The latest developments to the troops do not reach. The Russian Armed Forces still do not have modern means of communication

The capabilities of the tactical link communications equipment of the Armed Forces of Russia remain at a low level. The latest developments in this field, presented at international and national exhibitions of armaments and military equipment, are not coming into service, but continue to be only demonstrators of high technologies, while communications are delivered to the troops of previous generations that are already morally obsolete and do not meet the requirements of modern network-centric of war.

In particular, during the MAKS-2013 air show in Zhukovsky near Moscow at the stand of the Interstate Development Corporation (MKD), models of the latest developments of the Omsk Production Association Radio Plant named after A. Popov, an integrated transport multifunctional communication equipment (CAS-TM), were presented and integrated transport retransmission hardware communication (CAS-TR), tests of which have recently been successfully completed.

KAS-TR and KAS-TM are the basic elements of a three-dimensional field transport communication network and are capable of replacing up to five units of equipment currently offered by various manufacturers for organizing a field communication system. The CAS work is based on the principles of packet switching of multi-directional digital communication organization. CAS provides fast deployment of self-protected communication lines, the formation of branch channels from tropospheric and wire communication lines, is compatible with all types of network equipment and allows for the organization of video conferencing and rapid transmission of video data.

As explained at the MKR stand, the field three-dimensional transport communications network is a network-centric technology implemented on the basis of CAS using DSAR + active repeaters and unmanned aerial vehicles, which allows to significantly increase mobility and stability of communications during the preparation and conduct of combat operations to change the combat situation.

KAS-TM, for example, is used to build transport networks of various architectures and communication typologies and is intended to work as part of the communication reference nodes of the operational and operational-tactical command and control links. The high tactical and technical characteristics of the CAS-TM were confirmed, in particular, in March of this year during its transfer to Pskov to the place of the display to the Minister of Defense Sergey Shoigu of the latest models of military equipment and weapons. At the same time, the distance in 3400 kilometers was covered along the Omsk-Pskov route, which includes mountain passes and impassable areas.

However, so far these new developments have not entered service with the Russian army, which, by inertia, continues to buy communications equipment of previous generations.

The problem with the tactical link was clearly demonstrated back in 2008, when a number of problems emerged in the course of preparing and conducting an operation to force Georgia to peace that needed to be addressed immediately to significantly increase the combat potential of the ground forces. The then head of the Main Directorate of Combat Training and Service of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, Lieutenant General Vladimir Shamanov, identified three main shortcomings that were identified during the hostilities: poor organization of interaction between the Ground Forces and the Air Force, problems with ensuring stable communications and low resolution of reconnaissance equipment. “It got to the point that in the interests of ensuring action aviation combined-arms units designated their leading edge with smoke, and this is not just an anachronism, but a crime, because by doing so we show the enemy the outline of our front edge, which allows him to aim fire at our troops, ”Shamanov emphasized then.

Five years have passed, and the situation has not changed. The weakness of tactical communications is again demonstrated, but now within the framework of a sudden check of the readiness of the troops of the Eastern and Central Military Districts (VVO and TSO). As the Defense Minister of the Russian Federation, General of the Army Sergei Shoigu, noted during the “debriefing”, the troops once again faced the limited communication capabilities of the tactical link: “They are morally outdated, which led to delays in the transmission of combat information and made it difficult to accomplish the tasks set.” “Since communication is the basis of management, the successful outcome of the battle directly depends on its uninterrupted and high-quality work. Thus, I consider the priority task for the Ministry of Defense to bring the capabilities of the tactical-level communications equipment to the needs of command and control bodies and troops, ”Shoigu set the task.

As commented on the current situation with the absence of the latest tactical communications systems in service of the Russian army, Ivan Polyakov, the general director of the Interstate Development Corporation, the first deputy chairman of the Business Council of the Interstate Commission for Military and Economic Cooperation of the Organization of the Collective Security Treaty, the branch of the military fulfills all of its latest developments, including those developed by the initiative row.

“With regard to the insufficient equipment of our Armed Forces with tactical communications, one of the possible reasons is the low rate of introduction of the latest models of communication technology due to the underestimation by the customer of the potential of high-tech development initiatives, as well as their very poor use and implementation,” Polyakov said. According to him, two years ago, the Omsk Production Enterprise "Radio Plant Named after A. Popov" created the latest integrated hardware communications, which in all its characteristics greatly exceeds the systems that are being purchased by the aircraft today.

“In the transition to serial purchases of such products, the Ministry of Defense could achieve substantial savings with a very serious increase in the efficiency of using new equipment. However, until now, despite the successful completion of the state tests of this latest integrated hardware communications cycle, its serial purchases have not started, ”he stressed.

Thus, if we compare the results of the participation of the Russian armed forces in combat operations of the 2008 and the exercises of the 2013 of the year, the situation with the equipment of military units with tactical-level communications equipment has not only not improved, but continues to deteriorate. And this happens in a situation when the defense complex has created and tested communication facilities that meet the requirements of today's and even tomorrow.

It would seem that all responsible persons are well aware that the combat capability and effectiveness of power units, including the Airborne Forces, is determined primarily by the level of technical equipment and the modernity of the weapons and military equipment used. But then the question naturally arises regarding the persistent reluctance of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation to adopt a new communication technology. What prevents, for example, relevant departments from conducting comparative field tests of purchased telecommunications complexes of previous generations and the latest initiative developments in conditions close to combat ones?

Probably, this question should be addressed not only to the leadership of the Ministry of Defense, but also to the Federal Security Service of Russia, whose task is to ensure the national security of the country. It is quite possible that the metastases of the Serdyuk oblast struck not only the economic structures of the Ministry of Defense in the face of the defrauded Oboronservis, but also those departments whose task is to purchase the latest weapons and military equipment for the needs of the Armed Forces and which continue to purchase tactical communications of previous generations. Or we will wait another five years, when, after the next training exercises on a sudden check of the readiness of the troops, the Minister of Defense will again sum up and report that they are just as disappointing for the means of communication of the tactical link as this year.

Comments

[Denis]

If problems are voiced, then they must be resolved. (Take it and provide the army with communications!)

[domokl]

Quote: Denis

If problems are voiced, then they must be resolved. (Take it and provide the army with communications!)

These problems were voiced back in Afghanistan. Then they were voiced in Chechnya, South Ossetia, and so what? There is a problem, but those who voiced in zinc boxes returned home ...

[sub307]

What can I say - "bad" so far with the connection in the army, it turns out. What are they, in fact, then?

[Airman]

Quote: domokl

Quote: Denis

If problems are voiced, then they must be resolved. (Take it and provide the army with communications!)

These problems were voiced back in Afghanistan. Then they were voiced in Chechnya, South Ossetia, and so what? There is a problem, but those who voiced in zinc boxes returned home ...

I have already written many times that any means of communication in the regiment - battalion - platoon - crew (crew) link must be with the ZAS, otherwise any ultramodern open communication facilities will be easily tapped by the enemy. And probably not in vain without ZAS they do not want to take into service.

