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China is developing a destroyer displacement 12000 t

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Since the end of last year, foreign military forums began discussing the development of large 12000 t missile destroyers in China, which are larger in size than the American Arly Burk-class EM, and will yield only to the promising DDG-1000, Chinese Internet resources report.


The destroyer is designated Type 055 and should complement Type 052. It is reported that the new EM is designed with the maximum use of stealth technology, a fully “electric power plant” and an open electronic architecture for the quick integration of new equipment and weapons. The main armament will consist of HHQ-26 missile defense systems (similar to the American SM-3) and cruise missiles to destroy ground targets, as well as a laser gun. The ship will be able to detect and track hundreds of targets at once. New destroyers will appear in Chinese navy with 2020 years.
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  1. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 11 September 2013 11: 34 New
    +9
    12000t? A sickly destroyer. belay
    1. arutun
      arutun 11 September 2013 11: 41 New
      +2
      One displacement, look at the main weapons
      32 cruise missiles in front and 32 in the rear. Total simultaneously up to 64 missiles. Not bad at all. At our place in Moscow, if I’m not mistaken, 16 in total.
      1. Guun
        Guun 11 September 2013 11: 49 New
        23
        On Moscow are the P-1000 Volcano of the "killer aircraft carriers" the largest and most powerful cruise missiles. To compare them with a small caliber is like a finger with one place to compare.
        1. chunga-changa
          chunga-changa 12 September 2013 10: 09 New
          0
          Comparing cruise missiles with anti-ship missiles is generally stupid. In winged animals the main quantity, in PRK the main power and quality.
      2. Sakhalininsk
        Sakhalininsk 11 September 2013 14: 07 New
        +2
        Quote: arutun
        32 cruise missiles in front and 32 in the rear. Total simultaneously up to 64 missiles.


        Chinese counterpart Arly Burkov. As they say, wait and see what the Chinese will build for the Destro.
        1. Mairos
          Mairos 11 September 2013 14: 30 New
          +2
          I was amused by the mention of the laser gun. They are in this area generally not in the subject and have never dealt with
          1. StolzSS
            StolzSS 11 September 2013 19: 57 New
            +2
            They are just in the subject))) they even have laser rifles)))
            1. 77bor1973
              77bor1973 11 September 2013 21: 48 New
              +2
              This is what a little "Boeing" in St. Petersburg did not land? Then you should not be afraid.
          2. Oleg14774
            Oleg14774 11 September 2013 21: 32 New
            +1
            Quote: Mairos
            They are in this area generally not in the subject and have never dealt with

            That is not the topic, yes, but no one bothers them to steal technology. Here they are ahead of the rest.
      3. Commodus
        Commodus 11 September 2013 14: 58 New
        +2
        64 rockets. Given that the greatest danger to the Chinese fleet is not the strike ships of the Americans or the Yap, but their aviation, about 40 cells will be given under the air defense system. The remaining ones will be clogged from the task, but nevertheless the firing range of the volcano and Chinese missiles are still not comparable, at least for now.
        1. Odysseus
          Odysseus 11 September 2013 15: 59 New
          +1
          Quote: Commodus
          64 rockets

          64 missiles on destroyers O52D (in 2014 2 take on the fleet). At 055 will be more.
          1. Mairos
            Mairos 11 September 2013 16: 21 New
            +2
            This is a total missile - of all types, no one will stuff it only with anti-ship missiles.
    2. Army1
      Army1 11 September 2013 18: 27 New
      +1
      Well, what’s ours there, hello where? 2016 is not happy am
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 11 September 2013 20: 18 New
        +2
        Why no one asks a question ........... We then when will we build such?
    3. starshina78
      starshina78 11 September 2013 21: 45 New
      +1
      When will our destroyers finally appear? It may be enough to rivet the coastal fleet, such as corvettes. We can’t destroyers, at least SKRs (frigates) can do more.
      1. Nitup
        Nitup 11 September 2013 22: 37 New
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        Quote: starshina78
        When will our destroyers finally appear? It may be enough to rivet the coastal fleet, such as corvettes. We can’t destroyers, at least SKRs (frigates) can do more.

