Unsuccessful launch of the Bulava and transfer submarine delivery

It was previously stated that this fall or winter the Navy will receive two new nuclear submarines, Alexander Nevsky and Vladimir Monomakh, project 955 Borey. However, the events of recent days have led the Ministry of Defense to temporarily suspend state trials of these submarines. In this regard, the transfer of submarines the fleet postponed indefinitely and, most likely, will take place no earlier than the beginning of next year.

The reason for the suspension of state tests and the postponement of submarine delivery was the unsuccessful launch of the P-30 “Bulava” ballistic missile. On Friday, the 6 of September, the Alexander Nevsky submarine located in the White Sea, conducted a test launch of the Bulava rocket. In accordance with the order given by the central command post of the General Staff, the crew of the submarine prepared a rocket and launched it. The conventional target was at the Kura (Kamchatka) test site. The launch took place normally, but already in the second minute of the flight problems began. Due to a certain failure in the control system, the rocket left the calculated trajectory and fell into the waters of the Arctic Ocean. According to some sources, the automatics turned off the main engines (presumably, the second stage engines were already working at that time), which eventually led to the fall of the rocket.

To clarify the causes of the incident, the Ministry of Defense created an emergency commission, which included representatives of the military and defense industry. The commission was headed by the commander-in-chief of the Navy, Admiral V. Chirkov. The results of the first days of the work of the commission have not yet been published. At the moment, only some details of the emergency start are known. Thus, the Kommersant edition writes that the launch of the rocket was part of the second stage of state tests of the Alexander Nevsky submarine. Among other things, the program of the second stage included checking on-board weapon control systems. In addition, the publication cites the words of an unnamed source, according to which the emergency missile "Bulava" is one of the first mass-produced products of this model.

Probably, the very fact that the launch objective was to check the onboard systems of the submarine was one of the prerequisites to a significant difficulty in the investigation. According to the source of the publication Kommersant, due to the nature of the tests on the rocket, telemetry equipment was not installed. For this reason, the investigation of the incident will be much more difficult than it could be with the use of appropriate equipment.

It is worth noting that the launch was unsuccessful only for a ballistic missile. The main task of the tests was successfully completed, as reported by the Ministry of Defense and the industry. As the press service of the Sevmash shipbuilding enterprise reported, the tasks assigned to the submarine crew were successfully completed. Ship systems worked normally, and all the time for passing and executing commands fully comply with the standards. Commander-in-Chief of the Navy, Admiral V. Chirkov also spoke well of the work of sailors and shipbuilders.

However, the rocket did not hit the training target, and a special commission is now investigating the causes of this incident. Due to the lack of telemetric information, the investigation will be quite complicated. The Commission can only use information from the Daryal radar station (Komi Republic), which monitored the rocket’s flight, as well as documentation on the product used and other munitions of the same production batch. In this regard, the commission will have to study only the available information, the number and composition of which leave much to be desired. As a result, at the moment it is impossible to speak with confidence about the possible causes of the accident and it remains only to speculate.

Official data on the progress of the investigation are not yet available, but on Monday, the first information from sources, allegedly, related to the emergency commission, appeared. According to Interfax, the cause of the accident could be a malfunction in the thrust vector control system of the engines. According to an unnamed source in the defense industry, such problems became known shortly after launch. Other details have not been announced so far.

Since technical flaws or factory faults could be the cause of problems with the missile control system, all serial and ready-to-use products will be checked in the near future. In addition, according to the Ministry of Defense, the head of the department, S. Shoigu, ordered an additional test of the missiles. In accordance with the order of the Minister, five test launches of the Bulava P-30 missiles will be made in the near future. Their goal will be to confirm the declared characteristics of the ammunition.

Regardless of the specific timeframe for completing the investigation of the causes of the accident and the carrying out of additional launches, the transfer of two new submarines to the navy will move at least several months. The investigation alone, according to various estimates, will take at least a month. Further state tests should be resumed and it will also take some time to complete them. Thus, the words of the general director of Sevmash M. Budnichenko, according to which Alexander Nevsky will be commissioned on November 15, will not be justified, as all the necessary work cannot be completed by this deadline. Considering the time required to complete the tests, it can be assumed that both new boats will indeed be handed over to the customer only in the next 2014 year.

Despite the clearly negative nature Newsconcerning new submarines and ballistic missiles for them, in this situation there are some pluses. If the Friday accident was caused by deficiencies in the R-30 Bulava project or by an insufficiently responsible attitude to the work of certain employees of the enterprise building these missiles, then in the near future such shortcomings will be revealed. As a result, the result of the work of the emergency commission led by the commander-in-chief of the Navy V. Chirkov can also be a solution to the related problems. Thanks to this, the Russian Navy - albeit with a noticeable delay - will receive modern nuclear submarines and ballistic missiles, spared the drawbacks of a structural or technological nature.


On the materials of the sites:
http://kommersant.ru/
http://ria.ru/
http://interfax.ru/
http://lenta.ru/

Comments

[Drakk]

It is strange that there is not a single enthusiastic comment by fanatics about the perfection, reliability, strength and power of Russian weapons.
Nothing to say to the tunnels?

[Dangerous]

Well, what can I say ... It's sad of course, but, as we were told, there is no alternative to the Mace ...

[pahom54]

It's okay ... In general, practically in the creation and testing of any type of missile there have always been unsuccessful launches, and Bulava is no exception. They will bring it to mind, do not be afraid, Stepa-Drakk, and Russia can still beat Iskanders on the Bandera caches ... So be afraid of Russian weapons, be afraid !!!

