The United States tested a prototype of a new anti-ship missile

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A successful flight test of a long-range anti-ship missile LRASM (Long Range Anti-Ship Missile) prototype missile has been conducted in the United States, ARMS-TASS reports with reference to the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency’s DARPA.

The need to create a new anti-ship missile system is due to the fact that the missiles in the US Navy’s arsenal do not have sufficient flight range and are vulnerable to the breakthrough of the modern layered shipboard defense system.

The new LRASM anti-ship missile system is being developed by the DARPA and the United States Navy's research and development department based on an extended-range air-to-air missile launched at JASSM-ER (joint air-to-surface stand-off missile, extended range). PKP LARSM is equipped with armor-piercing or high-explosive warheads, is an autonomous all-weather weaponswhich can be applied at any time of the day.

Despite the fact that the LRASM ASM is created on the basis of the JASSM-ER rocket airframe, additional sensors and on-board systems are installed on it, which ensure its secrecy and durability for subsonic anti-ship weapons. In particular, the rocket has a multimode homing head (GOS), a data transmission line, and an improved digital noise-protected satellite navigation system for detecting and destroying high-priority targets in the ship's order.

One of the significant improvements of the new weapon is the ability to receive or update target designation data in flight. Unlike the JASSM rocket, used in the autonomous mode, using the “shot-and-forget” principle, new technologies ensure the launch of an anti-ship rocket and the correction of its flight.

DARPA conducted a demonstration flight test of a new missile to test its flight performance and on-board equipment in free flight. In addition, the rocket, equipped with an inert warhead, also found and hit the uninhabited floating mobile target MST (Mobile Ship Target) with a length of 80 meters.

The test was conducted by the 337-th flight test squadron of the US Air Force, based on the Air Force Base Dyes (Texas) with the use of a B-1 bomber as the carrier of the missile. The missile was launched from an aircraft over the water area of ​​the Point Mugu (California) sea test site. Initially, the rocket flew along a pre-programmed trajectory, and for about half the flight distance to the target, it switched to autonomous guidance, during which it independently discovered a moving surface target and struck it.

During the flight, the subsonic rocket was accompanied by an F / A-18 fighter from the 31 th flight test squadron in China Lake (California).

The main contractor for the LRASM weapon complex is Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control (LMMFC). The BAE Systems Information and Electronic Systems Integration Division (BAE Systems' Information and Electronic Systems Integration division) is the lead contractor for the onboard sensors of the new rocket.
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  1. Guun
    +5
    11 September 2013 11: 30
    What about the railgun? Laser cannon? Looks have already taken up the mind once the rockets began to test.
    1. Nukem999
      +1
      11 September 2013 14: 14
      ....................
      1. -2
        11 September 2013 20: 26
        What you can’t refuse to the Americans is that they can make cartoons!
        A couple of years ago I saw how they struck a rocket at the start with a laser, and then they closed this program and supposedly it was only theoretically. And at first all the cranes shouted at all the rockets!
        1. +1
          11 September 2013 20: 54
          and also a secret filter is built into the rocket
          so that the gay does not kill when hit
          battle head wassat
  2. +8
    11 September 2013 11: 32
    The next move is ours. And so to infinity, what is not the engine of progress?
    1. lucidlook
      +1
      11 September 2013 13: 09
      Perhaps the fact that it distracts forces, minds and means from the development of unmanned and manned spacecraft for the study of the solar system, for example. I strongly doubt something that the developments in the field of detecting moving ships in the ocean and the ability to destroy them correctly will be useful to us in this. Although ... who knows. :-(
  3. -3
    11 September 2013 11: 32
    They understand that their fleet is aging and in the near future this trend will only increase .. that is, they create means to equalize the situation at sea in which case ..
    1. +14
      11 September 2013 11: 54
      Quote: denson06
      They understand that their fleet is aging and in the near future this trend will only increase .. here it is looking for means to equalize the situation at sea in which case ..

      Firstly, this news is about aviation.

      Second, who is in the lead of the US Navy? with whom the Yankees are desperately "trying to equalize the state of affairs at sea"? Is it really ... Russia !? with his unfinished frigate "Gorshkov"

      No, of course I am of the US Navy with sound irony, and we have something to answer (PL), but still, let's not write nonsense about the lagging amers.

      USS Spruance (DDG-111) - 61st O. Burke-class destroyer (now there are 62 of them)
      1. +5
        11 September 2013 12: 44
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        with his unfinished frigate "Gorshkov" (for the eighth year they have been building a miracle ship and the end of the construction is not in sight)


        Yes, sad of course ... But it seems that the matter is going to a logical conclusion!

        30.07.2013/22350/186 On board the lead frigate "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov" project XNUMX, which is being built at the JSC Shipbuilding plant "Severnaya Verf", a full-time crew of XNUMX people has completely moved in. This was reported to the Central Naval Portal by a source at the enterprise.
        By the time the crew of the ship moved into the ship, the shipyards of the Northern Shipyard had prepared cabins, cockpits, a dining room, a wardroom, a galley, medical unit rooms, bathrooms, showers, water supply, ventilation and air conditioning systems, all the necessary electrical equipment and communications were working properly.
        In late June, refrigerated vehicles were put into operation on the ship. The first consignments of frozen food products were loaded into provisional storage rooms: fish, meat. Now the entire frigate crew is provided with provisions.

        31.07.2013/22350/XNUMX Severnaya Verf Shipyard began mooring trials of the head frigate of Project XNUMX Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov

        The beginning of the first stage of factory trials of the frigate is scheduled for mid-autumn 2013

        God grant that with other ships in the series it was better! Difficult, but necessary, the situation in the Mediterranean is now clear.
      2. +5
        11 September 2013 13: 16
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

        Firstly, this news is about aviation.