        In 2016 year.
  2. Flooding
    Flooding 11 September 2013 11: 36 New
    +2
    Quote: article
    The main armament will consist of HHQ-26 missile defense systems (similar to the American SM-3) and cruise missiles to destroy ground targets, as well as a laser gun.

    I hope that the Chinese will not get the laser gun.
    There is still some time left until 2020.
    Well, in fact, they do not hope for a northern neighbor.

    Jokes are jokes. But the Chinese have a lot of plans.
    What will all this result in: wait and see.
    1. Guun
      Guun 11 September 2013 11: 52 New
      +2
      After the collapse of the USSR, a lot of secret flowed into China. It is possible that the development of laser - beam weapons also came to them.
    2. eplewke
      eplewke 11 September 2013 12: 20 New
      0
      If the economy pulls out. And then they slow down. Moreover, in the foreseeable future, the amers will begin to strangle. Yankees - in their furnace. All interfere ...
      1. Mairos
        Mairos 11 September 2013 14: 32 New
        +1
        Yes, let the Chinese get in the way, or they’ll accelerate too much and turn into a second USA, but we have a population of XNUMX billion at our side.
  3. xetai9977
    xetai9977 11 September 2013 11: 36 New
    +5
    China is striving for leadership at full steam. Good economic performance compared to other countries and stability very help them achieve their goals.
  4. denson06
    denson06 11 September 2013 11: 39 New
    +1
    The Chinese have crazy opportunities now and production facilities .. one expert voiced his opinion that China can, if necessary, launch an average ship like this in the picture every day .. maybe he exaggerated a little, but nonetheless ...
    Well, well done Chinese .. hi One can only envy their capabilities ..
    1. Zlodeey
      Zlodeey 11 September 2013 11: 48 New
      +3
      Quote: denson06
      launch every day on an average ship like the one in the picture .. maybe he exaggerated a little, but nonetheless ...

      Wash very exaggerated.
      1. Guun
        Guun 11 September 2013 11: 54 New
        0
        During the war with Japan, the United States let out as many ships and aircraft as could not sink and bring down the Imperial fleet, stupidly showered with numbers. China can afford it.
        1. ka5280
          ka5280 11 September 2013 13: 47 New
          +2
          It’s one thing to produce a piston fighter or ship of the times of the Second World War; no other country in the world, including matrasland, can clip this technology. And secondly, how long will it take to train staff on this technique?
        2. avt
          avt 11 September 2013 18: 02 New
          +1
          Quote: Guun
          During the war with Japan, the United States let out as many ships and aircraft as could not sink and bring down the Imperial fleet, stupidly showered with numbers.
          You throw it to me here understand. “Fill up" is the prerogative of a totalitarian Stalinist regime. " laughing what you thought up - ,, failed "
      2. ka5280
        ka5280 11 September 2013 13: 36 New
        +2
        I will not say about Chinese shipbuilding, but in South Korea a tanker with a displacement of 35000 is built in 40 days. Since bookmarking!
    2. Mairos
      Mairos 11 September 2013 16: 22 New
      +4
      It is worth seriously worrying, and not just envy. It would not have come to the point that it is necessary to enter into an alliance with the Americans against the Chinese - you never know ..
  5. saturn.mmm
    saturn.mmm 11 September 2013 11: 49 New
    +4
    The main armament will consist of HHQ-26 missile defense systems (similar to the American SM-3) and cruise missiles to destroy ground targets, as well as a laser gun.
    Well if the laser gun then oh.
  6. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 11 September 2013 11: 51 New
    +5
    The Wuhan Institute of Marine Electric Motors, part of China Shipbuilding Industry, announced the creation of an electric transmission for various classes of ships. According to Xinhua, the development of the transmission was completed in mid-July 2013. Thanks to the new development, China will be able to increase the running characteristics of its submarines and surface ships.

    Currently, most ships in the Chinese Navy use a mechanical transmission. With this arrangement, diesel, steam, or gas turbine engines rotate the propeller shaft directly. This significantly limits the speed of ships and their range. Under the new scheme, diesel or gas turbine engines spin the generator, which then provides electricity to the ship's electric motors.

