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The latest developments to the troops do not reach. The Russian Armed Forces still do not have modern means of communication

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The capabilities of the tactical link communications equipment of the Armed Forces of Russia remain at a low level. The latest developments in this field, presented at international and national exhibitions of armaments and military equipment, are not coming into service, but continue to be only demonstrators of high technologies, while communications are delivered to the troops of previous generations that are already morally obsolete and do not meet the requirements of modern network-centric of war.


In particular, during the MAKS-2013 air show in Zhukovsky near Moscow at the stand of the Interstate Development Corporation (MKD), models of the latest developments of the Omsk Production Association Radio Plant named after A. Popov, an integrated transport multifunctional communication equipment (CAS-TM), were presented and integrated transport retransmission hardware communication (CAS-TR), tests of which have recently been successfully completed.

KAS-TR and KAS-TM are the basic elements of a three-dimensional field transport communication network and are capable of replacing up to five units of equipment currently offered by various manufacturers for organizing a field communication system. The CAS work is based on the principles of packet switching of multi-directional digital communication organization. CAS provides fast deployment of self-protected communication lines, the formation of branch channels from tropospheric and wire communication lines, is compatible with all types of network equipment and allows for the organization of video conferencing and rapid transmission of video data.

As explained at the MKR stand, the field three-dimensional transport communications network is a network-centric technology implemented on the basis of CAS using DSAR + active repeaters and unmanned aerial vehicles, which allows to significantly increase mobility and stability of communications during the preparation and conduct of combat operations to change the combat situation.

KAS-TM, for example, is used to build transport networks of various architectures and communication typologies and is intended to work as part of the communication reference nodes of the operational and operational-tactical command and control links. The high tactical and technical characteristics of the CAS-TM were confirmed, in particular, in March of this year during its transfer to Pskov to the place of the display to the Minister of Defense Sergey Shoigu of the latest models of military equipment and weapons. At the same time, the distance in 3400 kilometers was covered along the Omsk-Pskov route, which includes mountain passes and impassable areas.

The latest developments to the troops do not reach. The Russian Armed Forces still do not have modern means of communication

However, so far these new developments have not entered service with the Russian army, which, by inertia, continues to buy communications equipment of previous generations.

The problem with the tactical link was clearly demonstrated back in 2008, when a number of problems emerged in the course of preparing and conducting an operation to force Georgia to peace that needed to be addressed immediately to significantly increase the combat potential of the ground forces. The then head of the Main Directorate of Combat Training and Service of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, Lieutenant General Vladimir Shamanov, identified three main shortcomings that were identified during the hostilities: poor organization of interaction between the Ground Forces and the Air Force, problems with ensuring stable communications and low resolution of reconnaissance equipment. “It got to the point that in the interests of ensuring action aviation combined-arms units designated their leading edge with smoke, and this is not just an anachronism, but a crime, because by doing so we show the enemy the outline of our front edge, which allows him to aim fire at our troops, ”Shamanov emphasized then.

Five years have passed, and the situation has not changed. The weakness of tactical communications is again demonstrated, but now within the framework of a sudden check of the readiness of the troops of the Eastern and Central Military Districts (VVO and TSO). As the Defense Minister of the Russian Federation, General of the Army Sergei Shoigu, noted during the “debriefing”, the troops once again faced the limited communication capabilities of the tactical link: “They are morally outdated, which led to delays in the transmission of combat information and made it difficult to accomplish the tasks set.” “Since communication is the basis of management, the successful outcome of the battle directly depends on its uninterrupted and high-quality work. Thus, I consider the priority task for the Ministry of Defense to bring the capabilities of the tactical-level communications equipment to the needs of command and control bodies and troops, ”Shoigu set the task.

As commented on the current situation with the absence of the latest tactical communications systems in service of the Russian army, Ivan Polyakov, the general director of the Interstate Development Corporation, the first deputy chairman of the Business Council of the Interstate Commission for Military and Economic Cooperation of the Organization of the Collective Security Treaty, the branch of the military fulfills all of its latest developments, including those developed by the initiative row.

“With regard to the insufficient equipment of our Armed Forces with tactical communications, one of the possible reasons is the low rate of introduction of the latest models of communication technology due to the underestimation by the customer of the potential of high-tech development initiatives, as well as their very poor use and implementation,” Polyakov said. According to him, two years ago, the Omsk Production Enterprise "Radio Plant Named after A. Popov" created the latest integrated hardware communications, which in all its characteristics greatly exceeds the systems that are being purchased by the aircraft today.

“In the transition to serial purchases of such products, the Ministry of Defense could achieve substantial savings with a very serious increase in the efficiency of using new equipment. However, until now, despite the successful completion of the state tests of this latest integrated hardware communications cycle, its serial purchases have not started, ”he stressed.

Thus, if we compare the results of the participation of the Russian armed forces in combat operations of the 2008 and the exercises of the 2013 of the year, the situation with the equipment of military units with tactical-level communications equipment has not only not improved, but continues to deteriorate. And this happens in a situation when the defense complex has created and tested communication facilities that meet the requirements of today's and even tomorrow.

It would seem that all responsible persons are well aware that the combat capability and effectiveness of power units, including the Airborne Forces, is determined primarily by the level of technical equipment and the modernity of the weapons and military equipment used. But then the question naturally arises regarding the persistent reluctance of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation to adopt a new communication technology. What prevents, for example, relevant departments from conducting comparative field tests of purchased telecommunications complexes of previous generations and the latest initiative developments in conditions close to combat ones?

Probably, this question should be addressed not only to the leadership of the Ministry of Defense, but also to the Federal Security Service of Russia, whose task is to ensure the national security of the country. It is quite possible that the metastases of the Serdyuk oblast struck not only the economic structures of the Ministry of Defense in the face of the defrauded Oboronservis, but also those departments whose task is to purchase the latest weapons and military equipment for the needs of the Armed Forces and which continue to purchase tactical communications of previous generations. Or we will wait another five years, when, after the next training exercises on a sudden check of the readiness of the troops, the Minister of Defense will again sum up and report that they are just as disappointing for the means of communication of the tactical link as this year.
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  1. Denis
    Denis 10 September 2013 10: 29 New
    +2
    If problems are voiced, then they must be resolved. (Take it and provide the army with communications!)
    1. domokl
      domokl 10 September 2013 10: 34 New
      35
      Quote: Denis
      If problems are voiced, then they must be resolved. (Take it and provide the army with communications!)

      These problems were voiced back in Afghanistan. Then they were voiced in Chechnya, South Ossetia, and so what? There is a problem, but those who voiced in zinc boxes returned home ...
      1. sub307
        sub307 10 September 2013 13: 25 New
        +2
        What can I say - it’s "awkward" so far with communications in the army, it turns out. What are they really like that?
      2. Airman
        Airman 10 September 2013 19: 21 New
        +5
        Quote: domokl
        Quote: Denis
        If problems are voiced, then they must be resolved. (Take it and provide the army with communications!)

        These problems were voiced back in Afghanistan. Then they were voiced in Chechnya, South Ossetia, and so what? There is a problem, but those who voiced in zinc boxes returned home ...