        Oleg, let me fix it, the promising LRASM anti-ship missile system is being developed for use both from the air and from ships with the Mk / 41 air-craft and beyond.
        1. -1
          11 September 2013 13: 42
          Quote: Nayhas
          The promising LRASM anti-ship missile system is being developed for use both from air and from ships with the Mk / 41 air-craft and beyond.

          Hmm ... is there a degraded Tomahawk (BGM-109B)
          1. +4
            11 September 2013 14: 15
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

            Hmm ... is there a degraded Tomahawk (BGM-109B)

            And the worse? So what can not be used with TA? In terms of size, LRASM is smaller, in mass, too. It is clear that the filling could have been issued in Tomahawk, but the LRASM uses a serial case from JASSM-ER with stealth technology, which is not on Tomahawk. By the way, according to history, the choice was between SLAM-ER and LRASM, the tomahawk was not even considered.
            1. +1
              11 September 2013 14: 28
              Quote: Nayhas
              And the worse?

              Flight range is less than 1,5 times (in principle, a small loss for subsonic anti-ship missiles - the Ax hardly had a chance to find a target at the maximum declared range)

              No SUB Version

              Standardization / unification / cheaper - unlike LRASM, the Toporov family had dozens of modifications for various carriers and applications. Seven troubles - one answer, the whole difference in the type of warhead and GOS

              Finally, BGM-109B, like all Axes, appeared 30 years earlier - it is strange that the Yankees are still stuck at the same level
              It’s clear that computers and stealth, but you have to do something with LTX rockets! Supersonic, etc.

              By the way, how is LRASM with a path there? - Ax the whole route flew to PMV
              1. 0
                11 September 2013 14: 57
                Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                No SUB Version

                well, yes...
                Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                unlike LRASM, the Ax family had dozens of modifications for various media and applications.

                as far as I understand this is the whole AGM-158 JASSM family, so there is unification of the basic mechanisms (engine, body, aerodynamic surfaces, control system, at least ANN, type of fuel).
                Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                Finally, BGM-109B, like all Axes, appeared 30 years earlier - it is strange that the Yankees are still stuck at the same level

                there were no special needs, the USSR fleet almost died, and now a new rival with naval ambitions, China, is growing.
                Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                It’s clear that computers and stealth, but you have to do something with LTX rockets! Supersonic, etc.

                In the dimensions of the UVK Mk.41, creating a supersonic anti-ship missile is difficult to see, the fate of LRASM-B is proof of this.
                Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                By the way, how is LRASM with a path there? - Ax the whole route flew to PMV

                Well, the Tomahawk could not fly the entire route to PMV, in the sense of the RCC variant. RLGSN thing is heavy and massive, so as far as I remember with the anti-ship missile system Tomahawk flight took place at medium altitudes, at a certain range a snake was flying to capture the target of the RLGSN, after the capture Tomahawk already went to the PMV and made a slide and dive to the target before the target. At LRASM, the flight will most likely take place along different paths depending on the guidance.
      3. +3
        11 September 2013 14: 57
        Before embedding the American pictures and spreading our fleet, you would have looked at the essence of the idea .. looked a bit into the future, Dear SWEET_SIXTEEN .. but what is not given is not given, it seems ..
        I didn’t write, as SWEET_SIXTEEN put it, about lagging amers ... I just said that their fleet is aging .. and given the US military budget cuts, it will age and the funds to maintain it in such quantity (although I not talking about quality) - no and never will ..
        Why this replica was taken is generally unclear ..:
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        with whom the Yankees are desperately "trying to equalize the state of affairs at sea"? Is it really ... Russia !?

        Since no one foresees this in the near future .. our Pacific Fleet only enters the region only in 10-ku - this is clear to everyone ..
        But as for China, the fact is that, according to many experts, they are already capable of launching an average ship into the water a day now .. the level of their industry and economy is not only worried about amers now .. and this fleet is new and what the most interesting thing is not much inferior in quality and equipment ..
        Another replica:
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        Firstly, this news is about aviation.

        I absolutely agree that aviation missiles .. but they are thinking about dominance at sea, dear SWEET_SIXTEEN. They understand that where the fleet cannot work out - anti-ship missiles will work out .. the topic is marine - the ultimate goals are there .. And just in case, and the amers will not develop and test anything just like that, they just to support the fleet and create anti-ship missiles (since their ships, in particular aircraft carriers and many others, have been 30-40 years ago).
        With respect.. hi
      4. +1
        12 September 2013 00: 13
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        Quote: denson06
        They understand that their fleet is aging and in the near future this trend will only increase .. here it is looking for means to equalize the situation at sea in which case ..

        Firstly, this news is about aviation.

        Second, who is in the lead of the US Navy? with whom the Yankees are desperately "trying to equalize the state of affairs at sea"? Is it really ... Russia !? with his unfinished frigate "Gorshkov"

        No, of course I am of the US Navy with sound irony, and we have something to answer (PL), but still, let's not write nonsense about the lagging amers.

        USS Spruance (DDG-111) - 61st O. Burke-class destroyer (now there are 62 of them)

        firstly do not write nonsense. that harpoon that LRASM universal PCR, launched both from the surface and from air carriers
        Vika:
        "The missile is expected to enter service in 2015 and will be fired from the Mk.41 UVP, as well as from F-35C fighters."
        secondly, for Russia, a fleet comparable in strength to a US fleet is not needed in principle. but China has recently commissioned more ships than Russia and the United States combined.
        so do not post nonsense here, because there is a saying that "worse than a traitor"
    2. +10
      11 September 2013 13: 06
      Quote: denson06
      Understand that their fleet is aging and in the near future this trend will only increase ..

      Yeah, very old. For 9 years - 9 "Virginias", 25 "Arleigh Berkov", 2 "Nimitz", 5 "San Antonio", about 400 "Super Hornets" and more "on little things" .... We would be so "old". We have "Moscow" in 1981 and "Sharp-witted 1969, which should now be in the Mediterranean ...
      1. -2
        12 September 2013 00: 35
        Quote: Bronis
        Quote: denson06
        Understand that their fleet is aging and in the near future this trend will only increase ..