    According to the agency, Chinese companies are not yet capable of producing ship gas turbine engines with a sufficiently large resource. Such power plants are imported into the country. The transition to an electric transmission will reduce the load on such engines, increasing their resource, as well as simplify the design of the ship. In addition, the use of an electric transmission saves space on the ship.

    In February 2013, the Chinese government officially approved the program for creating surface ships with a nuclear power plant. The implementation of this project is carried out under the code "863". An order to develop key technologies for nuclear ships, primarily aircraft carriers, was received by China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation.
    http://forum.militaryparitet.com/viewtopic.php?id=954&p=2
    1. ka5280
      ka5280 11 September 2013 13: 43 New
      +1
      The electric motor will be very large in the first place, and secondly, its control will be very capricious, the frequency of the converter, for controlling the electric. Motors are pretty expensive.
      1. Skiff_spb
        Skiff_spb 11 September 2013 17: 51 New
        +1
        Electronics and its components, mass production is well established.
        And modern engines are smaller and more powerful. There have already been hybrids, electric cars went all the way, and there, too, you need not weak motors of small dimensions.
        1. ka5280
          ka5280 12 September 2013 02: 27 New
          0
          To move at a speed of 30 knots, a ship of this size will need 100-150 thousand kW of power, can you imagine the size of such electric motors?
          1. Skiff_spb
            Skiff_spb 12 September 2013 09: 07 New
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            The locomotive VL80, 6.5 thousand kW, the 80th year on the same technological base, with Soviet transistorms from the 80s in the control system, in a relatively small size. And now, 40 years later, when there are powerful mosfets for pulse control, 3-phase motors on rare-earth magnets, can not you build a power plant with a total capacity of 100-150 thousand kW for the dimensions of the ship?
  7. Konsmo
    Konsmo 11 September 2013 11: 51 New
    +6
    Interestingly, the laser gun shoots into the fog. And how many meters. But what about artificial fog with foil reflectors?
    And it will turn out like in the battle of Crecy. After the rain, the French crossbows did not shoot the bowstring wet.
    The British kept a bowstring under their arm and put them on bows only during the French attack.
    And ended the French chivalry.
    History can make a circle because of the weather. drinks
  8. Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 11 September 2013 11: 56 New
    +2
    There may not be a laser gun, and the generator will be powerful on board. I remember rocket boats, little nimble bastards, made a stir with their appearance. And the larger the enemy, the louder it is to fall. in 2020, China will try to dominate the Pacific. The Japanese squint even more. lol
    1. Guun
      Guun 11 September 2013 12: 05 New
      +1
      The Japanese see the situation and are trying to rebuild their army and navy. But will they be in time? They will no longer catch up with the Chinese - they will break in half, it’s too late already.
  9. Nitup
    Nitup 11 September 2013 12: 01 New
    +2
    And what about our project of a promising destroyer-cruiser in one person? Also, about 11-12 thousand tons should be, in my opinion, and with a powerful air defense / missile defense in the form of S-400 and S-500 systems
    1. Slotxnumx
      Slotxnumx 11 September 2013 17: 19 New
      +2
      http://ria.ru/spb/20130911/962500301.html

      According to the statement of Moscow Region, a variant of a nuclear power plant is possible
  10. JonnyT
    JonnyT 11 September 2013 12: 08 New
    +8
    Hmm ... it seems soon there will be one superpower-China ....... and here we are with the United States dirtying each other .... but everyone forgot about China
    1. Yankuz
      Yankuz 11 September 2013 13: 03 New
      +6
      That's it! Everything goes to this. The Chinese are still a tribe! Insidious! Secretly, they are arming heavily, they are hiding everything for everyone - technology and so on. From them in the future, anything can be expected. It is a pity that our leadership is so naive - they conduct joint exercises, and for what purpose - they learn to fight with us! They study our tactics, strategy, and then use them successfully against us. Why do the Chinese geopolitically support us? They are not afraid of Americans - they are economically stuck with them. And the amers do not rush at them even after supporting our position at the UN. Why? Because they know that China is growing primarily against the Russians, and then against everyone. It is more profitable for the Chinese to support us, so that we consciously understand that they are with us, so that we do not have suspicions about them and we do not expect a trick from them. Ideally - on MY LOOK - Americans need to sharply expand their policies 180 degrees - they need to be friends with us, honestly be friends! To be friends against the Chinese! But this will never happen. So our future against the Chinese, as well as against the amers, is alone.
      1. Nitup
        Nitup 11 September 2013 13: 35 New
        0
        Quote: Yankuz
        They are not afraid of Americans