        I have already written many times that any means of communication in the regiment - battalion - platoon - crew (crew) link must be with the ZAS, otherwise any ultramodern open communication facilities will be easily tapped by the enemy. And probably not in vain without ZAS they do not want to take into service.
    2. C-600
      C-600 10 September 2013 10: 48 New
      +4
      That's what a thing. It’s money, but the equipment isn’t.
      1. Papakiko
        Papakiko 10 September 2013 11: 42 New
        +4
        Quote: C-600
        That's what a thing. Money is getting

        Are you sure that money is coming in, moreover, on time and in full volume?
        If this were to happen, there would be no November-December "sawing" miracles.
        1. C-600
          C-600 10 September 2013 12: 22 New
          +2
          During and in full volume, I am sure. Just not there.
    3. Ev58
      Ev58 10 September 2013 11: 47 New
      24
      As a specialist in an aircraft instrument-building enterprise, I am pleased to hear good wishes and statements such as: "Take and secure!" or "Must be decided!" However, as a rule, people who speak in this vein do not fully understand all the stages of equipment development and forget that any constructive, circuitry and technological solutions are based on the capabilities of the technological and production base (primarily) of our country. The use of imported ERI and materials makes production, operation, and ensuring the entire life cycle of equipment from foreign manufacturers of components unacceptable. If you really want high-quality and latest equipment and technology, you should first of all pay attention to the development of new technologies, the development of domestic industry, the expansion of the range of permitted EIS and materials (without fail), taking into account the needs of developers of equipment and equipment. The customer sets the task, drawn up in the form of TK, and the developer stands on a broken trough and thinks how to implement and ensure customer requirements.
      1. domokl
        domokl 10 September 2013 12: 17 New
        +8
        Quote: ev58
        If you really want high-quality and latest equipment and technology, you should first of all pay attention to the development of new technologies, the development of domestic industry, the expansion of the range of permitted EIS and materials (without fail), taking into account the needs of developers of equipment and equipment

        Every sandpiper has its own swamp. And as a user with this very connection, I would gladly fill the face of designers and developers. There are not enough brains to create something, copy Western, Japanese. There are not so many radio stations for the tactical link. I do not ask to provide each soldier with a transceiver , give at least a similar western connection in the link of the platoon-company-battalion commander.
        The global nature of your request is understandable .. All at once and then we ... wow ... But what should the fighters do? Again, take the captured radio stations?
        1. 2vladim2
          2vladim2 10 September 2013 20: 39 New
          +2
          Of course, you are an expert. And you say everything correctly. And I am a deletant in this matter. But I wonder why we have such a connection? Even during the Second World War, there was a connection. Notable, but it was. And now that kind of money is being allocated. So the truth is, most likely, there are not enough brains or they are stealing again. But it is a pity that no one is engaged in this matter so tightly.
        2. Pathfinder_II
          Pathfinder_II 12 September 2013 16: 41 New
          0
          You're not right. You were told that there is a "one and one" obstacle in the way of the developer of electronic equipment: the lack of a modern electronic base that is allowed for use, the lack of the necessary tool, the need for a long and painful coordination of the slightest changes in the circuit and topology of boards, poor-quality "copied from the best imported samples "microcircuits, constant staff turnover, lack of modern computers and CAD systems, etc.
      2. shpuntik
        shpuntik 10 September 2013 14: 17 New
        +3
        ...not fully aware of all stages equipment development and forget that any structural, circuitry and technological solutions are based on the capabilities of the technological and production base (primarily) of our country ..

        Dear, it’s like you’re from the government, so smartly arguing ... Be simpler, take the example from the Chinese, disassemble the Japanese radio station and copy. There is no Russian part, put Taiwan. And you talk about a systematic approach that was in the Union. The Union is gone, 22 years have passed. hi
        The customer sets the task, drawn up in the form of TK, and the developer stands on a broken trough and thinks how to implement and ensure customer requirements.
        1. almost demobil
          almost demobil 10 September 2013 17: 22 New
          +3
          Radio station R-140-Forever! recourse
          1. shpuntik
            shpuntik 10 September 2013 17: 37 New
            +4
            almost demobil GB Today, 17:22 ↑
            Radio station R-140-Forever! recourse

            It's about little ones, like walkie-talkie,
            The first walkie-talkie called the Walkie-Talkie was the Motorola SCR-300 army transceiver, worn in a backpack.

            Not your balcony? smile
            1. almost demobil
              almost demobil 10 September 2013 19: 07 New
              +1
              Quote: shpuntik
              Not your balcony? smile

              And on top of the antennas, they forgot a little bulb ?! wassat
              1. shpuntik
                shpuntik 10 September 2013 20: 34 New
                +1
                almost demobil GB Today, 19:07 ↑ New
                And on top of the antennas, they forgot a little bulb ?! wassat

                Yes, it’s not mine, from the Internet laughing So not your balcony? fellow Clear. I joked, do not take it seriously. hi
          2. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 11 September 2013 06: 29 New
            +2
            yeah ..... seemingly eternal stosorokovka ... sad
        2. No_more
          No_more 10 September 2013 23: 31 New
          -1
          Of course, everything is simple, took and copied! They won’t even give the tank a little bit, even simply suitable, but put a “different” bearing (more precisely, this tank will not accept the ministry of defense), but here we are talking about communication means. The elemental base is allowed alone, but it is necessary to assemble from it that in principle it is impossible to assemble from it, and sometimes the quality is such that the parties are completely rejected (there are naturally good enterprises, but they do not produce everything).
          So you can get to the point that “here you have silicon, but the processor - do the same” and assume that this is enough.
    4. Joker
      Joker 10 September 2013 21: 12 New
      0
      Who has more kickbacks, they will take it there, everything is logical, if you want to steal money, then you’ll be building.
    5. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 11 September 2013 06: 25 New
      +3
      all this is false, we have the most modern means of communication! IPHONS, IPADS, TABLETS ... !!! laughing
  2. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 10 September 2013 10: 32 New
    23
    Some are outraged about the call to shoot saboteurs from the Moscow Region, but how else can they get them to work? this swamp can only be stirred up by the constant sensation of a sword above your head; we don’t understand otherwise.
    1. Hort
      Hort 10 September 2013 10: 57 New
      +1
      I fully support this idea. And not only from the Moscow Region, but also the defense industry from factories too for the failure of orders. Or explore the north to send.
      And in principle, 99% of the military-industrial complex should be nationalized and work according to the state plan. And in the form of independent legal entities to leave only export enterprises
      1. Papakiko
        Papakiko 10 September 2013 11: 45 New
        +2
        Quote: hort
        but also the defense industry from factories, too, for disrupting orders. Or explore the north to send.

        So pack your string bag and go ahead.
        The defense industry enterprises are hostages of financing so-and-so!
        Ask anyone here related to production.
    2. the polar
      the polar 10 September 2013 11: 26 New
      +3
      Quote: vladsolo56
      Some are outraged about the call to shoot saboteurs from the Moscow Region, but how else can they get them to work? this swamp can only be stirred up by the constant sensation of a sword above your head; we don’t understand otherwise.

