China began to build its Mistral

Recently published photographs on the Internet indicate that China probably began construction of the 081 Type Universal Airborne Helicopter Carrier, the military expert Yin Chuo said in an interview with Beijing television.

And earlier there were reports that China is building the first ship with a displacement of about 20 thousand tons and capable of carrying 12 transport and combat helicopters, the design is similar to the French amphibious assault carrier Mistral. The expert noted that China can build on six UDC Type 071 and Type 081 (total 12 units).

The expert also suggested that a large landing ship dock could be created, capable of taking aboard ships of the Bison type, acquired in Ukraine. But such a BDK should be with a displacement in the region of 40-60 thousand tons, the expert said.

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[a52333]

Thailand and Japan nervously grab another cigarette from the pack, and with shaking hands .....

[Tersky]

Quote: a52333

Thailand and Japan nervously grab another cigarette from the pack, and with shaking hands ...

They are calm .. , here the French are in a panic, competition is on the face. Suddenly they’ll return the stool, (save and save), and he will order a couple of next in China !

[PSih2097]

Quote: Tersky

here the French are in a panic, competition is on the face.

Well then, South Korea with its Doc-Do ...

[Geisenberg]

Quote: Tersky

Quote: a52333

Thailand and Japan nervously grab another cigarette from the pack, and with shaking hands ...

They are calm .. , here the French are in a panic, competition is on the face. Suddenly they’ll return the stool, (save and save), and he will order a couple of next in China !

Perhaps the French do not have to worry Apparently the Chinese Mistral is a regular bulk tanker modified into a dock ship. Mistrata is more technologically advanced.

[don.kryyuger]

The Mistral vessel is a self-propelled barge. The deal was concluded by the Medvedev-Serdyukov gang so that the Marseilles shipyards of their St. Petersburg friend, who has a controlling stake in these shipyards, would not bend. to make a self-propelled barge? In China, they shoot for bribes, so they make barges at home.

[alone]

China began to build its Mistral

was it really impossible to make these ships at home, was it necessary to do this in France?

[gagarinneon]

vo-in, the more we recently concluded an agreement with him (China).

[Geisenberg]

Quote: a52333

Thailand and Japan nervously grab another cigarette from the pack, and with shaking hands .....

Well ... nothing threatens Japan. In a couple of years from the islands there will be a radioactive dump, which even the Chinese will not need.

[Edward72]

Still not to smoke, to make such a 3D printer.

[starshina78]

Yes, and we should think about it. China is already actively arming itself. Not against Taiwan. So there is someone more. Who ?

[elmi]

At this pace, China will soon push America out of the fleet.

[Vlad_Mir]

Well done Chinese! You will not say anything!

[rugor]

Can our Mistral push them ??? just not cheap !!! Loot beat off and fill it at our shipyards.

[potterz]

Mistral will be useful to us!

[Blad_21617]

money from the sale plundered idinrosses.

[APASUS]

So China began to build its helicopter carriers, so say that we do not need Mistrals!

[Boa kaa]

Quote: APASUS

So China began to build its helicopter carriers, so say that we do not need Mistrals!

China is a country that looks to the future, which is why it was puzzled by ship docks (DKVP). There are at least two reasons: a) a good headquarters ship is needed for operational naval connections (fleet controllers); b) it is a powerful landing-landing weapon capable of conducting over-the-horizon landing of the first landing wave in the rear of the enemy’s PDO. So there is something to think about in terms of the marine aspirations of the Middle Kingdom. In any case, this is a potential threat to the countries of the region and not only!

[WIN969]

There is nothing in the world that the Chinese have not reached, everyone has copied and will copy.

[serge-68-68]

And the project of the Chinese "Mistrals" was based on the blueprints stuck in Russia ...

[Letnab]

Yes, China is increasingly respected.

[Pimply]

Rather fears

[Wedmak]

The expert also suggested that a large landing ship-dock could be created, capable of taking on board the Zubr-type hovercraft purchased in Ukraine.