        Yeah, very old. For 9 years - 9 "Virginias", 25 "Arleigh Berkov", 2 "Nimitz", 5 "San Antonio", about 400 "Super Hornets" and more "on little things" .... We would be so "old". We have "Moscow" in 1981 and "Sharp-witted 1969, which should now be in the Mediterranean ...

        you would at least read the news.
        sadly to say, but Russia in the Pacific is a zero without a stick. The main players in the United States are China, Japan, and somewhere in the distant Russia.
        ask how many ships China lowered in 9 years.
    3. Nukem999
      0
      11 September 2013 14: 08
      ...................
    4. +1
      11 September 2013 18: 17
      Quote: denson06
      to equalize the situation at sea in which case ..


      equalize with whom? if possible for more details
  4. +1
    11 September 2013 11: 34
    I would like to know what we now have of the similar and what kind of missile defense we can answer.
    1. Guun
      0
      11 September 2013 11: 43
      Rocket system Club if not mistaken. But I don’t know if they are in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, but on the news they showed that we were selling them to India and China in large quantities.
      1. Kipish
        +1
        11 September 2013 12: 12
        Club is an export version, ideally "Caliber"
      2. 0
        11 September 2013 16: 58
        Yes, "Caliber" is called.
    2. Kipish
      +3
      11 September 2013 12: 10
      As far as I remember, we have completely no sound, either completely on super sound or with acceleration in the final section.
      In my opinion, they have nothing to answer to our PCR.
      1. +3
        11 September 2013 14: 08
        Quote: Kipish
        In my opinion, they have nothing to answer to our PCR.

        Supersonic speed is far from +. Rather, it is +, for which you need to pay with dimensions, and large dimensions are a limitation on the placement and quantity on the medium.
        PS: subsonic anti-ship missiles - X-35 Uranus and 3M54 Caliber (in the version without supersonic second stage).
        1. Kipish
          0
          11 September 2013 14: 32
          As far as I know, the performance characteristics of the 3M54 rocket are in the public domain, in the open only 3M54E, i.e. for Clab.
          Regarding supersonic sound, take the same 3M-54E in the final section, it flies at an altitude of 10m. with a speed of 2.9M at this height, it can be detected in about 15-20km. i.e., the air defense of a carobel has about 20 seconds to react, which is practically not realistic, but against the sound one there is more than a minute. At farther distances stealth technologies are not particularly strongly affected, since the rocket will still be behind the garrison.
          1. -1
            11 September 2013 18: 06
            Quote: Kipish
            Regarding supersonic sound, take the same 3M-54E in the final section, it flies at an altitude of 10m. at a speed of 2.9M

            3M54 has two versions, the usual subsonic length is 6,2 m and with a supersonic second stage, length is 8,2 m.
            Quote: Kipish
            the caroble’s air defense has about 20 seconds to react, which is practically not realistic, but against the sound one there is more than a minute.

            The United States developed SM-6 SAMs just to defeat anti-ship missiles at the horizon beyond the horizon, beyond the radio horizon. So the use of ultra-low altitudes and supersonic is no longer a guarantee of defeat.
  5. 0
    11 September 2013 11: 40
    At one time in the USSR, the PKRs were at a high level. How good are the current "Volcanoes" and "Mosquitoes", share your opinion.
    1. +4
      11 September 2013 13: 59
      They have many good parameters, but there is one that crosses out everything. Dimensions and weight. For example, anti-ship missiles Granite could be carried only by atomic cruisers pr.1144, TAKR Kuznetsov and nuclear submarines pr.949 designed specifically for these missiles. Set the RCC Granite as an example on the TFR pr.1135 or replace the submarine pr 670M RCC Malachite could not be considered. As a result, in the USSR there was a huge range of anti-ship missiles and their carriers are absolutely not interchangeable. Hence the difficulties with operation, a change of basing.
  6. +4
    11 September 2013 11: 45
    This is not bad news.
    LRASM, like its progenitor - the airborne CR AGM-158 JASSM - subsonic ammunition with conventional performance characteristics (flight range ~ 350 ... 1000 km depending on the mod., Warhead ~ 1000 lb. (454 kg) + stealth technology and pr. hi-tech, as well as the "advanced" guidance system:

    the missile has a multi-mode homing head (GOS), a data line, an advanced digital noise-immune satellite navigation system for detecting and destroying the most priority targets in a ship’s warrant.
    all this, of course, is interesting


    Start AGM-158 JASSM with F-16

    But the real PPC will come if the Yankees bring to mind Rattls - "a system of naval combat with a critically short reaction time" - in other words, a hypersonic anti-ship missile system with a firing range of 500 km, ship-based
    1. +3
      11 September 2013 11: 51
      YES ALREADY ... ACCESS WITH SM-3, (or rim-161), it will not eat well ...
      1. 0
        11 September 2013 14: 39
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        YES ALREADY ... ACCESS WITH SM-3, (or rim-161), it will not eat well ...

        Well, as an additive. At the end of August of this year, Rayton tested the new SM-6 missile launcher, two SM-6s were launched from a Ticonderoga-type cruiser, which destroyed two BQM-74 aerial targets simulating low-flying anti-ship missiles at an out-of-range range. On the SM-6 missiles installed ARLGSN from the rocket-in AIM-120 AMRAAM.
        Unfortunately, this news was not seen on this site, although the ability to shoot down horizontal targets deprives the RCC of the advantage of imperceptibly sneaking up on the target at low altitudes outside the radio horizon.
        1. +1
          11 September 2013 16: 29
          Quote: Nayhas
          although the ability to shoot down horizontal targets deprives the RCC of the advantage of imperceptibly sneaking up on the target at low altitudes outside the radio horizon.

          Is it really

          I wonder how the cruiser learns that someone is sneaking over the horizon?

