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"Tor-M2E" and "Shell" will compete in the Indian tender

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"Tor-M2E" and "Shell" will compete in the Indian tender

Izhevsk Electromechanical Plant "Kupol" hopes to win in the Indian tender for the supply of 52 air defense complexes of short range.


This was announced by ITAR-TASS by the general director of the company Sergey Vasilyev. According to him, the Indian side has made a request for proposals in the framework of the planned tender for the supply of short-range air defense systems. Rosoboronexport decided to submit to this tender two Russian systems - the Tor-MXNUME anti-aircraft missile system developed by the Almaz-Antey Air Defense Concern and the Pantsir-C2 anti-aircraft missile system (EPRP) developed by the Instrument Design Bureau ".

Under the tender, the Indian side plans to acquire air defense systems to form two regiments - the entire 52 unit, not counting special support vehicles.

The Kupol has already adapted the Tor-МХNUMXКМ autonomous combat module of the short-range air defense system to the possible demands of the Indian side by placing it on the wheeled chassis of the Indian company Tata Motors. In this configuration, an autonomous combat module was presented at the MAKS-2 cabin.

Now firing tests of the module will be conducted at one of the Russian landfills. A sea-based version is also being developed.

The Tor-М2КМ air defense missile system is designed to provide air defense of the most important state and military facilities and protect them from cruise, anti-radar and other guided missiles, airplanes, helicopters, unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), guided and planning air bombs at any time of the day, any meteorological conditions, as well as in a difficult jamming environment.

An autonomous combat module is an all-weather, autonomous means with sufficient firepower and noise immunity, short response time from the moment a target is detected before launching an anti-aircraft guided missile (SAM), short alert time, high probability of hitting air targets in a wide range of altitudes and speeds flight in the affected area. As a backup channel for tracking targets, the ZRK has an optical-electronic reticle.

As explained by the specialists of the Kupol plant, the independent combat module of the air defense missile system can be installed on the basis of a car chassis, trailer, semi-trailer or other platforms of suitable capacity of Russian and foreign production, on a railway platform and on ships. It is also possible to use the Tor-2MKM air defense missile system in a stationary version.
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  1. sven27
    sven27 9 September 2013 12: 13 New
    10
    They refused the planes, maybe at least our air defense systems will buy them. We wish good luck to the TORAM OF CASTERIES!
    1. Kars
      Kars 9 September 2013 12: 17 New
      +4
      Quote: sven27
      We wish good luck to the TORAM OF CASTERIES!

      If they honestly, in principle, have no competitors as current ones. French with Krotal, someone else can.
      1. sven27
        sven27 9 September 2013 12: 23 New
        +5
        I agree, but in the tender, besides the technical one, there is often a political component. Therefore, luck will not hurt us)
        1. Akim
          Akim 9 September 2013 12: 43 New
          +4
          Quote: sven27
          often there is a political component.

          If there is a “Tor” based on “TATs,” then the political trump card is in Russia's hands.
          1. elmi
            elmi 9 September 2013 13: 01 New
            +9
            Quote: sven27
            They refused the planes, maybe at least our air defense systems will buy them. We wish good luck to the TORAM OF CASTERIES!

            In the light of another aggression against Syria, the Americans themselves unwillingly contribute to the purchase of funds for those countries that do not want to fall under the "democratization of America." And they will certainly buy our weapons. Well, if we had fully fulfilled the c-300 contracts for Iran and Syria, the whole world would have known that we had a say on deliveries, despite the pressure from America and Israel.
            1. Hon
              Hon 9 September 2013 13: 08 New
              +3
              India is more worried about neighbors than democratizers. The Americans have not yet gone crazy to destabilize the situation in a country that is a member of the nuclear club.
              1. APASUS
                APASUS 9 September 2013 20: 51 New
                +1
                Quote: Hon
                The Americans have not yet gone crazy to destabilize the situation in a country that is a member of the nuclear club.

                Yes, but they will not miss such a tidbit for their defense industry. The article does not indicate with whom we will compete?
                1. Hon
                  Hon 9 September 2013 21: 17 New
                  +1
                  Quote: APASUS
                  Yes, but they will not miss such a tidbit for their defense industry. The article does not indicate with whom we will compete?

                  I don’t think that they have a lot of chances, not the fact that they would have won a tender for helicopters if we had put up for the KA-52 contest
        2. Kars
          Kars 9 September 2013 15: 32 New
          +3
          Quote: sven27
          often there is a political component

          If honestly, even the political will not hurt much. I personally do not know the competitors, and who can offer what.
          The main .. problem .. I think it will be that India vryatli wants to get ready-made complexes, she wants to get, technology and at least joint production in its territory.
          1. Hon
            Hon 9 September 2013 17: 24 New
            +2
            Quote: Kars
            I personally do not know the competitors, and who has something to offer.

