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After the Olympics, Japan wanted the Southern Kuriles

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The theme of Tokyo's victory in the struggle for the right to host the summer Olympics in 2020 has received an unexpected development the other day. In a strange way, representatives of the Japanese leadership saw in the assignment of Tokyo the title of Olympic capital 2020 the need to develop their success in the South Kuril direction. Thus, the Secretary General of the Rigant Sun of the Liberal Democratic Party, Shigeru Ishiba, while visiting the Nemuro village on the island of Hokkaido, did not deny himself the nostalgic pleasure of admiring the beauties of the four Russian islands of the South Kuril Ridge: Iturup, Kunashir, Shikot, Shikot, Shikot. After admiring, Mr. Ishiba called on the Japanese, like the well-coordinated work in the Olympic direction, to intensify the work in the country that would lead to Japan, quoting: "the islands that were once lost by it". The message was similar to the following: today we received the right to hold the Olympic Games in 2020, and tomorrow, with the same pressure, we will get back the Kuriles ...


After the Olympics, Japan wanted the Southern Kuriles


Apparently, the feeling of deep and unsubstantiated, neither by international law nor by realities, did the sense of Japanese territorial “patriotism” crawl over Ishiba over the edge, and he decided to transfer it to his other compatriots.

It is noteworthy that a few days before Shigeru Ishiba’s sayings about the so-called “Kuril problem”, which, frankly speaking, should not be a problem for the Russian side, the conversation was between Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe and Russian President Vladimir Putin in the framework of bilateral meetings during the G-20 summit. In the next (countless) time, the Japanese prime minister raised the issue of concluding a peace treaty between Japan and the Russian Federation, and, as is known, his conclusion rests on the Southern Kuriles, which the Land of the Rising Sun stubbornly wants to see in its composition. Only at the same time Japan forgets about its status somewhat (the status of a state that lost in World War II), which allows Japanese politicians of different years to constantly exaggerate the “Kuril issue” and at certain points on this topic even achieve political success in their own country. Shinzo Abe is also no exception. For him, talking about the territorial affiliation of the Southern Kuriles and signing a peace treaty with Russia is a kind of political springboard inside the country. After all, Abe has repeatedly celebrated success in the elections to the cabinet of ministers, declaring that he has a “number of thoughts” on the transition of the Southern Kuriles (the so-called Northern Territories) under the wing of Tokyo. Ordinary Japanese (those who are somehow interested in this issue) believed him, parliamentarians too, and Abe, thanks to this, for the second time becomes the Japanese prime minister (by the way that with the update in the highest echelons of power in Japan, too, not everything so simple…)

It should be noted that the talks between Putin and Abe in St. Petersburg on the conclusion of a peace treaty were not spontaneous. A few weeks before the start of the G20 forum, the discussion of preparations for the conclusion of a peace treaty between Russia and Japan was held at the level of deputy foreign ministers.

After the meetings of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs "deputies", and also after the personal meeting of Vladimir Putin and Shinzo Abe, information came from Tokyo that very soon negotiations between Russia and Japan would be held on the possibility of concluding a peace treaty. The format of these negotiations will be as follows: the Minister of Foreign Affairs and the Minister of Defense on each side. At the same time, the Japanese side in the press release hints that this is an unprecedented concession on its part: the official Tokyo conducts negotiations in this format exclusively with its allies (for example, Australia or the USA), and therefore Moscow must make retaliatory curtsy ...

The Russian side also confirmed the fact of upcoming negotiations on the possibility of concluding a peace treaty with Japan. Approximately at the beginning of November of this year, the heads of the foreign affairs and military departments of the country, Sergey Lavrov and Sergey Shoigu, will go to the Japanese islands.

No, the fact that it is better to be friends with the neighboring countries than not to be friends - the thesis is obvious. But only every time when it comes to partnership with Japan, for some reason, the Southern Kuriles float to the surface, and at the same time the Japanese (we recall, the Japanese who lost the war) set us some conditions. We don't set, they put ... As they say, not sickly ...

At the same time, every time you catch yourself in a restless thought: what if the Russian leadership takes and trembles ... “Kemskaya volost? Yes, take it ”... And immediately you try to drive this thought away from you, hoping that common sense and service in the interests of your people determine the policy of the Russian authorities, and not promises of dubious“ carrots ”from foreign countries - from the same Japan, as an option…

Restless thoughts appeared even after the term “hikivaki” flashed in the conversation between Russian and Japanese political leaders, which can be translated as “a draw outcome”. I wonder what is meant by this “no one’s outcome”? Maybe Japan’s Russia is South Kuril Islands, and Russia’s Japan, for example, Hokkaido Island ... Or, Japan, together with Russia, does business on our four islands of the South Kuril Ridge, and Russia, together with Japan, on their Ryukyu Islands. Well, as variants of this very "hikivaki" ...

Whatever it was, but the same Lavrov and Shoigu will have to keep the defense from the Japanese “partner” sweetness, which obviously will not imply any retaliatory steps from Japan. Japanese politics in the style of “you are islands to us, and we to you is endless friendship” - well, no, thank you, we will live here in Russia somehow and without a peace treaty ... We lived the same - and nothing ...

The Japanese, judging by the same statements of Shigeru Ishiba in Hokkaido, are going to develop their "Olympic" success and will try to do everything to be in an exceptional gain from the signing of a peace treaty (if, of course, it will be signed in the foreseeable future). If our ministers hold the defense, then they will be honored and praised, if they start to pour in ... But no, we must again drive this worthless thought away from ourselves. Let the joy of our Japanese partners remain at the level of receiving Tokyo the title of Olympic capital of the year 20 ...
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  1. left-wing
    left-wing 10 September 2013 07: 24
    66
    The impudence of the Japanese knows no boundaries, it is necessary to quickly populate all the Kuril Islands
    1. Canep
      Canep 10 September 2013 07: 54
      80
      At one time, Putin said: "They will get the ears of a dead donkey, and not ..."
      1. Garyk701
        Garyk701 10 September 2013 09: 00
        -18 qualifying.
        Well, actually, Putin offered them the South Kuril Islands if they convoyed US military bases from their islands. Let them think ... America is weakening, China is increasing power. Russia must be allied in this region.
        1. aviator_IAS
          aviator_IAS 10 September 2013 10: 07
          51
          Quote: Garyk701
          Well, actually, Putin offered them the South Kuril Islands if they convoyed US military bases from their islands. Let them think ... America is weakening, China is increasing power. Russia must be allied in this region.

          Not equivalent exchange! Then return the base for a short while, and only conquer the territory. Fuck them! Let them admire from afar. It would be better if they were engaged in their Fukushima! And then the floor of Japan will soon have to be resettled.
          1. wasjasibirjac
            wasjasibirjac 10 September 2013 18: 23
            +3
            Quote: aviator_IAS
            It would be better if they were engaged in their Fukushima! And then the floor of Japan will soon have to be resettled.

            therefore, new islands are required, otherwise there is nowhere to move.
          2. Garyk701
            Garyk701 11 September 2013 09: 42
            -14 qualifying.
            Think for someone no longer equivalent? Do we have awesome business income on the islands? But the American military bases in Japan are really our expenses for countering their missile defense system. And a threat to our entire Pacific Fleet. Is our entire fleet and the entire Far East shone with radar on these islands? Estimate on the calculator before minus.
            1. Cynic
              Cynic 11 September 2013 11: 02
              +2
              Quote: Garyk701
              Estimate on the calculator before minus.

              Cases and blood of ancestors how will you count on the calculator?
              So _ Result, obscene, about you.
            2. Basarev
              Basarev 15 February 2014 16: 09
              0
              Russia has never given away its lands
              1. Cynic
                Cynic 15 February 2014 17: 14
                0
                Quote: Basarev
                Russia has never given away its lands

                Unfortunately, it was not once.
                The same Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands.
                request
        2. Chuck-norris
          Chuck-norris 10 September 2013 11: 46
          +7
          Can you give a link to his words? Very interesting!
        3. fedorovith
          fedorovith 10 September 2013 15: 21
          +9
          Yes, there’s no talk of the Kuril Islands, it’s like a toast, meaning nothing to us. We don’t need to pay attention to this bazaar.
          1. 2vladim2
            2vladim2 10 September 2013 21: 38
            +3
            Maybe you're right. As there, the dog barks, and the caravan goes. Let them pretend. They all understand perfectly. The Japanese are smart. Wait, they will soon offer us a peace agreement to sign. And they will forget about the Kuril Islands.
        4. beard999
          beard999 10 September 2013 15: 50
          +4
          Quote: Garyk701
          Putin offered them the South Kuril Islands if they convoy US military bases from their islands

          Please provide a confirmation link to this information.
        5. CTEPX
          CTEPX 10 September 2013 17: 00
          +2
          Quote: Garyk701
          if they dispatch US military bases from their islands

          As an option: you give us Okinawa under a military base (instead of amer’s), we give you the joint use of four islands)).
          Only this is unlikely. Japan is being prepared as a "second front" in the event of the implementation of the "chaos" plan through the "Great Caliphate")).
        6. IRON_MAN
          IRON_MAN 10 September 2013 17: 13
          +3
          Good day to you! Where is such information from?
          1. CTEPX
            CTEPX 10 September 2013 17: 33
            +1
            Quote: IRON_MAN
            Where is such information from?

            Now I’ll drop everything and show all the fishing places!)).
            But seriously, what do you have doubts about?
            1. Bosk
              Bosk 10 September 2013 18: 19
              0
              There are doubts, because even the president cannot violate the constitution, and by the way, if I am not mistaken, there are fines about the inviolability of borders ...
              1. stranik72
                stranik72 10 September 2013 19: 37
                +3
                Well yes. China and Norway, it’s possible, but Japan is unobtrusive.
                They spit on the constitution, if MI is beneficial.
                1. Bosk
                  Bosk 10 September 2013 22: 24
                  +2
                  And I again insist that the borders of Russia are not ruined by the constitution of the Russian Federation and the Japanese and other bourgeoisie can and don’t spit on the Russian constitution ... but the president of Russia cannot, in principle, not violate it, his main task is to defend every point , every line, every letter, if I’m not mistaken, he swears it. If even he blurted something out ... it was most likely taken out of context, and by the way, gentlemen of the journalism can do it very well. I mean, when you read, see, hear, you can’t take everything at once on faith, often you also need to turn on your head.
              2. CTEPX
                CTEPX 10 September 2013 21: 02
                +1
                Quote: Bosk
                Have doubts

                And, nevertheless, if the "Great Caliphate" - Japan takes place (fails) - it will immediately manifest)).
        7. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 10 September 2013 21: 20
          +4
          Quote: Garyk701
          Well, actually, Putin offered them the South Kuril Islands

          Well, why is it so impudent to lie and spread turmoil? This was promised by Nikita Khrushchev, the first secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU, already in 1956. An unambiguous minus, unfortunately only one.
        8. Arabist
          Arabist 10 September 2013 21: 22
          0
          Have you ever taught history?
        9. old man54
          old man54 10 September 2013 22: 17
          +1
          Quote: Garyk701
          Well, actually, Putin offered them the South Kuril Islands if they convoyed US military bases from their islands.

          Yes? Something I didn’t hear from him like that, it’s strange if I would have said it, the media would have trumpeted this to the whole world! You are probably confusing, this was suggested to them by Nikitka Khrushchev when the socialists came to power in Japan. Yes, he really promised them to return them, but it’s like not 4 but 2 in all, and set the condition to expel the Yankees from Japan. Their then prime minister also promised this, contentedly rushed to Japan, and soon he, together with his office under his knee, assured (amers turned this of course). So they still whine on this basis, they say they promised the same, so give it back. hi
      2. Natalia
        Natalia 10 September 2013 09: 12
        30
        Come on, let them entertain themselves with what is not ...
        Japan can get the islands in only two cases:
        1. This is if we say war, and for some reason we suddenly won’t win it at least, but this is unlikely ...
        2. This is if some sort of Prokhorov (again, if he became president), wants to play super democracy, and become even more fashionable ... then for a couple of basketball clubs in Japan, maybe he could .... sell

        And in general, nonsense, well, breeeyed, well, like Russia, well, generally, it can’t give it to anyone, these islands .... take it, it can give it away ... only not today and not even tomorrow ....
        1. Uncle
          Uncle 10 September 2013 11: 54
          14
          Quote: Natalia
          This is if we say war, and for some reason we suddenly won’t win it at least, but this is unlikely ...

