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New proposals for the service life of the Ministry of Defense: you want - a year, you want - two

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An interesting innovation is being prepared by the Ministry of Defense of Russia. It concerns possible changes in the Law on Military Duty and Military Service, which (the changes) are aimed at popularizing the army service and attracting well-educated young people to it.




Recall that today the service life for a conscript soldier is 12 months (regardless of the level of education, social status and other, let's say, parameters). At the same time, any soldier who joined the army after conscription has the opportunity, after passing three months of “urgent” service, to conclude a contract and change the status from a fighter-recruit to the status of a fighter-contractor. In this case, the contract is for the term 3 of the year. To date, the number of contract soldiers (soldier and sergeant positions) in the Russian army is about 240 thousand.

The Defense Ministry has new ideas about the term of the army service. According to these ideas, graduates of civilian universities can be given the right to choose the period during which they are ready to repay their debt to their homeland. The essence of possible innovations is as follows: a graduate of a civilian university can choose either the 12-month service in the status of a recruit, or the signing of a contract for the term 24 of the month with all the attendant (the possibility of living outside the barracks and a fairly high level of salary).

The main defense department believes that a considerable number of university graduates can make a choice in favor of the contract service for several reasons. First, an ordinary contract service contractor, on average, receives about 30 thousand rubles, and not every high school graduate (especially in the province) can find a job with such a salary. Secondly, the contract service is still not the same as a conscript service: there is an opportunity to live in a rented or private apartment, to run a household, to spend time with the family - that is, by and large, ordinary work, which is also good money to pay. Thirdly, the Ministry of Defense is carrying out plans to give post-graduate contract servicemen the opportunity to receive so-called army mortgage loans (loans for the purchase of housing on preferential terms).

Motivation, and quite a powerful motivation, here, can be traced. Obviously, if such innovations really work, then the number of so-called draft dodgers may well decrease. The fact is that the very opportunity to serve on contractual principles, receive a relatively high monetary allowance and have certain prospects for acquiring housing with substantial benefits, is able to attract those young graduates who, as they say, do not sit behind wide parental backs, trying to get to those around the neck and dangle your legs. And the ambitious youth in our time is enough, and the main task of the Ministry of Defense is to really interest, attract and motivate them for military service.

But the idea of ​​representatives of the defense department, despite its undoubted merits, needs a certain adjustment. One of the rather slippery points is the planned possibility of early termination of the contract. In other words, the Ministry of Defense is ready to meet the young man who, after graduating from the university, signed a contract, but for a variety of reasons, the service did not suit him. Representatives of the ministry say that if you try to force such a contractor to serve, then no benefit from his, if I may say so, service will not be - it is better to give him the opportunity to calmly quit.

This is where an underwater stone arises: what to do if, for example, a young man decided to deceive everyone by signing a contract, but after a month he suddenly announced that he was going to terminate it, since he allegedly realized that military service was not for him ... It turns out that some will serve 12 months by call, without being able to go home ahead of schedule, and others - “contract servicemen” - theoretically in a month’s service can already go “to mothers and nannies”?

However, representatives of the department Sergei Shoigu are urged not to dramatize in this case, since this potential problem was discussed at a special board, and the board found ways to solve it. This decision looks like this: if a university graduate decided to sign a contract with the Ministry of Defense (a term, two years instead of three years), then he can terminate it before the expiration, first, by mutual agreement of the parties, and secondly, “undeserved” »The term will be transformed into the term of conscription.

As a concrete example, consider the following situation: let some hypothetical university graduate Sidorov enter into a contract with the Ministry of Defense (24 of the month), and after 4 of a month this contract is terminated at the mutual desire of the parties; To serve until the end of the contract term, ordinary Sidorov had no less than 20 months. This remainder of the contract service in the “two to one” mode is transformed into a conscripted service life, that is, two months of service under the contract will correspond to one month of conscription service. As a result, Sidorov will be “asked” to serve 10 (twenty divide by two) months in the status of a recruit.

And this is, frankly, a good way out of delicate situations that will immediately discourage the desire to experiment with the terms of service on the part of those young gentlemen who decide to play an exciting game “I don’t want to be a contract soldier — I'm tired”. You do not want to be a contract soldier - for God's sake ... - be a conscript. So do not play around ...
If the idea of ​​the Defense Ministry really works, then it will really increase the number of servicemen serving under contract in the Russian army. Indeed, in 2013 alone, the number of graduates from civilian universities (young men) was approximately 345 thousand people.

The state plans to bring the number of contract servicemen in the army of the Russian Federation to the beginning of 2018 to 425 thousand people. Is this task feasible? In principle, it is feasible if the types of motivation proposed by the Ministry will be implemented in practice.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 12 September 2013 08: 01 New
    +1
    New proposals for the service life of the Ministry of Defense: you want - a year, you want - two
    All this is not bad. And as I understand it, the main aim is to form "training companies" and fill military units with specialists already trained in civilian universities ... The direction, alas, is chosen correctly. Now only in this way it is possible to attract good specialists. the only thing that needs to be considered is the procedure for “terminating” the contract, if this special proves to be “exaggerated”, it is necessary to better select. And yet - very carefully monitor the "motivation", in all ways - financial, administrative, more interesting and promising, it is necessary to make military service more attractive ...
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 12 September 2013 10: 34 New
      +4
      Quote: svp67
      The direction, alas, is chosen correctly. Now only in this way is it possible to attract good specialists

      One only but. What will the Finance Ministry say? Simple arithmetic indicates a decent additional financial infusion.
      The idea is very good, especially in the current situation.
      But I think the future of the Russian army is still for the establishment of a normal conscript service. And certainly not annual.
      1. Canep
        Canep 12 September 2013 11: 55 New
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        Thirdly, the Ministry of Defense has plans to give postgraduate contractors the opportunity to receive the so-called army mortgage loans (loans for the purchase of housing on favorable terms).

