China is developing a destroyer displacement 12000 t

Since the end of last year, foreign military forums began discussing the development of large 12000 t missile destroyers in China, which are larger in size than the American Arly Burk-class EM, and will yield only to the promising DDG-1000, Chinese Internet resources report.

The destroyer is designated Type 055 and should complement Type 052. It is reported that the new EM is designed with the maximum use of stealth technology, a fully “electric power plant” and an open electronic architecture for the quick integration of new equipment and weapons. The main armament will consist of HHQ-26 missile defense systems (similar to the American SM-3) and cruise missiles to destroy ground targets, as well as a laser gun. The ship will be able to detect and track hundreds of targets at once. New destroyers will appear in Chinese navy with 2020 years.

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[Vladimirets]

12000t? A sickly destroyer.

[arutun]

One displacement, look at the main weapons
32 cruise missiles in front and 32 in the rear. Total simultaneously up to 64 missiles. Not bad at all. At our place in Moscow, if I’m not mistaken, 16 in total.

[Guun]

On Moscow are the P-1000 Volcano of the "killer aircraft carriers" the largest and most powerful cruise missiles. To compare them with a small caliber is like a finger with one place to compare.

[chunga-changa]

Comparing cruise missiles with anti-ship missiles is generally stupid. In winged animals the main quantity, in PRK the main power and quality.

[Sakhalininsk]

Quote: arutun

32 cruise missiles in front and 32 in the rear. Total simultaneously up to 64 missiles.

Chinese counterpart Arly Burkov. As they say, wait and see what the Chinese will build for the Destro.

[Mairos]

I was amused by the mention of the laser gun. They are in this area generally not in the subject and have never dealt with

[StolzSS]

They are just in the subject))) they even have laser rifles)))

[77bor1973]

This is what a little "Boeing" in St. Petersburg did not land? Then you should not be afraid.

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Mairos

They are in this area generally not in the subject and have never dealt with

That is not the topic, yes, but no one bothers them to steal technology. Here they are ahead of the rest.

[Commodus]

64 rockets. Given that the greatest danger to the Chinese fleet is not the strike ships of the Americans or the Yap, but their aviation, about 40 cells will be given under the air defense system. The remaining ones will be clogged from the task, but nevertheless the firing range of the volcano and Chinese missiles are still not comparable, at least for now.

[Odysseus]

Quote: Commodus

64 rockets

64 missiles on destroyers O52D (in 2014 2 take on the fleet). At 055 will be more.

[Mairos]

This is a total missile - of all types, no one will stuff it only with anti-ship missiles.

[Army1]

Well, what’s ours there, hello where? 2016 is not happy

[APASUS]

Why no one asks a question ........... We then when will we build such?

[starshina78]

When will our destroyers finally appear? It may be enough to rivet the coastal fleet, such as corvettes. We can’t destroyers, at least SKRs (frigates) can do more.

[Nitup]

Quote: starshina78

When will our destroyers finally appear? It may be enough to rivet the coastal fleet, such as corvettes. We can’t destroyers, at least SKRs (frigates) can do more.

In 2016 year.

[Flooding]

Quote: article

The main armament will consist of HHQ-26 missile defense systems (similar to the American SM-3) and cruise missiles to destroy ground targets, as well as a laser gun.

I hope that the Chinese will not get the laser gun.
There is still some time left until 2020.
Well, in fact, they do not hope for a northern neighbor.

Jokes are jokes. But the Chinese have a lot of plans.
What will all this result in: wait and see.

[Guun]

After the collapse of the USSR, a lot of secret flowed into China. It is possible that the development of laser - beam weapons also came to them.

[eplewke]

If the economy pulls out. And then they slow down. Moreover, in the foreseeable future, the amers will begin to strangle. Yankees - in their furnace. All interfere ...

[Mairos]

Yes, let the Chinese get in the way, or they’ll accelerate too much and turn into a second USA, but we have a population of XNUMX billion at our side.