[unclevad]

One gets the impression that the Bulava used technical solutions that are not technologically advanced. Inventing - invented, but it is very difficult to make knots with constant quality. Or the specificity of sea-based operations leaves its negative imprint on the operation of the "land" hub. Aviation workers are faced with this constantly. So big problems arose, at one time, due to the corrosion of aircraft engine parts on aircraft carriers. So these are both design and technological omissions. Over time, the Mace will be brought to mind. The only bad thing is that there were no alternative projects in principle. In Soviet times, this would not have been allowed. It is a crime to feel sorry for such money. Only now Bulava will cost the state much more than the management of several projects.

[Dmitry_24rus]

Or is it enough for everyone to chat about the positive aspects of the next unsuccessful launch of the Mace? Coming another increase in state. The costs of this project are about ten to eleven. The Moscow Institute of Thermal Engineering of the designers is happy: another 5-50 unsuccessful starts and everyone will retire (and the bureaucrats children with zp 50-100t.r.

[Russ69]

Quote: Dmitry_24rus

Coming another increase in state. The costs of this project are about ten to eleven.

There is data, provide. Or just to blurt out ...

[Russ69]

So, someone will imagine, at least something about an increase in the budget at times, A, then the cons put to me, as if talking about their absence. Apparently I'm right...

[Debryansk]

if you think that the extra 5 starts will not cost a penny, then you are a fool, the cost of one rocket is not small.

[Russ69]

Quote: Debryansk

if you think that the extra 5 starts will not cost a penny, then you are a fool, the cost of one rocket is not small.

Firstly, there would still be launches on any ... if not five then 2-3 for sure.
Secondly, is this an increase at times or what?
And thirdly, learn to talk ...

[pahom54]

The Moscow Institute of Heat Engineering has a lot of merits to the Fatherland, both in Soviet and modern times. And scientists never had crazy salaries, and bureaucrats' children, if they got to the institute for doom, were unlikely to move science and technology forward. So, probably, you should not have mixed scientists-laborers and bureaucrats children.
And I repeat: during the development and implementation of new systems and types of missiles, there were, unsuccessful launches, are and will be, and this topic should not be discussed. But thermal scientists need only wish them luck in their hard work.

[tilovaykrisa]

At one time, a little more than 30 enterprises across the USSR worked for the manufacture of the "Topol" product. + Gos.priemka, and now look at who and how makes "Bulava" and in the subject - Gos.Priemka. Bottom line: we have, as they say, before our eyes. Marine comp. nothing to do with, the rocket is not an AK47, but I will not say anything about the personnel at all.

[tilovaykrisa]

Well, of course, it will not be an exception, if the design bureau has been designing reinforced concrete products all its life and then do it in a short time (my opinion lobbying the institute for the state order and the overestimated ambitions of the leadership), there is no experience, Sineva was not accepted and it was good the classic path of trial and error, add crooked suppliers, corruption, popular by all, here are the reasons for failure, a child is born in agony, but this is normal if only he is healthy at the exit.

And save the Iskander, be afraid of God to spend such an expensive and necessary weight on some forest monkeys. This theme for Natsik from the Baltic come in handy.

[Bersaglieri]

How was it that "Sineva" was not accepted? It stands on the modernized 667BDRM. And now "Liner" is already on trials, its further development, with a new breeding platform and BB. And it flies successfully.

[vvvvv]

I agree with your opinion, but not only because they will bring to mind. More important is the other - the more problems and difficulties, the more thorough the approach, responsibility will be set for the future. Now the cones are full, but in any difficult business. Smoothly can only be talkers and loafers. For example, I suffered for 3 weeks due to the glitch of the Internet and got Rostelecom. Three times specialists came and could not establish the cause. By all indications, the problem was not on my part. But, in the third congregation of specialists, it was clarified that nevertheless something could not have come to my mind, what exactly. As soon as they left, insight came over me. One could not have guessed that, attention !, the underload of pages on the Internet and the instability of the Internet channel was caused by ... an external drive connected via eSata ... Well, who could have guessed that ?! But, a fact is a fact ... Some kind of hardware or driver conflict. But, now I have knowledge from this experience. Let this happen right now, when I didn’t have a lot of work to do and it only got on my nerves. So much for the Mace. Let it be better to immediately identify any unknown glitches that can then give knowledge in some even more recent missiles.

[Natalia]

Quote: Drakk

It is strange that there is not a single enthusiastic comment by fanatics about the perfection, reliability, strength and power of Russian weapons.
Nothing to say to the tunnels?

Russian weapons, they will always be Russian weapons, and they will be feared, at all times ... and failure to create unique developments is more a rule than an exception, failures now show us what we must do so that later, at a decisive moment, we don’t failed ...

And we have such weapons and we are making them, and they are afraid of us, and even America ... and what you have, you look at me as a Ukrainian ... and then I will say some things, but we don’t like Ukraine. the fact that Russia is at least a Power does not doubt well, no one, but certainly Ukraine is a power, there are some doubts ....

[xan]

Quote: Natalia

Russian weapons, they will always be Russian weapons, and they will be feared, at all times

Natalia, do not pay attention to the envious.

If you want a good weapon - buy German, if you want cheap - buy Chinese. If you are going to fight, buy Russian. (stolen)

[VAF]

Quote: Natalia

Russian weapons it will always be Russian weapons

if you take away your "enthusiastic-pathetic" tone in the style ... we will tear everyone, then ... I agree!
Hta you. as a man. it seems to be with ..army must understand that the weapon itself is .. a piece of iron, and most importantly it is MAN !!!