        I have repeatedly voiced this idea on the site, perhaps I repeat, perhaps !, its generals (the idea of ​​providing interest-free mortgages to military servicemen) were selected here.
        1. Hon
          Hon 12 September 2013 12: 03 New
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          Quote: Canep
          I have repeatedly voiced this idea on the site, perhaps I repeat, perhaps !, its generals (the idea of ​​providing interest-free mortgages to military servicemen) were selected here.

          Do not flatter yourself, the army mortgage has been around for a long time, and it’s not the conscripts who will receive it, but the contract soldiers, so the army will have to serve not one contract but more. No one gives mortgages to conscripts.
      2. 2vladim2
        2vladim2 12 September 2013 18: 48 New
        +1
        For the time being, such an idea of ​​the Ministry of Defense will come up, if the Ministry of Finance doesn’t put a stick in the wheels. And it will. Therefore, you are right. Now we need to think about military service. And forget these ridiculous 12 months, like a nightmare. The term of urgent service should be increased. But it must be done so that the recruits would be interested to go and serve. There are many options. But so far they are not voiced. And they only say that the service life in the near future will remain unchanged. That is, in the near future we will be protected by half-trained soldiers. This is dangerous. And then everyone should understand that it’s impossible to teach the basics in a year.
    2. 2vladim2
      2vladim2 12 September 2013 18: 39 New
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      In general, the idea of ​​the Ministry of Defense is correct. But the bottleneck (termination of the contract) must be carefully considered. The terms of service (increase, if the contract was interrupted) is one thing. But I would like to somehow interest the ruble. Here is the biggest problem. But in general, I like the idea. And there will be problems with the Ministry of Finance. However, as always.
  2. Astrey
    Astrey 12 September 2013 08: 18 New
    +5
    Want! And for the extra urgent, I also want.

    I read the article and even got younger somehow. )
    1. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim 12 September 2013 08: 39 New
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      The Ukrainian army is clearly not in danger!
      1. 2vladim2
        2vladim2 12 September 2013 18: 51 New
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        Strange statement! But you couldn’t like it in more detail. We would be interested to read why you said so.
    2. 2vladim2
      2vladim2 12 September 2013 18: 58 New
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      If you say it seriously, then I will support you. I also want to.
  3. rugor
    rugor 12 September 2013 08: 56 New
    +7
    The army in our time is forced to change its appearance, to become more "educated", if I may say so. In this light, the idea is not even bad.
  4. IsailoR
    IsailoR 12 September 2013 09: 00 New
    +5
    One question: "Where is the money, Zin?"
    Our budget is already bursting at the seams. And for these, no doubt, wonderful offers, you may simply not find the means. :(
    1. Canep
      Canep 12 September 2013 11: 57 New
      +6
      Those who do not want to feed their army will feed the army of overseas homosexuals.
      1. 2vladim2
        2vladim2 12 September 2013 18: 56 New
        +1
        And here, many of the people do not even understand this truth. I repeat, this is the truth, gentlemen!
    2. 2vladim2
      2vladim2 12 September 2013 18: 54 New
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      That’s the whole question. It’s already known today that the Ministry of Defense agreed to cut its budget by 10%. Or maybe cut some of the programs or freeze. But not monetary allowance and pensions, but something secondary. You just have to think well.
  5. Fin
    Fin 12 September 2013 09: 06 New
    +2
    Good offer. Now more than half with higher education after graduation work as sellers and security guards for a penny. And so you look and after 2 years they will continue to serve. One thing worries, they are all accustomed to freedom, and here they will put it in the framework, and even a lot of dibilism in the army.
    1. washi
      washi 12 September 2013 12: 57 New
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      Quote: Fin
      Good offer. Now more than half with higher education after graduation work as sellers and security guards for a penny. And so you look and after 2 years they will continue to serve. One thing worries, they are all accustomed to freedom, and here they will put it in the framework, and even a lot of dibilism in the army.

      And in my opinion a very bad offer.
      Any soldier should be in the shoes of a draftee (we had an experimental course at the school (the school was also “lucky” with experiments) almost did not get out of the field for the first year. Internships in KO and KV posts, of course, living in the barracks and meals, along with soldiers (what shit was fed in the village of Svetly, Omsk Region)). After a year of conscription, it will be clear who this body is and whether it is worth taking on a contract. Where is the money, student accommodation, etc.?
      Who wants to see subordinate contractors of Navalny and his gay friends?
      1. Fin
        Fin 12 September 2013 14: 42 New
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        Quote: Vasya
        Any soldier should be in the shoes of a conscript

        KMB month and oath, and then sign a contract or term. The main law to adopt, and the order will develop.
        Everyone had field camps.
        Quote: Vasya
        Who wants to see subordinate contractors of Navalny and his gay friends?