          BQM-74 aerial targets simulating low-flying RCC
          Ha! Northrop BQM-74 aerial drones, re-subsonic target
          Yankees do not undertake to shoot down supersonic sound on PMV (and they are not able to)
          1. +3
            11 September 2013 18: 35
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            I wonder how the cruiser learns that someone is sneaking over the horizon?

            Well hello ... MH-60R is on board, if in the AUG, then from E-2D, it can also from P-8A.
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            Ha! Northrop BQM-74 aerial drones, re-subsonic target
            Yankees do not undertake to shoot down supersonic sound on PMV (and they are not able to)

            Well hello again ... To train to intercept low-flying supersonic targets use the GQM-163 Coyote, which is at a height of 5m. flies on 2M. By the way, Coyote was developed based on the MA-31, that is, converted to the X-31 target. So I think in the case of the SM-6 and it will reach him.
            1. 0
              11 September 2013 19: 08
              Quote: Nayhas
              MH-60R is on board

              AN / APS-153 as an air defense radar? belay

              http://www.telephonics.com/pdf/AN-APS-153V.pdf
              Quote: Nayhas
              then from E-2D, also maybe from P-8A.

              nothing like this

              I would still believe if they said about the F-35 and its luxurious AN / APG-81. But this is all a matter of the distant future ...
              Quote: Nayhas
              To train to intercept low-flying supersonic targets, use the GQM-163 Coyote, which is at a height of 5m. flies on 2M

              The only one who shot down a low-flying Coyote was the French frigate "Forbin"

              The European PAAMS complex with Aster missiles (active seeker) was adopted in 2003. Yankees with their SM-6 late for 10 years
              And you are wondering why the SM-6 test passed unnoticed by Topwar.
              Yes, because there is nothing surprising here, the Yankees are 10 years late - despite the fact that the SM-6 will reach operational readiness no earlier than 2015
              1. +2
                12 September 2013 00: 07
                Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                AN / APS-153 as an air defense radar?

                No, of course, but it is possible to transmit information about the surface situation to the ship via Link-16, the AN / APS-153 is able to see flying anti-ship missiles. ARLGSN SM-6 seems to be capable of independently capturing the target, otherwise the tests failed.
                Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                then from E-2D, also maybe from P-8A.

                nothing like this

                17.07.2013/16/15 an experiment took place, the JLENS system detected and escorted a cruise missile, transmitting data on its trajectory via a Link-XNUMX standard data line to the US Air Force F-XNUMXE, allowing it to perform targeted functions and launch the AMRAAM missile, which ended in destroying the target (simulator low flying RCC).
                I don’t presume to say who did the guidance in the case of SM-6, unfortunately there is no data, but AMRAAM is installed on it ARLGSN, therefore the target data was also transmitted uniquely via Link-16, while the source could be Hokai, Poseidon, the same JLENS ...
                Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

                The only one who shot down a low-flying Coyote was the French frigate "Forbin"

                are you sure he was the only one who could? As far as I understand this is just a publicized case involving Coyote. According to the article in the topvar dated 27.04.2012/25/50. 31 launches were made in the interests of the US Navy, do you think all interception attempts are unsuccessful? Also spent XNUMX MA-XNUMX, also in "milk"?
                If you have evidence that the US Navy still cannot intercept the coyote training supersonic target, then please share.
                Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                Yes, because there is nothing surprising here, the Yankees are 10 years late - despite the fact that the SM-6 will reach operational readiness no earlier than 2015

                Better late than never. By the way, as they write, in May it was decided to launch it into serial production at the new plant, and in a year they plan to provide "the initial operational potential"
                1. 0
                  12 September 2013 18: 28
                  Quote: Nayhas
                  flying RCC AN / APS-153 able to see.

                  if only by chance
                  SiHawk’s problems aren’t enough, and you still impose air defense tasks on him
                  Quote: Nayhas
                  ARLGSN SM-6 is apparently capable of independently capturing the target, otherwise its tests failed

                  of course it can. But at short range
                  SM-6 the entire route flies under the control of a remotely programmed autopilot and radio commands from the ship, which tracks the target of its radar (SPY-1) and issues the correction of SAM

                  ARLGSN turns on only in the last seconds of flight
                  Quote: Nayhas
                  I don’t presume to say who did the guidance in the case of SM-6, unfortunately there is no data, but AMRAAM is installed on it ARLGSN, therefore the target data was also transmitted uniquely via Link-16, while the source could be Hokai, Poseidon, the same JLENS ...

                  Yes, especially JLENS)))
                  Multi-ton radar on aerostats at an altitude of 5 km
                  Quote: Nayhas
                  If you have evidence that the US Navy still cannot intercept the coyote training supersonic target, then please share.

                  The whole question is FLIGHT

                  The Yankees never knew how to intercept supersonic targets at the PMV (5-10 meters above sea level)
                  Quote: Nayhas
                  By the way, as they write, in May it was decided to launch it into serial production at the new plant, and in a year they plan to provide "the initial operational potential"

                  The first full-rate production Standard Missile-6 is on track for an April 2015 delivery, which is three months ahead of contract. "

                  Caucasians have had such things in service since 2003 - Daring, Horizon, FREMM, Formidable ...
    2. Kipish
      -1
      11 September 2013 12: 16
      Very big doubts that they will soon appear hypersonic PCR.
      1. They will most likely not make hypersonic sounds on an immovable target.
      2. They seem to even get super-sound PCRs.
      1. +3
        11 September 2013 12: 58
        Quote: Kipish
        1. They will most likely not make hypersonic sounds on an immovable target.

        Moving-motionless - what difficulties can there be?

        Back in the late 1970s, a radar (!) Guidance system for Pershing-2 missiles was created. And what speeds there are - it's easy to imagine - up to Mach 9! Accuracy (KVO) - 30 meters

        Tomahawk Block IV (transonic flight speed) learned to reprogram in flight, got a mode of barrage (waiting) and the ability to hit moving targets (including sea)

        So the work in this direction is the most serious
        Quote: Kipish
        They seem to even get super-sounding PCRs.

