After the Olympics, Japan wanted the Southern Kuriles

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The theme of Tokyo's victory in the struggle for the right to host the summer Olympics in 2020 has received an unexpected development the other day. In a strange way, representatives of the Japanese leadership saw in the assignment of Tokyo the title of Olympic capital 2020 the need to develop their success in the South Kuril direction. Thus, the Secretary General of the Rigant Sun of the Liberal Democratic Party, Shigeru Ishiba, while visiting the Nemuro village on the island of Hokkaido, did not deny himself the nostalgic pleasure of admiring the beauties of the four Russian islands of the South Kuril Ridge: Iturup, Kunashir, Shikot, Shikot, Shikot. After admiring, Mr. Ishiba called on the Japanese, like the well-coordinated work in the Olympic direction, to intensify the work in the country that would lead to Japan, quoting: "the islands that were once lost by it". The message was similar to the following: today we received the right to hold the Olympic Games in 2020, and tomorrow, with the same pressure, we will get back the Kuriles ...

After the Olympics, Japan wanted the Southern Kuriles


Apparently, the feeling of deep and unsubstantiated, neither by international law nor by realities, did the sense of Japanese territorial “patriotism” crawl over Ishiba over the edge, and he decided to transfer it to his other compatriots.

It is noteworthy that a few days before Shigeru Ishiba’s sayings about the so-called “Kuril problem”, which, frankly speaking, should not be a problem for the Russian side, the conversation was between Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe and Russian President Vladimir Putin in the framework of bilateral meetings during the G-20 summit. In the next (countless) time, the Japanese prime minister raised the issue of concluding a peace treaty between Japan and the Russian Federation, and, as is known, his conclusion rests on the Southern Kuriles, which the Land of the Rising Sun stubbornly wants to see in its composition. Only at the same time Japan forgets about its status somewhat (the status of a state that lost in World War II), which allows Japanese politicians of different years to constantly exaggerate the “Kuril issue” and at certain points on this topic even achieve political success in their own country. Shinzo Abe is also no exception. For him, talking about the territorial affiliation of the Southern Kuriles and signing a peace treaty with Russia is a kind of political springboard inside the country. After all, Abe has repeatedly celebrated success in the elections to the cabinet of ministers, declaring that he has a “number of thoughts” on the transition of the Southern Kuriles (the so-called Northern Territories) under the wing of Tokyo. Ordinary Japanese (those who are somehow interested in this issue) believed him, parliamentarians too, and Abe, thanks to this, for the second time becomes the Japanese prime minister (by the way that with the update in the highest echelons of power in Japan, too, not everything so simple…)

It should be noted that the talks between Putin and Abe in St. Petersburg on the conclusion of a peace treaty were not spontaneous. A few weeks before the start of the G20 forum, the discussion of preparations for the conclusion of a peace treaty between Russia and Japan was held at the level of deputy foreign ministers.

After the meetings of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs "deputies", and also after the personal meeting of Vladimir Putin and Shinzo Abe, information came from Tokyo that very soon negotiations between Russia and Japan would be held on the possibility of concluding a peace treaty. The format of these negotiations will be as follows: the Minister of Foreign Affairs and the Minister of Defense on each side. At the same time, the Japanese side in the press release hints that this is an unprecedented concession on its part: the official Tokyo conducts negotiations in this format exclusively with its allies (for example, Australia or the USA), and therefore Moscow must make retaliatory curtsy ...

The Russian side also confirmed the fact of upcoming negotiations on the possibility of concluding a peace treaty with Japan. Approximately at the beginning of November of this year, the heads of the foreign affairs and military departments of the country, Sergey Lavrov and Sergey Shoigu, will go to the Japanese islands.

No, the fact that it is better to be friends with the neighboring countries than not to be friends - the thesis is obvious. But only every time when it comes to partnership with Japan, for some reason, the Southern Kuriles float to the surface, and at the same time the Japanese (we recall, the Japanese who lost the war) set us some conditions. We don't set, they put ... As they say, not sickly ...

At the same time, every time you catch yourself in a restless thought: what if the Russian leadership takes and trembles ... “Kemskaya volost? Yes, take it ”... And immediately you try to drive this thought away from you, hoping that common sense and service in the interests of your people determine the policy of the Russian authorities, and not promises of dubious“ carrots ”from foreign countries - from the same Japan, as an option…

Restless thoughts appeared even after the term “hikivaki” flashed in the conversation between Russian and Japanese political leaders, which can be translated as “a draw outcome”. I wonder what is meant by this “no one’s outcome”? Maybe Japan’s Russia is South Kuril Islands, and Russia’s Japan, for example, Hokkaido Island ... Or, Japan, together with Russia, does business on our four islands of the South Kuril Ridge, and Russia, together with Japan, on their Ryukyu Islands. Well, as variants of this very "hikivaki" ...

Whatever it was, but the same Lavrov and Shoigu will have to keep the defense from the Japanese “partner” sweetness, which obviously will not imply any retaliatory steps from Japan. Japanese politics in the style of “you are islands to us, and we to you is endless friendship” - well, no, thank you, we will live here in Russia somehow and without a peace treaty ... We lived the same - and nothing ...

The Japanese, judging by the same statements of Shigeru Ishiba in Hokkaido, are going to develop their "Olympic" success and will try to do everything to be in an exceptional gain from the signing of a peace treaty (if, of course, it will be signed in the foreseeable future). If our ministers hold the defense, then they will be honored and praised, if they start to pour in ... But no, we must again drive this worthless thought away from ourselves. Let the joy of our Japanese partners remain at the level of receiving Tokyo the title of Olympic capital of the year 20 ...
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  1. +66
    10 September 2013 07: 24
    The impudence of the Japanese knows no boundaries, it is necessary to quickly populate all the Kuril Islands
    1. +80
      10 September 2013 07: 54
      At one time, Putin said: "They will get the ears of a dead donkey, and not ..."
      1. Garyk701
        -18
        10 September 2013 09: 00
        Well, actually, Putin offered them the South Kuril Islands if they convoyed US military bases from their islands. Let them think ... America is weakening, China is increasing power. Russia must be allied in this region.
        1. +51
          10 September 2013 10: 07
          Quote: Garyk701
          Well, actually, Putin offered them the South Kuril Islands if they convoyed US military bases from their islands. Let them think ... America is weakening, China is increasing power. Russia must be allied in this region.

          Not equivalent exchange! Then return the base for a short while, and only conquer the territory. Fuck them! Let them admire from afar. It would be better if they were engaged in their Fukushima! And then the floor of Japan will soon have to be resettled.
          1. +3
            10 September 2013 18: 23
            Quote: aviator_IAS
            It would be better if they were engaged in their Fukushima! And then the floor of Japan will soon have to be resettled.

            therefore, new islands are required, otherwise there is nowhere to move.
          2. Garyk701
            -14
            11 September 2013 09: 42
            Think for someone no longer equivalent? Do we have awesome business income on the islands? But the American military bases in Japan are really our expenses for countering their missile defense system. And a threat to our entire Pacific Fleet. Is our entire fleet and the entire Far East shone with radar on these islands? Estimate on the calculator before minus.
            1. +2
              11 September 2013 11: 02
              Quote: Garyk701
              Estimate on the calculator before minus.

              Cases and blood of ancestors how will you count on the calculator?
              So _ Result, obscene, about you.
            2. 0
              15 February 2014 16: 09
              Russia has never given away its lands
              1. 0
                15 February 2014 17: 14
                Quote: Basarev
                Russia has never given away its lands

                Unfortunately, it was not once.
                The same Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands.
                request
        2. +7
          10 September 2013 11: 46
          Can you give a link to his words? Very interesting!
        3. fedorovith
          +9
          10 September 2013 15: 21
          Yes, there’s no talk of the Kuril Islands, it’s like a toast, meaning nothing to us. We don’t need to pay attention to this bazaar.
          1. 2vladim2
            +3
            10 September 2013 21: 38
            Maybe you're right. As there, the dog barks, and the caravan goes. Let them pretend. They all understand perfectly. The Japanese are smart. Wait, they will soon offer us a peace agreement to sign. And they will forget about the Kuril Islands.
        4. beard999
          +4
          10 September 2013 15: 50
          Quote: Garyk701
          Putin offered them the South Kuril Islands if they convoy US military bases from their islands

          Please provide a confirmation link to this information.
        5. +2
          10 September 2013 17: 00
          Quote: Garyk701
          if they dispatch US military bases from their islands

          As an option: you give us Okinawa under a military base (instead of amer’s), we give you the joint use of four islands)).
          Only this is unlikely. Japan is being prepared as a "second front" in the event of the implementation of the "chaos" plan through the "Great Caliphate")).
        6. IRON_MAN
          +3
          10 September 2013 17: 13
          Good day to you! Where is such information from?
          1. +1
            10 September 2013 17: 33
            Quote: IRON_MAN
            Where is such information from?

            Now I’ll drop everything and show all the fishing places!)).
            But seriously, what do you have doubts about?
            1. 0
              10 September 2013 18: 19
              There are doubts, because even the president cannot violate the constitution, and by the way, if I am not mistaken, there are fines about the inviolability of borders ...
              1. stranik72
                +3
                10 September 2013 19: 37
                Well yes. China and Norway, it’s possible, but Japan is unobtrusive.
                They spit on the constitution, if MI is beneficial.
                1. +2
                  10 September 2013 22: 24
                  And I again insist that the borders of Russia are not ruined by the constitution of the Russian Federation and the Japanese and other bourgeoisie can and don’t spit on the Russian constitution ... but the president of Russia cannot, in principle, not violate it, his main task is to defend every point , every line, every letter, if I’m not mistaken, he swears it. If even he blurted something out ... it was most likely taken out of context, and by the way, gentlemen of the journalism can do it very well. I mean, when you read, see, hear, you can’t take everything at once on faith, often you also need to turn on your head.
              2. +1
                10 September 2013 21: 02
                Quote: Bosk
                Have doubts

                And, nevertheless, if the "Great Caliphate" - Japan takes place (fails) - it will immediately manifest)).
        7. +4
          10 September 2013 21: 20
          Quote: Garyk701
          Well, actually, Putin offered them the South Kuril Islands

          Well, why is it so impudent to lie and spread turmoil? This was promised by Nikita Khrushchev, the first secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU, already in 1956. An unambiguous minus, unfortunately only one.
        8. Arabist
          0
          10 September 2013 21: 22
          Have you ever taught history?
        9. +1
          10 September 2013 22: 17
          Quote: Garyk701
          Well, actually, Putin offered them the South Kuril Islands if they convoyed US military bases from their islands.

          Yes? Something I didn’t hear from him like that, it’s strange if I would have said it, the media would have trumpeted this to the whole world! You are probably confusing, this was suggested to them by Nikitka Khrushchev when the socialists came to power in Japan. Yes, he really promised them to return them, but it’s like not 4 but 2 in all, and set the condition to expel the Yankees from Japan. Their then prime minister also promised this, contentedly rushed to Japan, and soon he, together with his office under his knee, assured (amers turned this of course). So they still whine on this basis, they say they promised the same, so give it back. hi
      2. Natalia
        +30
        10 September 2013 09: 12
        Come on, let them entertain themselves with what is not ...
        Japan can get the islands in only two cases:
        1. This is if we say war, and for some reason we suddenly won’t win it at least, but this is unlikely ...
        2. This is if some sort of Prokhorov (again, if he became president), wants to play super democracy, and become even more fashionable ... then for a couple of basketball clubs in Japan, maybe he could .... sell

        And in general, nonsense, well, breeeyed, well, like Russia, well, generally, it can’t give it to anyone, these islands .... take it, it can give it away ... only not today and not even tomorrow ....
        1. +14
          10 September 2013 11: 54
          Quote: Natalia
          This is if we say war, and for some reason we suddenly won’t win it at least, but this is unlikely ...

          Here was the same euphoria in Port Arthur, how do we have such armadillos! And nobody believed in Hitler’s attack, our armor is strong and our tanks are fast, and then the German stood on the rails of the Moscow tram ... Do not underestimate the enemy. Especially with the hands of the Japanese, America and Europe will be at war with us, and this is already serious.
          1. +6
            10 September 2013 12: 30
            What kind of war are we talking about? On both sides, nuclear weapons will be used immediately and then no one will need anything ....
            1. +2
              10 September 2013 17: 42
              Quote: komandir8
              What kind of war are we talking about?

              We are talking about modern war)). When the state itself sways from the outside, when the people call the hired terrorists and use nuclear weapons (as an option: XO or BO) not for anyone, but for you, as a "warning", they will say ... well, in our case, from 20 to 300 thousand hypersonic "toys")).
              Something like this)).
              1. Bogdarin
                +2
                11 September 2013 11: 18
                Something you do not mean by "modern war". No one will attack Russia with ordinary or unusual (hypersonic, in the amount of 300000) toys, only Russians can defeat Russians, remember 1917. And Ana ... Navalschina and swamps are just an attempt to repeat everything.
                1. 0
                  11 September 2013 21: 01
                  Quote: Bogdarin
                  Russians can win

                  And here "to win - not to win")).
                  The task is to write off debts. And start a new cycle.
          2. berimor
            0
            10 September 2013 21: 18
            In no case should you give it away, since they control the strategic sea destinations in Southeast Asia, and, of course, the most extensive fishing areas. It is not for nothing that our border guards are constantly chasing Japanese violators in this area.
        2. +3
          10 September 2013 16: 49
          Quote: Natalia
          just not today, not even tomorrow ....

          And never ...
          Who dares to give up, islands, soaked with the blood of Soviet sailors?
          1. bilgesez
            0
            10 September 2013 18: 40
            they gave it to the Chinese.
          2. +3
            10 September 2013 22: 23
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            And never ... Who dares to give up, islands, soaked with the blood of Soviet sailors?

            the Ural drunk didn’t give them away a little, someone stopped him in time, so your cries are somehow not very realistic!
        3. +4
          10 September 2013 17: 50
          Quote: Natalia
          Come on, let them entertain themselves with what is not ...