        I don’t think everyone will be dragging everyone on the lasso for a contract.
      2. 2vladim2
        2vladim2 12 September 2013 19: 01 New
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        Times are changing. It used to be so. And it was like that with us. But in order not to lose the country's defense capability, we have to go for it for now. And think parallelly how to organize military service. And not 12 months, as it is now.
  6. Kazakh
    Kazakh 12 September 2013 09: 15 New
    +4
    And the contract and money and benefits. Have you tried to engage in patriotic education?
    1. Sergey_K
      Sergey_K 12 September 2013 13: 34 New
      +2
      And you probably feed children with patriotic education?
  7. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 12 September 2013 09: 18 New
    +3
    Speak a lot of dibilism in the army? And work at JSC National Treasure and you can compare where more.
  8. Hort
    Hort 12 September 2013 09: 19 New
    +2
    why not do this: to form a mobile reserve, leave the year of service (urgent). Further, if a person wants to go on a military path - another year or a year and a half, but not a “pure” contract, but something like an over-term, but with a powerful motivating incentive in the form of housing (and not in a mortgage, but as interest-free installments, as an option), a good salary, and tax benefits if the soldier has any insignia, awards, participated in the hostilities or \ and is injured.
    Well, the idea that only those who have served in the armed forces can enter the civil service should be promoted, despite all the protests of officials and deputies :)
    And in the future (IMHO of course), you need to do the general thing as in the book / movie "Starship Troopers" it was: you want to have the right to vote and work in government agencies, having received the status of a citizen - in the army or (considering ours, not book realities) for useful contribution to the development of the state (there, in science, medicine, etc.), or for an outstanding socially useful act.
    You do not want to bother with participating in the political life of the state and live "for yourself" - the status of a civilian without suffrage and the right to work in the civil service
  9. IRBIS
    IRBIS 12 September 2013 09: 23 New
    +8
    People, what kind of "specialists" with higher education are you talking about? Is it not about those who "served their numbers" in universities, staggering through clubs, drinking beer? In the days of the USSR there were "biennials", in the common people - "jackets". We recall, comrade commanders, only without isolated examples. Awesome help? They didn’t know how to work with soldiers, like military specialists — almost zero. So then, and discipline was everywhere unlike today's times. Now we transfer all this, adjusted for current conditions. Full zero comes and immediately to the contract, crap! It is a contractor, hell lives, knows where, a normalized working day, a "salary" is decent. Fathers commanders, what will you do with it? It’s also “smart,” it knows all its rights, but it just takes no responsibility.
    In the Moscow region there are a lot of smart people, they come up with all the reforms. Only here the junior and middle commanders will slurp all this.
    1. Fin
      Fin 12 September 2013 09: 43 New
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      Quote: IRBIS
      Fathers commanders, what will you do with it? It’s also “smart,” it knows all its rights, but it just takes no responsibility.

      With the proper application of the charter, "intelligence" ends quickly, it’s not a conscript who will not stroke his head. Can not cope - there are "good" articles of dismissal. Those who are adequate will serve the required and still subscribe.
      1. IRBIS
        IRBIS 12 September 2013 12: 37 New
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        Quote: Fin
        Can not cope - there are "good" articles of dismissal.

        It is impossible to dismiss something without mutual consent. Well, quit and went on to serve further. And a dozen more. And what will they do with the commander, whose% of staffing with contract soldiers in the unit (unit) will drop? After all, they will report to the top in a timely manner that everything is normal. Now this is the case - and the commander would be glad to restrain the insolent, but there is no real power. And yet - it’s better to have a good salary in a bad army than to "crap" for a penny on a "citizen" (the main motive for the service now). And if the officer is also a mortgage participant? Generally silent, like a fish.
        1. Fin
          Fin 12 September 2013 14: 27 New
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          Quote: IRBIS
          It is impossible to dismiss something without mutual consent.

          There is an article for non-compliance with the terms of the contract. The main command all shoals correctly draw on paper and hello conscription service. Over% of staffing will be scolded, but it's better than babysitting. Leverage Award. We are not talking about officers here. Mortgage after 3 years.
      2. washi
        washi 12 September 2013 13: 07 New
        +3
        Quote: Fin
        Quote: IRBIS
        Fathers commanders, what will you do with it? It’s also “smart,” it knows all its rights, but it just takes no responsibility.

        With the proper application of the charter, "intelligence" ends quickly, it’s not a conscript who will not stroke his head. Can not cope - there are "good" articles of dismissal. Those who are adequate will serve the required and still subscribe.

        If he was called immediately for a contract, then what articles? They all fuck.
        Many of us entered the school for a slope from the Army. Some studied for 2 years and expelled. Some graduated, but quit upon arrival at the unit (having received a higher education for free).
        It is necessary to change legislation and disciplinary regulations.
        If a soldier mows, then extend his service until he is aware (with the revival of dis.bat and lips)
    2. My address
      My address 12 September 2013 10: 09 New
      +2
      Namesake, you are right!
      From university boys with the military department com. platoon began to turn out only by the end of the first year. Started and no more. By myself I know others are no better. And the modern education based on pofigizme? A modern sophisticated technology?
      According to contract servicemen, I believe that no more than a third, and only in the squad leaders and above. But with the ability to move up, teaching in absentia / vespers. On production met when a good worker is better than an engineer from the university. But the army d. Mass, draft, in our territories it is necessary. And have served a lot of benefits.
      But on the army, on medicine and education not to save. When they are real.
      1. abuyanovus
        abuyanovus 12 September 2013 10: 45 New
        +3
        Let me disagree with you.
        1. In the article, and indeed in the draft rules, we are talking about contract positions for the SERIES, about jackets and no talk. And it is right.
        2. I’ve seen in the senior posts of the former Polkans. Honor - dohren, no knowledge. "I command you !!!" here is their principle. But how, what and why, they don’t care about that.
        3. Do not drive to higher education, it is normal with us. It is not inferior to any competitors and is enough for production for work. We have a problem with the wages of workers, yes. Therefore, young specialists do not go to work in the specialty, where the knowledge they receive corresponds to the tasks, all aspire to the "managers" or to the banks. Because they pay, but in production and in design institutes, no. And if they pay, it’s not enough - the Soviet legacy.
    3. Hon
      Hon 12 September 2013 10: 21 New
      0
      Quote: IRBIS
      It’s also “smart,” it knows all its rights, but it just takes no responsibility.