            If you do not know this does not mean that they are not
            1. Kars
              Kars 9 September 2013 17: 33 New
              +3
              Quote: Hon
              If you do not know this does not mean that they are not

              Who? Name sister, name)) (A. Dyuma)
              Is Spider a Torah competitor?
              1. Hon
                Hon 9 September 2013 17: 41 New
                +1
                Quote: Kars
                Who? Name sister, name)) (A. Dyuma)
                Is Spider a Torah competitor?

                Including, do you have the exact characteristics of a spider? Or did you carry out their comparative tests, and proved in practice the superiority of the TOP?
                1. Kars
                  Kars 9 September 2013 17: 59 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Hon
                  and you have the exact characteristics of a spider

                  And you don’t have them? Since you can put it in competitors?
                  And even the available characteristics show that it is not a competitor.
                  1. Hon
                    Hon 9 September 2013 18: 07 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Kars
                    And you don’t have them? Since you can put it in competitors?
                    And even the available characteristics show that it is not a competitor.

                    I doubt that Indians will be guided by Wikipedia when choosing. By the way, according to the characteristics of the net available in the net, the TOP is not, on the contrary, the declared TTX of the spider is superior to the TOP.
                    1. Kars
                      Kars 9 September 2013 18: 16 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Hon
                      no, on the contrary, the declared TTX of the spider surpasses the TOP

                      Of course, Thor is a fully autonomous complex with a full set on one chassis, with the ability to fire on the move / short stop inferior to the separate Spider complex. I would like to know the prices. And you can certainly understand your skepticism about the reality of the characteristics, especially in terms of the maximum range of Israeli missiles.
                      1. Hon
                        Hon 9 September 2013 18: 26 New
                        +1
                        Well, for some reason, with all the merits and the clear superiority of the TOP, in 2008 the same Indians signed a contract for the supply of spiders. What is now a significant plus for the Jews, since it is not very rational to have two types of systems in service to carry out the same tasks.
                      2. Kars
                        Kars 9 September 2013 18: 37 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Hon
                        Well, for some reason, for all the virtues

                        Well, the Jews are well-known TRADERS.

                        Quote: Hon
                        and clear superiority

                        Quote: Hon
                        signed a contract for the supply of spiders


                        But vet you can raise the question - why did the Hindus announce a tender, and did not continue to buy Spider, if everything is openwork there.
                      3. Hon
                        Hon 9 September 2013 21: 19 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Kars
                        But vet you can raise the question - why did the Hindus announce a tender, and did not continue to buy Spider, if everything is openwork there.

                        Because they decided that they needed more, and it is better to make a purchase through a tender, so you can cut the price and in general you need to look at all the options.
                      4. Kars
                        Kars 9 September 2013 21: 23 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Hon
                        Because they decided that they needed more

                        ))))))
                        Quote: Hon
                        How can I cut the price

                        This can also be done very well with the prolongation of the contract without any tenders, unless of course everything suits.
                        Quote: Hon
                        in general, you need to look at all the options.

                        It means that not everything suits, but all the options are easy to see at exhibitions. If you can even call home, now they’ll bring such a time.
                      5. Hon
                        Hon 9 September 2013 21: 42 New
                        +1
                        By the way, the Indians constantly make claims specifically to our technology, I remember the recent scandal with missiles, they say there is a lot of marriage, and much more. At exhibitions nothing looks, to understand how well a weapon can only be tested and in operation. If everyone made their choices based on exhibitions, then China would be the leader.
                      6. Kars
                        Kars 9 September 2013 21: 50 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Hon
                        Indians, by the way, constantly make claims specifically to our technology

                        Are you monitoring the statements of the Indians on claims to military equipment? How is it with the Rafale contract? Or maybe the whole thing is in the news in Russian?
                        Quote: Hon
                        . Looks nothing at exhibitions
                        Why do they spend it?

                        Quote: Hon
                        If everyone made their choices based on exhibitions, then China would be the leader.

                        Why? At exhibitions only China is represented?
                        Quote: Hon
                        understand how well a weapon can only be tested and in use.

                        so who is against? And then Spiders are exploited, and you have a tender.
                2. Hon
                  Hon 9 September 2013 21: 24 New
                  0
                  Quote: Kars
                  Well, the Jews are well-known TRADERS.