          Nataliya, hi ! I think so, the word "Kuril Islands" is derived from a derivative - smokes, smoke, therefore the very name "Kuril Islands" contains a rather transparent hint to the Japanese that they would nervously smoke on the sidelines, occasionally glancing at the islands and then only during the day, since they don't care about anything laughing
        4. +1
          10 September 2013 18: 18
          Bullshit, of course bullshit. Bullshit (and today) is when the medveputes gave the poured blood of our border guards Father Damansky, Father Ussuriysky, this is when they gave the Norwegians the richest waters of the Barinze Sea with all the reserves of biological resources and hydrocarbons with an area of ​​Germany. And this is despite all the arguments and protests of the Murmansk fishermen and common sense and simply the interests of Russia.
        5. +2
          10 September 2013 22: 45
          Quote: Natalia
          1. This is if we say war, and for some reason we suddenly won’t win it at least, but this is unlikely ...


          if there is a war, nobody will win there, the next will be stones and sticks hi
      3. Constantine
        +82
        10 September 2013 09: 41
        It was necessary to offer them the only correct move. Become a Japanese Region wassat This, in my opinion, is the only way they can get the Kuril Islands wassat
        1. jiz sibiri
          +4
          10 September 2013 09: 42
          yes that's right we would have muddied them with corruption wassat
          1. +8
            10 September 2013 12: 11
            They have enough of their own. Japanese customs officers will not put more than one seal without a bribe
          2. +5
            10 September 2013 12: 55
            Quote: j iz sibiri
            we would have muddied corruption with them

            And they, you, the mutillers, were introduced to the Yakuza. wassat
        2. +4
          10 September 2013 10: 01
          Quote: Constantine
          then, in my opinion, the only way they can get the Kuril Islands

          This is not an acquisition, but the opportunity to freely visit, live (this is in case one of the "monkeys" gathers to freeze) and swim in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk and sunbathe on the beaches.
        3. +3
          10 September 2013 13: 10
          Quote: Constantine
          It was necessary to offer them the only correct move. Become a Japanese Region wassat This, in my opinion, is the only way they can get the Kuril Islands wassat


          Yes, that smoked there .... the whole country in addition laughing ... under them in Siberia you can rebuild the New Toiko, and on the drifting ice floe a new Okinawa ...
        4. +4
          10 September 2013 13: 17
          Greetings to all, for Konstantin, your comment smiled, thank you !!! laughing
        5. pri3rak
          +4
          10 September 2013 13: 21
          It smacks of delirium, as it was already given to Crimea
        6. +6
          10 September 2013 14: 29
          The map is not complete, but where is Alaska with California? and most importantly, and hde Kiev - the mother of Russian cities?)))
        7. 0
          10 September 2013 15: 48
          Quote: Constantine
          It was necessary to offer them the only correct move. Become a Japanese Region wassat This, in my opinion, is the only way they can get the Kuril Islands wassat

          Yes, Vissariorych carried the point, it was necessary to add them to the 45th Union Republic in the 16th
        8. +4
          10 September 2013 17: 32
          Not an option. At one time, Lithuania was given Vilnius, Ukraine, Crimea, Donbass and Odessa, Kazakhstan Uralsk and Pavlodar, Georgia Abkhazia and Adjara --- gained independence and seized the region.
        9. 0
          10 September 2013 22: 14
          And how did 125 million people fit in there? fellow
      4. +18
        10 September 2013 10: 11
        This is Japan’s pay for aggression on us! We have received this fee. Why should we give it back ?! Descendants always swell for their ancestors, let them say thanks ...
        1. +3
          10 September 2013 10: 31
          What kind of aggression is this? For 1904? Well, in August the Red Army arranged a pretty good Blitzkrieg for the Japs to Port Arthur, if only a month and Soviet tanks were in Tokyo ... But what were we, the USSR won and received military trophies, so to speak. Everything is legal, no revenge and anything else.
          1. Baboon
            +14
            10 September 2013 10: 41
            A bit wrong, after the war of 1904-1905, the Japanese diplomat explained to ours- "That their troops are stationed in the Kuril Islands and Sakhalin, the circumstances have changed, so we need to give them all the lands where their troops were." So in 1945, "the circumstances" also changed. Our troops were already stationed in the Kuril Islands, so what else to talk to them about? Everything, they lost. And the Kurils really should be populated, they need a new ferry there, otherwise they live as if in isolation, not everyone will go there to live.
        2. +19
          10 September 2013 14: 11
          Quote: KILLAvolt
          This is Japan’s pay for aggression on us! We have received this fee. Why should we give it back ?!

          I agree with you, for some reason everyone from Russia only wants to take something, despite the fact that they are not even capable of basic help.
          1. +10
            10 September 2013 15: 04
            We are a self-sufficient country and will do without help, but the very fact that the whole world is far from a light bulb is our natural disaster is a confirmation of our exceptional hatred for us. There is a flood in China too.
            1. +2
              10 September 2013 15: 10
              Quote: Sirs
              confirmation of exceptional hatred towards us

              Since all of us are exclusively hit by a drum in Europe, forest fires in the states, and in the south of Europe, believe me, not everything is as bad as it seems. In the euro news, fragments about the sinking and salvaged Far East are not uncommon. Maybe someone offers help, but I have not seen this.
              1. +5
                10 September 2013 15: 44
                Our Be-200 helped extinguish fires in Europe. Maybe for the money, but he was there.
                1. +1
                  10 September 2013 16: 57
                  And not only in Europe, it was like that. I remember even Israel.
              2. +5
                10 September 2013 16: 44
                Quote: Hedgehog
                Since we all have a drum exclusively in the flood in Europe, forest fires in the states and southern Europe

                Why do you think so??? Firstly, we always offer assistance, and when it is accepted, our Ministry of Emergency Situations always participate in the elimination of consequences, and we always send humanitarian aid. And we remember in 2010 in the summer the heat was, and there were many forest fires, only the Italians helped us to extinguish, for which many thanks to them.
                1. 0
                  10 September 2013 17: 02
                  Quote: DEfindER
                  Why do you think so?

                  Well, probably from talking with people, with people, so to speak.
                  And about the fact that the state offers its services, this is a separate conversation. After all, this, of course, is not done for free. And not all countries agree to accept our help from the state. And I do not remember cases when we accepted someone else's. Remind me if you have anything to say.
                  1. 0
                    11 September 2013 09: 37
                    Quote: Hedgehog
                    And not all countries agree to accept our help from the state.

                    Agree
                    Quote: Hedgehog
                    And I do not remember cases when we accepted someone else's. Remind me if you have anything to say.

                    And I about the same, it is extremely rare for us to offer it. The last thing I remember already wrote about the Italians, I even saw then their planes over Samara Luka extinguished by forest fires. And why should we refuse help when the situation is critical, the people would not understand this ..
                2. Raven
                  0
                  12 September 2013 15: 39
                  ours, too, seem to have sent someone to extinguish
                  RB
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          2. +2
            10 September 2013 15: 47
            We sent feasible humanitarian assistance. No need to misinform.
          3. 0
            10 September 2013 17: 42
            Russia is engaged, ...., in all kinds of humanitarian assistance to blacks, the Ministry of Emergency Situations planes fly with food and medicine abroad to all kinds of natives, but in their own country people die of hunger, do not receive proper medical care, live in barracks --- how is it necessary? ! Most likely, the authorities do not need their own people, they will die out so ... but the Negroes must be saved ... humanities, damn them.
            1. Dovmont
              0
              11 September 2013 19: 16
              This is who in Russia recently died of hunger? And at the expense of medical care is also more careful, we still have it less, compared with Transcaucasia and Central Asia!
      5. +8
        10 September 2013 13: 08
        donkey ears
        1. 0
          10 September 2013 16: 00
          Toyama Tokanawa ripped off chi sho? request
      6. +5
        10 September 2013 18: 43
        Well, yes, he told them: As long as there are American bases in Japan there is nothing to talk about. And the truth is, what kind of negotiations can be with the occupied country.
      7. 0
        10 September 2013 21: 51
        Quote: Canep
        "They'll get the ears of a dead donkey, and not ...

        Beautiful! - not unfortunately, no ...
        -If I'm not mistaken, then Zhiglov spoke about Sharapov.
    2. +25
      10 September 2013 08: 06
      Quote: links
      need to quickly populate all the Kuril Islands

      By whom, let me ask? By population, Russia and Japan are quite comparable, but by territory? In the Kuril Islands we have either the military or those who cannot leave. There is nowhere.
      Until we make this region economically attractive, until moving there becomes a dream of the young and ambitious, nothing will come of it. The only option is to strengthen the military presence and finally replace the buried ISs with modern weapons there.
      1. +15
        10 September 2013 08: 41
        Quote: domokl
        By whom, let me ask?

        Alexander, hi ! Desirable by "Bastions" and "Iskander". A lot is unnecessary, a few "families". Two years ago, the media kept repeating about the installation of "Bastion" by Russia in the Kuril Islands, Japan expressed regret about this. You need to go to meet the Japanese so that their regrets are not in vain. wink .
        1. +9
          10 September 2013 09: 03
          Quote: Tersky
          ! Desirable by "Bastions" and "Iskander"

          Victor Categorically hi And I won’t argue. I’ll just add. And the fleet needs to be strengthened so that I don’t get too drunk on my schooners ...
          1. +4
            10 September 2013 09: 50
            We should not quarrel with the Japanese now (right now so far), Russia does not need a second front, as long as there is confusion with Syria. Putin acted politically wisely - the Japanese have been dreaming of the Kuril Islands for so many years - and he did not take away this childhood dream from them with harsh categorical statements. If you want hikivaki - here you have hikivaki, even harakiri with sepuku. As they say, it’s not harmful to dream - it’s harmful not to dream ...
          2. 0
            15 February 2014 16: 41
            Resume the construction of the Sharks under the modernized project, build several dozen boats and send it to the Kuril Islands as part of the underwater strike group.
        2. Misantrop
          +15
          10 September 2013 09: 59
          Quote: Tersky
          Desirable by "Bastions" and "Iskander"
          It's just flora. Fauna is also needed. At least 971 "Bars", if newer ones are needed in other places. And bird watchers will certainly say that the fauna will not be complete without birds. Desirable - overflights, so that they can reach the USA without refueling lol Well, the feathered stuff from the Sukhoi Design Bureau, MIG, etc. And where the military will come, there the infrastructure will tighten
          1. +6
            10 September 2013 16: 02
            Quote: Misantrop
            It is just flora. Fauna is also needed.

            Totally agree Yes , everything in the "ecosystem" in the Kuril Islands should be balanced wink
          2. 0
            15 February 2014 16: 44
            And certainly reptiles! A large population of Crocodiles and Alligators will improve the fauna of the Kuril Islands.
      2. +7
        10 September 2013 09: 04
        Good day, Alexander.
        Quote: domokl
        until moving there becomes a dream of young and ambitious

        It smacks of BAM and not Skolkovo. (I won’t scare the views of BAM villages, towns, towns)
        Quote: domokl
        While we will not this region is attractive economically

        Is this after the Fukushima ongoing plums?
        The population of the islands of Japonchi,
        Hokaido : 5,474 million (March 31, 2012) Area: 83 km Population density 454 people/km²
        Honshu- Area 227969,74 km² Population (2010) 100 people. Population density 000 people/km².
        Kyushu- Area 40 km² Population (600) 2010 people Population density 12 people/km²
        Shikoku - Area 18806,21 km², Population (2010) 3 people. Population density 981 people/km²
        (This is not counting the population of nearly 2000 small islands)
        Naturally, it’s clear that monkeys prefer warmth wink
        Quote: domokl
        The only option to strengthen the military presence

        Almost no alternative option.

        The only thing is if they are exempt from taxes in general and following the example of the UAE with the registration of "Legal entities". Then a "miracle" will happen.
        "Eco tourism" - .................. more dots than words for or against.

        For example, I will give "Lena Pillars" -Every year, the park receives from 8 to 11 thousand tourists. Parking "Lena Pillars" is experiencing significant man-made pressure. Visiting a large number of tourists during one season of PP negatively affects the environment (trampling, collection of plants and their parts (roots, flowers, fruits, etc.) for various purposes, pollution by waste, etc.)
        1. +10
          10 September 2013 09: 10
          Quote: Papakiko
          "Eco tourism" - .................. more dots than words for or against.

          laughing A good thought .. Only from the places of deployment of money bags to the ecological paradise are two elbows on the map. Not everyone wants to admire.
          But salaries can be made sky-high by the state. So that Kamchadals can fly to Moscow for a weekend to drink beer ...
          1. +4
            10 September 2013 09: 41
            Quote: domokl
            So that Kamchadals could fly to Moscow for a weekend to drink beer ...

            Easier and cheaper for Hawaii or Southeast Asia and better beer and fruits from the "garden" and not from the markets.
            Quote: domokl
            But salaries can be made sky-high for the state.

            To officials and TOPmanagers, they can do it, this at a time.
            At the settlement of the Kuril Islands, you can look at the settlement of Antarctica.
      3. Garyk701
        -4
        10 September 2013 09: 28
        You can populate homosexuals there, and let them multiply. And then you can completely populated the island and give it to the Japanese along with the inhabitants. Well, only so that the population density is no less than Honshu.
        1. Misantrop
          +6
          10 September 2013 10: 03
          Quote: Garyk701
          You can populate homosexuals there
          Let them settle in Kolyma; there, too, the population density is small. Or to Chukotka. Nehren them create natural paradise conditions
          1. -1
            10 September 2013 21: 43
            Quote: Misantrop
            Let them settle in Kolyma; there, too, the population density is small. Or to Chukotka. Nehren them create natural paradise conditions

            Stop wait! stop After all, we decided that we would send homosexuals to Europe and the states, now the demand is for them!
        2. +1
          10 September 2013 12: 23
          Quote: Garyk701
          You can populate homosexuals there, and let them multiply

          Well, bent laughing There, not many can live with a normal orientation, and even these ... There are real ones there .. So that a man means a man, a woman means a woman.
        3. +3
          10 September 2013 13: 03
          Quote: Garyk701
          You can populate homosexuals there, and let them multiply.

          No no no! These are only in the northern half of Novaya Zemlya. Well, or to the area of ​​the Semipalatinsk test site, if the Kazakhs allow. They die out anyway. It would be necessary to help the poor fools stupid.
        4. idealist
          0
          10 September 2013 18: 16
          Maybe we will give your settlement to the Japanese ???? And populated by buggers ????
      4. +3
        10 September 2013 11: 57
        Quote: domokl
        By whom, let me ask?

        You can act like a tsarist government, organize a settlement there for exiles, as in Sakhalin. Part of the term in prison, part on free bread on the island. Harvest fish, for example.
      5. +1
        10 September 2013 16: 55
        Quote: domokl
        Until we make this region economically attractive, until moving there becomes a dream of the young and ambitious, nothing will come of it.

        The problem is that the geology of the islands does not allow building large cities there, so we still need to figure out how to use them, perhaps with the development of regional aviation and sea transport, these islands will become closer to us and begin to develop themselves. In the meantime, they are ideally suited only for military purposes as a defensive line, and control over the North Pacific.
        1. idealist
          0
          10 September 2013 18: 18
          Given the weather, I doubt that there will ever be a normal air connection
      6. +2
        10 September 2013 17: 47
        Quote: domokl
        The only option is to strengthen the military presence and finally replace the buried ISs with modern weapons there.