      With this, it’s just that simple, the premium will not be performed, they will cut the prize, now the youth loves money and will perform the money well.
    4. abuyanovus
      abuyanovus 12 September 2013 10: 47 New
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      And about the "knowledge of their rights." Do you really think that the stick system of relations grandfather-spirit-officer has a future? I’ll tell you more, after universities, the age of 22-23 of the year will go to the army, these are not 18 summer boys, they are not only physically stronger, but also smarter, they will have to earn their respect for the commander’s platoon, and not be driven in by other people, as is customary now .

      If we cannot make a quantitative leap in the army, then we need to make this leap in quality. And the personnel, in this case, from an ordinary to an army general should become the foundation, the foundation. States that did not understand this are now feeding foreign armies.
      1. IRBIS
        IRBIS 12 September 2013 12: 49 New
        +1
        Quote: abuyanovus
        And about the "knowledge of their rights." Do you really think that the stick system of relations grandfather-spirit-officer has a future? I’ll tell you more, after universities, the age of 22-23 of the year will go to the army, these are not 18 summer boys, they are not only physically stronger, but also smarter, they will have to earn their respect for the commander’s platoon, and not be driven in by other people, as is customary now .

        I think that in the absence of real disciplinary power among the commanders, in a situation where a soldier knows the phones of the prosecutor’s office and the committee of soldier’s mothers better than his duties, when an officer is harassed by control, supervision and inquiry bodies, it doesn’t matter how old the youth is.
        And about the "smarter" and "physically stronger" - this is your dream. Take a look around, ask the girls why many in the 23-24 are still not married. The answer will surprise you, probably - and no one to marry! Irresponsible, stupid loafers. I have been working for a "citizen" for a long time, during this time all the time young people came to get a job extremely rarely, and of those who came, 95% drove out for absenteeism and drunkenness.
        1. abuyanovus
          abuyanovus 12 September 2013 13: 43 New
          +1
          Quote: IRBIS

          I think that in the absence of real disciplinary power among the commanders, in a situation where a soldier knows the phones of the prosecutor’s office and the committee of soldier’s mothers better than his duties, when an officer is harassed by control, supervision and inquiry bodies, it doesn’t matter how old the youth is.
          And about the "smarter" and "physically stronger" - this is your dream. Take a look around, ask the girls why many in the 23-24 are still not married. The answer will surprise you, probably - and no one to marry! Irresponsible, stupid loafers. I have been working for a "citizen" for a long time, during this time all the time young people came to get a job extremely rarely, and of those who came, 95% drove out for absenteeism and drunkenness.


          It seems to me that you are confusing current graduates of universities and vocational schools. The difference is huge. Therefore, we must take the contractors, everything is spelled out in the contract, from risks to obligations, and, which is typical of payment for them. A person with a higher education usually understands responsibility. At least better than a person with a secondary education.
          The fact that there are many plumps, I agree, I kicked out a few myself ... some, by the way, returned, now they don’t drink at all and long enough (but they are forgiven to them by surveyors). But in general, there is a military prosecutor’s office for this, let them understand the parts with violators of “labor discipline”. It seems to me to work with a person who made an informed choice in favor of the army - much easier than with a simple conscript. A call is a conscription, a contract is a job.
          1. IRBIS
            IRBIS 12 September 2013 18: 33 New
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            Quote: abuyanovus
            It seems to me that you are confusing current graduates of universities and vocational schools. The difference is huge.

            That is just the point, that there is no difference! More precisely, it is, but not in favor of universities. I would rather have a PTUshnikov battalion than a company of "comrades" with hypertrophied self-esteem with zero maintenance.
            Quote: abuyanovus
            Therefore, we must take the contractors, everything is spelled out in the contract, from risks to obligations, and, which is typical of payment for them.

            It works with a creak in peacetime. Risks, money ... The harsh faces of contracted soldiers ... I dare to assure you that when the turn of hostilities comes, then there comes such a leaf that no one wants to die, even for a lot of money (and to hell with the dead) . But no idea! There is only material incentive. And there will also be an incentive to serve urgent, but for decent money. Moreover, after universities with work strained.
            Quote: abuyanovus
            But in general, there is a military prosecutor’s office for this, let them understand the parts with violators of “labor discipline”.

            She understands, understands well, but only with officers, for some reason ...
            Quote: abuyanovus
            It seems to me to work with a person who made an informed choice in favor of the army - much easier than with a simple conscript.