[C-600]

That's what a thing. It’s money, but the equipment isn’t.

[Papakiko]

Quote: C-600

That's what a thing. Money is getting

Are you sure that money is coming in, moreover, on time and in full volume?
If that were the case then there would be no November-December "sawing" miracles.

[C-600]

During and in full volume, I am sure. Just not there.

[Ev58]

As a specialist in an aircraft instrument-making enterprise, I am pleased to hear good wishes and statements such as: "Take and provide!" or "Must be decided!" However, as a rule, people who speak in this vein do not fully understand all the stages of hardware development and forget that any design, circuit design and technological solutions are based on the capabilities of the technological and production base (first of all) of our country. The use of imported ERI and materials makes the production, operation and maintenance of the entire life cycle of the equipment inadmissible from foreign manufacturers of components. If we really want high-quality and up-to-date equipment and technology, then we should first of all pay attention to the development of new technologies, the development of the domestic industry, the expansion of the range of approved ERI and materials (certainly), taking into account the needs of the developers of equipment and equipment. The customer sets a task in the form of a technical assignment, and the developer stands at a broken trough and thinks how to implement and ensure the customer's requirements.

[domokl]

Quote: ev58

If you really want high-quality and latest equipment and technology, you should first of all pay attention to the development of new technologies, the development of domestic industry, the expansion of the range of permitted EIS and materials (without fail), taking into account the needs of developers of equipment and equipment

Every sandpiper has its own swamp. And as a user with this very connection, I would gladly fill the face of designers and developers. There are not enough brains to create something, copy Western, Japanese. There are not so many radio stations for the tactical link. I do not ask to provide each soldier with a transceiver , give at least a similar western connection in the link of the platoon-company-battalion commander.
The global nature of your request is understandable .. All at once and then we ... wow ... But what should the fighters do? Again, take the captured radio stations?

[2vladim2]

Of course, you are an expert. And you say everything correctly. And I am a deletant in this matter. But I wonder why we have such a connection? Even during the Second World War, there was a connection. Notable, but it was. And now that kind of money is being allocated. So the truth is, most likely, there are not enough brains or they are stealing again. But it is a pity that no one is engaged in this matter so tightly.

[Pathfinder_II]

You're not right. You were told that there are "a thousand and one" obstacles on the way of the developer of radio electronic equipment: the lack of a modern element base approved for use, the lack of a tool necessary for the work, the need for a long and painful coordination of the slightest changes in the circuit and topology of the boards, low-quality "copied from the best imported samples "microcircuits, constant staff turnover, lack of modern computers and CAD systems, etc.

[shpuntik]

...not fully aware of all stages equipment development and forget that any structural, circuitry and technological solutions are based on the capabilities of the technological and production base (primarily) of our country ..

Dear, it’s like you’re from the government, so smartly arguing ... Be simpler, take the example from the Chinese, disassemble the Japanese radio station and copy. There is no Russian part, put Taiwan. And you talk about a systematic approach that was in the Union. The Union is gone, 22 years have passed.

The customer sets the task, drawn up in the form of TK, and the developer stands on a broken trough and thinks how to implement and ensure customer requirements.

[almost demobil]

Radio station R-140-Forever!

[shpuntik]

almost demobil GB Today, 17:22 ↑
Radio station R-140-Forever! recourse

It's about little ones, like walkie-talkie,

The first walkie-talkie called the Walkie-Talkie was the Motorola SCR-300 army transceiver, worn in a backpack.

Not your balcony?

[almost demobil]

Quote: shpuntik

Not your balcony? smile

And on top of the antennas, they forgot a little bulb ?!

[shpuntik]

almost demobil GB Today, 19:07 ↑ New
And on top of the antennas, they forgot a little bulb ?! wassat

Yes, it’s not mine, from the Internet So not your balcony? Clear. I joked, do not take it seriously.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

yeah ..... seemingly eternal stosorokovka ...

[No_more]

Of course everything is simple, just take it and copy it! Even a tank will not be given a little bit, even just a suitable one, but put a "different" bearing (more precisely, this tank will not be accepted by the Ministry of Defense), and here we are talking about communication means. Only one element base is allowed, and it is necessary to collect from it what, in principle, cannot be collected from it, and the quality is sometimes such that the parties are completely rejected (there are naturally good enterprises, but they do not produce everything).
So you can get to the point that "here's silicon, but the processor - do the same" and assume that this is enough.

[Joker]

Who has more kickbacks, they will take it there, everything is logical, if you want to steal money, then you’ll be building.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

all this is false, we have the most modern means of communication! IPHONS, IPADS, TABLETS ... !!!

[vladsolo56]

Some are outraged about the call to shoot saboteurs from the Moscow Region, but how else can they get them to work? this swamp can only be stirred up by the constant sensation of a sword above your head; we don’t understand otherwise.

[Hort]

I fully support this idea. And not only from the Moscow Region, but also the defense industry from factories too for the failure of orders. Or explore the north to send.
And in principle, 99% of the military-industrial complex should be nationalized and work according to the state plan. And in the form of independent legal entities to leave only export enterprises

[Papakiko]

Quote: hort

but also the defense industry from factories, too, for disrupting orders. Or explore the north to send.

So pack your string bag and go ahead.
The defense industry enterprises are hostages of financing so-and-so!
Ask anyone here related to production.

[the polar]

Quote: vladsolo56

Some are outraged about the call to shoot saboteurs from the Moscow Region, but how else can they get them to work? this swamp can only be stirred up by the constant sensation of a sword above your head; we don’t understand otherwise.

Yes, the FSB guardsmen, having long been covered by a "shield" from the curious, "mow the greens" with a "sword" ... prozapas, for their retirement.

[Mikhail3]

Why, they are actively working! And these are not saboteurs at all. Just manufacturers and developers of new communications do not take into account two critical points. To introduce new equipment, you need to draw up many tons of paper. That's right - tons. Moreover, most of these papers were issued even under Peter the Great, regulating flag semaphores ... well, that is, they, these papers, standards and tolerances, are 40-50 years old.
The very system of signing them involves applying for signatures to people (or rather to positions) who have not existed for a long time. That is, you need to start by changing the standard ... and this in itself is work for 30 years in the standard of the Ministry of Defense. I am sure there have already been dozens of attempts ... Previously, such things were regulated in the first place by overbearing "tyranny" - Brezhnev said, the military did without looking at anything. But the times of damned totalitarianism (read - a short chain of command with the absolute highest priority) are in the past! Now, in order to change the standard, it is necessary to start not with changing the standard, but with the adoption of a law ... In general, in 60 years everything can and will reach today's communications, not earlier.
Secondly, the standards were changed by a big war. But only the really big one, several tens of thousands of people killed, is no reason for some kind of stirring of official asses, you!
Well, the second point. These geeky developers and manufacturers just don't know how to speak correctly. Let them read about the adventures of Khoja Nasreddin instead of their silly specialized textbooks and monographs. Well, who is talking to the Ministry of Defense like that - give me money! You have to say don't "let", you have to say "on." For a bribe ...