        In the Kuril Islands you need a good fortified area, with the means to detect and destroy the enemy. Those firing points that are there (buried tanks) have long turned into rusty trash.
    3. +5
      10 September 2013 08: 27
      Quote: links
      The impudence of the Japanese knows no boundaries, it is necessary to quickly populate all the Kuril Islands

      I'm of course paranoid, but he said STE after the summit it turns out? And they met with the chief peacemaker ... it turns out that the narrow promised support to the black "if something happens"? And for this, the entire Kuril ridge at least ..
    4. Crocodile
      +3
      10 September 2013 08: 36
      To make the Kuril Islands attractive for young people is complicated ... It is necessary to build housing, create economic infrastructure, guarantee economic benefits, etc. But to begin with, it is necessary to strengthen the defense potential. Not one step back! Japan wants to sign a peace treaty - please, but without territorial concessions! But actually a great place for representatives of the fifth column! Collect them together, let them build their dreams, and the rest of Russia will look and make a choice!
      1. +7
        10 September 2013 09: 07
        Quote: Crocodile
        Making the Kuril Islands attractive for young people is complicated ..

        And who said that this is easy? But we have experience ... the USSR had quite normal conditions there. I remember how my colleagues went to Sakhalin. Nobody ached. Benefits, money and the opportunity to serve where you want after 10 years ..Well, and for some reason I recollected stories about mugs, which you can hide from the rain. wink
        For now, we are only talking more talkatively. People are fleeing as far as possible to the mainland ...
        1. Crocodile
          +1
          10 September 2013 09: 23
          We drove losers there - voluntarily - forcibly, sent diplomas by mail, and you go after him! As the USSR collapsed, everyone rushed back ...
      2. +5
        10 September 2013 09: 51
        Quote: Crocodile
        But actually a great place for representatives of the fifth column! Collect them together, let them build their dreams, and the rest of Russia will look and make a choice!

        From Crimea, some suggested making Jewish autonomy.
        And the representatives of the "fifth-tenth" column on the next day will collect a "referendum" from among the residents and will sell for "inexpensive" mattress or samurai.

        The "fifth-tenth column" should be taken to Antarctica. Nekhai master with liberal values ​​and international freedoms.
        1. Crocodile
          0
          10 September 2013 10: 37
          But this does not mean at all that to give them the right to decide on the status of the islands!
          Quote: Papakiko
          And the representatives of the "fifth-tenth" column on the next day will collect a "referendum" from among the residents and will sell for "inexpensive" mattress or samurai.

          With which they will show their degree ...
          1. DIMAS
            0
            11 September 2013 06: 29
            And that someone doubted her ????????????????
        2. 0
          10 September 2013 16: 07
          Quote: Papakiko
          The "fifth-tenth column" should be taken to Antarctica.

          They need to be transported no closer than the moon, and parachuted from the orbit. Yes
        3. 0
          15 February 2014 16: 59
          You can't go to Antarctica - gigantic resources will be squandered
          1. 0
            15 February 2014 17: 20
            Quote: Basarev
            You can’t go to Antarctica

            Why, I think the killer whales will not be against. Some seals have become boring.
    5. +6
      10 September 2013 09: 22
      Yeah, the guest workers should be sent there; let them learn at the same time and let the Japs do it in the markets))))
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    7. +4
      10 September 2013 10: 53
      Quote: links
      The impudence of the Japanese knows no boundaries, it is necessary to quickly populate all the Kuril Islands


      And why is it necessary to populate? Military facilities are needed there, but strictly by necessity. But civilians why torment? The climate there is not heavenly. Earthquakes, tsunamis, weather disasters, etc. Supply is problematic. You can find more suitable places for living. In general, it all depends on work and living conditions. Where better there and run. Alaska is also sparsely populated. In any case, the Kuril Islands is a purely domestic problem. For example, I did not plant potatoes on a part of my garden, but left it empty. Well, you never know, maybe I was going to put a brazier there. bully . How should this concern the narrow-eyed neighbor, who constantly looks at me through the fence?

      In addition to the islands themselves, for some reason many people forget the water borders, and a fair amount of water on which the Japanese also sharpen their teeth.
      1. +7
        10 September 2013 11: 25
        he goes one way, and his roof the other way ... Yes
        1. +6
          10 September 2013 16: 47
          After the Olympics, Japan wanted the Southern Kuriles


          maybe he can also give the keys to the apartment where the money is !!
          1. +5
            10 September 2013 17: 41
            If you hypothetically assume, well, they gave the Kuril to the Japanese today, so what? Rest assured, they will demand Sakhalin tomorrow. wassat
            1. Valery Neonov
              0
              11 September 2013 02: 47
              hi And they can at once, but already demand it.
    8. Hon
      +5
      10 September 2013 11: 32
      urgent need to do the production of lip-rolling machines, the Japanese have an acute need for them
    9. +2
      10 September 2013 12: 51
      Quote: links
      need to quickly populate all the Kuril Islands

      Great offer, but it’s not yet painted out who exactly to populate. Where to get migrants? Or is this post written from the queue for tickets at the Novosibirsk railway station?
      1. pri3rak
        +3
        10 September 2013 13: 27
        Most likely from the feeling of patriotism, alas, a person sitting at a computer in his apartment
      2. 0
        15 February 2014 17: 06
        Personally, I am ready to go to live in the Kuril Islands even now - if all the work is done for me and I can only get on the train.
    10. +1
      10 September 2013 13: 05
      Good suggestion, you know. Who is the first to go "check in"? Please write upon arrival.
    11. +2
      10 September 2013 13: 08
      Quote: links
      The impudence of the Japanese knows no boundaries, it is necessary to quickly populate all the Kuril Islands


      Military camps and landfills for toxin waste.
      1. pri3rak
        0
        10 September 2013 13: 39
        Just move the capital, at the same time, and the infrastructure will be adjusted)
    12. pri3rak
      +1
      10 September 2013 13: 11
      Well, rather it was not bent, but a historical memory. And how can they not get used to the fact that they more (and, in principle, never) did not belong
    13. AVV
      0
      10 September 2013 13: 47
      A hole from the bagel, you see how his lips rolled out on our islands !!!
    14. +4
      10 September 2013 14: 21
      my sister lives on Sakhalin so their opinion is something like this - under the Japanese there was a good development - roads were built there and bridges are still used there and people sometimes say that it’s better to be Japanese than to live with our modern mess - that’s what you need to think about . By the way, my sister has not come to us since Yeltsin - there is no money, but now she needs more than 100000 rubles to come with her family
    15. Hunghuz
      +2
      10 September 2013 15: 22
      hi So who to populate? In the last century, there were Dobroflot ships and transported Svidomites through Odessa to Vladivostok, and now ....... ???
    16. IRON_MAN
      +5
      10 September 2013 17: 11
      Settle - right, only by whom? request And on Sakhalin, if it goes on like this, our soon will not be left ... Urgent measures need to be taken, programs should be implemented, subsidies increased (only those that will really work, and not feed the bureaucrats). The demographic problem of the whole Far East, it is high time to put in the category of strategic threats!
    17. +2
      10 September 2013 17: 37
      Everything is quite simple, halve federal funding for some Caucasian republics, and with this money create favorable conditions for living in the Kuril Islands, jobs allowance for salaries, pensions, preferential housing, and develop infrastructure. With the right approach, you can quickly develop these islands.
      1. 0
        15 February 2014 17: 08
        And it’s better to completely transfer the republics to self-sufficiency - it doesn’t matter when Caucasian evil spirits live better than Russians.
    18. Gladiatir-zlo
      +2
      10 September 2013 20: 31
      “Once again (countless) times, the Japanese prime minister touched upon the issue of concluding a peace treaty between Japan and the Russian Federation, and, as you know, its conclusion rests on the Southern Kuriles, which the Land of the Rising Sun stubbornly wants to see in its composition. its status (the status of the state that lost in the Second World War), "
      Either the author himself did not fully understand the issue, or he considers us to be idiots. Only the article is painfully contradictory. Firstly, a peace treaty is not concluded with a warring country that has signed unconditional surrender. And peace comes on the basis of the decision of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR, it was so with Germany, so it was with Japan. And neither the Germans are prevented by either the absence of a peace treaty or friendship with us. But the Japanese interfere. To begin with, let him restore the sovereignty lost with the signing of the act of unconditional surrender, and there will appear the subject of discussion for equal countries. In the meantime, that Germany, that Japan, are just under-states, regardless of economic and financial development. Something like this.
      1. 0
        15 February 2014 17: 10
        Kuril Islands is a Russian territory.
        1. 0
          15 February 2014 17: 28
          Quote: Basarev
          Kuril Islands is a Russian territory.

          What are you talking about?
          By and large it is Nippon cocu should I think if it’s based on Russian zemlyots?
          Or do they think the indigenous population is almost exhausted and that’s it?
          This is for now.
    19. 0
      13 September 2013 21: 21
      links SU "..., we need to quickly populate all the Kuril Islands"
      -------------------------------------------------- ----
      Yes, it is necessary to settle, but with whom? CHINESE or what? They will soon "peacefully" occupy the entire Far East in our country!
  2. Valery Neonov
    +15
    10 September 2013 07: 28
    The Japanese were completely blind ... am A hole to them from a bagel, not the Kuril Islands! fool I hope the Kremlin has the same opinion.
    1. +1
      10 September 2013 08: 53
      Quote: Valery Neonov
      The Japanese were completely blind.

      They are naturally narrow. The Japanese are already born with obscured eyes. wink
  3. Lech from ZATULINKI
    +5
    10 September 2013 07: 29
    Dreams, dreams - the nostalgia of the Japanese political leadership has pronounced medical deviations.
    1. +1
      10 September 2013 08: 10
      Quote: Lech s ZATULINKI
      Dreams, dreams - the nostalgia of the Japanese political leadership

      But what about the appearance of the Russian statement, at one time, on the joint use of the Kuril Islands? Is this not our concession? As soon as the Japanese play some kind of elections at home, the problem worsens. And all the rather tough statements, for example, Putin, they pass ears.
    2. 225chay
      +1
      10 September 2013 08: 35
      Quote: Lech s ZATULINKI
      Dreams, dreams - the nostalgia of the Japanese political leadership has pronounced medical deviations.

      Yaponisa Cigar Ishiba smoked something ... as you know Dumka gets richer
  4. C-600
    +2
    10 September 2013 07: 32
    The territory in the Barents Sea was given to Norway, one and a half islands were given to the Chinese. Maybe you can give in to the Japs?
    1. Lech from ZATULINKI
      +12
      10 September 2013 07: 41
      Well, this is for the Kremlin leadership — the transfer of our territories to a foreign state without the approval of the people — it has always been considered a betrayal.
      1. C-600
        +7
        10 September 2013 07: 42
        What are we talking about. Where are the guarantees that they will not betray the country for the third time?
    2. C-600
      +11
      10 September 2013 07: 59
      Why minus that, dear? Did I give our territories to foreigners?
    3. +18
      10 September 2013 08: 13
      Quote: C-600
      The territory in the Barents Sea was given to Norway, one and a half islands were given to the Chinese. Maybe you can give in to the Japs?

      I would add a fairly decent shelf of the Bering Strait to the Americans. It seems to me that it is time to accept the amendment to the Constitution of the Russian Federation that territorial issues can be resolved only through a popular referendum. It is not otherwise. Depending on the decision of one or a team, some kind of Russia can no longer. We remember this ever-drunk conductor .. Mother of him ...
      1. C-600
        +6
        10 September 2013 08: 30
        Amendments to the constitution have recently been adopted, I would say, more for personal purposes than for popular purposes. But they don’t like such reasoning, so I take my leave.
      2. Airman
        +1
        10 September 2013 08: 35
        Quote: domokl
        Quote: C-600
        The territory in the Barents Sea was given to Norway, one and a half islands were given to the Chinese. Maybe you can give in to the Japs?

        I would add a fairly decent shelf of the Bering Strait to the Americans. It seems to me that it is time to accept the amendment to the Constitution of the Russian Federation that territorial issues can be resolved only through a popular referendum. It is not otherwise. Depending on the decision of one or a team, some kind of Russia can no longer. We remember this ever-drunk conductor .. Mother of him ...

        So after all, they also know that on the sly you can sell half of Russia, and through a referendum - not an inch of land, that’s what they make shit.mocratic laws. Indeed, in a referendum, the people spoke out in favor of preserving the USSR, and EBNatik put the opinion of the people in favor of the West.
        1. C-600
          +4
          10 September 2013 08: 40
          China, Norwegians (and the United States) did not give EBN territory, but other, very specific people.
    4. 0
      10 September 2013 08: 33
      I hope that about the Barents Sea and one and a half islands to the Chinese, you are AN annoyed ..
      1. C-600
        +3
        10 September 2013 08: 44
        This is called sarcasm.
  5. +3
    10 September 2013 07: 35
    To the Japanese - "Take a Nakusi". I hope our tops will not drain this natural treasure! smile
    1. +2
      10 September 2013 10: 27
      You spoke Japanese directly
      1. +1
        11 September 2013 02: 36
        Well, so the neighborhood obliges and so they are more understandable and phonetic receptive laughing
  6. +11
    10 September 2013 07: 36
    Let's end up in Sochi - 2014 demand Istanbul, or something, he is Constantinople. It’s necessary to somehow repel this olympiad somehow. But seriously, after Fukushima, the land of suitable land became very small and the pressure on neighbors will only increase.
    1. +5
      10 September 2013 07: 52
      Judge for yourself how they can put pressure on us. we, with good politics, can put pressure on them because our economy is little dependent on them. and the Japanese will be shaken very seriously without our raw materials and export of equipment. to wean the Japs to claim our 4 islands. I believe that they need to be renamed. Let's say Iturup - in honor of our traveler Fedor Konyukhov, etc. in his presidency, Medvedev visited these islands, remember how dissatisfied the Japs were. and Medvedev said - our territory where I want to go there and come. This action is one of the few positive aspects of the presidency of Medvedev.
      1. idealist
        +2
        10 September 2013 18: 27
        The names of the islands are not Japanese, but the names of the former indigenous inhabitants - the Ainu. They also came up with the names. For example Kunashir means "Black earth"
        So do not rename
        1. +1
          10 September 2013 19: 12
          Yes, that is right...
          Moreover, Ainu in Japan, the elite of society, when it was a fighting clan of the Slavs. But then, due to the mixing of Human DNA with Japanese, SAMURAI appeared, cruel, pragmatic people Chinese))))
          Then the Saxons appeared there. opium,
          export of tea and everything fell into tartarara ...... at that time the empire TARTARIA sank into oblivion, they were defeated by the Romanovs ...
          Manchuria and the Amur region passed to China, then these were the Slav lands (primordially))
          The Japanese began to settle with Hokkaido in the direction of Sakhalin, indulged by the Saxons, and due to all sorts of betrayals and intrigues, they won a number of dubious victories ...
          Stalin restored justice (iscon)) + loss in hostilities ....
          Moreover, Japan signed the surrender in connection with the entry into the war against them of the Soviet units, and not the bombing (testing) of US nuclear bombs .....