      Yes, the FSB guardsmen had long been hiding behind the curious with a “shield”, they were “mowing the greens” with a “sword” ... well, for their retirement.
    3. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 10 September 2013 11: 32 New
      +7
      Why, they are actively working! And these are not saboteurs at all. Just manufacturers and developers of new communications do not take into account two critical points. To introduce new equipment, you need to draw up many tons of paper. That's right - tons. Moreover, most of these papers were issued even under Peter the Great, regulating flag semaphores ... well, that is, they, these papers, standards and tolerances, are 40-50 years old.
      The very system of signing them involves applying for signatures to people (or rather, to posts) who have not existed for a long time. That is, you need to start by changing the standard ... and this in itself is the work of 30 for years in the standard of work of the Ministry of Defense. I’m sure there have already been dozens of attempts ... Previously, such things were regulated in the first by bossy "tyranny" - Brezhnev said the military did it without looking at anything. But the days of damned totalitarianism (read - a short command chain with an absolute top priority) are in the past! Now, to change the standard, you need to start not with changing the standard, but with the adoption of the law ... In general, through 60, everything can and will reach today's means of communication, not earlier.
      Secondly, the standards were changed by a big war. But only the really big one, several tens of thousands of people killed, is no reason for some kind of stirring of official asses, you!
      Well, the second point. These turned developers and manufacturers do not know how to speak properly simply. Let them read about the adventures of Khoja Nasreddin, instead of their stupid specialized textbooks and monographs. Well, who is talking to the Ministry of Defense like that - give me money! It’s necessary to say “don’t”; it is necessary to say “on”. To a bribe ...
    4. zennon
      zennon 10 September 2013 18: 15 New
      +1
      then the swamp can only be stirred up by the constant sensation of a sword above your head; we don’t understand otherwise.

      I’ll go re-read Solzhenitsin’s First Circle. laughing
  3. domokl
    domokl 10 September 2013 10: 32 New
    29
    Any soldier who has gone through at least one hot spot will say that our connection was and is vile (I kind of put it culturally). And it’s not a very narrow-minded person talking about it. And they accept different programs, research institutes work, all kinds of design bureaus. there
    It is impossible to conduct high-quality military operations without modern communications. Such a drag is worth our soldiers daily lives.
    1. NEMO
      NEMO 10 September 2013 13: 19 New
      +9
      Quote: domokl
      Any soldier who has gone through at least one hot spot will say that our connection was and is vile (I kind of put it culturally). And it’s not a very narrow-minded person talking about it. And they accept different programs, research institutes work, all kinds of design bureaus. there

      Here you are absolutely right, today in the tactical link (platoon, company, battalion), the main means of communication is still the old woman P -159, adopted for service back in the 80s (and in 30 years where did the connection go?), although no one recognizes this, but in reality (today) in the combined arms units there are no other means of communication !!! As an exception, units involved in special operations. operations, but this is only an exception confirming the general pattern soldier
      Here she is an old woman, probably familiar to everyone:
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 10 September 2013 13: 53 New
        +7
        Quote: NEMO
        old woman P -159, adopted as early as the 80's

        Thanks for the 159 snapshot, NEMO.

        And we had to use P-105 in 90's as wearables.
        And on the armored vehicles as they were, the P-123 and P-173 remained.
        No kidding, sad humor ...

        Here she is, the real "old woman" P-105m:
        1. NEMO
          NEMO 10 September 2013 14: 23 New
          +2
          Quote: Aleks tv
          And we had to use P-105 in 90's as wearables.
          And on the armored vehicles as they were, the P-123 and P-173 remained.
          No kidding, sad humor ...

          For comparison, an American serviceman with a small-sized walkie-talkie of a detachment-platoon radio network AN / PRC-152 manufactured by Harris
        2. Legioner_YU
          Legioner_YU 10 September 2013 23: 36 New
          0
          counted via translit:

          Damn sad! sad Familiar toy - suffered great with him no , and in Bosnia, all jihadist coves have Alinko, Yaesu, and Kenwoodi one by one am . KV P143 was a dream or "Crossbow".

          PS: Do you guys really still have KSHM 142 or 145 in your Russian troops?
      2. Legioner_YU
        Legioner_YU 10 September 2013 23: 30 New
        +1
        counted via translit:

        Well, you know, sir! wink Call 159 old woman? winked My Russian classmates at the academy, who passed one Chechen one, told me that there they used 1 and 105, and 107 or 159 was a dream. At first I thought the guys did not eat in the morning and decided to make fun, but it turned out to be true am
        Pancake! I was still a cadet when my father added the Soviet VHF R853b1, HF Albatros and VHF Bulgarian p33 for comparison, also Severok, otherwise it was the end of the 80s !!! I goof ... Where did all this go before the Chechen one? Do you have all the golden pieces for scrap?
    2. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 10 September 2013 13: 49 New
      +6
      Quote: domokl
      It is impossible to conduct high-quality military operations without modern communications.

      Absolutely, Alexander.

      It is necessary to change not only the radio stations themselves, but also the principle of action, when, finally, we will speak encoded?
      And when will each fighter have stations?
      When will they begin to make the communications system of units lower than the battalion?

      Again we will buy Motorola and Aikoma-3 for communication within the unit ...
      And again, verbally, agree with the “dowry” on which waves to communicate directly, bypassing the damned cloud of intermediaries.
      Not forgetting the personal agreements on cooperation in the units of non-municipal organizations.
      But nothing else, nothing has changed ...

      ps In the PGW conducted exercises, "scoring" the radio wave of the tank battalion.
      The battalion was lost and lost "in itself" ...
      Even then they thought about protecting EW, but now they don’t even remember about it ...
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 10 September 2013 16: 04 New
        +4
        Quote: Aleks tv
        It is necessary to change not only the radio stations themselves, but also the principle of action, when, finally, we will speak encoded?
        And when will each fighter have stations?
        When will they begin to make the communications system of units lower than the battalion?


        I’ll add it a bit, otherwise I didn’t have time to add everything at once:
        In addition to the new radio stations themselves, a different principle of the communication system is needed, I will explain with an example:

        Communication in tank units:
        The minimum communication cell is a battalion.
        Those. the commander has an additional receiver attached to the standard radio station. Two antennas hang over the board.
        With one ear he “listens” to a superior commander, with the other ear he “listens” to his battalion, i.e. all 31 (41) cars stick out on the same wavelength.
        Simplex communication. Those. it costs only mud.ku (proudly bearing the post of tank commander), hold down the top key of the TPU tangents and the entire battalion remains without communication ...
        And take a word, among the 31 (41) tank commander is always IRONICALLY CONSTANT one Mud.k.
        Here it is - a reality.

        After switching to the P-173, they try to lower the minimum communication cell to the level of the company (i.e., the company in the two ears has two radio waves constantly), that’s all the modifications ...
        There is no qualitative leap into changes in the PRINCIPLES of a communication system.

        And the “historian” can only be slap on the tank of the battalion commander (company commander, if he has an additional receiver attached to his radio). But inside the battalion (company), communication is via ordinary radio channels and, accordingly, it is not difficult to listen to them with any cheap Chinese scrambler and understand what task the battalion (company) received.
        And the fact that the battalion commander (company) in a smart way (in the light of the modernization of the armed forces) is encrypted by the “historian” does not matter, since he is encrypted on his own, the campaign.

        Communication is truly a CORNERAL stone in the sun.
        A STABLE and SECRET communication with all units of the Battle Group (and within the Group itself) is the guarantee of Victory.
        No matter how pathetic it may sound, but it is SO.
  4. HAM
    HAM 10 September 2013 10: 32 New
    13
    Without a good connection, all “Almaty”, T-50, etc. nothing! learned nothing! Unfortunately, !!!!
    1. Manager
      Manager 10 September 2013 11: 11 New
      +6
      Quote: HAM
      Without a good connection, all “Almaty”, T-50, etc. nothing! learned nothing! Unfortunately, !!!!