Quote: Natalia

creating unique designs is more a rule than an exception

Here, I agree the same, but there’s only a maaalenko, but BUT "uniqueness" ended after being adopted ... no need to explain further ???
Well, just in case ..... if Sineva was also in the nuclear submarine, then there are no questions .. "did not work out" or ... as in this case .. "could not" Bulava, can Sineva and BE completed.
And so who will you awaken and what to explain if the boat goes to the database (or BS, as I understood from the sailors of the BS) and an order arrives ... to squeeze, well, for example, in Washington and ..... what ... all boat systems worked normally

Well, the rest of your statement about fear and not power .. this is your opinion I will not get into a polemic.

Of course they were worth putting a minus, but ... promised, sir!

[tilovaykrisa]

I never understood the reasons for rejecting the "blue", the only thought was lobbying for MIT.

[Russ69]

Quote: tilovaykrisa

I never understood the reasons for rejecting the "blue", the only thought was lobbying for MIT.

"Sineva" was put into service in 2007, even the carriers are indicated in the wiki. Plus "Liner" is being tested, and this is the modernized "Sineva".

[studentmati]

Quote: tilovaykrisa

I never understood the reasons for rejecting the "blue", the only thought was lobbying for MIT.

Not sure what lobbying is? Most likely bet on Solomonov in the absence of a budget. The era of competition Queen, Glushko, Chelomei, Makeeva ... after all, has already passed. Stupidly there is no budget for such competition.

[Misantrop]

Quote: vaf

if the boat goes to the database (or BS, as I understand the BS sailors)

A database is if it stands in the database in readiness for exit and impact. And if at sea, then this is BS

[Debryansk]

This mace is a unique development, can explain what is unique about it.

[Zerstorer]

Fanaticism is even harmful. And the mace must be brought up. And I think we will bring it. Keep in mind that the military-industrial complex is being built anew. Unfortunately, many enterprises are already gone. Where the greatest losses there are low-quality products (they are forced to purchase components abroad, but they will not supply normal components for military products).

[IRBIS]

Quote: Zerstorer

if the boat goes to the DB (or BS, as I understood from the BS sailors) and an order arrives ...

Yeah. That is why I was outraged by the following passage: "It's worth noting that the launch failed only for a ballistic missile." ... How small, it's just a shitty rocket! And what is a very good boat with shitty rockets? How many, ten years now, have they been trying to teach Bulava not just to start, but also to fly to the target? For the next five years, we will still teach her to hit this very goal. Or did they give us the laurels of a space and rocket power? Or did someone mix up the contacts again?

[VAF]

Quote: IRBIS

Yeah. That is why I was outraged by the following passage:

Hi Sasha! +! I honestly don’t understand yet, okay, they’re checking the normal operation of the SUV system (I ask forgiveness from the submariners, I just don’t know how you call this system) and so ... but the work of the System with a new missile, especially the only one in the sense weapons, it should be a single whole or as

Here it’s easier for us .. Prnk separately and SUV separately because the weapons are different. different pylons can be hung on all pylons (depending on the knowledge base).

And here? So .. there was no telemetry on the rocket .... 3.14zdets .... or I don’t understand something in this life

[Russ69]

Quote: vaf

And here? So .. there was no telemetry on the rocket .... 3.14zdets .... or I don’t understand something in this life

The launch was not a test rocket, but a boat. The rocket itself was already serial, but without telemetry.

[tilovaykrisa]

Serial? are you sure about this If so, tell me the date of its acceptance in the army and for what reasons it became serial without completing the state test program.

[Russ69]

Quote: tilovaykrisa

Serial? are you sure about this If so, tell me the date of its acceptance in the army and for what reasons it became serial without completing the state test program.

The rocket was also started to be mass-produced, although there wasn’t any official adoption, however, as they are doing the Su-35, it has not yet been adopted.
Here about the not established telemetry, one can argue.

[Stiletto]

Why nothing? Do you know what the worst weapon in the world is? Unpredictable. Today flew, the second - did not fly. Today is not for you, but tomorrow - how to know ...

Amers tests are successful if the rocket left the hull of the boat. And our simple-minded people, instead of ringing the whole world about their own alleged failures, could calmly report that the launch was normal, and after the separation of the rocket, she was ordered to self-destruct.

[tilovaykrisa]

You have a very sound commentary, but what’s the idea, how many Topol M missiles, YRS, mace, carried out real combat launches, and for a snack, how many combat units from them were also tested? In fact, we have missiles equipped with warheads created purely from theoretical calculations, the tests must be objected, and now I believe only in Satan, tested more than once.

[Arabist]

I agree with you about the trials, but I would not want to launch combat launches.

[sub307]

Yes, there is something to say, because there is something. And, here, there is really nothing about the "glorious Ukrainian", due to the presence of such in an area close to zero.

[Vvs]

The unmasking signs of those are the minuses over the comment))

[Siberian German]

Well, about our weapons I can say a lot of good and add a lot of bad. And here I can also say about Ukrainian beters who, in Iraq, do not want to unload naaaahrrren. and I can also tell how our grandfather etched Bendery rats from caches in 46

[Russ69]

Quote: Drakk

Nothing to say to the tunnels?

Name a country whose rockets never fall ....

[VAF]

Quote: Russ69

Name a country whose rockets never fall ....

This you pose a practically insoluble problem and the question was formulated .. not correctly well and not fair !!!
It is clear that ... we cover up our "bare ass" and the next promises, but ....

And the country where missiles with nuclear submarines practically do not fall .. will it?

On April 14 and 16, the U.S. Navy successfully tested four Trident II D5 SLBMs manufactured by Lockheed Martin. Missile launches were carried out with the submarine SSBN738 Maryland SSBN in the Atlantic Ocean.

