
      2. washi
        washi 12 September 2013 13: 58 New
        +1
        And will you become the Minister of Education?
        Just need to restore the Soviet system. Take away from Academics the right to dispose of state. property of your own mind (how much of one land sold). Instead of colleges, create normal vocational schools, where enterprises must prepare workers for themselves (owners of enterprises would rather buy a yacht than fork out). Destroy most of the universities that give diplomas instead of education? Introduce uniform free textbooks for the entire school (let the owners of printing houses and textbook developers hang themselves).
        If you agree: inform. We will organize a support group
        Who else wants to become the Minister of Education, please contact.
        I retired. There is a lot of time. We will break through. But who does not live up to expectations .....
        There is not only an enemy of the people. There is also the concept of an enemy family member
    2. Airman
      Airman 12 September 2013 12: 31 New
      +4
      Quote: svp67
      This "person" fulfills a certain "ORDER" and I am sorry that my grandchildren will no longer be able to learn "Soviet ..."

      And the queues will end in kindergartens, because they will not give birth with such a life, and if there are no children, then the kindergartens can be closed.
    3. Uhe
      Uhe 12 September 2013 17: 26 New
      +2
      Search and download Soviet textbooks from the Web and learn from them. The only way.
  4. treskoed
    treskoed 12 September 2013 08: 20 New
    +6
    I wonder if the employees of the Ministry of Education and Science managed to raise their salaries twice and eliminate the queues in kindergartens for their children, grandchildren and nephews, to realize at least partially their plans? ..

    I suppose we had time. Livanov and Serdyukov are twin brothers, soon there will probably be new house arrests.
  5. omsbon
    omsbon 12 September 2013 08: 20 New
    +9
    Damn, reformer triple! They played out the reforms to the point that a school graduate could not answer the question when the Second World War began.
    1. Sibiryak
      Sibiryak 12 September 2013 10: 19 New
      0
      Quote: omsbon
      Damn, reformer triple!

      I would call him a saboteur nothing more!
    2. Airman
      Airman 12 September 2013 12: 58 New
      +2
      Quote: omsbon
      Damn, reformer triple! They played out the reforms to the point that a school graduate could not answer the question when the Second World War began.

      What can I say if in the history textbook about the Battle of Stalingrad only three lines are written, or rather, it is simply mentioned. There are rumors in the corners that advisors from over the hill, including the notorious Soros Foundation, “helped” write the history of Russia.
      1. washi
        washi 12 September 2013 13: 59 New
        +1
        And will you become the Minister of Education?
        Just need to restore the Soviet system. Take away from Academics the right to dispose of state. property of your own mind (how much of one land sold). Instead of colleges, create normal vocational schools, where enterprises must prepare workers for themselves (owners of enterprises would rather buy a yacht than fork out). Destroy most of the universities that give diplomas instead of education? Introduce uniform free textbooks for the entire school (let the owners of printing houses and textbook developers hang themselves).
        If you agree: inform. We will organize a support group
        Who else wants to become the Minister of Education, please contact.
        I retired. There is a lot of time. We will break through. But who does not live up to expectations .....
        There is not only an enemy of the people. There is also the concept of an enemy family member
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 12 September 2013 15: 50 New
          +4
          Quote: Vasya
          And will you become the Minister of Education?


          Vasya! If I lived in Russia, I would go! I have experience from work in kindergarten, school, institute, RONO. I know all this vertical. And I'm not afraid of responsibility! But alas!
        2. Max otto
          Max otto 12 September 2013 19: 12 New
          +1
          To head the ministry, you need to work there (in the sense in the education system), then work at least as a deputy. Therefore, your proposal is not serious. And in the country there are teachers and not bullshit academics, there are!
  6. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 12 September 2013 08: 27 New
    10
    The army with the military-industrial complex has already been "reformed" almost destroyed and plundered .. Now they’ve taken the souls of our children ..
  7. kostik1301
    kostik1301 12 September 2013 08: 38 New
    +4
    Yes, Mr. Livanov - a Cossack, he is "mishandled" like our government, it is not known whose interests he defends.
  8. Nitarius
    Nitarius 12 September 2013 08: 39 New
    +8
    can chip in to everyone and SHOOT EVERYONE IN MINE-EDUCATION.
    You can’t call anything else anymore. Livanova should be sent to schools and given to parents for SAMOSUD
    1. My address
      My address 12 September 2013 09: 20 New
      +1
      Thought sound.