          Here was the same euphoria in Port Arthur, how do we have such armadillos! And nobody believed in Hitler’s attack, our armor is strong and our tanks are fast, and then the German stood on the rails of the Moscow tram ... Do not underestimate the enemy. Especially with the hands of the Japanese, America and Europe will be at war with us, and this is already serious.
          1. komandir8
            komandir8 10 September 2013 12: 30
            +6
            What kind of war are we talking about? On both sides, nuclear weapons will be used immediately and then no one will need anything ....
            1. CTEPX
              CTEPX 10 September 2013 17: 42
              +2
              Quote: komandir8
              What kind of war are we talking about?

              We are talking about modern war)). When the state itself sways from the outside, when the people call the hired terrorists and use nuclear weapons (as an option: XO or BO) not for anyone, but for you, as a "warning", they will say ... well, in our case, from 20 to 300 thousand hypersonic "toys")).
              Something like this)).
              1. Bogdarin
                Bogdarin 11 September 2013 11: 18
                +2
                Something you do not mean by "modern war". No one will attack Russia with ordinary or unusual (hypersonic, in the amount of 300000) toys, only Russians can defeat Russians, remember 1917. And Ana ... Navalschina and swamps are just an attempt to repeat everything.
                1. CTEPX
                  CTEPX 11 September 2013 21: 01
                  0
                  Quote: Bogdarin
                  Russians can win

                  And here "to win - not to win")).
                  The task is to write off debts. And start a new cycle.
          2. berimor
            berimor 10 September 2013 21: 18
            0
            In no case should you give it away, since they control the strategic sea destinations in Southeast Asia, and, of course, the most extensive fishing areas. It is not for nothing that our border guards are constantly chasing Japanese violators in this area.
        2. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 10 September 2013 16: 49
          +3
          Quote: Natalia
          just not today, not even tomorrow ....

          And never ...
          Who dares to give up, islands, soaked with the blood of Soviet sailors?
          1. bilgesez
            bilgesez 10 September 2013 18: 40
            0
            they gave it to the Chinese.
          2. old man54
            old man54 10 September 2013 22: 23
            +3
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            And never ... Who dares to give up, islands, soaked with the blood of Soviet sailors?

            the Ural drunk didn’t give them away a little, someone stopped him in time, so your cries are somehow not very realistic!
        3. Tersky
          Tersky 10 September 2013 17: 50
          +4
          Quote: Natalia
          Come on, let them entertain themselves with what is not ...

          Nataliya, hi ! I think so, the word "Kuril Islands" is derived from a derivative - smokes, smoke, therefore the very name "Kuril Islands" contains a rather transparent hint to the Japanese that they would nervously smoke on the sidelines, occasionally glancing at the islands and then only during the day, since they don't care about anything laughing
        4. Khabarov
          Khabarov 10 September 2013 18: 18
          +1
          Bullshit, of course bullshit. Bullshit (and today) is when the medveputes gave the poured blood of our border guards Father Damansky, Father Ussuriysky, this is when they gave the Norwegians the richest waters of the Barinze Sea with all the reserves of biological resources and hydrocarbons with an area of ​​Germany. And this is despite all the arguments and protests of the Murmansk fishermen and common sense and simply the interests of Russia.
        5. alone
          alone 10 September 2013 22: 45
          +2
          Quote: Natalia
          1. This is if we say war, and for some reason we suddenly won’t win it at least, but this is unlikely ...


          if there is a war, nobody will win there, the next will be stones and sticks hi
      3. Constantine
        Constantine 10 September 2013 09: 41
        82
        It was necessary to offer them the only correct move. Become a Japanese Region wassat This, in my opinion, is the only way they can get the Kuril Islands wassat
        1. j iz sibiri
          j iz sibiri 10 September 2013 09: 42
          +4
          yes that's right we would have muddied them with corruption wassat
          1. ivshubarin
            ivshubarin 10 September 2013 12: 11
            +8
            They have enough of their own. Japanese customs officers will not put more than one seal without a bribe
          2. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 10 September 2013 12: 55
            +5
            Quote: j iz sibiri
            we would have muddied corruption with them

            And they, you, the mutillers, were introduced to the Yakuza. wassat
        2. Papakiko
          Papakiko 10 September 2013 10: 01
          +4
          Quote: Constantine
          then, in my opinion, the only way they can get the Kuril Islands

          This is not an acquisition, but the opportunity to freely visit, live (this is in case one of the "monkeys" gathers to freeze) and swim in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk and sunbathe on the beaches.
        3. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg 10 September 2013 13: 10
          +3
          Quote: Constantine
          It was necessary to offer them the only correct move. Become a Japanese Region wassat This, in my opinion, is the only way they can get the Kuril Islands wassat


          Yes, that smoked there .... the whole country in addition laughing ... under them in Siberia you can rebuild the New Toiko, and on the drifting ice floe a new Okinawa ...
        4. Bekzat
          Bekzat 10 September 2013 13: 17
          +4
          Greetings to all, for Konstantin, your comment smiled, thank you !!! laughing
        5. pri3rak
          pri3rak 10 September 2013 13: 21
          +4
          It smacks of delirium, as it was already given to Crimea
        6. Lone gunman
          Lone gunman 10 September 2013 14: 29
          +6
          The map is not complete, but where is Alaska with California? and most importantly, and hde Kiev - the mother of Russian cities?)))
        7. forester
          forester 10 September 2013 15: 48
          0
          Quote: Constantine
          It was necessary to offer them the only correct move. Become a Japanese Region wassat This, in my opinion, is the only way they can get the Kuril Islands wassat

          Yes, Vissariorych carried the point, it was necessary to add them to the 45th Union Republic in the 16th
        8. I'm Russian
          I'm Russian 10 September 2013 17: 32
          +4
          Not an option. At one time, Lithuania was given Vilnius, Ukraine, Crimea, Donbass and Odessa, Kazakhstan Uralsk and Pavlodar, Georgia Abkhazia and Adjara --- gained independence and seized the region.
        9. lonshakovpetr
          lonshakovpetr 10 September 2013 22: 14
          0
          And how did 125 million people fit in there? fellow
      4. KILLAvolt
        KILLAvolt 10 September 2013 10: 11
        18
        This is Japan’s pay for aggression on us! We have received this fee. Why should we give it back ?! Descendants always swell for their ancestors, let them say thanks ...
        1. Retx
          Retx 10 September 2013 10: 31
          +3
          What kind of aggression is this? For 1904? Well, in August the Red Army arranged a pretty good Blitzkrieg for the Japs to Port Arthur, if only a month and Soviet tanks were in Tokyo ... But what were we, the USSR won and received military trophies, so to speak. Everything is legal, no revenge and anything else.
          1. Babon
            Babon 10 September 2013 10: 41
            14
            A bit wrong, after the war of 1904-1905, the Japanese diplomat explained to ours- "That their troops are stationed in the Kuril Islands and Sakhalin, the circumstances have changed, so we need to give them all the lands where their troops were." So in 1945, "the circumstances" also changed. Our troops were already stationed in the Kuril Islands, so what else to talk to them about? Everything, they lost. And the Kurils really should be populated, they need a new ferry there, otherwise they live as if in isolation, not everyone will go there to live.
        2. DEfindER
          DEfindER 10 September 2013 14: 11
          19
          Quote: KILLAvolt
          This is Japan’s pay for aggression on us! We have received this fee. Why should we give it back ?!

          I agree with you, for some reason everyone from Russia only wants to take something, despite the fact that they are not even capable of basic help.
          1. Sirs
            Sirs 10 September 2013 15: 04
            10
            We are a self-sufficient country and will do without help, but the very fact that the whole world is far from a light bulb is our natural disaster is a confirmation of our exceptional hatred for us. There is a flood in China too.
            1. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak 10 September 2013 15: 10
              +2
              Quote: Sirs
              confirmation of exceptional hatred towards us

              Since all of us are exclusively hit by a drum in Europe, forest fires in the states, and in the south of Europe, believe me, not everything is as bad as it seems. In the euro news, fragments about the sinking and salvaged Far East are not uncommon. Maybe someone offers help, but I have not seen this.
              1. mr.rafael-r
                mr.rafael-r 10 September 2013 15: 44
                +5
                Our Be-200 helped extinguish fires in Europe. Maybe for the money, but he was there.
                1. Ezhaak
                  Ezhaak 10 September 2013 16: 57
                  +1
                  And not only in Europe, it was like that. I remember even Israel.
              2. DEfindER
                DEfindER 10 September 2013 16: 44
                +5
                Quote: Hedgehog
                Since we all have a drum exclusively in the flood in Europe, forest fires in the states and southern Europe

                Why do you think so??? Firstly, we always offer assistance, and when it is accepted, our Ministry of Emergency Situations always participate in the elimination of consequences, and we always send humanitarian aid. And we remember in 2010 in the summer the heat was, and there were many forest fires, only the Italians helped us to extinguish, for which many thanks to them.
                1. Ezhaak
                  Ezhaak 10 September 2013 17: 02
                  0
                  Quote: DEfindER
                  Why do you think so?

                  Well, probably from talking with people, with people, so to speak.
                  And about the fact that the state offers its services, this is a separate conversation. After all, this, of course, is not done for free. And not all countries agree to accept our help from the state. And I do not remember cases when we accepted someone else's. Remind me if you have anything to say.
                  1. DEfindER
                    DEfindER 11 September 2013 09: 37
                    0
                    Quote: Hedgehog
                    And not all countries agree to accept our help from the state.

                    Agree
                    Quote: Hedgehog
                    And I do not remember cases when we accepted someone else's. Remind me if you have anything to say.

                    And I about the same, it is extremely rare for us to offer it. The last thing I remember already wrote about the Italians, I even saw then their planes over Samara Luka extinguished by forest fires. And why should we refuse help when the situation is critical, the people would not understand this ..
                2. Raiven
                  Raiven 12 September 2013 15: 39
                  0
                  ours, too, seem to have sent someone to extinguish
                  RB
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          2. KG_patriot_last
            KG_patriot_last 10 September 2013 15: 47
            +2
            We sent feasible humanitarian assistance. No need to misinform.
          3. I'm Russian
            I'm Russian 10 September 2013 17: 42
            0
            Russia is engaged, ...., in all kinds of humanitarian assistance to blacks, the Ministry of Emergency Situations planes fly with food and medicine abroad to all kinds of natives, but in their own country people die of hunger, do not receive proper medical care, live in barracks --- how is it necessary? ! Most likely, the authorities do not need their own people, they will die out so ... but the Negroes must be saved ... humanities, damn them.
            1. Dovmont
              Dovmont 11 September 2013 19: 16
              0
              This is who in Russia recently died of hunger? And at the expense of medical care is also more careful, we still have it less, compared with Transcaucasia and Central Asia!
      5. Hleb
        Hleb 10 September 2013 13: 08
        +8
        donkey ears
        1. novobranets
          novobranets 10 September 2013 16: 00
          0
          Toyama Tokanawa ripped off chi sho? request
      6. Dilshat
        Dilshat 10 September 2013 18: 43
        +5
        Well, yes, he told them: As long as there are American bases in Japan there is nothing to talk about. And the truth is, what kind of negotiations can be with the occupied country.
      7. timurpl
        timurpl 10 September 2013 21: 51
        0
        Quote: Canep
        "They'll get the ears of a dead donkey, and not ...

