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"Stalin's breakthrough"

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"Stalin's breakthrough"During the Stalinist leadership, during the 30 years, the agrarian, impoverished, dependent on foreign capital, the country became the most powerful military-industrial power on a global scale, the center of a new socialist civilization. The impoverished and illiterate population of Tsarist Russia has become one of the most intelligent and educated nations in the world. The political and economic literacy of the workers and peasants by the beginning of the 50s was not only not inferior, but also surpassed the level of education of the workers and peasants of any developed country at that time. The population of the Soviet Union increased by 41 million people.


Under Stalin, more than 1500 of the largest industrial facilities were built, including DniproHES, Uralmash, KhTZ, GAZ, VMS, plants in Magnitogorsk, Chelyabinsk, Norilsk and Stalingrad. At the same time, over the past 20 years of democracy, not a single enterprise of this magnitude has been built.

Already in 1947, the industrial potential of the USSR was fully restored, and in 1950-m it grew more than 2 times compared to the pre-war 1940 year. None of the countries affected by the war had reached the prewar level by this time, despite the powerful financial contributions from the United States.

The prices of basic foodstuffs in the post-war 5 years in the USSR decreased by more than 2 times, while in the largest capitalist countries they increased, and in some cases even by 2 times and more.

This speaks of the tremendous success of the country, in which, just in 5 years before, the most destructive war in stories of mankind and which suffered most from this war !!

Bourgeois specialists in 1945 gave an official forecast that the USSR economy could reach the level of 1940 only by 1965, provided that they took foreign loans. We reached this level in 1949 without any external help.

In 1947, the USSR was the first after the war from the states of our planet to cancel the card system. And from 1948 annually - to 1954 - reduced the prices of food and consumer goods. Infant mortality in 1950 has decreased compared to 1940 in more than 2 times. The number of doctors increased by 1,5 times. The number of research institutions increased by 40%. University students became more on 50%. Etc.

There was an abundance of various industrial and food products in the stores, and there was no concept of scarcity. The choice of groceries in grocery stores was much wider than in modern supermarkets. Now only in Finland you can try sausage, reminiscent of the Soviet of those times. Banks with crabs were in all Soviet stores. The quality and diversity of consumer goods and food products, exclusively domestic production, was disproportionately higher than modern consumer goods and food. As soon as new trends appeared in fashion, they were instantly tracked, and after a couple of months, fashionable goods appeared in abundance on store shelves.

The workers' wages in 1953 ranged from 800 to 3000 rubles and above. Miners and metallurgists received up to 8000 rubles. Young engineer engineers - up to 1300 rubles. The secretary of the CPSU district committee received 1500 rubles, and the salaries of professors and academicians were often higher than 10000 rubles.

The Moskvich car cost 9000 p., White bread (1 kg.) - 3 p., Black bread (1 kg.) - 1 p., Beef (1 kg.) - 12,5 p., Pike perch fish - 8,3 p. , milk (1 l.) - 2,2 p., potatoes (1 kg.) - 0,45 p., Zhigulevskoye beer (0,6 l.) - 2,9 p., chintz (1 m.) - 6,1 p. Complex lunch in the dining room - 2 p. An evening in a restaurant for two, with a good dinner and a bottle of wine, - 25 p.

And all this abundance and comfortable life was achieved, despite the maintenance of 5,5-million, armed to the teeth with the most modern weapons, the best army in the world!

Since 1946 in the USSR, work on the atomic arms and energy; rocket technology; automation of technological processes; the introduction of the latest computing and electronics; space flights; gasification of the country; household appliances.

The world's first nuclear power plant was commissioned in the USSR a year earlier than in England, and 2 a year earlier than in the United States. Only in the USSR were created nuclear icebreakers.

Thus, in the USSR for one five-year plan - from 1946 to 1950. - in the conditions of a tough military-political confrontation with the richest capitalist power of the world, without any external assistance, at least three socio-economic tasks were solved: 1) the national economy was restored; 2) ensured a steady increase in the standard of living of the population; 3) an economic breakthrough to the future.

And even now we exist only at the expense of Stalin’s heritage. In science, industry - in almost all areas of life.

US presidential candidate Stevenson assessed the situation in such a way that if production growth rates in Stalinist Russia remain, then by 1970 the volume of its production in 3-4 will exceed American.

The September issue of Narional Business magazine for 1953 a year in Herbert Harris’s article “Russians are catching up with us” noted that the USSR is ahead of any country in terms of economic power growth rates and that they are currently higher in the USSR 2-3 times than in the USA.

In 1991, at the Soviet-American symposium, when our “democrats” began to squeal about the “Japanese economic miracle,” the Japanese billionaire Yerosi Teravama weighed them into an excellent “slap”: “You are not talking about the main thing - about your leading role in the world. In 1939, you, Russians, were smart, and we, the Japanese, are fools. In 1949, you became even smarter, and we were fools for now. And in 1955, we got smarter, and you turned into 5-year-olds. Our entire economic system is almost completely copied from yours, with the only difference that we have capitalism, private producers, and we never achieved more than 15% growth, while you, with public ownership of the means of production, reached 30% and more. In all our firms hang your slogans of the Stalinist era. ”

One of the best representatives of believing workers, revered by St. Luke, the archbishop of Simferopol and Crimea, wrote: “Stalin has preserved Russia. He showed what Russia means to the rest of the world. And therefore, as an Orthodox Christian and a Russian patriot, I bow low to Comrade Stalin. ”

Never in its history has our country known such magnificent transformations as in the Stalin era! The whole world shocked watching our progress! That is why the “devilish” task is now being implemented - never again to allow the emergence of people in the power levers of the state that are comparable in their internal strength, moral qualities, strategic thinking, organizational skills and patriotism with Joseph Stalin (today, in my opinion, only GA Zyuganov meets these requirements, and that is why the whole propaganda machine of Russophobes and anti-Soviet for more than two decades has been working targeted against the leader of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, all his life sanctify the people. And for this, all we need is to slander and slander the activities and life of a great man.

But a quarter of a century of unbridled propaganda did not bring its organizers victory even over the dead Stalin.

We know the motives of those who slander Stalin. All this nonsense falls on us so that we, through a comparison of what was done then, could not understand the crime of what is happening now. Could not even in thoughts return to the ideas of socialism! The anti-Stalinist campaign pursues one goal - to prevent the people from re-creating the Stalinist economic system, which will make our country independent and powerful very quickly.
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  1. ziqzaq
    ziqzaq 11 September 2013 08: 33 New
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    I really hope that the personality of the scale of Joseph Vissarionovich will return to us again ...
    Without this, without a true leader, it will be very difficult, almost impossible to defeat the liberoid-homodril-comprador forces ....
    1. elmi
      elmi 11 September 2013 14: 17 New
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      Quote: ziqzaq
      I really hope that the personality of the scale of Joseph Vissarionovich will return to us again ...

      Yes, we do not have enough people of the Stalin format, of the current rulers Lukashenko is more or less suitable. If he were the single president of one country, including Belarus, then I think he would put things in order in a short time. It is really difficult to deploy to a small Belarus. Nevertheless, there order, in the absence of rich minerals that we have. I like hardness in it, not a shadow of softness that is inherent in our rulers.
    2. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 11 September 2013 14: 23 New
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      In the memory of the people for centuries.
      1. Sirs
        Sirs 11 September 2013 17: 08 New
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        I read an article somewhere, this article contains the thoughts of a Japanese businessman. A Japanese man came to Moscow in the dashing 90s for a symposium and said: "in the 30s we Japanese were fools, in the 60s we became smarter, and now you are fools. Our (Japanese) economy is copied from Stalin's." IMHO
        1. Sirs
          Sirs 12 September 2013 03: 21 New
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          Some phrases in this article are copied from an article about a Japanese.
          1. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 12 September 2013 04: 36 New
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            Quote: Sirs
            Some phrases in this article are copied from an article about a Japanese.
    3. Ulan
      Ulan 11 September 2013 17: 47 New
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      I would very much like for this to happen. For such a person to appear. But what did we do to make it appear?
      Here are the last elections, a third of those who came to the polls voted for the adventurer and the thief of Navalny? Few people had the adventurer and Yoltsin’s splinter?
      Still want to?
      I am not campaigning for Sobyanin at all, but I am talking about the fact that a figure of the scale of Stalin will appear in Russia, but we may not notice it.
      Yes ... you can say that talent will break through, but I think that the support of such a person depends on us.
      After all, it is clear that the current government will in every way prevent the emergence of such a powerful competitor.
    4. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 11 September 2013 19: 20 New
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      "... without a real leader, it will be very difficult, almost impossible to defeat the liberoid-homodril-comprador forces ..." ziqzaq (3)  Today, 08:33


      Russia will not be able to win not only "without a real leader," such as I.V. Stalin, but also without the restoration of the socialist state, without the restoration of Soviet power.
      Only in a socialist state, under the conditions of a nationwide Soviet power, can a leader emerge who enjoys the confidence of the majority of the people and most importantly works for the benefit of the whole people, and not for a handful of capitalist bourgeois who are in power of the capitalist state.
    5. GREAT RUSSIA
      GREAT RUSSIA 11 September 2013 22: 27 New
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      That such a GREAT PERSONALITY like Joseph VISSARIONOVICH Dzhugashvili returned to us. We should return the truth in history. Take and read the current history book about the USSR and about Stalin. You will not believe your eyes. There Stalin goes like a tyrant, and they threw all the untruth on him. .Molly, he ordered the execution of innocent people in the 1930s, but in fact he destroyed the 5th convoy. And I want to note that these data first appeared with the advent of such a Western liberal reptile as Gorbachev (I will not write the surname of this reptile with a capital letter) .And later in the history books, with the advent of another reptile like Yeltsin (and I won’t write his surname with a big one) .Therefore, for such a strong person as Stalin to appear, we need to return the correct history of our GREAT MOTHERLAND. countries there is no past, then there is no future.
    6. nnz226
      nnz226 15 September 2013 00: 07 New
      +1
      "When the master comes - the master will judge us!" written by Nekrasov in the 19th century. Stalin's merit is enormous: about accepting the country with a plow and leaving it with an atomic bomb, like Churchill said, although some do not believe in this phrase. But he did not leave a successor: the corn bald uebbbish that followed him and other eyebrow leaders ruined everything he left. And this is a minus: you are building an empire, think and prepare a successor, so that everything "acquired by overwork" will not be blown into the wind ...
  2. GOGY
    GOGY 11 September 2013 08: 35 New
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    The article is unambiguous +, with the exception of the remark about Zyuganov, it’s not enough to speak correctly, it is necessary to do the thing, but it will not be
  3. kenvas
    kenvas 11 September 2013 08: 45 New
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    Stalin was the Strength, Mind and Conscience of the Great Soviet People! He carried responsibility on his shoulders for a vast country, and the people loved him, respected him, the enemies of the people shook with fear (Khrushchev) destroyed all plans and slandered a great man! Stalin was a human being! a brilliant politician and leader, in a word - the Leader. Probably no one has done more for the USSR and the people than it has been since the days of Vladimir Krasno Sunny. He was Georgian, but he was Russian at heart and a True Soviet Man, Leader and Communist. Who wants to minus, but Stalin is an Icon, not a religious icon, but a People’s! Icon of the USSR and now Russia!
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 11 September 2013 11: 37 New
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      His strength is that he was not afraid to make and bear responsibility for difficult but necessary decisions, whoever said anything about him but he placed the interests of his own country above his personal interests, and the people love and appreciate this, he is ready to forgive almost everything. Now such a political system is built that people like him simply will not fall into power.
    2. Ulan
      Ulan 11 September 2013 17: 51 New
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      I read that Stalin said that he was "Russian of Georgian origin".
      Also from the memory of contemporaries. Once Stalin’s son Vasily told his sister Svetlana, you know, once in childhood our dad was Georgian.
      Those. the children of Stalin considered their father and themselves Russian.
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 11 September 2013 17: 55 New
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        Well, the mother is at Vaska and Svetlana --- RUSSIAN!
      2. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 11 September 2013 23: 03 New
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        You read the answer of I.V. Stalin to the letter of the teacher of his son Vasily, this will open your eyes to many things. Everything is in the public domain.
    3. GREAT RUSSIA
      GREAT RUSSIA 11 September 2013 22: 29 New
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      Agree good GLORY TO STALIN !! Glory to the USSR !! GLORY TO RUSSIA!! soldier soldier soldier soldier soldier
  4. Egoza
    11 September 2013 08: 45 New
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    Such articles just need to be reprinted on flyers and distributed to people! Youth, students, schoolchildren! So that people know the truth and support those who demand the return of both the Stalinist Constitution and the socialist system. And the fact that the people will finally "rise from sleep", I'm sure.
    1. Ribwort
      Ribwort 11 September 2013 15: 08 New
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      Oh, in vain the author laid out such facts, and even in such a quantity. Representatives of the current government, reading this article, probably feel themselves insignificant in comparison with him. But that's the way it is ... Your destiny is only to "master" the budget ..
    2. GREAT RUSSIA
      GREAT RUSSIA 11 September 2013 22: 30 New
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      Quote: Egoza
      Such articles just need to be reprinted on flyers and distributed to people! Youth, students, schoolchildren! So that people know the truth and support those who demand the return of both the Stalinist Constitution and the socialist system. And the fact that the people will finally "rise from sleep", I'm sure.