      Exactly! At the beginning of the great Patriotic war, for example, although we had an advantage in the number of tanks, we were badly battered because of the lack of communication! Here is an example for you how important communication is!
      1. NEMO
        NEMO 10 September 2013 17: 19 New
        +1
        Quote: Manager
        Exactly! At the beginning of the great Patriotic war, for example, although we had an advantage in the number of tanks, we were badly battered because of the lack of communication! Here is an example for you how important communication is!

        You are absolutely right !!!, the same applies to radio communications in airplanes, and in combined arms units and units, in the initial period of the Second World War.
    2. alone
      alone 10 September 2013 20: 42 New
      0
      Quote: HAM
      They didn’t learn anything! Unfortunately, !!!!


      But why? just the same they learned to steal and plunder very well
  5. Duelist
    Duelist 10 September 2013 10: 33 New
    +5
    Experience gained in battles, paid for by the blood and lives of our guys and not use it criminally! The coordination of the combat arms and units is crucial on the battlefield.
    1. VAF
      VAF 10 September 2013 16: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: Duelist
      Experience gained in battles, paid for by the blood and lives of our guys and not use it criminally!


      He remained an experience in Afghanistan! As they returned to the Union, "bezpeka" immediately warned .. how to fly in Afghanistan, forget .. only in the framework of the KBP and no more.
      So KBP is the same ..... for students! I don’t like it ... quit!

      Then Chechnya began .... again they began to acquire and accumulate .. then it ended and the same thing!

      Then 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX and .... you can read on first ... all one to one!

      And if what happens next. it will be generally .. scary, because those who really knew how and gained experience .. everyone is already on a pension or in high positions on the ground, but new ones are not taught this ... everything is only in KBP !!!
      Unfortunately!

      Well, you for KOMENT +! drinks
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 10 September 2013 16: 24 New
        +1
        Quote: vaf
        and .... you can read on first ... all one to one!

        Absolutely, Sergey.
        We walk in a circle.
        In the process, both we are on earth, and you are in heaven (I thought you had better) ...
        Nothing changes.
        1. VAF
          VAF 10 September 2013 18: 26 New
          +2
          Quote: Aleks tv
          We walk in a circle.


          Hi Aleksey! We don’t have it at all .. with "this" thing ... well, with 2 transfer of experience "... the pipe.
          First of all, everyone who could ... "reformed" some who still remained on the MR's in Marinovka, and the Dzhidinsky in Shagol.
          Saves the only Kharchevsky, because he’s letting everyone through Lipetsk, and Voronezh’s .. mostly research guys, so they can ... but they’re already in service .....
          After all, you yourself understand one thing to show. then teach. give yourself a try, but ... then you need to train ... and where .. to the shelf? so elsi is not in "power" so the head will be "beaten off at once."
          And our breaks are very tough ... here’s the “..tumbling” little guy quietly to school level!
          Just recently there was another fellow article about new young future pilots, as many as 15 passed the GOSy on the Yak-130 (it’s clear that this figure is ridiculous to chickens, for the whole country, and even without a power supply), but for some reason everyone forgot the February news that the group from 25 excellent students started, and so on. but in the end ..15, huh?
          That is, the question put to Putin by Kharchevsky on the telemlost that there will be no one to fly soon and there are problems, which the VGK said will figure it out and ..... commercial break.
          But Kharchevsky is also not eternal .. well, it’s the same for the 60s ... well, they will throw a 5-k, and then ..... it becomes sad, already terrible!

          By the way, there was no report .. how a tank in the Nat fountain redeemed a holiday or how drinks
          1. Aleks tv
            Aleks tv 10 September 2013 18: 45 New
            +1
            Quote: vaf
            After all, you yourself understand one thing to show. then teach. give yourself a try, but ... then you need to train ... and where .. to the shelf? so elsi is not in "power" so the head will be "beaten off at once."

            Greetings, Sergey.
            1. Knowledge - drive.
            2. The skill is to build on.
            3. Skill - only then it is possible not to be afraid that the “military man” will not cripple himself.

            4. Mastery is already at the level of intuition.
            We are losing experience, guys are leaving ...
            Not only do you have things to do, on earth the same, even worse.
            Conscripts have 1 service for a year. The question is - why the hell to teach him at all? Yes, the materiel will be more intact ...

            Quote: vaf
            By the way, there was no report .. how a tank in the Nat fountain redeemed a holiday or how

            Do not quite understand...
            Personally, I don’t care about the fountain. laughing
            I’m more accustomed to celebrate Tanker’s Day with a “small” barrel:
            drinks
  6. fklj
    fklj 10 September 2013 10: 33 New
    +5
    A hundred years have passed, but the problem is the same. Is it really so hard to solve it ?!
    1. Suhov
      Suhov 10 September 2013 10: 43 New
      +3
      Quote: fklj
      A hundred years have passed, but the problem is the same.

      1. VAF
        VAF 10 September 2013 16: 02 New
        0
        Quote: Sukhov
        A hundred years have passed, but the problem is the same.


        And I think .... where is the respected comrade Sukhov? belay

        After all, there are so many answers to his statements yesterday about the “management” of this and that ... and especially maritime aviation wassat

        And here at once there are so many real specialists and landing troops and tank crews and ..have a little erysipelas ... the truth is not for Comrade Sukhov. Yesterday, he clearly “jumped” to the side - that’s supposedly all GS and wants to see how I will take GS to .. “got” wassat

        Well, and how did Comrade Sukhov so “hit” the ShGS or not “hit”?

        So this is still being discussed the issue of managing the Tactical link, and you and the General Staff are threatening the operational-tactical and strategic link where ... in general, the complete....- there is still the main key and KV (with ZAS), who knows what it is zab "crap" will understand.