      More than two advantages I can not.

      Guys! Let's make a fly out of flying com. company (captain)!

      Tankers-colleagues, all who are!
    2. washi
      washi 12 September 2013 13: 59 New
      -1
      And will you become the Minister of Education?
      Just need to restore the Soviet system. Take away from Academics the right to dispose of state. property of your own mind (how much of one land sold). Instead of colleges, create normal vocational schools, where enterprises must prepare workers for themselves (owners of enterprises would rather buy a yacht than fork out). Destroy most of the universities that give diplomas instead of education? Introduce uniform free textbooks for the entire school (let the owners of printing houses and textbook developers hang themselves).
      If you agree: inform. We will organize a support group
      Who else wants to become the Minister of Education, please contact.
      I retired. There is a lot of time. We will break through. But who does not live up to expectations .....
      There is not only an enemy of the people. There is also the concept of an enemy family member
  9. Asgard
    Asgard 12 September 2013 08: 40 New
    +5
    Yes, criticism in power ....., scourges itself))))))))
    Fools in power can not do anything, it was necessary at school not to study "troika" ....
    and even more so do not go into what you do not understand .....
    I think the time for realization is coming.

    -No people should be led by "slaves .....", let them plow the land, and not talk in the Kremlin with their tongues))))
  10. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 12 September 2013 08: 41 New
    +7
    Livanov did not pull ..- it is good that bureaucratic souls began to realize this, otherwise Livanov would drag all science and education into the swamp ... angry
  11. kudma
    kudma 12 September 2013 08: 52 New
    +5
    I would have broken his nose
  12. Egoza
    Egoza 12 September 2013 09: 10 New
    14
    An amazing deal! There is never enough money for salaries for teachers, educators, and doctors!
    And it can cut salaries and bonuses to deputies and officials. As well as the benefits provided to them and their families? You look, and the necessary amount would run up. fellow
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 12 September 2013 09: 42 New
      +8
      Quote: Egoza
      And it can cut salaries and bonuses to deputies and officials. As well as the benefits provided to them and their families? You look, and the necessary amount would run up.

      I think that to begin with, the number of deputies and officials needs to be cut. Council of Federation, for example. What does he do? Absolutely unnecessary body, a place where retired governors and officials who get stolen and need to be imprisoned receive parliamentary immunity, and here, it seems, as in the case. DG - easily and without consequences, you can reduce interest by 70. Leave only professionals, and athletes and artists - on tinned rest. In general, reserves are inexhaustible.
    2. Reserve buildbat
      Reserve buildbat 12 September 2013 15: 02 New
      +3
      You can not do it this way. Even if you cut the salaries of deputies, ministers, etc. by 25%, the budget surplus will be 120%. And where will we put the money? In the banks to salt? Al in barrels to ferment? smile
    3. maklaut007
      maklaut007 12 September 2013 23: 49 New
      0
      Once the father-in-law paid salaries in shares. Father-in-law died, many things fell apart. But stock reports are constantly coming. And then I decided to see what is there. Ohrenel. In short, an energy company from eastern Siberia. The income for the year is 14 billion rubles. TRANSFER BY THE ORDER OF MEDVEDEV, SKOLKOVO 13 billion rubles. 1 billion at the disposal of the board of the company. The rest is 0,0001 rubles per share. That's where the money is for both doctors and educators. Their dima also steals with the help of a nanochubais and a promissory note into state accounts. So there are hundreds of such companies in Russia.
  13. pensioner
    pensioner 12 September 2013 09: 15 New
    +3
    Livanov did not pull

    Better yet, so as not to last.
    1. My address
      My address 12 September 2013 09: 38 New
      +3
      Comrade Marshal!