      I agree it is precisely such articles on history that should be read by students, children and students. And not the Western garbage that we are being injected with.
  5. Irbis9
    Irbis9 11 September 2013 08: 57 New
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    today in Russia, in my opinion, only G. A. Zyuganov complies with these requirements, and that is why the entire propaganda machine of Russophobes and anti-advisers has been targeting the Communist Party leader for more than two decades),

    Zyuganov in my opinion is not the best option
    1. Vlad 1965
      Vlad 1965 11 September 2013 10: 52 New
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      Irbis9
      "Zyuganov, in my opinion, is far from the best option" -Is there better?
      "Today in Russia, in my opinion, only GA Zyuganov meets these requirements, and that is why the entire propaganda machine of Russophobes and anti-Sovietists has been working against the leader of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation for more than two decades)," - ABSOLUTELY correct thought.
      They give a lot of time on TV, the media, precisely the direct speech of the leader of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation? Or do they take not the most important quotes, and then they cast out how they can?
      1. ivshubarin
        ivshubarin 11 September 2013 11: 11 New
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        Compare Zyuganov with Stalin as a mosquito with an elephant
        1. Vlad 1965
          Vlad 1965 11 September 2013 11: 59 New
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          Is the article a direct comparison? Where did you see it?
          1. Zopuhhh
            Zopuhhh 11 September 2013 12: 11 New
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            Zyuganov could not realize a single idea, and after 1996, when he won, but was afraid / bought to go to confrontation - he lost all respect
            1. Vlad 1965
              Vlad 1965 11 September 2013 12: 35 New
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              http://ttolk.ru/?p=11949
              Yes, and when did you listen to 90 all kinds of trash when you thought?
              Now, when you thought a certain place for this was not appropriate, Zyuganov was to blame. A powerful thought, just in line with the ideologists of liberalism ...
              that's just how the whole project is moving -
              http://ttolk.ru/?p=18493
          2. ivshubarin
            ivshubarin 11 September 2013 12: 18 New
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            Zyuganov does not meet more than one requirement. It’s nothing at all.
            1. Vlad 1965
              Vlad 1965 11 September 2013 12: 45 New
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              From your point of view, is this http://ttolk.ru/?p=11639 and equally its afterlife better?
              No wonder the red demon by the name of Chubais, was photographed on his grave, how, ideological very similar.
              Or are these quasi-patriots closer to you?
              http://ttolk.ru/?p=10598
        2. GREAT RUSSIA
          GREAT RUSSIA 11 September 2013 22: 32 New
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          Quote: ivshubarin
          Compare Zyuganov with Stalin as a mosquito with an elephant

          There is no COMRADE to compare Zyuganov with STALIN more precisely, like a pebble with such a mountain as Elbrus or Everest, of your choice.
      2. lucidlook
        lucidlook 11 September 2013 12: 57 New
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        Communist Party, say ... Zyuganov, say. For reference:

        "In 2008, the activities of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation were 70 percent financed from the state budget of the Russian Federation. According to the reporting report of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation at the XIII Party Congress, for 10 months of 2008 the total amount of receipts amounted to 148 million rubles, including 8 million rubles of membership dues deductions, 36 million rubles - voluntary donations and 106 million rubles - budgetary funding for the votes received by the Communist Party of the Russian Federation in the Duma and presidential elections. "

        You cannot be a part of the system and at the same time - fight the system in all ways and with full dedication. For the system will not tolerate with its part that which opposes it, destroys it, breaks it from the inside. If for so many years you are still part of the systemic opposition, then you are part of the system, and therefore your struggle is only in words. Such a "struggle" is much worse than the system itself, for it corrupts and distracts from real affairs those who were originally pure in their thoughts, who really wanted to fight!
        1. Vlad 1965
          Vlad 1965 11 September 2013 14: 01 New
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          lucidlook
          So what ?
          From the budget go for Yes, 7 r, for a vote cast for a party — that is, the same funds that are in the form of taxes are given by those people who support the Communist Party.
          Now let’s take the other side of the coin, as I understand it, you don’t take into account the activities and sponsors of the EP-A TOTAL AMOUNT THERE — SO WHAT are you keeping quiet in this case ??
          This is the one that all that is being done in the country, attributes to its successes, and if there is no success, blame it on natural disasters and on the Communist Party?
          Zdorovaya logic, on the brink and beyond brink of fiction.
          WHO CANCELED THE PRINCIPLE, LEGAL, PRINCIPAL ACTIVITY-YOU? And on what basis?
          So who are you fighting with? Really with EP? Or in a compartment with EP and its spoilers against the Communist Party, which is much closer to the truth, isn't it?
          1. lucidlook
            lucidlook 11 September 2013 15: 28 New
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            That is, you admit that the modern Communist Party of the Russian Federation does not fundamentally differ from the same EdRa? Once and there and here we see the same approach, the same principles of work - what's the difference? Only in the fact that some are responsible for the adopted laws, while others shrug their shoulders with the words "Parliamentary activity, you understand, the laws of parliament, you understand"?

            Great example of anti-fight.
            1. Vlad 1965
              Vlad 1965 12 September 2013 12: 26 New
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              lucidlook CY
              Where did you see the same principles of work? Fantasies of your mind?
              "Some accept Zones ..." - these are those that lead to a worsening of the situation for the majority, and improve everything for the minority? What does EP do? Remind you what is behind the Land, Water and Forest Codes? You have not learned anything from the fires? Floods with a mass of victims?
              The price of "some accept ..." is such that the minority rolls around like cheese in butter, and the majority survives - is it a successful type of parliamentary activity for you, the United Russia Party, which blocks all amendments and draft laws coming from the opposition under the most far-fetched pretexts?
              Well, look how the EP behaved under the START-2 treaty, is there a concept of what it is? No? Now, when you realize it, then it’s like throwing stones at the Communist Party, but for now you don’t understand what is the point of the opposition’s parliamentary activity, so you will write nonsense.
              "Only in the fact that some are responsible for the adopted laws, while others shrug their shoulders with the words" Parliamentary activity, you understand, the laws of parliament, you understand "? - THIS is a painting in madness, when those who adopt the Laws worsen people's lives, despite the same the Constitution itself, written under the dictation of the amers of the Constitution, where in black and white there is a record that the deterioration of life by the adoption of such laws is not permissible. Who is responsible? For EDUCATION? MEDICINE? DEFENSE? IS NOT EP with spoilers, and how did they answer, an example of the activities of Serdyukov? Golikova? Others? As?
              1. lucidlook
                lucidlook 13 September 2013 12: 06 New
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                So, excellent, we leave aside the ardor and pathos and ask a simple question - what did the Communist Party do to prevent this, to break this rotten system? Or she became part of this system by playing role systemic opposition?

                As a result, aren’t they living and acting in the Duma and the EP and the Communist Party according to the same laws?
                1. V. Salama
                  V. Salama 13 September 2013 13: 01 New
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                  Quote: lucidlook
                  So, excellent, we leave aside the ardor and pathos and ask a simple question - what did the Communist Party do to prevent this, to break this rotten system?

                  I would rather ask this question - to what insanity would our life have been brought if the Duma of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation as a counterweight to "prevent" this insanity in many areas of our life?
                  But "to break this rotten system" - perhaps too early for now, if according to science - there is no roar. situations. The people have not yet lived up to the handle, if even here we have heated disputes over obvious things.
                  Quote: lucidlook
                  Or did she become part of this system, playing the role of a systemic opposition?

                  But, the term systemic opposition refers to the concept of opposition to the system, and not part of the system, if you rest on terminology.
                  Quote: lucidlook
                  As a result, aren’t they living and acting in the Duma and the EP and the Communist Party according to the same laws?
                  Baseless statement. What are the general laws if the ideology is different? Or are you saying that they all get one salary, they bring children to some schools, they let people pass by the gate in one cupboard - there's nothing to be done, each office has its own ethics and its own level of well-being, which is designed to provide the required quality of work.
                  According to the theory of systems, an alien element of the system is rejected by it or is reborn by it. Or the system dies. So, if the system does not want to perish yet, there may be a fan of other reasons - from "the time has not come" to "a class society at a high level of technical development is not capable of developing in an evolutionary way."
                  1. lucidlook
                    lucidlook 13 September 2013 17: 21 New
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                    Quote: V. Salama
                    But, the term systemic opposition refers to the concept of opposition to the system, and not part of the system, if you rest on terminology.

                    You are mistaken in the root - and that is the point. An error at the level of definition of a concept then leads to an ever greater error on an increasing basis.

                    We read the definition:
                    Systemic and non-systemic opposition
                    .
                    The second type includes the vast majority of left-wing and center-right parties of the West (liberal, social-democratic, conservative, Christian-democratic). They are based on the recognition of the inviolability of the main political, social and economic institutions of society and disagree with the current government mainly in choosing ways and means to achieve common strategic goals. Their activities are within the framework of the existing political system and are not aimed at undermining its foundations, although the transfer of power from one party (or coalition of parties) to another as a result of elections in this case does not at all guarantee the absolute continuity of the political course.


                    Now it’s clear why EdR and KPRF have common strategic goals? Well, the chance that the Communist Party will take the majority in the Duma is so insignificant that to speak seriously about a peaceful change of course from capitalist to socialist (communist) within the framework of the existing system can only be a fanatic idealist or a mishandled Cossack. I hope that you personally do not belong to either one or the other, and are simply sincerely mistaken.

                    Quote: V. Salama
                    from "the time has not come" to "a class society at a high level of technical development is not capable of developing in an evolutionary way."

                    Reminds the patient's hopes that "the disease will go away somehow herself"Taking into account the dynamics and tendencies (see, for example, the growth in the number of dollar billionaires in the Russian Federation), it does not seem to me that the patient has any chance of self-healing. The economic and social stratification of society is growing, and will continue to grow, with all that it implies.
                    1. V. Salama
                      V. Salama 14 September 2013 15: 13 New
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                      Quote: lucidlook
                      An error at the level of definition of a concept then leads to an ever greater error on an increasing basis.
                      I agree 100%. It is only necessary to determine the conceptual apparatus. You have decided as I expected, but I think you are a little confused in your justifications, but your position is extremely clear to me.
                      Quote: lucidlook
                      We read the definition:
                      I must note that any definition is a set of essentials in an object (process, phenomenon) from the standpoint of the interests of a particular researcher. This is a view, an abstraction, which is as different from the real world as any other abstraction. Lenin also warned that abstraction cannot be considered part of reality, that is, blindly apply the formulated definition to all situations. So, for example, there are 324 highly scientific definitions of the concept of “management,” but how many more are non-scientific? At one time, when my amers and I began to work closely on countering terrorism, about 200 definitions of this concept were put up for discussion, and the amers managed to smuggle their own - beneficial to them. In addition, the determining concept can be consciously or unconsciously guided by false ideas about the properties of the object (process, phenomenon) under consideration. Any introduced definition of a concept should be subjected to a number of scientific procedures.
                      Quote: lucidlook
                      Systemic and non-systemic opposition.
                      The second type includes the vast majority of left-wing and center-right parties of the West (liberal, social-democratic, conservative, Christian-democratic). They are based on the recognition of the inviolability of the main political, social and economic institutions of society and disagree with the current government mainly in choosing ways and means, in achieving common strategic goals.
                      I don’t understand (the second type?), Are you hanging on to systemic opposition or non-systemic? I must say that we are talking about the Communist Party, the essential of which we can put its ideology. Do you understand what I am talking about? Do not you think that this definition was given by Western science for its views on politics or enemies, with the aim of manipulating our consciousness? For example, how do you like this definition: “Troops that, due to objective necessity, have switched to defense, do not aim to defeat the enemy.” Is that right? I personally think that our situation is different, and the Communist Party, choosing parliamentary methods of struggle, did not become a "systemic" opposition in your understanding of this concept - this label is not peculiar to it. But, the problem is that, according to science, I do not have to prove it - it is not scientific, it is impossible to prove the adequacy of the model (ideas), this can only be refuted. But I do not have good reason to refute this, and you, I think, do not have them either. But most importantly, what is an “off-system” opposition? Who are they? It’s very convenient for the authorities to hang this label and fight it, mixing them into a common bunch of enemies of the people and the state and, for the layman, that Udaltsov, that Navalny are all the same - liberals on salary from the State Department, urine of all of them .... So what is its meaning, what are its role, place and capabilities? Not so it should all look like science.
                    2. V. Salama
                      V. Salama 14 September 2013 15: 16 New
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                      Quote: lucidlook
                      Now it’s clear why EdR and KPRF have common strategic goals? ..

                      This is the place where, in my opinion, you unsuccessfully decided on the rationale. No, it’s not clear.
                      Quote: lucidlook
                      Well, the chance that the Communist Party takes the majority in the Duma is so negligible ...
                      If you think so, then it all depends on an analysis of the reasons for the impossibility of success of parliamentary forms of struggle. For what reason will not receive votes, what is a little chance? It all depends on the answer to this question. It is impossible, because this has never happened in history, because the oligarchs will not allow it, or because no one wants to climb the barricades?
                      Quote: lucidlook
                      Reminds the patient's hopes that "the disease will go away somehow by itself."
                      I would like to draw your attention to your carelessness - read carefully what you are quoting: "a class society at a high level of technical development is not capable of developing in an evolutionary way." What am I talking about? But, I want to draw your attention to one more thing: the situation is such that the Communist Party of the Russian Federation does not now have the right to a blank shot, because it will be the last.
                      Quote: lucidlook
                      .... to speak seriously about a peaceful change of course from capitalist to socialist (communist) within the framework of the existing system can only either a fanatic-idealist or a mishandled Cossack.
                      There are probably such ones, but only a provocateur can speak seriously about the absence of such an opportunity, without good reason.
                      Quote: lucidlook
                      I hope that you personally do not belong to either one or the other, and are simply sincerely mistaken.
                      I would not want to formulate here to whom and how I relate.
                      Quote: lucidlook
                      The economic and social stratification of society is growing, and will continue to grow, with all the consequences.
                      I apologize, but this is a banality, no one denies this and cannot deny it, I only made it clear that the people now still have something to lose and no revolutionary situation has been observed.
      3. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 14 September 2013 18: 46 New
        0
        Point blank I do not see a LEADER in Zyuganov!
    2. Dovmont
      Dovmont 11 September 2013 18: 27 New
      +6
      And I have the same opinion! It is quite warm and satisfying to be in the ranks of the moderate opposition.
  6. Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 11 September 2013 08: 57 New
    +7
    "today in Russia, in my opinion, only GA Zyuganov meets these requirements" - no, he's a rag. So far, apart from Putin, no one is risking taking on all sorts of Gorbachev-Yeltsins. A plus article, Stalin - Personality!
    1. V. Salama
      V. Salama 11 September 2013 09: 37 New
      +4
      Quote: Dazdranagon
      ... no, he's a rag. So far, apart from Putin, no one is risking taking on all sorts of Gorbachev-Yeltsins.
      Extremely superficial judgment and - twice false.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 11 September 2013 10: 29 New
        +2
        It’s interesting, and then who is this human creature who, in the 96, gave Ebeniu a presidential post despite the clearly expressed opinion of the population?

        About GDP is also true. Another thing is that not everything that the hunchback Yeltsin did is taken by the GDP. But only for what the oligarchs need.
        1. Vlad 1965
          Vlad 1965 11 September 2013 11: 00 New
          -2
          alicante11
          Clearly expressed opinion? 50 \ 50%, at best, this time, the second, did you go out to see the barricades with oak trees? NO? And now, after hearing about the Medvedevs and others, put the question to Zyuganov’s reproach, why didn’t you start the CITIZEN? is it?
        2. V. Salama
          V. Salama 11 September 2013 13: 40 New
          +1
          Quote: alicante11
          and then who is this human being ...
          I agree that it is not Stalin.
          Quote: alicante11
          ... who in the 96th gave EBeny a presidential post despite the clearly expressed opinion of the population?
          The "opinion" of the population should not be confused with its willingness to shed their blood and endure hardships, at least those that were arranged according to the instructions of the ex-mayor of Moscow and liberal economist Gavriil Popov for delivering goods to the capital.
          Quote: alicante11
          About GDP is also true. Another thing is that not everything .... is taken by GDP. But only for what the oligarchs need.
          Did you understand what you wrote?
      2. Dazdranagon
        Dazdranagon 11 September 2013 10: 53 New
        +1
        Well, as practice shows - the way it is! If you do not agree, justify, please!
      3. Dazdranagon
        Dazdranagon 11 September 2013 11: 14 New
        0
        Quote: V. Salama
        Extremely superficial judgment and - twice false.