        I would very much like to look at the pilot-attack aircraft leading the radio communication in the "closed" mode on VHF or HF ... well, very much, but this is one of the main "hats" in the "indirect modification" of the Su-25SM crying
      2. Pathfinder_II
        Pathfinder_II 12 September 2013 16: 54 New
        0
        class !! I watched the film, read the book (in that order) and realized that the film is much richer than the book on which it was created.
  7. uav80
    uav80 10 September 2013 10: 36 New
    16
    Just the news, they were surprised ... Take at least a connection, at least armored vehicles, at least a rifle, the troops use what is in warehouses since the time of the king of peas, remember 08.08.08, and all the new items at the exhibitions, so to bend to show off before the bosses ... From forces a couple of regiments will be armed with fresh girls so that in front of the "Chuk" and "Hek" in the exercises and parades and that's all ... Where is the "equipment that has no world analogues", praised Ka-52, BMPT, BMP-3, BTR-90, Sprut- SD and so on ... ????
    1. fklj
      fklj 10 September 2013 10: 45 New
      +3
      It's like that. But there were always communication problems. Fucking tradition turns out.
  8. 787nkx
    787nkx 10 September 2013 10: 47 New
    +4
    The main thing is that there would not be a single foreign piece of iron there.
    It is no longer a secret; all foreign manufacturers of network equipment are not only sewing network protocols there.
    1. Pathfinder_II
      Pathfinder_II 12 September 2013 17: 03 New
      0
      Well, you need to return the reverse engineering skills that have been tested over the years, by the way, we must pay tribute to what was in the Union - we could not just stupidly copy, but creatively process and issue solutions better than the original. And then everything we strive to produce immediately in the finished product, and secured on tons of paper and backed by permissive signatures. And when they understand that the idea itself is not entirely true, they bring a bunch of small changes, which also need permissive signatures to mind. Kuuucha time, effort spent in vain.
  9. Pattor
    Pattor 10 September 2013 10: 48 New
    +2
    Yes, if new equipment arrives, it often costs. do not know how / how to use unfortunately
    1. Pathfinder_II
      Pathfinder_II 12 September 2013 17: 07 New
      0
      Everyone perfectly understands that in a year nobody can be taught anything and no one has the courage to change the life of conscripts to 2-3 years. You can also introduce periodic short-term military training for those who have served, in order to consolidate the skills in possession of military equipment.
  10. Alex66
    Alex66 10 September 2013 10: 52 New
    +2
    And where are our nano-technologies, why not to develop something "sort of", not all the same to give lectures. Although everything is clear to Chubais, a qualitative connection for OUR army is not needed.
  11. Russ69
    Russ69 10 September 2013 10: 54 New
    0
    Even the article here I see again, here I do not see.
    If you read the reports of the press service of the districts. every month they talk about getting new means of communication and learning how to work on it. I will not argue, but it looks like an advertisement for my products.
    1. Hort
      Hort 10 September 2013 10: 59 New
      +3
      You understand that reports are one thing, and the actual equipment of troops is another.
  12. HAM
    HAM 10 September 2013 11: 03 New
    +3
    We still have the same attitude towards communication: LOUDER YEAR ON, IT IS HEARING ONE! It’s time to change to normal, to change equipment, and there will be less losses. Is it really so difficult to understand at the top? Although they can’t be served in hot spots.
  13. bond_es
    bond_es 10 September 2013 11: 12 New
    +2
    I’m just reading “41 years through the eyes of the Germans”. as then all the same problems. the interaction of the armed forces, the connection of the generals ....
  14. pavlo007
    pavlo007 10 September 2013 11: 18 New
    +4
    Oh, flags, kirzachi, footcloths and barley are rolling - the army is not a kindergarten. And do not wash below the waist more often than once a month, but above exclusively with cold water.
  15. HAM
    HAM 10 September 2013 11: 33 New
    +1
    Here on the resource they write: "there are no analogues in the world", it would be better: "there are no analogues in other armies" ....
  16. AlexP47
    AlexP47 10 September 2013 11: 40 New
    +2
    The Red Army is strong, but its connection will ruin! lol
    1. Pathfinder_II
      Pathfinder_II 12 September 2013 17: 13 New
      -1
      And we are no longer the Red Army - White-Blue-and-Red.)
  17. Vanaik
    Vanaik 10 September 2013 11: 49 New
    +4
    And where did you get high-quality communication if in the time of Serdyukov all schools of communication were reduced, only the academy in St. Petersburg remained, as a result of 5 years we’ll lose the potential of specialists in the field of communication and even in the existing schools they were prepared to work on those samples that are on the complexes of the years so 70 x. But the money laundering machine, called Voentelecom, functions well
  18. Andrew 447
    Andrew 447 10 September 2013 11: 52 New
    +4
    Communication is the scourge of our army since 1 world. As I recall the P-123 with its lamps .... if God forbid the lamp sits, all the khan. I recall the jokes of the beginning of the connection regarding the effectiveness of regimental communications: “The louder you shout, the farther the connection” and “the most reliable connection is sexual. " Apparently they are relevant now, which is damn bad.
    1. Pathfinder_II
      Pathfinder_II 12 September 2013 17: 26 New
      0
      But lamp transceivers are easily diagnosed and repairable, but modern ones cannot be repaired without special equipment. If only in blocks, according to the troubleshooting algorithm, I found a non-working block, completely replaced with a new one from spare parts, the block was sent to the factory.
      The smaller the elements, the more difficult it is to solder them, the more they are exposed to static electricity, etc. surprises. The higher the frequency, the more spurious signals, interference, the more complicated the calculations (instead of individual elements with lumped parameters, the whole board works as an element with distributed parameters).
  19. maestro123
    maestro123 10 September 2013 11: 59 New
    +3
    Five years have passed, and the situation has not changed much. The weakness of tactical communications was again demonstrated, but now as part of a sudden check of the readiness of troops of the Eastern and Central military districts (BBO and CVO).
    Again, the conclusion suggests itself: Serdyukov did not do anything good for the army during his tenure as the Defense Ministry of the RF Armed Forces.
    1. Pathfinder_II
      Pathfinder_II 12 September 2013 17: 27 New
      0
      I have in this case only one question: why did not the season of “landings” begin ?!
  20. Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 10 September 2013 12: 01 New
    +2
    Communication is the nerve of the Army! And nerves need to be protected! sad
  21. Fl000d
    Fl000d 10 September 2013 12: 02 New
    +1
    What kind of connection will there be if in 2014 they release a small set of 2009, and then 2 years to anyone - for the whole country? I can only guess about this, where they will get the experts from ... So, not only the equipment has a problem, it’s just not bad at all,
    1. Pathfinder_II
      Pathfinder_II 12 September 2013 17: 31 New
      0
      you have to look at something even earlier: where are the radio circles ?! where to get the fanatics of their business, but at least just interested, inquisitive? not even so much where will they go to study, but who will go?
  22. yanus
    yanus 10 September 2013 12: 03 New
    +1
    Hmm ... Interesting, but in the "communication training" at least something has changed? All the same posters on the walls, sergeants teaching spirits, ever-employed officers who have no time for study? And over the fact that conscripts are "slightly dumb" still no one pays attention? Neither product designers nor training methodologists?
    Technique in the hands of an Indian - a pile of scrap metal! And you're talking about purchases .... Sadly ...
    1. Pathfinder_II
      Pathfinder_II 12 September 2013 17: 35 New
      0
      Tomahawk (I'm talking about hatchets, not about SLCMs) is also a technique. The user interface is just so simple that even an Indian can handle it. And besides, the Indian has been addressing them since childhood, so he knows the materiel to the very last screw.) In the limit, military equipment should strive for this taking into account realities.
  23. crambol
    crambol 10 September 2013 12: 14 New
    +4
    metastases of the Serdyukovschina were struck not only by the economic structures of the Ministry of Defense in the person of the stolen Oboronservis, but also by those departments whose task is to purchase the latest weapons and military equipment for the needs of the Armed Forces and which persistently continue to procure means of communication tactical link previous generations


    And this is already pulling on a betrayal of the motherland with all the consequences!