        Everything is explainable here

        Subsonic RCC differs from supersonic like Matiz from Chevrolet Tahoe
        starting mass Amersky Harpoon - approx. 700 kg
        the starting mass of our Onyx is 3 tons, Mosquito - even larger - 4 tons
        the reason is the huge energy required to accelerate a rocket to speeds above 1M

        Any supersonic anti-ship missile system has a lot of limitations on carriers - not every aircraft will be able to lift such a "fool". Who, except the destroyer pr. 956 will be able to carry the Mosquito ?!

        This is not a universal "Harpoon", the carriers of which are (were):

        ship-based, harpoon placed in
        - quad containers PU Mk.141 (destroyers, cruisers Spruens, Ticonderoga, countless classes of ships of the Japanese fleet, etc.)
        - cells of the 8-charge box-type PU anti-submarine complex ASROK (frigates "Nox")
        - under-deck store "one-armed bandit" Mk.13 (frigates "Perry")
        - launched from the beam launcher Mk.11 (destroyers "Adams")




        underwater base:
        SUB-Harpoon - Los Angeles, Virginia, British, Japanese, etc. Starn boats of NATO and US allies


        ground based:
        PU Mk.141 on a truck chassis - EMNIP is used in the Netherlands

        air based:
        F / A-18, F-15E, F-16, B-52, PLO aircraft S-3, attack aircraft A-6, base Poseidons and Orions, Nimrods, etc., etc. ...


        What are the clusters under the wing of Stratofortress?
        1. lucidlook
          +2
          11 September 2013 13: 05
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          Back in the late 1970s, a radar (!) Guidance system for Pershing-2 missiles was created. And what speeds there are - it's easy to imagine - up to Mach 9! Accuracy (KVO) - 30 meters

          Does Pershing 2 already have maneuvering BBs? Or did they somehow solve the problem of plasma E / M shielding? On 9 moves and in dense layers - this is one continuous plasma from all sides!
          1. -1
            11 September 2013 13: 25
            Quote: lucidlook
            Does Pershing 2 already have maneuvering BBs?

            Yes
            Quote: lucidlook
            Or did they somehow solve the problem of plasma E / M shielding?

            What for?
            Quote: lucidlook
            On 9 moves and in dense layers - this is one continuous plasma from all sides!

            So what?

            Pershing-2
            The RADAG system consisted of an airborne radar station and a correlator. The radar was screened and had two antenna units. One of them was intended to obtain a radar brightness image of the area. The other is for determining flight altitude.
            Guidance: Correlation-extreme, on digital maps.
            1. lucidlook
              +2
              11 September 2013 13: 40
              Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
              What for?

              Well, how, why ... then, that the plasma enveloping the hypersonic aircraft in dense layers does not pass electromagnetic waves either inward or outward. How do you propose to communicate with such an aircraft and adjust its trajectory?

              Unless, of course, this is a ballistic missile that has already flown into the stratosphere or higher, there, yes, there is nothing to form plasma at at such speeds, there you can illuminate with a radar and specify the TS. But in the article, after all, initially it was about a cruise (i.e. NOT a ballistic) missile. And your examples are also all winged. So?
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                1. lucidlook
                  +2
                  11 September 2013 14: 27
                  Maybe I'm wrong, but it seemed to me that even the Black Bird was heated to a temperature close to the melting of titanium. But he obviously did not fly at sea level, and the speed was certainly not 11km / s.

                  Meteorites, as well as descent vehicles (which, I note, are pre-braked), first enter the discharged upper layers of the atmosphere and there they are braked first, and only then they are warmed up in dense layers. So there are lower speeds.

                  It’s hardly possible to use plasma as a super-antenna, since it is extremely capricious and unstable. In theory, this is all very wonderful, but I'm afraid it is not applicable in practice.

                  Again, the DF-21, like Pershing, are ballistic missiles.

                  Ps read once again about pershing warheads, did not see where it says that they maneuver in the atmosphere. Behind the atmosphere - yes. Maybe share a reference as an educational program?
                  1. 0
                    11 September 2013 14: 55
                    Quote: lucidlook
                    Maybe share a reference as an educational program?

                    The Pershing-2 control system was supplemented by a warhead guidance system at the end of the trajectory on a radar terrain map (RADAG system). Such a system has never been used on ballistic missiles before. The complex of command devices was located on a stabilized platform, placed in a cylindrical body, and had its own electronic control unit. The operation of the control system was provided by an on-board digital computer complex located in 12 removable modules and protected by an aluminum case.

                    The RADAG system consisted of an airborne radar station and a correlator. The radar was screened and had two antenna units. One of them was intended to obtain a radar brightness image of the terrain, the other to determine the altitude. The image of the ring type under the head part was obtained by scanning around a vertical axis, with an angular speed of 2 rpm. Four reference images of the target area for different heights were stored in the memory of the digital computer in the form of a matrix, each cell of which was the radar brightness of the corresponding area, recorded in two-digit binary number. To a similar matrix, the actual image of the terrain received from the radar was reduced, when compared with the reference one, it was possible to determine the error of the inertial system.

                    The flight of the warhead was corrected by the executive bodies - jet nozzles operating from a cylinder with compressed gas outside the atmosphere, and aerodynamic rudders with hydraulic drive at the entrance to the atmosphere.
                    Quote: lucidlook
                    Black Bird was heated to a temperature close to the melting of titanium.