      I ask you to pack up Nitarius (see above) two plus points for courage! Here and in PM.

      Good morning wish.
      And we are not afraid of dirt in accordance with the past holiday.
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 12 September 2013 09: 59 New
        +3
        Good afternoon, Alexander! Yes, I already ... At the moment, I’m eyeing a reliable killer without bad habits and with my tool.
        1. My address
          My address 12 September 2013 10: 13 New
          +1
          Greetings, Yuri!
          Your comment is great!
        2. Reserve buildbat
          Reserve buildbat 12 September 2013 15: 03 New
          +4
          Hi, Yura. And did you call me intolerant ???? hi
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 12 September 2013 16: 26 New
            +1
            Hello Vanya! I'm not going to myself ....
        3. grafrozow
          grafrozow 12 September 2013 22: 10 New
          +2
          Quote: retired
          . At the moment, I look after a reliable killer without bad habits and with my tool.
          I agree, I have a vacation in a month.
  14. My address
    My address 12 September 2013 09: 16 New
    12
    I repeat.

    A conversation between two homeless people:
    - And to me this one, which is Lyavanov, well, this one, from Myadvedjavski, well, to the gut.
    - So what?
    - And he, this, well, just like me, abrasive hates.
  15. Hort
    Hort 12 September 2013 09: 26 New
    +3
    imprison him. Together with half the ministry for such a law
  16. Sergeant
    Sergeant 12 September 2013 10: 16 New
    +2
    Let the "reforms" fail (fail ... until). Russian education is already suffocated. Why does Russia need quality education? - Not allowed!
    "The pace of construction of summer houses and cottages for officials of various levels" is strictly observed (everything is according to the plan for the collapse of the economy).

    "... did the employees of the Ministry of Education and Science manage to double their salaries? ..."
    Yes, probably, the State Department has already pleased them with this.
    I really hope that maybe not all!
  17. Bob
    Bob 12 September 2013 10: 17 New
    +8
    "... and to fixing teachers' salaries (so as not to fatten ...)"
    You can’t rely on teachers' salaries:
    1 assistant rate at the university - 5500r
    1 head teacher position - 7500r
    1 docent's rate - 12000r
    1 professor's rate - 15000r
    And these "beggars" with their pockets (but not with their spirit) believe that they are only concerned with one thing - making ends meet (someone earns another 1 bet, doctors do the same). However, the remaining enthusiasm (Soviet hardening, whoever had it) is spent on the educational process, science. Well, the "beggars" cannot be an example for the younger generation, so that the crowd rushed into science, and without science, as you know, breakthrough technologies do not exist.
    Conclusion: saving on education and reducing the share of expenditures relative to GDP, the country is preparing for the future its technological backwardness, staff illiteracy, and lack of competitiveness for many decades. It is the state’s financial policy, and not at all the loud statements of officials from the reinstatement, that clearly illustrates the priorities set, among which, unfortunately, there is no powerful education.
    1. bya965
      bya965 12 September 2013 11: 12 New
      +4
      Quote: Bob
      You can’t rely on teachers' salaries:
      1 assistant rate at the university - 5500r
      1 head teacher position - 7500r
      1 docent's rate - 12000r
      1 professor's rate - 15000r

      Since September 1, all premiums for the position, for the degree (candidate + 3 thousand, doctor + 7 thousand), for the title have been formally added to the rates. And formally, salaries have become larger.

      At the Saratov University in October, the average salary on the website of the Ministry of Education and Science was 29 thousand, although the salary was approximately 27 thousand for the department head, 22 thousand for the professor, 12 thousand for the senior lecturer, 9 thousand for the senior, and 8 thousand for the assistant. students + RRFI donated money for grants for 9 months only in August (they went to pay in October), leased business contracts there, officials wrote themselves big bonuses for the last academic year and divided it by the number of teachers. I think further, the average salary will grow in the same way.