    1. bodriy
      bodriy 10 September 2013 14: 00 New
      +3
      Tell me what you want, but not one Serdyukov is guilty of this ... the king also tried, I would even say overdone !!! he is so good with us, and not 37 years old!
  24. Nitarius
    Nitarius 10 September 2013 12: 20 New
    +4
    Quote: ev58
    As a specialist in an aircraft instrument-building enterprise, I am pleased to hear good wishes and statements such as: "Take and secure!" or "Must be decided!" However, as a rule, people who speak in this vein do not fully understand all the stages of equipment development and forget that any constructive, circuitry and technological solutions are based on the capabilities of the technological and production base (primarily) of our country. The use of imported ERI and materials makes production, operation, and ensuring the entire life cycle of equipment from foreign manufacturers of components unacceptable. If you really want high-quality and latest equipment and technology, you should first of all pay attention to the development of new technologies, the development of domestic industry, the expansion of the range of permitted EIS and materials (without fail), taking into account the needs of developers of equipment and equipment. The customer sets the task, drawn up in the form of TK, and the developer stands on a broken trough and thinks how to implement and ensure customer requirements.

    That is to say the least! We ourselves are doing space. And you have to do with imports.
    because Conder and those ceased to produce.
    Forgive me for MATS: no one or the spirit is enough to put against the walls and shoot at least one GENERAL FOR BRIBERY.
    if you knew what kickbacks would be crazy!
    1. Pathfinder_II
      Pathfinder_II 12 September 2013 17: 39 New
      0
      You don’t have to shoot, why is it so cruel? .. demote by several orders of magnitude (from major general to lieutenant, for example) and to serve in combat units far from Moscow.
  25. waisson
    waisson 10 September 2013 12: 28 New
    +2
    here at the Chinese it’s all turned out looked sadral-done and they have hands and brains are we really worse
    1. Pathfinder_II
      Pathfinder_II 12 September 2013 17: 40 New
      0
      the Chinese are not very successful, we can do better.)
  26. nazgul-ishe
    nazgul-ishe 10 September 2013 12: 42 New
    +2
    So what do we have after 30 years of democracy? Stalin's P7, the unforgettable Kalash, brought to the mind of the IS3 and some of the so far flying. Probably need all the same and 37years. Otherwise, we will disappear with such helmsmen.
  27. Nikolay_1995
    Nikolay_1995 10 September 2013 12: 42 New
    +4
    They steal on the defensive ...... they’d take them and put them on the battlefield with outdated weapons ... they will immediately understand if they survive.
    1. Pathfinder_II
      Pathfinder_II 12 September 2013 17: 45 New
      0
      Arrange guilty generals tank biathlon, only with the opposing teams (all-against-all) and live ammunition. With the development of strategies and tactics for using MBT in conditions very close to combat.)))))
  28. tomket
    tomket 10 September 2013 12: 45 New
    +2
    STRONG RED ARMY BUT COMMUNICATION WILL KILL IT
  29. nazgul-ishe
    nazgul-ishe 10 September 2013 12: 46 New
    +3
    Quote: Nikolay_1995
    They steal on the defensive ...... they’d take them and put them on the battlefield with outdated weapons ... they will immediately understand if they survive.

    For that kind of money, they will hire a good guard and they will take a good law under it.
  30. michajlo
    michajlo 10 September 2013 12: 52 New
    +4
    Good day to all!

    The communication problem is old, sick, and for many decades now, we HER CRITICALLY BEHIND IT! What can a fighter or an officer say to high-ranking generals, officials of general directors and the “Kremlin Kodla” besides the checkmate and removing the fuse from the guard? ! Nothing good, Only in the sight, no bastard comes across! So far ... And in the bloody conflicts in the Caucasus 1995,1999, 2008, every scum has good imported field or satellite radios, and Russian troops - a cookie!
    They say it right here, until a few people from the generals, general directors, ministers are "put up against the wall", nothing is decided, only the sums of "mastered kickbacks" will constantly increase.
    I am not a field signalman, but radio engineering is a well-known area for me. It’s true that in Russia there were no stocks left, capacitors and other discrete parts that went military acceptance. All have been used for two decades
    But let's look at the essence of the issue / technical side!
    What is “on a bare spot” or in an existing plant, take establish and establish a capacitor production linein (polar and non-polar), resistors, inductances, of which 50-70% will be able to pass military acceptance and the rest will go for civilian use? Find suppliers of raw materials and further train technicians and engineers?
    I’m not writing here about diodes, transistors and ICs, there are other technologies and requirements, and “clean rooms” are needed, other lines and raw materials.
    In difficult times, it took 2-3 months until you get READY and tested products with an asterisk on radio parts !!!
    And now in the era of “liberal reformers / pests,” This is ALREADY an insurmountable technical PROBLEM for mighty Russia!?
    Dear forum users, among you there are engineers / electronic engineers with practical experience. What is all sorts of excuses for the old Instructions and Prescriptions from the 40-50s?
    As they say, "the road will be overpowered! Well, excuses and problems, our lazy, initiative-less managers, or simply entrepreneurs, will find on a "cart with the top."

    For some reason, it seems to me (although I am only a civilian, not a military expert) that I’m standing in the army, and especially IN THE ADVANCED during conflicts, to call and put ALL SONS and BROTHERS of our Ministers, officials and "aligarchof", so right away most of the technical and organizational problems in the Moscow Region, military and military-industrial complex should be resolved within a few weeks !!! am Or am I wrong?
    1. 787nkx
      787nkx 10 September 2013 14: 19 New
      +3
      It is possible to expand new large-scale production only under a specific demand stable for the long term. Under the future likely demand, our own research and development is necessary. Unfortunately, nothing has been done in this area since the late 80's, as a result, we have a strong base Conders, diodes, resistors, although with an asterisk, are no longer needed, ready-made programmable assemblies are needed, with a wide range of applications and a high degree of integration, well, price-quality.
      New steps in the military-industrial complex to recreate the CDD (O) in the long term should lead to an update in the element base. Today, there are no more than 20 companies in the world who can provide the military commissar of their countries with the necessary electronic elements, unfortunately there are no Russian enterprises in this list. Therefore it remains to buy what you can buy without risk for yourself and develop on this basis the devices requested by the military.
      1. Pathfinder_II
        Pathfinder_II 12 September 2013 18: 11 New
        0
        I don’t yet understand such a bias: if it is possible to use a finished imported product such as a computer (which passed the “test”, which often includes an imported element base), why can not I use an imported element base in my own product? And especially since most of the products are manufactured for export (such as Libya, Syria, China, etc.). Why is it impossible to work out the product on the export version, and then downgrade to the authorized domestic element base? Let it turn out more, more massive, less economical, but certainly workable, as it is checked on the "layout".))
    2. Pathfinder_II
      Pathfinder_II 12 September 2013 17: 59 New
      +1
      Life example: “go to the workshop, see something the board doesn’t work” .. I look at the board and see that the tracks from the power bus to the microcircuits are not correctly separated, instead of remaking the boards they approved a whole correction technique: in some places they cut the track, instead of a track, the correct output of the microcircuit is powered from one circuit to another (pieces 4 or 5 of TTL logic) with a conductor (soldered, glued to the board and varnished), not a single conder between the power and ground .. ((I ask, maybe for starters to fix an obvious mistake? "-" her .. what do you know How many need to be agreed and papers to correct ?! ".. What here bribes and kickbacks, often simply too lazy.
    3. novobranets
      novobranets 12 September 2013 18: 13 New
      0
      Quote: michajlo
      Well, excuses and problems, our lazy, initiative-free managers