[zennon]

then the swamp can only be stirred up by the constant sensation of a sword above your head; we don’t understand otherwise.

I will go and reread Solzhenitsin's In the First Circle.

[domokl]

Any soldier who has gone through at least one hot spot will say that our connection was and is vile (I kind of put it culturally). And it’s not a very narrow-minded person talking about it. And they accept different programs, research institutes work, all kinds of design bureaus. there
It is impossible to conduct high-quality military operations without modern communications. Such a drag is worth our soldiers daily lives.

[NEMO]

Quote: domokl

Any soldier who has gone through at least one hot spot will say that our connection was and is vile (I kind of put it culturally). And it’s not a very narrow-minded person talking about it. And they accept different programs, research institutes work, all kinds of design bureaus. there

Here you are absolutely right, today in the tactical link (platoon, company, battalion), the main means of communication is still the old woman P -159, adopted for service back in the 80s (and in 30 years where did the connection go?), although no one recognizes this, but in reality (today) in the combined arms units there are no other means of communication !!! As an exception, units involved in special operations. operations, but this is only an exception confirming the general pattern
Here she is an old woman, probably familiar to everyone:

[Aleks tv]

Quote: NEMO

old woman P -159, adopted as early as the 80's

Thanks for the 159 snapshot, NEMO.

And we had to use P-105 in 90's as wearables.
And on the armored vehicles as they were, the P-123 and P-173 remained.
No kidding, sad humor ...

Here she is, the real "old lady" R-105m:

[NEMO]

Quote: Aleks tv

And we had to use P-105 in 90's as wearables.
And on the armored vehicles as they were, the P-123 and P-173 remained.
No kidding, sad humor ...

For comparison, an American serviceman with a small-sized walkie-talkie of a detachment-platoon radio network AN / PRC-152 manufactured by Harris

[Legioner_YU]

counted via translit:

Damn sad! Familiar toy - suffered great with him , and in Bosnia, all jihadist coves have Alinko, Yaesu, and Kenwoodi one by one ... KV R143 was a dream or "Crossbow".

PS: Do you guys really still have KSHM 142 or 145 in your Russian troops?

[Legioner_YU]

counted via translit:

Well, you know, sir! Call 159 old woman? My Russian classmates at the academy, who passed one Chechen one, told me that there they used 1 and 105, and 107 or 159 was a dream. At first I thought the guys did not eat in the morning and decided to make fun, but it turned out to be true
Pancake! I was still a cadet when my father added the Soviet VHF R853b1, KV Albatros and VHF Bulgarian p33 for comparison, and also "Severok", and that was the end of the 80s !!! I go nuts ... Where did all this go down to 1 Chechen? Have your ensign dismantled everything into gold crowbars?

[Aleks tv]

Quote: domokl

It is impossible to conduct high-quality military operations without modern communications.

Absolutely, Alexander.

It is necessary to change not only the radio stations themselves, but also the principle of action, when, finally, we will speak encoded?
And when will each fighter have stations?
When will they begin to make the communications system of units lower than the battalion?

Again we will buy Motorola and Aikoma-3 for communication within the unit ...
And again, in words, negotiate with the "dowries" on which waves to communicate directly, bypassing the fucking cloud of intermediaries.
Not forgetting the personal agreements on cooperation in the units of non-municipal organizations.
But nothing else, nothing has changed ...

ps In the Western Group of Forces, exercises were carried out, "jamming" the radio wave of the tank battalion.
The battalion got lost and got lost "in itself" ...
Even then they thought about protecting EW, but now they don’t even remember about it ...

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Aleks tv

It is necessary to change not only the radio stations themselves, but also the principle of action, when, finally, we will speak encoded?
And when will each fighter have stations?
When will they begin to make the communications system of units lower than the battalion?

I’ll add it a bit, otherwise I didn’t have time to add everything at once:
In addition to the new radio stations themselves, a different principle of the communication system is needed, I will explain with an example:

Communication in tank units:
The minimum communication cell is a battalion.
Those. the commander has an additional receiver attached to the standard radio station. Two antennas hang over the board.
With one ear he “listens” to a superior commander, with the other ear he “listens” to his battalion, i.e. all 31 (41) cars stick out on the same wavelength.
Simplex communication. Those. it costs only mud.ku (proudly bearing the post of tank commander), hold down the top key of the TPU tangents and the entire battalion remains without communication ...
And take a word, among the 31 (41) tank commander is always IRONICALLY CONSTANT one Mud.k.
Here it is - a reality.

After switching to the P-173, they try to lower the minimum communication cell to the level of the company (i.e., the company in the two ears has two radio waves constantly), that’s all the modifications ...
There is no qualitative leap into changes in the PRINCIPLES of a communication system.

And the “historian” can only be slap on the tank of the battalion commander (company commander, if he has an additional receiver attached to his radio). But inside the battalion (company), communication is via ordinary radio channels and, accordingly, it is not difficult to listen to them with any cheap Chinese scrambler and understand what task the battalion (company) received.
And the fact that the battalion commander (company) in a smart way (in the light of the modernization of the armed forces) is encrypted by the “historian” does not matter, since he is encrypted on his own, the campaign.

Communication is truly a CORNERAL stone in the sun.
A STABLE and SECRET communication with all units of the Battle Group (and within the Group itself) is the guarantee of Victory.
No matter how pathetic it may sound, but it is SO.

[HAM]

Without a good connection, all "Armats", T-50, etc. nothing! learned nothing! To my great regret !!!!

[Manager]

Quote: HAM

Without a good connection, all "Armats", T-50, etc. nothing! learned nothing! To my great regret !!!!

Exactly! At the beginning of the great Patriotic war, for example, although we had an advantage in the number of tanks, we were badly battered because of the lack of communication! Here is an example for you how important communication is!

[NEMO]

Quote: Manager

Exactly! At the beginning of the great Patriotic war, for example, although we had an advantage in the number of tanks, we were badly battered because of the lack of communication! Here is an example for you how important communication is!

You are absolutely right !!!, the same applies to radio communications in airplanes, and in combined arms units and units, in the initial period of the Second World War.

[alone]

Quote: HAM

They didn’t learn anything! Unfortunately, !!!!

But why? just the same they learned to steal and plunder very well

[Duelist]

Experience gained in battles, paid for by the blood and lives of our guys and not use it criminally! The coordination of the combat arms and units is crucial on the battlefield.

[VAF]

Quote: Duelist

Experience gained in battles, paid for by the blood and lives of our guys and not use it criminally!

He remained an experience in Afghanistan! As they returned to the Union "bezpeka" immediately warned ... how to fly in Afghanistan forget ... only within the KBP and no more.
So KBP is the same ..... for students! I don’t like it ... quit!

Then Chechnya began .... again they began to acquire and accumulate .. then it ended and the same thing!

Then 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX and .... you can read on first ... all one to one!

And if what happens next. it will be generally .. scary, because those who really knew how and gained experience .. everyone is already on a pension or in high positions on the ground, but new ones are not taught this ... everything is only in KBP !!!
Unfortunately!

Well, you for KOMENT +!