        Justify please!
        1. Vlad 1965
          Vlad 1965 11 September 2013 12: 07 New
          -1
          This is probably why? Http: //ttolk.ru/? P = 18563
          Having read this liar, many lost their minds?
          And now, still not free from the hassle and continue to bear the same nonsense in relation to the Communist Party and its leader, as this liar in relation to the USSR and Stalin?
        2. V. Salama
          V. Salama 11 September 2013 13: 26 New
          +1
          Quote: Dazdranagon
          Justify please!

          If according to Zyuganov, then this is Question 1, Page one:
          In religion you only need to believe, even alone, and you will be saved. Socialism (communism) differs from religion in that it is necessary not only to believe in it, but also to build it, while building it together and highly efficiently, in the absence of a social parasite that (as experience has shown) can eat up everything (“who does not work, but eats ", But you can’t forbid a beautiful life."
          The process of rotting society as a result of rebirth and betrayal of the elite has gone too far. In addition, according to a statement by N. Starikov, which I did not respect, “We have all been brainwashed ...” with slander and lies. As a result, it happened that for the continuation of the cause of building socialism in the country there was no necessary and sufficient combination of subjects, as well as the means and subject of this work. And according to Lenin, “An illiterate person is always out of politics, as a subject, and always in politics, as a means,” but as a rule on the side of the enemy. Simple compatibility (proportionality) of funds with the goal does not yet guarantee the achievement of the goal. An analysis of the compatibility of funds for the purpose should be supplemented taking into account their necessity and sufficiency.
          Sufficient - funds that will certainly lead to the achievement of the goal.
          Necessary - means used whenever the goal is achieved.
          The means of achieving the goal is a tool, a resource (productive force), by the presence of which the resource and technological aspects of performance are evaluated.
          Resource (economic) efficiency - shows how much resource the result is obtained.
          Technological efficiency, which is understood as the degree of correspondence of the objective properties of an object, means and result.
          Important and substantive compliance. You can not make candy out of what it is impossible to make. In the process of training the builders of communism, the student is the object of the pedagogical process, and the subject is its initial quality, the changes made in which are the expected result. However, any student is also a subject of the process of cognitive activity, which must have the need and motivation of his work, and if there is none, then this is not just zero efficiency - in the absence of a subject-object contradiction, no activity arises at all.
          In addition, there will be fierce resistance of the social parasite, in the form of a thieves oligarchy and corrupt officials, who have concentrated administrative and financial resources in their hands, which provides them with the opportunity to solve any problem associated with the threat of their own survival and, be sure, they will not be stopped by moral remorse for any crime - lies and slander will hide everything.
          1. V. Salama
            V. Salama 11 September 2013 13: 28 New
            +2
            Page Two:
            In short, the real alignment of forces was not the same. One should not confuse the simple wishes of the people with their willingness to endure hardships and go to death for the sake of a just cause. If Zyuganov tried to take power in 1996, then he would not have kept it (yes, he would have been banal at once banged and dispersed by the entire Communist Party after a provocation such as "setting fire to the Reichstag"). By doing so, he would completely discredit the idea of ​​building communism and would be destroyed with the approval of his own people, who would have created “devastation” (G. Popov) and “blood” (E. Gaidar) cleaner than civilian, relying on UN bayonets .
            It’s the same as going out into the ring without preparation, into a battle without cartridges — both stupid and pointless. It was more expedient to leave the battle, while retaining the remaining resources for the political struggle in other forms.
            You think that Zyuganov only talks and does nothing. What can he do? He completely lacks a managed subsystem (read above).

            Or do you want to say that you are ready to immediately begin the construction of socialism, regardless of sabotage, economic, political and power sabotage? It will not work, however, without the most severe suppression of resistance - socialism is a means of increasing the well-being of workers, and not a way of enriching the elites or surviving surrounded by social parasites. You will always find yourself hungry, poor and ridiculous, no matter how much and no matter how hard you work. And political power has nothing to do with it, “they’re not dragging them to Paradise or Communism by force,” in this case, good intentions cease to be good.
    2. anip
      anip 11 September 2013 10: 17 New
      +7
      Quote: Dazdranagon
      So far, apart from Putin, no one is risking taking on all sorts of Gorbachev-Yeltsins.

      Who put Putin in power?
      Would that one put Putin in power if Pu were very different from the one he put?
      In addition to Putin, has anyone else been in the presidents since 2000 (Medvedev does not count, do you understand why)?
      ..
      So why such expressions are used: "If not Putin, then who?", "No one except Putin", etc. etc.?
      1. Dazdranagon
        Dazdranagon 11 September 2013 10: 52 New
        -3
        Quote: anip
        Who put Putin in power?

        Yes EBN was not able to think sensibly! GDP just wrote him a text and put it in!
        Quote: anip
        Would that one put Putin in power if Pu were very different from the one he put?
        - It turns out that he set!
    3. Vlad 1965
      Vlad 1965 11 September 2013 10: 57 New
      -2
      Dazdranagon (1)
      "So far, except for Putin, no one runs the risk of taking on whatever Gorbachev-Yeltsyns left him." took to work "?
      "today in Russia, in my opinion, only GA Zyuganov meets these requirements" - no, he is a rag2-Or maybe it is you, a rag? Do you know why? because a rag can always be twisted as it should, using it as it is necessary that with you, through the media and TV, they do it repeatedly, from which you run, on all sorts of spoilers, then the Motherland, then the SR, the Liberal Democratic Party and other supports of the United Russia Party and other (previous) parties in power.
      1. Dazdranagon
        Dazdranagon 11 September 2013 11: 11 New
        +3
        Vlad, I am careful about the media, but I don’t watch TV at all! Those. I'm not a rag! laughing Do not be nervous! wassat
        Do you want to see Zyuganov in power?
        1. Vlad 1965
          Vlad 1965 11 September 2013 11: 30 New
          +6
          Dazdranagon (
          In the Communist Party, in addition to Zyuganov, there are a lot of worthy people. And coming to the Communist Party’s vasti is for a country where it’s better than continuing liberal experiments leading to very negative consequences.
          The ideas put forward by Zyuganov, in the current conditions, are sound and timely, not for nothing, but these are FACT, EP, its other spoilers, as soon as the elections are immediately used: they use in their programs what Zyuganov speaks about, but right away the elections have passed and the result has been achieved; they are doing everything the same as they did.
          And if Zyuganov becomes in power, I don’t see anything bad. But the preservation of all this liberalism in power in the country is fraught.
          It is no coincidence that the incessant attempts to disavow both the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and Zyuganov, do not explain why? Yes, because inevitably and immediately, the "debriefing" will begin according to the actions of 3% of the population - names? hi
          1. Dazdranagon
            Dazdranagon 11 September 2013 13: 15 New
            +1
            Quote: Vlad 1965
            Ideas put forward by Zyuganov
            - the fact of the matter is that the ideas are good, I read the programs of almost all parties (I liked the LDPR more), but their implementation is not entirely realistic in the current conditions. These are the 3% of the population you are talking about that will not allow the Communist Party or the Liberal Democratic Party to do so.
            1. Vlad 1965
              Vlad 1965 11 September 2013 14: 12 New
              +3
              Dazdranagon (
              LDPR-party of one GLAVPAROVOZ WHISTK, used to eject steam and broadcast various kinds of information from the Kremlin ideological kitchen. For this party, there is no IDEA, as such, or the ability to do anything. It is worth leaving. ...
              The implementation of the Ideas of the Communist Party, in the current conditions, is just possible and necessary, but the resistance of 3% and another 5% of its servants, yes, will and will be extremely fierce, for this they use all the power of the media, TV, propaganda in general, which one way or another, to disavow both the Communist Party and Zyuganov in particular.
              What happens in the cities where the EP was removed from power? ELEMENTARY, immediately the flow of funding stopped all at once, right? Up to UD, it’s hard to deny this to people who went through the lists of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation. as a whole, he will endure when he, who in the kitchens yells about disgraces, corruption, banditry, housing and communal services, has one opinion, but how to choose, so immediately to the bushes-OT not to participate, they say everything is decided, to a stupid and cowardly throwing a piece of paper in the ballot box with a bloodsucker candidate?
              Not the PARTY, as such, should do something, even if it brings together one hundred% of the geniuses, but the PEOPLE who support it, and if you do not, then 3% sit in the bloodsuckers where they sat and do what they want.
              1. Dazdranagon
                Dazdranagon 11 September 2013 15: 30 New
                +2
                Quote: Vlad 1965
                What happens in cities where the EP was removed from power? ELEMENTARY, immediately the flow of financing, all at once, ceased

                - I myself observed this situation in Novocherkassk ...
                Quote: Vlad 1965
                Not the PARTY, as such, must do something
                -I agree. “Do not ask what the Motherland gave you; better say what you did for her?” A.P. Chekhov. hi
  7. waisson
    waisson 11 September 2013 09: 10 New
    +8
    yes, would grandfather Joseph Vissarionovich give us everything in its place instantly, I agree that these articles should be distributed as leaflets to the article, plus the fact that they are not worthy yet
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 11 September 2013 10: 38 New
      +2
      Yes, he would if he got up and looked at all this, in general ...
    2. alone
      alone 11 September 2013 20: 03 New
      +1
      I think so. Stalin would get up, look at everything around, spit deliciously and come back.
      1. GREAT RUSSIA
        GREAT RUSSIA 11 September 2013 22: 35 New
        +1
        If Stalin knew what was happening now, he would have risen from the dead and would again have made RUSSIA THE GREAT WORLD'S POWER as the UNION OF SOVIET SOCIALIST REPUBLICS !!!!!!
      2. Egoza
        12 September 2013 16: 16 New
        +1
        Quote: lonely
        Stalin would stand, look at everything around, spit deliciously and come back.

        Oh no! He would have raised his "guard", would have rolled up his sleeves and began to put things in order by addressing the people.
  8. Amur
    Amur 11 September 2013 09: 10 New
    +7
    Article offset and a big plus.
    Stalin is our past (unfortunately) when everyone worked and knew what they were doing.

    Zyuganov, of course, is not our future.
    1. Vlad 1965
      Vlad 1965 11 September 2013 10: 49 New
      +1
      Amur
      And what is your future? Bulk? Zhirinovsky, what other exploiting image of Stalin in his mercantile considerations?
    2. SlavaP
      SlavaP 11 September 2013 21: 46 New
      +1
      Be patient, the story develops in a spiral. There will be no exact copy (clone) of Stalin, but there will be someone endowed with the same abilities and more adapted to the modern world.
  9. deman73
    deman73 11 September 2013 09: 13 New
    +8
    An excellent article by such people and leaders as Stalin is not yet, and the worst thing will probably not be there for a long time
    1. eplewke
      eplewke 11 September 2013 10: 38 New
      +2
      But about Zyuganov, the author definitely Bent ... Zyuganov ... laughing
      With three apartments, a business and mistresses ... yeah ... a prominent superman ...
      1. Vlad 1965
        Vlad 1965 11 September 2013 11: 09 New
        +2
        eplewke (1)
        Holding a candle? Or give a set of SUPERKLEYEV?
        Business? Where, by whom is forbidden? And is it at all? Is it confirmed by documents?
        Apartments? Do you have addresses and documents confirming the illegality of their acquisition?
        In general, you are here, the same "superdeyatel" -by gossip.
  10. Cormorants
    Cormorants 11 September 2013 09: 19 New
    +6
    Stalin well done!
    1. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 11 September 2013 09: 57 New
      15
      While in the "heroes" these ...
      Sucks us in the world.
      1. Hleb
        Hleb 11 September 2013 13: 29 New
        0
        By the way, how did Solovyov end up in the same row with natural Russophobes? Well, it’s clear that he has his own attitude to the rule of Stalin, but he is an adequate person. Maybe I don’t know what about him, tell me
  11. Firstvanguard
    Firstvanguard 11 September 2013 09: 25 New
    +5
    I agree with absolutely everything except the line about Zyuganov. Wrong personality. IMHO.
  12. Nayhas
    Nayhas 11 September 2013 09: 43 New
    -32
    Another communist nonsense. Russia was a poor country and only the Bolsheviks under the leadership of Lenin-Stalin lifted it from its knees. It was only first destroyed industry, the education system, the army, and then with the help of the czarist Russia’s cadres, who didn’t escape in horror from the nightmares created by the Bolsheviks, who were not rotten in the Cheka, they all restored it. For some reason, the Stalinist Communists believe that Russia without them could not have achieved the same results. Why? What is this based on? For example, the author reports on the illiteracy of the population, let me say, but if the educational system is destroyed, then in ten years we will get millions of young illiterate people! The author indicates the construction of 1500 industrial enterprises, but for some reason he is silent who built them? Where did thousands of engineers come from? Found by yourself? These are all royal shots. And where did the equipment for 1500 enterprises come from? Damned capitalists helped ...
    The country had enormous potential, which, despite the flight of thousands, the deaths of millions of its citizens allowed to create what they are now proud of. The Communists and it was Stalin who used this potential extremely ineptly and squandered it in a short time, because this potential is people, but he did not spare people ...
    1. anip
      anip 11 September 2013 10: 30 New
      16
      Russia was a poor country and only the Bolsheviks under the leadership of Lenin-Stalin lifted it from its knees. Just first destroyed industry, the education system, the army,

      In fact, not only the Bolsheviks destroyed industry during the Civil War. And the Bolsheviks did not start a civil war. The education system and the army were not destroyed, but created their own, the most advanced, which is clearly seen in the achievements and victories of the USSR.

      Quote: Nayhas
      The author indicates the construction of 1500 industrial enterprises, but for some reason he is silent who built them? Where did thousands of engineers come from? Found by yourself? These are all royal shots.

      Well, then, under the tsar, these tsarist cadres did not build the same 1 enterprises before World War 1500?
      And under Stalin, educational institutions, i.e. there was nowhere for the frames to come from?

      Quote: Nayhas
      And where did the equipment for 1500 enterprises come from? Damned capitalists helped ...

      Helped, or maybe, after all, sold (the difference, after all)?

      Quote: Nayhas
      The country had enormous potential, which, despite the flight of thousands, the deaths of millions of its citizens allowed to create what they are now proud of. The Communists and it was Stalin who used this potential extremely ineptly and squandered it in a short time, because this potential is people, but he did not spare people ...

      Was it Stalin who spared no people? Well, if we attribute to people all kinds of dissidents, embezzlers, Trotskyists, bribe takers, then yes, I did not regret it. And how did Stalin squander human potential if the article directly says for you:
      The population of the Soviet Union increased by 41 million people.

      Over the past 20 years, the Russian Federation can boast similar rates of population growth (as a percentage of the total population)?
      1. maxvik
        maxvik 11 September 2013 10: 47 New
        -10
        Quote: anip
        And the Bolsheviks did not start a civil war.

        And who started it and how?

        Quote: anip
        y, if to attribute to people all kinds of dissidents, embezzlers, Trotskyists, bribe takers

        That's all bad, according to Article 58 of the simplified investigative procedure with the sentence of the troika. Easy we judge people.
        1. T80UM1
          T80UM1 12 September 2013 07: 53 New
          +2
          after the October Revolution, all the bourgeois were released on parole, and after that they unleashed a war (Kaledin, Krasnov, Denikin, Kornilov)
      2. maxvik
        maxvik 11 September 2013 10: 49 New
        -7
        Quote: anip
        Over the past 20 years, the Russian Federation can boast similar rates of population growth (as a percentage of the total population)?