                    No it's too
                    Approximately 200 degrees Celsius on the surface of the wing and fuselage, 300 at the edges
                    At such T, aluminum loses its strength properties; heat-resistant steel and titanium are used as structural materials
                    Quote: lucidlook
                    Meteorites, as well as descent vehicles (which, I note, are pre-braked)

                    The plasma shell and trace disappear at an altitude of 40 km
                    Quote: lucidlook
                    but I'm afraid it’s not applicable in practice.

                    already have
                    Silicon Plasma Antennas, WiGig Technology
                    1. lucidlook
                      +1
                      11 September 2013 16: 03
                      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                      No it's too
                      Approximately 200 degrees Celsius on the surface of the wing and fuselage, 300 at the edges
                      At such T, aluminum loses its strength properties; heat-resistant steel and titanium are used as structural materials

                      You indicate the temperature after all efforts to reduce it, for example, the constant circulation of fuel in the pipeline network under the casing.

                      I’ll read about war blocks. I can’t say that you convinced me. EMNIP, radar scanning was carried out in the upper layers, where the taxiing took place, and then, after entering the atmosphere, the rudders served only to maintain the course along the inertial system.

                      Regarding meteorites ... in Chelyabinsk you fundamentally disagree :-)
                      1. -1
                        11 September 2013 16: 19
                        Quote: lucidlook
                        for example, continuous circulation of fuel in the pipeline network under the casing.

                        Was this the case with "Thrush" and "Valkyrie"?
                        EMNIP only the cabin cooled there - otherwise 200 ... 300 degrees for a person it’s cront

                        XB-70 Valkyrie

                        Rocket Launcher X-15
                        Max. achieved flight altitude 107 km, speed 6,72M
                        Structure:
                        Power Pack - Titanium
                        External cladding: Inconel X (nickel alloy) - 0,6..1,2 mm
                        Interior cladding - aluminum
                        Max. heating temperature (estimated) - 650 degrees. Celsius
                        Quote: lucidlook
                        I can’t say that you convinced me. EMNIP, radar scanning was carried out in the upper layers

                        What "top layers" are we talking about?
                        The apogee of the Pershing 2 trajectory - 140 km
                        Quote: lucidlook
                        in Chelyabinsk fundamentally disagree with you :-)

                        And what was observed in Chelyabinsk?
                        An explosion at an altitude of 50 km?

                        X-15 under the wing of stratophotress
                      2. lucidlook
                        0
                        11 September 2013 17: 01
                        In rarefied air at an altitude of 24 km on M3.2 SR-71 easily warmed up to 300 degrees, therefore cooling jackets were located in these "cheekbones" located on the sides along the fuselage. This, of course, helped (including cooling the cockpit), but judge for yourself, if the maximum recorded heating of the skin at this altitude at an ambient temperature of -50 was 540 degrees Celsius (with the maximum allowable 427C for the titanium skin of this aircraft), then what can we say about the 9 swings at sea level?

                        I don’t know how you do with English, but I personally take the data from here. Maybe they lie, of course:
                        http://www.u2sr71patches.co.uk/sr71performance.htm

                        Here you can clearly see (in Fahrenheit) what was considered the norm at altitude.

                      3. 0
                        11 September 2013 17: 15
                        Quote: lucidlook
                        In the discharged air at an altitude of 24 km on the M3.2 SR-71 was easily warmed up to 300 degrees

                        Well, only 300 degrees at the edges. 500 - long-term heating.
                        The flyer is 2 times faster than the X-15 - the limit is 650 degrees (but there the whole flight - from the compartment to the landing - took only 15 minutes)

                        What kind of plasma? What is the melting point of titanium?
                        Quote: lucidlook
                        what can we say about 9 swings at sea level?

                        Who told you that at sea level ?? !!
                        Quote: lucidlook
                        You indicate the temperature after all efforts to reduce it, for example, the constant circulation of fuel in the pipeline network under the casing.

                        Nothing like this. This is the temperature on the skin. All other measures are measures to reduce from 300 gr. C to acceptable values ​​for crew and equipment

                        What is the argument about? About the possibility of using radar seeker at hyper speeds? Yes, it is possible without much difficulty.
                      4. lucidlook
                        +1
                        11 September 2013 18: 10
                        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                        Who told you that at sea level ?? !!

                        Well, I naively believed that this was a low-flying anti-ship cruise missile. And under these conditions, plasma is extremely possible.

                        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                        Nothing like this. This is the temperature on the skin. All other measures are measures to reduce from 300 gr. C to acceptable values ​​for crew and equipment


                        Then where could 500+ degrees appear on 3.5 max at such a height?

                        The debate about how to induce hypersonic RCC on the target.
                      5. 0
                        11 September 2013 18: 40
                        Quote: lucidlook
                        Well, I naively believed that this was a low-flying anti-ship cruise missile.

                        We are talking about a Pershing-2 ballistic missile with an apogee of 140 km and a flight speed of up to 9M - it was him (or, more precisely, the GOS of his warheads) that I took as an example of radar operation in hypersound

                        It worked without problems, 4 maps were stored in memory for various heights, the last correction section was below 40 km
                        Quote: lucidlook
                        And under these conditions, plasma is extremely possible.

                        It is extremely possible if you throw a stone from orbit to Earth at a speed of 11 km / s

                        When meteorites are observed by radars, the plasma appears at an altitude of ~ 110 km, below 40 km the plasma loop disappears (what do you think, what will be the speed of the meteor? 9M? At that moment?)
                        for example, for Soyuz spacecraft, which enter the atmosphere at a speed of 7,6 km / s at an altitude of 33 km, the speed decreases to 2 km / s
                        Quote: lucidlook
                        Then where could 500+ degrees appear on 3.5 max at such a height?

                        Continuous aerodynamic heating

                        During the planning of the Transcontinental Record run this Temperature of 450 Degrees C was authorized for a maximum time of 30 minutes but not used as the Prime mission was to set the record and deliver the SR-71 to the museum.

                        The same MiG-25 had a limit of 8 minutes, after the cooling system could not cope and the cover came

                        What about the X-15 rocket? Speed ​​6,72M. Apogee - 107 km. According to the impressions of the pilots, the windshield became cherry-colored (max. Design temperature 650 gr. Celsius)
                        Quote: lucidlook
                        The debate about how to induce hypersonic RCC on the target.