[xetai9977]

China is striving for leadership at full steam. Good economic performance compared to other countries and stability very help them achieve their goals.

[denson06]

The Chinese have crazy opportunities now and production facilities .. one expert voiced his opinion that China can, if necessary, launch an average ship like this in the picture every day .. maybe he exaggerated a little, but nonetheless ...
Well, well done Chinese .. One can only envy their capabilities ..

[Zlodeey]

Quote: denson06

launch every day on an average ship like the one in the picture .. maybe he exaggerated a little, but nonetheless ...

Wash very exaggerated.

[Guun]

During the war with Japan, the United States let out as many ships and aircraft as could not sink and bring down the Imperial fleet, stupidly showered with numbers. China can afford it.

[ka5280]

It’s one thing to produce a piston fighter or ship of the times of the Second World War; no other country in the world, including matrasland, can clip this technology. And secondly, how long will it take to train staff on this technique?

[avt]

Quote: Guun

During the war with Japan, the United States let out as many ships and aircraft as could not sink and bring down the Imperial fleet, stupidly showered with numbers.

You throw it to me here understand. “Fill up" is the prerogative of a totalitarian Stalinist regime. " what you thought up - ,, failed "

[ka5280]

I will not say about Chinese shipbuilding, but in South Korea a tanker with a displacement of 35000 is built in 40 days. Since bookmarking!

[Mairos]

It is worth seriously worrying, and not just envy. It would not have come to the point that it is necessary to enter into an alliance with the Americans against the Chinese - you never know ..

[saturn.mmm]

The main armament will consist of HHQ-26 missile defense systems (similar to the American SM-3) and cruise missiles to destroy ground targets, as well as a laser gun.
Well if the laser gun then oh.

[smiths xnumx]

The Wuhan Institute of Marine Electric Motors, part of China Shipbuilding Industry, announced the creation of an electric transmission for various classes of ships. According to Xinhua, the development of the transmission was completed in mid-July 2013. Thanks to the new development, China will be able to increase the running characteristics of its submarines and surface ships.

Currently, most ships in the Chinese Navy use a mechanical transmission. With this arrangement, diesel, steam, or gas turbine engines rotate the propeller shaft directly. This significantly limits the speed of ships and their range. Under the new scheme, diesel or gas turbine engines spin the generator, which then provides electricity to the ship's electric motors.

According to the agency, Chinese companies are not yet capable of producing ship gas turbine engines with a sufficiently large resource. Such power plants are imported into the country. The transition to an electric transmission will reduce the load on such engines, increasing their resource, as well as simplify the design of the ship. In addition, the use of an electric transmission saves space on the ship.

In February 2013, the Chinese government officially approved the program for creating surface ships with a nuclear power plant. The implementation of this project is carried out under the code "863". An order to develop key technologies for nuclear ships, primarily aircraft carriers, was received by China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation.

http://forum.militaryparitet.com/viewtopic.php?id=954&p=2

[ka5280]

The electric motor will be very large in the first place, and secondly, its control will be very capricious, the frequency of the converter, for controlling the electric. Motors are pretty expensive.

[Skiff_spb]

Electronics and its components, mass production is well established.
And modern engines are smaller and more powerful. There have already been hybrids, electric cars went all the way, and there, too, you need not weak motors of small dimensions.

[ka5280]

To move at a speed of 30 knots, a ship of this size will need 100-150 thousand kW of power, can you imagine the size of such electric motors?

[Skiff_spb]

The locomotive VL80, 6.5 thousand kW, the 80th year on the same technological base, with Soviet transistorms from the 80s in the control system, in a relatively small size. And now, 40 years later, when there are powerful mosfets for pulse control, 3-phase motors on rare-earth magnets, can not you build a power plant with a total capacity of 100-150 thousand kW for the dimensions of the ship?