      I apologize for being off topic, but I really want to tell you. In the summer, my mother needed to sign one certificate in Sobes, well, since she has bad walking, I went. In the corridor there are about twenty pensioners, heat, stuffiness, the line does not move. From time to time, another girl rushes out of the required office and, with a preoccupied look, rushes along the corridor to another office, after a while she returns, answering all the questions of the elderly, “Busy, wait.” Time goes by, the situation is heating up. angry When the next employee, so to speak, returned from a run, she loosely closed the door behind her. In the gap, I saw that they were DRIVING TEAs there. Not too lazy, went to see where they run all the time, it turned out, a toilet for staff. When I returned, I looked in line for Grandfather stronger, sat down with him and opened his clear eyes, for some dark moments. repeat Grandfather sighed, slammed his jaw like a suitcase, took off his hat with both hands, put it on the next chair and stepped into the office ... I respected my grandfather immediately and unconditionally, such a roar, I did not hear such mats from the army. am After a minute, the line moved. fellow So what am I doing. Instead of asking and persuading, maybe MO, you need to punch the table and demand, eh? hi
  31. bubla5
    bubla5 10 September 2013 13: 01 New
    +1
    At this stage, apparently at the top, no one needs this connection, except for those who need it, it's not six hundred
  32. SUSANIN 777
    SUSANIN 777 10 September 2013 13: 22 New
    +2
    In the meantime, Oboronservis represented by Voentelecom continues to repair tube-type radio stations for the “good” of the Motherland, such as R-123, R-111, R-159, which our fathers and grandfathers well remember. For example, for the repair of a command staff vehicle (KShM R-142, R-145) with the above stations, and which by the way after 2000 have no closed regime (declassified due to uselessness)) - the state pays somewhere around 700 thousand rubles, only for radio stations - without running gear. Although it was quite possible to buy the modern wearable with that money, and not on the basis of the Gas-66 or the obsolete BTR-60. And the question is, how long will it be?
  33. IRBIS
    IRBIS 10 September 2013 13: 25 New
    +8
    I have personal experience. A raid in which after three hours the battery "died" at the radio station. Replaced, a couple of hours later ordered a long life and a spare. Almost three days without communication. Then he was wildly lucky - they took rich trophies, including compact foreign radio stations. Everything cost little blood, but impressions - for the rest of my life! So many years have passed since then, but the problem remains. Our army has had this problem since the Second World War and for all these years someone has been solving, improving, and supplying something. Where is the result?
    1. SUSANIN 777
      SUSANIN 777 10 September 2013 13: 35 New
      +2
      The second company was dragged to the R-159M (which is about 10 kg per se), with a box of securing equipment attached to it, the "historian", if not confused, who also weighed 5 kg. In addition, I also had to take spare batteries with the same weight . And due to the fact that they do not let out new ones, the working time is really several hours.
      All this could be replaced by a small pocket "motorola", which were few.
    2. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 10 September 2013 16: 17 New
      +2
      Quote: IRBIS
      Then he was wildly lucky - they took rich trophies, including compact foreign radio stations. Everything cost little blood, but impressions - for the rest of my life!

      Similarly, Alexander ...
      Took ... ahem ... we then the party "Haykom 3".
      wink
      Like even better Motorall.
      Used them inside the unit and ...
      as the connection between the tank crew and the infantry.
      Here is such crap.
      1. IRBIS
        IRBIS 10 September 2013 17: 26 New
        +5
        Quote: Aleks tv
        Used them inside the unit and ...
        as the connection between the tank crew and the infantry.
        Here is such crap.

        Similarly, but I had Motorcycles and Kenwoods. But crap began when the chief of communications tried to “confiscate” them from me. For use in more "important" areas.
        Reliable and beautiful stations were seized from me before returning to the traffic control and then (according to my information) solemnly presented to the right people involved in hunting.
        And we again returned to our "suitcases" ....
  34. olegff68
    olegff68 10 September 2013 13: 34 New
    +2
    Now, at the moment, the signalmen’s exercises are under way near the city of N. Only yesterday I talked with one of the officers and he complained that, as in the last century, twisting pens twisted around, etc. , while the technology of a newer generation (unfolds at the touch of a button, etc.) in a cellophane, is consumed by corrosion in storage and is not allowed to shoot at it.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 10 September 2013 13: 48 New
      +5
      quote-In particular, during the MAKS-2013 air show in Zhukovsky near Moscow at the booth of the Interstate Development Corporation (MKR), the latest designs of the Omsk production association “Radio Plant named after A. Popov” were presented - a complex transport multifunctional hardware communication (CAS- TM) and integrated transport relay hardware (CAS-TR), the tests of which have recently been successfully completed.


      1. Pathfinder_II
        Pathfinder_II 12 September 2013 18: 29 New
        0
        I don’t know how in this case the equipment is powered up, but one curious case is recalled - we checked some equipment installed in a kung of a similar KAMAZ, the driver was tired, turned off the engine and left .. the end of the working day, it was necessary to drive the car into the workshop .. oops! the battery is completely planted, with the engine turned off, the pneumatic brake system does not work and the wheels are completely locked .. the whole crowd of engineers, technicians, installers and other specialists unsuccessfully tried to put them into the hangar for about 15 minutes.) ... so I’m somehow wary of KAMAZ as carriers of special equipment.)
  35. SUSANIN 777
    SUSANIN 777 10 September 2013 13: 46 New
    +1
    Quote: olegff68
    in cellophane, is devoured by corrosion in storage and is not allowed to shoot at it.

    Judging by the small deliveries of new digital domestic ones, which half have already been sent for repair, to those (at least roughly with three buttons) - you still need to teach something. And with the new generation that comes to the army, and in the word x .. making three mistakes, you need to train now, and not when the cancer on the mountain whistles.
  36. nikcris
    nikcris 10 September 2013 13: 48 New
    +1
    Costs of the doctrine of a planned war. It is planned that there will be no jeepies. There will be no radio (remember how the "voices" were jammed?). There will be kondovy wires and multi-colored flags with poketnikami. request
  37. Sochi
    Sochi 10 September 2013 13: 53 New
    +2
    At the end of the 70s, the P-404 were armed with 157 zaharas ... tubes. One R-409 came to us, transistor ... More of these have been reported. By the way, from the 60s, the R-404 was already in the national economy, and we took the form on it in secret ... Sometimes I see the R-404 (a very characteristic antenna economy) in the training frames, which leads to a state of shock ...
  38. Big
    Big lexey 10 September 2013 13: 54 New
    +3
    Quote: domokl
    Quote: ev58
    If you really want high-quality and latest equipment and technology, you should first of all pay attention to the development of new technologies, the development of domestic industry, the expansion of the range of permitted EIS and materials (without fail), taking into account the needs of developers of equipment and equipment

    Every sandpiper has its own swamp. And as a user with this very connection, I would gladly fill the face of designers and developers. There are not enough brains to create something, copy Western, Japanese. There are not so many radio stations for the tactical link. I do not ask to provide each soldier with a transceiver , give at least a similar western connection in the link of the platoon-company-battalion commander.
    The global nature of your request is understandable .. All at once and then we ... wow ... But what should the fighters do? Again, take the captured radio stations?