          Now, regarding the islands, the Japanese have nowhere to develop economically, so the joint use of territories would be reasonable when registering enterprises not offshore but on the territory of Russia, with a residence permit being granted to Japanese citizens (the former are all Slavs)))))

          But not with this power, otherwise there will be a "Kosovo" ........
          So do not give an inch on the basis of the second world ....
          And no state corporations for the development of the "States of Siberia and the Far East" ...
          1. 0
            11 September 2013 01: 04
            Then you can push about America: It is inhabited by Indians, direct descendants of Slavic immigrants from Slavic Siberia. belay
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    1. Lech from ZATULINKI
      +15
      10 September 2013 07: 47
      Well, there is no need to misinterpret - ABKHAZIA is an independent state and does not belong to RUSSIA.
      Then the Crimea you received can be said for just so- RUSSIA for a century conquered it from the Turks and GIVED IT TO YOU, you can say for free without demanding anything in return.
      Japan is certainly worse than us, if only because it will creep into our territories.
      Well, PUSHKINA can be quoted ad infinitum and under various pretexts.
      1. DDA
        DDA
        +8
        10 September 2013 08: 03
        I fully agree with you +, I want to add that Abkhazia and Ossetia also got to Georgia just like that, if I am not mistaken in terms of enlarging administrative territories. Well, about the plans of Georgia regarding the population of these territories, it is better not to say Gamsakhurdia's quote "Ossetians are rubbish on our territory that must be swept out with a nasty Georgian broom."
        1. +1
          10 September 2013 14: 07
          Quote: DDA
          filthy Georgian broom "

          How exactly did he describe the Georgians negative "filthy Georgian broom".
      2. Dober
        +2
        10 September 2013 09: 25
        Quote: Lech s ZATULINKI
        PUSHKIN can be quoted ad infinitum and under various pretexts.

        Can.
        Tovarisch gave a bad example. Just pulled out of context.
        In fact, the meaning of the verse can be extrapolated to the actions of the Ukrainian authorities both in general and in individual issues. I think everyone will find analogies -

        From the all-night evening going home,
        Antipievna and Marfushka scolded;
        Antipyevna was perfectly excited.
        "Wait," he shouts, "I'll handle you;

        You think that I already forgot
        That night when, climbing into the corner,
        Are you and your godson Vanyushka naughty?
        Wait, hubby will find out about everything! "

        - You must threaten! - Marfushka replies:
        Vanyusha - what? After all, he is still a child;
        And matchmaker Trofim, which you have
        Both day and night? The whole city knows that.

        Be quiet, Kuma: and you, like me, are sinful,
        And you will break every word;
        In someone else's pi ... e straw you see
        But you don’t even see logs.
    2. +9
      10 September 2013 07: 49
      Quote: Drakk
      Well, yes, only Russia is allowed to send troops into foreign territories with the aim of capturing (Abkhazia).

      Forgive my dear, plus you mistakenly set. And Crimea YES Russian !!!
      1. Baboon
        +3
        10 September 2013 10: 35
        Why don’t you remember everything? In the Russian Empire, neither the Donbass, nor Kharkov, nor the Crimea, nor Chernigov, nor Odessa were Ukraine, all these were Russian lands. But in the 20th century, our rulers annexed all these lands to Ukraine, and even the Germans helped in the Brest Peace. So they gave it, they gave it land, and it’s not worth wondering why in Russia they are worried about where Ukraine will enter. With half donated our lands, and to stand up to us.
    3. +9
      10 September 2013 07: 57
      Quote: Drakk

      And a state still in a state of war with Russia (the successor of the USSR) has the right to demand anything until a peace treaty is signed and all points above and are placed.

      As Russia can demand anything from Japan as a victorious country
      1. +1
        10 September 2013 08: 25
        Quote: koksalek
        As Russia can demand anything from Japan as a victorious country

        Yes, and to overcome the Yapes a couple more islands, it is possible without a declaration of war, there is no peace treaty. Just Mistral will arrive in time soon (well, this is so, in principle, as a development of thought)
    4. series
      +1
      10 September 2013 08: 15
      What is allowed to Zeus is not allowed to the bull ...
    5. +4
      10 September 2013 08: 26
      Quote: Drakk
      And a state that is still at war with Russia (the successor of the USSR) has the right to demand anything,

      A LOST war country has no right to DEMAND! And if the peace treaty is not signed, then let him try to continue that war. And whose will it take? Let him try to recapture "their" islands!
      1. Airman
        +3
        10 September 2013 08: 45
        Quote: Egoza
        Quote: Drakk
        And a state that is still at war with Russia (the successor of the USSR) has the right to demand anything,

        A LOST war country has no right to DEMAND! And if the peace treaty is not signed, then let him try to continue that war. And whose will it take? Let him try to recapture "their" islands!

        More often it is necessary to send a couple of TU-95s there with a "call" into the airspace for 99 seconds, they will think less about the islands.
        1. +2
          10 September 2013 13: 14
          Quote: Povshnik
          less will think about the islands.

          So you’ll get used to it quickly and stop paying attention if the amers allow.
          1. Airman
            +2
            10 September 2013 18: 08
            Quote: Hedgehog
            Quote: Povshnik
            less will think about the islands.

            So you’ll get used to it quickly and stop paying attention if the amers allow.

            After the events in the area of ​​Lake Zhalanashkol (read the village of Druzhba), a reinforced battalion on an armored personnel carrier was redeployed there on a shift basis. Our RLR on a shift basis was on alert there. The battalion commander practiced the actions of the battalion in the offensive. And when the battalion in deployed order in this narrow gorge launched an attack on the Chinese border, the Chinese probably screwed up in their trenches. 200 meters from the state border, all equipment stood up, stood a little, and, starting from the left flank, began to turn back. If ret of the peace treaty with the Yapas, then we are in a state of war, and if so, then let them be ready for our "claims" to the Japanese islands. War is war, and the strongest wins. Do they need it?
            1. 0
              10 September 2013 21: 56
              Quote: Povshnik
              let them be ready for our "claims" to the Japanese islands.

              Except for one little thing. Two islands were promised by Khrushchev and this promise was confirmed by the Supreme Council. I won’t tell you, here’s a reference.
              http://www.kp.ru/radio/stenography/54041/
              Have a good reading. drinks
          2. 0
            15 February 2014 17: 54
            And what kind of wind are the Americans doing there? It was not they who won Japan, in a good way our contingent should be there instead of the American one.
            1. 0
              15 February 2014 18: 29
              Quote: Basarev
              It’s not they who defeated Japan,

              Also to raise their (yusovsky) landfill?
      2. 77bor1973
        +1
        10 September 2013 09: 36
        The fact of the matter is that, in my opinion, the initiators of the peace treaty are the Japanese, and against the background of the past years, it is so far as to us, so that let everything remain as before.
    6. +1
      10 September 2013 12: 53
      You, Khakhels, do not understand ... 50% (if not more) of you are rats, thieves, drug addicts and alcoholics, the same is with your "elite", only the elite you have at all times (your ness) consists exclusively of rats ... Your country is flawed, your people are flawed (not all), your language "synthetic" is a complete mess, your nation is invented, you are Russians, well, there are no Ukrainians genetically, this is the same as a cat considers itself a cow, but it is still a cat, only bad. All that little good that you have is from the Russians, industry, technology, the lives of yours and your children, all this is only thanks to the Russians. And your nation is like rats (I repeat, not all), there is not even gratitude. Of course, I am against the entry of Ukraine into the EU, but on the other hand, you yourself will run from there, you won't be able to sit on your neck like here))) And we will take the Donbass, Crimea and Sevastopol from you, because these are Russian lands and Russian people there live. And let the svidomy rats go to Europe under the tail, they are still freeloaders, though then they will cry about the "brotherhood of peoples" and ask back to the Russian around the neck. In Europe, nobody needs you, except of course your women, they are in great demand there (price-quality ratio, cheap and beautiful).
  8. Pit
    Pit
    +4
    10 September 2013 07: 42
    Or maybe even jam the back with jam. Although no, I agree, we are the South Kuril Islands, and they are Hokaido and Honshu. Let us at a loss, but oh well, survive winked
  9. DDA
    DDA
    +7
    10 September 2013 07: 43
    It’s not what the Japanese want, but what they’re doing: in this way residents of the Kuril Islands can visit Japan without visa, get medical help there, get an education, etc. At the same time, they can’t get anything from the mainland of the Russian Federation except destroyed infrastructure, lack of communications, including normal transport links with the mainland + all other problems of the residents of the Far East. All the same, the government may think about the development of remote regions, but rather it will create a targeted program and begin to implement it. After all, if the lands are far from the center, but these are our lands and live, now they exist, our citizens are there.
    1. idealist
      +1
      10 September 2013 18: 34
      Things are not going so bad there: they began to build roads, new residential buildings, kindergartens ...
      Well, on Sakhalin, in general, the well-being of citizens is growing due to oil and gas production.
  10. Gur
    +5
    10 September 2013 07: 47
    Can't they spit in their mouths? Well, the Japanese are out of luck, you must be so wiped out between two satellites, on the one hand WE are on the other China, and there are islands and there, and there are minerals, and there, and there is hell on the whole face and here. Just like in a joke: - "Chapay drinks vodka and you smoke." Squint further.
  11. jiz sibiri
    -22
    10 September 2013 07: 49
    Yes, they don’t give us these islands one harem from them I would give them

    just before that, I would bury all the radioactive waste from Tomsk 7 and Krasnoyarsk 7 there and let them take it away and the whole problem would be solved for many years if not centuries
    1. DDA
      DDA
      +13
      10 September 2013 08: 06
      Hemorrhoids must be treated, and land should be given, moreover with enormous ibioresources and not only, it’s all the same that you’ll cut off your ass, it’s not going to be full
      1. +2
        10 September 2013 08: 29
        Quote: DDA
        Yes, they don’t give us these islands one harem from them I would give them

        Well, yes, and then they will demand the entire Kuril ridge along with Sakhalin and Kamchatka
        1. DDA
          DDA
          0
          10 September 2013 08: 35
          Not at all my quote !! More attentively please!
      2. jiz sibiri
        0
        10 September 2013 08: 58
        and what do you want to say that the island has more of your resources, as it were, than in Siberia

        I’m telling you that they can be torn apart is only a matter of time, but with radiation they will be unnecessary to anyone

        and everything on this is closed and there are no more problems, we don’t have them
      3. Dober
        +10
        10 September 2013 09: 18
        Quote: DDA
        it’s all the same that the ass will be cut off, you won’t be full

        Well, no, you don't need to cut anything off, but you can give it a look ...
        He likes it now, but he likes it even after the lambiad ...
        But Cho, samurai ... You can see there some kind of thread "hunashir", al "iturup"?
      4. +3
        10 September 2013 14: 20
        Quote: j iz sibiri
        Yes, they don’t give us these islands one harem from them I would give them

        This hemorrhoids in some types of campaigns inside grows, it’s already grown to the brain - they started to carry nonsense ...
      5. +1
        10 September 2013 14: 57
        Well, "some" believe that even after the "amputation" in the front, everything is very much even nothing ...
    2. +5
      10 September 2013 14: 13
      Quote: j iz sibiri
      Yes, they don’t give us these islands one harem from them I would give them

      just before that, I would bury all the radioactive waste from Tomsk 7 and Krasnoyarsk 7 there and let them take it away and the whole problem would be solved for many years if not centuries

      American anti-submarine vessels and underwater hunters do not give a damn about the isolation of your vital products. For access to the Sea of ​​Okhotsk of the American Navy, Americans will give you more awards than Gorbachev for ALL of his merits.
  12. +7
    10 September 2013 07: 49
    from the Don.
    Wanting is not harmful! And yet. If negotiations on the ownership of the islands would be in favor of Japan, we need to hold a referendum! And so, how much our unfortunate leaders asked (read: traitors to the memory of the ancestors!). That would not have been secretly from us! And it is necessary to conduct exercises in the Far East more often to keep our neighbors in good shape!
    1. Crocodile
      +2
      10 September 2013 09: 26
      If only they wouldn’t merge in a quiet way like Damansky ... But like followers of EBN are currently not visible!
      1. +2
        10 September 2013 10: 12
        from the Don.
        A fan of iPhones?
        1. Crocodile
          0
          10 September 2013 10: 27
          A moot point, but in 2008 the Bear earned quite +
          1. yur
            yur
            0
            10 September 2013 20: 49
            2008, by no means, the merit of Medved. If his will he merged Abkhazia and South Ossetia, as Libya. IMHO.
            1. Arabist
              +1
              10 September 2013 20: 52
              Oh really? I don’t like Medvedev myself, but firstly, nobody poured Libya, since it was not our ally. Secondly, our peacekeepers and citizens were killed in South Ossetia and Abkhazia, and therefore there is nothing to compare with Libya in principle.
  13. +5
    10 September 2013 07: 52
    so what. from the east they bark, from the west they bark (see about the Baltic states). probably it is necessary in one direction, it doesn’t matter, in the east or in the west, it’s tough or even cruel to answer, and the second direction will shut itself up
  14. 0
    10 September 2013 07: 52
    The controversial situation in the Kuril Islands is not simple, the ownership of the islands has changed more than once, there are arguments in our favor, and the Japanese have their own arguments. As long as we are a strong power, it is necessary to defend the borders, but we will be weak, and without our demand everyone will be pulled apart.

    during the Edo period from 1633 to 1854, Japan pursued a policy of self-isolation. The Japanese were officially forbidden to build ocean-going ships and leave the state. The northern borders of Japan passed along the border of the principality of Matsumae (Matsumae county), located in the southernmost part of Hokkaido. Separate contacts between the inhabitants of this principality and the Ainu living in Hokkaido and the Kuril Islands were limited to separate commercial transactions that were not encouraged by the Japanese government.
    In 1778, the first contact occurred when the Russian merchant Pavel Sergeyevich Lebedev-Lastochkin arrived in the principality of Matsumae to establish trade and diplomatic relations.
    On February 7, 1855, Japan and Russia signed the first Russo-Japanese treaty, the Shimodsk Treaty on Trade and Borders. The document established the border of the countries between the islands of Iturup and Urup. The islands of Iturup, Kunashir, Shikotan and the group of Habomai islands departed to Japan, and the rest were recognized as Russian possessions. That is why February 7 in Japan is annually celebrated as the Day of the Northern Territories since 1981. At the same time, questions about the status of Sakhalin remained unresolved, which led to conflicts between Russian and Japanese merchants and sailors.
    On May 7, 1875, the St. Petersburg Treaty was signed, according to which Russia transferred to Japan the rights to all 18 Kuril Islands in exchange for the Japanese part of Sakhalin. Thus, the borders were finally settled. In 1905, according to the results of the Russo-Japanese War, the Portsmouth Peace Treaty was signed, according to which Russia ceded the southern part of Sakhalin to Japan. They defeated the islands and South Sakhalin only in 1945, so we will deal with the Japanese more than once on this subject.
    1. Lech from ZATULINKI
      +8
      10 September 2013 08: 01
      Sure, we will.
      And this is a fundamental question - will we give our territories (for various reasons) to the detriment of our people.
      What we will gain by giving this 4th Kuril Islands.
      We’ll get the notorious peace treaty with JAPAN. Hehe - this is how we have kept the Japanese at a distance for many years without it.
      We will get many more minuses by giving them. In addition to the fact that our fleet will be locked in this region, the American military bases will be automatically placed there.
      Further, our neighbors are Finns, Norwegians, Balts, Poles, etc. with a vengeance they will begin to demand that our regions bordering them be given away; well, many other troubles awaits us.
    2. +4
      10 September 2013 08: 02
      what does it mean controversial, not simple? is our land much easier? why is this historical sketch? in the Kaliningrad region, Karelia also write down? our point! even thoughts should not appear about the analysis of historical moments (in this situation), even if there are a thousand they will have arguments ...
    3. +4
      10 September 2013 08: 32
      Quote: cobalt
      In the 1905 year, as a result of the Russo-Japanese War, the Portsmouth Peace Treaty was signed, according to which Russia ceded the southern part of Sakhalin to Japan. They defeated the islands and South Sakhalin only in 1945, so we’ll deal with the Japanese more than once on this topic.