        Beautiful! - not unfortunately, no ...
        -If I'm not mistaken, then Zhiglov spoke about Sharapov.
    2. domokl
      domokl 10 September 2013 08: 06
      25
      Quote: links
      need to quickly populate all the Kuril Islands

      By whom, let me ask? By population, Russia and Japan are quite comparable, but by territory? In the Kuril Islands we have either the military or those who cannot leave. There is nowhere.
      Until we make this region economically attractive, until moving there becomes a dream of the young and ambitious, nothing will come of it. The only option is to strengthen the military presence and finally replace the buried ISs with modern weapons there.
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 10 September 2013 08: 41
        15
        Quote: domokl
        By whom, let me ask?

        Alexander, hi ! Desirable by "Bastions" and "Iskander". A lot is unnecessary, a few "families". Two years ago, the media kept repeating about the installation of "Bastion" by Russia in the Kuril Islands, Japan expressed regret about this. You need to go to meet the Japanese so that their regrets are not in vain. wink .
        1. domokl
          domokl 10 September 2013 09: 03
          +9
          Quote: Tersky
          ! Desirable by "Bastions" and "Iskander"

          Victor Categorically hi And I won’t argue. I’ll just add. And the fleet needs to be strengthened so that I don’t get too drunk on my schooners ...
          1. Stiletto
            Stiletto 10 September 2013 09: 50
            +4
            We should not quarrel with the Japanese now (right now so far), Russia does not need a second front, as long as there is confusion with Syria. Putin acted politically wisely - the Japanese have been dreaming of the Kuril Islands for so many years - and he did not take away this childhood dream from them with harsh categorical statements. If you want hikivaki - here you have hikivaki, even harakiri with sepuku. As they say, it’s not harmful to dream - it’s harmful not to dream ...
          2. Basarev
            Basarev 15 February 2014 16: 41
            0
            Resume the construction of the Sharks under the modernized project, build several dozen boats and send it to the Kuril Islands as part of the underwater strike group.
        2. Misantrop
          Misantrop 10 September 2013 09: 59
          15
          Quote: Tersky
          Desirable by "Bastions" and "Iskander"
          It's just flora. Fauna is also needed. At least 971 "Bars", if newer ones are needed in other places. And bird watchers will certainly say that the fauna will not be complete without birds. Desirable - overflights, so that they can reach the USA without refueling lol Well, the feathered stuff from the Sukhoi Design Bureau, MIG, etc. And where the military will come, there the infrastructure will tighten
          1. Tersky
            Tersky 10 September 2013 16: 02
            +6
            Quote: Misantrop
            It is just flora. Fauna is also needed.

            Totally agree yes , everything in the "ecosystem" in the Kuril Islands should be balanced wink
          2. Basarev
            Basarev 15 February 2014 16: 44
            0
            And certainly reptiles! A large population of Crocodiles and Alligators will improve the fauna of the Kuril Islands.
      2. Papakiko
        Papakiko 10 September 2013 09: 04
        +7
        Good day, Alexander.
        Quote: domokl
        until moving there becomes a dream of young and ambitious

        It smacks of BAM and not Skolkovo. (I won’t scare the views of BAM villages, towns, towns)
        Quote: domokl
        While we will not this region is attractive economically

        Is this after the Fukushima ongoing plums?
        The population of the islands of Japonchi,
        Hokaido : 5,474 million (March 31, 2012) Area: 83 km Population density 454 people / km²
        Honshu- Area 227969,74 km² Population (2010) 100 million people Population density 000 people / km².
        Kyushu- Area 40 km² Population (600) 2010 people Population density 12 people / km²
        Shikoku - Area 18806,21 km², Population (2010) 3 981 517 people.Density 211,713 people / km²
        (This is not counting the population of nearly 2000 small islands)
        Naturally, it’s clear that monkeys prefer warmth wink
        Quote: domokl
        The only option to strengthen the military presence

        Almost no alternative option.

        The only thing is if they are exempt from taxes in general and following the example of the UAE with the registration of "Legal entities". Then a "miracle" will happen.
        "Eco tourism" - .................. more dots than words for or against.

        For example, I will give "Lena Pillars" -Every year, the park receives from 8 to 11 thousand tourists. Parking "Lena Pillars" is experiencing significant man-made pressure. Visiting a large number of tourists during one season of PP negatively affects the environment (trampling, collection of plants and their parts (roots, flowers, fruits, etc.) for various purposes, pollution by waste, etc.)
        1. domokl
          domokl 10 September 2013 09: 10
          10
          Quote: Papakiko
          "Eco tourism" - .................. more dots than words for or against.

          laughing A good thought .. Only from the places of deployment of money bags to the ecological paradise are two elbows on the map. Not everyone wants to admire.
          But salaries can be made sky-high by the state. So that Kamchadals can fly to Moscow for a weekend to drink beer ...
          1. Papakiko
            Papakiko 10 September 2013 09: 41
            +4
            Quote: domokl
            So that Kamchadals could fly to Moscow for a weekend to drink beer ...

            Easier and cheaper for Hawaii or Southeast Asia and better beer and fruits from the "garden" and not from the markets.
            Quote: domokl
            But salaries can be made sky-high for the state.

            To officials and TOPmanagers, they can do it, this at a time.
            At the settlement of the Kuril Islands, you can look at the settlement of Antarctica.
      3. Garyk701
        Garyk701 10 September 2013 09: 28
        -4
        You can populate homosexuals there, and let them multiply. And then you can completely populated the island and give it to the Japanese along with the inhabitants. Well, only so that the population density is no less than Honshu.
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 10 September 2013 10: 03
          +6
          Quote: Garyk701
          You can populate homosexuals there
          Let them settle in Kolyma; there, too, the population density is small. Or to Chukotka. Nehren them create natural paradise conditions
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 10 September 2013 21: 43
            -1
            Quote: Misantrop
            Let them settle in Kolyma; there, too, the population density is small. Or to Chukotka. Nehren them create natural paradise conditions

            Stop wait! stop After all, we decided that we would send homosexuals to Europe and the states, now the demand is for them!
        2. domokl
          domokl 10 September 2013 12: 23
          +1
          Quote: Garyk701
          You can populate homosexuals there, and let them multiply

          Well, bent laughing There, not many can live with a normal orientation, and even these ... There are real ones there .. So that a man means a man, a woman means a woman.
        3. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 10 September 2013 13: 03
          +3
          Quote: Garyk701
          You can populate homosexuals there, and let them multiply.

          No no no! These are only in the northern half of Novaya Zemlya. Well, or to the area of ​​the Semipalatinsk test site, if the Kazakhs allow. They die out anyway. It would be necessary to help the poor fools stupid.
        4. idealist
          idealist 10 September 2013 18: 16
          0
          Maybe we will give your settlement to the Japanese ???? And populated by buggers ????
      4. Uncle
        Uncle 10 September 2013 11: 57
        +3
        Quote: domokl
        By whom, let me ask?

        You can act like a tsarist government, organize a settlement there for exiles, as in Sakhalin. Part of the term in prison, part on free bread on the island. Harvest fish, for example.
      5. DEfindER
        DEfindER 10 September 2013 16: 55
        +1
        Quote: domokl
        Until we make this region economically attractive, until moving there becomes a dream of the young and ambitious, nothing will come of it.

        The problem is that the geology of the islands does not allow building large cities there, so we still need to figure out how to use them, perhaps with the development of regional aviation and sea transport, these islands will become closer to us and begin to develop themselves. In the meantime, they are ideally suited only for military purposes as a defensive line, and control over the North Pacific.
        1. idealist
          idealist 10 September 2013 18: 18
          0
          Given the weather, I doubt that there will ever be a normal air connection
      6. novobranets
        novobranets 10 September 2013 17: 47
        +2
        Quote: domokl
        The only option is to strengthen the military presence and finally replace the buried ISs with modern weapons there.

        In the Kuril Islands you need a good fortified area, with the means to detect and destroy the enemy. Those firing points that are there (buried tanks) have long turned into rusty trash.
    3. Mitek
      Mitek 10 September 2013 08: 27
      +5
      Quote: links
      The impudence of the Japanese knows no boundaries, it is necessary to quickly populate all the Kuril Islands

      I'm of course paranoid, but he said STE after the summit it turns out? And they met with the chief peacemaker ... it turns out that the narrow promised support to the black "if something happens"? And for this, the entire Kuril ridge at least ..
    4. Crocodile
      Crocodile 10 September 2013 08: 36
      +3
      To make the Kuril Islands attractive for young people is complicated ... It is necessary to build housing, create economic infrastructure, guarantee economic benefits, etc. But to begin with, it is necessary to strengthen the defense potential. Not one step back! Japan wants to sign a peace treaty - please, but without territorial concessions! But actually a great place for representatives of the fifth column! Collect them together, let them build their dreams, and the rest of Russia will look and make a choice!
      1. domokl
        domokl 10 September 2013 09: 07
        +7
        Quote: Crocodile
        Making the Kuril Islands attractive for young people is complicated ..

        And who said that this is easy? But we have experience ... the USSR had quite normal conditions there. I remember how my colleagues went to Sakhalin. Nobody ached. Benefits, money and the opportunity to serve where you want after 10 years ..Well, and for some reason I recollected stories about mugs, which you can hide from the rain. wink
        For now, we are only talking more talkatively. People are fleeing as far as possible to the mainland ...
        1. Crocodile
          Crocodile 10 September 2013 09: 23
          +1
          We drove losers there - voluntarily - forcibly, sent diplomas by mail, and you go after him! As the USSR collapsed, everyone rushed back ...
      2. Papakiko
        Papakiko 10 September 2013 09: 51
        +5
        Quote: Crocodile
        But actually a great place for representatives of the fifth column! Collect them together, let them build their dreams, and the rest of Russia will look and make a choice!

        From Crimea, some suggested making Jewish autonomy.
        And the representatives of the "fifth-tenth" column on the next day will collect a "referendum" from among the residents and will sell for "inexpensive" mattress or samurai.

        The "fifth-tenth column" should be taken to Antarctica. Nekhai master with liberal values ​​and international freedoms.
        1. Crocodile
          Crocodile 10 September 2013 10: 37
          0
          But this does not mean at all that to give them the right to decide on the status of the islands!
          Quote: Papakiko
          And the representatives of the "fifth-tenth" column on the next day will collect a "referendum" from among the residents and will sell for "inexpensive" mattress or samurai.

          With which they will show their degree ...
          1. DIMAS
            DIMAS 11 September 2013 06: 29
            0
            And that someone doubted her ????????????????
        2. novobranets
          novobranets 10 September 2013 16: 07
          0
          Quote: Papakiko
          The "fifth-tenth column" should be taken to Antarctica.

          They need to be transported no closer than the moon, and parachuted from the orbit. yes
        3. Basarev
          Basarev 15 February 2014 16: 59
          0
          You can't go to Antarctica - gigantic resources will be squandered
          1. Cynic
            Cynic 15 February 2014 17: 20
            0
            Quote: Basarev
            You can’t go to Antarctica

            Why, I think the killer whales will not be against. Some seals have become boring.
    5. Phoeniks
      Phoeniks 10 September 2013 09: 22
      +6
      Yeah, the guest workers should be sent there; let them learn at the same time and let the Japs do it in the markets))))
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    7. aviator_IAS
      aviator_IAS 10 September 2013 10: 53
      +4
      Quote: links
      The impudence of the Japanese knows no boundaries, it is necessary to quickly populate all the Kuril Islands


      And why is it necessary to populate? Military facilities are needed there, but strictly by necessity. But civilians why torment? The climate there is not heavenly. Earthquakes, tsunamis, weather disasters, etc. Supply is problematic. You can find more suitable places for living. In general, it all depends on work and living conditions. Where better there and run. Alaska is also sparsely populated. In any case, the Kuril Islands is a purely domestic problem. For example, I did not plant potatoes on a part of my garden, but left it empty. Well, you never know, maybe I was going to put a brazier there. bully . How should this concern the narrow-eyed neighbor, who constantly looks at me through the fence?