        The fall in fertility and the growth of mortality began in the USSR in 60-70gg. Just under socialism. Why did this happen? Is Putin again to blame?
    2. explorer
      explorer 11 September 2013 10: 31 New
      11
      Quote: Nayhas
      Stalin used this potential extremely ineptly and squandered it in a short time, because this potential is people, but he did not spare people ...

      But now they feel sorry ... the question is who.
      All norms and documents on labor protection were mostly developed in the 30s, for example:
      Binding Decree of the People's Commissariat of Labor of the USSR
      of December 11, 1929 N 377 "Rules for outdoor work in the cold season"

      To the issue of family care:
      By order of the CEC and the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR dated 27.06.1936) in order to combat the frivolous attitude to the family, a personal call was established to the registry offices of both divorcing spouses with a mandatory divorce stamp in their passport; payment for registration of divorces was also increased: for the first divorce - 50 rubles., for the second - 150 rubles., for the third and subsequent - 300 rubles.
      And now: I hope no need to remind about Prokhorov with his ideas ..
      1. maxvik
        maxvik 11 September 2013 10: 41 New
        -11
        Quote: explorer
        All norms and documents on labor protection were mostly developed in the 30s, for example:

        And before the 17th year there were none at all?


        Quote: explorer
        To the issue of family care:

        And this is not serious at all, because the idea of ​​free relations was proposed by the communist predecessors of Stalin.
        1. V. Salama
          V. Salama 13 September 2013 13: 24 New
          +1
          Quote: maxvik
          And this is not serious at all, because the idea of ​​free relations was proposed by the communist predecessors of Stalin.

          Not true, the sexual revolution was ripening until 1917 - even the reigning people succumbed to influence. After all this spilled out into practice, but not by the Communists, who for some time did not impede, but soon closed institutions with specious signs. The supporters of free relations were also among the Communists, but, clearly, not officially. So for example Kolontay for his vzdyady (careless line in his work) paid with a link.
          Quote: maxvik
          And before the 17th year there were none at all?

          Why didn't it happen at all? Nobody asserted that. Like "do not enter the powder magazine with a candle", "hold the steam hammer pressure ..." and so on.
      2. kazssr
        kazssr 11 September 2013 12: 59 New
        0
        Quote: explorer
        And now: I hope no need to remind about Prokhorov with his ideas ..

        Excuse me, but what did he say again?
        1. T80UM1
          T80UM1 12 September 2013 07: 54 New
          +1
          working week increase from 40 to 65 hours
    3. maxvik
      maxvik 11 September 2013 10: 37 New
      -11
      And why everyone puts the cons in silence. The author of the comment asks specific questions. Nothing to answer? According to many historians, the tsarist army was rearmament by the spring of the 17th year and was ready to capture Berlin. But Lenin and Co. on German-American money organized a mess with all the ensuing consequences. Stalin then straightened it out, but at what cost. It was not possible to create a stable system, for Khrushchev came from Khrushchev.
      I have no idealistic ideas about tsarist Russia, but the Stalinist one was far from ideal.
      1. Vlad 1965
        Vlad 1965 11 September 2013 11: 14 New
        +8
        maxvik
        You put cons, for complete ignorance.
        “According to the estimates of many historians, the tsarist army was rearmed by the spring of 17 and was ready to take Berlin.” - WHAT HYSTERICIANS proved this?
        “But Lenin and Co. organized a mess with German-American money with all the ensuing consequences.” - Which of the ISTERIKOV proved it, with the ensuing strong brownish and bad-smelling consequences? Considering that FEBRUARY, according to the calendar, is much earlier than OCTOBER.
        “It was not possible to create a stable system, because Khrushchev, where did Khrushchev come from.” - Where did Khrushchev come from, and where did all the scoundrels come from. Maxvik RU didn’t know what a political struggle is and who fought for what?
        1. maxvik
          maxvik 11 September 2013 11: 27 New
          -10
          Quote: Vlad 1965
          What hysteria have this proven?

          For example - Multatuli., I do not remember the initials.
          American researcher Sutton, with documents, etc.

          And which ones proved the opposite?

          Quote: Vlad 1965
          Not in the dark maxvik RU

          Well, yes, not in the dark, I'm generally dumb. I don’t understand how in the ideal socialist system immediately, at its dawn, scoundrels, traitors, etc. appear. and in such numbers, and this system could not oppose them. 70 years is very little for social state ideology, it is a sentence for its viability.
          I am not a liberal, and I am not ready to judge Stalin - not a hat for Senka. But it’s possible to discuss it, but here immediately a painful reaction.
          1. Vlad 1965
            Vlad 1965 11 September 2013 11: 34 New
            +8
            maxvik
            Multatuli, Sutton, Conquest and Mays, Solzhenitsyn, yep, even Pipes in the appendage and Solonin and Sokolov, and Mlechin and Svanidze, in addition to substantiating the HISTORY in History.
            We take Fursov, listen to read, S. Kara-Murzu, in the end, even A. Zinoviev, and all your arguments, are not worth a damn.
            We read the opinions of contemporaries ONIKOLAE2? And after that you will say that RI was capable of something there?
            http://maxpark.com/community/2100/content/2186274
            We also read the opinion of a colleague, RI is ready for your brains reading on the 17th year. RI is ready for something there, Hyppopotut RU Today, 11:33.
            1. maxvik
              maxvik 11 September 2013 11: 46 New
              -2
              It was Kara-Murza who wrote the textbook on the manipulation of consciousness. So you apply one of these manipulations. Build a logical chain from Sutton to Svanidze, using only emotions and sticking labels. This gives rise to conflict and misunderstanding.
              You briefly write your opinion, your arguments - this is an occasion for discussion.
              1. Vlad 1965
                Vlad 1965 11 September 2013 11: 56 New
                +3
                S. Kara-Murza, accurately described how you are being manipulated, with the help of Suttons, pipes and other agitprop, if you do not understand what Kara-Murza wrote, this says only one thing, correct the PATTERN in your head, when everything coming from the WEST is for you "true"
                And the logical chain I built is absolutely true, because the information war against Russia never stopped, no matter how it is called.
                You are given facts, not your references to tantrums from history.
                1. maxvik
                  maxvik 11 September 2013 12: 53 New
                  -1
                  You personally have not brought a single fact, but you know how I am being manipulated, and you have not the slightest doubt in the absoluteness of your knowledge. It is amazing. You’re not even trying to understand what I’m writing, get personal, you’re ready to burn everyone into enemies. This is exactly how society is divided, those who in the west are waging an information war against you and me.
                  1. Vlad 1965
                    Vlad 1965 11 September 2013 14: 21 New
                    +1
                    maxvik RU
                    Open your eyes, gave you two links and a footnote to the opinion of a colleague, hard to read? Or what is written in your TEMPLATE does not fit?
          2. V. Salama
            V. Salama 13 September 2013 13: 45 New
            0
            Quote: maxvik
            I don’t understand how in the ideal socialist system immediately, at its dawn, scoundrels, traitors, etc. appear. and in such numbers, and this system could not oppose them.

            Imagine that on TV Zyuganov announces: "From 9.00:XNUMX today, communism is announced - a society of free and conscientious workers ..." and what, where will all this go?
      2. Proud.
        Proud. 11 September 2013 11: 41 New
        +6
        Quote: maxvik
        But Lenin and Co. on German-American money organized a mess with all the ensuing consequences

        Sweeping "in the minds", in the army, began with the February events of 1917. Then the notorious order number 1, dated March 1, appeared (the parts of the order were written under the dictation of the soldiers, collective creativity). The future ministers of the provisional government-Skobelev got acquainted with the order , Milyukov, Guchkov, their reaction was sharply negative. Kerensky did not see anything terrible in the order. And the order was published in Izvestia, on March 2. A pacifying appeal to the soldiers was followed up. But it did not solve anything. army, finished off the "Declaration of the Rights of the Soldier." Guchkov did not sign it, resigned. Kerensky, becoming Minister of War signed. The main idea of ​​the Declaration was the idea of ​​granting the soldiers civil rights (this is in the Army! Leading the fighting.) Order No. 1 was the main one. ideas of self-government and political independence (the officers "don't need FIG," we ourselves can.) And where is Lenin?
        1. explorer
          explorer 11 September 2013 11: 59 New
          -4
          Quote: Be proud.
          And where is Lenin?

          The most famous pupil of Fyodor Kerensky (A.F. Kerensky's father) was Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin) repeat - a joke
          To be more precise, Lenin and Co. are the second echelon, as in Syria behind the Liberals and peaceful demonstrations - Al-Qaeda and others. Our "friends" (Anglossaxons) always hit with a series of blows until they reach their goal.
          1. Vlad 1965
            Vlad 1965 11 September 2013 12: 09 New
            +1
            Your friends are brought up on this-
            http://ttolk.ru/?p=18563
            Then it’s not surprising that you are broadcasting such nonsense. Moreover, exactly following the recipes of the arrogant Saxons.
            Or are you brought up on these little ideas
            http://ttolk.ru/?p=18231
            Or do you not know what happened like that
            http://ttolk.ru/?p=18097
            And in 90, exactly what happened when they left under STALIN?
        2. STALGRAD76
          STALGRAD76 11 September 2013 13: 04 New
          +5
          I’ll add that Kerensky was a masson and didn’t stop the war with Germany, which was necessary to do in that military-political internal situation, but continued to push and shake Russia under pressure from France and England, and when soldiers were massively deserted from the fronts (thanks to this, Order No. 1 nothing threatened) incited by the introduced commissars, right with arms, capturing the cities, he safely threw into Europe, leaving his family, Russia and the king and his family, the British refused to take the king and his family. Let me remind you that Lenin appeared in Russia from Finland only by the end of September of the 17, primarily in the period from February to October of the 1917. the then political and economic elite failed whole empire!!!
      3. smile
        smile 11 September 2013 15: 25 New
        +7
        maxvik
        too lazy to crush water in a mortar about the readiness of our army in 17 to take Berlin ... but okay. Briefly.
        Russian industry did not produce the following types of weapons at all: Large-caliber machine guns, light machine guns, mortars, flamethrowers, "zeppellins". It produced very few aircraft. a normal domestic fighter never appeared, an armored fighting vehicle. We practically did not have heavy artillery, and at that time it was the main tool for breaking through echeloned field defense (everything that the Army had was collected for the Brusilov breakthrough) - in terms of its quantity, we were inferior to the Germans dozens of times, and without it it was impossible to successfully fight ... And no 76mm cannon could replace it. Damn, we even bought rifles all over the world, from Japan to Mexico. A dozen of their most diverse systems were in service, from Arisaki to Berdanka. The saturation of troops with machine guns is also an order of magnitude less. than the Germans. And no need to talk about the great "Ilya Muromets" - there were few of them. and by the end of the war, the Germans created a bomber that surpassed him in performance characteristics.
        Next.
        The army was decomposed to the ground. And the Bolsheviks are not guilty of this. They were negligible, and all of their leadership projected in Switzerland. The army was spread out by the liberals. Yes, yes, it is precisely those who overthrew the king who finished her off by arranging for the election of commanding personnel in the army and abolishing subordination. Imagine, the battery’s soldier’s committee itself decided who their commander would be and whether they would shoot ..... I repeat, the Bolsheviks still didn’t smell ...
        Further, the Temporary dismissed the police and local government. The transport and financial system was paralyzed. In big cities, famine began. because the surplus proclamation introduced by the tsar was canceled and the fists were ready to pound grain, rather than deliver it to the cities .... A peasant war was actually going on in the country, by the summer of 17 over 3 thousand armed riots were recorded ...
        And what the hell, canine, campaign against Berlin could be discussed? What kind of historians can carry such nonsense? About what, what for snacks? (I hope this joke is remembered) :))))
        The empire collapsed - and the Bolsheviks picked up power, like a drunken woman under a fence ...
        Where do you come from .... I beg you to read some other historians .... and first of all, restore it. please chronology of the chain of events for at least 17 years, if you know how to think, you will understand everything yourself ....
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 11 September 2013 15: 40 New
          0
          Volodya, who destroyed the army with "Okopnaya Pravda"? Eh? In the net you will find (if you wish) who are the editors and compilers. There was a targeted information war. Nikolashka lost, that's the result
          1. smile
            smile 11 September 2013 16: 54 New
            +2
            Day 11
            Hi Dan!
            But don’t you know that even in the spring of the Bolsheviks no one in Russia practically knew? They were negligible and they had a microscopic effect on the country .... it was only then that they came up with the idea of ​​overthrowing the autocracy, well. propaganda is propaganda-a sin on them tryndet for it ... :))) And their newspapers were simply lost in the ocean of their competitors' waste paper .... :)))
            And they were able to take power only thanks to the iron will of their leaders and that. that they were ready to fight for power ... with clear goals and relying on their own strengths and iron discipline. And then, regardless of their goals, they were forced to fight to the death for the One and Indivisible — the only chance for them to survive was to build a strong state. otherwise, they would simply be destroyed from without exception ...
            And Nikolai lost to his liberals, among whom were the Grand Dukes, like Lviv. who joyfully stated that. they say that we dissolve the police and self-government, let the people organize themselves ... idiettten ... If the Bolsheviks won the information war, at least someone would know about them in the spring of 17 ... and where were they at that time? As they say, where, anywhere nowhere! Their fraction of the RSDLP was insignificant .... but it was united, toothy and ready for anything :)))
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 11 September 2013 17: 03 New
              0
              In many ways Volod agrees with you. But the RSDLP at that time began to rise. (Elected (Lenin) volume 8). Remember Martov, what slogans did he push?
              1. smile
                smile 12 September 2013 00: 14 New
                0
                Day 11
                The Bolsheviks at that time were a pitiful bunch of internal oppositionists in the RSDLP. With the Mensheviks, who were in the majority there :))), they were mortal enemies. And the Mensheviks are the same supporters of liberalism. And the works of Vladimir Ilyich, with all my respect for him, I'm sorry, I got so tired of "passing" the History of the CPSU that I don't even want to remember them ... especially since he, like any politician, exaggerated his importance and the importance of his party ... at the beginning of February, he believed that coming to power is possible in decades ... he just did not know that the liberals would overthrow Nikolashka and kill the country - this, I think, says a lot ... :)) )
      4. kirgudu
        kirgudu 11 September 2013 15: 48 New
        +4
        Why talk to a person who has brainwashed. Do not even want to remember the state of the army in the war with Germany. The Russian army was completely demoralized, supplies were stolen, and supplies were disrupted. Nicholas II thought more about his amusements than about the country. Here is the result.