These were the 139th, 140th, 141st and 142nd successively successful rocket launches, the development of which was successfully completed in 1989. These data indicate that once again a world reliability record was set among long-range ballistic missiles and spacecraft launch vehicles.

“Trident missiles continue to demonstrate high operational reliability. These tests are an important part of the strategic containment mission, because the very existence of such an effective combat system impedes the aggressive plans of the adversaries.

The secrecy and mobility of the Trident submarine system gives it unique opportunities as the most enduring component of the strategic triad, which ensures the security of our country from threats from any potential adversary, ”says Melanie Melanie, vice president of Lockheed Martin Space Systems marine ballistic missile programs A. Sloane).

SLBM Trident II D5 since 1990 are in service with American SSBNs such as Ohio and British Vanguard.
Three-stage solid-fuel ballistic missiles are equipped with an inertial guidance system for nuclear warheads and have a nominal firing range of 4000 nautical miles.

[Russ69]

Quote: vaf

This you pose a practically insoluble problem and the question was formulated .. not correctly well and not fair !!!
It is clear that ... we cover up our "bare ass" and the next promises, but ....

Trident II, is considered one of the most reliable missiles, I can not argue with this, but it also has 4 unsuccessful launches and one more that is considered partially successful.

[Denis]

Quote: Russ69

Name a country whose rockets never fall ....

R-7 of the great Korolev also took off immediately
What did not prevent the "friends" from recalling the Z pose after

[Russ69]

Quote: Denis

R-7 of the great Korolev also took off immediately
What did not prevent the "friends" from recalling the Z pose after

Everyone is falling, just as ours fell, so immediately the guard. As a foreign one fell, then technical malfunctions do happen.
"Blue", just as it began to fly, it flies ...

[Denis]

Quote: Russ69

as ours fell, so immediately the guard

Let them lie and introduce themselves, we will know how ... to decorate the pillar

[Dmitry_24rus]

In modern realities, the failures of the military-industrial complex are the desire for the personal enrichment of responsible bureaucrats plus the commonplace fraud of subordinates.
And maybe it’s enough for everyone to chat about the positive aspects of the next unsuccessful launch of the Mace? Coming another increase in state. The costs of this project are about ten to eleven. The Moscow Institute of Thermal Engineering of designers is happy: another 5-50 unsuccessful starts and everyone will already retire. Many officials (zp 50-100t.r). the astronomical amounts that are released for the Mace project will have time to finish up the children in Oxford and become already legitimate millionaires ...)

[tilovaykrisa]

Zimbabwe, Morocco, Congo .... although there is probably no kasama there.

[Dangerous]

I hope that the construction of the 3rd and 4th submarines of this project will not freeze before testing?

[Starover_Z]

A naval version of the Proton? Surely the assembly was certainly not carried out at a civilian plant, and nevertheless ...
And the test "ПУЦК" without control telemetry equipment ...
Again, "at random" hoped ...
Solid questions. The Institute of Heat Engineering will have an unflattering debriefing.
When will we learn to work not only abroad, but also for ourselves ?!

[vlrosch]

At one time, Academician Chelomey was told by "fools" (Khrushchev and Brezhnev) that it was impossible to shove a land missile into a submarine. And the swindlers from the Scientific Research Institute of Thermal Engineering were entrusted, hence it is interesting: how many billions of dollars were cut by these clever men who never created a marine version of YARS. When the Bark rocket was ready 70-80 percent twenty years ago, the leaders suddenly decided to switch to Bulava. This Mace is just a MYTH, maybe someday it will fly, it's a pity that neither I nor you will have to live at this time.

[VAF]

Quote: vlrosch

With the Bark rocket ready 70-80 percent twenty years ago, leaders suddenly decided to move to the Mace

This is who "cut" the person 2 minus But he wrote ABSOLUTELY TRUE !!! +!

[jjj]

Have you seen this "Bark"? And the size of the boat for it

[Russ69]

Quote: vlrosch

. When the Bark missile was ready 70-80 percent twenty years ago, leaders suddenly decided to move to the Mace.

The Bark had three launches and all failed. And who knows how she would fly now.

[Tatarus]

However, the missile did not hit the training target, and a special commission is now investigating the causes of this incident. Due to the lack of telemetry information, the investigation will be quite complicated. The commission can only use information from the Daryal radar station (Komi Republic) that monitored the flight of the rocket, as well as the documentation for the used product and other ammunition of the same serial batch. In this regard, the commission will have to study only the available information, the number and composition of which leave much to be desired. As a result, at the moment it is impossible to speak with confidence about the possible causes of the accident and it remains only to build assumptions.

Absolutely sad paragraph. I hope everything will be corrected.

Quote: Drakk

It is strange that there is not a single enthusiastic comment by fanatics about the perfection, reliability, strength and power of Russian weapons.

If we recall the latest exercises of the US missile forces and completely failed launches, we are really getting better.

Quote: Drakk

- Quote started
"Are you out of bacon and vodka? M * oss * k * al * are to blame. Let's put the larva on their website in the morning." Quote finished

[Garik]

Understand and correct. These are tests, and they are carried out so that this does not happen during operation. Why just raise a panic is not clear ...

[NEMO]

Quote: Garik

Understand and correct. These are tests, and they are carried out so that this does not happen during operation. Why just raise a panic is not clear ...

Hopefully you're right, but the clickable mace launch chronology in this post suggests there are big problems. Let me remind you: Bulava is the first Russian, and no longer Soviet, design, but unfortunately it has been stuck for ten years already.