Damn yourself ... what kind of dock camera should there be?

[Flooding]

Quote: Wedmak

Damn yourself ... what kind of dock camera should there be?

The words of the expert cause distrust.
The Zubr's width is more than 25 m versus 14,3 m for the LCAC-type landing craft, not to mention the smaller CTMs.
Project 12061 "Murena" was considered too large for the Russian Mistrals. And this is with a width of 14,6 m.

[Windbreak]

Moreover, the Chinese have analogues of the LCAC type landing boat

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Flood

The words of the expert cause distrust.

And for this reason. The main weapons of the DKVP are landing helicopters and turntables of fire support. And a landing-landing vehicle (1-2 units) is taken to the docking chamber for delivering equipment to the shore, which in its weight and size characteristics cannot be delivered ashore using the helicopter's external sling. This is 1's.
Secondly, if this is an Anadyr-class ship, then it has 2 helicopters and a large dock for lighters. If the scheme is "Mistral", then there will be a large hangar for helicopters and a small dock-camera for 2-1 platforms on an air cushion, or a cavern.
You can think of another, but then it will be a different ship.

[denson06]

Everything they have now is on the rise .. and in huge numbers ..

[Siberian]

The Chinese are not asleep. They move at an accelerated pace. Looking at the front photo, there is a similarity with the Mistrals. (Did you turn on the copier again?)

[tilovaykrisa]

These will be discussed, the question of the quality of the lead ship remains open, but they can bring it to mind in the future (if all the drawings were stolen and not the hull)

[mitya24]

Fuck a goat boyan. It is this proverb that pops into my head while reading this information. The Chinese will teach the whole world to speak Chinese without any "mistrals". Moreover, even in the near term.

[Chicot 1]

Quote: mitya24

The Chinese without any "mistrals" will teach the whole world to speak Chinese

And that's why it is necessary to knock down arrogance from the "great" China right now. That he was not a "mighty dragon", but become a "fat broiler" ...
Let the Chinese play soldiers, launch ships and planes, and sometimes even rockets, but ... If necessary, you need to click them on the moon-shaped Han Han physiognomy, so that they know where their real place is. And the place is in the sandbox ...
But above all, we should not forget that with such a "partner" and "ally" we must always be on the alert. And build your policy precisely on the basis of this circumstance, but not in any way continue to appease the Peking rude ...

[787nkx]

I heard from acquaintances of a Chinese company of an electronics manufacturer that very raw products enter the market, which are then brought to the proper look. What needs to be tested and finalized in the laboratories is that they will be finalized by the buyer during operation. If ships use the same approach , then do not swim for the buoys.

[Sirs]

The Chinese, in some way, go too far, could buy these ships from the same 5th republic, and not spend billions of money on this project and concentrate developers on more significant projects. And although they stole something and finalized.

[Pimply]

The French would not have sold them what they were selling to Russia: sanctions were imposed on China. In addition, the Chinese are building an independent defense industry. And get ready for a big war.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Sirs

The Chinese ... could buy these ships from the same 5 republic, and not spend billions of money on this project.

Probably they could: they have money. But they, unlike our leaders, prefer to feed their working class rather than the French. And secondly, they have an industry capable of restoring and building ships of the Far East 2-40 thousand tons, which we can only do at Sevmash, and even then with difficulty.

[sven27]

As if they had not built it before our VLADIVOSTOK)

[sven27]

[quote = Sirs] The Chinese in some way go too far could buy these ships from the same 5th republic, and not spend billions of money on this project and concentrate developers on more significant projects. And although they stole something and finalized.
The ship’s own construction provides an order for OWN enterprises, gives jobs to OWN citizens and money remains in OWN country.

[sergant89]

Quote: sven27

The ship’s own construction provides an order for OWN enterprises, gives jobs to OWN citizens and money remains in OWN country.

Absolutely agree with you

[King]

with China one must keep an eye out. Today he is a friend and tomorrow .....