        The Stalinist state was far from ideal, though at that time something happened in Europe and the USA that they prefer not to talk about at all.
      5. Ulan
        Ulan 11 September 2013 18: 09 New
        +4
        The question is, who are these "many historians"? What are the last names? And how was the tsarist army ready if the summer offensive of 17 completely failed? And was it in the spring of the 17th it was the "tsarist army"?
        Dear, well, you can’t do this. It’s indecent to not know history like that. From February 17th, and therefore in the spring of 17th, it was no longer the tsarist army, but the army of bourgeois Russia. The Army of the Provisional Government, since the army had already sworn to the Provisional to the government.
        And then the liberals organized the mess in February 17th and they ruined the army. Their heirs did the same in the 91st year. Although I would like to read Denikin's memoirs.
        It looks like your "historians" are as illiterate as you, excuse me, if they call the army of the spring of 17 "imperial".
        You see, the army is "ready" not only when it is armed with the best, modern weapons, has the necessary strength ... BUT! but also organization and fighting spirit, morale and will. But with organization and fighting spirit was full of seams. Such an army was unable to take Berlin.
        And with modern weapons, things were not very good.
        How many tanks were in service with Russia in the 17th year?
        Over the course of the war, Russia was never able to launch production of tanks and planes, while Germany (planes), France and England released thousands of them.
        And some "historians" are trying to hang on to the ears that in the spring of 17 the Russian army could take Berlin.
        I could not, and I named the reasons. Name them to your "historians" too.
      6. vardex
        vardex 12 September 2013 00: 23 New
        0
        There are no ideal systems, only in one case, if the people are perfect.
        And what to do with the heroes of Dostoevsky ,,,,,,
      7. T80UM1
        T80UM1 12 September 2013 08: 00 New
        +1
        in June 1917 a general offensive was launched, which immediately ran out, unfortunately after the bourgeois-democratic revolution, most of the officer corps was destroyed by progressive democrats, a mess began in the army, and there was no question of taking Berlin. The mess in the state was just the same after the Democrats, and therefore almost two-thirds of the former officers and almost the entire army went after the Bolsheviks hoping for order. The Stalinist system was the ideal forge of personnel. In order for an official not to abuse his position, it was necessary to create a system in which he was forced to work not for himself but for a country where the situation yielded nothing.
    4. Bezarius
      Bezarius 11 September 2013 11: 42 New
      +4
      If everything was so good in the empire, why did they lose the first world war? Or why there was no such growth rate as in the USSR? And why there are so many. And the answer to them is simple, the situation in those days was similar to the current one. Corruption flourished, it is enough to recall the Russian fleet, which grandmother sawed there.
    5. alicante11
      alicante11 11 September 2013 12: 08 New
      +4
      The Bolsheviks did not destroy anything. All the factories of central Russia ensured the victory of the Red Army in the Civil. But the quality of that industry is very well indicated by the fact that RI spent the longest time tackling the hunger on the fronts of the WWII. Yes, and could not overcome it without supplies of allies.
    6. sdv68
      sdv68 11 September 2013 14: 07 New
      10
      Quote: Nayhas
      Just first destroyed industry, the education system, the army


      1. There was nothing to destroy. Russia was more than 90% a peasant country. In industry in 1913 no more than 2% of the working population was employed.

      2. What kind of education do you mean? TSSh, in which apart from arithmetic, reading / writing and the law of God did not teach anything else?

      3. As for the army, we give the floor to Denikin. I think, in this business understood better than you.
      “When they repeat at every step that the Bolsheviks served as the cause of the collapse of the army, I protest. This is not true. Others have ruined the army ... The military legislation of recent months has ruined the army ”


      Quote: Nayhas
      and then with the help of cadres of tsarist Russia ... they all restored it.


      Not only restored, but also increased. Read the article above.

      Quote: Nayhas
      For some reason, the Stalinist Communists believe that Russia without them could not have achieved the same results. Why? What is this based on?


      You are able to give an example of a country destroyed by WWI, which in 10 years would have achieved the same as Russia under the leadership of Stalin. Not to offer Germany. Because all of Europe pumped the loot into Hitlerite Germany. By the time WWII began, Germany was "all in debt like silk." And nobody helped Russia.


      Quote: Nayhas
      The author indicates the construction of 1500 industrial enterprises, but for some reason he is silent who built them? Where did thousands of engineers come from?
      So learned. Schools, institutes, have opened everywhere since the Bolsheviks came to power.
      Quote: Nayhas
      And where did the equipment for 1500 enterprises come from? Damned capitalists helped ...
      How can you get help from them. The USSR is not Hitler's Germany, into which all the "civilized Europeans" threw in the money (see above). In the case of the USSR, everything was bought for hard currency - grain. Read about the "golden blockade".
    7. Dovmont
      Dovmont 11 September 2013 18: 35 New
      +1
      You plus, hit the point!
    8. uyrii67
      uyrii67 12 September 2013 07: 31 New
      +1
      Interestingly, and the illiteracy of the population arose only with the beginning of the revolution? Until 17, everyone was educated, but the Bolsheviks came, ruined education and illiteracy came! Why was the remarkable bourgeois power unable to ensure the supply of its army, why was the I. Muromets summit not completed at least to 100 pieces? By the way, the IL-2 was produced in thousands.
    9. V. Salama
      V. Salama 12 September 2013 15: 11 New
      0
      Quote: Nayhas
      For example, the author reports on the illiteracy of the population, let me, but if you destroy the education system, ...
      This information is reflected in the last pre-revolutionary census of the population of Russia. Check out - you will be surprised, but if you compare with the level of education of the population of any European country of that time - I guarantee a shock.
  13. Orik
    Orik 11 September 2013 09: 47 New
    +7
    The article is a plus, but the author needs to be objective. Consumer goods such as fashionable clothes were produced 100% in the cooperative; for the CPSU secretaries there were so-called envelopes smile , Malenkov tried to cancel them, but after the arrival of the nickname they returned, paid the unpaid and increased, although they began to see the base essence of the partyocrats and made several attempts to remove them from management, and the last Zyuganov, this comfortable politician can only chat.
  14. Fin
    Fin 11 September 2013 09: 53 New
    +2
    Article plus. I agree with everything except this:
    There was an abundance of diverse industrial and food products in stores, and there was no concept of scarcity. The choice of products in grocery stores was much wider than in modern supermarkets. Now only in Finland you can try sausage, reminiscent of the Soviet of those times. Banks with crabs were in all Soviet stores.

    Could it be in Moscow? In the outback was as usual - empty.
    1. Shuriken
      Shuriken 11 September 2013 10: 08 New
      +2
      Did you live in the hinterland in a conscious age in the 50s, or was you confused with the 80s?
      1. Fin
        Fin 11 September 2013 14: 03 New
        +1
        Quote: Shuriken
        Did you live in the hinterland in a conscious age in the 50s, or was you confused with the 80s?

        Did not live. But grandmother and grandfather from the Vologda province, because of starvation, left for Koenigsberg, where the grandfather was wounded and was in the hospital. Of the 16 children in the war and the postwar years, 8 died due to hunger and disease.
    2. kazssr
      kazssr 11 September 2013 13: 03 New
      +3
      Quote: Fin
      Could it be in Moscow? In the outback was as usual - empty.

      my parents are from the hinterland, and I am the same. But they said that after the war life was even getting better in the outback. and the store had something to take, or rather to buy. (KazSSR Aktobe oblast. Temir)
  15. erased
    erased 11 September 2013 09: 59 New
    +5
    There was a great power and a great leader! And now the country is in ruins and power ... appropriate. What they wanted, they got it. They themselves destroyed everything, and it is necessary to blame themselves.
  16. Nomad
    Nomad 11 September 2013 10: 11 New
    +8
    Quote: Nayhas
    For example, the author reports on the illiteracy of the population, let me say, but if the educational system is destroyed, then in ten years we will get millions of young illiterate people! The author indicates the construction of 1500 industrial enterprises, but for some reason he is silent who built them? Where did thousands of engineers come from? Found by yourself? These are all royal shots.

    In tsarist Russia, education was for the elite, under Soviet rule - for everyone. The engineers who led the local industrialization were not royal, but Western (about 100 thousand people), hired for very good money.
  17. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 11 September 2013 10: 16 New
    11
    An excerpt from Churchill's speech, dated December 21, 1959 (in the year of the 80th anniversary of I.V. Stalin):

    “It was great happiness for Russia that during the years of difficult trials, the country was headed by the genius and unshakable commander Stalin. He was the most outstanding person who impressed our volatile and cruel time of the period in which his whole life passed.

    Stalin was a man of extraordinary energy and inflexible will power, sharp, cruel, merciless in a conversation that even I, brought up here in the British Parliament, could not oppose. Stalin primarily possessed a great sense of humor and sarcasm and the ability to accurately perceive thoughts. This power was so great in Stalin that it seemed unique among the leaders of the states of all times and peoples.

    Stalin made the greatest impression on us. He possessed a deep, devoid of any panic, logically meaningful wisdom. He was an invincible master to find in difficult moments the way out of the most hopeless situation. In addition, Stalin at the most critical moments, as well as during the moments of triumph, was equally restrained and never succumbed to illusions. He was an unusually complex person. He created and subjugated a vast empire. It was a man who destroyed his enemy with his own enemy. Stalin was the greatest, unparalleled dictator in the world, who accepted Russia with a plow and left it with nuclear weapons. Well, history, people don’t forget such people. ”

  18. pensioner
    pensioner 11 September 2013 10: 18 New
    +5
    Stalin will still take his rightful place in our history, as if all sorts of gozman and gerbera would not resist ... It seems that Putin has not heard anything particularly vile about Stalin ...
  19. Norady
    Norady 11 September 2013 10: 40 New
    +2
    Quote: GOGY
    today in Russia, in my opinion, only G. A. Zyuganov meets these requirements, and that is why the entire propaganda machine of Russophobia and anti-Soviet for over two decades has been targeted against the leader of the Communist Party

    I also read with pleasure up to this point. I doubt that the author of such an article does not understand the delusionality of what was said about Zyuganov, I am sure that this lie was written intentionally and is aimed at the fragile minds of new readers.
    1. Vlad 1965
      Vlad 1965 11 September 2013 11: 19 New
      +2
      "that the author of such an article does not understand the delusional nature of what was said about Zyuganov, I am sure that this lie was written intentionally and is aimed at the fledgling minds of new readers."
      THOSE. You want to say that the propaganda of this nonsense regarding Zyuganov and the Communist Party-NO?
      In this case, the author absolutely precisely, without knowing you, asserts this- "today in Russia, in my opinion, only G.A.Zyuganov meets these requirements, and that is why the entire propaganda machine of Russophobes and anti-Sovietists has been working against leader of the Communist Party "
  20. malikszh
    malikszh 11 September 2013 10: 48 New
    12
    whatever they say it is necessary to return the name of Stalin to Volgograd.
  21. an-servas2013
    an-servas2013 11 September 2013 10: 48 New
    +2
    The article by Sergei Golik is called excellent, apparently it is not fairly accurate, it shows the actual state of the post-war years.
    And it is not fair to say that they say only Muscovites lived and ate, enjoyed all the benefits. I remember before Khrushchev’s times, it was hard, but the fact that there was sausage in the shops, red and black caviar, the same crabs is a fact, (Kazakhstan, Karaganda) We lived, of course, poorly, but the goal was to build communism, which illiterate leaders who later became in power for unknown reasons. First Khrushchev N.S. (with his own corn), then a temporary worker (for as long as 19 years, Brezhnev L.I.) as a result, we have what we have. They ruined a great country and now we all live in independent countries. And what is ahead? How many works related to the future were written by the followers of Marx, many works by Lenin, Stalin, who thought about the future, and what Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Yeltsin, Gorbachev left behind are only memoirs about his exploits in the Great Patriotic War, about small land, virgin lands, perestroika, and about the future, only a promise to build communism in 1980
    It’s a pity, it’s a shame, but it’s apparently impossible to fix it. God forbid that every independent country be Georgia, the Baltic states, and all 15 republics of the USSR flourish independently of each other (since this is not possible together, contrary to the will of the people)
    1. maxvik
      maxvik 11 September 2013 10: 54 New
      -1
      Quote: an-servas2013
      which later was ruined by illiterate leaders who, for reasons that were not understood, became in power

      That is all the salt. And they came to power quite naturally in accordance with the theory of Marx. But Stalin himself did not fit into it, but he could not change it already.
  22. sven27
    sven27 11 September 2013 10: 52 New
    +3
    I agree with everything, except for the phrase about Zyuganov.
  23. Ddhal
    Ddhal 11 September 2013 11: 23 New
    +1
    History always has two faces and is subjective.
    The article is pleased that it has long been a rarity - optimism aimed at a positive perception of the future. Thanks to the author.
  24. vadson
    vadson 11 September 2013 11: 24 New
    +2
    with all desire, Zyuganov loses to Putin in foreign policy by a wide margin. I looked like Zyuganov’s speech in the Duma, then there I would give a lady as a prime minister. the theses on the rise of the economy and the presentation to the lady are correct. and Dimon scored water in his mouth and, in a reply, he smeared everything out in no concrete terms; lady and Zyuganov would change places. one damn fucker doesn't
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 11 September 2013 19: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: vadson
      with all desire, Zyuganov loses to Putin in foreign policy by a wide margin.
      belay ???!