      So then it is. Only Russia was the successor of the USSR, not the tsarist government. Then Russia lost the war. Therefore, she gave up the territory, and then Japan lost the war along with Hitler. So let them be silent in a rag.
  15. +1
    10 September 2013 07: 53
    The message was approximately as follows: today we got the right to host the Olympic Games in 2020, and tomorrow, with the same pressure, we will get the Kuril Islands back ...

    In Russia, the message will be more concise ... Usually 3 letters are enough ... Thank you Alexey!
    1. +14
      10 September 2013 08: 58
      I forgot. Now you can send even more succinctly:
      1. +5
        10 September 2013 10: 36
        Quote: retired
        I forgot. Now you can send even more succinctly:

        Such a "hieroglyph" will be clearer to the Japanese good
      2. Yankuz
        +4
        10 September 2013 14: 47
        Well, just a wonderful character !!! To this topic!!!
      3. +1
        10 September 2013 20: 02
        Ay, yes ... GOOD MAN, Pensioner! +++ !!! The Japanese need to introduce this "hieroglyph" into their ... whatever ... in short, into their "alphabet"!
  16. +4
    10 September 2013 07: 58
    Quote: Drakk
    Well, yes, only Russia is allowed to send troops into foreign territories with the aim of capturing (Abkhazia). Only Russians are allowed to shout at every corner - return Crimea, our Crimea, and so on. Are you better than the Japanese ???

    belay It’s even inconvenient to ask what and you from which planet came to us and for what purpose? lol
    1. +2
      10 September 2013 10: 56
      Quote: starmos
      Even somehow it’s inconvenient to ask, and from which planet did you come to us and for what purpose?

      From the planet Drach laughing
      (“My Enemy” is an American film that won the “Hugo” and “Nebula” awards in the 1985 year, the prize of the Avoriaz International Film Festival (“Avoriaz-86”). An adaptation of the novel by the same name by American science fiction writer Barry Longyear.)
    2. 0
      10 September 2013 20: 07
      So what do you want from him, his name is Drekk, this explains everything ...
  17. +6
    10 September 2013 07: 59
    Quote: j iz sibiri
    Yes, they don’t give us these islands one harem from them I would give them

    just before that, I would bury all the radioactive waste from Tomsk 7 and Krasnoyarsk 7 there and let them take it away and the whole problem would be solved for many years if not centuries


    Somehow I was at a joint meeting on the problem of the Kuril Islands (not in higher truth circles smile ). So after I heard from doctors of science what is there and in what quantity (especially titanium ..) and the estimated cost, as well as water resources (boundaries of territorial waters) and much more, I just went crazy ... The Japanese - to wind up kuknda on the fist, not the Kurilla. Another thing is that we ourselves do not really develop them, and this is bad and causes - a constant "erection" from Japan.
    1. jiz sibiri
      -14
      10 September 2013 08: 15
      and you want to say that in the same notorious Tomsk there is not a damn so you're wrong

      at the expense of Siberia and holds all this FUCKING(choose expressions! moderator) country
      Do you know how much this poison is in Siberian cities?

      so for me it’s better not to let these islands and Japan with them

      than the hearts of Russia SIBERIA
      1. DDA
        DDA
        +2
        10 September 2013 08: 25
        There is such a political scientist Brzezinski, apparently your thoughts coincide!
        1. IGS
          +4
          10 September 2013 10: 20
          Here's something I often see how the nickname is associated with Siberia, so the feeling that Siberia is part of II ... or is it from those who held the exhibition "If Siberia were a part of the USA" ... or even the city of Tomsk with a small letters ... I just wrote yesterday, I'm tired of these passages about the razdle of the country. It's not easy for everyone. There is a proposal "Siberian" bring you to where it will be good for you, but call your Motherland a fucking one ... kill yourself, but quietly, without your screams, hysterical ("Siberian", damn it)
          1. jiz sibiri
            -4
            10 September 2013 10: 29
            I don’t know where you are from, but it doesn’t change matters.

            and fucking because it is a country (those in power)

            and the homeland is the people (and the people have had a hard time lately (acre of Moscow)
            so you think not far
            (and Tomsk with a small letter this is a little rush time)
            1. IGS
              +2
              10 September 2013 10: 41
              Well, look where I come from ... "distant", click on the nickname and you will be happy, divide the country and those in power, but in Moscow, ordinary people are not easier, smart guy. By the way, I wanted to ask, what did you mean by "so you don't think you are far away", do not rush, otherwise you either do not know Russian, or ... I am tormented by vague doubts "the ambassador has a medallion ... for Shpak ..." the Siberian is hysterical .. smile
  18. +3
    10 September 2013 08: 01
    But doesn’t it crack at the japs?
  19. waisson
    +2
    10 September 2013 08: 01
    to hell with butter and not smoked angry angry angry
  20. +3
    10 September 2013 08: 01
    It’s disgusting that practically nothing depends on the opinion of the people of the Russian Federation. God forbid any EBN-2 appears and that's all ... We’ll really lose the islands.
    In politics, as in relations with women. Once you understand that they need relations with men as much as we need relations with women, things are moving by leaps and bounds. Russia can now really live without Japan (given the development of Chinese industry and, accordingly, our import is from there), but Japan should already decide with whom it will be. With Russia, which has no acquisitions, or with China, which just plays cards purely according to the Japanese scenario ...
    1. +5
      10 September 2013 08: 22
      If EBN-2 appears, then we will lose the whole country. But there is no soil for such an appearance yet; fairy tales about wonderful democracy you can’t buy us anymore - they have seen clearly.
  21. +6
    10 September 2013 08: 02
    Yes, gentlemen agreed, everyone mixed in a heap, Crimea, the Kuril Islands, Alaska. I think the Crimea will return to Russia together with the entire eastern part by 2020. As soon as Ukraine enters the EU (an example of the Baltic states). And the islands will be by 2020 the parking lot of the Pacific Navy.
    1. IGS
      +1
      10 September 2013 10: 54
      Not such an incredible scenario.
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  25. +1
    10 September 2013 08: 06
    "Visiting the settlement of Nemuro on the island of Hokkaido, I did not deny myself the nostalgic pleasure of admiring the beauty of the four Russian islands of the South Kuril ridge: Iturup, Kunashir, Shikotan and Habomai." - you need to put a couple of "Bastions" there and put a few S-300s - let him admire !!! laughing
  26. +2
    10 September 2013 08: 11
    and about the fight at the Olympics and in Japan, including:In Buenos Aires, at the IOC session, the list of disciplines of the Olympic Games 2020 was approved. The fight remained in the program. Back in February, the executive committee of the International Olympic Committee recommended that this sport be excluded from the competition.
    It was supposed to replace it with baseball, softball or squash. But in a vote in Argentina, most delegates still supported the struggle
    1. +2
      10 September 2013 08: 36
      Quote: Gleb
      The fight remained in the program. Back in February, the executive committee of the International Olympic Committee recommended that this sport be excluded from the competition.

      Yes, they have a tendency right now. Try to exclude those sports in which Americans are full noobs, and ours are gods.
      1. 0
        10 September 2013 23: 01
        Quote: lewerlin53rus
        Yes, they have a tendency right now. Try to exclude those sports in which Americans are full noobs, and ours are gods.

        Are there such disciplines? I do not mean those to which Russia dominates, and those in which the United States does not take and did not take medals at all, that is, as you put it, noobs. In the overall standings, for all types of wrestling, the United States is in second place in terms of gold, after the USSR, and in first in total number of medals. In any separate discipline related to the struggle, they are also in the first or second place ...
  27. +6
    10 September 2013 08: 19
    The Japanese want to review the results of the second world? Let's offer them to replay one on one. laughing
  28. +6
    10 September 2013 08: 20
    They got it. Something needs to be done with these islands. That is, to populate, place coastal batteries from the Yakhont, put air defense systems (if there are none). There must be some movement. Be active. Otherwise, the yapes will still hope that we do not need these islands and they have a chance to return them. And regarding negotiations with the Japanese, one cannot be helpful and gentle. We need to firmly hold our position. NOT ! And that’s it. Fuck you on .. No, that’s rude. Although it can be so, if they do not understand humanly. Here's another thing: to consider territorial issues and the more so the possible transfer of land to another state, I consider it a betrayal and is tantamount to treason. How else?
    1. +2
      10 September 2013 08: 26
      This is the thing! And then from the outside it seems - not to myself and not to others. There are no tough and active actions on our part, and the Japanese are excited, especially on the eve of parliamentary elections laughing
    2. jiz sibiri
      +2
      10 September 2013 08: 26
      and who are you going to populate these islands is interesting?

      the latter will soon run away from dv

      but I realized probably half of Moscow should be sent there so that their life does not seem to be honey
      1. DDA
        DDA
        -1
        10 September 2013 08: 40
        I have already written about this, I repeat, if you do not need to resettle an attractive model of the economy and social infrastructure, people will go there themselves.
        1. jiz sibiri
          0
          10 September 2013 09: 26
          if so if grandfather would be a grandmother or grandmother grandfather

          gazprom balls come true
      2. Misantrop
        +1
        10 September 2013 10: 15
        Quote: j iz sibiri
        and who are you going to populate these islands is interesting?
        Military personnel and members of their families. The northern coast of the Kola Peninsula is populated by whom?
  29. 0
    10 September 2013 08: 24
    Quote: j iz sibiri
    and you want to say that in the same notorious Tomsk there is not a damn so you're wrong

    at the expense of siberia this whole country is held
    Do you know how much this poison is in Siberian cities?

    so for me it’s better not to let these islands and Japan with them

    than the hearts of Russia SIBERIA


    Sorry, of course, but I don’t see the logic of comparing the cities you have listed to the issue of the Kuril Islands. Or is it your logic to take so damn the Kuril Islands? They are, they are for now (I hope always) - ours. Japan, while it’s gundit, but doesn’t start active actions .., cannot take it by force. So why give them ????
    1. jiz sibiri
      0
      10 September 2013 08: 36
      about to give no one speaks literally

      it’s just that it’s better to store all the waste and on this topic I’ll smoke smoked once and for all

      and then with our rulers it is possible to prosrat everything and so we only benefit

      and Siberia will breathe a little



      (the Japanese visited us on nuclear waste so they were afraid to get off the bus)

      and we live and nitsche (catch the thought)
      1. MVS
        MVS
        0
        10 September 2013 19: 29
        Quote: j iz sibiri

        (the Japanese visited us on nuclear waste so they were afraid to get off the bus)

        They were also afraid in Pyatigorsk from getting off the bus. Moreover, they quickly got out of town. They are everywhere, where at least a little fonit (in Pyatigorsk, the natural background is quite unfunny) behave this way.
        1. jiz sibiri
          0
          11 September 2013 05: 43
          Quote: MVS
          Quote: j iz sibiri

          (the Japanese visited us on nuclear waste so they were afraid to get off the bus)

          They were also afraid in Pyatigorsk from getting off the bus. Moreover, they quickly got out of town. They are everywhere, where at least a little fonit (in Pyatigorsk, the natural background is quite unfunny) behave this way.

          believe in Tomsk they were far from afraid of going out of the natural background

          Tomsk 1st place in oncology
          1. IGS
            +1
            11 September 2013 07: 00
            So you got it, "Siberian", they turned you from one place, you to another. Learn to search for information or to lie. Then he has a country g ..., now from the other end. Tomsk takes 36th place in cities. Google to the rescue. I’m an imaginary "Siberian" for you, I won’t let you down, for your language, so it’s better to change your nickname again.
            1. IGS
              0
              11 September 2013 08: 47
              Also a coward, quietly minus ... laughing "Siberian" pancake.
              1. jiz sibiri
                0
                11 September 2013 10: 02
                Quote: IGS
                Also a coward, quietly minus ... laughing "Siberian" pancake.


                yes you my friend really sick man
            2. jiz sibiri
              0
              11 September 2013 10: 01
              Quote: IGS
              So you got it, "Siberian", they turned you from one place, you to another. Learn to search for information or to lie. Then he has a country g ..., now from the other end. Tomsk takes 36th place in cities. Google to the rescue. I’m an imaginary "Siberian" for you, I won’t let you down, for your language, so it’s better to change your nickname again.


              however, you’re still stupid what nickname to change and even again
              you are probably delusions of grandeur and however, your lord the last goose flew away and said that he would not return

              (don’t be foolish to believe statistics) Tomsk has a very large and good onco center
              1. IGS
                0
                11 September 2013 13: 10
                Learn Russian. And collect less gossip. Provide your alternative statistics, or did you calculate it yourself? Remember, since 2003, the leadership in cancer holds the Krasnodar Territory, where by the way there is no good cancer center. The problem of cancer is precisely in the early diagnosis (good specialized medical institutions). So disappear, and don’t play on this topic, it will respond the same way, although I don’t wish anyone .. Otherwise, it has taken off 3 comments. All the best.
            3. jiz sibiri
              0
              11 September 2013 11: 16
              do not believe statistics
              1. 0
                11 September 2013 17: 37
                Quote: j iz sibiri
                do not believe statistics

                And what they write.
                In general, how did it illuminate _ Such a nickname and non-Russian letters?
                A relative?