[Aleks tv]

Quote: vaf

and .... you can read on first ... all one to one!

Absolutely, Sergey.
We walk in a circle.
In the process, both we are on earth, and you are in heaven (I thought you had better) ...
Nothing changes.

[VAF]

Quote: Aleks tv

We walk in a circle.

Hi Aleksey! We have it in general .. with "this" case ... well, with the 2nd transfer of experience "... a pipe.
First of all, everyone who could ... was "reformed" someone else remained at the MRs in Marinovka, and the Dzhidinskys in Shagol.
Saves the only one Kharchevsky, because. he "passes" everyone through Lipetsk, and Voronezh residents ... mostly research guys, so they can ... but already in the ranks ...
After all, you yourself understand one thing to show. then teach. give yourself a try, but ... then you have to train ... and where ... in the regiment? so if you are not in "power" so your head will be "beaten off once".
And we have very tough breaks ... so the boy ".. rolls down" little by little to the school level!
Just recently there was another article about new young future pilots, as many as 15 passed the GOSy on the Yak-130 (it’s clear that this figure is ridiculous to chickens, for the whole country, and even without a power supply), but for some reason everyone forgot the February news that the group from 25 excellent students started, and so on. but in the end ..15, huh?
That is, the question put to Putin by Kharchevsky on the telemlost that there will be no one to fly soon and there are problems, which the VGK said will figure it out and ..... commercial break.
But Kharchevsky is also not eternal .. well, it’s the same for the 60s ... well, they will throw a 5-k, and then ..... it becomes sad, already terrible!

By the way, there was no report .. how a tank in the Nat fountain redeemed a holiday or how

[Aleks tv]

Quote: vaf

After all, you yourself understand one thing to show. then teach. give yourself a try, but ... then you have to train ... and where ... in the regiment? so if you are not in "power" so your head will be "beaten off once".

Greetings, Sergey.
1. Knowledge - drive.
2. The skill is to build on.
3. Ability - only then is it possible not to be afraid that the "military" will not cripple himself.

4. Mastery is already at the level of intuition.
We are losing experience, guys are leaving ...
Not only do you have things to do, on earth the same, even worse.
Conscripts have 1 service for a year. The question is - why the hell to teach him at all? Yes, the materiel will be more intact ...

Quote: vaf

By the way, there was no report .. how a tank in the Nat fountain redeemed a holiday or how

Do not quite understand...
Personally, I don’t care about the fountain.
It's more usual for me to celebrate the Day of the Tankman, with a "small" barrel:

[fklj]

A hundred years have passed, but the problem is the same. Is it really so hard to solve it ?!

[Suhov]

Quote: fklj

A hundred years have passed, but the problem is the same.

[VAF]

Quote: Sukhov

A hundred years have passed, but the problem is the same.

And I think .... where is the respected comrade Sukhov?

After all, there are so many answers to his yesterday's statements about the "management" of this and that ... and especially naval aviation

And here at once there are so many real specialists and paratroopers and tankers and .. walk in the face ... really not comrade sukhov. Yes, and yesterday he clearly "jumped" to the side - this is supposedly all the GSh and wants to see how I will take the GSh on .. "hit"

Well, how did Comrade Sukhov “hit” SHGSH or not “hit”?

So this is still being discussed the extension of the control of the Tactical link, and you and the General Staff are aiming at the operational-tactical and strategic link where ... in general, a complete f ... is still the main key and HF (with ZAS), who knows what it is forget the "crap", then he will understand.

I would very much like to see an attack pilot leading radio / communication in a "closed" mode on VHF or HF ... well, very much, but this is one of the main "hats" in the "uriamodification" of the Su-25SM

[Pathfinder_II]

class !! I watched the film, read the book (in that order) and realized that the film is much richer than the book on which it was created.

[uav80]

Straight news, surprised ... Take at least a connection, at least armored vehicles, at least small arms, the troops use what has been in warehouses since the time of the king of peas, remember 08.08.08, and all the new items that are at the exhibitions are so for show in front of the bosses to bend ... forces will equip a couple of regiments with freshmen so that they can drive in front of "Chuk" and "Gek" at exercises and parades ... Where "unparalleled" equipment, the vaunted Ka-52, BMPT, BMP-3, BTR-90, Sprut SD and so on ... ????

[fklj]

It's like that. But there were always communication problems. Fucking tradition turns out.

[787nkx]

The main thing is that there would not be a single foreign piece of iron there.
It is no longer a secret; all foreign manufacturers of network equipment are not only sewing network protocols there.

[Pathfinder_II]

Well, you need to return the reverse engineering skills that have been tested over the years, by the way, we must pay tribute to what was in the Union - we could not just stupidly copy, but creatively process and issue solutions better than the original. And then everything we strive to produce immediately in the finished product, and secured on tons of paper and backed by permissive signatures. And when they understand that the idea itself is not entirely true, they bring a bunch of small changes, which also need permissive signatures to mind. Kuuucha time, effort spent in vain.

[Pattor]

Yes, if new equipment arrives, it often costs. do not know how / how to use unfortunately

[Pathfinder_II]

Everyone perfectly understands that in a year nobody can be taught anything and no one has the courage to change the life of conscripts to 2-3 years. You can also introduce periodic short-term military training for those who have served, in order to consolidate the skills in possession of military equipment.

[Alex66]

And where are our nano technologies, why not develop something "like", not all the same lectures. Although everything is clear to Chubais, OUR army does not need high-quality communications.

[Russ69]

Even the article here I see again, here I do not see.
If you read the reports of the press service of the districts. every month they talk about getting new means of communication and learning how to work on it. I will not argue, but it looks like an advertisement for my products.

[Hort]

You understand that reports are one thing, and the actual equipment of troops is another.

[HAM]

Our attitude to communications has remained the same: LOUDER SHOUT-MORE YOU HEAR! It's time to change to normal, change equipment, and there will be less losses. Is it really so difficult to understand at the top? Although they do not serve in "hot" spots.

[bond_es]

just reading "41 years through the eyes of the Germans." as then all the same problems. interaction of combat arms, communications generals ...

[pavlo007]

Oh, flags, kirzachi, footcloths and barley are rolling - the army is not a kindergarten. And do not wash below the waist more often than once a month, but above exclusively with cold water.

[HAM]

Here on the resource they write: "there are no analogues in the world" - it would be better: "there are no analogues in other armies" ....

[AlexP47]

The Red Army is strong, but its connection will ruin!

[Pathfinder_II]

And we are no longer the Red Army - White-Blue-and-Red.)

[Vanaik]

And where did you get high-quality communication if in the time of Serdyukov all schools of communication were reduced, only the academy in St. Petersburg remained, as a result of 5 years we’ll lose the potential of specialists in the field of communication and even in the existing schools they were prepared to work on those samples that are on the complexes of the years so 70 x. But the money laundering machine, called Voentelecom, functions well

[Andrew 447]

Communication is the scourge of our army since the 1st World War. As I recall the R-123 with its lamps .... if God forbid the lamp sat down, all the khan. I remember the jokes of the initial communication about the effectiveness of the regimental communication: "The louder you shout, the further the communication is" and "the most reliable communication is sexual ". Apparently they are still relevant now, which is damn bad.