[VAF]

Quote: Garik

These are tests

Let me remind you or do not read carefully ... The mace is a SERIAL product, and the tests passed the nuclear submarine systems!

And the missile, the main weapon of the nuclear submarine, was caught.

Bottom line, no missiles, no boats in service!

The elder said ... (storyteller Chirkov) in 2013, everyone is armed with a combat crew. Yes, we ... we’ll build a heavenly atomic carrier!

[IRBIS]

Quote: vaf

And the missile, the main weapon of the nuclear submarine, was caught.

Bottom line, no missiles, no boats in service!

It is this result that the people refuse to accept, since it is too deplorable and is very different from previous enthusiasms about the introduction of boats into operation. Hence the debate, and the wishes of good flights in the future. But there’s nothing to fly yet!

[VAF]

Quote: IRBIS

It is this result that people refuse to perceive

It's so clear that he refuses, but when the "storytellers" they say to the whole world, then .. how to think the people weakly?
Indeed, in most cases, the people are all serving and having smelled gunpowder and faced with it. that promises are all, but in fact ..... I already wrote before. that by February-March 1995 we had already switched to 46 bombs for "work", but the same .. dreamed all about the WTO, and for the whole "company" I only threw the 4th KAB, and the rest is all ... " cast iron ", and then also ..." the most ancient cast iron "

[Pilat2009]

Quote: vaf

we have already switched to 46 bombs for "work"

So junk should be used, that should not be thrown away
In general, I guessed that there were few in warehouses ... How many days of high-tech war would be enough?

[Yuriwhite]

Comparing Trident 2 D5 with the Mace is generally not correct - it's like a Ford of the 60s with a modern passenger car. The mace is focused on overcoming the existing and promising US missile defense - this is its MAJOR surprise and global difference from the trident. Trident is a good reliable rocket from the 70s of the 20th century. Further, the trident in the tests had 4 accidents, several more partially successful. A total of about 30 test launches. Ours are half as much. So there is less pessimism.

[buzuke]

telemetry equipment was not installed on the rocket

it’s strange somehow, the planned launch, no trouble — why not prepare for it properly and collect all the possible info, including on the rocket (especially since there were already jambs with it), and not just on the operation of the onboard systems of the boat ? Here is such stupid negligence most of all and infuriates!

[El13]

You strongly do not trust the information from the article, maybe everything was not so there, what it just costs:

According to some sources, the automation turned off the marching engines (presumably, the second-stage engines were already operating at that time), which ultimately led to the fall of the rocket.

Can you imagine an automatics that will "turn off" the solid rocket motor? There, apparently, a fire extinguisher is built in, you can also be indignant for a long time why they put it there

[pahom54]

I quote from the article: "... not enough responsible attitude to the work of some employees of the enterprise building these missiles ..."
Lavrenty Palych had his own methods of stimulating scientists, designers and engineers at one time ... And rockets began to fly, and an atomic bomb from a hydrogen bomb appeared ... Maybe it is worth using his experience ??? And "Protons" with expensive satellites will stop falling ...

[Strashila]

"According to some sources, the automation turned off the main engines (presumably, at that time the second stage engines were already working), which ultimately led to the fall of the rocket." ... in simple terms ... the first stage worked normally ... the second went through the prelaunch check and started ... BUT ... there was no separation and dilution of the first stage from the second ... KOSYACHOK.
"According to Interfax, the cause of the accident could have been malfunctions in the engine thrust vector control system." ... that is, the stage layout did not work ... the first gave in to the second, so Bulova left the flight path ... but what it's real.
And forgive the stupidest question ... on the topic "automation has turned off the propulsion engines" ... how can you turn off the solid fuel checker ... it can burn and only until it burns out ... the burning gunpowder in the cartridge tried to stop it burning .. the same thing there.
Or we will be told about the solid-fuel essence of Bulova ... but it as such is not ... a hybrid'c ???

[Volkhov]

Quote: Strashila

And forgive the stupidest question ... on the topic "automation has turned off the propulsion engines" ... how can you turn off the solid fuel checker ... it can burn and only until it burns out ... the burning gunpowder in the cartridge tried to stop it burning .. the same thing there.

This is not stupidity, but an element of reason - exposure to a "metal beam" when electrons are given off by oxygen, combustion and respiration stops (for example, jet engines stall and animals and fish die) - a physics lesson.
The question is, do the boats themselves exist after the launch on the "test site" or have they transferred to the Virtual Fleet?

[El13]

Quote: Strashila

And forgive the stupid question ...

I also wrote about this and only after your post I saw ... Plus as compensation

[Nikolay_1995]

Fewer such situations, well, and good luck to the engineers.) But Russian weapons really spoke more than once for themselves.))

[I think so]

That's SPEAKING ... It was said by those who knew how to work and CREATE, and not to steal and saw ...

[makst83]

Again, the same optimization, both for tanks and aviation (civilian). SLBMs (submarine ballistic missiles) were created by the Makeyev Design Bureau, which has a wealth of experience in creating sea missiles, but decided to transfer the creation of the rocket to the MIT Design Bureau (Moscow Institute of Thermal Engineering). The development of missiles with an underwater launch was not a core task of MIT, but in the 1990s !!! Over the years, the leadership of the Ministry of Defense decided to transfer the task of creating a new generation carrier rocket with an underwater launch from the Design Bureau im. Makeeva. They took and "spoiled" the land POPLAR (with minor alterations).
If this is not corruption and not betrayal, then what is IT !?

[Nick888]

Found at Mokrushin:

[1c-inform-city]

The phrase stating that this rocket is from the first (the ephemeral batch) softens the news somewhat. Maybe the next ones will still be better. (I wonder how many were released in the first batch).