      But do you enlighten me - what does Zu have to do with foreign policy?
  25. ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 11 September 2013 11: 31 New
    +5
    The collapse of the USSR and began with the departure of Stalin. Not patriots came to power, but careerists and partocrats. Stalin is the best leader in the history of Russia and the USSR, the achievements of the USSR under Stalin, as if the liberals did not want to, but you will not cross out
  26. Hyppopotut
    Hyppopotut 11 September 2013 11: 33 New
    18
    I will start out of order:
    1) About goods in the outback. I did not grow up in the capital city, but I found plenty in the shops. I remember the lines for bread in Khrushchev’s times ...
    Another thing is that in rural areas trade was cooperative - where the price of food was 15% higher than in the city. This was done in order to stimulate agricultural production ... Well, I'm sorry, but not every farm will bring red caviar and Far Eastern crabs (excuse me, not the crab sticks that we are fed now !!!)
    2) The article is not about “communists in general,” but about Comrade Stalin. By the way, about the collapse of the family: Comrade Lenin condemned some leaders of the European Social Democracy for the theory of "a glass of drunk water", and calls for sexual freedom were more of a cost than an idea of ​​the socialist. revolution. As they say, in a stormy stream, the first to emerge is ... It was Stalin who put the issues of strengthening the family at one of the leading places in domestic politics.
    3) Capitalists helped to build factories for Stalin! That is the greatness of Stalin, that he made our worst enemies sell us factories, technologies; build factories, Zh.D. etc. Before World War II, the USSR used loans taken in Germany at German factories to build rolling mills, machine tools, etc. - i.e. created industrial potential, which, oh, how useful it was during the war ... And why are the current bourgeoisie of the Coca-Cola and McDonald's factories not building anything in our country? It seems that we "got rid" of the communist regime that they hate. Because a strong Russia for the Western bourgeoisie is like a thorn in the eye ...
    4) Did you know that the descent of the cruiser "Aurora" was delayed for a good two years, tk. no steam engines were delivered from France. In Russia, these were not produced !!! And the first ball bearing was already released in the USSR, in 1929, 30 (thirty !!! years later than in the West)!
    5) According to which historians "the tsarist army was rearmed"? Yes, by 1917. Germany, fighting on 2 fronts, with limited resource potential was depleted, and there was no chance to win, but this is not the merit of the tsarist army and the tsarist government ...
    S T R A T E G I H E S K I X victories won the tsarist army for 3 years of war? They were tactical, but even the famous Brussilovsky breakthrough did not lead to anything ...
    So, from which side do not take it - from any comrade Stalin was right and great ...
    And the last one: Imagine that today in Russia the Bolsheviks seized power, with their slogans of nationalization, expropriation, etc. — how many obvious and hidden raids will there be in the country?
    Today, every second official has something to judge both by law and by conscience, but our government is liberalizing. And in Stalin's times, the bureaucratic fraternity was by no means better, and he did not play democracy!
    1. Vlad 1965
      Vlad 1965 11 September 2013 11: 39 New
      +4
      Hyppopotut
      GREAT ANSWER!
    2. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 11 September 2013 11: 51 New
      +3
      Everything is correct +
      1. kazssr
        kazssr 11 September 2013 13: 08 New
        +2
        I agree, everything was done right.
  27. Jack7691
    Jack7691 11 September 2013 11: 47 New
    -1
    Without refuting the fact that the USSR really reached great heights in the formation of science, medicine and education over the specified period, I completely disagree with the calculations about salaries and abundance of products - why is it not said how they lived in the villages and what kind of salaries they had? And if in Eliseevsky there was an abundance of products, then in the outback people did not know about any crabs. And it was not by their income that they were bought.
  28. luxing
    luxing 11 September 2013 11: 54 New
    +4
    An excellent, constructive article, after the war to raise the country to such a level, and here in 20 years they cannot restore at least that potential, the power that were sad
  29. Fuzeler
    Fuzeler 11 September 2013 11: 55 New
    +4
    In everything, EVERYTHING, I agree with the author of the article, except for his statement that Zyuganov can be equal to Stalin. A person who won the 1996 elections and was scared to defend his victory for the sake of his people and country cannot be compared with someone who really did a lot for us, the former Soviet ones, and the current Russians. Yes, you can blame him a lot for the so-called. "repression" and the GULAG. However, what, in the countries of "Enlightened Europe" was somehow different, or in the USA the white Joe walked with his arms around the black soundboard?
  30. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 11 September 2013 11: 59 New
    +3
    Quote: ziqzaq
    Without this, without a true leader, it will be very difficult, almost impossible to defeat the liberoid-homodril-comprador forces ....
    this is true ... you need a leader who would follow the people
    we are all the same mammals, whatever one may say, that is, without the main thing, disorder and reeling ... but we need a leader who will turn off the neck of any of his entourage who has compromised IT before the people! and then people will follow him ...
  31. kostik1301
    kostik1301 11 September 2013 12: 03 New
    +6
    And the day will come when JV Stalin will nevertheless be erected a monument in Moscow ...
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 11 September 2013 14: 12 New
      +2
      In every town.
  32. mak210
    mak210 11 September 2013 12: 45 New
    +3
    We are watching the report of the economist and former adviser to the President of the Russian Federation Andrei Nikolaevich Illarionov, read by him on June 5, 2007 at the Independent Press Center. We are interested in comparing data for 1913 (flourishing economy of the Republic of Ingushetia) and 1950 (Stalin's economy). In fact, the heyday of the Stalinist economy is 1953, but "in the absence of a stamp, we write in simple". Link - http://www.polit.ru/.../12/catastrofa/
    So, we look.
    1. The share of Russia in world GDP. 1913 - 8,4%, 1950 - 9,4%, 1973 - 9,2%, 1991 - 6,7%
    2. GDP per capita in %% of the global. 1913 - 98%, 1950 - 132%, 1973 - 145%, 1991 - 122%
    3. Unfortunately, neither the CIA nor the IMF have data on absolute GDP for the first half of the 20th century, so I took the data from here - http://butina.livejo...com/330051.html (World Economy: Global tendencies for 100 years. M., 2003.):
    1913 GDP per capita: world - 2033 dollars, in RI - 1980 dollars. Total - in a prosperous RI, where "Schubert's waltzes and the crunch of French bread" ordinary people lived poorer than the average in the rest of the world.
    1950. Per capita GDP: global - $ 3022, in the USSR - $ 4608. Total - with the bloody executioner and killer Stalin, ordinary people began to live one and a half times better than the average in the rest of the world.
    What we have in the bottom line: the welfare of the people under Stalin has grown, according to estimates from various sources, from 35 to 50% compared to global.
    The country's increased strength and power are well illustrated by its military victories. In 1905, the Republic of Ingushetia shamefully lost the war of Japan, and in 1918, Germany. But in 1945, Soviet troops captured Berlin, and after 3 months they defeated the Kwantung Army - the USSR utterly defeated Germany and Japan.


    But not everything was so sleek. Education before WWII was paid, both secondary and professional, and higher: about 60 thousand rubles. per year for the current money.

    Yes, some peasants bought tanks and planes with their money, but the bulk lived very modestly, I was born in the 56th year and, of course, I didn’t find the 53rd, but in the Moscow region, where I went every summer, the collective farmers lived in open poverty, and I also remember that my grandmother rented me to her neighbors in lines for bread. I think this is about the 60th year.

    Stalin handed over a country in which one could look to the future with hope. We withstood the war, strain up and become easier. We mean something in the world. And now: now something will fall apart, education has already collapsed, the material base, built under Stalin, is running out of resources, and there is no one else to do, after Syria and Iran they will follow us, and we don’t even have anything to defend ourselves with. I’m retiring soon, but whether I can live on it and whether they will pay it at all is not a fact. Where will children and grandchildren work if businesses close one after another? Chernukha is continuous.
  33. Day 11
    Day 11 11 September 2013 12: 55 New
    +5
    I will repeat myself again. It was the GREAT man! Our mother-earth gives birth to such a once every hundred years! Only by such methods and in no other way can we become the ones we should be! Some statistics (the author brought, I will add). At the end of 40 -kh. So: that there would be something to start from, an ordinary cop got 550 rubles. A skilled worker-1000 rubles. Let's start: Machine (Moskvich-401) -8000 rubles., fo
    teak (FED) -1100r., R / receiver-500r.
    , TV-1500r. (Already then (who is not in the subject) there was a broadcast on 2 channels). Products: bread (rye) -3r., Wheat-
    4,40 r., Sugar-15r., Buckwheat-12r., Plum
    chnoe oil-64 rubles, sunflower-30 rubles, milk (per liter) 3-4 rubles (depending on fat content), eggs (ten, depending on the category) -12-16 rubles Bubble of vodka-60 rubles, a bottle of beer ( "Zhiguli" you are my Zhiguli) -7 rubles. Further (over the years) there was only a decrease in prices.
  34. Alex66
    Alex66 11 September 2013 13: 22 New
    +2
    Stalin was not afraid to deal with the enemies of the USSR, Putin needs to understand and adopt political processes, they are needed without them, the elite "bites the bit" and can drive Russia into the abyss, but perhaps he has obligations and he himself is not without sin, but if he wants a revival Russia cannot do without processes. It is impossible to deal with the enemies of the people differently, even if they are your friends (former), if he does not do it, he will lose control (the elite will have nothing to fear, not why think about the welfare of the people) over the country, its destruction will begin.
    1. Vlad 1965
      Vlad 1965 11 September 2013 14: 17 New
      +6
      Alex66 RU
      Uh-huh, mmnogo those same current "enemies of the people" Putin scandalized there where Makar did not drive calves?
      Chubais, Potanin, Prokhorov, Abramoviyaa, Cherny, Vekselberg, Karimov? Serdyukov and Bandu Bab7
      How much more time, and most importantly for what idea, is he able to do this?
      W. I.V. STALINA, had an IDEA, millions followed him, and now?
      GO TO ATAKUZA BABLO? For whose loot? All of the above, but is it worth it?
      Elite say7 Who is this "elite" included - all those who made fortunes, during the BIG HAPK period, at 90?
      And this quasi-elite, is it really capable of doing something, except for the next HAPKA?
  35. Witch
    Witch 11 September 2013 13: 40 New
    +2
    The article was liked, but it is today in Russia, in my opinion, only G. A. Zyuganov meets these requirements, and that is why the entire propaganda machine of Russophobia and anti-Soviet for more than two decades has been targeted against the leader of the Communist Party - he killed, for which minus .
    Zyuganov was a coward, frightened in the year 96 of responsibility for the country and giving power to Yeltsin, calling him and congratulating him on his victory until the end of the vote count, although he was the leader.
    Grandfather Zu has no charisma; he leaves on old slogans that filled his mouth. The electorate decreases progressively.
    My classmate joined the Communist Party in 97, and in 2000 left for hopelessness, because there was no training program at that time.
    Today, with few exceptions, there are no leaders in the Communist Party who the crowd is ready to follow. True, most large political parties have a problem with this.
    Let's see if the star of the younger Sparrow rises ...
  36. sdv68
    sdv68 11 September 2013 13: 40 New
    +6
    Best of all, the activities of Stalin, as the head of state, is described by the phrase TAKE A COUNTRY WITH SOKHA, AND LEFT WITH ATOMIC WEAPONS. And it doesn’t matter who specifically pronounced this phrase. The fact itself is important.
  37. sdv68
    sdv68 11 September 2013 13: 46 New
    +6

    "Go to the report to the Headquarters, to Stalin, - wrote in his memoirs Zhukov- for example, with maps that had at least some "white spots", it was impossible to tell him approximate, and even more exaggerated, data. Stalin did not tolerate random answers, demanded exhaustive completeness and clarity. "

    Marshal Ustinov: “Possessing the richest, extremely tenacious and capacious memory, Stalin remembered in detail everything that was connected with the discussion, and did not allow any deviations from the essence of the decisions or assessments he had worked out. He knew practically all the leaders of the economy and the armed forces, right down to the directors of factories and division commanders, remembered the most essential data characterizing both them personally and the state of affairs in the areas entrusted to them. He had an analytical mind capable of crystallizing from a huge mass of data, information, facts the most important thing. "

    Marshal Baghramyan: "During the discussion of the commanders' proposals, the Supreme Commander was laconic. He listened more, occasionally asked short, precisely formulated questions. He had an ideal memory for numbers, surnames, names of settlements, apt expressions. Stalin was extremely collected ..."

    And here is how Stalin's military talent described Churchill:

    “I then explained exactly Operation Torch. When I finished my story, Stalin showed a keen interest. Stalin seemed to suddenly appreciate the strategic advantages "Torch". He listed 4 main reasons for "Torch"... Firstly, it will strike Rommel from the rear, secondly, it will intimidate Spain, thirdly, it will cause a struggle between the Germans and the French in France, and fourthly, it will put Italy under direct attack. This remarkable statement made a deep impression on me. It showed that the Russian dictator (let us leave the definition on Churchill's conscience) quickly and completely mastered the problem that had been new to him before. Very few living people would be able to understand the considerations over which we have struggled so persistently for months. He appreciated it all with lightning speed. "


    http://great-stalin.livejournal.com/18027.html
  38. sdv68
    sdv68 11 September 2013 13: 50 New
    +7
    Here are some quotes from famous people about Stalin.









  39. sdv68
    sdv68 11 September 2013 14: 14 New
    10
    I will continue to publish quotes:





















    PS: Quotes taken from here http://pravdoiskatel77.livejournal.com/4825110.html
    1. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 11 September 2013 15: 10 New
      +2
      Thank you Dmitry! Great and impressive selection. soldier
    2. Ivan Ural
      Ivan Ural 11 September 2013 18: 30 New
      +1
      Well, Hitler’s covenants come true
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 11 September 2013 18: 44 New
        +1
        But is it bad? That our state will be strong and will play a key role on the world stage
  40. ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 11 September 2013 14: 20 New
    +7
    in the textbooks it is necessary to reflect the true place in the history of Russia - I. Stalin, undeservedly slandered by the propaganda of Khrushchev and Gorbachev
  41. trenkkvaz
    trenkkvaz 11 September 2013 14: 40 New
    -7
    Hmm, I’m a shizeyu dear editorial. To stoop to such tales.
    Crabs in the banks?
    My mother told me that her older brother tried ordinary bread for the first time at the age of 7. And at first he spat it out of habit. They were starving just in these "happy" post-war Stalinist times described here.
    1. V. Salama
      V. Salama 11 September 2013 14: 52 New
      +3
      Quote: trenkkvaz
      To stoop to such tales.
      Crabs in the banks?
      Mom told me ...
      A strong argument, but maybe another mom told another? And who is right here? Whose subjective opinion is more objective? The problem is that the USSR is a big country, and the time is post-war ... in any business, including ensuring the population, there are priorities and priorities. And you are talking about fairy tales in vain, at the wrong address ...
      1. trenkkvaz
        trenkkvaz 11 September 2013 19: 04 New
        -5
        Provision of population. What a phrase, ah! The population can and should itself provide for itself, especially in peacetime.
        In prisons and prisoners are provided. Well, in principle, that system was not much different from the prison.
        People were put on a hungry rations in the dugouts, and at that expense they created power.
        The DPRK can be proud of exactly the same successes.
        There were still references in this article to the fact that they were able to do something there then, but now they aren’t.
        And now let's put on the same rations as under Stalin.
        I assure you all, Russia in a few years can become the most powerful in the world with this approach.
        To completely ban the import of consumer goods. To prohibit travel abroad. The economy will be enormous.
        How do you like this prospect. That the comrades give up their computers, phones, gadgets, clothes, cars, normal food and much more, for the sake of the power of the motherland, eh?
        1. V. Salama
          V. Salama 13 September 2013 15: 14 New
          0
          Quote: trenkkvaz
          Provision of the population. What a phrase, ah!

          Since the primitive communal system, the progress of society has been determined by the constant deepening of the system of social division of labor. Given the social nature of the produced goods, it makes sense to single out the life support system of the population (providing it with goods and services). Since in emergency situations of various kinds this system is vulnerable and the population is vulnerable to its failures, it is supposed to restore this system not on a market but on a planned basis.
          Quote: trenkkvaz
          The population can and should itself provide for itself, especially in peacetime.
          I didn’t understand the idea, of course the population itself, not the Martians ... Or do you mean the population of a single village, city, district ...? Own army, metallurgical plants, research institutes ...? Self-sufficient, in general, we synthesize rolls ...
          Quote: trenkkvaz
          Well, in principle, that system was not much different from prison.

          What principle are we talking about, articulate.
          Quote: trenkkvaz
          People were put on a hungry rations in the dugouts, and at that expense they created power. And now let's put on the same rations as under Stalin. I assure you all, Russia in a few years can become the most powerful in the world with this approach.
          "Practice is the criterion of truth." Put anyone on a food ration, and I'll see what kind of “power” it turns out. In order to “create power”, hungry rations and fear of power is clearly not enough.
          Quote: trenkkvaz
          That comrades give up their computers, phones, gadgets, clothes, cars, normal food and much more, for the sake of the power of the motherland, eh?
          No, damn it, “we will provide for ourselves”, we are “population” and not “prisoners in prisons”. Something you contradict yourself here. It turns out that now with our “economy of the pipe” and as part of the whole country we are not self-sufficient - we provide 80% of imported food and medicine. And “for the sake of the power of the Motherland” I would personally change my computer to “Electronics-T3-29K” and “much more” to domestic. And you have “all cards are speckled” - first, to ruin your production on the market, in order to speculate with import, then poke it in your nose - “what, comrades, refuse” to import? ”
    2. sdv68
      sdv68 11 September 2013 17: 12 New
      +2
      Quote: trenkkvaz
      My mother told me that her older brother tried ordinary bread for the first time at the age of 7. And at first he spat it out of habit. They were starving just in these "happy" post-war Stalinist times described here.