    Do not blame ev58, he raised the absolutely correct problems. It’s impossible to create ANYTHING without the technological base, so either buy “overseas” (and who will sell them to us ?! And if you sell it, what will it be?), Or start to restore the Ministry of Electronic Industry.
    To be honest, when you "touch" the topic of domestic electronics and the production of components - you want to cry. And you begin to regret that there is no Stalin in the country with its harsh management methods and the personal responsibility of officials for a specific result.
    1. Pathfinder_II
      Pathfinder_II 12 September 2013 18: 33 New
      0
      We have more people dying on our roads per year than Stalin froze over all the years of his reign.
  39. pa_nik
    pa_nik 10 September 2013 14: 05 New
    +1
    Quote: michajlo
    every rabble has


    select / disassemble / copy / launch into production

    Quote: michajlo
    for mighty Russia!?


    I take it out of context somewhat, but I agree with bewilderment, and the question, in my opinion, is out of place.

    and for a change - http://vpk-news.ru/articles/16297 layout of forces and means of the Chinese dragon.
  40. rudolff
    rudolff 10 September 2013 14: 16 New
    +6
    When he served urgent in the 80s, I had to run a little with the R-105M. 14 kg of weight without spare batteries, and the communication range is only a few km. Even if you screw additional knees on the antenna or scatter the "wave" through the trees, it is not a fact that you will be heard 10 kilometers away. I was surprised to learn that these stations are still full in warehouses.
    1. Serg 122
      Serg 122 10 September 2013 15: 19 New
      +1
      [i] When he served an emergency in the 80s, I had to run a little with the R-105M. 14 kg of weight without spare batteries, and the communication range is only a few km. Even if you screw additional knees on the antenna or scatter the "wave" through the trees, it is not a fact that you will be heard 10 kilometers away. I was surprised to learn that these stations are still full in warehouses. [/ I] [/ i] wink
      Have you forgotten about KShM? The long-suffering R-142 ... And the R-140? Also still live! And note "on the new base chassis"
  41. SUSANIN 777
    SUSANIN 777 10 September 2013 14: 17 New
    +1
    Quote: nikcris
    Costs of the doctrine of a planned war. It is planned that there will be no jeepies.

    If ours are not drowned, then it will be, but not for us. Given the fact that there are two frequencies — one civilian, the second for military purposes — the first will either really drown out or make an error of + - 1km.
    If I don’t confuse, they already did something similar in Afghanistan.
    1. Pathfinder_II
      Pathfinder_II 12 September 2013 18: 39 New
      0
      as it seems, in most cases mixed GNSS GPS / GLONASS systems are used.
  42. ed1968
    ed1968 10 September 2013 14: 20 New
    0
    all the problems are due to the fact that the close-minded greedy people are responsible for the purchases in our valiant army .. who don’t give a damn about this army because they just make money
  43. 787nkx
    787nkx 10 September 2013 14: 46 New
    +2
    At the moment, there’s nothing to buy. Buying samples or finished products created on imported components is a big risk. There are no own developments, as you can see.
  44. pogis
    pogis 10 September 2013 14: 58 New
    0
    Quote: SUSANIN 777
    Quote: nikcris
    Costs of the doctrine of a planned war. It is planned that there will be no jeepies.

    If ours are not drowned, then it will be, but not for us. Given the fact that there are two frequencies — one civilian, the second for military purposes — the first will either really drown out or make an error of + - 1km.
    If I don’t confuse, they already did something similar in Afghanistan.

    In Yugoslavia!
  45. Quiet
    Quiet 10 September 2013 14: 58 New
    0
    Quote: C-600
    That's what a thing. It’s money, but the equipment isn’t.



    Salvage is sawn upstairs !!! Specialists are deceived about payments !!! Who wants to work for a pack of cigarettes ???
  46. pogis
    pogis 10 September 2013 15: 00 New
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    Quote: ed1968
    all the problems are due to the fact that the close-minded greedy people are responsible for the purchases in our valiant army .. who don’t give a damn about this army because they just make money

    And in 45-91gg too?
  47. rudolff
    rudolff 10 September 2013 15: 35 New
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    The problems of the domestic element base are already starting to annoy openly. Above on the branch, they correctly noticed that there are absolutely no problems setting up the production of simple resistors, capacitors, inductors, etc. It’s not much more difficult to master transistors, diodes, local oscillators, and simple microcircuits. The only problem is the creation and production of microcircuits of new generations. Here we really need new “clean rooms”, a scientific base, and modern technologies. But after all, they are also very reluctant to engage in the simplest with us. Even if it’s from foreign parts, it’s a bummer to produce your own boards. Much easier to buy ready-made Chinese, abundantly washed with tears of "hopelessly lagging behind domestic electronics"! Recently I was turning a high-frequency amplifier board in my hands and could not understand what was so complicated about it that the Chinese had overwhelmed them with the whole world, and we were not able to reproduce even the fact that before any radio amateur on his knees could solder.
    1. Raven1972
      Raven1972 10 September 2013 23: 47 New
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      Quote: rudolff
      The problems of the domestic element base are already starting to annoy openly. Above on the branch, they correctly noticed that there are absolutely no problems setting up the production of simple resistors, capacitors, inductors, etc. It’s not much more difficult to master transistors, diodes, local oscillators, and simple microcircuits.

      Rudolph to produce components requires MATERIALS and equipment for the production of these materials, and all the factories that manufactured this equipment were first destroyed in the 90s ... After all, to make the same diode, you must first grow the crystal from which it is made .. .. Not to mention transistors and ICs .... recourse
      And if there are no materials, then the factories producing the components themselves are bent ...
      1. Pathfinder_II
        Pathfinder_II 12 September 2013 18: 47 New
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        By the way, microelectronics is not only silicon, but also plastic cases, sealants, and compounds. Petrochemistry is the basis of all this, and you yourself know where we sell raw materials for pennies.
    2. Pathfinder_II
      Pathfinder_II 12 September 2013 18: 44 New
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      Quote: rudolff
      what is so complicated about it that the Chinese have filled up the whole world with them

      It’s complicated - it’s the price. To compete with them, it is necessary that the state, under any pretext (as with Georgian / Moldovan wine), protect the domestic market from the dominance of a cheap and, by the way, der .. low-quality Chinese "product".
  48. Siberian
    Siberian 10 September 2013 15: 36 New
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    Quote: Aleks tv
    Quote: NEMO
    old woman P -159, adopted as early as the 80's

    Thanks for the 159 snapshot, NEMO.

    And we had to use P-105 in 90's as wearables.
    And on the armored vehicles as they were, the P-123 and P-173 remained.
    No kidding, sad humor ...

    Here she is, the real "old woman" P-105m:

    In, in, we were the same. And TA-57 grabbed the device with the coil and flew. And this is in the late 80s and early 90s. And this is where in the PS troops, although this was for communication between some nearby stations. But even so, we even made fun of this junk ourselves.
  49. igorspb
    igorspb 10 September 2013 15: 54 New
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    In March, they demonstrated, but still do not purchase ..... the author is not in a hurry for the events?
    Although you can’t do without a good connection.
  50. SUSANIN 777
    SUSANIN 777 10 September 2013 15: 55 New
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    Quote: rudolff
    When he served urgent in the 80s, I had to run a little with the R-105M. 14 kg of weight without spare batteries, and the communication range is only a few km.

    Here it is, nanosvyaz laughing

    http://news.rambler.ru/13096914/
    1. Pathfinder_II
      Pathfinder_II 12 September 2013 18: 50 New
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      and what ?!) nano is 10 to minus 9th degree. One radio station for 10 ^ 9 miles .. the police are nano-communication.))