[Pathfinder_II]

But lamp transceivers are easily diagnosed and repairable, but modern ones cannot be repaired without special equipment. If only in blocks, according to the troubleshooting algorithm, I found a non-working block, completely replaced with a new one from spare parts, the block was sent to the factory.
The smaller the elements, the more difficult it is to solder them, the more they are exposed to static electricity, etc. surprises. The higher the frequency, the more spurious signals, interference, the more complicated the calculations (instead of individual elements with lumped parameters, the whole board works as an element with distributed parameters).

[maestro123]

Five years have passed, and the situation has not changed much. The weakness of tactical communications was again demonstrated, but now as part of a sudden check of the readiness of troops of the Eastern and Central military districts (BBO and CVO).
Again, the conclusion suggests itself: Serdyukov did not do anything good for the army during his tenure as the Defense Ministry of the RF Armed Forces.

[Pathfinder_II]

In this case, I have only one question: why has the planting season not started ?!

[Black Colonel]

Communication is the nerve of the Army! And nerves need to be protected!

[Fl000d]

What kind of connection will there be if in 2014 they release a small set of 2009, and then 2 years to anyone - for the whole country? I can only guess about this, where they will get the experts from ... So, not only the equipment has a problem, it’s just not bad at all,

[Pathfinder_II]

you have to look at something even earlier: where are the radio circles ?! where to get the fanatics of their business, but at least just interested, inquisitive? not even so much where will they go to study, but who will go?

[yanus]

Hmm ... I wonder if anything has changed in the "communication tutorials"? All the same posters on the walls, sergeants teaching spirits, ever-employed officers who have no time for studies? And nobody pays attention to the fact that the conscripts are "a little dumb"? Not product designers, not teaching staff?
Technique in the hands of an Indian - a pile of scrap metal! And you're talking about purchases .... Sadly ...

[Pathfinder_II]

Tomahawk (I'm talking about hatchets, not about SLCMs) is also a technique. The user interface is just so simple that even an Indian can handle it. And besides, the Indian has been addressing them since childhood, so he knows the materiel to the very last screw.) In the limit, military equipment should strive for this taking into account realities.

[crambol]

metastases of the Serdyukovschina were struck not only by the economic structures of the Ministry of Defense in the person of the stolen Oboronservis, but also by those departments whose task is to purchase the latest weapons and military equipment for the needs of the Armed Forces and which persistently continue to procure means of communication tactical link previous generations

And this is already pulling on a betrayal of the motherland with all the consequences!

[cheerful]

Tell me what you want, but not one Serdyukov is guilty of this ... the king also tried, I would even say overdone !!! he is so good with us, and not 37 years old!

[Nitarius]

Quote: ev58

As a specialist in an aircraft instrument-making enterprise, I am pleased to hear good wishes and statements such as: "Take and provide!" or "Must be decided!" However, as a rule, people who speak in this vein do not fully understand all the stages of hardware development and forget that any design, circuit design and technological solutions are based on the capabilities of the technological and production base (first of all) of our country. The use of imported ERI and materials makes the production, operation and maintenance of the entire life cycle of the equipment inadmissible from foreign manufacturers of components. If we really want high-quality and up-to-date equipment and technology, then we should first of all pay attention to the development of new technologies, the development of the domestic industry, the expansion of the range of approved ERI and materials (certainly), taking into account the needs of the developers of equipment and equipment. The customer sets a task in the form of a technical assignment, and the developer stands at a broken trough and thinks how to implement and ensure the customer's requirements.

That is to say the least! We ourselves are doing space. And you have to do with imports.
because Conder and those ceased to produce.
Forgive me for MATS: no one or the spirit is enough to put against the walls and shoot at least one GENERAL FOR BRIBERY.
if you knew what kickbacks would be crazy!

[Pathfinder_II]

You don’t have to shoot, why is it so cruel? .. demote by several orders of magnitude (from major general to lieutenant, for example) and to serve in combat units far from Moscow.

[waisson]

here at the Chinese it’s all turned out looked sadral-done and they have hands and brains are we really worse

[Pathfinder_II]

the Chinese are not very successful, we can do better.)

[nazgul-ishe]

So what do we have after 30 years of democracy? Stalin's P7, the unforgettable Kalash, brought to the mind of the IS3 and some of the so far flying. Probably need all the same and 37years. Otherwise, we will disappear with such helmsmen.

[Nikolay_1995]

They steal on the defensive ...... they’d take them and put them on the battlefield with outdated weapons ... they will immediately understand if they survive.

[Pathfinder_II]

Arrange guilty generals tank biathlon, only with the opposing teams (all-against-all) and live ammunition. With the development of strategies and tactics for using MBT in conditions very close to combat.)))))

[tomket]

STRONG RED ARMY BUT COMMUNICATION WILL KILL IT

[nazgul-ishe]

Quote: Nikolay_1995

They steal on the defensive ...... they’d take them and put them on the battlefield with outdated weapons ... they will immediately understand if they survive.

For that kind of money, they will hire a good guard and they will take a good law under it.

[michajlo]

Good day to all!

The problem of communication is old, sick, and for many decades we have been CRIMINALLY LAGGING IN IT! What can a soldier or an officer say to high generals, officials of general directors and the "Kremlin codla" on the front line, except for swearing and removing the weapon from the safety lock? ! Nothing good, Only in the sight, no bastard comes across! So far ... And in the bloody conflicts in the Caucasus 1995,1999, 2008, every scum has good imported field or satellite radios, and Russian troops - a cookie!
Correctly they say here, until several persons from generals, general directors, ministers are "put up against the wall", nothing will be decided, only the amount of "mastered kickbacks" will constantly increase.
I am not a field signalman, but radio engineering is a well-known area for me. It’s true that in Russia there were no stocks left, capacitors and other discrete parts that went military acceptance. All have been used for two decades
But let's look at the essence of the issue / technical side!
What is "out of the blue" or in a working plant, take establish and establish a capacitor production linein (polar and non-polar), resistors, inductances, of which 50-70% will be able to pass military acceptance and the rest will go for civilian use? Find suppliers of raw materials and further train technicians and engineers?
I am not writing here about diodes, transistors and ICs, there are different technologies and requirements, and "clean rooms" are needed, other lines and raw materials.
In difficult times, it took 2-3 months until you receive a FINISHED and tested product with an "asterisk" on the radio parts !!!
And now in the era of "liberal reformers / saboteurs" This is ALREADY an insurmountable technical PROBLEM for mighty Russia!?
Dear forum users, among you there are engineers / electronic engineers with practical experience. What is all sorts of excuses for the old Instructions and Prescriptions from the 40-50s?
As the saying goes, "the road will be mastered by the one walking"! Well, our lazy, uninitiated managers, or simply entrepreneurs, will find excuses and problems on a "cart with a horse."