            But this really seems to you. Believe me, I have long years of service and extensive experience working with all categories of fighters.
    5. allekkss
      allekkss 12 September 2013 11: 10 New
      +3
      Well, yes, civilian universities do not let specialists out, and only highly qualified professionals come out of the military, who, with the click of a finger, can make the entrusted unit execute the order. Everywhere there are people who came to work and gouging. The initiative is very correct, you need to attract people from universities to the army, preferably on a voluntary basis, forcibly a person who escaped from higher education and can escape from the army. A contract does not imply a command post at all, just as contract service does not imply failure to fulfill orders and duties, and military discipline applies to contract soldiers in the same way. And for junior and middle commanders, if they are not able to manage subordinate personnel, it would be nice to learn a little by themselves, in the end the commander is not only a star on the chase, but also his own knowledge and authority.
    6. Volkhov
      Volkhov 12 September 2013 13: 30 New
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      All this nonsense was invented in order for people to have the status of a contractor, which can be sent, for example, to Syria, that's all. There aren’t enough people in such places - the Saudi won suicide bombings in prisons of 1300 ... the issue of discipline is clearly resolved there. And the draftees put cheese in a mousetrap - an apartment, a salary ... the hot south and the MDZ when there is a threat of captivity.
      1. Hon
        Hon 12 September 2013 13: 33 New
        0
        But you can refuse such trips, of course you will fly out of the army, but who does it scare?
        1. Volkhov
          Volkhov 12 September 2013 17: 06 New
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          Did not hear about the laws of war and secrecy? On alarm in a plane, jump or exit, hello Syria ... here you go to the commander and say - I want to go home ...
          With an active refusal, execution before the formation, even according to the charter, is the departure from the army.
  10. abuyanovus
    abuyanovus 12 September 2013 09: 46 New
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    [quote = ЯsailoR] One question: "Where is the money, Zin?"

    For all 425 thousand people, about 15 billion rubles a year are needed. For the army it’s not so much, it’s easy to pull.
    And I fully support this approach to the formation of the appeal. I remember that after our university, most of the group (90% percent) worked a salary of 4-8 thousand rudders, while the majority began to work in their places even in practice, and remained there until graduation. This is an engineering specialty, 2005. Most literally from such a life grabbed their heads: almost all are married, wives usually still study, many have children. No apartments, no cars, nothing. Housing prices in our north in terms of almost the same as in St. Petersburg, the communal flat and food are one and a half times more expensive ... If not for the parents, everyone would die from hunger and chronic underestimation. We are not from Moscow, where they pay a lot of money for idleness and spitting at the ceiling and warm places for various "sons" have been warmed up for a long time. Dixi.
    There would be an opportunity then to join the army for a contract, for a more or less normal salary, - I would go without hesitation.
    Now a young specialist gets 12 to 20 thousand if he finds a job, depending on where he gets, while his official salary is 4300-4500 rubles. such a way by the way for many years and will remain i.e. you can safely forget about a decent pension ... like everyone else who is not a civil servant, but not the essence ... Where are they with this income? I’m talking about men, the breadwinners of the family, to whom the wives who went on maternity’s neck will sit down. Maternity by the way, too, is not impressive.

    Therefore ... Thank you very much Thank you Sergey Kozhugetovich! Moscow and St. Petersburg may not appreciate this, but for the regions this may be an option.
    1. Hon
      Hon 12 September 2013 10: 18 New
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      Quote: abuyanovus
      Now a young specialist is getting 12 to 20 thousand

      Is it that you get so much in the north? belay
      1. abuyanovus
        abuyanovus 12 September 2013 11: 00 New
        +1
        After high school, yes. They won’t be given more. Here in a couple of years, then yes from 30 tr and higher. A normal ISU receives from TR 50, this is a minimum of seven years of service, plus a percentage. He's a GUI.
        I didn’t mean the foremen at the construction site (assistant foreman), they have everything in order (and there are usually no strangers there), but designers, constructors, environmentalists, etc. Most graduates of technical specialties, excluding oil workers, are forced to start almost from scratch. These are the features of the system. No one wants to pay normally in the first years of work. In particular, state-owned enterprises. So most go past the main specialty, where they pay. The people are sharp and hot in their youth, and they do not care about the opinions of different leaders. Do not pay, goodbye, look for other fools. This is a fact, unfortunately. But people also want to not only eat, but also receive other benefits.
        1. Hon
          Hon 12 September 2013 11: 26 New
          +1
          Well, I don’t know, I got about 10 in the first place of work, but I got a job just for the sake of experience, I treated this as a continuation of my studies. It’s okay to tolerate a couple of years, especially since managers at the initial stage are not paid much.
          1. abuyanovus
            abuyanovus 12 September 2013 11: 44 New
            +3
            My first salary in the specialty was 1000 rubles. Spat for a long time laughing But he didn’t leave the principle from work. I also thought about the experience ... In vain, I lost a lot of time. Then he scored a big bolt on all these matters and went into private business. It was not so hot from the beginning, but then it was appreciated. This is not the point, I lost three years working as an engineer as a engineer, I lived on a penny, now I can’t even imagine how it turned out then. And at the same time, he still believed in fairy tales about professional development, ranks ... pah, it is disgusting to remember.
            If I were to offer me an army, not even thirty thousand, but twenty, I would go without hesitation. For me at that time 20 tr there was an exorbitant amount. It's funny ...
            1. Hon
              Hon 12 September 2013 12: 11 New
              +1
              Quote: abuyanovus
              My first salary in the specialty was 1000 rubles. Then spat for a long time laughing But, from the principle of work did not leave. I also thought about the experience ... In vain, I lost a lot of time. Then he scored a big bolt on all these matters and went into private business. It was not so hot from the beginning, but then it was appreciated. This is not the point, I lost three years working as an engineer as a engineer, I lived on a penny, now I can’t even imagine how it turned out then. And at the same time, he still believed in fairy tales about professional development, ranks ... pah, it is disgusting to remember.
              If I were to offer me an army, not even thirty thousand, but twenty, I would go without hesitation. For me at that time 20 tr there was an exorbitant amount. It's funny ...