        Why, then, is the Central Bank of China printing the yuan only for the amount of dollars received in the country?
        1. Yankuz
          Yankuz 11 September 2013 17: 15 New
          0
          Abrupt turns so far nothing to anyone, the balance in the world will be upset. And imagine that at hour X, which is necessary for China, they’ll fold all the dollar state ones. assets? What will happen? China is afloat, and the rest are in w ....!
      2. Nayhas
        Nayhas 11 September 2013 18: 48 New
        +2
        Quote: Yankuz
        Ideally - on MY LOOK - Americans need to sharply expand their policies 180 degrees - they need to be friends with us, honestly be friends! To be friends against the Chinese! But this will never happen. So our future against the Chinese, as well as against the amers, is alone.

        You are partly right, the United States is certainly wary of China and is even building an anti-Chinese axis, but we have no place there. Russia is already too stuck in China ... It's better to be friends with the Japanese, but the islands are a stumbling block ...
    2. alone
      alone 11 September 2013 18: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: JonnyT
      Hmm ... it seems soon there will be one superpower-China ....... and here we are with the United States dirtying each other .... but everyone forgot about China


      By the way, all this is in full swing. China, the country of which in the foreseeable future will turn into a headache no worse than America.
      1. JonnyT
        JonnyT 11 September 2013 20: 05 New
        0
        Of course, the prospects are not encouraging, but if you recall the story, even at dawn, the Chinese empire was new to come, due to new technologies and new tactics ..... thank God that China, in terms of creating something really new, is far behind Russia, the USA, Germany, Japan, but the trends are menacing .....
        Even considering this destroyer - huge firepower, but the principles of weapons are as old as the world (the laser doesn’t count) .... I think that such a destroyer also has its own "cheap" Achilles heel ..... it’s possible that these multi-billion destroyers will be successfully sink millions of anti-ship missiles
  11. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 11 September 2013 12: 41 New
    0
    we wouldn’t have such chances to order 6 from the Chinese .... but somehow they buy high-tech weapons from us and we don’t have .... it's time to change the alignment
    1. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 11 September 2013 12: 52 New
      +3
      Quote: Grigorich 1962
      we wouldn’t have such chances to order 6 from the Chinese .... but somehow they buy high-tech weapons from us and we don’t have .... it's time to change the alignment

      You probably joked. God forbid that the Chinese would buy high-tech weapons from us all their lives.
    2. Hyperborean
      Hyperborean 11 September 2013 13: 59 New
      0
      also thought about it ... buy cases and stuff
    3. AK-47
      AK-47 11 September 2013 14: 22 New
      0
      Quote: Grigorich 1962
      we would have 6 such things from the Chinese to order would not hurt

      Danger, may not swim.
      1. alone
        alone 11 September 2013 18: 12 New
        +2
        just do not swim. Do you think China will give you something normal? Everything good for yourself
  12. ka5280
    ka5280 11 September 2013 12: 50 New
    +1
    A completely electric propulsive installation is completely in no way. I work on a diesel-electric vessel; propulsion electric installation sucks. With such a displacement, it was necessary to beat the marching 4-stroke diesel engines. Autonomy is big, easy to maintain.
    Personally, my opinion is to take a cheap container truck platform with a displacement of 30/40 thousand tons to install all the most advanced weapons and equipment. It would be a great car.
  13. Eksgayster
    Eksgayster 11 September 2013 13: 08 New
    0
    This is called full electric movement. A turbo-diesel generator, an electric motor, through an oil clutch (a smooth and relatively silent change in speed) to the propeller shaft. It is used on NDPL, it was used on some American battleships built before World War II. On modern surface ships introduced by the British. The diesel generator is raised in the superstructure, as a result of reduced noise.
    1. ka5280
      ka5280 11 September 2013 13: 31 New
      +1
      To change the frequency of rotation, they put a frequency converter, they then change the frequency of rotation of the email. motor.
      1. Duelist
        Duelist 11 September 2013 14: 59 New
        +1
        Frequency inverters are a good thing, but just one electromagnetic pulse like tactical nuclear weapons and your super-duper mover turns into a trough with a paddle drive! Alas, countryman, not so simple!
  14. nikcris
    nikcris 11 September 2013 13: 11 New
    +2
    It seemed to me alone that the Chinese revived Jules Verne with Wells? Or are they sure now that 2020 will not come?
  15. indiggo
    indiggo 11 September 2013 13: 25 New
    0
    is there UVP? have the Chinese already passed us
  16. cryloff.il
    cryloff.il 11 September 2013 13: 36 New
    +1
    If the army is created to protect the state, then from whom is China going to defend itself?
    1. Bigriver
      Bigriver 11 September 2013 15: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: cryloff.il
      If the army is created to protect the state, then from whom is China going to defend itself?