[Konsmo]

Interestingly, the laser gun shoots into the fog. And how many meters. But what about artificial fog with foil reflectors?
And it will turn out like in the battle of Crecy. After the rain, the French crossbows did not shoot the bowstring wet.
The British kept a bowstring under their arm and put them on bows only during the French attack.
And ended the French chivalry.
History can make a circle because of the weather.

[Asan Ata]

There may not be a laser gun, and the generator will be powerful on board. I remember rocket boats, little nimble bastards, made a stir with their appearance. And the larger the enemy, the louder it is to fall. in 2020, China will try to dominate the Pacific. The Japanese squint even more.

[Guun]

The Japanese see the situation and are trying to rebuild their army and navy. But will they be in time? They will no longer catch up with the Chinese - they will break in half, it’s too late already.

[Nitup]

And what about our project of a promising destroyer-cruiser in one person? Also, about 11-12 thousand tons should be, in my opinion, and with a powerful air defense / missile defense in the form of S-400 and S-500 systems

[Slotxnumx]

http://ria.ru/spb/20130911/962500301.html

According to the statement of Moscow Region, a variant of a nuclear power plant is possible

[JonnyT]

Hmm ... it seems soon there will be one superpower-China ....... and here we are with the United States dirtying each other .... but everyone forgot about China

[Yankuz]

That's it! Everything goes to this. The Chinese are still a tribe! Insidious! Secretly, they are arming heavily, they are hiding everything for everyone - technology and so on. From them in the future, anything can be expected. It is a pity that our leadership is so naive - they conduct joint exercises, and for what purpose - they learn to fight with us! They study our tactics, strategy, and then use them successfully against us. Why do the Chinese geopolitically support us? They are not afraid of Americans - they are economically stuck with them. And the amers do not rush at them even after supporting our position at the UN. Why? Because they know that China is growing primarily against the Russians, and then against everyone. It is more profitable for the Chinese to support us, so that we consciously understand that they are with us, so that we do not have suspicions about them and we do not expect a trick from them. Ideally - on MY LOOK - Americans need to sharply expand their policies 180 degrees - they need to be friends with us, honestly be friends! To be friends against the Chinese! But this will never happen. So our future against the Chinese, as well as against the amers, is alone.

[Nitup]

Quote: Yankuz

They are not afraid of Americans

Why, then, is the Central Bank of China printing the yuan only for the amount of dollars received in the country?

[Yankuz]

Abrupt turns so far nothing to anyone, the balance in the world will be upset. And imagine that at hour X, which is necessary for China, they’ll fold all the dollar state ones. assets? What will happen? China is afloat, and the rest are in w ....!

[Nayhas]

Quote: Yankuz

Ideally - on MY LOOK - Americans need to sharply expand their policies 180 degrees - they need to be friends with us, honestly be friends! To be friends against the Chinese! But this will never happen. So our future against the Chinese, as well as against the amers, is alone.

You are partly right, the United States is certainly wary of China and is even building an anti-Chinese axis, but we have no place there. Russia is already too stuck in China ... It's better to be friends with the Japanese, but the islands are a stumbling block ...

[alone]

Quote: JonnyT

Hmm ... it seems soon there will be one superpower-China ....... and here we are with the United States dirtying each other .... but everyone forgot about China

By the way, all this is in full swing. China, the country of which in the foreseeable future will turn into a headache no worse than America.

[JonnyT]

Of course, the prospects are not encouraging, but if you recall the story, even at dawn, the Chinese empire was new to come, due to new technologies and new tactics ..... thank God that China, in terms of creating something really new, is far behind Russia, the USA, Germany, Japan, but the trends are menacing .....
Even considering this destroyer - huge firepower, but the principles of weapons are as old as the world (the laser doesn’t count) .... I think that such a destroyer also has its own "cheap" Achilles heel ..... it’s possible that these multi-billion destroyers will be successfully sink millions of anti-ship missiles

[Grigorich 1962]

we wouldn’t have such chances to order 6 from the Chinese .... but somehow they buy high-tech weapons from us and we don’t have .... it's time to change the alignment

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Grigorich 1962

we wouldn’t have such chances to order 6 from the Chinese .... but somehow they buy high-tech weapons from us and we don’t have .... it's time to change the alignment

You probably joked. God forbid that the Chinese would buy high-tech weapons from us all their lives.