              I deliberately went to the civil service because of experience, I treat irony of all ranks and beautiful job titles, I went because I promised to sue a lot, I got experience in judicial work, enforcement proceedings, bankruptcy and, well, experience not related to jurisprudence for a change. He worked for about a year and a half and dumped into a commercial organization. If it weren’t for the civil service, you had to start with an assistant, with official duties, run down a friend and bring a pie.
    2. washi
      washi 12 September 2013 13: 12 New
      +1
      Now, ANYONE can turn to the draft board and go to serve. But the contract is only after urgency.
      Loot for free does not work. And this law introduces the category of freeloaders into the ranks of the Armed Forces.
      1. Hon
        Hon 12 September 2013 13: 31 New
        +1
        well, actually in three months the conscript can sign a contract, and everything will turn out the same.
  11. My address
    My address 12 September 2013 09: 48 New
    +2
    I know that for the year not only a real mechvod, but also a com. T-62 from a graduate of a technical school 60-70-x to prepare a problem. And modern tanks are more complicated. And modern education is neither there nor the Red Army.
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 12 September 2013 20: 02 New
      0
      For a year you can only train a fighter of a pick-hoe regiment.
  12. aszzz888
    aszzz888 12 September 2013 10: 38 New
    +3
    One year of service is still not enough time to train all the intricacies of military service. So "gallop across Europe."
    1. chushoj
      chushoj 12 September 2013 16: 29 New
      +1
      Service without a contract should consist in the maintenance of premises and territories. If theoretical training lasts half a year and half a year you are taught in practice by the older generation, then the year of service for obtaining a specialty does not make sense. After receiving theory and practice, a person should serve these funds and help the army in preparing the "young."
      It’s not worth talking about any tricks here. Most of the time it takes domestic services themselves.
  13. Jin
    Jin 12 September 2013 10: 40 New
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    Sensible decision +. One thing annoys me, that almost any good undertaking in our country, unfortunately, has a tendency to stall into a tailspin, with an invariably tragic ending ... This fact saddens ...
  14. Yeraz
    Yeraz 12 September 2013 10: 41 New
    +2
    the people is the contract system in terms of living outside the barracks. Is it possible to go to your house in the evening, well, if the unit is near the house or on weekends ???
    And relatively speaking, if I go to sign a contract in St. Petersburg I will serve right there or will I be sent to any other place?
    1. Jin
      Jin 12 September 2013 10: 47 New
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      Quote: Yeraz
      the people is the contract system in terms of living outside the barracks. Is it possible to go to your house in the evening, well, if the unit is near the house or on weekends ???
      And relatively speaking, if I go to sign a contract in St. Petersburg I will serve right there or will I be sent to any other place?


      Yes you can. The same work, but with its own specifics, depending on the combat arms. Well, the Charter, with the ensuing outfits, guards, etc. this is how to work according to the "schedule". Caught in the outfit on New Year's Eve, forward and with the song!
      But at the expense of where to serve will send the question. Now they are trying to leave conscripts to serve in the region of residence, in any case, there was a lot of blah blah in this regard. But the contract, this is completely different .... where to distribute, there and forward)!
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 12 September 2013 12: 21 New
        +2
        Quote: Jin
        Yes you can. The same work, but with its own specifics, depending on the combat arms.

        Well, the main thing is to let go home in the evenings, it will turn out as a civilian job, and finish your working day and go home.
        Quote: Jin
        Well, the Charter, with the ensuing outfits, guards, etc. this is how to work according to the "schedule". Caught in the outfit on New Year's Eve, forward and with the song!

        Well, I know this very well and have experienced in my own way))) Well, New Year's Eve ... you can always agree))))
        Quote: Jin
        where to distribute, there and forward)!

        Let them adopt the law, and then we'll see where there are holes to use them)
    2. Hon
      Hon 12 September 2013 10: 54 New
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      Almost, it is possible that there will be no places near the house, then you will have to serve somewhere else. You can rent an apartment, in most cities this will be enough for the salary of a contractor, you can live in the barracks by the way.
  15. Djozz
    Djozz 12 September 2013 11: 31 New
    +3
    The main issue is employment after the army. Example: My son, a techie, graduated from the Krasnodar Polytechnic, from 2011-2012 he served in the Presidential Regiment, has the badges "Excellence in the Federal Security Service of Russia", "Presidential Regiment" and a letter of thanks, in general he served well. After the army, there was a question of employment, no experience means no good work , only thanks to my connections was accepted for a good job from the beginning. a salary of 20 thousand and the prospect of growth. And the sons who had gone from the army to the departments immediately! Conclusion, a guarantee of employment is needed, then the problem of forming an army by the guys in the highest arr.
    1. Hon
      Hon 12 September 2013 11: 38 New
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      It is possible to guarantee employment only for the civil service, and there the cat wept.
      1. Djozz
        Djozz 12 September 2013 11: 42 New
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        Not everywhere. And then, gaining “fat” connections, you can leave for a good position.
  16. Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 12 September 2013 11: 48 New
    +1
    This is another step towards anarchy in the Armed Forces. Want to do this, want this. What nonsense is this choice of serving the Motherland. The homeland is one, and everyone is obliged to serve her strictly established time. Not as true now. But we have the experience of a normal army and normal laws, and they need to be returned and modernized. Shoigu will make some noise, but whether we will recover from this rustle is a question.
  17. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 12 September 2013 12: 18 New
    +1
    Quote: Kazakh
    And the contract and money and benefits. Have you tried to engage in patriotic education?