      In addition to the islands themselves, for some reason many people forget the water borders, and a fair amount of water on which the Japanese also sharpen their teeth.
      1. Aryan
        Aryan 10 September 2013 11: 25
        +7
        he goes one way, and his roof the other way ... yes
        1. alone
          alone 10 September 2013 16: 47
          +6
          After the Olympics, Japan wanted the Southern Kuriles


          maybe he can also give the keys to the apartment where the money is !!
          1. novobranets
            novobranets 10 September 2013 17: 41
            +5
            If you hypothetically assume, well, they gave the Kuril to the Japanese today, so what? Rest assured, they will demand Sakhalin tomorrow. wassat
            1. Valery Neonov
              Valery Neonov 11 September 2013 02: 47
              0
              hi And they can at once, but already demand it.
    8. Hon
      Hon 10 September 2013 11: 32
      +5
      urgent need to do the production of lip-rolling machines, the Japanese have an acute need for them
    9. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 10 September 2013 12: 51
      +2
      Quote: links
      need to quickly populate all the Kuril Islands

      Great offer, but it’s not yet painted out who exactly to populate. Where to get migrants? Or is this post written from the queue for tickets at the Novosibirsk railway station?
      1. pri3rak
        pri3rak 10 September 2013 13: 27
        +3
        Most likely from the feeling of patriotism, alas, a person sitting at a computer in his apartment
      2. Basarev
        Basarev 15 February 2014 17: 06
        0
        Personally, I am ready to go to live in the Kuril Islands even now - if all the work is done for me and I can only get on the train.
    10. sub307
      sub307 10 September 2013 13: 05
      +1
      Good suggestion, you know. Who is the first to go "check in"? Please write upon arrival.
    11. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 10 September 2013 13: 08
      +2
      Quote: links
      The impudence of the Japanese knows no boundaries, it is necessary to quickly populate all the Kuril Islands


      Military camps and landfills for toxin waste.
      1. pri3rak
        pri3rak 10 September 2013 13: 39
        0
        Just move the capital, at the same time, and the infrastructure will be adjusted)
    12. pri3rak
      pri3rak 10 September 2013 13: 11
      +1
      Well, rather it was not bent, but a historical memory. And how can they not get used to the fact that they more (and, in principle, never) did not belong
    13. AVV
      AVV 10 September 2013 13: 47
      0
      A hole from the bagel, you see how his lips rolled out on our islands !!!
    14. Siberian German
      Siberian German 10 September 2013 14: 21
      +4
      my sister lives on Sakhalin so their opinion is something like this - under the Japanese there was a good development - roads were built there and bridges are still used there and people sometimes say that it’s better to be Japanese than to live with our modern mess - that’s what you need to think about . By the way, my sister has not come to us since Yeltsin - there is no money, but now she needs more than 100000 rubles to come with her family
    15. Hunghuz
      Hunghuz 10 September 2013 15: 22
      +2
      hi So who to populate? In the last century, there were Dobroflot ships and transported Svidomites through Odessa to Vladivostok, and now ....... ???
    16. IRON_MAN
      IRON_MAN 10 September 2013 17: 11
      +5
      Settle - right, only by whom? request And on Sakhalin, if it goes on like this, our soon will not be left ... Urgent measures need to be taken, programs should be implemented, subsidies increased (only those that will really work, and not feed the bureaucrats). The demographic problem of the whole Far East, it is high time to put in the category of strategic threats!
    17. left-wing
      left-wing 10 September 2013 17: 37
      +2
      Everything is quite simple, halve federal funding for some Caucasian republics, and with this money create favorable conditions for living in the Kuril Islands, jobs allowance for salaries, pensions, preferential housing, and develop infrastructure. With the right approach, you can quickly develop these islands.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 15 February 2014 17: 08
        0
        And it’s better to completely transfer the republics to self-sufficiency - it doesn’t matter when Caucasian evil spirits live better than Russians.
    18. Gladiatir-zlo
      Gladiatir-zlo 10 September 2013 20: 31
      +2
      “Once again (countless) times, the Japanese prime minister touched upon the issue of concluding a peace treaty between Japan and the Russian Federation, and, as you know, its conclusion rests on the Southern Kuriles, which the Land of the Rising Sun stubbornly wants to see in its composition. its status (the status of the state that lost in the Second World War), "
      Either the author himself did not fully understand the issue, or he considers us to be idiots. Only the article is painfully contradictory. Firstly, a peace treaty is not concluded with a warring country that has signed unconditional surrender. And peace comes on the basis of the decision of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR, it was so with Germany, so it was with Japan. And neither the Germans are prevented by either the absence of a peace treaty or friendship with us. But the Japanese interfere. To begin with, let him restore the sovereignty lost with the signing of the act of unconditional surrender, and there will appear the subject of discussion for equal countries. In the meantime, that Germany, that Japan, are just under-states, regardless of economic and financial development. Something like this.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 15 February 2014 17: 10
        0
        Kuril Islands is a Russian territory.
        1. Cynic
          Cynic 15 February 2014 17: 28
          0
          Quote: Basarev
          Kuril Islands is a Russian territory.

          What are you talking about?
          By and large it is Nippon cocu should I think if it’s based on Russian zemlyots?
          Or do they think the indigenous population is almost exhausted and that’s it?
          This is for now.
    19. alexdol
      alexdol 13 September 2013 21: 21
      0
      links SU "..., we need to quickly populate all the Kuril Islands"
      -------------------------------------------------- ----
      Yes, it is necessary to settle, but with whom? CHINESE or what? They will soon "peacefully" occupy the entire Far East in our country!
  2. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 10 September 2013 07: 28
    15
    The Japanese were completely blind ... am A hole to them from a bagel, not the Kuril Islands! fool I hope the Kremlin has the same opinion.
    1. IRBIS
      IRBIS 10 September 2013 08: 53
      +1
      Quote: Valery Neonov
      The Japanese were completely blind.

      They are naturally narrow. The Japanese are already born with obscured eyes. wink
  3. Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 10 September 2013 07: 29
    +5
    Dreams, dreams - the nostalgia of the Japanese political leadership has pronounced medical deviations.
    1. domokl
      domokl 10 September 2013 08: 10
      +1
      Quote: Lech s ZATULINKI
      Dreams, dreams - the nostalgia of the Japanese political leadership

      But what about the appearance of the Russian statement, at one time, on the joint use of the Kuril Islands? Is this not our concession? As soon as the Japanese play some kind of elections at home, the problem worsens. And all the rather tough statements, for example, Putin, they pass ears.
    2. 225chay
      225chay 10 September 2013 08: 35
      +1
      Quote: Lech s ZATULINKI
      Dreams, dreams - the nostalgia of the Japanese political leadership has pronounced medical deviations.

      Yaponisa Cigar Ishiba smoked something ... as you know Dumka gets richer
  4. C-600
    C-600 10 September 2013 07: 32
    +2
    The territory in the Barents Sea was given to Norway, one and a half islands were given to the Chinese. Maybe you can give in to the Japs?
    1. Lech from ZATULINKI
      Lech from ZATULINKI 10 September 2013 07: 41
      12
      Well, this is for the Kremlin leadership — the transfer of our territories to a foreign state without the approval of the people — it has always been considered a betrayal.
      1. C-600
        C-600 10 September 2013 07: 42
        +7
        What are we talking about. Where are the guarantees that they will not betray the country for the third time?
    2. C-600
      C-600 10 September 2013 07: 59
      11
      Why minus that, dear? Did I give our territories to foreigners?
    3. domokl
      domokl 10 September 2013 08: 13
      18
      Quote: C-600
      The territory in the Barents Sea was given to Norway, one and a half islands were given to the Chinese. Maybe you can give in to the Japs?

      I would add a fairly decent shelf of the Bering Strait to the Americans. It seems to me that it is time to accept the amendment to the Constitution of the Russian Federation that territorial issues can be resolved only through a popular referendum. It is not otherwise. Depending on the decision of one or a team, some kind of Russia can no longer. We remember this ever-drunk conductor .. Mother of him ...
      1. C-600
        C-600 10 September 2013 08: 30
        +6
        Amendments to the constitution have recently been adopted, I would say, more for personal purposes than for popular purposes. But they don’t like such reasoning, so I take my leave.
      2. Airman
        Airman 10 September 2013 08: 35
        +1
        Quote: domokl
        Quote: C-600
        The territory in the Barents Sea was given to Norway, one and a half islands were given to the Chinese. Maybe you can give in to the Japs?

        I would add a fairly decent shelf of the Bering Strait to the Americans. It seems to me that it is time to accept the amendment to the Constitution of the Russian Federation that territorial issues can be resolved only through a popular referendum. It is not otherwise. Depending on the decision of one or a team, some kind of Russia can no longer. We remember this ever-drunk conductor .. Mother of him ...

        So after all, they also know that on the sly you can sell half of Russia, and through a referendum - not an inch of land, that’s what they make shit.mocratic laws. Indeed, in a referendum, the people spoke out in favor of preserving the USSR, and EBNatik put the opinion of the people in favor of the West.
        1. C-600
          C-600 10 September 2013 08: 40
          +4
          China, Norwegians (and the United States) did not give EBN territory, but other, very specific people.
    4. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 10 September 2013 08: 33
      0
      I hope that about the Barents Sea and one and a half islands to the Chinese, you are AN annoyed ..
      1. C-600
        C-600 10 September 2013 08: 44
        +3
        This is called sarcasm.
  5. NOMADE
    NOMADE 10 September 2013 07: 35
    +3
    To the Japanese - "Take a Nakusi". I hope our tops will not drain this natural treasure! smile
    1. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 10 September 2013 10: 27
      +2
      You spoke Japanese directly
      1. NOMADE
        NOMADE 11 September 2013 02: 36
        +1
        Well, so the neighborhood obliges and so they are more understandable and phonetic receptive laughing
  6. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 10 September 2013 07: 36
    11
    Let's end up in Sochi - 2014 demand Istanbul, or something, he is Constantinople. It’s necessary to somehow repel this olympiad somehow. But seriously, after Fukushima, the land of suitable land became very small and the pressure on neighbors will only increase.
    1. King
      King 10 September 2013 07: 52
      +5
      Judge for yourself how they can put pressure on us. we, with good politics, can put pressure on them because our economy is little dependent on them. and the Japanese will be shaken very seriously without our raw materials and export of equipment. to wean the Japs to claim our 4 islands. I believe that they need to be renamed. Let's say Iturup - in honor of our traveler Fedor Konyukhov, etc. in his presidency, Medvedev visited these islands, remember how dissatisfied the Japs were. and Medvedev said - our territory where I want to go there and come. This action is one of the few positive aspects of the presidency of Medvedev.
      1. idealist
        idealist 10 September 2013 18: 27
        +2
        The names of the islands are not Japanese, but the names of the former indigenous inhabitants - the Ainu. They also came up with the names. For example Kunashir means "Black earth"
        So do not rename
        1. Asgard
          Asgard 10 September 2013 19: 12
          +1
          Yes, that is right...
          Moreover, Ainu in Japan, the elite of society, when it was a fighting clan of the Slavs. But then, due to the mixing of Human DNA with Japanese, SAMURAI appeared, cruel, pragmatic people Chinese))))
          Then the Saxons appeared there. opium,
          export of tea and everything fell into tartarara ...... at that time the empire TARTARIA sank into oblivion, they were defeated by the Romanovs ...
          Manchuria and the Amur region passed to China, then these were the Slav lands (primordially))
          The Japanese began to settle with Hokkaido in the direction of Sakhalin, indulged by the Saxons, and due to all sorts of betrayals and intrigues, they won a number of dubious victories ...
          Stalin restored justice (iscon)) + loss in hostilities ....
          Moreover, Japan signed the surrender in connection with the entry into the war against them of the Soviet units, and not the bombing (testing) of US nuclear bombs .....