      Maybe you were beguiled, and your uncle tasted bread with black caviar for the first time? As a child, I also liked her much less than red))) And if you want people to believe your words, then specify where your parents lived then, when your "elder uncle" was born, and in general in what year it was all.

      And because of hunger, then everyone was starving. Only about 7 post-war years (if we are talking about them, of course) did you turn down. My mother told me about the 48th year when bread cards were canceled (by the way, in France they were canceled only in the 52nd) so everything was filled with bread (rolls, gingerbread, ...). And not only bread. They did not fat, because my grandmother worked as an auxiliary (and my grandfather disappeared in the 41st), but they did not die of hunger (despite the fact that the family had 3 young children).
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 11 September 2013 17: 30 New
        +3
        You know, there are a lot of these! Info. The war is not over! Let them wear it, we know who JV Stalin actually was!
    3. Day 11
      Day 11 11 September 2013 17: 41 New
      +2
      Mom is certainly a strong argument!
    4. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 11 September 2013 21: 10 New
      +3
      My mother told me that her older brother tried ordinary bread for the first time at the age of 7. And at first he spat it out of habit. They were starving just in these "happy" post-war Stalinist times described here.

      How old are you, anonymous Russophobe?
      I’m 50, my mother is near 80, and my father is over 80 and for some reason they don’t tell anything like that, like them, i.e. our relatives.
      I do not believe you ... I have the honor.
      hi
  42. JackTheRipper
    JackTheRipper 11 September 2013 14: 50 New
    +4
    In truth, it is said that Stalin accepted the country with a plow and a plow, but left it with nuclear weapons!
  43. repytw
    repytw 11 September 2013 14: 52 New
    +3
    The article is unambiguous +, but this is not all, and the author, having studied the documents, can write even more sensational articles about that time, for example, as it was planned under Stalin, by 1957, to make bread and milk free, etc.
    Stalin I.V. a great man, and first of all a statesman, and only then a communist, therefore his ideas are followed by the capitalists in Japan. In Russia, there are no statesmen of this level as well as an alternative to Putin.
    The last time I start to look towards Rogozin, D.O., the son of an officer, a diplomat, being a representative in NATO, I understood what the West is, now all the military-industrial complex on it. If he does not slow down, then the alternative to Medvedev is unambiguous.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 11 September 2013 19: 37 New
      +2
      Quote: repytw
      The last time I'm starting to look towards Rogozin
      Watch carefully, do not miss anything laughing
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 11 September 2013 19: 43 New
        +2
        Ahty-wow .. (I mean he)! I did not know!
        1. Peaceful military
          Peaceful military 11 September 2013 21: 15 New
          -1
          Ahty-wow .. (I mean he)! I did not know!

          Dear Denis! Do not believe this type, already sent Old from muddy sites, about the collaboration of E. Fedorov with Chubais.
          By the way, E. Fedorov himself publicly and reasonably exposed this lie. Here is the same story. Trolling, in a word. soldier
      2. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 11 September 2013 21: 18 New
        -1
        Watch carefully, do not miss anything

        Yarosvet, You are a troll, what I learned from the lies you broadcast about E. Fedorov.
        hi
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 11 September 2013 22: 10 New
          0
          Quote: Peaceful military
          Yarosvet, You are a troll, what I learned from the lies you broadcast about E. Fedorov.
          Is that so?

          Well - you have the opportunity to prove it - name the number of the bill allegedly introduced by Putin with the aim of "nationalizing" (this is nonsense) of the Central Bank, and answer - which law on PSA was canceled by Putin.

          Until you do this - you, Andrew, will be as yap as Fedorov.
          1. Peaceful military
            Peaceful military 11 September 2013 22: 27 New
            -1
            Until you do this - you, Andrew, will be as yap as Fedorov.

            I do not need to refute your trolling, because the sane and obvious majority of the inhabitants of Russia - the USSR sees this. Troll you ... hi
            PS This does not mean that there are no arguments. THEY ARE and in abundance, but not for your brains ... hi
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 11 September 2013 23: 04 New
              -3
              You, Andrei - banal yap, trying for lack of facts to move out to the market.
    2. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 11 September 2013 19: 54 New
      +3
      I would like to draw attention to two topics that permanently pop up in the comments - the need for a leader of the Stalin level and the opinion of the author of an article about Zyuganov.

      1 The leader does not appear on his own - the leader is made by people following him; in fact, the leader becomes a leader only after they have followed him.
      You can sit on the ass and wait for the leader until the end of the centuries, but you won’t be able to wait for him, because in order for him to appear you need to tear the ass off the couch and go after the person whose rhetoric is close to you — only after that, the one you followed there will be a chance to become a leader.

      2 In my opinion, the author certainly goes too far into Zyu’s account (or maybe he just put it wrongly), but a detailed comparison with Pu will be clearly in Zyuganov’s favor, and the Communist Party’s programs are more consistent with the Constitution and common sense than the programs and actions of the current Government, personified by Putin.

      And Stalin ... Everything has already been said about him.
  44. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 11 September 2013 15: 05 New
    +3
    Once, Stalin said that after his death a lot of garbage will be put on his grave, but the wind of history will dispel him.
    "Truth is a bitter medicine, unpleasant to the taste, but restoring health" - Balzac.
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 11 September 2013 16: 43 New
      -1
      Once Stalin said
      Well, first of all, these are the memories of supposedly Golovanov. Toli Chuyev invented them. And since I should quote STALIN, albeit from someone’s words, I need to do this for sure. There were no words about the grave even in the memoirs of the Marshal
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 11 September 2013 21: 05 New
        -2
        Well, first of all, these are the memories of supposedly Golovanov. Toli Chuyev invented them. And since I should quote STALIN, albeit from someone’s words, I need to do this for sure. There were no words about the grave even in the memoirs of the Marshal

        And what are you trying to say, for example, that A. Fursov is lying, citing this phrase as Stalin’s? I, unlike you, trust him. I have the honor!
        hi
        1. Hleb
          Hleb 12 September 2013 06: 39 New
          -1
          no. I didn’t try to say that Fursov was lying. I would say that. what I wanted — I said, but today I’ll add — all your love and respect for Stalin — is all in vain! you don’t know a damn thing about him and repeat beautiful words in unison of the general opinion.
          Fursov was born in 51st, right? Why should I believe him if the first mention of this phrase came from Marshal Golovanov (although I personally did not hear), who directly obeyed Stalin, without reporting even to Zhukov. who by name could name Stalin and personally met more than once with Stalin, unlike Fursov and Radzinsky
          "After a bit, he suddenly spoke of himself.
          “I know,” he began, “that when I am gone, not one tub of mud will be poured on my head.” - And, walking a bit, he continued: - But I am sure that the wind of history will dispel all this ...
          "
          http://militera.lib.ru/memo/russian/golovanov_ae/index.html
          http://militera.lib.ru/memo/russian/golovanov_ae/28.html
  45. Alexandr73
    Alexandr73 11 September 2013 15: 46 New
    +3
    Quote: mak210
    But not everything was so sleek. Education before WWII was paid, both secondary and professional, and higher: about 60 thousand rubles. per year for the current money.

    Only military schools remained free. This was done specifically so that people went to study at military schools. Stalin was well aware that war could not be avoided and that military professional personnel would be needed.
    If I'm wrong, correct it.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 11 September 2013 15: 54 New
      +1
      You are absolutely right Sasha! Suvorovtsy and Nakhimovtsy are a reserve for the future
  46. Hyppopotut
    Hyppopotut 11 September 2013 18: 32 New
    +2
    Quote: trenkkvaz
    Hmm, I’m a shizeyu dear editorial. To stoop to such tales.
    Crabs in the banks?
    My mother told me that her older brother tried ordinary bread for the first time at the age of 7. And at first he spat it out of habit. They were starving just in these "happy" post-war Stalinist times described here.

    And my dad said that in the pre-war years in their family they bought a can of beer on weekends and drank it with red fish. Dad lived in Voronezh, and his parents worked at an aircraft factory, and were not at all in directorial positions ...
    Yes, there was a famine in the post-war years, at 47, but add to the post-war devastation a terrible misfortune. But our cards were canceled very soon, and in vaunted Britain they were canceled in 1954. So scold the collective farm after that.
    Until the 60s, there was an overabundance of the rural population in the USSR, and limiting the growth of wages was one of the ways to relocate to the city. Yes, rural residents always had subsidiary plots. It’s hard - but they didn’t die of hunger (except for 32-33 years. But then they starved in the cities too), and the products were always fresh.
    But in the UK, which suffered from the hostilities several orders of magnitude - they gave out rotten fish on cards 1954goda
    1. Uzoliv
      Uzoliv 11 September 2013 21: 52 New
      -2
      Quote: Hyppopotut
      And my dad told me that in the pre-war years in their family they bought a can of beer on weekends. Dad lived in Voronezh, and his parents worked at an aircraft factory, and were not at all in directorial positions ...

      That is precisely why my grandfather, after a demobilization (1943-1950), having come to his native collective farm (Ulyanovsk Region) very quickly ran away from there to the city. Living in the city was easier.
      Quote: Hyppopotut
      It’s hard - but not starving from hunger (excluding 32-33gg

      According to the most conservative estimates, about 46 thousand people died from the famine of 47-170.
      Quote: Hyppopotut
      Yes, rural residents always had subsidiary plots.

      Which is taxed with a progressive tax, that is, the higher the yield, the higher the percentage of tax. Plus a separate cattle tax. Plus you need to sign up for a loan (this is of course voluntary, BUT - I think everyone is in the know). (We do not forget about basic taxes and labor duties.) And if a worker in the city received from 800 per month. That on most collective farms this money was not received even for a year. Six rubles per workday, if you are very lucky, basically, God forbid, if you paid the ruble. 336 workdays were completed by men and 274 women a year. This is for 52 years.
      And on the cards. Cards are the distribution of products. But products were also distributed over workdays, the names are different and the essence is the same. And our 52-year-old population is still mainly rural and he was canceled in the city by a drum or not, this does not concern him. And our workdays were canceled in 1966.
      1. Egoza
        12 September 2013 16: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: Uzoliv
        Six rubles for a workday, if you’re very lucky,

        Sorry, but a workday is not an 8-9 hour working day at a factory; it is the norm of a certain work that was counted as 1 workday and had to be done. On collective farms, people managed to complete 6-10 "workdays" per day, and it was not yet a deep evening. After that, they went to their own garden. And on the collective farms, industrial goods were issued instead of money for workdays. There is always more responsibility for the economy (including for your own). And mechanization after the war ... devastation was everywhere. It was easier in the city in the sense that "Vasya worked the shift and walk!" hi
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 12 September 2013 16: 39 New
          +1
          The absolute truth is yours! Unfortunately I do not want to bring documents. I'm the same type for a fascist here
  47. Technologist
    Technologist 11 September 2013 19: 34 New
    +5
    It is necessary for Mr. E. Radzinsky to read this article, he will choke on his own bile, wise guy. It’s a pity now at the helm are not like I.V. Stalin.
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 11 September 2013 19: 53 New
      +3
      ......................
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 11 September 2013 19: 56 New
        +3
        Of course, our country has achievements, but all of them are the result of the Soviet research heritage. Scientific personnel, institutes, methods - all this is what remains of the USSR, and what our reformers value so little. All the time they only talk about the fact that we are not moving forward, because we are being hindered by outdated Soviet personnel. Let’s get rid of everything Soviet - here unprecedented progress will begin. True, the progress of our reformers always has a distinct monetary characteristic, which is not surprising - after all, a market economy.
  48. Dmitriy B
    Dmitriy B 11 September 2013 20: 31 New
    -8
    You've probably already heard these words: "Under the communists, life was better ... Under the communists, there was no such disorder ..." It is human nature to romanticize the past and present it in a "pink color." And what is communism? Nobody really knows, unless, of course, remember all the well-known slogans. Even not all Marxists know about its true essence, this is known only to a narrow circle of initiates. Communism preaches atheism. That is, it denies God, and everyone remembers it. , he is theomachist. And who was the first theomachist, everyone also knows.
    The struggle against God was the goal of Lenin's life, in his revenge on God he destroyed the people of Russia who preserved Orthodoxy. Trotsky, put by Lenin at the head of the country's defense, said: "If as a result of the revolution 90% of the Russian people die, but at least 10% will remain alive and go on our way, we will consider that the experience of building communism has justified itself. "
    From 1918 to 1922, the population of Russia decreased by 15,1 million people. All of Russia became a huge concentration camp, mass executions took place every day.
    The mass repressions committed at the direction of Lenin cannot be described in any way. The civil war lasted 4 years and ended with the famine that had been planned. And although the seizure of church property gave the Bolsheviks an amount 100 times the amount of the country's annual budget, people continued to die in grave suffering from hunger. At this time, some accounts were replenished in Swiss banks. Helped in this Bolshevik elite Parvus (Gelfad), who was an intermediary between the Rothschilds and Lenin, transmitting instructions on the sequence of actions and Eform, which had to be carried out in Russia.
    People were dying, and the grain was sent to Germany by Lenin's orders. Leather jackets were bought for gold rubles.
    Often people were not shot, but subjected to long martyrdom, after which they died. Many priests, monks and nuns were brutally tortured by bandits: they were crucified on a cross or on the Royal Doors, boiled in cauldrons with boiling tar, scalped, choked with bishops, " boiling lead and tin, drowned in ice holes ...
    The masses, incited by the Bolsheviks, delightedly mocked the naked people who had already been put to the "wall", gloatingly drove nails into the officers' shoulder straps, and staged "St. Bartholomew's Nights" in the cities.
    1. sdv68
      sdv68 11 September 2013 21: 30 New
      +2
      How many well-known liberal stamps. And, as usual, not a single evidence.
      1. Dmitriy B
        Dmitriy B 11 September 2013 23: 05 New
        -5
        The evidence is in the archives of the FSB and the Presidential Archive. Did you know that General Budyonny is well-known to everyone, put his wife to the Lubyanka. Because she danced at the US Embassy, ​​she was a dancer. And like a real party, he had to do this. As a result, she was imprisoned. After she left, she told me that she was bullied and raped. Because she was afraid for her ass.
        1. smile
          smile 12 September 2013 00: 26 New
          +1
          Dmitriy B
          You’re ridiculous :))) If you follow your logic, once all the evidence on the Lubyanka and in the presidential archive, then, therefore .... you really don’t have it ... well, it really ISN’T there :))) and all your allegations are simply sucked out of ... well, let it be, out of your finger ... :))))) All of your perestroika, unreasonable impudent lies, with the lowest damage, only affects hydrocephalus .... Congratulations! :)))
          If you want your gossip to be exposed, please, justify your fabrications with evidence ... and then you will be smeared ... :))))