    By the way, people falling into military service in elite units and competent commanders, then all their life are proud of their service! As for attracting contractors with big money, you can try (although the contractor will lie if they will continue to serve), I personally suggested that the village youths stay and few people near Moscow, the salary and prospect of the apartment attracted, as they say freedom (the destroyed collective farm, hard drinking, salary 2000-3000 rubles)! And the principle 2 = 1, so it is now, the officers expelled from the teach, serve in the army on this principle!
  18. Gregazov
    Gregazov 12 September 2013 13: 47 New
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    I put a minus to the author because the problem of the shortage of military personnel was addressed unilaterally. Having dispersed the schools, having lost their support by the military personnel, who voluntarily, at the call of the heart, chose a profession - to defend their homeland, they lured graduates who did not see and did not understand the army life for gingerbread men. Of course, among them there may be inborn warriors, but most will scatter on the first shot.
    1. chushoj
      chushoj 12 September 2013 15: 59 New
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      No!!! And again, NO !!!
      I am a participant in the West 2009 exercises. Lukashenko made a tricky move, he called on the storekeepers. Now, those who did not serve are taking the military department (mainly doctors are good people because of their health) The tricky move was to take the oath of Belarus before issuing weapons. Those who gave the oath to the Soviet Union, and those who did not serve for health.
      Those who did not see and DO NOT UNDERSTAND the army life and male norms (having epaulettes) began to command the retired but simple hard workers from the factory.
      Can you imagine it?
      No and no again!!!
  19. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 12 September 2013 13: 57 New
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    It is high time. All civilized countries have switched to a contract and we have to go. It is clear that with this choice everyone will choose 2, but in human terms than 1 barracks slavery. The army needs only a contract wink
  20. Alexey M
    Alexey M 12 September 2013 14: 14 New
    +1
    Conscripts must pay a salary then they will mow less from the army.
    1. Fin
      Fin 12 September 2013 15: 00 New
      0
      Quote: Alexey M
      Conscripts must pay a salary then they will mow less from the army.

      I went to kindergarten for 1/4 of the cost, the school is free of charge, courses "cutting and sewing", sports. sections for free, the doctor ran to the house for free, etc. For 17 years, it seems to me enough benefits to one year serve. And there is still pocket money 2 TR give. I forgot, and in the army there is still a soldier committee. mothers squirrel and ass will wipe.
      1. Hon
        Hon 12 September 2013 15: 15 New
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        Quote: Fin
        I went to kindergarten for 1/4 of the cost, the school is free of charge, courses "cutting and sewing", sports. sections for free, the doctor ran to the house for free, etc. For 17 years, it seems to me enough benefits to serve one year. And there is still pocket money 2 TR give. I forgot, and in the army there is still a soldier committee. mothers squirrel and ass will wipe.

        About 7 TR per month Personal income tax, plus another 80 thousand taxes a year since there are individual entrepreneurs, not including pension contributions. Does this not cover the costs of schools and medicine, which by the way were not very free?
  21. yan
    yan 12 September 2013 14: 48 New
    0
    Given the level of training in universities, it is likely that the army will only lose from such "professionals".
  22. chushoj
    chushoj 12 September 2013 15: 38 New
    0
    Given the difference in production in civilian life and the army in the sense that a person can refuse to execute an order in production if it contradicts tryn-tyn-tyn.
    And in the army, you must first perform, and then discuss. That about any mortgages,%, and loans and speech can not be. The contractor in the army should direct his whole brain to his professional development, and not turn into a home accountant and look for lozenges in the leadership of the unit. Housing should be given immediately and only departmental. With professional growth, housing should grow but only departmental. It is enough to serve in the army for 15 years and this housing passes into the right of ownership.
    It would be better to work here not in terms and contracts, but with a citizen. Only those who are healthy and have served the army can have priority in order to occupy a truly leadership position (above the head of the workshop). Exceptions are social and public figures.
    Otherwise, for the money (not men), the paratroopers will beat their faces to each other, and it will delight everyone.
    1. corn
      corn 14 September 2013 02: 11 New
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      A small quote from the Criminal Code, which will dispel your misconceptions about the implementation of the order.
      Article 42. Execution of an order or instruction

      [Criminal Code of the Russian Federation] [Chapter 8] [Article 42]
      1. It is not a crime to harm the interests protected by criminal law by a person acting in pursuance of an order or order binding on him. The criminal liability for causing such harm lies with the person who issued the illegal order or instruction.