      From the Pacific Coalition of States gathered in Asia-Pacific by the states.
  17. cherkas.oe
    cherkas.oe 11 September 2013 13: 45 New
    +2
    Quote: nikcris
    It seemed to me alone that the Chinese revived Jules Verne with Wells?

    You are not alone, my friend. The laser cannon and the "stealth" body are certainly good, but in my opinion the Chinese are beginning to master bad grandmothers and build what they do not know how, as in aviation.
  18. RomanN
    RomanN 11 September 2013 13: 48 New
    +2
    My opinion as a Primorye is that all of China’s friendship with us is directed primarily against us, they don’t hide it in personal contact. And these destroyers are for continuation of 'active' activity after a showdown with us somewhere in 15-17 years.
    1. nikcris
      nikcris 11 September 2013 13: 54 New
      +2
      Come on you bother fellow
      Just recently, "Engineer Hyperboloid Garin" was translated into Chinese ...
    2. Bigriver
      Bigriver 11 September 2013 15: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: RomanN
      ... And these destroyers to continue the "active" activity after a showdown with us somewhere in the 15-17 years.

      China VERY long will be no one.
      They have a twenty-year plan to become the core of the Asian economic hub (China, Japan, Asia and Australia). Already now this node makes up 4/5 of the global commodity circulation.
      There is also a strategic internal task - the balance of its economy and its self-sufficiency. It is on this that China is now concentrating all its forces.
      But the United States, it would be a trump card, so that China instantly stupid and began to bother the northern neighbor, considering its rear for some reason, as a strategic goal wassat
      1. RomanN
        RomanN 11 September 2013 17: 22 New
        -2
        They will notice the Far East between us without straining, and they are preparing for it with might and main. And they simply will not pay attention to our blathering, just as now
        1. alex86
          alex86 11 September 2013 21: 44 New
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          Quote: RomanN
          our blathering simply will not pay attention, just as now

          I agree, he wrote several times here that they will enter us in columns, even unarmed, and we won’t do anything, and we won’t do anything - we’ll be afraid. And here there are enough people convinced that we are “brothers forever”. And our 140 million for them - only 10% of the population, but actually living in the Far East and the adjacent regions of Siberia - that is just 1% (I do not pursue accuracy). And human losses for them can even be useful (cynically, but in essence, I think, close to the truth).
          1. Arabist
            Arabist 11 September 2013 21: 47 New
            0
            Let them learn to fight first, otherwise we won’t do anything. Why so sure?
          2. Nitup
            Nitup 11 September 2013 22: 47 New
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            Quote: alex86
            Quote: RomanN
            our blathering simply will not pay attention, just as now

            I agree, he wrote several times here that they will enter us in columns, even unarmed, and we won’t do anything, and we won’t do anything - we’ll be afraid. And here there are enough people convinced that we are “brothers forever”. And our 140 million for them - only 10% of the population, but actually living in the Far East and the adjacent regions of Siberia - that is just 1% (I do not pursue accuracy). And human losses for them can even be useful (cynically, but in essence, I think, close to the truth).