[Hyperborean]

also thought about it ... buy cases and stuff

[AK-47]

Quote: Grigorich 1962

we would have 6 such things from the Chinese to order would not hurt

Danger, may not swim.

[alone]

just do not swim. Do you think China will give you something normal? Everything good for yourself

[ka5280]

A completely electric propulsive installation is completely in no way. I work on a diesel-electric vessel; propulsion electric installation sucks. With such a displacement, it was necessary to beat the marching 4-stroke diesel engines. Autonomy is big, easy to maintain.
Personally, my opinion is to take a cheap container truck platform with a displacement of 30/40 thousand tons to install all the most advanced weapons and equipment. It would be a great car.

[Eksgayster]

This is called full electric movement. A turbo-diesel generator, an electric motor, through an oil clutch (a smooth and relatively silent change in speed) to the propeller shaft. It is used on NDPL, it was used on some American battleships built before World War II. On modern surface ships introduced by the British. The diesel generator is raised in the superstructure, as a result of reduced noise.

[ka5280]

To change the frequency of rotation, they put a frequency converter, they then change the frequency of rotation of the email. motor.

[Duelist]

Frequency inverters are a good thing, but just one electromagnetic pulse like tactical nuclear weapons and your super-duper mover turns into a trough with a paddle drive! Alas, countryman, not so simple!

[nikcris]

It seemed to me alone that the Chinese revived Jules Verne with Wells? Or are they sure now that 2020 will not come?

[indiggo]

is there UVP? have the Chinese already passed us

[cryloff.il]

If the army is created to protect the state, then from whom is China going to defend itself?

[Bigriver]

Quote: cryloff.il

If the army is created to protect the state, then from whom is China going to defend itself?

From the Pacific Coalition of States gathered in Asia-Pacific by the states.

[cherkas.oe]

Quote: nikcris

It seemed to me alone that the Chinese revived Jules Verne with Wells?

You are not alone, my friend. The laser cannon and the "stealth" body are certainly good, but in my opinion the Chinese are beginning to master bad grandmothers and build what they do not know how, as in aviation.

[RomanN]

My opinion as a Primorye is that all of China’s friendship with us is directed primarily against us, they don’t hide it in personal contact. And these destroyers are for continuation of 'active' activity after a showdown with us somewhere in 15-17 years.

[nikcris]

Come on you bother
Just recently, "Engineer Hyperboloid Garin" was translated into Chinese ...

[Bigriver]

Quote: RomanN

... And these destroyers to continue the "active" activity after a showdown with us somewhere in the 15-17 years.

China VERY long will be no one.
They have a twenty-year plan to become the core of the Asian economic hub (China, Japan, Asia and Australia). Already now this node makes up 4/5 of the global commodity circulation.
There is also a strategic internal task - the balance of its economy and its self-sufficiency. It is on this that China is now concentrating all its forces.
But the United States, it would be a trump card, so that China instantly stupid and began to bother the northern neighbor, considering its rear for some reason, as a strategic goal

[RomanN]

They will notice the Far East between us without straining, and they are preparing for it with might and main. And they simply will not pay attention to our blathering, just as now

[alex86]

Quote: RomanN

our blathering simply will not pay attention, just as now

I agree, he wrote several times here that they will enter us in columns, even unarmed, and we won’t do anything, and we won’t do anything - we’ll be afraid. And here there are enough people convinced that we are “brothers forever”. And our 140 million for them - only 10% of the population, but actually living in the Far East and the adjacent regions of Siberia - that is just 1% (I do not pursue accuracy). And human losses for them can even be useful (cynically, but in essence, I think, close to the truth).