                        Anti-ship missiles ZM80 "Mosquito", almost 3 Machs at sea level, has been flying since 1984

                        Chinese BALLISTIC KR DF-21, from the point of view of the trajectory - an analogue of Pershing-2.

                        Amer RCC RATTLRS (project) - marching speed 4 mach (obviously, the height of 20 kilometers)
                      6. lucidlook
                        0
                        11 September 2013 19: 27
                        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                        last correction section - below 40 km

                        Lower or at 40 km? ;-) You understand that 40km is still the stratosphere. Or how?

                        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                        Anti-ship missiles ZM80 "Mosquito", almost 3 Machs at sea level, has been flying since 1984

                        Well, there is still a difference between 3 swings and 9th ... whatever you say, 3 times.

                        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                        at an altitude of 33 km, the speed decreases to 2 km / s

                        2km / s is just (ahem) 5.8M. Those. hypersound pulls with a stretch.

                        However, all these arguments are not relevant to the topic - LRASM is not planned to be either supersonic, much less hypersonic, if only because it is based on the AGM-158 JASSM.

                        There are no working hypersonic missiles with speeds of M5 or more, either, so what is there.
                      7. +1
                        11 September 2013 19: 52
                        Quote: lucidlook
                        Lower or at 40 km? ;-) You understand that 40km is still the stratosphere. Or how?

                        The radar and the GSN Pershing-2 radar altimeter worked on the entire correction area, in the entire range of heights and speeds. KVO 30 meters
                        Quote: lucidlook
                        Well, there is still a difference between 3 swings and 9th ... whatever you say, 3 times.

                        No one is going to drive at sea level on Mach 9
                        Today it’s just not possible.
                        Quote: lucidlook
                        However, all these arguments are not relevant to the topic - LRASM is not planned to be either supersonic, much less hypersonic, if only because it is based on the AGM-158 JASSM.

                        Someone claimed the opposite?

                        They remembered hypersound when they started talking about RATTLRS
                        Quote: Kipish
                        . They will most likely not make hypersound to a motionless target soon.

                        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                        Back in the late 1970s, a radar (!) Guidance system for Pershing-2 missiles was created. And what speeds there are - it's easy to imagine - up to Mach 9! Accuracy (KVO) - 30 meters

                        Quote: lucidlook
                        Does Pershing 2 already have maneuvering BBs? Or did they somehow solve the problem of plasma E / M shielding? On 9 moves and in dense layers - this is one continuous plasma from all sides!

                        and it started ... wink

                        RATTLRS (of course, this is nothing more than a layout - flying at best)
                  2. 0
                    11 September 2013 22: 43
                    Quote: lucidlook
                    Meteorites, as well as descent vehicles (which, I note, are pre-braked), first enter the discharged upper layers of the atmosphere and there they are braked first, and only then they are warmed up in dense layers. So there are lower speeds.

                    In discharged upper layers, the main heating occurs and the hypersonic speed is maintained at a height of about 100 km, then the speed drops and in dense layers of the atmosphere at a height of about 15 km, the speed becomes approximately equal to the speed of sound, combustion stops, the protective hood stops and the pershing head 2 starts to work, sometimes apply the dispersal of the combat unit. And communication through plasma is still somewhere in the RAS.
                    1. lucidlook
                      +1
                      12 September 2013 00: 31
                      Quote: saturn.mmm
                      at a distance of approximately 15 km, the speed becomes approximately equal to the speed of sound, combustion stops, the protective cap is dropped, and the head of pershing 2 starts to work

                      Thank! That’s how I imagined it. 1-2 even 3 mach for 15 km - this is real, but 9 ...

                      Quote: saturn.mmm
                      And communication through plasma is still somewhere in the RAS.

                      Well, not just there. Also at DARPA wink
              2. +2
                11 September 2013 14: 09
                Quote: lucidlook
                then, that the plasma enveloping the hypersonic aircraft in dense layers does not allow electromagnetic waves to pass either in or out.

                this is largely a mythical problem

                The "plasma cloud" you mentioned appears only at VERY high speeds - 20M and more (a good example: the speed of meteorite entry into the Earth's atmosphere - 11..72 km / s)

                (by the way, even in this case, radio communication is possible - the "plasma" (magnetic-energy shell) has a complex structure and communication with the device can be maintained by various technical methods: a built-in heat-resistant antenna tip or a long "tail", finally, the plasma itself is excellent conductor - you can generate a signal and emit it using plasma as a super-antenna (Hettinger's patent from 1919)

                In Pershing-2 this problem was simply not observed - the speed is max. - 9M (real 7-8M), while in the final correction section (below 40 km) the BB speed should be even lower

                By the way, the Chinese use a similar guidance scheme - ballistic anti-ship missiles of the DF-21 series with a radar guidance system
                1. +1
                  11 September 2013 21: 59
                  Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                  In Pershing-2 this problem was simply not observed - the speed is max. - 9M (real 7-8M), while in the final correction section (below 40 km) the BB speed should be even lower

                  The head part had a significant (more than a ton) weight and consisted of three compartments: guidance systems (lower), warhead and radar device. The head part was covered by a casing, which was discharged before the start of the radar at an altitude of about 15 km. Stabilization of the flight of the warhead was carried out using inertial devices. The Pershing-2 missile was supposed to use two types of warheads - the usual power of up to 50 kt and penetrating into the ground. The second option was distinguished by high elongation and high strength and was made of high strength steel. At a speed of approach of the head part to the target of 600 m / s, the head part deepened into the ground by about 25 m
                  http://www.telenir.net/istorija/atomnyi_taran_xx_veka/p3.php
                  In general, it turns out that there is no control in the plasma, with hypersound there is no.
                  Cx. 18. The principle of operation of the Pershing-2 missile guidance system according to the radar map of the area:
                  1 - cassette with a reference image of the target area;
                  2 - target (airfield); 3 - ground equipment for converting target area reconnaissance data into a digital formula; 4 - correction signal supplied to the aerodynamic wheels; 5 - computer with a correlator; 6 - the head of the rocket; 7 - target area; 8 - digital processor.
                  1. 0
                    12 September 2013 18: 43
                    Michael, I'm afraid that your Soviet training manual was mistaken

                    As far as I managed to find out, Pershing HAD NO resettable fairing

                    There was a plastic radiolucent fairing, which served as a heat shield - the radar antenna rotated inside.