      Education should be the most conservative in society, since several generations of whom are taught and who teach (they were taught before) go through debugging. There should be full succession. And in high and high school, every year new rules, new programs, and a bunch of papers that in no way affect knowledge and skills.
  18. aszzz888
    aszzz888 12 September 2013 10: 46 New
    +6
    and there is also Sergey Mironov, who recently stated that Livanov must be "driven into the neck" along with his law "On Education"). In general, Dmitry Livanov will have a hard time at the “Parliamentary Hour”.


    Yes, when will this bright day come, when they will trample on the middle broom of this minister!
    This gr.bannaya mine in slow motion sits in his chair, and like water off a goose.
    How much more can his patriots endure?
    Who can answer?
  19. Aney
    Aney 12 September 2013 11: 33 New
    +6
    Livanov and his team surrender to me just the very agents of influence and there are those who are so fond of catching by our "patriotic" fellow citizens ... But the question is, how did this wonderful team find its place in the Russian government? Or will they later talk about Chubais and the CIA?
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 12 September 2013 11: 57 New
      +5
      Quote: aszzz888
      How much more can his patriots endure?
      Who can answer?
      I can - will have to endure until the overwhelming majority of the country's citizens realize that Livanov is not fooling on his own, but on the instructions of his superiors, who determine, in accordance with part 3 of Article 80 of the Constitution, the main directions of politics.

      Quote: Aney
      But the question is, how did this wonderful team find a place in the government of the Russian Federation?
      And like this laughing

      1. Aney
        Aney 12 September 2013 12: 24 New
        +1
        You mean that ... stop hinting here ... right now, the "patriots" of minuses will instruct you.
        1. Aney
          Aney 12 September 2013 12: 28 New
          +4
          Oh, and I forgot, they don’t like to comment on these inconvenient publications ... They convict Navalny ... Kirov stole the forest ... One army robbed and silence, the other undermines the very foundations of the development of a competent civilized society and nothing ...
          1. Russ69
            Russ69 12 September 2013 21: 49 New
            +1
            Quote: Aney
            Oh, and I forgot, they don’t like to comment on these inconvenient publications ... They convict Navalny ... Kirov stole the forest ... One army robbed and silence, the other undermines the very foundations of the development of a competent civilized society and nothing ...

            Well, why, personally, I will be glad if Serdyukov, Livanov, and even some of the government and Navalny share one camera.
      2. Karabin
        Karabin 12 September 2013 22: 20 New
        +1
        I am amazed at your patience, Yarosvet. You are not tired of poking your nose into the documents of those who believe that the bad ministers were sent to us by the State Department, Zionists and Martians. It is obviously useless. Tomorrow, let’s say, Volodin will write an article about Dvorkovich and Zumrud, and the same people to whom your colorful post is addressed will again drag out a song about the mighty State Department, the swanky Zionists and the invincible 5th column.
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 13 September 2013 01: 46 New
          0
          Quote: Karabin
          You are not tired of poking your nose into the documents of those who believe that the bad ministers were sent to us by the State Department, Zionists and Martians.
          laughing
          In fact, this saves a lot of time, since it is much easier to blur the screen than justify with the links and quotes from the Constitution the wisdom of their writings.

          Then - it’s all the same something is postponed in the subcortex, and since these geniuses are lazy and would rather listen to Fedorov’s chatter, rather than bother reading the Constitution, even if they read it.
  20. 1961NNN
    1961NNN 12 September 2013 11: 53 New
    +5
    And who appointed such ministers ?! Here is the answer about “agents of influence”! They have been sitting in the KREMLIN for a long time !!!!
  21. michajlo
    michajlo 12 September 2013 12: 08 New
    +4
    Quote: anip Today is 09:12
    Quote: Lech from ZATULINKI
    Livanov acts in the style of fiery Bolsheviks - we will destroy the whole world to the ground and build a new one on its ruins.