For some reason, it seems to me (although I am only a civilian, not a military expert) that I’m standing in the army, and especially IN THE ADVANCED during conflicts, to call and appoint ALL SONS and Sons-in-law of our Ministers, officials and "aligarhof", so right away most of the technical and organizational problems in the Moscow Region, military and military-industrial complex should be resolved within a few weeks !!! Or am I wrong?

[787nkx]

It is possible to expand new large-scale production only under a specific demand stable for the long term. Under the future likely demand, our own research and development is necessary. Unfortunately, nothing has been done in this area since the late 80's, as a result, we have a strong base Conders, diodes, resistors, although with an asterisk, are no longer needed, ready-made programmable assemblies are needed, with a wide range of applications and a high degree of integration, well, price-quality.
New steps in the military-industrial complex to recreate the CDD (O) in the long term should lead to an update in the element base. Today, there are no more than 20 companies in the world who can provide the military commissar of their countries with the necessary electronic elements, unfortunately there are no Russian enterprises in this list. Therefore it remains to buy what you can buy without risk for yourself and develop on this basis the devices requested by the military.

[Pathfinder_II]

I still do not understand such a bias: if it is possible to use a finished imported product such as a computer (which has passed the "test", which often includes imported element base) as part of a complex, why not use an imported element base in your own product? Moreover, most of the products are manufactured for export (such as Libya, Syria, China, etc.). Why is it impossible to work out the work of the product on the export version, and then make a downgrade to the domestic element base permitted for use? Let it turn out bigger, more massive, less economical, but certainly workable, as it has been tested on a "model".))

[Pathfinder_II]

An example from life: "go to the shop, see something the board is not working" .. I look at the board and see that the tracks from the power bus to the microcircuits are not correctly routed, instead of reworking the board, a whole methodology was approved for correcting: here and there the track is cut, instead of a track to the correct pin of the microcircuit, power is supplied from one circuit to another (pieces of 4 or 5 TTL logic) with a conductor (soldered, glued to the board and varnished), not a single conductor between power and ground .. ((I ask "maybe for a start fix an obvious mistake? "-" her .. you what! do you know how many approvals and papers will be needed to correct ?! ".. what bribes and kickbacks are there, often just laziness.

[novobranets]

Quote: michajlo

Well, excuses and problems, our lazy, initiative-free managers

I apologize for being completely off-topic, but I really want to tell you. In the summer, my mother had to sign one certificate in the Social Security, but since her walking is bad, I went. There are about twenty pensioners in the corridor, the heat, stuffiness, the line does not move. From time to time another girl runs out of the necessary office and with an anxious look rushes down the corridor to another office, after a while she returns, answering all the questions of the old people - "Busy, wait." Time passes, the situation is heating up. When the next employee, so to speak, returned from a run, she loosely closed the door behind her. In the gap, I saw that they were DRIVING TEAs there. Not too lazy, went to see where they run all the time, it turned out, a toilet for staff. When I returned, I looked in line for Grandfather stronger, sat down with him and opened his clear eyes, for some dark moments. Grandfather sighed, slammed his jaw like a suitcase, took off his hat with both hands, put it on the next chair and stepped into the office ... I respected my grandfather immediately and unconditionally, such a roar, I did not hear such mats from the army. After a minute, the line moved. So what am I doing. Instead of asking and persuading, maybe MO, you need to punch the table and demand, eh?

[bubla5]

At this stage, apparently at the top, no one needs this connection, except for those who need it, it's not six hundred

[SUSANIN 777]

Meanwhile, Oboronservice, represented by Voentelekom, continues to repair lamp radio stations for the "good" of the Motherland, such as R-123, R-111, R-159, which our fathers and grandfathers still remember well. For example, for the repair of a command and staff vehicle (KShM R-142, R-145) with the above stations, and which, by the way, after 2000, do not have a closed regime (declassified due to uselessness)) - the state pays somewhere about 700 thousand rubles, only for radio stations - without chassis. Although it was quite possible for this money to buy a modern wearable, and not based on the Gaz-66 or outdated BTR-60. And the question is, how long will it be?

[IRBIS]

I have personal experience. A raid in which, three hours later, the battery at the radio station "died". Replaced, a couple of hours later ordered to live long and spare. Almost three days without communication. Then they were wildly lucky - they took rich trophies, including compact foreign radio stations. Everything cost a lot, but impressions - for the rest of your life! So many years have passed since then, and the problem has remained. This problem has been in our army since the Second World War, and all these years someone has been solving, improving, supplying. Where is the result?

[SUSANIN 777]

The second company carried the R-159M (which itself is about 10 kg), with a secret equipment box attached to it, the "historian", if I don't confuse it, which also weighed 5 kg. In addition, we also had to take spare batteries with the same weight . And due to the fact that new ones are not released, the working time is really a few hours.
All this could be replaced by a small pocket "motorola", which only a few had.

[Aleks tv]

Quote: IRBIS

Then he was wildly lucky - they took rich trophies, including compact foreign radio stations. Everything cost little blood, but impressions - for the rest of my life!

Similarly, Alexander ...
We took ... ahem ... then we were the party "Hayk 3."

Like even better Motorall.
Used them inside the unit and ...
as the connection between the tank crew and the infantry.
Here is such crap.

[IRBIS]

Quote: Aleks tv

Used them inside the unit and ...
as the connection between the tank crew and the infantry.
Here is such crap.

Likewise, but I had Motorola and Kenwoods. But the crap started when the chief of communications tried to "confiscate" them from me. For use in more "important" areas.
Reliable and beautiful stations were seized from me before returning to the traffic control and then (according to my information) solemnly presented to the right people involved in hunting.
And we returned to our "suitcases" again ...

[olegff68]

Now, at the moment, the signalmen’s exercises are under way near the city of N. Only yesterday I talked with one of the officers and he complained that, as in the last century, twisting pens twisted around, etc. , while the technology of a newer generation (unfolds at the touch of a button, etc.) in a cellophane, is consumed by corrosion in storage and is not allowed to shoot at it.

[Apollo]

quote-In particular, during the MAKS-2013 air show in Zhukovsky near Moscow at the booth of the Interstate Development Corporation (MKR), the latest designs of the Omsk production association “Radio Plant named after A. Popov” were presented - a complex transport multifunctional hardware communication (CAS- TM) and integrated transport relay hardware (CAS-TR), the tests of which have recently been successfully completed.

[Pathfinder_II]

I don’t know how in this case the equipment is powered up, but one curious case is recalled - we checked some equipment installed in a kung of a similar KAMAZ, the driver was tired, turned off the engine and left .. the end of the working day, it was necessary to drive the car into the workshop .. oops! the battery is completely planted, with the engine turned off, the pneumatic brake system does not work and the wheels are completely locked .. the whole crowd of engineers, technicians, installers and other specialists unsuccessfully tried to put them into the hangar for about 15 minutes.) ... so I’m somehow wary of KAMAZ as carriers of special equipment.)

[SUSANIN 777]

Quote: olegff68

in cellophane, is devoured by corrosion in storage and is not allowed to shoot at it.