                Like Rasputin, like a Siberian?
  30. +8
    10 September 2013 08: 25
    Some kind of strange logic they have, to link the future Olympics with the islands ... what
    Anyway ...
  31. +3
    10 September 2013 08: 41
    But why, in general, do we need a Russian-Japanese peace treaty? I go out into the street there Toyota, Mitsubishi, Nissan; I go to the store, there are Sony, Panasonic, Toshiba. Can someone explain clearly and reasonably, I will be grateful.
    1. +1
      10 September 2013 08: 52
      The products of these brands are manufactured in China or already in Russia. Japan doesn’t flatten us commercially
    2. +3
      10 September 2013 17: 05
      Quote: Anatol Klim
      But why, in general, do we need a Russian-Japanese peace treaty? I go out into the street there Toyota, Mitsubishi, Nissan; I go to the store, there are Sony, Panasonic, Toshiba. Can someone explain clearly and reasonably, I will be grateful.

      I forgot to add: "... a New Japanese comes out with a strange orientation to the street ..." laughing
  32. +1
    10 September 2013 08: 42
    we are not yet so rich as to spread our wealth hi
  33. 0
    10 September 2013 08: 48
    By and large, I don’t see anything surprising in the desire of the Japanese to possess the Kuril Islands. And also I don’t see anything surprising that their Prime Minister is using the Kuril question for his own benefit, not for nothing that he took this post a second time. I would rather be surprised if he didn’t use this problem in his election campaign. And he perfectly understands that as long as our country has weight in the world, there will be the Oblomingo bird. It’s a usual information war in which our leaders have already gained experience and respond to the best of their ability powers, powers and capabilities God forbid that we should have the opportunity to develop in spite of all the obstacles and sticks that put us under the wheels. In addition, if there were no obstacles, there would be no further struggle for our existence, it would be it’s boring and not interesting to live. And when it’s boring, then you can die with longing. So, RUSSIA go ahead.
  34. +2
    10 September 2013 08: 51
    The first facility to be built on the islands after being transferred to the Japs is an American military base. Do we need it ?!
  35. stroporez
    +3
    10 September 2013 08: 55
    good islands
    in the predawn fog ---------
    not see you smoked.
    1. 0
      10 September 2013 10: 49
      Quote: stroporez
      good islands
      in the predawn fog ---------
      not see you smoked.


      Hokku? laughing good
  36. +2
    10 September 2013 08: 57
    Meanwhile, Japanese capital has been merging with Russian banks for a year now, mainly in the Far East. They will soon have the strongest lever for lobbying their interests.
  37. +5
    10 September 2013 08: 58
    And without a peace treaty, the appointment of our governor in Hokkaido would be considered a violation of international treaties?
  38. +2
    10 September 2013 09: 00
    Here zhezh! They spoiled their territory with Fukushima, more than everyone smoked together. Soon, a radioactive swamp will remain in place of Japan, and everyone will drool on our islands.
  39. andru_007
    +1
    10 September 2013 09: 06
    I suggest following the Japanese logic after the Sochi Olympics in 2014 to select Alaska ...
  40. IGS
    +2
    10 September 2013 09: 06
    They got it ... or they think that if they stood dog-like in front of the USA, and so they forgot about Hiroshima and Nagasaki, now they are scary and fanged? This pose implies otherwise.
  41. +4
    10 September 2013 09: 07
    Well, as variants of this very Hikivaki ...

    Well, let's say this option: the Kuril Islands remain with Russia, and Senkaku remain with Japan. Fortunately, Russia owns the Kuril Islands, and Japan only claims. And with Senkaku the same way - Japan owns, and the Chinese only claim. In both cases, the status quo remains.
    1. yur
      yur
      0
      10 September 2013 21: 16
      In order to please Japan, which is not really necessary for us, to quarrel with the growing 1,5 billion China? This is crazy. Yes and it will not be beautiful in relation to the ally.
  42. +2
    10 September 2013 09: 16
    Since childhood, I know the message: - MUCH YOU WANT - GET A LITTLE!
    I hope that Putin still will not squander the Russian LAND from right to left in exchange for mythical "friendship", though not for mythical ...
  43. +1
    10 September 2013 09: 27
    Tin from the tablet when you enter such a brake is horror, and any browser constantly crashes when you try to add a comment or scale to do more. Is this a problem for all tablets or only on stubs?
    1. IRON_MAN
      +1
      10 September 2013 17: 33
      I have the same problem (smart on android) How to reach the moderators? It's time to make a mobile version ...
      1. +1
        10 September 2013 17: 39
        Quote: IRON_MAN
        I have the same problem (smart on android) How to reach the moderators? It's time to make a mobile version ...

        This is for administrators, and not for moderators, I already asked several times, but the result is the same,
  44. +2
    10 September 2013 09: 30
    We are on the alert, we are following the enemy. We do not want to span an alien land, but we will not give up our tip.
  45. onegin61
    -8
    10 September 2013 09: 31
    I read komenty, and now mine: there will be nothing on these islands in the near future, there is no money for this, and there will not be any special economic offers. But you can lease Japs in exchange for modern technologies so that they don’t say that we lagged behind them forever. Otherwise, some technology is being sold to us, only yesterday. Nobody wants to see Russia developed, but only as a raw materials appendage.
    1. jiz sibiri
      +1
      10 September 2013 09: 37
      first you rent yourself to the khachiks and then write and then we'll see which melon you die

      (to lease the same as to tear off the islands)
      1. onegin61
        -7
        10 September 2013 09: 43
        And you are like a dog in the manger, and indeed there is no dog in the manger ..
        1. jiz sibiri
          +4
          10 September 2013 09: 55
          Mr. Onegin, don’t fall low, don’t (I’m new and can’t set - + I still can’t)
    2. Dovmont
      0
      11 September 2013 20: 03
      Alaska leased the same! The lease expired 50 years ago. Chot mattress makers are in no hurry to "give Alyasochka back", as Rastorguev sings.
  46. pa_nik
    +2
    10 September 2013 09: 37
    It would be nice to direct Japanese energy towards ... China. How to do this is a question. But two tasks eastward by Russia would be solved hi
    1. 0
      10 September 2013 11: 58
      We need to learn from Uncle Cherchel, at one time he skillfully transferred Hitler’s arrows to the USSR.
  47. +10
    10 September 2013 09: 37
    That is the truth, brother!
    1. Dovmont
      0
      11 September 2013 19: 52
      Why is the member black? from King Kong or what?
  48. +5
    10 September 2013 09: 44
    Quote: j iz sibiri
    at the expense of Siberia and keeps all this fucking country

    Follow the words! If she is like you -...., get out of her. Do not stink.
    1. jiz sibiri
      -1
      10 September 2013 09: 53
      would you follow a naive

      or do you want to say that most of our country lives with dignity

      (think before you write)
      1. jiz sibiri
        0
        10 September 2013 16: 42
        I get the impression that we all live well and that’s why it’s over or on this site all from MOSCOW
    2. jiz sibiri
      0
      10 September 2013 10: 40
      Mr. Black, if you live well (somewhere near Moscow probably), this does not mean that most of the country lives like you

      do not think in one mug for others

      that’s when most of the country heals with dignity then the fucking word changes
      1. 0
        10 September 2013 13: 09
        Quote: j iz sibiri
        jiz sibiri


        I live in Moscow. Only thieves and thieves with deputies are worthy of Eivut here. The rest, just like everywhere else, do not live but survive. So I agree with you, for example. The hypocrisy of some cheers of patriots on the site at times just rolls over! Or they really are from "Rublyovka" simply.
        1. jiz sibiri
          0
          10 September 2013 13: 43
          Quote: Manager
          Quote: j iz sibiri
          jiz sibiri


          I live in Moscow. Only thieves and thieves with deputies are worthy of Eivut here. The rest, just like everywhere else, do not live but survive. So I agree with you, for example. The hypocrisy of some cheers of patriots on the site at times just rolls over! Or they really are from "Rublyovka" simply.

          Yes, I am also amazed at this hypocritical patriot
        2. yur
          yur
          0
          10 September 2013 21: 27
          I live in a village near Smolensk, but I will never call my country fucking because I HAVE HONOR.
          1. jiz sibiri
            +1
            11 September 2013 05: 50
            now if you also had brains it would be wonderful
      2. -1
        10 September 2013 14: 29
        Quote: j iz sibiri
        mister black if you live well

        Explain to me what it means to "live well", just not in money, but in material goods - food, clothing, housing, etc.
        1. 0
          10 September 2013 14: 54
          Quote: Setrac
          Explain to me what it means to "live well", just not in money, but in material goods - food, clothing, housing, etc.


          Well, this is when you are confident in tomorrow that you will not be kicked from work and your relatives will not remain hungry for a while. It’s good when at least once a year you can afford a 2-week vacation. It’s good when you have more than 2 pairs of winter shoes. It’s good when you have a car (a maintenance that has passed on the fly) and a set of winter tires for it. It’s good when you yourself can at least repair a summer cottage (I’ll add it well when there is a summer cottage). It’s good when your children and wife are properly dressed and even have normal phones. It’s good when you can pay for your children’s studies and summer vacations not in a military sports camp (although I liked it there at one time), but in a children's camp on the sea (in which I probably would have liked it even more). Continue on?
          1. -1
            10 September 2013 15: 41
            Quote: Manager
            Well, that’s when you’re sure about tomorrow,

            Quote: Manager
            Continue on?

            All of the above is easy to implement, if you are ready to work, but if you are an office plankton, manager, then who is to blame for you?
            1. jiz sibiri
              0
              10 September 2013 16: 17
              gaspad you think with your head before you write
              Quote: Setrac
              Quote: Manager
              Well, that’s when you’re sure about tomorrow,

              Quote: Manager
              Continue on?

              All of the above is easy to implement, if you are ready to work, but if you are an office plankton, manager, then who is to blame for you?

              people people do you think with your head before you write
              1. 0
                10 September 2013 17: 08
                Quote: j iz sibiri
                people people do you think with your head before you write

                What's wrong? What didn’t you like?
                1. jiz sibiri
                  0
                  10 September 2013 17: 51
                  Quote: Setrac
                  Quote: j iz sibiri
                  people people do you think with your head before you write

                  What's wrong? What didn’t you like?


                  for you personally, the person wrote to you that stability is necessary
        2. jiz sibiri
          0
          10 September 2013 16: 13
          no need to turn on the fool
      3. +4
        10 September 2013 17: 09
        Quote: j iz sibiri
        that’s when most of the country heals with dignity then the fucking word changes

        With people like you, this country will quickly be "leased".
        Do not grind your tongue - you will marry a smart one ... but it's too late. fool
        1. 0
          10 September 2013 17: 44
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          With people like you, this country will quickly be "leased".
          Do not grind your tongue - you will marry a smart one ... but it's too late.


          Our authorities are fucking, people are also massively degrading. But in general, the country is wonderful!
        2. jiz sibiri
          0
          10 September 2013 17: 54
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          Quote: j iz sibiri
          that’s when most of the country heals with dignity then the fucking word changes

          With people like you, this country will quickly be "leased".
          Do not grind your tongue - you will marry a smart one ... but it's too late. fool

          Do you want everything to remain as it is?

          I'm not going to go smart, let it be as it is
          1. 0
            10 September 2013 18: 25
            Quote: j iz sibiri
            for you personally, the person wrote to you that stability is necessary

            Quote: j iz sibiri
            Do you want everything to remain as it is?

            I'm not going to go smart, let it be as it is

            Well, what kind of stability can there be if people like you and the manager are calling on the barricades? Let's arrange a new redistribution of power to the delight of overseas "friends".
            1. -1
              10 September 2013 20: 00
              Quote: Setrac
              Well, what kind of stability can there be if people like you and the manager are calling on the barricades? Let's arrange a new redistribution of power to the delight of overseas "friends".


              Hear you speak, but don’t speak ... where I called for baricades ... Follow the tongue of an Intelligent!
              1. 0
                10 September 2013 22: 26
                Quote: Manager
                Hear you speak, but don’t speak ... where I called for baricades ... Follow the tongue of an Intelligent!

                Hear you, liberal homegrown, you yourself have chosen such a nickname, manager damn it, office plankton, go work. Your anti-government rhetoric on this site is the appeal, probably you were excommunicated from the feeder and now you are crazy.
          2. +3
            10 September 2013 19: 16
            Quote: j iz sibiri
            With people like you, this country will quickly be "leased".
            Do not grind your tongue - you will marry a smart one ... but it's too late.
            Do you want everything to remain as it is?

            I'm not going to go smart, let it be as it is



            And then I think, who sculpts this minus in impotent rage?
  49. pa_nik
    +2
    10 September 2013 09: 44
    and further.. feel The yapps recalled an anecdote with their maneuver: The priest is asked: "Father .. What are you going to drink wine or vodka?", the one: "And beer. My son ...".