          Now, regarding the islands, the Japanese have nowhere to develop economically, so the joint use of territories would be reasonable when registering enterprises not offshore but on the territory of Russia, with a residence permit being granted to Japanese citizens (the former are all Slavs)))))

          But not with this power, otherwise there will be a "Kosovo" ........
          So do not give an inch on the basis of the second world ....
          And no state corporations for the development of the "States of Siberia and the Far East" ...
          1. densh
            densh 11 September 2013 01: 04
            0
            Then you can push about America: It is inhabited by Indians, direct descendants of Slavic immigrants from Slavic Siberia. belay
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    1. Lech from ZATULINKI
      Lech from ZATULINKI 10 September 2013 07: 47
      15
      Well, there is no need to misinterpret - ABKHAZIA is an independent state and does not belong to RUSSIA.
      Then the Crimea you received can be said for just so- RUSSIA for a century conquered it from the Turks and GIVED IT TO YOU, you can say for free without demanding anything in return.
      Japan is certainly worse than us, if only because it will creep into our territories.
      Well, PUSHKINA can be quoted ad infinitum and under various pretexts.
      1. DDA
        DDA 10 September 2013 08: 03
        +8
        I fully agree with you +, I want to add that Abkhazia and Ossetia also got to Georgia just like that, if I am not mistaken in terms of enlarging administrative territories. Well, about the plans of Georgia regarding the population of these territories, it is better not to say Gamsakhurdia's quote "Ossetians are rubbish on our territory that must be swept out with a nasty Georgian broom."
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 10 September 2013 14: 07
          +1
          Quote: DDA
          filthy Georgian broom "

          How exactly did he describe the Georgians negative "filthy Georgian broom".
      2. Dober
        Dober 10 September 2013 09: 25
        +2
        Quote: Lech s ZATULINKI
        PUSHKIN can be quoted ad infinitum and under various pretexts.

        Can.
        Tovarisch gave a bad example. Just pulled out of context.
        In fact, the meaning of the verse can be extrapolated to the actions of the Ukrainian authorities both in general and in individual issues. I think everyone will find analogies -

        From the all-night evening going home,
        Antipievna and Marfushka scolded;
        Antipyevna was perfectly excited.
        "Wait," he shouts, "I'll handle you;

        You think that I already forgot
        That night when, climbing into the corner,
        Are you and your godson Vanyushka naughty?
        Wait, hubby will find out about everything! "

        - You must threaten! - Marfushka replies:
        Vanyusha - what? After all, he is still a child;
        And matchmaker Trofim, which you have
        Both day and night? The whole city knows that.

        Be quiet, Kuma: and you, like me, are sinful,
        And you will break every word;
        In someone else's pi ... e straw you see
        But you don’t even see logs.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 10 September 2013 07: 49
      +9
      Quote: Drakk
      Well, yes, only Russia is allowed to send troops into foreign territories with the aim of capturing (Abkhazia).

      Forgive my dear, plus you mistakenly set. And Crimea YES Russian !!!
      1. Babon
        Babon 10 September 2013 10: 35
        +3
        Why don’t you remember everything? In the Russian Empire, neither the Donbass, nor Kharkov, nor the Crimea, nor Chernigov, nor Odessa were Ukraine, all these were Russian lands. But in the 20th century, our rulers annexed all these lands to Ukraine, and even the Germans helped in the Brest Peace. So they gave it, they gave it land, and it’s not worth wondering why in Russia they are worried about where Ukraine will enter. With half donated our lands, and to stand up to us.
    3. koksalek
      koksalek 10 September 2013 07: 57
      +9
      Quote: Drakk

      And a state still in a state of war with Russia (the successor of the USSR) has the right to demand anything until a peace treaty is signed and all points above and are placed.

      As Russia can demand anything from Japan as a victorious country
      1. lewerlin53rus
        lewerlin53rus 10 September 2013 08: 25
        +1
        Quote: koksalek
        As Russia can demand anything from Japan as a victorious country

        Yes, and to overcome the Yapes a couple more islands, it is possible without a declaration of war, there is no peace treaty. Just Mistral will arrive in time soon (well, this is so, in principle, as a development of thought)
    4. S-200
      S-200 10 September 2013 08: 15
      +1
      What is allowed to Zeus is not allowed to the bull ...
    5. Egoza
      Egoza 10 September 2013 08: 26
      +4
      Quote: Drakk
      And a state that is still at war with Russia (the successor of the USSR) has the right to demand anything,

      A LOST war country has no right to DEMAND! And if the peace treaty is not signed, then let him try to continue that war. And whose will it take? Let him try to recapture "their" islands!
      1. Airman
        Airman 10 September 2013 08: 45
        +3
        Quote: Egoza
        Quote: Drakk
        And a state that is still at war with Russia (the successor of the USSR) has the right to demand anything,

        A LOST war country has no right to DEMAND! And if the peace treaty is not signed, then let him try to continue that war. And whose will it take? Let him try to recapture "their" islands!

        More often it is necessary to send a couple of TU-95s there with a "call" into the airspace for 99 seconds, they will think less about the islands.
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 10 September 2013 13: 14
          +2
          Quote: Povshnik
          less will think about the islands.

          So you’ll get used to it quickly and stop paying attention if the amers allow.
          1. Airman
            Airman 10 September 2013 18: 08
            +2
            Quote: Hedgehog
            Quote: Povshnik
            less will think about the islands.

            So you’ll get used to it quickly and stop paying attention if the amers allow.

            After the events in the area of ​​Lake Zhalanashkol (read the village of Druzhba), a reinforced battalion on an armored personnel carrier was redeployed there on a shift basis. Our RLR on a shift basis was on alert there. The battalion commander practiced the actions of the battalion in the offensive. And when the battalion in deployed order in this narrow gorge launched an attack on the Chinese border, the Chinese probably screwed up in their trenches. 200 meters from the state border, all equipment stood up, stood a little, and, starting from the left flank, began to turn back. If ret of the peace treaty with the Yapas, then we are in a state of war, and if so, then let them be ready for our "claims" to the Japanese islands. War is war, and the strongest wins. Do they need it?
            1. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak 10 September 2013 21: 56
              0
              Quote: Povshnik
              let them be ready for our "claims" to the Japanese islands.

              Except for one little thing. Two islands were promised by Khrushchev and this promise was confirmed by the Supreme Council. I won’t tell you, here’s a reference.
              http://www.kp.ru/radio/stenography/54041/
              Have a good reading. drinks
          2. Basarev
            Basarev 15 February 2014 17: 54
            0
            And what kind of wind are the Americans doing there? It was not they who won Japan, in a good way our contingent should be there instead of the American one.
            1. Cynic
              Cynic 15 February 2014 18: 29
              0
              Quote: Basarev
              It’s not they who defeated Japan,

              Also to raise their (yusovsky) landfill?
      2. 77bor1973
        77bor1973 10 September 2013 09: 36
        +1
        The fact of the matter is that, in my opinion, the initiators of the peace treaty are the Japanese, and against the background of the past years, it is so far as to us, so that let everything remain as before.
    6. Alyoha
      Alyoha 10 September 2013 12: 53
      +1
      You, Khakhels, do not understand ... 50% (if not more) of you are rats, thieves, drug addicts and alcoholics, the same is with your "elite", only the elite you have at all times (your ness) consists exclusively of rats ... Your country is flawed, your people are flawed (not all), your language "synthetic" is a complete mess, your nation is invented, you are Russians, well, there are no Ukrainians genetically, this is the same as a cat considers itself a cow, but it is still a cat, only bad. All that little good that you have is from the Russians, industry, technology, the lives of yours and your children, all this is only thanks to the Russians. And your nation is like rats (I repeat, not all), there is not even gratitude. Of course, I am against the entry of Ukraine into the EU, but on the other hand, you yourself will run from there, you won't be able to sit on your neck like here))) And we will take the Donbass, Crimea and Sevastopol from you, because these are Russian lands and Russian people there live. And let the svidomy rats go to Europe under the tail, they are still freeloaders, though then they will cry about the "brotherhood of peoples" and ask back to the Russian around the neck. In Europe, nobody needs you, except of course your women, they are in great demand there (price-quality ratio, cheap and beautiful).
  8. Pit
    Pit 10 September 2013 07: 42
    +4
    Or maybe even jam the back with jam. Although no, I agree, we are the South Kuril Islands, and they are Hokaido and Honshu. Let us at a loss, but oh well, survive winked
  9. DDA
    DDA 10 September 2013 07: 43
    +7
    It’s not what the Japanese want, but what they’re doing: in this way residents of the Kuril Islands can visit Japan without visa, get medical help there, get an education, etc. At the same time, they can’t get anything from the mainland of the Russian Federation except destroyed infrastructure, lack of communications, including normal transport links with the mainland + all other problems of the residents of the Far East. All the same, the government may think about the development of remote regions, but rather it will create a targeted program and begin to implement it. After all, if the lands are far from the center, but these are our lands and live, now they exist, our citizens are there.
    1. idealist
      idealist 10 September 2013 18: 34
      +1
      Things are not going so bad there: they began to build roads, new residential buildings, kindergartens ...
      Well, on Sakhalin, in general, the well-being of citizens is growing due to oil and gas production.
  10. Gur
    Gur 10 September 2013 07: 47
    +5
    Can't they spit in their mouths? Well, the Japanese are out of luck, you must be so wiped out between two satellites, on the one hand WE are on the other China, and there are islands and there, and there are minerals, and there, and there is hell on the whole face and here. Just like in a joke: - "Chapay drinks vodka and you smoke." Squint further.
  11. j iz sibiri
    j iz sibiri 10 September 2013 07: 49
    -22 qualifying.
    Yes, they don’t give us these islands one harem from them I would give them

    just before that, I would bury all the radioactive waste from Tomsk 7 and Krasnoyarsk 7 there and let them take it away and the whole problem would be solved for many years if not centuries
    1. DDA
      DDA 10 September 2013 08: 06
      13
      Hemorrhoids must be treated, and land should be given, moreover with enormous ibioresources and not only, it’s all the same that you’ll cut off your ass, it’s not going to be full
      1. lewerlin53rus
        lewerlin53rus 10 September 2013 08: 29
        +2
        Quote: DDA
        Yes, they don’t give us these islands one harem from them I would give them

        Well, yes, and then they will demand the entire Kuril ridge along with Sakhalin and Kamchatka
        1. DDA
          DDA 10 September 2013 08: 35
          0
          Not at all my quote !! More attentively please!
      2. j iz sibiri
        j iz sibiri 10 September 2013 08: 58
        0
        and what do you want to say that the island has more of your resources, as it were, than in Siberia

        I’m telling you that they can be torn apart is only a matter of time, but with radiation they will be unnecessary to anyone

        and everything on this is closed and there are no more problems, we don’t have them
      3. Dober
        Dober 10 September 2013 09: 18
        10
        Quote: DDA
        it’s all the same that the ass will be cut off, you won’t be full

        Well, no, you don't need to cut anything off, but you can give it a look ...
        He likes it now, but he likes it even after the lambiad ...
        But Cho, samurai ... You can see there some kind of thread "hunashir", al "iturup"?
      4. ziqzaq
        ziqzaq 10 September 2013 14: 20
        +3
        Quote: j iz sibiri
        Yes, they don’t give us these islands one harem from them I would give them

        This hemorrhoids in some types of campaigns inside grows, it’s already grown to the brain - they started to carry nonsense ...
      5. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 10 September 2013 14: 57
        +1
        Well, "some" believe that even after the "amputation" in the front, everything is very much even nothing ...
    2. Setrac
      Setrac 10 September 2013 14: 13
      +5
      Quote: j iz sibiri
      Yes, they don’t give us these islands one harem from them I would give them

      just before that, I would bury all the radioactive waste from Tomsk 7 and Krasnoyarsk 7 there and let them take it away and the whole problem would be solved for many years if not centuries