          By the way, Budyonny was awarded the military rank of Marshal in 1935.
          The general and admiral ranks in the Red Army were introduced on 07.05.1940/XNUMX/XNUMX by decrees of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR "On the establishment of military ranks of the highest command staff of the Red Army" and "On the establishment of the military ranks of the higher command staff of the Navy." Budyonny simply physically could not be a general. Aren't you funny? :)))) On what garbage can you find your overvalued and overreliable gossip? :))))
          Stirlitz was closer to failure than ever .... :))))
          1. Dmitriy B
            Dmitriy B 12 September 2013 00: 49 New
            -6
            I don’t know where you are sucking and what .. what about smearing, are you going to smear, do you marshal twice ?? Or are you hoping for someone? Read the right literature. Everyone will find out the truth soon, it's too early to talk about it. And fewer emoticons put it, don’t worry :))
            1. smile
              smile 12 September 2013 02: 52 New
              +2
              Dmitriy B
              Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ... Evidence from the Lubyanka cellars, which are still guarded by evil commissars in dusty helmets on a barrel! :))) So that there is something to smear, besides your chatter ... And the statements that "it's too early to talk about this", that you need to read "correct" literature, "soon everyone will know" is generally a song :)))
              Do you have a non-disclosure subscription? :))) For a long time such stupid people did not come across .... If you try to justify exactly what they said, you will really be smeared, and not necessarily by me, by any competent person. but you’re embarrassed ... :))) Well, how can you not knock on you and not put emoticons, you're funny ....
              By the way, in fact, I’m a generalissimo, and I use these virtual epaulets from my inherent sense of modesty ... :))) And I'm not just calm, how mammoth communication with you increases my mood. Thank! :))
              I repeat, proofs on a barrel. :))
          2. Dmitriy B
            Dmitriy B 12 September 2013 01: 37 New
            +1
            Don’t nitpick words, it’s not so important. Yes, you were right, he was marshal, in June 1937.
            1. smile
              smile 12 September 2013 02: 55 New
              +1
              Dmitriy B
              Recognizing your own prolapse is very commendable ... you + ... if you would still be consistent .... :)))
              But such mistakes are just a small detail illustrating the general picture of your awareness of the subject of the dispute.
              1. Dmitriy B
                Dmitriy B 12 September 2013 09: 50 New
                -6
                The whole of 1937 was a busy nightlife. Prosecutors signed
                blank forms in which the NKVD investigators could enter any names.
                The prisons were crowded, there were not enough cameras, but the Boss also solved this problem.
                In all major departments of the NKVD, in July, "troikas" began to work. In them
                included: local leader of the NKVD, local party leader, local
                head of Soviet power or prosecutor.
                "Troikas" had the right to pass the death sentence, regardless of the norms
                court proceedings. The defendant was not present when deciding his fate. AND
                the death conveyor started working: trials of "triplets" took 10 minutes - and the execution. Court
                Yenukidze was one of the longest - 15 minutes - and the highest measure. And the master is all
                spurred on by telegrams: "According to established practice," troikas "
                sentences that are final. Stalin. "He hurried, hurried ... According to the law
                as early as December 1, 1934, the sentence was executed immediately.
                1. smile
                  smile 12 September 2013 13: 25 New
                  +3
                  Dmitriy B
                  A young man, when it is necessary to bring evidence, it is necessary to give evidence, and not the artistic whistle of liars like Svinidze. And if you quote, then please, name the source.
                  You have not given any evidence. So - statistics, numbers, surnames - on a barrel! We assume that you fired a blank shot. :)))
          3. Dmitriy B
            Dmitriy B 12 September 2013 01: 39 New
            -2
            Bury Stirlitz early, the rush is needed when hunting for fleas))
            1. smile
              smile 12 September 2013 03: 01 New
              0
              Dmitriy B
              Of course, I don’t have your experience of CATCHING fleas (I didn’t know that they HUNT them too :))) But I declare responsibly that I am kind, but lazy, therefore I will never bury my victims ... :))) And against Comrade Shtirlitsa I have nothing at all and I can’t have, he’s our everything! :)))
              And where is the proof of your allegations? Did I miss something? :)))
              1. Dmitriy B
                Dmitriy B 12 September 2013 10: 32 New
                -3
                He spared two - Voroshilov and Budyonny. However, Budyonny had big problems: in July 1937, Yezhov told the marshal that his wife, a singer of the Bolshoi Theater, should be arrested. The accusations against her were in the spirit of that crazy time: the marshal’s wife was accused of going to foreign embassies and therefore “there are suspicions that she became a spy.”

                Budyonny knew how to behave. One could try to earn the right to life only ... And the fearless equestrian, the full St. George cavalier, a participant in all wars from the beginning of the century, himself drove his wife to the Lubyanka, from where she was no longer released. And Budyonny was silent - “to hell with them,” as he was silent before, giving his army comrades to be shot ... Only after Stalin’s death did he write a letter to the prosecutor’s office asking for his wife’s rehabilitation, outlining all the absurdity of the case. She will return and tell how she was raped in the camp. Budyonny will declare her stories insane. Edward Rodzinsky.
                1. Day 11
                  Day 11 12 September 2013 10: 49 New
                  +3
                  Edward Rodzinsky, it’s strong! He was present there (with rape)? Who is he of nationality? By the way, no one touched Molotov’s wife (of them) with his finger! This one decided to incriminate against the LEADER!
                  1. Dmitriy B
                    Dmitriy B 12 September 2013 11: 02 New
                    -2
                    Do you have any reason not to believe this?
                    1. Egoza
                      12 September 2013 17: 04 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Dmitriy B
                      Do you have any reason not to believe this?

                      Dmitry! A little higher, you write that the arrested wife of Budyonny was a dancer. Then you write that she was a singer! Doesn’t such a discrepancy in information disturb you? laughing
                  2. Dmitriy B
                    Dmitriy B 12 September 2013 11: 07 New
                    0
                    And here is Molotov?
                  3. Dmitriy B
                    Dmitriy B 12 September 2013 11: 12 New
                    -2
                    You don’t want to hear anything bad about Stalin, it’s only good. He’s your idol, idol. As the children prove on the street that my dad is the best :) There is a flip side to the coin. I don’t argue, perhaps by blaming this, we became a Great Power . But it was possible to do with smaller victims.
                    1. Day 11
                      Day 11 12 September 2013 11: 23 New
                      +3
                      And what do you think, is it possible to build a Great Power with smaller victims NOW?
                    2. Ulan
                      Ulan 12 September 2013 12: 15 New
                      +1
                      We do not want to hear fables and falsifiers of all stripes.
                2. Ulan
                  Ulan 12 September 2013 12: 14 New
                  +4
                  Radzinsky is of course a great authority. He is a writer, publicist and not a historian. And the hunt was to quote this clown artist.
                3. smile
                  smile 12 September 2013 13: 36 New
                  +2
                  Dmitriy B
                  LJZhest! You’d still quote here on Solgatnitsyn, whose poor folly allowed him to talk about 100 million repressed ... :)))
                  I repeat the facts on a barrel, any ... dig deeper at the end of the booklet of your legendary nonsense and submit at least some documents other than quotes from the commercial books of this writer, at the mere mention of which Clio tears locks from his luxurious mane from shame and grabs at your own name parabellum. :)))
                  I repeat, you have not given ANY EVIDENCE. There is nothing to refute. Facts on the barrel! :))) How does this nonsense confirm this fabrication? :)))
                4. Egoza
                  12 September 2013 16: 34 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Dmitriy B
                  For dancing at the U.S. Embassyshe was a dancer

                  Quote: Dmitriy B
                  Yezhov told the marshal that his wife, singer The Bolshoi Theater must be arrested.


                  Dmitriy! Would you really decide - is she a dancer or a singer? Or in different "sources" in different ways? laughing
                  1. smile
                    smile 12 September 2013 17: 23 New
                    +1
                    Egoza
                    Ah yes Fidget! You are smart, I did not notice. :))) The client is confused in the testimony! Soon he will take advantage of Article 51 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation not to testify against himself and his relatives :)))
                    1. smiths xnumx
                      smiths xnumx 12 September 2013 17: 27 New
                      +3
                      Volodya I heard about a similar joke about Budenny:
                      "Budyonny told about himself:

                      “I see things are bad, three marshals were planted, they are about to get to me. I went to the dacha, dug out two“ maxims ”from under the apple tree, dragged them into the attic. I took up defense with one machine gun to the north, the other to the south. Enkeveshniki jumped out of the car, breaking the gates. I bang-tah-tah on them. They hit, crawled away. From the rear they bypassed. I - from another machine gun. They back on their bellies. They began to dig in. I called my father:

                      - Comrade Stalin, they came for me, they want to take!
                      - And you?
                      - I shoot with machine guns.
                      - A lot of rounds?
                      - Ten boxes.
                      - How long will you last?
                      - An hour and a half.
                      - We'll figure it out.

                      Shooting again. An hour and a half later, it rolls up. The enkeves jumped up, waving: cease fire. They picked up the dead and wounded, loaded into a car, drove off. And my phone rang:

                      - Comrade Budyonny, we have figured out everything. A misunderstanding has occurred.
                      - Thank you, comrade Stalin!

                      Well, I took a break, I shot the spent cartridges into a corner. And then the bell rang again:

                      - Comrade Budyonny, where did you get machine guns from at the dacha?
                      - Name weapons, comrade Stalin. Revvoensvet and distinctly awarded me with a saber and gun, and the soldiers of the First Horse presented machine guns.
                      - It is very good when fighters love their commander. But it’s bad when machine guns stand between you and our punitive organs. This is a mess. May we have no barriers anywhere. Hand over your machine guns on receipt.
                      “I obey, Comrade Stalin.”

                      I contacted Kliment Efremovich, went to the arsenal together, passed my "maxims". We go back. Voroshilov is sad, but I smile. He's asking:

                      - What are you happy about, Semyon Mikhailovich? Left without protection.
                      “Ha, I have two cannons in my garden and the shells are buried. Buckshot. Today I'll drag you into the attic ... "

                      This is an anecdote that Budyonny used to tell when Beria and Joseph Vissarionovich were gone. This, of course, is a joke, but something else is known: when going to bed, Semyon Mikhailovich took out a pistol from his holster, drove a cartridge into the barrel and left the weapon on a chair or on a bedside table, no further than an arm's length. I don’t know how at home, but always on trips. He attributed this to a habit left over from the civil war, which, they say, was fraught with all sorts of surprises. "

                      "Privy Councilor to the Leader" Vladimir Uspensky

                      Yours! hi
                      1. Day 11
                        Day 11 12 September 2013 18: 49 New
                        +1
                        Rum, plus you. I will not develop
                      2. smile
                        smile 12 September 2013 21: 49 New
                        +1
                        smiths xnumx
                        Roman, I heard him too :))) it is a pity that this is really a joke. I tried to find something reliable, I could not. I admit that a similar (slightly similar) conversation could have occurred if the security officers of the military commander had delayed the protection of some military leader ... but certainly without firing ... :)))
                5. Egoza
                  12 September 2013 17: 01 New
                  +1
                  Three women of the first horse (Semyon Budyonny)
                  Of course, there were all kinds of rumors and gossip. Some claimed that Budyonny allegedly surrendered his wife to the NKVD - either in revenge for treason, or frightened for his career and life. But Semen Mikhailovich was not afraid to intercede for the heads of the stud farms, when in 1938 the wave of repressions reached them too. I went to defend them directly to Stalin. So it’s hard to believe in the fright of the marshal. If at all I believe.

                  Revenge for treason? It is also unlikely. Could just get a divorce: then it was very easy. But for some reason I did not get divorced. Some people who had close knowledge of Budyonny at that time later said that he was simply killed by the arrest of his wife and the news that she was engaged in espionage and received money and gifts for this. He even cried. In those crazy years, you could probably believe anything. And Semyon Mikhailovich, probably, it was easier to suspect his wife of espionage than adultery.

                  In fact, everything was easier. The second marriage, like the first, was childless. The interests of the spouses diverged more and more. In the end, everyone lived their own lives. And then there was an almost open romance with the tenor Alekseev, to whom Olga Stefanovna herself admitted that she had “strained relations based on jealousy” with her husband.
                  Be that as it may, there is another document written in 1953 after the death of I.V. Stalin. A letter from Budyonny to the Main Military Prosecutor's Office:
                  http://people.passion.ru/velikie-lyudi/zheny-i-lyubovnitsy/tri-zhenshchiny-pervo
                  go-konnika-semen-budennyi.htm
        2. Vlad 1965
          Vlad 1965 12 September 2013 12: 43 New
          0
          Dmitriy B SU
          Evidence in the FSB archives?
          Indeed, there is a lot of evidence that all sentences are passed under the law. There is a lot of evidence that your liberal Judas, that at that time, that now there are anti-state forces on the fact of activity.
          Not for nothing, a certain talker SWANIDZE admitted that opening archives is mortally dangerous for their entire brethren.
          Sonska on the YAKOVLEV's commission on rehabilitation does not stand up to any slightest reasoned criticism, because the consideration of cases of the "illegally repressed" within 1-3 minutes, no jurisdiction, according to the LAW, can not be justified.
    2. Hyppopotut
      Hyppopotut 12 September 2013 08: 36 New
      0
      I don’t even want to comment on such nonsense.
    3. Vlad 1965
      Vlad 1965 12 September 2013 12: 38 New
      +1
      Dmitriy B SU
      Listen guy, you didn’t finish the central vocational school, that you make such a nonsense?
      You want to beat your forehead on the floor, your business, at least break it, but why make a bunch of liberals talk?
      Well, how should one be limited, what is truly stupid, to take all these cliches on faith without bothering to read the mass of available materials that completely break up these false myths?
  49. Savva30
    Savva30 11 September 2013 20: 56 New
    +5
    Salary reduction, increase in the working day, exhaustion
    the proletariat and the destruction of its organizations - such is the goal of a universal alliance
    capitalists.
    ("The class struggle" vol. 1, p. 280.)
    I.V. Stalin
  50. sdv68
    sdv68 11 September 2013 21: 28 New
    +4
    Add another quote. This time the famous dissident Alexander Zinoviev.



    “I have been a staunch anti-Stalinist since I was 17 years old. We even set about preparing an assassination attempt on Stalin. If in 1939 they would condemn me to capital punishment, that would be fair. Now, thinking this whole century, I confirm: Stalin was the greatest person of the XNUMXth century, the greatest political genius. ”

    (...)

    To my shame, I must admit that I paid tribute to such an attitude towards Stalin as to the leader of the country during the years of preparation for the war and during the years of war, when I was an anti-Stalinist and eyewitness to the events of those years. It took many years of study, research and reflection before answering the question “What would you do if you were in the place of Stalin?” I answered myself: I could not have done better than Stalin.