[Arabist]

Let them learn to fight first, otherwise we won’t do anything. Why so sure?

[Nitup]

Quote: alex86

Quote: RomanN

our blathering simply will not pay attention, just as now

I agree, he wrote several times here that they will enter us in columns, even unarmed, and we won’t do anything, and we won’t do anything - we’ll be afraid. And here there are enough people convinced that we are “brothers forever”. And our 140 million for them - only 10% of the population, but actually living in the Far East and the adjacent regions of Siberia - that is just 1% (I do not pursue accuracy). And human losses for them can even be useful (cynically, but in essence, I think, close to the truth).

Very stupid conclusion. In Russia, all are not cowards, like you. We are far from unarmed. And we have better weapons than them. And the fact that they have a population of 1,5 billion, so it will not give them anything. TNW equalizes all. I don’t consider them brothers forever, but I don’t think either hostile, ready to occupy all of Russia in 5 minutes. As long as we are able to give them the teeth and while we sell them resources, they have neither the desire nor the reason to attack us.

[VohaAhov]

Or maybe we should take and cooperate with the Chinese on this project. We are also going to build our own destroyer of 12000 tons with a displacement. Make the housing and power plant common. And then each has his own.

[Duelist]

Quote: Yankuz

Ideally - on MY LOOK - Americans need to sharply expand their policies 180 degrees - they need to be friends with us, honestly be friends!

Type: friends do not need to have friends with them you need ?!
God forbid from such Friends! There is a struggle for survival and only the lazy (Russia) is worried about it. Our worst enemy is corruption, it drains not only financial resources, but also corrupts society. But the Chinese do not allow this hydra to roam, and in our country it has grown together with power ... with all kinds of power.

[alone]

Neither China nor America can be friends. each of them has its own goals and plans.

[sven27]

Don’t worry, ours will come up with such a miracle by 2020!

[Oleg14774]

Quote: sven27

Don’t worry, ours will come up with such a miracle by 2020!

Yes, come up with a business is not tricky, to implement what is now planned!

[Odysseus]

The PRC is acting systematically and clearly. First, production facilities and personnel were created. Then, they began to rearm the army.
In relation to the main escort / strike ships, at first they built individual destroyers "for testing", now they have started serial construction. Next year, 6 052C destroyers are completed, then 10 052D immediately, then this 12000 ton.

[Sirs]

Do you have anything to answer in the oceans?

[Mairos]

It is enough for us to answer from the shore, on land and in the air

[nikcris]

Quote: Sirs

Do you have anything to answer in the oceans?

What for? We are not Buyan Island (Japan-Taiwan). You can directly cover the approaching waves from the Transsib with artillery TNW)))
But on a "global scale" - in Singapore, and so the Chinese live.
But I would like to be peaceful - the Chinese at night we would teapots riveted a hundred rubles, we give them oil a hundred bucks per barrel. Translating into InduUist - Hindi-Rus bhai-bhai.

[RomanN]

As for the Pacific Fleet, there was only one misunderstanding left, all the ships that can move go on hikes and, in general, are heard by the whole press. full sense of the word. So we will answer with notes of protest from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

[nikcris]

Quote: RomanN

As for the Pacific Fleet, there was only one misunderstanding left, all the ships that can move go on hikes and, in general, are heard by the whole press. full sense of the word. So we will answer with notes of protest from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