      American anti-submarine vessels and underwater hunters do not give a damn about the isolation of your vital products. For access to the Sea of ​​Okhotsk of the American Navy, Americans will give you more awards than Gorbachev for ALL of his merits.
  12. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 10 September 2013 07: 49
    +7
    from the Don.
    Wanting is not harmful! And yet. If negotiations on the ownership of the islands would be in favor of Japan, we need to hold a referendum! And so, how much our unfortunate leaders asked (read: traitors to the memory of the ancestors!). That would not have been secretly from us! And it is necessary to conduct exercises in the Far East more often to keep our neighbors in good shape!
    1. Crocodile
      Crocodile 10 September 2013 09: 26
      +2
      If only they wouldn’t merge in a quiet way like Damansky ... But like followers of EBN are currently not visible!
      1. borisjdin1957
        borisjdin1957 10 September 2013 10: 12
        +2
        from the Don.
        A fan of iPhones?
        1. Crocodile
          Crocodile 10 September 2013 10: 27
          0
          A moot point, but in 2008 the Bear earned quite +
          1. yur
            yur 10 September 2013 20: 49
            0
            2008, by no means, the merit of Medved. If his will he merged Abkhazia and South Ossetia, as Libya. IMHO.
            1. Arabist
              Arabist 10 September 2013 20: 52
              +1
              Oh really? I don’t like Medvedev myself, but firstly, nobody poured Libya, since it was not our ally. Secondly, our peacekeepers and citizens were killed in South Ossetia and Abkhazia, and therefore there is nothing to compare with Libya in principle.
  13. andrei332809
    andrei332809 10 September 2013 07: 52
    +5
    so what. from the east they bark, from the west they bark (see about the Baltic states). probably it is necessary in one direction, it doesn’t matter, in the east or in the west, it’s tough or even cruel to answer, and the second direction will shut itself up
  14. cobalt
    cobalt 10 September 2013 07: 52
    0
    The controversial situation in the Kuril Islands is not simple, the ownership of the islands has changed more than once, there are arguments in our favor, and the Japanese have their own arguments. As long as we are a strong power, it is necessary to defend the borders, but we will be weak, and without our demand everyone will be pulled apart.

    during the Edo period from 1633 to 1854, Japan pursued a policy of self-isolation. The Japanese were officially forbidden to build ocean-going ships and leave the state. The northern borders of Japan passed along the border of the principality of Matsumae (Matsumae county), located in the southernmost part of Hokkaido. Separate contacts between the inhabitants of this principality and the Ainu living in Hokkaido and the Kuril Islands were limited to separate commercial transactions that were not encouraged by the Japanese government.
    In 1778, the first contact occurred when the Russian merchant Pavel Sergeyevich Lebedev-Lastochkin arrived in the principality of Matsumae to establish trade and diplomatic relations.
    On February 7, 1855, Japan and Russia signed the first Russo-Japanese treaty, the Shimodsk Treaty on Trade and Borders. The document established the border of the countries between the islands of Iturup and Urup. The islands of Iturup, Kunashir, Shikotan and the group of Habomai islands departed to Japan, and the rest were recognized as Russian possessions. That is why February 7 in Japan is annually celebrated as the Day of the Northern Territories since 1981. At the same time, questions about the status of Sakhalin remained unresolved, which led to conflicts between Russian and Japanese merchants and sailors.
    On May 7, 1875, the St. Petersburg Treaty was signed, according to which Russia transferred to Japan the rights to all 18 Kuril Islands in exchange for the Japanese part of Sakhalin. Thus, the borders were finally settled. In 1905, according to the results of the Russo-Japanese War, the Portsmouth Peace Treaty was signed, according to which Russia ceded the southern part of Sakhalin to Japan. They defeated the islands and South Sakhalin only in 1945, so we will deal with the Japanese more than once on this subject.
    1. Lech from ZATULINKI
      Lech from ZATULINKI 10 September 2013 08: 01
      +8
      Sure, we will.
      And this is a fundamental question - will we give our territories (for various reasons) to the detriment of our people.
      What we will gain by giving this 4th Kuril Islands.
      We’ll get the notorious peace treaty with JAPAN. Hehe - this is how we have kept the Japanese at a distance for many years without it.
      We will get many more minuses by giving them. In addition to the fact that our fleet will be locked in this region, the American military bases will be automatically placed there.
      Further, our neighbors are Finns, Norwegians, Balts, Poles, etc. with a vengeance they will begin to demand that our regions bordering them be given away; well, many other troubles awaits us.
    2. Hleb
      Hleb 10 September 2013 08: 02
      +4
      what does it mean controversial, not simple? is our land much easier? why is this historical sketch? in the Kaliningrad region, Karelia also write down? our point! even thoughts should not appear about the analysis of historical moments (in this situation), even if there are a thousand they will have arguments ...
    3. Egoza
      Egoza 10 September 2013 08: 32
      +4
      Quote: cobalt
      In the 1905 year, as a result of the Russo-Japanese War, the Portsmouth Peace Treaty was signed, according to which Russia ceded the southern part of Sakhalin to Japan. They defeated the islands and South Sakhalin only in 1945, so we’ll deal with the Japanese more than once on this topic.

      So then it is. Only Russia was the successor of the USSR, not the tsarist government. Then Russia lost the war. Therefore, she gave up the territory, and then Japan lost the war along with Hitler. So let them be silent in a rag.
  15. pensioner
    pensioner 10 September 2013 07: 53
    +1
    The message was approximately as follows: today we got the right to host the Olympic Games in 2020, and tomorrow, with the same pressure, we will get the Kuril Islands back ...

    In Russia, the message will be more concise ... Usually 3 letters are enough ... Thank you Alexey!
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 10 September 2013 08: 58
      14
      I forgot. Now you can send even more succinctly:
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 10 September 2013 10: 36
        +5
        Quote: retired
        I forgot. Now you can send even more succinctly:

        Such a "hieroglyph" will be clearer to the Japanese good
      2. Yankuz
        Yankuz 10 September 2013 14: 47
        +4
        Well, just a wonderful character !!! To this topic!!!
      3. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 10 September 2013 20: 02
        +1
        Ay, yes ... GOOD MAN, Pensioner! +++ !!! The Japanese need to introduce this "hieroglyph" into their ... whatever ... in short, into their "alphabet"!
  16. starmos
    starmos 10 September 2013 07: 58
    +4
    Quote: Drakk
    Well, yes, only Russia is allowed to send troops into foreign territories with the aim of capturing (Abkhazia). Only Russians are allowed to shout at every corner - return Crimea, our Crimea, and so on. Are you better than the Japanese ???

    belay It’s even inconvenient to ask what and you from which planet came to us and for what purpose? lol
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 10 September 2013 10: 56
      +2
      Quote: starmos
      Even somehow it’s inconvenient to ask, and from which planet did you come to us and for what purpose?

      From the planet Drach laughing
      (“My Enemy” is an American film that won the “Hugo” and “Nebula” awards in the 1985 year, the prize of the Avoriaz International Film Festival (“Avoriaz-86”). An adaptation of the novel by the same name by American science fiction writer Barry Longyear.)
    2. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 10 September 2013 20: 07
      0
      So what do you want from him, his name is Drekk, this explains everything ...
  17. NOMADE
    NOMADE 10 September 2013 07: 59
    +6
    Quote: j iz sibiri
    Yes, they don’t give us these islands one harem from them I would give them

    just before that, I would bury all the radioactive waste from Tomsk 7 and Krasnoyarsk 7 there and let them take it away and the whole problem would be solved for many years if not centuries


    Somehow I was at a joint meeting on the problem of the Kuril Islands (not in higher truth circles smile ). So after I heard from doctors of science what is there and in what quantity (especially titanium ..) and the estimated cost, as well as water resources (boundaries of territorial waters) and much more, I just went crazy ... The Japanese - to wind up kuknda on the fist, not the Kurilla. Another thing is that we ourselves do not really develop them, and this is bad and causes - a constant "erection" from Japan.
    1. j iz sibiri
      j iz sibiri 10 September 2013 08: 15
      -14 qualifying.
      and you want to say that in the same notorious Tomsk there is not a damn so you're wrong

      at the expense of Siberia and holds all this FUCKING(choose expressions! moderator) country
      Do you know how much this poison is in Siberian cities?

      so for me it’s better not to let these islands and Japan with them

      than the hearts of Russia SIBERIA
      1. DDA
        DDA 10 September 2013 08: 25
        +2
        There is such a political scientist Brzezinski, apparently your thoughts coincide!
        1. IGS
          IGS 10 September 2013 10: 20
          +4
          Here's something I often see how the nickname is associated with Siberia, so the feeling that Siberia is part of II ... or is it from those who held the exhibition "If Siberia were a part of the USA" ... or even the city of Tomsk with a small letters ... I just wrote yesterday, I'm tired of these passages about the razdle of the country. It's not easy for everyone. There is a proposal "Siberian" bring you to where it will be good for you, but call your Motherland a fucking one ... kill yourself, but quietly, without your screams, hysterical ("Siberian", damn it)
          1. j iz sibiri
            j iz sibiri 10 September 2013 10: 29
            -4
            I don’t know where you are from, but it doesn’t change matters.

            and fucking because it is a country (those in power)

            and the homeland is the people (and the people have had a hard time lately (acre of Moscow)
            so you think not far
            (and Tomsk with a small letter this is a little rush time)
            1. IGS
              IGS 10 September 2013 10: 41
              +2
              Well, look where I come from ... "distant", click on the nickname and you will be happy, divide the country and those in power, but in Moscow, ordinary people are not easier, smart guy. By the way, I wanted to ask, what did you mean by "so you don't think you are far away", do not rush, otherwise you either do not know Russian, or ... I am tormented by vague doubts "the ambassador has a medallion ... for Shpak ..." the Siberian is hysterical .. smile
  18. sergey72
    sergey72 10 September 2013 08: 01
    +3
    But doesn’t it crack at the japs?
  19. waisson
    waisson 10 September 2013 08: 01
    +2
    to hell with butter and not smoked angry angry angry
  20. domokl
    domokl 10 September 2013 08: 01
    +3
    It’s disgusting that practically nothing depends on the opinion of the people of the Russian Federation. God forbid any EBN-2 appears and that's all ... We’ll really lose the islands.
    In politics, as in relations with women. Once you understand that they need relations with men as much as we need relations with women, things are moving by leaps and bounds. Russia can now really live without Japan (given the development of Chinese industry and, accordingly, our import is from there), but Japan should already decide with whom it will be. With Russia, which has no acquisitions, or with China, which just plays cards purely according to the Japanese scenario ...
    1. Dimy4
      Dimy4 10 September 2013 08: 22
      +5
      If EBN-2 appears, then we will lose the whole country. But there is no soil for such an appearance yet; fairy tales about wonderful democracy you can’t buy us anymore - they have seen clearly.
  21. Koronik
    Koronik 10 September 2013 08: 02
    +6
    Yes, gentlemen agreed, everyone mixed in a heap, Crimea, the Kuril Islands, Alaska. I think the Crimea will return to Russia together with the entire eastern part by 2020. As soon as Ukraine enters the EU (an example of the Baltic states). And the islands will be by 2020 the parking lot of the Pacific Navy.
    1. IGS
      IGS 10 September 2013 10: 54
      +1
      Not such an incredible scenario.
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  25. Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 10 September 2013 08: 06
    +1
    "Visiting the settlement of Nemuro on the island of Hokkaido, I did not deny myself the nostalgic pleasure of admiring the beauty of the four Russian islands of the South Kuril ridge: Iturup, Kunashir, Shikotan and Habomai." - you need to put a couple of "Bastions" there and put a few S-300s - let him admire !!! laughing
  26. Hleb
    Hleb 10 September 2013 08: 11
    +2
    and about the fight at the Olympics and in Japan, including:In Buenos Aires, at the IOC session, the list of disciplines of the Olympic Games 2020 was approved. The fight remained in the program. Back in February, the executive committee of the International Olympic Committee recommended that this sport be excluded from the competition.
    It was supposed to replace it with baseball, softball or squash. But in a vote in Argentina, most delegates still supported the struggle
    1. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 10 September 2013 08: 36
      +2
      Quote: Gleb
      The fight remained in the program. Back in February, the executive committee of the International Olympic Committee recommended that this sport be excluded from the competition.

