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China began to build its Mistral

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Recently published photographs on the Internet indicate that China probably began construction of the 081 Type Universal Airborne Helicopter Carrier, the military expert Yin Chuo said in an interview with Beijing television.


And earlier there were reports that China is building the first ship with a displacement of about 20 thousand tons and capable of carrying 12 transport and combat helicopters, the design is similar to the French amphibious assault carrier Mistral. The expert noted that China can build on six UDC Type 071 and Type 081 (total 12 units).

The expert also suggested that a large landing ship dock could be created, capable of taking aboard ships of the Bison type, acquired in Ukraine. But such a BDK should be with a displacement in the region of 40-60 thousand tons, the expert said.
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  1. a52333
    a52333 9 September 2013 13: 18
    +8
    Thailand and Japan nervously grab another cigarette from the pack, and with shaking hands ..... wink
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 9 September 2013 14: 09
      +7
      Quote: a52333
      Thailand and Japan nervously grab another cigarette from the pack, and with shaking hands ...

      They are calm .. laughing , here the French are in a panic, competition is on the face. Suddenly they’ll return the stool, (save and save), and he will order a couple of next in China wassat !
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 9 September 2013 14: 21
        +5
        Quote: Tersky
        here the French are in a panic, competition is on the face.

        Well then, South Korea with its Doc-Do ...
      2. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 9 September 2013 16: 44
        +6
        Quote: Tersky
        Quote: a52333
        Thailand and Japan nervously grab another cigarette from the pack, and with shaking hands ...

        They are calm .. laughing , here the French are in a panic, competition is on the face. Suddenly they’ll return the stool, (save and save), and he will order a couple of next in China wassat !


        Perhaps the French do not have to worry laughing Apparently the Chinese Mistral is a regular bulk tanker modified into a dock ship. Mistrata is more technologically advanced.
        1. don.kryyuger
          don.kryyuger 9 September 2013 21: 12
          +1
          The Mistral vessel is a self-propelled barge. The deal was concluded by the Medvedev-Serdyukov gang so that the Marseilles shipyards of their St. Petersburg friend, who has a controlling stake in these shipyards, would not bend. to make a self-propelled barge? In China, they shoot for bribes, so they make barges at home.
      3. alone
        alone 9 September 2013 21: 54
        0
        China began to build its Mistral


        was it really impossible to make these ships at home, was it necessary to do this in France?
      4. gagarinneon
        gagarinneon 10 September 2013 11: 19
        0
        vo-in, the more we recently concluded an agreement with him (China).
    2. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 9 September 2013 16: 42
      +2
      Quote: a52333
      Thailand and Japan nervously grab another cigarette from the pack, and with shaking hands ..... wink


      Well ... nothing threatens Japan. In a couple of years from the islands there will be a radioactive dump, which even the Chinese will not need.
    3. Edward72
      Edward72 9 September 2013 19: 16
      0
      Still not to smoke, to make such a 3D printer.
    4. starshina78
      starshina78 9 September 2013 20: 21
      -1
      Yes, and we should think about it. China is already actively arming itself. Not against Taiwan. So there is someone more. Who ?
  2. elmi
    elmi 9 September 2013 13: 18
    +9
    At this pace, China will soon push America out of the fleet.
  3. Vlad_Mir
    Vlad_Mir 9 September 2013 13: 20
    +5
    Well done Chinese! You will not say anything!
  4. rugor
    rugor 9 September 2013 13: 21
    +1
    Can our Mistral push them ??? just not cheap !!! Loot beat off and fill it at our shipyards.
    1. potterz
      potterz 9 September 2013 13: 47
      +9
      Mistral will be useful to us!
    2. Blad_21617
      Blad_21617 9 September 2013 14: 11
      +5
      money from the sale plundered idinrosses.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 9 September 2013 20: 46
        +3
        So China began to build its helicopter carriers, so say that we do not need Mistrals!
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 10 September 2013 00: 38
          +1
          Quote: APASUS
          So China began to build its helicopter carriers, so say that we do not need Mistrals!

          China is a country that looks to the future, which is why it was puzzled by ship docks (DKVP). There are at least two reasons: a) a good headquarters ship is needed for operational naval connections (fleet controllers); b) it is a powerful landing-landing weapon capable of conducting over-the-horizon landing of the first landing wave in the rear of the enemy’s PDO. So there is something to think about in terms of the marine aspirations of the Middle Kingdom. In any case, this is a potential threat to the countries of the region and not only!
  5. WIN969
    WIN969 9 September 2013 13: 39
    +3
    There is nothing in the world that the Chinese have not reached, everyone has copied and will copy.
  6. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 9 September 2013 13: 44
    -2
    And the project of the Chinese "Mistrals" was based on the blueprints stuck in Russia ...
  7. Letnab
    Letnab 9 September 2013 13: 45
    +4
    Yes, China is increasingly respected.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 9 September 2013 23: 34
      +3
      Rather fears
  8. Wedmak
    Wedmak 9 September 2013 13: 55
    +4
    The expert also suggested that a large landing ship-dock could be created, capable of taking on board the Zubr-type hovercraft purchased in Ukraine.