This is the old trouble of our fleet. But the Pacific Fleet didn’t even drown massively on their own, as, for example, the Black Sea. Or, through samurai, the Baltic. In general, the impression is that the transition from wood to iron, from sails to steam stopped Russia, the USSR and again Russia in place. And the orders of Ushakov-Nakhimov look a disgrace. Kolchak with his mines pops up for memory - This is a plus. Big. But all battleships with cruisers - This is a minus. Big.
The Great Patriotic War for the main (Baltic and Black Sea) fleets is a series of defeats. It doesn’t fit into the head - the unthinkable investment of the attendants went aimlessly to the bottom or rusted. The coolest thing - The USSR had three battleships. What did they do throughout the war? "Marat" beat the 87th Junkers-Lappeter. He further courageously shot somewhere. Sitting still. Does anyone know another such courageous battleship WWII?
The Paris Commune turned its main caliber and courageously sat in Poti, right up to the salute on Red Square. The October Revolution, a formidable weapon at the mouth of the Neva, courageously strengthened the defense of the Cradle of the Revolution. But here's the bad luck - last week I tried to chop flies to shreds with an ax - I never got ...
I am silent. Can be minus

[nikcris]

And the drap from Tallinn BF, described as a “feat of intelligence,” is a generally washable shame. And all for the cruiser "Maxim Gorky". Visitors to the site, do you remember the subsequent victories of this cruiser?

[nikcris]

I would also like to note that the Black Sea in 41-42 contributed. I'm not about the heroes of Sevastopol, I'm about sailors. They fired and Romania, and rescued Odessa.
It is a pity that Romania did not get much then - it was not up to it. And when the Russians came to avenge Stalingrad, the Moldavian Romanians quickly overthrew Antonescu (like Ceausescu later) - here we are fluffy and almost white, do not beat us.

[vadim dok]

This is already a bell for Russia!

[nikcris]

Quote: vadim dok

This is already a bell for Russia!

Are you talking about a laser gun on a ship? A. Tolstoy had just called me and with frank frankness informed that he invented engineer Garin with the money of the State Department. Which of us to put in a madhouse? I insist on your priority.

[mithridate]

declare not mean build in reality with given characteristics

[nikcris]

Quote: silver_roman

the superstructure is a bit like a British destroyer.

I think they’ve stolen a little from each new ship, and here’s a new destroyer for you.

Ahead of the laser gun?

[nikcris]

It is she. Through a rifled barrel, she sends a swirling light stream into the enemy. Swirling so that the thought does not go astray. And taG - yes. From two or four dozen such, we lose thirty kilometers of the Trans-Siberian Railway. And we get hemorrhoids with the elimination of radioactive contamination - the infected Chinese will cross the Amur, and we, as cultural ones, will not be able to drown them in time and quietly ...

[Vtel]

Since the end of last year, foreign military forums began to discuss the development in China of large missile destroyers with a displacement of 12000 tons

Development in Russia, and construction in China.

"The main headquarters of the Russian Navy approved a draft project for a heavy class destroyer, Izvestia writes on February 13.
The project of a promising destroyer of the far sea zone was presented by the design design bureau Severnoye in St. Petersburg. According to the project, the new ship will be the largest of those built in the post-Soviet era. Its displacement will be approximately 12 thousand tons. The destroyer will be able to perform shock, anti-submarine, anti-aircraft and anti-missile functions, and will also be able to support ground troops in the coastal waters with fire
Armament: presumably an air defense / missile defense / air defense system similar to the S-500 or more advanced air defense system.

Destroyers of the 21956 project - the project of destroyers with guided missile weapons, developed by the Northern Design Bureau. Should come to replace the destroyers of the project 956 "Modern".
Power point:
- nuclear power plant (NPP);
- 2 marching gas turbine engines DO-90 and 2 afterburning gas turbine engines DT-59 - with a total capacity of 74000 hp

Armament:
- UKSK (universal ship firing systems), ammunition for anti-ship missiles, anti-submarine missile torpedoes, cruise missiles for firing at ground targets and medium and long-range anti-aircraft missiles - 80-130 units;
- one or two gun mounts AK-130 or A-192.

Estimated price of about 2-2,5 billion dollars (estimated at the beginning of 2011). "

[CARBON]

Apparently, the Chinese understand that in the 20 years they have a real prospect of conflict with the United States and, or, with their allies in the Pacific. That's why they are building the Navy: aircraft carriers, UDC, frigates, "super destroyers". The reason is clear, if on earth try to kill all the Chinese, then at sea they still have neither numerical nor qualitative superiority.