      Yes, they have a tendency right now. Try to exclude those sports in which Americans are full noobs, and ours are gods.
      1. Rumata
        Rumata 10 September 2013 23: 01
        0
        Quote: lewerlin53rus
        Yes, they have a tendency right now. Try to exclude those sports in which Americans are full noobs, and ours are gods.

        Are there such disciplines? I do not mean those to which Russia dominates, and those in which the United States does not take and did not take medals at all, that is, as you put it, noobs. In the overall standings, for all types of wrestling, the United States is in second place in terms of gold, after the USSR, and in first in total number of medals. In any separate discipline related to the struggle, they are also in the first or second place ...
  27. Tatarus
    Tatarus 10 September 2013 08: 19
    +6
    The Japanese want to review the results of the second world? Let's offer them to replay one on one. laughing
  28. dimon-media
    dimon-media 10 September 2013 08: 20
    +6
    They got it. Something needs to be done with these islands. That is, to populate, place coastal batteries from the Yakhont, put air defense systems (if there are none). There must be some movement. Be active. Otherwise, the yapes will still hope that we do not need these islands and they have a chance to return them. And regarding negotiations with the Japanese, one cannot be helpful and gentle. We need to firmly hold our position. NOT ! And that’s it. Fuck you on .. No, that’s rude. Although it can be so, if they do not understand humanly. Here's another thing: to consider territorial issues and the more so the possible transfer of land to another state, I consider it a betrayal and is tantamount to treason. How else?
    1. NOMADE
      NOMADE 10 September 2013 08: 26
      +2
      This is the thing! And then from the outside it seems - not to myself and not to others. There are no tough and active actions on our part, and the Japanese are excited, especially on the eve of parliamentary elections laughing
    2. j iz sibiri
      j iz sibiri 10 September 2013 08: 26
      +2
      and who are you going to populate these islands is interesting?

      the latter will soon run away from dv

      but I realized probably half of Moscow should be sent there so that their life does not seem to be honey
      1. DDA
        DDA 10 September 2013 08: 40
        -1
        I have already written about this, I repeat, if you do not need to resettle an attractive model of the economy and social infrastructure, people will go there themselves.
        1. j iz sibiri
          j iz sibiri 10 September 2013 09: 26
          0
          if so if grandfather would be a grandmother or grandmother grandfather

          gazprom balls come true
      2. Misantrop
        Misantrop 10 September 2013 10: 15
        +1
        Quote: j iz sibiri
        and who are you going to populate these islands is interesting?
        Military personnel and members of their families. The northern coast of the Kola Peninsula is populated by whom?
  29. NOMADE
    NOMADE 10 September 2013 08: 24
    0
    Quote: j iz sibiri
    and you want to say that in the same notorious Tomsk there is not a damn so you're wrong

    at the expense of siberia this whole country is held
    Do you know how much this poison is in Siberian cities?

    so for me it’s better not to let these islands and Japan with them

    than the hearts of Russia SIBERIA


    Sorry, of course, but I don’t see the logic of comparing the cities you have listed to the issue of the Kuril Islands. Or is it your logic to take so damn the Kuril Islands? They are, they are for now (I hope always) - ours. Japan, while it’s gundit, but doesn’t start active actions .., cannot take it by force. So why give them ????
    1. j iz sibiri
      j iz sibiri 10 September 2013 08: 36
      0
      about to give no one speaks literally

      it’s just that it’s better to store all the waste and on this topic I’ll smoke smoked once and for all

      and then with our rulers it is possible to prosrat everything and so we only benefit

      and Siberia will breathe a little



      (the Japanese visited us on nuclear waste so they were afraid to get off the bus)

      and we live and nitsche (catch the thought)
      1. MVS
        MVS 10 September 2013 19: 29
        0
        Quote: j iz sibiri

        (the Japanese visited us on nuclear waste so they were afraid to get off the bus)

        They were also afraid in Pyatigorsk from getting off the bus. Moreover, they quickly got out of town. They are everywhere, where at least a little fonit (in Pyatigorsk, the natural background is quite unfunny) behave this way.
        1. j iz sibiri
          j iz sibiri 11 September 2013 05: 43
          0
          Quote: MVS
          Quote: j iz sibiri

          (the Japanese visited us on nuclear waste so they were afraid to get off the bus)

          They were also afraid in Pyatigorsk from getting off the bus. Moreover, they quickly got out of town. They are everywhere, where at least a little fonit (in Pyatigorsk, the natural background is quite unfunny) behave this way.

          believe in Tomsk they were far from afraid of going out of the natural background

          Tomsk 1st place in oncology
          1. IGS
            IGS 11 September 2013 07: 00
            +1
            So you got it, "Siberian", they turned you from one place, you to another. Learn to search for information or to lie. Then he has a country g ..., now from the other end. Tomsk takes 36th place in cities. Google to the rescue. I’m an imaginary "Siberian" for you, I won’t let you down, for your language, so it’s better to change your nickname again.
            1. IGS
              IGS 11 September 2013 08: 47
              0
              Also a coward, quietly minus ... laughing "Siberian" pancake.
              1. j iz sibiri
                j iz sibiri 11 September 2013 10: 02
                0
                Quote: IGS
                Also a coward, quietly minus ... laughing "Siberian" pancake.


                yes you my friend really sick man
            2. j iz sibiri
              j iz sibiri 11 September 2013 10: 01
              0
              Quote: IGS
              So you got it, "Siberian", they turned you from one place, you to another. Learn to search for information or to lie. Then he has a country g ..., now from the other end. Tomsk takes 36th place in cities. Google to the rescue. I’m an imaginary "Siberian" for you, I won’t let you down, for your language, so it’s better to change your nickname again.


              however, you’re still stupid what nickname to change and even again
              you are probably delusions of grandeur and however, your lord the last goose flew away and said that he would not return

              (don’t be foolish to believe statistics) Tomsk has a very large and good onco center
              1. IGS
                IGS 11 September 2013 13: 10
                0
                Learn Russian. And collect less gossip. Provide your alternative statistics, or did you calculate it yourself? Remember, since 2003, the leadership in cancer holds the Krasnodar Territory, where by the way there is no good cancer center. The problem of cancer is precisely in the early diagnosis (good specialized medical institutions). So disappear, and don’t play on this topic, it will respond the same way, although I don’t wish anyone .. Otherwise, it has taken off 3 comments. All the best.
            3. j iz sibiri
              j iz sibiri 11 September 2013 11: 16
              0
              do not believe statistics
              1. Cynic
                Cynic 11 September 2013 17: 37
                0
                Quote: j iz sibiri
                do not believe statistics

                And what they write.
                In general, how did it illuminate _ Such a nickname and non-Russian letters?
                A relative?

                Like Rasputin, like a Siberian?
  30. Lyapis
    Lyapis 10 September 2013 08: 25
    +8
    Some kind of strange logic they have, to link the future Olympics with the islands ... what
    Anyway ...
  31. Anatole Klim
    Anatole Klim 10 September 2013 08: 41
    +3
    But why, in general, do we need a Russian-Japanese peace treaty? I go out into the street there Toyota, Mitsubishi, Nissan; I go to the store, there are Sony, Panasonic, Toshiba. Can someone explain clearly and reasonably, I will be grateful.
    1. rugor
      rugor 10 September 2013 08: 52
      +1
      The products of these brands are manufactured in China or already in Russia. Japan doesn’t flatten us commercially
    2. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 10 September 2013 17: 05
      +3
      Quote: Anatol Klim
      But why, in general, do we need a Russian-Japanese peace treaty? I go out into the street there Toyota, Mitsubishi, Nissan; I go to the store, there are Sony, Panasonic, Toshiba. Can someone explain clearly and reasonably, I will be grateful.

      I forgot to add: "... a New Japanese comes out with a strange orientation to the street ..." laughing
  32. starhina01
    starhina01 10 September 2013 08: 42
    +1
    we are not yet so rich as to spread our wealth hi
  33. lotar
    lotar 10 September 2013 08: 48
    0
    By and large, I don’t see anything surprising in the desire of the Japanese to possess the Kuril Islands. And also I don’t see anything surprising that their Prime Minister is using the Kuril question for his own benefit, not for nothing that he took this post a second time. I would rather be surprised if he didn’t use this problem in his election campaign. And he perfectly understands that as long as our country has weight in the world, there will be the Oblomingo bird. It’s a usual information war in which our leaders have already gained experience and respond to the best of their ability powers, powers and capabilities God forbid that we should have the opportunity to develop in spite of all the obstacles and sticks that put us under the wheels. In addition, if there were no obstacles, there would be no further struggle for our existence, it would be it’s boring and not interesting to live. And when it’s boring, then you can die with longing. So, RUSSIA go ahead.
  34. rugor
    rugor 10 September 2013 08: 51
    +2
    The first facility to be built on the islands after being transferred to the Japs is an American military base. Do we need it ?!
  35. stroporez
    stroporez 10 September 2013 08: 55
    +3
    good islands
    in the predawn fog ---------
    not see you smoked.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 10 September 2013 10: 49
      0
      Quote: stroporez
      good islands
      in the predawn fog ---------
      not see you smoked.


      Hokku? laughing good
  36. zvereok
    zvereok 10 September 2013 08: 57
    +2
    Meanwhile, Japanese capital has been merging with Russian banks for a year now, mainly in the Far East. They will soon have the strongest lever for lobbying their interests.
  37. washi
    washi 10 September 2013 08: 58
    +5
    And without a peace treaty, the appointment of our governor in Hokkaido would be considered a violation of international treaties?
  38. Alexxeg73
    Alexxeg73 10 September 2013 09: 00
    +2
    Here zhezh! They spoiled their territory with Fukushima, more than everyone smoked together. Soon, a radioactive swamp will remain in place of Japan, and everyone will drool on our islands.
  39. andru_007
    andru_007 10 September 2013 09: 06
    +1
    I suggest following the Japanese logic after the Sochi Olympics in 2014 to select Alaska ...
  40. IGS
    IGS 10 September 2013 09: 06
    +2
    They got it ... or they think that if they stood dog-like in front of the USA, and so they forgot about Hiroshima and Nagasaki, now they are scary and fanged? This pose implies otherwise.
  41. Revolver
    Revolver 10 September 2013 09: 07
    +4
    Well, as variants of this very Hikivaki ...

    Well, let's say this option: the Kuril Islands remain with Russia, and Senkaku remain with Japan. Fortunately, Russia owns the Kuril Islands, and Japan only claims. And with Senkaku the same way - Japan owns, and the Chinese only claim. In both cases, the status quo remains.
    1. yur
      yur 10 September 2013 21: 16
      0
      In order to please Japan, which is not really necessary for us, to quarrel with the growing 1,5 billion China? This is crazy. Yes and it will not be beautiful in relation to the ally.
  42. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 10 September 2013 09: 16
    +2
    Since childhood, I know the message: - MUCH YOU WANT - GET A LITTLE!
    I hope that Putin still will not squander the Russian LAND from right to left in exchange for mythical "friendship", though not for mythical ...
  43. Phoeniks
    Phoeniks 10 September 2013 09: 27
    +1
    Tin from the tablet when you enter such a brake is horror, and any browser constantly crashes when you try to add a comment or scale to do more. Is this a problem for all tablets or only on stubs?
    1. IRON_MAN
      IRON_MAN 10 September 2013 17: 33
      +1
      I have the same problem (smart on android) How to reach the moderators? It's time to make a mobile version ...
      1. igor67
        igor67 10 September 2013 17: 39
        +1
        Quote: IRON_MAN
        I have the same problem (smart on android) How to reach the moderators? It's time to make a mobile version ...