[nikcris]

The construction of landing ships in peacetime, if you are not going to start a war, is a crazy undertaking.
Either they are not needed at all, or they need a legion (as when landing in Normandy).
A buoyant can with positive buoyancy is an excellent target for airguns
Hi Serdyukov! And don't tell me that a company of marines is able to change Vanga’s prophecies

[Algor73]

China is preparing (preparing) to fight. But with whom? What territory should be captured with such a huge army? It’s not for defense that he is arming himself so hard (from whom to defend?). King is 100% right, and not only the ear needs to be kept, but the military-industrial complex must first be rebuilt to Chinese characteristics. US and Europe Russia is not needed (in military perspective)

[Andrey Peter]

Yes, the Chinese fellows. They can afford a lot, because at first they filled up the whole world with their consumer goods and they have enough dough. If we went along their path, and did not ruin our production by the method of grabbing, they would not keep up with us, but they would catch up and overtake us. After all, we have almost all arrived from the pipe and even cuts. Maybe our leaders will think about the domestic economy.

[nikcris]

Quote: Andrey Peter

Yes, the Chinese fellows. They can afford a lot, because at first they filled up the whole world with their consumer goods and they have enough dough. If we went along their path, and did not ruin our production by the method of grabbing, they would not keep up with us, but they would catch up and overtake us. After all, we have almost all arrived from the pipe and even cuts. Maybe our leaders will think about the domestic economy.

are you ready for a bowl of pearl barley (rice) to work without smoke breaks 14 hours a day without holidays, pensions and sick leave?
If YES, then

[31231]

You exaggerate a little. Earnings they certainly less. But they have lower prices. And yes, in some places you can compare with the Tajiks.

[31231]

I was in China. I will say one thing, well done they.

[nikcris]

Quote: King

with China one must keep an eye out. Today he is a friend and tomorrow .....

No difference. He (China) was both friend and foe more than once. The results were the same. Borders along rivers (with disputed islands) and the existence of Mongolia.
He, China, sitting on a mountain (not mountain, but mountain) watched the dragons fight (USSR-USA). (Mao remember?). In this case, a brain dislocation occurred - one and a half billion without coercion became slaves of another billion. Us including.
And about the conquest of the Far East, they will settle peacefully when we are not there. Not earlier.

[nikcris]

Quote: 31231

You exaggerate a little. Earnings they certainly less. But they have lower prices. And yes, in some places you can compare with the Tajiks.

I will not exaggerate. And they cannot be compared with Tajiks. Jamshuts do not work at home - they drink tea, they fertilize in breaks. And the prices of jamshuts are low. And dummies for 200 rubles are not collected at night Seen dofiga grandmothers (enough for tortillas)

[Drosselmeyer]

A friend goes to the seas as a mechanic at a merchant. He says that only Chinese ships are worse than Chinese ships after exploitation by the Arabs. Moreover, in new vessels, the whole flight will not get out of the car. But the Koreans and the Japanese - there is just a scheduled service and not a rush. Well, maybe on military courts it’s better, which I doubt very much.

[starhina01]

they’ll build it then and see how long it’s too early to speak but the fact that they smacked on such a project is well done

[waisson]

we are a shame and the Chinese as beetles saw copied created their

[nikcris]

Quote: Chicot 1

Quote: mitya24

The Chinese without any "mistrals" will teach the whole world to speak Chinese

And that's why it is necessary to knock down arrogance from the "great" China right now. That he was not a "mighty dragon", but become a "fat broiler" ...
Let the Chinese play soldiers, launch ships and planes, and sometimes even rockets, but ... If necessary, you need to click them on the moon-shaped Han Han physiognomy, so that they know where their real place is. And the place is in the sandbox ...
But above all, we should not forget that with such a "partner" and "ally" we must always be on the alert. And build your policy precisely on the basis of this circumstance, but not in any way continue to appease the Peking rude ...