    The Bolsheviks were given to you. Well, they really built it. And since 1991, something construction is not visible, at present, only the pulling apart of the wreckage of the USSR.

    Good afternoon, dear Yuri!
    Fully agree with you. good

    But to begin with, it is necessary that in Russia and in all the post-USSR (Belarus already exists), ONE IRON rule for managers and deputies of all levels / including the Kremlin and other high / "frontal" places:
    - REFORM planning and implementation = equals Act of Wrecking
    - = with criminal liability for Treason,
    - with confiscation of all property of the reformer and his relatives
    - with a ban on him and his family for 20 years to work in state institutions!


    But for this, from the reformers and patriots, first of all, it is necessary to clean the Kremlin and the Lubyanka.

    Otherwise always the same thing everywhere, only the heroes of expensive (for taxpayers) "plays" will change (with the preservation of ALL privileges, allowances, pensions and stolen property).
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  23. Alexkorzun
    Alexkorzun 12 September 2013 13: 37 New
    +1
    to the wall, nafig !!!
  24. Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 12 September 2013 13: 47 New
    +7
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    1. Aney
      Aney 12 September 2013 14: 04 New
      +5
      They are criminals ... This is understandable to every person free from a zomboyaschik ...
  25. Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 12 September 2013 13: 49 New
    +6
    sucks that they don’t immediately “shoot us”, but give us a chance to steer, get rid of, prove that it’s a complete zero, and only then - to the wall ... it’s expensive to investigate the idiocy of applicants
  26. washi
    washi 12 September 2013 14: 00 New
    +2
    And will you become the Minister of Education?
    Just need to restore the Soviet system. Take away from Academics the right to dispose of state. property of your own mind (how much of one land sold). Instead of colleges, create normal vocational schools, where enterprises must prepare workers for themselves (owners of enterprises would rather buy a yacht than fork out). Destroy most of the universities that give diplomas instead of education? Introduce uniform free textbooks for the entire school (let the owners of printing houses and textbook developers hang themselves).
    If you agree: inform. We will organize a support group
    Who else wants to become the Minister of Education, please contact.
    I retired. There is a lot of time. We will break through. But who does not live up to expectations .....
    There is not only an enemy of the people. There is also the concept of an enemy family member
  27. bemsy
    bemsy 12 September 2013 14: 01 New
    +6
    In MISIS, where Livanov came from, they really "doubled" the salaries of teachers twice, while removing the allowances. It turned out + - the same amount, but now they will report to the top.
  28. michajlo
    michajlo 12 September 2013 14: 30 New
    +3
    Quote: Vasya
    And will you become the Minister of Education?
    Just need to restore the Soviet system. Take away from Academics the right to dispose of state. property of your own mind (how much of one land sold). Instead of colleges, create normal vocational schools, where enterprises must prepare workers for themselves (owners of enterprises would rather buy a yacht than fork out). Destroy most of the universities that give diplomas instead of education? Introduce uniform free textbooks for the entire school (let the owners of printing houses and textbook developers hang themselves).
    If you agree: inform. We will organize a support group
    Who else wants to become the Minister of Education, please contact.
    I retired. There is a lot of time. We will break through. But who does not live up to expectations .....
    There is not only an enemy of the people. There is also the concept of an enemy family member

    Good afternoon, dear Vasily!
    I completely agree with you. good I’ll write more to you in the mail than I can help, so that I can finally move on from words to certain matters, albeit in small steps, but not to do verbiage. smile
    Probably you should not repeat your notes. Serious and thoughtful people lament carefully and so on. Well, for the cheers-patriots, men "from Saturday night or morning hangover", as well as to "gentlemen who are here on the site" in the line of duty ", this is all to nothing, as the saying goes" standing in front of pigs scattering peas. "
    Sincerely, Mikhailo. good
  29. mak210
    mak210 12 September 2013 14: 42 New
    11
    I myself teach at a technical Moscow federal university. Raising salaries is a good thing, only something is not visible. I am an assistant professor, a candidate, I get about 20 thousand rubles. clean, only reported to the Ministry for 49 thousand. Just took a figure from the ceiling? The average age of faculty comes close to 60, young people cannot be delayed for such salaries. It is possible that with the increase in the base rate, they will simply cut off the non-budgetary allowances, leaving the amount unchanged.