    Damn yourself ... what kind of dock camera should there be?
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 9 September 2013 14: 12
      +3
      Quote: Wedmak
      Damn yourself ... what kind of dock camera should there be?

      The words of the expert cause distrust.
      The Zubr's width is more than 25 m versus 14,3 m for the LCAC-type landing craft, not to mention the smaller CTMs.
      Project 12061 "Murena" was considered too large for the Russian Mistrals. And this is with a width of 14,6 m.
      1. Windbreak
        Windbreak 9 September 2013 22: 15
        +2
        Moreover, the Chinese have analogues of the LCAC type landing boat
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 10 September 2013 01: 27
        +2
        Quote: Flood
        The words of the expert cause distrust.

        And for this reason. The main weapons of the DKVP are landing helicopters and turntables of fire support. And a landing-landing vehicle (1-2 units) is taken to the docking chamber for delivering equipment to the shore, which in its weight and size characteristics cannot be delivered ashore using the helicopter's external sling. This is 1's.
        Secondly, if this is an Anadyr-class ship, then it has 2 helicopters and a large dock for lighters. If the scheme is "Mistral", then there will be a large hangar for helicopters and a small dock-camera for 2-1 platforms on an air cushion, or a cavern.
        You can think of another, but then it will be a different ship.
  9. denson06
    denson06 9 September 2013 14: 03
    +1
    Everything they have now is on the rise .. and in huge numbers ..
  10. Siberian
    Siberian 9 September 2013 14: 04
    0
    The Chinese are not asleep. They move at an accelerated pace. Looking at the front photo, there is a similarity with the Mistrals. (Did you turn on the copier again?)
  11. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 9 September 2013 14: 07
    +2
    These will be discussed, the question of the quality of the lead ship remains open, but they can bring it to mind in the future (if all the drawings were stolen and not the hull) fellow
  12. mitya24
    mitya24 9 September 2013 14: 16
    0
    Fuck a goat boyan. It is this proverb that pops into my head while reading this information. The Chinese will teach the whole world to speak Chinese without any "mistrals". Moreover, even in the near term.
    1. Chicot 1
      Chicot 1 9 September 2013 17: 39
      +5
      Quote: mitya24
      The Chinese without any "mistrals" will teach the whole world to speak Chinese

      And that's why it is necessary to knock down arrogance from the "great" China right now. That he was not a "mighty dragon", but become a "fat broiler" ...
      Let the Chinese play soldiers, launch ships and planes, and sometimes even rockets, but ... If necessary, you need to click them on the moon-shaped Han Han physiognomy, so that they know where their real place is. And the place is in the sandbox ...
      But above all, we should not forget that with such a "partner" and "ally" we must always be on the alert. And build your policy precisely on the basis of this circumstance, but not in any way continue to appease the Peking rude ...
  13. 787nkx
    787nkx 9 September 2013 14: 19
    +2
    I heard from acquaintances of a Chinese company of an electronics manufacturer that very raw products enter the market, which are then brought to the proper look. What needs to be tested and finalized in the laboratories is that they will be finalized by the buyer during operation. If ships use the same approach , then do not swim for the buoys.
  14. Sirs
    Sirs 9 September 2013 14: 22
    +2
    The Chinese, in some way, go too far, could buy these ships from the same 5th republic, and not spend billions of money on this project and concentrate developers on more significant projects. And although they stole something and finalized.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 9 September 2013 23: 42
      +2
      The French would not have sold them what they were selling to Russia: sanctions were imposed on China. In addition, the Chinese are building an independent defense industry. And get ready for a big war.
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 10 September 2013 01: 41
      +2
      Quote: Sirs
      The Chinese ... could buy these ships from the same 5 republic, and not spend billions of money on this project.

      Probably they could: they have money. But they, unlike our leaders, prefer to feed their working class rather than the French. And secondly, they have an industry capable of restoring and building ships of the Far East 2-40 thousand tons, which we can only do at Sevmash, and even then with difficulty.
  15. sven27
    sven27 9 September 2013 14: 25
    0
    As if they had not built it before our VLADIVOSTOK)
  16. sven27
    sven27 9 September 2013 14: 52
    +5
    [quote = Sirs] The Chinese in some way go too far could buy these ships from the same 5th republic, and not spend billions of money on this project and concentrate developers on more significant projects. And although they stole something and finalized.
    The ship’s own construction provides an order for OWN enterprises, gives jobs to OWN citizens and money remains in OWN country.
  17. sergant89
    sergant89 9 September 2013 15: 02
    +3
    Quote: sven27
    The ship’s own construction provides an order for OWN enterprises, gives jobs to OWN citizens and money remains in OWN country.