[Backfire]

Quote: Drakk

It is strange that there is not a single enthusiastic comment by fanatics about the perfection, reliability, strength and power of Russian weapons. Nothing to say to the tunnels?

The weapon you mean was Soviet. It's just that in the world, out of habit, the USSR was often called Russia. Therefore, they said - Russian weapons, about athletes - Russian athletes, etc. Films, Amer. look at the ones made before 1990 - they often say "Russians". Present-day Russia has the same relation to the USSR as a corpse worm on the body of, say, a deceased aviation engineer, to the creations of the same engineer during his lifetime - it simply uses.

[11 black]

Quote: Backfire

Quote: Drakk
It is strange that there is not a single enthusiastic comment by fanatics about the perfection, reliability, strength and power of Russian weapons. Nothing to say to the tunnels?

The weapon you mean was Soviet. It's just that in the world, out of habit, the USSR was often called Russia. Therefore, they said - Russian weapons, about athletes - Russian athletes, etc. Films, Amer. look at the ones made before 1990 - they often say "Russians". Present-day Russia has the same relation to the USSR as a corpse worm on the body of, say, a deceased aviation engineer, to the creations of the same engineer during his lifetime - it simply uses.

In fact, all the research institutes and design bureaus that existed in the USSR and whose developments yours still cannot repeat now exist in Russia as the successor to the USSR, and unsuccessful launches are an unpleasant but inevitable part of the tests, by the way, as far as I remember, your last trials in general The minuteman couldn’t be launched ... so look first at yourself, and RUSSIAN weapons are respected all over the world and deservedly respected.
PS about the worm - I would say who is the cadaveric worm on the face of the planet ...

[viktor_ui]

11black - put you a minus because of YOUR statement "Actually, all the research institutes and design bureaus that existed in the USSR ... now exist in Russia as the successor to the USSR" - well, don't you say it in all seriousness ??? Well, then there was no mess of the 90s and 2000s, there was no "Soros Foundation" which, like a vacuum cleaner, sucked off all young and not very young talents from my country called the USSR, there were no idiotic decrees on obligating military research institutes, design bureaus and military factories to produce consumer goods ranging from pots, meat grinders, terrible food processors and what the hell knows what, but not high-tech products ... ??? There were no drunken scientists who kicked processor-controlled moonshine stills. There was at one time a public appearance on TV of a scientist (I don't remember the last name) where he said that you would ruin science and high-tech production when choosing the direction of development of Russia as an Energy superpower ... or, more simply, put the economy on an oil and gas needle ... And SUCH EXAMPLES I CAN DROP UEVA CLOUD !!!
In my mind, in the missile and technical direction, a rather lengthy mess in all directions can already be safely called the PRODUCTION BARELEL, where the main pimp Popovkin and K + with all the stupid babskoy dance ... They don’t have telemetry of launch ... Well, I’m tired of trying .. The hunchback will be fixed by the grave and we will probably wait until they hoofs are thrown back in their warm leadership positions ... but we can again put the sensor at a crooked angle and there these sensors in early lots, etc.
At Backfire, if we reject the caustic remark about the worm, it’s quite a reasonable statement ...

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: viktor_ui

At Backfire, if we reject the caustic remark about the worm, it’s quite a reasonable statement ...

And for me, he said the right thing about the worm. What did little work on the work of Soviet engineers?

[Ivan_Ivanov]

That plus article, or minus ???

The news presented in the article cannot be liked.

The article is written competently, intelligently. Good article.

[dimon-media]

Straight trouble with this Mace.

[kostya_a]

The main thing is that the problem was identified and measures were taken to eliminate it.

[smiths xnumx]

"The first Borei will go north, the second east":
http://www.ros-oborona.ru/publications/ria-novosti-shlemov-pervyy-borey-poydet-n

a-sever-vtoroy-na-vostok /

"Chirkov recalled that at the end of 2012 the nuclear submarine with ballistic missiles of project 955 K-535" Yuri Dolgoruky "was accepted into the combat composition of the Northern Fleet. By the end of the year, the group of naval strategic nuclear forces will be replenished with two more fourth-generation submarines K-550" Alexander Nevsky "and K-551" Vladimir Monomakh. These submarines are intended for the planned replacement of Project 667BDR submarines of the Pacific Fleet that have served their deadlines. "

http://eagle-rost.livejournal.com/84090.html

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev on Tuesday summed up the multi-year test program for the Bulava, a sea-based strategic missile system: the test cycle has been completed, and the complex will be put into service. Together with him, they will also adopt the standard Bulava carrier - the strategic underwater missile carrier Yuri Dolgoruky. 27.12.2011/XNUMX/XNUMX.

The commander-in-chief of the Russian Navy, Vice-Admiral Viktor Chirkov, announced the actual adoption of the R-30 Bulava sea-launched intercontinental ballistic missile on 25.06.2012.