            Very stupid conclusion. In Russia, all are not cowards, like you. We are far from unarmed. And we have better weapons than them. And the fact that they have a population of 1,5 billion, so it will not give them anything. TNW equalizes all. I don’t consider them brothers forever, but I don’t think either hostile, ready to occupy all of Russia in 5 minutes. As long as we are able to give them the teeth and while we sell them resources, they have neither the desire nor the reason to attack us.
  19. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 11 September 2013 14: 06 New
    0
    Or maybe we should take and cooperate with the Chinese on this project. We are also going to build our own destroyer of 12000 tons with a displacement. Make the housing and power plant common. And then each has his own.
  20. Duelist
    Duelist 11 September 2013 14: 49 New
    +2
    Quote: Yankuz
    Ideally - on MY LOOK - Americans need to sharply expand their policies 180 degrees - they need to be friends with us, honestly be friends!

    Type: friends do not need to have friends with them you need ?!
    God forbid from such Friends! There is a struggle for survival and only the lazy (Russia) is worried about it. Our worst enemy is corruption, it drains not only financial resources, but also corrupts society. But the Chinese do not allow this hydra to roam, and in our country it has grown together with power ... with all kinds of power.
    1. alone
      alone 11 September 2013 18: 14 New
      +2
      Neither China nor America can be friends. each of them has its own goals and plans.
  21. sven27
    sven27 11 September 2013 15: 31 New
    -1
    Don’t worry, ours will come up with such a miracle by 2020!
    1. Oleg14774
      Oleg14774 11 September 2013 21: 41 New
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      Quote: sven27
      Don’t worry, ours will come up with such a miracle by 2020!

      Yes, come up with a business is not tricky, to implement what is now planned!
  22. Odysseus
    Odysseus 11 September 2013 16: 07 New
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    The PRC is acting systematically and clearly. First, production facilities and personnel were created. Then, they began to rearm the army.
    In relation to the main escort / strike ships, at first they built individual destroyers "for testing", now they have started serial construction. Next year, 6 052C destroyers are completed, then 10 052D immediately, then this 12000 ton.
  23. Sirs
    Sirs 11 September 2013 16: 14 New
    0
    Do you have anything to answer in the oceans?
    1. Mairos
      Mairos 11 September 2013 16: 27 New
      -1
      It is enough for us to answer from the shore, on land and in the air
  24. nikcris
    nikcris 11 September 2013 16: 36 New
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    Quote: Sirs
    Do you have anything to answer in the oceans?

    What for? We are not Buyan Island (Japan-Taiwan). You can directly cover the approaching waves from the Transsib with artillery TNW)))
    But on a "global scale" - in Singapore, and so the Chinese live.
    But I would like to be peaceful - the Chinese at night we would teapots riveted a hundred rubles, we give them oil a hundred bucks per barrel. Translating into InduUist - Hindi-Rus bhai-bhai. wink
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  26. RomanN
    RomanN 11 September 2013 17: 13 New
    +2
    As for the Pacific Fleet, there was only one misunderstanding left, all the ships that can move go on hikes and, in general, are heard by the whole press. full sense of the word. So we will answer with notes of protest from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
  27. nikcris
    nikcris 11 September 2013 18: 51 New
    +2
    Quote: RomanN
    As for the Pacific Fleet, there was only one misunderstanding left, all the ships that can move go on hikes and, in general, are heard by the whole press. full sense of the word. So we will answer with notes of protest from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