    Give them only a finger .. wink a bite on the elbow.
  50. pa_nik
    +6
    10 September 2013 09: 46
    Quote: Onegin61
    .And rent out the Japs


    I do not agree! Alaska has already been rented to one ... winked
    1. onegin61
      -5
      10 September 2013 09: 57
      On these islands, in principle, there is nothing and no one is going to invest there on our side, only a symbol that ours. You can hook the Japanese with a lease, this is not a sale, and then milk it on technology.
      1. jiz sibiri
        +2
        10 September 2013 10: 05
        here you are a difficult person people gave you an example
        (renting under any pretext is not an option)
        1. onegin61
          -2
          10 September 2013 10: 20
          How old are these islands with us, from the age of 45, and nothing happens and will not happen, because they are a symbol, well, or not, it’s like money under a mattress or in a bank, everyone decides for himself
          1. +2
            10 September 2013 10: 32
            But what about the maritime territories of these islands? Even if for another 100 years nothing "happens" on them, in no case should they be rented out or as a "gift"!
        2. 0
          10 September 2013 10: 45
          Well, why. A healthy thought. Under one condition --- Before renting an island, you need to build on it (and make them fork out) our Naval Base. With all the attributes (military patrols throughout the island, etc.) etc.) Let them transfer production there. Do not give citizenship under any circumstances (marriage-marriage is fraught).
      2. Misantrop
        +7
        10 September 2013 10: 28
        Quote: Onegin61
        You can hook the Japanese with a lease, this is not a sale, and then milk it on technology.
        Strongly Cuba milked the United States on technology through the lease of Guantanamo?
        1. onegin61
          -2
          10 September 2013 10: 58
          comparison example is wrong
        2. 0
          10 September 2013 11: 03
          And how to get the Yankees out of there? Everything is legal. They rent. The contract was signed already in 1898. Read the Wiki.
      3. +1
        10 September 2013 10: 34
        there is something to dig there, on these islands rare earth minerals. walk the topic.
        1. +1
          10 September 2013 10: 37
          Iturup has the world's only economically viable rhenium deposit. It was discovered in 1992 on the Kudryavy volcano. The field is represented by a fumarole field with constantly operating sources of high-temperature deep fluids - fumaroles. Rhenium is in the form of the mineral rheniite ReS2, with a structure similar to molybdenite.
          http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C8%F2%F3%F0%F3%EF
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  51. +9
    10 September 2013 09: 55
    “And Putin showed me this bolt!”
    1. Rezun
      +1
      10 September 2013 22: 46
      Comrade! Tafay pokasifat in Russian...
  52. +7
    10 September 2013 09: 58
    Let the helpers patch up their nuclear power plant first, otherwise they will crap on the entire ocean with impunity am
  53. +2
    10 September 2013 10: 01
    Why are they even excited? Yes, they will soon have to dump somewhere in large numbers! What else Fukushima will present there is unknown. Every day something new is found: now there is fonitus here, now there... But fish are still caught near Fukushima. For sale. They are also enterprising. The teachers were good...
    1. 0
      11 September 2013 01: 24
      Fukushima is a scientific experiment to breed Godzilla. wink
  54. Dima190579
    +4
    10 September 2013 10: 09
    Let them live to see the Olympics first. Otherwise, they will either turn from a stalker into bloodsuckers or into a province of China.
  55. +3
    10 September 2013 10: 19
    Why does Japan need the Kuril Islands? Is the region rich in natural resources? Partly yes. But most importantly, Japan, having reached the Olympus of economic power, is trying to dictate terms to Russia, which cannot boast of great success in economic development. With such actions, Japan wants to erase the victories won with the blood of Soviet soldiers in World War 2, in fact, to humiliate Russia. There is no need for a peace treaty that will be obtained at such a price! There is an established reality, legally enshrined: The Kuril Islands are an integral part of Russian territory. Other “offended” countries are eagerly awaiting the outcome of Japan’s claims against Russia. Finland, the Baltic neighbors, Germany, China - almost all neighbors want to chop off a piece of Russian land. So forget about your dreams, gentlemen of the Japanese.
    1. +3
      10 September 2013 11: 14
      Japan Kuril Islands to one place. The Americans need them to lock the TF at sea. By Japanese hands, of course. Well, or together
  56. -1
    10 September 2013 10: 20
    The US President, concluding peace with Japan, did not humiliate himself like Putin. Vladimir Putin’s humiliating agreement with Shinzo Abe that the USSR was not the victor of Japan in 1945 is completely unnecessary for concluding a peace treaty. The United States signed the San Francisco Peace Treaty with Japan in 1951 without any semblance of such slimy language. And it is absolutely clear that any president who tried to insert them into the text would be guaranteed to turn into a political corpse.
    http://ru.wikisource.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B0%D0%BD-%D0%A4%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%86%

    D0%B8%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%B4%

    D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%80_%281951%29
  57. +3
    10 September 2013 10: 24
    But what do the Japanese have to do with it? They are American mongrels, as the Yankees say, so they will bark. The Japanese are a humiliated nation that does not have its own voice.

    And if there is nothing to populate the islands with, then it doesn’t matter, you can make a nuclear weapons testing site. I think just a hint of this idea will cool the Japanese.
    1. onegin61
      +1
      10 September 2013 10: 36
      We have a moratorium on testing nuclear weapons, and technologies are being changed to plasma weapons (the case in Chelyabinsk), so if only to store them there.
      1. +1
        10 September 2013 12: 20
        We have a moratorium on testing nuclear weapons, and technologies are being changed to plasma weapons (the case in Chelyabinsk), so if only to store them there.
        Nuclear Waste for example... although... the Japanese seem to develop immunity to radiation sickness.
  58. -1
    10 September 2013 10: 37
    Of course, the Kuril Islands are to hell with them, but by and large barter would be possible. The Japanese have, for example, a dozen and a half destroyers and a couple of aircraft carriers in 5 years, and we give them 1-2 skeletons. It seems to me a sound idea, because on these islands there is nothing except bears and fish.
  59. +2
    10 September 2013 10: 38
    We need to offer them an exchange, we give them the Kuril Islands, they give us Hokkaido or another large island. I wish I could see how the Japanese would talk then. They really want the Kuril Islands, we’ll give it up for Hokkaido!
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  62. +1
    10 September 2013 10: 47
    Quote: links
    The impudence of the Japanese knows no boundaries, it is necessary to quickly populate all the Kuril Islands
    1. jiz sibiri
      +1
      10 September 2013 10: 51
      Quote: KAMS
      The impudence of the Japanese knows no boundaries, it is necessary to quickly populate all the Kuril Islands


      Who will settle the exiles from Moscow?
      1. 0
        10 September 2013 11: 52
        ... embezzlers and members of the government who caused damage to the country with their “reforms”, and appoint Gorboch as MEEER, without the right to make any decisions independently and without the right to leave the islands for life!
        Let them take care of “perestroika” there!
        1. +2
          10 September 2013 21: 13
          Quote: ia-ai00
          embezzlers and members of the government who, with their “reforms,” caused damage to the country, and appoint Gorboch as MEEER, without the right to make any decisions independently and without the right to leave the islands for life!
          Let them take care of “perestroika” there!


          Well, yes!! These guys will steal everything that they haven’t managed to steal yet, and Gorbi will break the Kuril Islands into pieces and give it to the Japanese for the next Nobel Prize)))
    2. 0
      10 September 2013 10: 55
      In the good old days there was such a custom: you make an offer, you carry it out. So, would you like to purchase a one-way ticket to the Kuril Islands and check in?
      1. 0
        10 September 2013 14: 20
        An offer from KznoKrad?
  63. bond_es
    0
    10 September 2013 10: 54
    We've watched enough anime and our minds are blown...
  64. +1
    10 September 2013 10: 57
    <<<So, the General Secretary of the Liberal Democratic Party ruling in the Land of the Rising Sun, Shigeru Ishiba, visiting the village of Nemuro on the island of Hokkaido, did not deny himself the nostalgic pleasure of admiring the beauty of the four Russian islands of the South Kuril ridge: Iturup, Kunashir, Shikotan and Habomai.> >>
    Since this nostalgia for the lost islands (due to its own stupidity: there was no need to suffer from delusions of grandeur and complain about the Russian bear back in 1904-05), covers more and more Japanese, especially among politicians, and they so often like to consider from the territory of Japan, the beauty of the four RUSSIAN islands, that this becomes similar to some kind of ritual pilgrimage, it is advisable to place huge posters on the Russian islands closest to Japan (out of four), so that they can be read from Japan with the following text: “DON’T WAIT " or "A dead donkey is your ears, not Kurillas", options are possible! This will be a good cure for Japanese nostalgia!
  65. 0
    10 September 2013 11: 05
    1. We won’t give it, because Japan was the aggressor and the islands became payment for this aggression.
    2. Reserves of rare earth elements have been explored on the islands and Russia should engage in their industrial development.
  66. onegin61
    -1
    10 September 2013 11: 09
    Quote: Duelist
    their industrial development should be undertaken.
    Since 45 it “should”, something doesn’t work out
  67. +1
    10 September 2013 11: 12
    why not invite these rice muzzles to annex Japan to the Kuril Islands? Subtly hinting that the absence of a peace treaty somehow allows this to be done... in one way or another. And in general, in such negotiations, in response to the beginning claims and conditions, one should directly rub one’s nose into the fact that the Japanese lost the war, so it should be on their collar so that they don’t rub their necks.

    Although about concerns about “Kemsk volost? Yes, take it!” Still there...Keeping that in mind. how at the beginning of the XNUMXs two islands were given to the Chinese and the border was moved towards Khabarovsk
    1. 0
      10 September 2013 14: 32
      Machine gun in hand and go ahead!
      1. 0
        11 September 2013 06: 14
        if the Motherland says, I’ll go without talking soldier
  68. 0
    10 September 2013 11: 15
    Quote: cobalt
    The controversial situation in the Kuril Islands is not simple, the ownership of the islands has changed more than once, there are arguments in our favor, and the Japanese have their own arguments. As long as we are a strong power, it is necessary to defend the borders, but we will be weak, and without our demand everyone will be pulled apart.

    during the Edo period from 1633 to 1854, Japan pursued a policy of self-isolation. The Japanese were officially forbidden to build ocean-going ships and leave the state. The northern borders of Japan passed along the border of the principality of Matsumae (Matsumae county), located in the southernmost part of Hokkaido. Separate contacts between the inhabitants of this principality and the Ainu living in Hokkaido and the Kuril Islands were limited to separate commercial transactions that were not encouraged by the Japanese government.
    In 1778, the first contact occurred when the Russian merchant Pavel Sergeyevich Lebedev-Lastochkin arrived in the principality of Matsumae to establish trade and diplomatic relations.
    On February 7, 1855, Japan and Russia signed the first Russo-Japanese treaty, the Shimodsk Treaty on Trade and Borders. The document established the border of the countries between the islands of Iturup and Urup. The islands of Iturup, Kunashir, Shikotan and the group of Habomai islands departed to Japan, and the rest were recognized as Russian possessions. That is why February 7 in Japan is annually celebrated as the Day of the Northern Territories since 1981. At the same time, questions about the status of Sakhalin remained unresolved, which led to conflicts between Russian and Japanese merchants and sailors.
    On May 7, 1875, the St. Petersburg Treaty was signed, according to which Russia transferred to Japan the rights to all 18 Kuril Islands in exchange for the Japanese part of Sakhalin. Thus, the borders were finally settled. In 1905, according to the results of the Russo-Japanese War, the Portsmouth Peace Treaty was signed, according to which Russia ceded the southern part of Sakhalin to Japan. They defeated the islands and South Sakhalin only in 1945, so we will deal with the Japanese more than once on this subject.


    here’s the trick: we ourselves are to blame for the fact that the Japanese have something to cling to, I quote from the wiki, a teacher at the university told us that the USSR then made a mistake:
    The Soviet-Japanese Joint Declaration of 1956 was signed on October 19, 1956 in Moscow and entered into force on December 12, 1956.
    one of its points was:An important point of the Declaration was the fate of the island of Shikotan and the Habomai Islands: they should have been transferred to Japan after the signing of the peace treaty.

    Accordingly, we, as the legal successor of the USSR, bear the consequences No.
  69. USNik
    +2
    10 September 2013 11: 18
    Su morning could not understand why most Russian news broadcasts actively covered the problem of radiation in Fukushima and the Japanese prohibited catching of luminous fish. After reading the news, I understood everything - the samurai wanted the islands in their ass. Get a move back good
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  71. onegin61
    -1
    10 September 2013 11: 30
    Quote: Curt
    :An important point of the Declaration was the fate of Shikotan Island and the Habomai Islands: they were to be transferred to Japan after the signing of the peace treaty.
    The declaration is intentions (USSR), “I might want to,” but now Russia has no intentions, this is not an agreement, and the Japanese are in vain clinging to it, diplomats then knew what to offer.
  72. +2
    10 September 2013 11: 30
    I think that if we develop these islands and register their presence, so to speak, many Japanese claims will disappear.
  73. +1
    10 September 2013 11: 32
    Quote: aviator_IAS
    Let them admire from afar.

    As they say, we don’t take money to watch. Admire it. Reptiles.
  74. onegin61
    +1
    10 September 2013 11: 42
    What else can I say, it’s a rich country, they live on each other’s heads (if anyone has been there, he knows), well, their leadership wants to amuse themselves, but it turns out like a “pug”
  75. yurii79v
    +3
    10 September 2013 11: 51
    You first need to give normal RUSSIAN names to the islands, otherwise the islands are Russian and the Japanese names are probably nonsense, so Russification is needed =)
    1. +1
      10 September 2013 12: 17
      Yeah, there are names for the islands: "Baby", "Fat Man" and "Kuzkina's Mother" . If traditional medicine is not able to restore their memory. There is an ancient Russian method - Repetition is the mother of learning!
    2. -3
      10 September 2013 14: 36
      These names are not Japanese. These names were given to the islands by the Ainu, the original inhabitants of the islands. After 1945, Soviet troops partially exterminated the Ainu, and the survivors were deported to Japan.
  76. onegin61
    0
    10 September 2013 11: 56
    Quote: yurii79v
    You first need to give normal RUSSIAN names to the islands, otherwise the islands are Russian and the Japanese names are probably nonsense, so Russification is needed =)
    This will not change the attitude; Kaliningrad is still called konigsberg and on maps it is also in ().
  77. yurii79v
    0
    10 September 2013 12: 03
    So Kaliningrad also needs to be renamed, otherwise the name is kind of Soviet, and if Habomai sounds better, for example, than the island of St. Elijah Muromets, then of course there is no need to rename =)
  78. +1
    10 September 2013 12: 09
    In general, the war in Syria is cancelled! The Amers leaked this round, and therefore returned to the previous irritants: the IAEA is again not happy with Iran, Obama is puzzled by Nagorno-Karabakh, Japan remembered the islands.... Life is getting better :) the war is cancelled, winter is upon us, and the whole world remembers that Zimushka- Winter always fights on the side of Russia - both at the front and on the stock exchange.
    1. jiz sibiri
      +1
      10 September 2013 12: 15
      Quote: Muadipus
      In general, the war in Syria is cancelled! The Amers leaked this round, and therefore returned to the previous irritants: the IAEA is again not happy with Iran, Obama is puzzled by Nagorno-Karabakh, Japan remembered the islands.... Life is getting better :) the war is cancelled, winter is upon us, and the whole world remembers that Zimushka- Winter always fights on the side of Russia - both at the front and on the stock exchange.

      The Americans have already leaked a lot of things, so they are looking for a way out in Karabakh and the Far East, how to mess with us so that we don’t get involved in Syria
  79. +1
    10 September 2013 12: 19
    Thus, the General Secretary of the ruling Liberal Democratic Party in the Land of the Rising Sun, Shigeru Ishiba, visiting the village of Nemuro on the island of Hokkaido, did not deny himself the nostalgic pleasure of admiring the beauty of the four Russian islands of the South Kuril ridge: Iturup, Kunashir, Shikotan and Habomai.


    Why are they tormenting themselves like this? Just like impotent people watching a porn movie. They won't be able to do anything anyway. wassat
  80. +3
    10 September 2013 12: 21
    The Kuril Islands are not only biological resources for Russia, but also an outlet to the Pacific Ocean. The loss of the Kuril Islands would mean strategic defeat and disaster. If the Kuril Islands are given up, then no one in the east will take Russia into account anymore. For the Kuril Islands, you may have to fight with Japan again in the future, especially in light of the current growth of this country’s ambitions, and it will be worth it.