MOSCOW, January 10 - RIA Novosti. One of the largest naval projects of the Russian Federation, the implementation of which took the country nearly 20 years, ended on Thursday with the adoption of the Yuri Dolgoruky nuclear submarine (nuclear submarine), the lead one in the Borey project, and the first domestic solid-propellant sea-launched missile. " Mace". Although the adoption of this complex for service and lasted, according to experts, "prohibitively long", "Yuri Dolgoruky" together with other boats of this project for the next 30-40 years should become the basis of the Russian naval strategic nuclear forces and ensure parity with the United States and other members nuclear club.
© RIA Novosti. Alexander Petrov
Andreevsky flag hoisted over the submarine Yuri Dolgoruky

Tests of the Bulava sea-launched intercontinental ballistic missile began in 2004 and were met with varying success, making the fate of this missile one of the most discussed topics in the Russian military expert community. 18 out of 11 launches were recognized as successful; 2011 was the most successful year: all four launches were successful and were carried out from the Yuri Dolgoruky, the standard rocket carrier. By the end of 2011, it was decided that the rocket was suitable for adoption, however, the cherished event had to wait for more than 12 months.

http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20130110/917607431.html#ixzz2dr7XWo5K

[user]

Although the news is not pleasant, there was an occasion to transfer the rocket and space industry under state control, with a natural revision and shaking up of all previously concluded agreements with the United States and returning the transferred to it incomprehensibly and for what purpose and resuming the production of electronic components, at least for rocket production.

[1712]

Most importantly, no one sprinkles ashes on my head. There are problems that need to be addressed. I agree with the words of the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy V. Chirkov, for all the complexity of the situation - "there are some pluses". If Friday's accident was caused by flaws in the R-30 Bulava project or insufficiently responsible attitude to the work of some employees of the enterprise building these missiles, then in the near future such shortcomings will be identified ...
Thanks to this, the Russian Navy - albeit with a noticeable delay - will receive modern nuclear submarines and ballistic missiles, spared the drawbacks of a structural or technological nature.

[kapitan281271]

The trouble is not with "Bulova", but with the kami who saw the loot. Where the Makeyevskoe design bureau Salomonov decided that he was a golden star cap and undertook just for the sake of dough to make a rocket with an underwater launch without inviting a single specialist with the necessary experience. it was immediately clear to Bulova, but by order of His Highness they were accepted into service, but they felt the bitch and that this would end and let's collect the old people of Makeyevka "help us de ** ly do at least something." The old people have lifted and in my opinion the Elevator has given birth. And if, seriously, everything is so dirty and disgusting with this Mace, but there is no way out, it is necessary to bring to mind only for the real and not because I decided and that's it.

[Hort]

to bring it to mind, you need to ask the "closers" for the exact time required for this and to assure them by oath that if after the expiry of their declared time, the rocket will not fly normally, they will go to explore the solar tundra for 15-20 years that way. And with them, along with those who introduced the idea of ​​developing a rocket at an enterprise that had never done this before.

[fastblast]

well even though the trials happened
the main thing is a weak spot has been identified, which is good, there is something to fix and improve!

[Samy]

Quite right. There is no responsibility, not only criminal, but even material. Well, it didn't fly, so give me more money for fine-tuning, then suddenly it will fly ... Unfortunately, the very interest in work as a solution to complex and interesting problems has been lost, and without this work is routine. Therefore, "it will be as always."

[wax]

Better in learning than in battle. Better sooner than later. As a result, the mace is to be!

[sub307]

Perhaps they were in a hurry with the acceptance of the rocket, all the same 10/9. But, I think, a "non-fatal" case, they will bring the missile "to mind". It's good that the boat systems worked as they should.

[True]

We need to build the world's largest hat factory. I represent the picture: war, mattress covers, and all of you with caps on the attack, and from the plane flying towards the Cote d'Azur, you tipun and the whole government wave their hands.

[GOGY]

What a bastard turned everything upside down, the Makeevskoe design bureau is building a land rocket "Breakthrough" (to replace "Satan"), MIT is engaged in sea missiles, a cake-maker shakes boots, a shoemaker bakes pies, what kind of theater of absurdity we have and who is this enemy - the puppeteer

[Russ69]

In my opinion, the problem is again in the assembly or not the quality of the materials. The elimination of military state acceptance makes itself felt. Recent launches were successful and salvo of a couple of missiles including.
Everyone has problems. In the USA, she simply refused to take off, recently the French one also fell. Moreover, these are the missiles that are in service, now they are also racking their brains, and how many of the remaining are still able to fly.

[sds555]

And when will the rocket stop falling? Has something happened to her constantly for several years, or is it so bad with VPK?

[Rriv]

"The start-up took place normally, but already in the second minute the flight began to malfunction. "
Rocketeers, tell me - at what distance during this time the rocket could fly away from the launch point?

[Black]

Quote: RRiv

Rocketeers, tell me - at what distance during this time the rocket could fly away from the launch point?

Gathered for color?

[Rriv]

Well no. Curiosity.

[goats denis]

Here you have the MODERNIZATION, here you are and equipping the army with MODERN WEAPONS, the gut is thin

[Arabist]

And what, all Soviet missiles never fell? Are you an ardent supporter of the theory "fucked up all polymers"? There are much more successful launches.

[goats denis]

But the introduction of submarines into the fleet is postponed indefinitely. And this seems to me due to the fact that really "pr ... are all polymers".

[Arabist]

If all the polymers had really drained, these cruisers simply would not have been built.

[goats denis]

I think that these submarines are still made according to Soviet technology, but maybe two or three screws were screwed instead of ten, and this is made in Russia. As for the weapons, you yourself see that acoustics is also from the Soviet era like everything else ...

[Arabist]

Can you prove it? Acoustics is not a weapon.

[goats denis]

No, I just think so

[saturn.mmm]

Unsuccessful 2013, all that something was flying wrong and not there. Everything will be fine in 2014 .

[I think so]

And from where did you come to the conclusion that "MITovskie Topol-M and Yars made at the same plant fly quite successfully for themselves"?
When were the test launches of these missiles made?
So, after the first state tests, THEY WERE NOT CONDUCTED AT ALL. And that is why MOST OF ALL, both "Poplar" and "Yarsy" fly the same way as this ... ugh, forgive God "Bulava" ...
And to you patriots on TV brains about "... the reliability of the nuclear shield of Russia ..." If it had not been for the "Voevoda" so long ago, the ps would have burned Russia in a nuclear fire .. But soon "Voevoda" is going to be replaced ...