        This is for administrators, and not for moderators, I already asked several times, but the result is the same,
  44. morpogr
    morpogr 10 September 2013 09: 30
    +2
    We are on the alert, we are following the enemy. We do not want to span an alien land, but we will not give up our tip.
  45. onegin61
    onegin61 10 September 2013 09: 31
    -8
    I read komenty, and now mine: there will be nothing on these islands in the near future, there is no money for this, and there will not be any special economic offers. But you can lease Japs in exchange for modern technologies so that they don’t say that we lagged behind them forever. Otherwise, some technology is being sold to us, only yesterday. Nobody wants to see Russia developed, but only as a raw materials appendage.
    1. j iz sibiri
      j iz sibiri 10 September 2013 09: 37
      +1
      first you rent yourself to the khachiks and then write and then we'll see which melon you die

      (to lease the same as to tear off the islands)
      1. onegin61
        onegin61 10 September 2013 09: 43
        -7
        And you are like a dog in the manger, and indeed there is no dog in the manger ..
        1. j iz sibiri
          j iz sibiri 10 September 2013 09: 55
          +4
          Mr. Onegin, don’t fall low, don’t (I’m new and can’t set - + I still can’t)
    2. Dovmont
      Dovmont 11 September 2013 20: 03
      0
      Alaska leased the same! The lease expired 50 years ago. Chot mattress makers are in no hurry to "give Alyasochka back", as Rastorguev sings.
  46. pa_nik
    pa_nik 10 September 2013 09: 37
    +2
    It would be nice to direct Japanese energy towards ... China. How to do this is a question. But two tasks eastward by Russia would be solved hi
    1. Muadipus
      Muadipus 10 September 2013 11: 58
      0
      We need to learn from Uncle Cherchel, at one time he skillfully transferred Hitler’s arrows to the USSR.
  47. Manager
    Manager 10 September 2013 09: 37
    10
    That is the truth, brother!
    1. Dovmont
      Dovmont 11 September 2013 19: 52
      0
      Why is the member black? from King Kong or what?
  48. Black
    Black 10 September 2013 09: 44
    +5
    Quote: j iz sibiri
    at the expense of Siberia and keeps all this fucking country

    Follow the words! If she is like you -...., get out of her. Do not stink.
    1. j iz sibiri
      j iz sibiri 10 September 2013 09: 53
      -1
      would you follow a naive

      or do you want to say that most of our country lives with dignity

      (think before you write)
      1. j iz sibiri
        j iz sibiri 10 September 2013 16: 42
        0
        I get the impression that we all live well and that’s why it’s over or on this site all from MOSCOW
    2. j iz sibiri
      j iz sibiri 10 September 2013 10: 40
      0
      Mr. Black, if you live well (somewhere near Moscow probably), this does not mean that most of the country lives like you

      do not think in one mug for others

      that’s when most of the country heals with dignity then the fucking word changes
      1. Manager
        Manager 10 September 2013 13: 09
        0
        Quote: j iz sibiri
        j iz sibiri


        I live in Moscow. Only thieves and thieves with deputies are worthy of Eivut here. The rest, just like everywhere else, do not live but survive. So I agree with you, for example. The hypocrisy of some cheers of patriots on the site at times just rolls over! Or they really are from "Rublyovka" simply.
        1. j iz sibiri
          j iz sibiri 10 September 2013 13: 43
          0
          Quote: Manager
          Quote: j iz sibiri
          j iz sibiri


          I live in Moscow. Only thieves and thieves with deputies are worthy of Eivut here. The rest, just like everywhere else, do not live but survive. So I agree with you, for example. The hypocrisy of some cheers of patriots on the site at times just rolls over! Or they really are from "Rublyovka" simply.

          Yes, I am also amazed at this hypocritical patriot
        2. yur
          yur 10 September 2013 21: 27
          0
          I live in a village near Smolensk, but I will never call my country fucking because I HAVE HONOR.
          1. j iz sibiri
            j iz sibiri 11 September 2013 05: 50
            +1
            now if you also had brains it would be wonderful
      2. Setrac
        Setrac 10 September 2013 14: 29
        -1
        Quote: j iz sibiri
        mister black if you live well

        Explain to me what it means to "live well", just not in money, but in material goods - food, clothing, housing, etc.
        1. Manager
          Manager 10 September 2013 14: 54
          0
          Quote: Setrac
          Explain to me what it means to "live well", just not in money, but in material goods - food, clothing, housing, etc.


          Well, this is when you are confident in tomorrow that you will not be kicked from work and your relatives will not remain hungry for a while. It’s good when at least once a year you can afford a 2-week vacation. It’s good when you have more than 2 pairs of winter shoes. It’s good when you have a car (a maintenance that has passed on the fly) and a set of winter tires for it. It’s good when you yourself can at least repair a summer cottage (I’ll add it well when there is a summer cottage). It’s good when your children and wife are properly dressed and even have normal phones. It’s good when you can pay for your children’s studies and summer vacations not in a military sports camp (although I liked it there at one time), but in a children's camp on the sea (in which I probably would have liked it even more). Continue on?
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 10 September 2013 15: 41
            -1
            Quote: Manager
            Well, that’s when you’re sure about tomorrow,

            Quote: Manager
            Continue on?

            All of the above is easy to implement, if you are ready to work, but if you are an office plankton, manager, then who is to blame for you?
            1. j iz sibiri
              j iz sibiri 10 September 2013 16: 17
              0
              gaspad you think with your head before you write
              Quote: Setrac
              Quote: Manager
              Well, that’s when you’re sure about tomorrow,

              Quote: Manager
              Continue on?

              All of the above is easy to implement, if you are ready to work, but if you are an office plankton, manager, then who is to blame for you?

              people people do you think with your head before you write
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 10 September 2013 17: 08
                0
                Quote: j iz sibiri
                people people do you think with your head before you write

                What's wrong? What didn’t you like?
                1. j iz sibiri
                  j iz sibiri 10 September 2013 17: 51
                  0
                  Quote: Setrac
                  Quote: j iz sibiri
                  people people do you think with your head before you write

                  What's wrong? What didn’t you like?


                  for you personally, the person wrote to you that stability is necessary
        2. j iz sibiri
          j iz sibiri 10 September 2013 16: 13
          0
          no need to turn on the fool
      3. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 10 September 2013 17: 09
        +4
        Quote: j iz sibiri
        that’s when most of the country heals with dignity then the fucking word changes

        With people like you, this country will quickly be "leased".
        Do not grind your tongue - you will marry a smart one ... but it's too late. fool
        1. Manager
          Manager 10 September 2013 17: 44
          0
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          With people like you, this country will quickly be "leased".
          Do not grind your tongue - you will marry a smart one ... but it's too late.


          Our authorities are fucking, people are also massively degrading. But in general, the country is wonderful!
        2. j iz sibiri
          j iz sibiri 10 September 2013 17: 54
          0
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          Quote: j iz sibiri
          that’s when most of the country heals with dignity then the fucking word changes

          With people like you, this country will quickly be "leased".
          Do not grind your tongue - you will marry a smart one ... but it's too late. fool

          Do you want everything to remain as it is?

          I'm not going to go smart, let it be as it is
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 10 September 2013 18: 25
            0
            Quote: j iz sibiri
            for you personally, the person wrote to you that stability is necessary

            Quote: j iz sibiri
            Do you want everything to remain as it is?

            I'm not going to go smart, let it be as it is

            Well, what kind of stability can there be if people like you and the manager are calling on the barricades? Let's arrange a new redistribution of power to the delight of overseas "friends".
            1. Manager
              Manager 10 September 2013 20: 00
              -1
              Quote: Setrac
              Well, what kind of stability can there be if people like you and the manager are calling on the barricades? Let's arrange a new redistribution of power to the delight of overseas "friends".


              Hear you speak, but don’t speak ... where I called for baricades ... Follow the tongue of an Intelligent!
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 10 September 2013 22: 26
                0
                Quote: Manager
                Hear you speak, but don’t speak ... where I called for baricades ... Follow the tongue of an Intelligent!

                Hear you, liberal homegrown, you yourself have chosen such a nickname, manager damn it, office plankton, go work. Your anti-government rhetoric on this site is the appeal, probably you were excommunicated from the feeder and now you are crazy.
          2. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 10 September 2013 19: 16
            +3
            Quote: j iz sibiri
            With people like you, this country will quickly be "leased".
            Do not grind your tongue - you will marry a smart one ... but it's too late.
            Do you want everything to remain as it is?

            I'm not going to go smart, let it be as it is



            And then I think, who sculpts this minus in impotent rage?
  49. pa_nik
    pa_nik 10 September 2013 09: 44
    +2
    and further.. repeat The yapps recalled an anecdote with their maneuver: The priest is asked: "Father .. What are you going to drink wine or vodka?", the one: "And beer. My son ...".

    Give them only a finger .. wink a bite on the elbow.
  50. pa_nik
    pa_nik 10 September 2013 09: 46
    +6
    Quote: Onegin61
    .And rent out the Japs


    I do not agree! Alaska has already been rented to one ... winked
    1. onegin61
      onegin61 10 September 2013 09: 57
      -5
      On these islands, in principle, there is nothing and no one is going to invest there on our side, only a symbol that ours. You can hook the Japanese with a lease, this is not a sale, and then milk it on technology.
      1. j iz sibiri
        j iz sibiri 10 September 2013 10: 05
        +2
        here you are a difficult person people gave you an example
        (renting under any pretext is not an option)
        1. onegin61
          onegin61 10 September 2013 10: 20
          -2
          How old are these islands with us, from the age of 45, and nothing happens and will not happen, because they are a symbol, well, or not, it’s like money under a mattress or in a bank, everyone decides for himself
          1. ia-ai00
            ia-ai00 10 September 2013 10: 32
            +2
            But what about the maritime territories of these islands? Even if for another 100 years nothing "happens" on them, in no case should they be rented out or as a "gift"!
        2. Day 11
          Day 11 10 September 2013 10: 45
          0
          Well, why. A healthy thought. Under one condition --- Before renting an island, you need to build on it (and make them fork out) our Naval Base. With all the attributes (military patrols throughout the island, etc.) etc.) Let them transfer production there. Do not give citizenship under any circumstances (marriage-marriage is fraught).
      2. Misantrop
        Misantrop 10 September 2013 10: 28
        +7
        Quote: Onegin61
        You can hook the Japanese with a lease, this is not a sale, and then milk it on technology.
        Strongly Cuba milked the United States on technology through the lease of Guantanamo?
        1. onegin61
          onegin61 10 September 2013 10: 58
          -2
          comparison example is wrong
        2. Day 11
          Day 11 10 September 2013 11: 03
          0
          And how to get the Yankees out of there? Everything is legal. They rent. The contract was signed already in 1898. Read the Wiki.
      3. Muadipus
        Muadipus 10 September 2013 10: 34
        +1
        there is something to dig there, on these islands rare earth minerals. walk the topic.
        1. Muadipus
          Muadipus 10 September 2013 10: 37
          +1
          Iturup has the world's only economically viable rhenium deposit. It was discovered in 1992 on the Kudryavy volcano. The field is represented by a fumarole field with constantly operating sources of high-temperature deep fluids - fumaroles. Rhenium is in the form of the mineral rheniite ReS2, with a structure similar to molybdenite.
          http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C8%F2%F3%F0%F3%EF
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