There are hundreds of advantages, but reality ...
Damansky became Chinese under Brezhnev (?).
This senseless chopping with temporary islands (hayfields and tp valuables) had to be stopped with vodka-gorilka-beer. Then, today, Russian and Chinese would be brothers forever. What for we needed such that I, seven-year-olds, would discuss - whether there will be a war with China this year. And reassuring acquaintances of the girls, there will be no.
PS I also had a tank helmet - gave a neighbor demobilization.

[Ivan Ural]

The Chinese are a specific folk. They can create a miracle of the world, and so ... they can do everything all at once.

[Alikovo]

from China one can expect aggression in the future.

[Kavtorang]

To the topic of the article, I will give a piece of text that speak the staff language, they will understand what kind of document:

"Subsequently, in D6-D7, the enemy is able to conduct a WMD in the region of Southern Primorye.
The probable design of the WMDO may include concentration, landing of troops and loading of equipment on ships, formation of landing troops in the Zhoushan archipelago from D-3 to D-1. Sea crossing is possible through the Korea Strait by a route that is as close as possible to the DPRK coast (outside territorial waters) in a marching order, providing independently the following DesO 1 and 2 echelons,
The enemy will most likely strive to ensure the combat stability of DesO at the passage by sea and in the landing area, by inflicting defeat on the strike forces of the fleet (in D3) and the defense of DesO by direct guard forces in cooperation with the operational cover forces.
The landing of the main landing force group should be expected in D 6 on the Krasny Utes cape — Boysman’s bay in a combined way — the airborne assault echelon — on floating equipment, 1, 2 echelons by the shore-to-shore method. At the same time, sea amphibious landing will be carried out on sites in the region Cape Klerk, Cape Nerpa-River Poyma-Baklan Bay, helicopter - to the Bamburovo area.
It is possible that the demonstration landing in Perevoznaya Bay.
The landing of the second echelon is possible in a day at the same landing sites.
The beginning of the fire destruction of PDO objects by successive air strikes and, it is possible, by artillery, can be expected on the second or third day of the VNO. The enemy is able to attract up to two or three OKOP, 6-8 warships from the direct guard forces to provide fire support to the landing forces on the coast from the sea.
In order to mislead the command of the Pacific Fleet regarding the DesO transition route, the enemy is able to form a false DesO, making his transition through the central part of the Sea of ​​Japan.
To implement the plan, the enemy is able to create and in operational formation have:
a group of submarine forces for operations on maritime communications 9 dpl;
a group of strike forces (forces for operational landing cover) - up to 10 warships (em-8, pla-2), up to 20 bomber aircraft (Khun-6);
a group of landing forces of up to 77 warships (em-10, pl-2, sc-10, DK-55), two brigades of marine corps, personnel - up to 10 thousand people, 184 units of armored vehicles, field artillery guns and mortars - 324, ATGM - 120.
Grouping to maintain a favorable regime in the Sea of ​​Japan - up to 13 warships (em-4, pl-7, rzk-2).
Against the forces and objects of the fleet, the enemy will be able to engage up to 10 DRGs (up to 100 people).
It is possible that active minefields can be set up at sea lanes and at Pacific Fleet basing centers; in all, up to 5 minutes can be set for D-110.
With the beginning and during the course of hostilities, an adversary’s naval group is capable of deploying up to 120 anti-ship missiles in the strength and facilities of the fleet; disrupt maritime traffic east of Primorye on a stretch of up to 300 miles by using more than 160 torpedoes on ships. On the first day of the enemy’s air force, they can make up to 100 BSA sorties and hit missiles and aircraft with up to 10 coastal (ground) Pacific Fleet targets.
At the initial ethane, military operations will be conducted using conventional means of destruction while maintaining the nuclear weapons of the armed forces of China in constant readiness for combat use.

[Kavtorang]

It was a few years ago. The content of a new, analogous papyrus is, of course, unknown to me. But something suggests that it reflects the increase in the combat capabilities of the "neighbor" and, alas, not in our favor. And now let's think together - what about the PLA Navy, a ship of the UDC concept?