    Absolutely agree with you
  18. King
    King 9 September 2013 15: 10
    +6
    with China one must keep an eye out. Today he is a friend and tomorrow .....
  19. nikcris
    nikcris 9 September 2013 15: 20
    -1
    The construction of landing ships in peacetime, if you are not going to start a war, is a crazy undertaking.
    Either they are not needed at all, or they need a legion (as when landing in Normandy).
    A buoyant can with positive buoyancy is an excellent target for airguns bully
    Hi Serdyukov! And don't tell me that a company of marines is able to change Vanga’s prophecies lol
  20. Algor73
    Algor73 9 September 2013 15: 37
    -2
    China is preparing (preparing) to fight. But with whom? What territory should be captured with such a huge army? It’s not for defense that he is arming himself so hard (from whom to defend?). King is 100% right, and not only the ear needs to be kept, but the military-industrial complex must first be rebuilt to Chinese characteristics. US and Europe Russia is not needed (in military perspective)
  21. Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 9 September 2013 15: 58
    0
    Yes, the Chinese fellows. They can afford a lot, because at first they filled up the whole world with their consumer goods and they have enough dough. If we went along their path, and did not ruin our production by the method of grabbing, they would not keep up with us, but they would catch up and overtake us. After all, we have almost all arrived from the pipe and even cuts. Maybe our leaders will think about the domestic economy.
  22. nikcris
    nikcris 9 September 2013 16: 06
    +2
    Quote: Andrey Peter
    Yes, the Chinese fellows. They can afford a lot, because at first they filled up the whole world with their consumer goods and they have enough dough. If we went along their path, and did not ruin our production by the method of grabbing, they would not keep up with us, but they would catch up and overtake us. After all, we have almost all arrived from the pipe and even cuts. Maybe our leaders will think about the domestic economy.

    are you ready for a bowl of pearl barley (rice) to work without smoke breaks 14 hours a day without holidays, pensions and sick leave?
    If YES, then negative
    1. 31231
      31231 9 September 2013 16: 19
      +2
      You exaggerate a little. Earnings they certainly less. But they have lower prices. And yes, in some places you can compare with the Tajiks.
  23. 31231
    31231 9 September 2013 16: 16
    +1
    I was in China. I will say one thing, well done they.
  24. nikcris
    nikcris 9 September 2013 16: 29
    0
    Quote: King
    with China one must keep an eye out. Today he is a friend and tomorrow .....

    No difference. He (China) was both friend and foe more than once. The results were the same. Borders along rivers (with disputed islands) and the existence of Mongolia.
    He, China, sitting on a mountain (not mountain, but mountain) watched the dragons fight (USSR-USA). (Mao remember?). In this case, a brain dislocation occurred - one and a half billion without coercion became slaves of another billion. Us including.
    And about the conquest of the Far East, they will settle peacefully when we are not there. Not earlier.
  25. nikcris
    nikcris 9 September 2013 16: 51
    +1
    Quote: 31231
    You exaggerate a little. Earnings they certainly less. But they have lower prices. And yes, in some places you can compare with the Tajiks.

    I will not exaggerate. And they cannot be compared with Tajiks. Jamshuts do not work at home - they drink tea, they fertilize in breaks. And the prices of jamshuts are low. And dummies for 200 rubles are not collected at night request Seen dofiga grandmothers (enough for tortillas)
  26. Drosselmeyer
    Drosselmeyer 9 September 2013 18: 34
    +3
    A friend goes to the seas as a mechanic at a merchant. He says that only Chinese ships are worse than Chinese ships after exploitation by the Arabs. Moreover, in new vessels, the whole flight will not get out of the car. But the Koreans and the Japanese - there is just a scheduled service and not a rush. Well, maybe on military courts it’s better, which I doubt very much.
  27. starhina01
    starhina01 9 September 2013 18: 41
    0
    they’ll build it then and see how long it’s too early to speak request but the fact that they smacked on such a project is well done hi
  28. waisson
    waisson 9 September 2013 19: 23
    0
    we are a shame and the Chinese as beetles saw copied created their
  29. nikcris
    nikcris 9 September 2013 20: 11
    +2
    Quote: Chicot 1
    Quote: mitya24
    The Chinese without any "mistrals" will teach the whole world to speak Chinese

    And that's why it is necessary to knock down arrogance from the "great" China right now. That he was not a "mighty dragon", but become a "fat broiler" ...
    Let the Chinese play soldiers, launch ships and planes, and sometimes even rockets, but ... If necessary, you need to click them on the moon-shaped Han Han physiognomy, so that they know where their real place is. And the place is in the sandbox ...
    But above all, we should not forget that with such a "partner" and "ally" we must always be on the alert. And build your policy precisely on the basis of this circumstance, but not in any way continue to appease the Peking rude ...