      2. A person who has committed a deliberate crime in pursuance of knowingly unlawful orders or instructions shall be criminally liable on a common basis. Failure to comply with a deliberately unlawful order or instruction precludes criminal liability.
  23. ilyich
    ilyich 12 September 2013 15: 43 New
    0
    So. answer me, please, such a question (nobody seems to have asked them yet) - what will happen when the “contractor” wants to quit after serving 12 months?
    according to the submitted proposal - he will have to serve 24 / 2-12 = 0 months
    that is, what do we get a fighter who served 12 months, while receiving 30tr and living not in the barracks, but in civilian life (ideally)?
    tell me, how many conscripts will want the same 12 months to barracks the barracks and lose 360?
    1. Hon
      Hon 12 September 2013 15: 49 New
      +1
      You did not count correctly. he will have to serve another 6 months. One month of term is equal to two under the contract, that is, serving 12 months under the contract is the same as serving 6 by term.
    2. chushoj
      chushoj 12 September 2013 15: 52 New
      0
      This is exactly what they do in military schools. After studying for 2 years, they are equated with those who served in the army. But usually they give the contract to sign only after obligation (on time). And here something came up clearly not serving.
      1. Hon
        Hon 12 September 2013 15: 54 New
        +1
        Well, let them serve 2 on a contract instead of 1 on an urgent basis, it turns out that you need to spend twice as much time in the army.
  24. Fitter65
    Fitter65 12 September 2013 15: 58 New
    +1
    For the second month in a row, every Monday, at the general construction, the chief of staff indicates to the commanders of the units to intensify work, among conscripts on entering them on a contract. Of the 23 who expressed a desire, the battalion commander agrees to leave 4, but due to lack of military personnel, they left 21, Today, 6 of them continue to serve, and 2 of them are in question. On the 16th, they will go to "survival" - let's see how much remains?
    1. Hon
      Hon 12 September 2013 16: 00 New
      +1
      How wonderful selection in the army))
  25. USNik
    USNik 12 September 2013 16: 55 New
    +1
    Quote: Kibalchish
    It is high time. All civilized countries have switched to a contract and we have to go. It is clear that with this choice everyone will choose 2, but in human terms than 1 barracks slavery. The army needs only a contract wink
    I did not know that Israel and Sweden were lowered into the category of third-rate Zimbabwe with their obligation repeat
    1. Kibalchish
      Kibalchish 12 September 2013 17: 19 New
      0
      Israel has nowhere to go, and Sweden - x. h. (In addition, the term was canceled there three years ago). But in any case, these are exceptions to the general rule. In any case, the service conditions both here and there can not be compared with ours.
  26. albanech
    albanech 12 September 2013 17: 27 New
    0
    Dear! I want to say that you need to immediately take strong graduates for 1,5 years under the contract and create professionals from them and immediately pay decent money: the GRU, special forces, airborne forces, SVR, FSB, etc., so that they do not leave. And the rest should be taken for military service as before for 2 years and to form professional skills with them in order to create a fighter, not cannon fodder! I think we’ve already seen enough of cannon fodder!
    1. Free88
      Free88 12 September 2013 18: 32 New
      0
      Russia does not have that kind of money. There is nothing for the soldiers to pay, otherwise they would not have to be forced into the army.
  27. Wiruz
    Wiruz 12 September 2013 18: 42 New
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    Personally, I think that you need to return two years of service, and to attract young men to the army, for example, you can guarantee free education to any university in any university in the country.
    1. SPLV
      SPLV 13 September 2013 16: 07 New
      0
      And after the first year, half of the students are missing. Even during my studies 20 years ago, no more than a third of those who served graduated from a university. Also a selection. Only one question: now about half of the seats are paid, respectively, only this will remain for the female sex, because free - demobilized. Hooray to illiterate wives?
      In my university, my native specialty (not the most prestigious) now costs about 100 000 per year plus food, accommodation. Only up to about 200 000 per year (modest). Question No. 2: will I pull the education of two children (400 000 in one year)? And you?
      At the time, after graduation, they offered me a contract. Then they would offer me today's equivalent of 30 000 - without hesitation I would go.
  28. Mr.M
    Mr.M 12 September 2013 20: 04 New
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    In my opinion, it’s a wonderful idea, the main thing is to implement it in the form described above. Here, the truth will need to allocate additional budget items for salaries and providing for the life of newly arrived contractors. But something tells me that much less money will be needed for all this than it is skolkovo.

    But imagine how the defense industry will jump, how the number of employees with higher education will increase. This is really a very good idea, in one fell swoop you can provide both a qualitative and quantitative increase in indicators in the army.
  29. Dim btv
    Dim btv 12 September 2013 22: 48 New
    0
    To train a fighter "class specialist" at the level of the first class motorized infantry, tanker really in one year. Increasing the service life will help to solve the problem of picking personnel. The level of training will not increase significantly. Provided that the year will be cooked intensively. He served two years urgent. Some types of standard BMP weapons, such as the AGS, TUCHA, ARROW, have not been studied even on mock-ups. The radio was not taught to set up. A year to prepare is enough. If you learn.
    1. Egor.nic
      Egor.nic 13 September 2013 16: 32 New
      0
      This is of course your personal opinion. But you are wrong. You correctly noted that a year to study military science is necessary, if not more. But another year or more should be practiced. Otherwise, from study and, as you say, from a class specialist, there will be no trace. And in a year they will cook cannon fodder.
  30. allekkss
    allekkss 13 September 2013 10: 14 New
    +1
    Quote: Volkhov
    All this nonsense was invented in order for people to have the status of a contractor, which can be sent, for example, to Syria, that's all. There aren’t enough people in such places - the Saudi won suicide bombings in prisons of 1300 ... the issue of discipline is clearly resolved there. And the draftees put cheese in a mousetrap - an apartment, a salary ... the hot south and the MDZ when there is a threat of captivity.

    There is a risk, but this is a contract service, I don’t like it - you can serve a year at the call. The main thing is the choice. Someone would prefer to just pull the strap over the course of the year, and someone would use the time of service with benefit, gain experience (it’s not for nothing that everyone says that you can’t master any serious army specialty in a year), and even your salary. And they can send them to the hot spot by call, this is not welcomed now, but the army is the army and orders are not accepted to discuss.
  31. Seamen
    Seamen 13 September 2013 16: 02 New
    0
    Maybe I also have to jerk ..... soldier
  32. Serg 122
    Serg 122 14 September 2013 02: 25 New
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    Do you sign up for demos? laughing