    This is the old trouble of our fleet. But the Pacific Fleet didn’t even drown massively on their own, as, for example, the Black Sea. Or, through samurai, the Baltic. In general, the impression is that the transition from wood to iron, from sails to steam stopped Russia, the USSR and again Russia in place. And the orders of Ushakov-Nakhimov look a disgrace. Kolchak with his mines pops up for memory - This is a plus. Big. But all battleships with cruisers - This is a minus. Big.
    The Great Patriotic War for the main (Baltic and Black Sea) fleets is a series of defeats. It doesn’t fit into the head - the unthinkable investment of the attendants went aimlessly to the bottom or rusted. The coolest thing - The USSR had three battleships. What did they do throughout the war? "Marat" beat the 87th Junkers-Lappeter. He further courageously shot somewhere. Sitting still. Does anyone know another such courageous battleship WWII?
    The Paris Commune turned its main caliber and courageously sat in Poti, right up to the salute on Red Square. The October Revolution, a formidable weapon at the mouth of the Neva, courageously strengthened the defense of the Cradle of the Revolution. But here's the bad luck - last week I tried to chop flies to shreds with an ax - I never got ...
    I am silent. Can be minus hi
  28. nikcris
    nikcris 11 September 2013 19: 09 New
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    And the drap from Tallinn BF, described as a “feat of intelligence,” is a generally washable shame. And all for the cruiser "Maxim Gorky". Visitors to the site, do you remember the subsequent victories of this cruiser?
  29. nikcris
    nikcris 11 September 2013 19: 29 New
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    I would also like to note that the Black Sea in 41-42 contributed. I'm not about the heroes of Sevastopol, I'm about sailors. They fired and Romania, and rescued Odessa.
    It is a pity that Romania did not get much then - it was not up to it. And when the Russians came to avenge Stalingrad, the Moldavian Romanians quickly overthrew Antonescu (like Ceausescu later) - here we are fluffy and almost white, do not beat us.
  30. vadim dok
    vadim dok 11 September 2013 19: 32 New
    +1
    This is already a bell for Russia!
  31. nikcris
    nikcris 11 September 2013 19: 45 New
    +1
    Quote: vadim dok
    This is already a bell for Russia!

    Are you talking about a laser gun on a ship? A. Tolstoy had just called me and with frank frankness informed that he invented engineer Garin with the money of the State Department. Which of us to put in a madhouse? I insist on your priority.
  32. mithridate
    mithridate 11 September 2013 19: 46 New
    +1
    declare not mean build in reality with given characteristics
  33. nikcris
    nikcris 11 September 2013 20: 08 New
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    Quote: silver_roman
    the superstructure is a bit like a British destroyer.

    I think they’ve stolen a little from each new ship, and here’s a new destroyer for you.

    Ahead of the laser gun?
    1. nikcris
      nikcris 11 September 2013 20: 36 New
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      It is she. Through a rifled barrel, she sends a swirling light stream into the enemy. Swirling so that the thought does not go astray. And taG - yes. From two or four dozen such, we lose thirty kilometers of the Trans-Siberian Railway. And we get hemorrhoids with the elimination of radioactive contamination - the infected Chinese will cross the Amur, and we, as cultural ones, will not be able to drown them in time and quietly ...
  34. Vtel
    Vtel 11 September 2013 21: 17 New
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    Since the end of last year, foreign military forums began to discuss the development in China of large missile destroyers with a displacement of 12000 tons

    Development in Russia, and construction in China.

    "The main headquarters of the Russian Navy approved a draft project for a heavy class destroyer, Izvestia writes on February 13.
    The project of a promising destroyer of the far sea zone was presented by the design design bureau Severnoye in St. Petersburg. According to the project, the new ship will be the largest of those built in the post-Soviet era. Its displacement will be approximately 12 thousand tons. The destroyer will be able to perform shock, anti-submarine, anti-aircraft and anti-missile functions, and will also be able to support ground troops in the coastal waters with fire
    Armament: presumably an air defense / missile defense / air defense system similar to the S-500 or more advanced air defense system.

    Destroyers of the 21956 project - the project of destroyers with guided missile weapons, developed by the Northern Design Bureau. Should come to replace the destroyers of the project 956 "Modern".
    Power point:
    - nuclear power plant (NPP);
    - 2 marching gas turbine engines DO-90 and 2 afterburning gas turbine engines DT-59 - with a total capacity of 74000 hp

    Armament:
    - UKSK (universal ship firing systems), ammunition for anti-ship missiles, anti-submarine missile torpedoes, cruise missiles for firing at ground targets and medium and long-range anti-aircraft missiles - 80-130 units;
    - one or two gun mounts AK-130 or A-192.

    Estimated price of about 2-2,5 billion dollars (estimated at the beginning of 2011). "
  35. CARBON
    CARBON 11 September 2013 21: 43 New
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    Apparently, the Chinese understand that in the 20 years they have a real prospect of conflict with the United States and, or, with their allies in the Pacific. That's why they are building the Navy: aircraft carriers, UDC, frigates, "super destroyers". The reason is clear, if on earth try to kill all the Chinese, then at sea they still have neither numerical nor qualitative superiority.
  36. Yankuz
    Yankuz 11 September 2013 23: 11 New
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    Quote: CARBON
    Apparently, the Chinese understand that in the 20 years they have a real prospect of conflict with the United States and, or, with their allies in the Pacific.