    Not the President, but Russia cannot afford to give up the Kuril Islands
  81. +3
    10 September 2013 12: 23
    There may be a dangerous precedent, look, Germany will start demanding Kaliningrad back)
    1. +1
      10 September 2013 13: 44
      Quote: Maks-80
      Look, Germany will start demanding Kaliningrad back)

      It won’t start, there is a decision of the Potsdam Conference on the liquidation of East Prussia as a state entity, with its subsequent transfer to the USSR and Poland, with Poland getting two-thirds of East Prussia, and the USSR receiving only a third. And as for the Kuril Islands, not everything is so smooth... That's why the Japanese are twitching...
      1. +1
        10 September 2013 14: 38
        In addition, there is the Moscow Treaty of 1970.
      2. 0
        11 September 2013 19: 38
        I wonder if Finland can make some kind of territorial claims against us?)
        1. 0
          12 September 2013 08: 34
          Quote: Maks-80
          I wonder if Finland can make some kind of territorial claims against us?)

          For the Finns, the territories seized as a result of the “Winter War” are the same sore spot as the Kuril Islands for the Japanese. laughing Periodically they bark and promise gingerbread... wink
        2. +2
          12 September 2013 08: 43
          Quote: Maks-80
          I wonder if Finland

          If only Finland
          1. +2
            12 September 2013 11: 17
            Quote: Cynic
            If only Finland

            On this subject, there is a book by Viktor Stechkin “Who else needs a piece of Russia, or Who will get the ears of a dead donkey?” lol
  82. +1
    10 September 2013 12: 31
    To Italy’s claims to return art objects seized by the French, Napoleon replied: “Declare war on us!” We must answer for the provocations of the Japanese military in 1938-1945.
  83. +1
    10 September 2013 12: 36
    If Russia gives up the Kuril Islands to Japan, then this will mean the political weakness of our country... All sorts of “deprived” will immediately begin from every dusty corner. The Kuril Islands are ours. And period!
    1. 0
      12 September 2013 12: 34
      Quote: GoldKonstantin
      If Russia gives Japan the Kuril Islands, this will mean the political weakness of our country...

      Not weakness - the political death of such leadership and a waterfall of international awards, silver coins in another way!
      Judas, following the teachings of Jesus, accomplished an ascetic feat, creating an image for centuries of a traitor to everything that a person holds dear.
      Unfortunately, it didn't work out for everyone.
  84. +1
    10 September 2013 12: 37
    I thought that the Japanese were proud samurai, but they whine and whine like beaten dogs. Although yes, they are beaten and, judging by the loss of contact with reality, beaten in the head...))))
  85. +4
    10 September 2013 12: 51
    Dear friends, is there anyone on the forum from the Kuril Islands? I was there a long time ago, back in 86 as a kid. And the impressions remained very gloomy. There were only military men and their families there, and life was very tough for them there. If everything has changed for the better, then why not develop the region and send young specialists for at least 5 years. Look, the Japs will stop whining about the so-called northern territories
  86. Guterjunge
    +1
    10 September 2013 12: 54
    Japan has long been frightened by the “northern threat”, first by the Dutch, then by the Anglo-Saxons. It seems to me that the Kuril Islands would have been sorted out long ago if not for the American “friends”.
  87. Egor.nic
    +1
    10 September 2013 13: 14
    The Japanese want the Kuril Islands - let the Japanese want more....
  88. +2
    10 September 2013 13: 35
    The Putin-Medvedev team has already given the following territories 1- Section of the disputed Barents Sea to Norway
    2. Islands on the Amur to the Chinese 3. A village in Dagestan to the Azerbaijanis 4 the Barents Sea shelf to the Americans (I’m not sure that they handed it over) 5 Now there is a delimitation of territories in the Altai Territory, the Chinese will again get away with it 6 Joint development of the Kuril Islands with the Japs... that’s all from Kremlin sources...everything is official except for point 4....he leaked something that he didn’t check
    1. +1
      10 September 2013 21: 17
      Quote: gispanec
      Village in Dagestan - Azerbaijanis


      Can you give me a link to the village?
      1. 0
        11 September 2013 00: 42
        Quote: lonely
        Quote: gispanec
        Village in Dagestan - Azerbaijanis


        Can you give me a link to the village?

        no, I won’t give it.....sorry, but follow the information yourself, and if it’s difficult, don’t ask....but the village, along with its inhabitants, has completely come under the jurisdiction of Azerbaijan...troll the Internet...it’s there... I described the fact!!!
  89. +1
    10 September 2013 13: 50
    I haven’t read it, but I’ve heard from those in the know that the transfer of any Russian territories to anyone should be carried out through a REFERENDUM...
    Otherwise, excess of powers by the executive branch... Court and inevitably turmoil...
    1. 0
      10 September 2013 14: 17
      The 1993 Constitution of the Russian Federation contains no provisions prohibiting secession from the state. It is possible to become part of the Russian Federation and the corresponding procedure is set out in the Federal Law "On the procedure for admission to the Russian Federation.........". So secession is not formally prohibited by anyone. This is our Basic Law.
    2. 0
      10 September 2013 14: 32
      But in Russia there is a caste of non-judicial people, have you forgotten? They are even afraid to open a criminal case against one of them, “misled”, but for his girlfriend they came up with a terrible punishment - RINGED...
  90. XIMMMIK
    0
    10 September 2013 13: 54
    We won't give anything away! Stop sawing Russia piece by piece! tearing pieces from the Motherland is the most vile and base thing... spitting on us and on the history of Russia... THIS IS OUR HOME! Whoever comes to us with a sword will die by the sword
  91. Vityaz68
    0
    10 September 2013 14: 14
    THEY WILL NEVER GET IT!! bully
  92. i_vam_ne_hvoratj
    +5
    10 September 2013 14: 15
    Dear Colleagues. Once upon a time, in the mid-80s of the last century, I, in the company of young and not so young first mates and captains, had to communicate live with Alexander Bovin. (For those who have forgotten, I remind you that this is a correspondent and political scientist of the 60s - 90s of the last century. An extraordinary personality. You can talk about him endlessly. But for that time, he was, first of all, a window to the world. Moreover , that for him there were no topics of discussion that were taboo at that time.) There was a unique procedure in those days - socio-political certification. We walked, let's say, under pressure until we found out. There was a lot to talk about. (It was the Gorbachev era.) But for the rest of my life I remembered his answer to Japanese television about the Kuril problem: “We are such a great country because we never give anything of ours to anyone!” . The point is not that now there is neither the strength nor the means (we will not discuss the country’s financial policy) to develop the Kuril Islands. We don’t have enough money to continue the development of Chukotka. (So ​​far, thank the CPSU, no one has thought of changing it for anything). Years have passed since that meeting... Much has changed... (Briefly, you can put it in the words of the immortal Vereshchagin from “The White Sun of the Desert.” But I don’t want to be accused of plagiarism - I have already referred to other people’s words.) We agreed to change the borders of our country (and along the Amur and in the Pacific Ocean), instead of being friends with someone, they began to be friends against someone, they began to abandon former (although there are no such things) friends with the vague prospect of making friends. For some reason, I’ve become chatty like an old man. I'll try to put it in a nutshell. None of the leaders of the Persian Gulf would ever think of giving away even a handful of their sand. Because it is the property of posterity. And I have already heard about the expansion of living space for the country with a population comparable to the population of Russia and an area the size of the average region of Russia. These are the 30s and 40s of the last century. Although, there is no harm in wanting.
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  94. Garyk701
    +2
    10 September 2013 14: 36
    Quote: Chuck-Norris
    Can you give a link to his words? Very interesting!

    Of course, this was not published openly. But the information leaked out that Putin is ready to exchange these essentially worthless (for Russia) islands for American military bases in Japan, but everyone understands that the Americans will never leave these bases. They have missile defense radars firing across the whole of Russia. Moreover, now the Americans are planning to place another radar there. It’s like the British settled in Cyprus once and for all and placed their radar on the highest mountain in Cyprus. The Cypriots spit but cannot do anything.
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    1. -1
      10 September 2013 14: 51
      Cons: retaliatory nuclear strike. Russia ceases to exist, the remaining territory is captured by the Chinese...
      Let me remind you that in addition to the fact that the United States undertook to defend Japan under the treaty, there are American bases throughout the territory. The contingent of the bases is about 100 people, plus members of their families. This is already 000 - 200 thousand, plus about 300 thousand Americans permanently living and working in Japan. Is this enough for the US to retaliate? Yes, damn it, more than?
      Where do you guys come from? In the madhouse, were patients allowed to use net?
      Do you want to burn millions of ordinary people in nuclear fire? This, excuse me, is already a diagnosis and it’s time to be treated.
  96. albanech
    0
    10 September 2013 14: 44
    Thanks to the author! The Japanese will only get a “herring ear”, not the Kuril Islands! Glory to Russia!
    1. -1
      11 September 2013 00: 47
      Quote from albanech
      Thanks to the author! The Japanese will only get a “herring ear”, not the Kuril Islands!

      and you’re a stupid troll.....not on topic at all, but you’re yelling like a freak...in short, when someone like you goes extinct...then Russia will stand up too
  97. 0
    10 September 2013 15: 05
    Instead of “hikiwaki”, I would suggest the Japanese to make themselves “Seppuku”! and they wouldn’t lose face and wouldn’t irritate their neighbors’ brains.
  98. Quiet
    0
    10 September 2013 15: 06
    Quote: links
    After the Olympics, Japan wanted the Southern Kuriles



    I'm on the toilet!!! The paper is out!!! I don’t mind if Japan wants to lick my anus (I’ll check the quality with a clean napkin)!!!!! wassat fool belay am
  99. 0
    10 September 2013 15: 21
    Quote: cobalt
    The controversial situation in the Kuril Islands is not simple, the ownership of the islands has changed more than once, there are arguments in our favor, and the Japanese have their own arguments. As long as we are a strong power, it is necessary to defend the borders, but we will be weak, and without our demand everyone will be pulled apart.

    during the Edo period from 1633 to 1854, Japan pursued a policy of self-isolation. The Japanese were officially forbidden to build ocean-going ships and leave the state. The northern borders of Japan passed along the border of the principality of Matsumae (Matsumae county), located in the southernmost part of Hokkaido. Separate contacts between the inhabitants of this principality and the Ainu living in Hokkaido and the Kuril Islands were limited to separate commercial transactions that were not encouraged by the Japanese government.
    In 1778, the first contact occurred when the Russian merchant Pavel Sergeyevich Lebedev-Lastochkin arrived in the principality of Matsumae to establish trade and diplomatic relations.
    On February 7, 1855, Japan and Russia signed the first Russo-Japanese treaty, the Shimodsk Treaty on Trade and Borders. The document established the border of the countries between the islands of Iturup and Urup. The islands of Iturup, Kunashir, Shikotan and the group of Habomai islands departed to Japan, and the rest were recognized as Russian possessions. That is why February 7 in Japan is annually celebrated as the Day of the Northern Territories since 1981. At the same time, questions about the status of Sakhalin remained unresolved, which led to conflicts between Russian and Japanese merchants and sailors.
    On May 7, 1875, the St. Petersburg Treaty was signed, according to which Russia transferred to Japan the rights to all 18 Kuril Islands in exchange for the Japanese part of Sakhalin. Thus, the borders were finally settled. In 1905, according to the results of the Russo-Japanese War, the Portsmouth Peace Treaty was signed, according to which Russia ceded the southern part of Sakhalin to Japan. They defeated the islands and South Sakhalin only in 1945, so we will deal with the Japanese more than once on this subject.



    We conquered the Kuril Islands in 1945, we are a victorious country, and let us be glad that we valued the blood of our soldiers at such a meager price; why should we now squabble with Germany over Kaliningrad.
    1. 0
      10 September 2013 15: 30
      It is not that simple. We shed much more blood for Berlin and Berlin did not become Russian. The main snag is that there is not a single treaty that would LEGALLY assign the Kuril Islands or South Sakhalin to the USSR. During the Soviet times, they didn’t care about this because the USSR was strong, but now times are completely different.
      1. IRON_MAN
        +2
        10 September 2013 18: 42
        Dear, unfortunately we do not live in an ideal world... What will LEGAL assignment of the islands to us give us? Maybe the UN, in the event of a conflict, will ban Japan's military operation to annex it? Maybe the United States will launch a missile strike on Tokyo to prevent the violation of democratic norms and international law? Modern realities are such that all rights and everything are secured only by military force. Whoever is stronger is right, don't you see? Japan, apart from dreams, ambitions, and such “legally”, no longer has any leverage, and therefore these islands are ours. If we were unable to defend our territories militarily, then no amount of paperwork or moral standards would prevent our most likely “partners” from tearing our sovereignty to shreds, believe me...
  100. EGORKA
    +1
    10 September 2013 15: 45
    Quote: Kibalchish
    It is not that simple. We shed much more blood for Berlin and Berlin did not become Russian. The main snag is that there is not a single treaty that would LEGALLY assign the Kuril Islands or South Sakhalin to the USSR. During the Soviet times, they didn’t care about this because the USSR was strong, but now times are completely different.

    It seems to me that this is not entirely true, the Kuril Islands are ours following the results of the Second World War, and as a result of the same results, many others still got something... and giving the islands to Japan is a precedent, so the Japs have a weak position here so far, there are no precedents, and even in their case so far Russia is strong, they are not there either, all they have to do is roll out their lip and chew and chew, and it’s time for us to hold a referendum on the Kuril Islands, and I am sure that we will not give them up and after that announce to the Japanese that the people of Russia did not give the go-ahead for the return of the Kuril Islands to them it’s time to roll back my lip) And our rulers are still dragging their feet, thereby developing chronic chewing habits among the Japanese. If I’m not mistaken, they were awarded this disease by Khrushchev, who somehow vaguely spoke on this issue, the same one who gave Crimea to Ukraine.... the horseradish corn grower)
    1. +1
      10 September 2013 15: 56
      The results of the war are secured by the final treaty. The United States is concerned about such a treaty. We don't. We essentially concluded a peace treaty with Germany in 1970. Before this, Germany did not recognize the eastern border.
      1. IRON_MAN
        0
        10 September 2013 18: 51
        The results of the war are fixed by the balance of power! When the balance of power changes, the results begin to be unsatisfactory, and a new war begins. The “USA and CO” are not satisfied with the results of the Second World War, because we lost the Cold War, the balance of power is disrupted and they are establishing a NEW WORLD ORDER and all the paperwork is up to them... UN))
    2. yur
      yur
      +1
      10 September 2013 22: 29
      Why don’t we hold a referendum on the transfer, for example, of the Moscow region to the Republic of Burkina Faso? What kind of referendums, why? Any movements on this topic, especially on such a scale, will mean that we ourselves are not sure of the legality of ownership of these islands. And this not so - the islands are ours both legally and in fact FOREVER.

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