    There are hundreds of advantages, but reality ... request
    Damansky became Chinese under Brezhnev (?).
    This senseless chopping with temporary islands (hayfields and tp valuables) had to be stopped with vodka-gorilka-beer. Then, today, Russian and Chinese would be brothers forever. What for we needed such that I, seven-year-olds, would discuss - whether there will be a war with China this year. And reassuring acquaintances of the girls, there will be no.
    PS I also had a tank helmet - gave a neighbor demobilization.
    love
  30. Ivan Ural
    Ivan Ural 9 September 2013 20: 47
    +2
    The Chinese are a specific folk. They can create a miracle of the world, and so ... they can do everything all at once.
  31. Alikovo
    Alikovo 9 September 2013 22: 01
    +1
    from China one can expect aggression in the future.
  32. Kavtorang
    Kavtorang 10 September 2013 09: 07
    +1
    To the topic of the article, I will give a piece of text that speak the staff language, they will understand what kind of document:
    "Subsequently, in D6-D7, the enemy is able to conduct a WMD in the region of Southern Primorye.
    The probable design of the WMDO may include concentration, landing of troops and loading of equipment on ships, formation of landing troops in the Zhoushan archipelago from D-3 to D-1. Sea crossing is possible through the Korea Strait by a route that is as close as possible to the DPRK coast (outside territorial waters) in a marching order, providing independently the following DesO 1 and 2 echelons,
    The enemy will most likely strive to ensure the combat stability of DesO at the passage by sea and in the landing area, by inflicting defeat on the strike forces of the fleet (in D3) and the defense of DesO by direct guard forces in cooperation with the operational cover forces.
    The landing of the main landing force group should be expected in D 6 on the Krasny Utes cape — Boysman’s bay in a combined way — the airborne assault echelon — on floating equipment, 1, 2 echelons by the shore-to-shore method. At the same time, sea amphibious landing will be carried out on sites in the region Cape Klerk, Cape Nerpa-River Poyma-Baklan Bay, helicopter - to the Bamburovo area.
    It is possible that the demonstration landing in Perevoznaya Bay.
    The landing of the second echelon is possible in a day at the same landing sites.
    The beginning of the fire destruction of PDO objects by successive air strikes and, it is possible, by artillery, can be expected on the second or third day of the VNO. The enemy is able to attract up to two or three OKOP, 6-8 warships from the direct guard forces to provide fire support to the landing forces on the coast from the sea.
    In order to mislead the command of the Pacific Fleet regarding the DesO transition route, the enemy is able to form a false DesO, making his transition through the central part of the Sea of ​​Japan.
    To implement the plan, the enemy is able to create and in operational formation have:
    a group of submarine forces for operations on maritime communications 9 dpl;
    a group of strike forces (forces for operational landing cover) - up to 10 warships (em-8, pla-2), up to 20 bomber aircraft (Khun-6);
    a group of landing forces of up to 77 warships (em-10, pl-2, sc-10, DK-55), two brigades of marine corps, personnel - up to 10 thousand people, 184 units of armored vehicles, field artillery guns and mortars - 324, ATGM - 120.
    Grouping to maintain a favorable regime in the Sea of ​​Japan - up to 13 warships (em-4, pl-7, rzk-2).
    Against the forces and objects of the fleet, the enemy will be able to engage up to 10 DRGs (up to 100 people).
    It is possible that active minefields can be set up at sea lanes and at Pacific Fleet basing centers; in all, up to 5 minutes can be set for D-110.
    With the beginning and during the course of hostilities, an adversary’s naval group is capable of deploying up to 120 anti-ship missiles in the strength and facilities of the fleet; disrupt maritime traffic east of Primorye on a stretch of up to 300 miles by using more than 160 torpedoes on ships. On the first day of the enemy’s air force, they can make up to 100 BSA sorties and hit missiles and aircraft with up to 10 coastal (ground) Pacific Fleet targets.
    At the initial ethane, military operations will be conducted using conventional means of destruction while maintaining the nuclear weapons of the armed forces of China in constant readiness for combat use.

  33. Kavtorang
    Kavtorang 10 September 2013 09: 24
    +1
    It was a few years ago. The content of a new, analogous papyrus is, of course, unknown to me. But something suggests that it reflects the increase in the combat capabilities of the "neighbor" and, alas, not in our favor. And now let's think together - what about the PLA Navy, a ship of the UDC concept?