    Yes America surrendered to them! They will supplant them anyway sooner or later, only a cloud of such ships is being blotted out. What should they take in America? There is nothing there anymore - the capitalists have eaten everything! If only the amers under their feet would not get confused then, but perhaps as a source of promising technologies. They need raw Russia - and almost all of them - up to the Urals, including at least! In Russia, there is everything so that China with such a large population and with such ambitions can survive for a long time. They would rather need an army and navy so that later someone like amers would not stick to the side of the Siberian wealth they had conquered. In general, no one will ever know what the Chinese really have in mind! They all smile endlessly - but it’s anatomical! - this must be remembered! And the opposite is hidden behind a smile! I would not know - I did not write. And I personally came across them at the dawn of their expansion in the early 90s in Primorye, when they bought all electric goods in our stores and took them to their place - everything that is plugged into the outlet, everything was taken out! And they brought us their cheap low-grade leather jackets. Then they talked! And I assure you - it would be better if we did not know them!
  37. patsantre
    patsantre 12 September 2013 00: 30 New
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    And who believes that China has a laser and an analogue of the SM-3? Yes, and the figure clearly has nothing to do with the type-55.
    1. Odysseus
      Odysseus 12 September 2013 02: 18 New
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      Quote: patsantre
      And who believes that China has a laser and an analogue of SM-3?

      The laser is certainly nonsense, but the analogue of SM-3 may appear by 2020.
      Quote: patsantre
      And the figure clearly has nothing to do with type-55.

      Figure fake, but the news is real. China is steadily increasing the capabilities and displacement of its destroyers
  38. Eugeniy_369
    Eugeniy_369 12 September 2013 01: 30 New
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    On Moscow are the P-1000 Volcano of the "killer aircraft carriers" the largest and most powerful cruise missiles. To compare them with a small caliber is like a finger with one place to compare.

    In terms of size, yes, it’s not even a missile but an aircraft projectile))) only what will they give target designation for killing an aircraft carrier? anything about the "legend"?
    For the sinking of an aircraft carrier ... "This theory was solved with the greatest difficulty (theoretically !!!) during the years of greatness and massiveness of the USSR Air Force!
    At this stage for us ... it's UTOPIA !!!! "- vaf.
    And why beat them? They almost all in Norfolk rust. Mani, mani began to see a little wink
    And the swing of the Chinese comrades is not bad what , just hunting gritting teeth with chagrin, why do we only deal with trifles and talkers? Already the destroyers could have been laid down, they would have lived without the World Cup, “Preparation for the World Cup 2018 was estimated by the government at 664,1 billion rubles” - I think for 6 pieces of project 21956, even at a price of 3 lard greens and our total theft was enough would.
    Damn, 6 brand new destroyers or Lenka Messiah (Lionel Messi)? The first thing is more pleasant to me, I would consider Pele for such a squadron and Arshavin wassat .
  39. Bigriver
    Bigriver 12 September 2013 04: 37 New
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    Quote: alex86
    Quote: RomanN
    our blathering simply will not pay attention, just as now

    I agree, he wrote several times here that they will enter us in columns, even unarmed, and we won’t do anything, and we won’t do anything - we’ll be afraid. And here there are enough people convinced that we ...

    Your faith is not backed up by anything. Neither knowledge of the conditions of the Far East and Baikal theater, nor the features of the North-Chinese infrastructure. Therefore, about the Columns of the Chinese, you blurted out outright nonsense.
    The main indicator of the near-medium-term intentions of the state is its development strategy. The state, people, nation is a very heavy and inert substance. In the 21st century, they cannot be deployed in an instant from one path to another.
    Preparation for aggression of this level should take one and a half to two decades. And she cannot pass unnoticed.
    These are not the marginals from all over the BV to collect, with the aim of dropping them with light weapons through the cordon into Syria.