[Yankuz]

Quote: CARBON

Apparently, the Chinese understand that in the 20 years they have a real prospect of conflict with the United States and, or, with their allies in the Pacific.

Yes America surrendered to them! They will supplant them anyway sooner or later, only a cloud of such ships is being blotted out. What should they take in America? There is nothing there anymore - the capitalists have eaten everything! If only the amers under their feet would not get confused then, but perhaps as a source of promising technologies. They need raw Russia - and almost all of them - up to the Urals, including at least! In Russia, there is everything so that China with such a large population and with such ambitions can survive for a long time. They would rather need an army and navy so that later someone like amers would not stick to the side of the Siberian wealth they had conquered. In general, no one will ever know what the Chinese really have in mind! They all smile endlessly - but it’s anatomical! - this must be remembered! And the opposite is hidden behind a smile! I would not know - I did not write. And I personally came across them at the dawn of their expansion in the early 90s in Primorye, when they bought all electric goods in our stores and took them to their place - everything that is plugged into the outlet, everything was taken out! And they brought us their cheap low-grade leather jackets. Then they talked! And I assure you - it would be better if we did not know them!

[patsantre]

And who believes that China has a laser and an analogue of the SM-3? Yes, and the figure clearly has nothing to do with the type-55.

[Odysseus]

Quote: patsantre

And who believes that China has a laser and an analogue of SM-3?

The laser is certainly nonsense, but the analogue of SM-3 may appear by 2020.

Quote: patsantre

And the figure clearly has nothing to do with type-55.

Figure fake, but the news is real. China is steadily increasing the capabilities and displacement of its destroyers

[Eugeniy_369]

Quote: Guun

On Moscow are the P-1000 Volcano of the "killer aircraft carriers" the largest and most powerful cruise missiles. To compare them with a small caliber is like a finger with one place to compare.

In terms of size, yes, it’s not even a missile but an aircraft projectile))) only what will they give target designation for killing an aircraft carrier? anything about the "legend"?
For the sinking of an aircraft carrier ... "This theory was solved with the greatest difficulty (theoretically !!!) during the years of greatness and massiveness of the USSR Air Force!
At this stage for us ... it's UTOPIA !!!! "- vaf.
And why beat them? They almost all in Norfolk rust. Mani, mani began to see a little
And the swing of the Chinese comrades is not bad , just hunting gritting teeth with chagrin, why do we only deal with trifles and talkers? Already the destroyers could have been laid down, they would have lived without the World Cup, “Preparation for the World Cup 2018 was estimated by the government at 664,1 billion rubles” - I think for 6 pieces of project 21956, even at a price of 3 lard greens and our total theft was enough would.
Damn, 6 brand new destroyers or Lenka Messiah (Lionel Messi)? The first thing is more pleasant to me, I would consider Pele for such a squadron and Arshavin .

[Bigriver]

Quote: alex86

Quote: RomanN

our blathering simply will not pay attention, just as now

I agree, he wrote several times here that they will enter us in columns, even unarmed, and we won’t do anything, and we won’t do anything - we’ll be afraid. And here there are enough people convinced that we ...

Your faith is not backed up by anything. Neither knowledge of the conditions of the Far East and Baikal theater, nor the features of the North-Chinese infrastructure. Therefore, about the Columns of the Chinese, you blurted out outright nonsense.
The main indicator of the near-medium-term intentions of the state is its development strategy. The state, people, nation is a very heavy and inert substance. In the 21st century, they cannot be deployed in an instant from one path to another.
Preparation for aggression of this level should take one and a half to two decades. And she cannot pass unnoticed.
These are not the marginals from all over the BV to collect, with the aim of dropping them with light weapons through the cordon into Syria.