    Option two: with bloody gebna we had 3 vice-rectors, now 12 and even heads of 10 departments with salaries for 100 thousand. Probably they forgot where they are: we must teach, and not endless certificates, compile and undergo periodic licensing.

    They graduated bachelors according to the standards of the 2nd generation (license), now they go to the 3rd (license), and on the 4th (not to be confused with fighters!). The only difference is the ever-increasing amount of useless papers that no one will ever read. Remember: “We put wooden bearings, still no one reads”, this is about us. What's the point?

    There is another point: we teach students using ancient equipment, as an example I show everyone the scales of 1953, they found Stalin’s grandfather! Shame on you! They don’t allocate money, and if they donate, then it is necessary to declare a tender, and I must organize it. But they didn’t teach me that. And suppliers categorically refuse: there is a bank guarantee, payment with serious delays, and they don’t want to mess with the meager amounts of 50-100 thousand in their terms.

    It comes to complete insanity. A tender was announced for brooms (yes, yes, brooms for cleaners), the company supplied them to the entire university, so, according to management, it’s cheaper. Our branch in Bashkiria sent a car to Moscow, gas to and fro, a driver’s business trip, his salary. The brooms turned out to be golden, but who cares? But the form is fully observed.

    And you would see who we take for training under contracts ... morons and oligophrenics, completely untrained and with zero initial knowledge. I am surprised that the rocket generally detached from the table and exploded only in the air. To expel? Will Pushkin pay me a salary? You take a little bite, shame, and put the trunks, I need to feed my family, every day moreover.
    1. michajlo
      michajlo 12 September 2013 21: 26 New
      +2
      mak210 SU Today, 14:42
      Good evening, dear Sergey!
      You are completely right, the position of true teachers, researchers is simply unbearable!
      And how many “sensible heads” left universities, sciences, so that they could just live / not die of hunger. I have long left the university walls, but sometimes I talk with classmates who are already associate professors or deans (Chernivtsi, medical institute and university), so I’m dumb about the "high achievements of the Ministry of Education and Science" in Ukraine, and now you have added mosaic across Russia.
      A quality and effective the Soviet system of education and science, intentionally broke.
      You just need to stop and look around, BROKEN WITH REFORMED, everything that was GOOD and WORKED: education, science, healthcare, child care, after school, old, sick people without relatives, and much more. am
      A socialist model of education, science, job security after high school, college, health, we were envied by ALL people from the West, who saw or heard about them in the USSR or the police department.
      The reason for the BROKEN / reform was that Soviet systems were created for the PEOPLE and the COUNTRY, and now all these systems SHOULD MAKE PROFIT to their owners а we are all ordinary inhabitants and taxpayers - only an "object of entrepreneurial interest", with all the ensuing consequences.
      And the questions of daily survival have long been faced by many normal and complete families, and not just drunkards or carriages.

      So what kind of "final stop", we all have prepared our e.e. “Sons of the people”, “Guarantors” - any thinking person can easily document it. angry
      I wish you all good luck in everything, do not give up! good
    2. michajlo
      michajlo 14 September 2013 00: 06 New
      0
      Good evening, dear Sergey!