Judging by the small deliveries of new digital domestic ones, which half have already been sent for repair, to those (at least roughly with three buttons) - you still need to teach something. And with the new generation that comes to the army, and in the word x .. making three mistakes, you need to train now, and not when the cancer on the mountain whistles.

[nikcris]

Costs of the doctrine of planned war. It is planned that there will be no jeepies. There will be no radio (remember how the "voices" were jammed?). There will remain kondovye wires and multi-colored flags with roketniki.

[Sochi]

At the end of the 70s, the P-404 were armed with 157 zaharas ... tubes. One R-409 came to us, transistor ... More of these have been reported. By the way, from the 60s, the R-404 was already in the national economy, and we took the form on it in secret ... Sometimes I see the R-404 (a very characteristic antenna economy) in the training frames, which leads to a state of shock ...

[Big lexey]

Quote: domokl

Quote: ev58

If you really want high-quality and latest equipment and technology, you should first of all pay attention to the development of new technologies, the development of domestic industry, the expansion of the range of permitted EIS and materials (without fail), taking into account the needs of developers of equipment and equipment

Every sandpiper has its own swamp. And as a user with this very connection, I would gladly fill the face of designers and developers. There are not enough brains to create something, copy Western, Japanese. There are not so many radio stations for the tactical link. I do not ask to provide each soldier with a transceiver , give at least a similar western connection in the link of the platoon-company-battalion commander.
The global nature of your request is understandable .. All at once and then we ... wow ... But what should the fighters do? Again, take the captured radio stations?

Do not find fault with ev58, he raised absolutely correct problems. It is impossible to create ANYTHING without a technological base, so either buy "overseas" ones (and who will sell them to us ?! And if they sell them, what will it be?), Or start rebuilding the Ministry of Electronic Industry.
To be honest, when you "touch" the topic of domestic electronics and the production of element base - you want to cry. And you begin to regret that there is no Stalin in the country with his harsh management methods and the personal responsibility of officials for a specific result.

[Pathfinder_II]

We have more people dying on our roads per year than Stalin froze over all the years of his reign.

[pa_nik]

Quote: michajlo

every rabble has

select / disassemble / copy / launch into production

Quote: michajlo

for mighty Russia!?

I take it out of context somewhat, but I agree with bewilderment, and the question, in my opinion, is out of place.

and for a change - http://vpk-news.ru/articles/16297 layout of forces and means of the Chinese dragon.

[Serg 122]

[i] When I served as an urgent in the 80s, I had to run a little with the P-105M. 14 kg weight without spare batteries, and the communication range is only a few kilometers. Even if you screw additional knees onto the antenna or scatter the "wave" over the trees, you may not be heard 10 kilometers away. I was surprised to learn that these stations are still full in the warehouses. [/ I] [/ i]
Have you forgotten about KShM? Long-suffering R-142 ... and R-140? They still live too! And note "on new base chassis"

[SUSANIN 777]

Quote: nikcris

Costs of the doctrine of a planned war. It is planned that there will be no jeepies.

If ours are not drowned, then it will be, but not for us. Given the fact that there are two frequencies — one civilian, the second for military purposes — the first will either really drown out or make an error of + - 1km.
If I don’t confuse, they already did something similar in Afghanistan.

[Pathfinder_II]

as it seems, in most cases mixed GNSS GPS / GLONASS systems are used.

[ed1968]

all the problems are due to the fact that the close-minded greedy people are responsible for the purchases in our valiant army .. who don’t give a damn about this army because they just make money

[787nkx]

At the moment, there’s nothing to buy. Buying samples or finished products created on imported components is a big risk. There are no own developments, as you can see.

[pogis]

Quote: SUSANIN 777

Quote: nikcris

Costs of the doctrine of a planned war. It is planned that there will be no jeepies.

If ours are not drowned, then it will be, but not for us. Given the fact that there are two frequencies — one civilian, the second for military purposes — the first will either really drown out or make an error of + - 1km.
If I don’t confuse, they already did something similar in Afghanistan.

In Yugoslavia!

[Quiet]

Quote: C-600

That's what a thing. It’s money, but the equipment isn’t.

Salvage is sawn upstairs !!! Specialists are deceived about payments !!! Who wants to work for a pack of cigarettes ???

[pogis]

Quote: ed1968

all the problems are due to the fact that the close-minded greedy people are responsible for the purchases in our valiant army .. who don’t give a damn about this army because they just make money

And in 45-91gg too?

[Raven1972]

Quote from rudolf

The problems of the domestic element base are already starting to annoy openly. Above on the branch, they correctly noticed that there are absolutely no problems setting up the production of simple resistors, capacitors, inductors, etc. It’s not much more difficult to master transistors, diodes, local oscillators, and simple microcircuits.

Rudolph to produce components requires MATERIALS and equipment for the production of these materials, and all the factories that manufactured this equipment were first destroyed in the 90s ... After all, to make the same diode, you must first grow the crystal from which it is made .. .. Not to mention transistors and ICs ....
And if there are no materials, then the factories producing the components themselves are bent ...

[Pathfinder_II]

By the way, microelectronics is not only silicon, but also plastic cases, sealants, and compounds. Petrochemistry is the basis of all this, and you yourself know where we sell raw materials for pennies.

[Pathfinder_II]

Quote from rudolf

what is so complicated about it that the Chinese have filled up the whole world with them

In it, the complex is the price. To compete with them, it is necessary that the state, under any pretext (as with Georgian / Moldovan wine), protect the domestic market from the dominance of a cheap and, by the way, village .. low-quality Chinese "product".

[Siberian]

Quote: Aleks tv

Quote: NEMO

old woman P -159, adopted as early as the 80's

Thanks for the 159 snapshot, NEMO.

And we had to use P-105 in 90's as wearables.
And on the armored vehicles as they were, the P-123 and P-173 remained.
No kidding, sad humor ...

Here she is, the real "old lady" R-105m:

In, in, we were the same. And TA-57 grabbed the device with the coil and flew. And this is in the late 80s and early 90s. And this is where in the PS troops, although this was for communication between some nearby stations. But even so, we even made fun of this junk ourselves.

[igorspb]

In March, they demonstrated, but still do not purchase ..... the author is not in a hurry for the events?
Although you can’t do without a good connection.

[SUSANIN 777]

Quote from rudolf

When he served urgent in the 80s, I had to run a little with the R-105M. 14 kg of weight without spare batteries, and the communication range is only a few km.

Here it is, nanosvyaz

http://news.rambler.ru/13096914/

[Pathfinder_II]

and what ?!) nano is 10 to minus 9th degree. One radio station for 10 ^ 9 miles .. the police are nano-communication.))

[Arabist]

It’s sad, but communication is our traditional weak point.

[Aleks tv]

Quote from rudolf

or “sudden check of combat readiness”, there was no communication.

The louder he shouted, the further he could hear...

The main and well-known principle of military communications...
Just plain old sad humor.
Although he's not funny anymore.

[fklj]

Since WWII

The problems began in the First World War.

[SUSANIN 777]

Quote from rudolf

Military communications are generally a mysterious thing. It seems to be there, but it’s as if it’s not there!