[arnulla]

Bullshit, they’ll finish it, they won’t go anywhere. And it will fly. There are no other options!

[studentmati]

In accordance with the order of the Minister, in the near future five test launches of the R-30 Bulava missiles will be made.

The most competent approach!

And then the organizational conclusions will follow! Enough stupidly to "cut" our taxes!

[studentmati]

Quote from rudolf

The story of the Mace reminds me of something.

Perhaps, perhaps ...

The comparison is balanced, but only at first glance. My, of course, personal, first glance.

But nevertheless: Poghosyan is constantly on the air, and when did you last see Solomonov in public?

[Pilat2009]

Quote from rudolf

So is Solomon.

Che you are attached to Solomon? VPK did not have to destroy, everything would fly. The Votkinsky plant can make in my opinion 5-10 missiles a year of all types ....

[studentmati]

Quote: Pilat2009

VPK did not have to destroy, everything would fly.

Speak the right words!

[studentmati]

Quote from rudolf

. Not so long ago I published my book.

Very interesting book! I am delighted!

[I think so]

And what is left for the loser ... to write books, but to whiten their sins in them ... we know they read the memoirs of beaten German generals ... so this ... ugh academician ... And who said that "Poplar" is a masterpiece? Poplar is a strategic and ideological failure. I will not go into details, but such "mobile" complexes, without creating ANY problems for the enemy, create a LOT of problems in their manufacture and especially operation ... Foolishness in one word raised to the rank of doctrine will lead to disaster for the entire country and the Slavic world as a whole ... and this ... academician ... is writing books ...

[studentmati]

Quote from rudolf

Have you read? Certainly a bright personality.

I read and reread. For me, paper media are the most faithful and loyal sources so far. I speak without reproach to digital technologies, I respect too.

[studentmati]

[quote = rudolff] But I never learned to read books on my computer, I need the paper to rustle. And the daughter, on the contrary, only reads from the screen. Child of progress!

In life, to each his own ...

[jjj]

Nobody directs rockets anywhere on our boats. The crew's task is to launch at the right time in the right place. If the rocket went out and the first-stage engine turned on, the crew of the boat completed its task.
There are no predefined goals in the rocket itself. The launched missile is received by the satellite system and enters targets.
To counter the launch of missiles, the foe has his own systems. The first is the remote malfunctioning of the "remote computer" directly on the boat when the missile cannot leave the mine. There were such cases. On BDRs and BDRMs. Even in front of the president. Have you forgotten that "Sineva" did not always fly with us. The second anti-launch system is triggered at the time of data transmission for target designation. If the rocket does not receive such data, then it falls.
I must say that the 955 project and the rocket learned to overcome the anti-launch system - read the existing and promising US missile defense systems. With the current launch, and this is especially emphasized, the first series rocket was launched. And she could not overcome the second line of opposition to the start. Now we have to wait for new launches. And we will be convinced that missiles of later series overcome this line. Do not boil. Everything goes on as usual. Our business is just. Victory will be ours

[Pilat2009]

Quote: jjj

The launched missile is received by the satellite system and enters targets.

If so, then it’s even more dangerous to cover our entire US satellite constellation

[vvvvv]

Quote: vaf

if you take away your "enthusiastic-pathetic" tone in the style ...

Well, this is how to look ...
On the one hand, this is understandable, and you will not leave anywhere with complete delight.
However, on the other hand, as a rule, people with such a "brave approach" can carry a very necessary "victorious energy". After all, an example of enthusiasts, Stakhanovists, etc. although it was no less "virtual", it could move the whole country! Yes, we'll tear everyone! We are the best in everything! Yes, there are a lot of problems and failures, but despite all this, we will repeat everything said with such optimism and everyone on such a wave, let a little somewhere somewhere, will do good in real life.
In my life I myself find psychologically the opportunity to mobilize myself, to tune in to work. Without this, even in pessimism, not even in a defeatist mood, but in a "limping" one, you cannot move mountains. Only when the Soviet "hurray-patriotism" returns in Russia, then it could rally and direct society to achievements, of course, giving the ground for this. I do not think that "hurray-patriotism" is bad or funny. Let someone be more realistic and less emotional, and they do not need cheering. But let the "hurray-patriots" cheer up the silent people so that they can see that someone admires their real deeds so loudly. It's like our team wins the championship and the big players are the same "hurray-patriots" of their team. It's just that everyone participates in their own way. And these should be carefully criticized.
Let the search of patriotism be better than the shortage. And given the many completely disloyal to their own country, we will get compensated centrism.
And I will add more. The notorious "hurray-patriot" after all in real life could become A. Matrosov, who rushed to the enemy pillbox, while others were thinking about rationality and expediency ... Right ?!

[I think so]

With this "Bulava" the Russians are so fucked up that there is almost no faith that they can do something worthwhile by THEMSELVES ... My opinion is TO THROW this "Bulava" in a landfill and forget about it as a nightmare and RESTORE making a WORKED and proven and reliable design of the Sineva rocket. Moreover, in ALL parameters (range, throw weight, reliability, minimum firing distance) "Sineva" SIGNIFICANTLY surpass this "Bulava". The persistence with which some in Russia are pushing through the LEGALLY bad weapons is simply surprising ...

[Regernets]

Quote: Wax

Better in learning than in battle. Better sooner than later. As a result, the mace is to be!

I completely agree =)