                    Most likely, the one who compiled the training manual incorrectly got acquainted with the source - the Pershig-2 really had a removable protective tip, but it was used for transportation on the ground, and was removed before launch

                    The nose of Pershing-2
                    1. +1
                      12 September 2013 21: 58
                      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                      As far as I managed to find out, Pershing HAD NO resettable fairing

                      The warhead (warhead) of the rocket, having a length of 4,2 m and a mass of 1362 kg, consists of three compartments: the nose, middle and tail. The radar of the guidance system in the final section of the flight (RADAG system), closed by a radome, is installed in the bow compartment. The fairing is made of radiolucent ablative material that can withstand heat loads when the MS comes into the atmosphere. It was originally planned to cover the PP fairing with a special casing, which would provide additional heat absorption. However, later, in order to reduce the thermal regime of HF, it was decided to quench the speed of HF due to aerodynamic drag when it enters the upper atmosphere.
                      http://www.dogswar.ru/artilleriia/raketnoe-oryjie/677-ballisticheskaia-raketa-pe
                      rshi.html
                      This is probably closer to the truth.
        2. +1
          11 September 2013 14: 28
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          So the work in this direction is the most serious

          So what are we talking about, let's decide on supersonic or subsonic missiles, cruise or ballistic?
          1. -1
            11 September 2013 14: 41
            Quote: saturn.mmm
            So what are we talking about, let's decide on supersonic or subsonic missiles, cruise or ballistic?

            At the moment we are talking about GOS, providing target designation and guidance at hypersonic flight speeds

            No problems were noted here:
            existed as supersonic anti-ship missiles (Granite, Volcano, Mosquito), capable of aiming at a target at a flight speed of 2,5M ... 3M

            and ballistic missiles (Thor, Pershing-2, Dongfeng-21), whose warheads were guided at point targets using a hypersonic radar seeker - almost 9M (despite the mythical "plasma cloud")

            As for the defeat of moving targets - cruise and ballistic missiles have long learned this focus:
            Soviet supersonic anti-ship missiles, Tomahawk Block 4 (albeit subsonic, but highly accurate), Chinese ballistic (hypersound) anti-ship missiles DF-21 (believe it or not, but it seems to me that the Chinese are close to creating such a system - there are no fundamental problems and limitations in this is not)
    3. +1
      11 September 2013 12: 38
      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
      But the real POC will come if the Yankees bring to mind the RATTLRS - "naval combat system with a critically short reaction time"

      Come on. God will not betray, the pig will not eat.
      It is worth noting that our achievements in the field of supersonic and hypersonic weapons are quite real (described in more detail in the article “Weapons on new physical principles: myths and reality. Part 3: Russian hyperspeed”). This is due to successful developments in the field of ramjet engines. They also stood on such domestic missiles as the anti-aircraft 3M8 of the Krug complex, the anti-ship X-31, 3M-80 Moskit and 3M55 Onyx.
      More details: http://globalconflict.ru/analytics/12374-giperzvukovaya-krylataya-raketa-bramos-
      2-stala-sensaciej-aviavystavki-aero-india-2013
    4. 0
      12 September 2013 00: 59
      But the real PPTs will come if the Yankees bring to mind the RATTLRS - "a naval combat system with a critically short reaction time" - in other words, a hypersonic anti-ship missile system with a firing range of under 500 km, ship-based

      Why are you trifling? if they bring the laser to mind, this will be an ultimatum to the whole world
  7. Alikovo
    -2
    11 September 2013 12: 06
    again flying bourd.
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    1. +1
      12 September 2013 18: 47
      Quote from rudolf
      Secondly, a fairly simple onboard radar is not looking for a target. It is important! It only roughly scans a plot of terrain, which is then compared with the reference matrix.

      So 30 years have passed!
      Quote from rudolf
      to make possible the operation of the airborne radar and not to load the rocket with a resettable casing, limiting itself to a radiolucent ablation fairing

      You exactly described Pershing 2
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  9. Vtel
    +2
    11 September 2013 21: 35
    Our answer to the wild west:
    The so-called missile tests of the Kh-35UE missile, launched from launchers placed in a standard Club-K complex cargo container, were successfully passed. Start was carried out on August 22 at one of the specialized training grounds.

    The X-35 anti-ship missile is stealth and flying to the target at a height of no more than fifteen meters, and four meters at the end of the trajectory. The combined homing system and powerful warhead allow one missile to destroy a warship with a displacement of 5000 tons.
    The tests that successfully passed on August 22 showed that Club-K is not a fiction, but a real combat system. As it became known to "RG", now preparing similar tests with missiles 3M-54E and 3M-14E. By the way, the 3M-54E missile is capable of destroying even an aircraft carrier.

    The performance characteristics of 3M-54E 3M-54E1:

    Maximum firing range, km 220 (20 - supersonic section) 300
    Minimum firing range, km 12.5 12.5
    Flight speed, M 0.6-0.8 (up to 3 - in the final section) 0.6-0.8
    Diameter, mm 533 533
    Length, mm 8220 6200
    Wingspan, mm 2200 2200
    Starting weight (with starting engine), kg 1951 1570
    Weight of the starting engine, kg 372 372
    The weight of the warhead, kg 200 450

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