There is a connection, but there is no audibility! Old signalman saying .

[Mercenary]

Can Serdyukov be returned? We will urgently adopt 6th generation inflatable radio stations.

[Sochi]

Have you tried twisting it with your fingers? Something else to do...

[Cpa]

I consider the hardware presented in the article to be far from the tactical level. If it is at the battalion command post, then the video conference will only be up to the regiment. What modern stations at the company and platoon level will it be interfaced with. Such stations are not in service, and the video image is needed from the front line, intelligence. That is, a thing in itself.
Not a single research institute has yet given birth to a comprehensive tactical system.
Why are they not being adopted? Yes, because the adoption of new models using Taiwanese elements is a war crime and stripes will not put their necks under this.
Those scattered samples that are presented at exhibitions, in addition to obviously lagging parameters and incompatibility (there is no new unified communication standard), have an exorbitant cost. One wearable station per soldier costs about half a million with camouflage means). Even now there are no standards for interaction with other branches of the military. The battlefield often uses stations assigned to these species and genera.
Not a single automated control system will operate over slow radio channels with outdated standards at the tactical level. All this miracle automation requires at least 512 kbit/s for transmitting video from the battlefield, positioning, target designation, transmissions

[Cpa]

data on the current situation on the battlefield to the top. First, you need to organize channels with high capacity, then create a network-centric system. First the foundation, then the house. Such communication standards were developed here in 1985. The system was introduced in civil communications in the West. It needs to be finalized on our element base. Developments on it are available in prototypes for scientific conferences. You just need to collect everything in one decision-making head and not expecting cheap gifts from companies and research institutes servicing old equipment.

[shtanko.49]

I ran with 105m, a difficult connection in every sense. I didn’t even think that something like this was used in our time, it’s more effective to shout to each other.

[individual]

I was struck by the information from Vladimir Shamanov that the troops used communication methods of the Tumbu-Yumbu tribe, when bonfires marked the front lines of the troops!!!
Is this wildness of connection not eliminated?
And did any of the “conductors” answer for this?
Or was an ordinary “drummer” put in charge again?

[Kyrgyz]

After reading the article, you may get the feeling that MO offered high-quality secure communication on their elements and they kick, this doesn’t seem like the truth, it’s more like someone brought their development, and they poked their nose into its disadvantages and out of resentment he scribbled this opus

[SHOCK.]

Quote: domokl

Quote: Denis

If problems are voiced, then they must be resolved. (Take it and provide the army with communications!)

These problems were voiced back in Afghanistan. Then they were voiced in Chechnya, South Ossetia, and so what? There is a problem, but those who voiced in zinc boxes returned home ...

These problems were voiced back in 1941, when there was no communication among the pilots at the flight level, the infantry at the battalion level, etc., etc. Then at the beginning of the war, because of communications, they smashed our people into dust, and now what happened, it will be the same. Apparently, history lessons are of no use to our commanders-in-chief if the past is repeated. How many times have I written here and will continue, until there is a specific demand from specific people for specific deeds, there will only be a shock of air. And how much - sugar - don’t tell me how I know it won't taste sweet in your mouth.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

I’m not an expert in communications..We just sat for 2 hours without light..(supposedly an accident) they were shining a child’s flashlight..I was in a rage, and if there’s a war, there’s no light, no water, nothing will happen..There should be a supply of candles and matches..What’s this for me? ..With the current satellites, cellular satellite communication towers (everyone is used to it, however) And if there is a serious conflict, then there will be no satellites and cellular communications, each other’s basic infrastructure will be destroyed..(as far as I know, during nuclear explosions, the microcircuits are damaged by the impulse. .) so communication between troops with the help of smoke bombs, flags and signal flares will never lose relevance... This is the idea that came to me in the dark (without intercom, etc.) there should always be a supply of candles and matches. This is the most reliable thing, and signal flares ..and our Army should be able to read Morse code with flashlights (well, in the Navy, I think everyone knows this sacred thing..)

[Al Asad]

Communications in the troops (he served in the Coastal Troops of the Baltic Fleet) cannot ensure the coordination of a motorized rifle battalion in an exercise with specific tasks and goals. What will happen in a real battle with the troops of a potential enemy is generally scary to think about

[Zomanus]

In short, apparently. We have all the latest equipment in a quantity of 4-5 copies, so that we can easily transport it to exhibitions. And without communication, hello 41st year. Because the first thing the Americans will do is stupidly jam our ancient means of communication.

[Sirs]

It is urgently necessary to solve the problem; if we slow down, we will be deaf, dumb, and blind. And when the troops don’t see or hear, they’re cannon fodder.

[lotar]

In the Russian Federation, they are afraid to take initiative, since it is punishable. And the fact that, both in current conflicts and in future ones, our relatives and friends are dying and will die, few of our officials care about. By and large, those contracts that have already been concluded for the supply of equipment should at least be additionally supplied, since this is money that has already been spent. And those people who made these purchases have already been paid, if not in money, then in apartments and cars and other material and financial assets. And the fact that there is an urgent issue of providing communications between our troops, it is long overdue, but apparently this state of affairs is beneficial for someone, that is where we must look for a solution to the issue.

[Prishtina]

Key phrase in the article 2 machines can replace 5 different manufacturers!
This is largely work for the Investigative Agencies, the Prosecutor's Office, the FSB.... to put it more simply, kickbacks... moreover, most likely at a price that does not correspond to reality.
I consider myself to be almost Hurray for the Patriots but after reading the article, this is the only conclusion that comes to mind.

Py.Sy.. you know how it is with our roads... doing it with a 15-20 year guarantee is not profitable.. because the main loot (stolen) Administrations of cities, provinces, etc.. are buried in pothole repair, and annual rolling of areas in the fall when it rains. If they do it with a guarantee for decades...
1. You won't steal :)
2. You can safely reduce the DRSU armies

[31231]

Ehh, old ladies, 123rd and 105th were with us. Now in civilian life you have to use different ones. For the battalion level there are plenty of small radios with good performance. Even domestic manufacturers have caught up in this component.

[Goldmitro]

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One is struck by some kind of indifference, laxity, and softness! And this is in the army, where the basis is discipline and shortcomings once identified by the leadership, it would seem, should be eliminated as soon as possible, because otherwise it will ultimately result in unjustified human losses, zinc coffins! For so many YEARS, from operations in Chechnya to the war in South Ossetia and a number of recent large-scale exercises of the Armed Forces, deficiencies in communications technology in the Armed Forces have been noted year after year!!! And damn it! And this despite the fact that today there is already, as it turns out, tested new equipment with much better characteristics, but which for some reason the Moscow Region stubbornly does not want to purchase! But there are specific people behind this reluctance in the Moscow Region! Maybe it’s time, instead of these general regular statements and complaints, to figure out WHO and WHY in the Ministry of Defense (Last name, position) or what other department continues to supply the army with OLD MATERIALS, refusing to purchase new equipment, and maybe the new Minister of Defense will finally have enough authority , REMOVE this obstacle to equipping the aircraft with modern domestic communications equipment, and not only communications!