      I also found a picture to your words. A sad background however turns out ... no
      1. michajlo
        michajlo 14 September 2013 00: 25 New
        0
        Sorry, the mistake was ...
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  30. Alex66
    Alex66 12 September 2013 15: 56 New
    +2
    Russia’s misfortune is irresponsibility, because Livanov set good goals, 8 Russian universities are among the 100 best in the world, to eliminate queues in kindergartens, increase teachers' salaries, everyone will probably agree with that, BUT ... If he is his deputies, authors by the due date reforms should leave state work forever and go to compensate for the damage caused by Russia to the logging (there may be options).
    But Livanov then knows perfectly well that he is an RESPONSIBLE person in the full sense of the word.
  31. tank64rus
    tank64rus 12 September 2013 16: 24 New
    +9
    The guys at the CIA don’t know where else to hang their orders for one Serdyukov, they probably got a bunch, now for Livanov. Why steal military secrets if others work for them in the collapse of Russia.
  32. kosopooz77
    kosopooz77 12 September 2013 16: 44 New
    +4
    Some say that the so-called “Dulles plan” is just a “duck.” But, looking at the actions of the native minobra, it seems: no! The plan works! And it works clearly, unfortunately.
    1. Uhe
      Uhe 12 September 2013 17: 27 New
      +5
      Not just Dulles. They implement Hitler’s plan. All in one to one that wrote this possessed villain.
  33. alone
    alone 12 September 2013 18: 39 New
    +3
    However, first things first. The Ministry of Education and Science, headed by one of the most criticized ministers of the current Cabinet of Ministers, Dmitry Livanov, at one time presented plans that were based on the implementation of two state programs. These programs are “Development of science and technology”, as well as “Development of education”.


    as soon as I read information about state programs for the development of certain industries and areas, my heart becomes anxious. So the next direction has come to an end - be it education or healthcare, etc.
    1. grafrozow
      grafrozow 12 September 2013 22: 21 New
      +2
      Quote: lonely
      as soon as I read information about state programs for the development of certain industries and areas, my heart becomes anxious. So the next direction has come to an end - be it education or healthcare, etc.
      But my intentions are good, such as turning the northern rivers. My mother worked as a teacher at school for 43 years, now she is shocked by all the transformations.
  34. Algor73
    Algor73 12 September 2013 20: 19 New
    +4
    Each education system has its advantages. Each reform is positive if it is financially strengthened, there are no infringed ones. The education system has been polamal in Ukraine, now it is Russia’s turn. Well, come to us, we will tell you a lot of things, what are the consequences of such reforms.
  35. GREAT RUSSIA
    GREAT RUSSIA 12 September 2013 21: 37 New
    +5
    Personally, my mother is a teacher, my aunt is a teacher, and my grandmother is a teacher. (but already retired) Personally, we have raised salaries, but only due to staff reductions, these bastards did. Although I am a student, but I understand all this. And I don’t consider any songs about free education. We have primary classes and their tuition is paid. Renewals are canceled because they were also paid. So I don’t believe about Livanov’s songs about free education. These are not reforms, this is the elimination of what remains. You need a new ministry of education, and the rest to be shot .
  36. Brave
    Brave 12 September 2013 21: 43 New
    +1
    Quote: My address
    I repeat.

    A conversation between two homeless people:
    - And to me this one, which is Lyavanov, well, this one, from Myadvedjavski, well, to the gut.
    - So what?
    - And he, this, well, just like me, abrasive hates.



    Sitting means three men in a boat, fishing.
    The night begins to grow light. One says:
    - The sun rises!
    Second:
    - Yes, I have not seen such a beautiful sunrise for a long time!
    A third with two kicks throws the first two out of the boat.
    Guys come up:
    - For what!?!
    - The first for offtopic, the second for flood.
    - Why are you really fucked up ???!
    A man takes out a paddle and a crunch of both on the head:
    - And for insulting the ban !!!
    1. GREAT RUSSIA
      GREAT RUSSIA 12 September 2013 21: 56 New
      +1
      And you are hinting to someone dear, and tell me who is guilty. Am I or someone else?
  37. 1goose3
    1goose3 12 September 2013 23: 09 New
    +2
    Quote: JIaIIoTb
    Destroyers cannot create. Destroyers love destruction itself, which destroys them perpendicularly and in parallel


    And most "reformers" are just such people. And all because we have the "high" title of the reformer are "elephants in the china shop." Unfortunately for something else, they do not have enough convolutions. crying
  38. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 12 September 2013 23: 22 New
    +1
    One single question, why is such and such an abomination in power? angry