                  Not the case, the arms market and the jewelry store are two different things. If they are such merchants, then why couldn’t they sell their peat, our arena also didn’t come in handy.
                3. Kars
                  Kars 9 September 2013 21: 36 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Hon
                  Not the case, the arms market and the jewelry store are two different things.

                  Discussion is that everywhere there is MONEY, everywhere there are PEOPLE)) and scandals, black lists, especially in India this is confirmed.
                  Quote: Hon
                  If they are such merchants, then why couldn’t they sell their peat, our arena also didn’t come in handy.

                  But did they express any desire? India expressed its desire to purchase KAZ? And for that matter, the Arena is a thing created using 80's technology, and I didn’t hear anything about its tests for the Indian comrades, even if you forget that the Arena wasn’t even accepted into service of the Russian Federation.
                4. Hon
                  Hon 9 September 2013 22: 06 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Kars
                  But did they express any desire? India expressed its desire to purchase KAZ? And for that matter, the Arena is a thing created using 80's technology, and I didn’t hear anything about its tests for the Indian comrades, even if you forget that the Arena wasn’t even accepted into service of the Russian Federation.

                  Israel, like Russia, lost the tender; Indians bought SAAB LEDS. Arena participated in the competition but did not pass, in Russia they practically abandoned such defense systems in favor of dynamic ones.
                5. Kars
                  Kars 9 September 2013 22: 18 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Hon
                  Israel, like Russia, lost the tender, Indians bought LEDS

                  That's what I didn’t know. I don’t always have a holiday for Jews, we can wait until we hear something. By the way, we should look for the Indian T-90 with this system, after all, the 4 of the year has passed.

                  Quote: Hon
                  well, in Russia they practically abandoned such protection systems in favor of dynamic ones.

                  Here, one is not connected with the other. Arena, as I wrote, is not the ice itself, and KAZ is promised to Armata on Armata, which means they have not refused.
  • Greyfox
    Greyfox 9 September 2013 12: 42 New
    +2
    Quote: Kars
    Quote: sven27
    We wish good luck to the TORAM OF CASTERIES!

    If they honestly, in principle, have no competitors as current ones. French with Krotal, someone else can.

    Israeli "Spider". Recently, Indians are working more closely with Israel, their chances are great.

    In a resumed tender in January of this year (in fact, the third one), requests for information were sent to the following companies: Rosoboronexport, Raytheon (USA), Israel Aerospace Industries and Rafael (Israel Aerospace Industries; Rafael ; Israel), Tetrahedron (Belarus), Dusan Group and LIGNex1 (Doosan Group; LIG Nex1; Republic of Korea), Thales and Eurosam (Thales; Eurosam; France), Dil Defense ( Diehl Defense; Germany), MBDA (EU), BEL and Ping Lloyd (BEL; Punj Lloyd; India).

    As you can see, even the Belarusians are present. Given the many years of bizarre bends of Indian tenders, everything is possible.
  • Hon
    Hon 9 September 2013 13: 03 New
    +2
    Israel, for example, in 2008 India signed a contract for the supply of 18 SPYDER complexes
  • denson06
    denson06 9 September 2013 12: 18 New
    +3
    In terms of air defense, of course, there are no analogues to our technology in the world ..
    (ZRPK) “Shell-S1” has good chances to win as for me ..
    1. S-200
      S-200 9 September 2013 12: 31 New
      +4
      If you are not interested in anything, then you will never find analogues, however ...
      1.SLAMRAAM, USA
      2.SPYDER SR, Israel
      3.IRIS-T SL, Germany
      1. Argon
        Argon 9 September 2013 13: 32 New
        +1
        Dear S-200, excuse me, which of the “analogs” you cited is rocket-artillery? Which can fire in motion? Since we are talking about the “shell”.
        1. Airman
          Airman 9 September 2013 15: 20 New
          -1
          Quote: Argon
          Dear S-200, excuse me, which of the “analogs” you cited is rocket-artillery? Which can fire in motion? Since we are talking about the “shell”.

          The shell is not Tunguska, because of the wheeled chassis fire does not lead in motion.
          1. Argon
            Argon 9 September 2013 16: 51 New
            +1
            there is an option on the same chassis as the Tunguska, and the issue of firing on the go was decisive when putting the "shell" into service, and then they began to help KAMAZ
            1. Hon
              Hon 9 September 2013 17: 27 New
              +2
              Quote: Argon
              there is an option on the same chassis as the Tunguska, and the issue of firing on the go was decisive when putting the "shell" into service, and then they began to help KAMAZ

              Given the fact that the TOR was mounted on a wheeled chassis, the Indians do not plan to purchase on the tracked one, it is possible to use the TATA chassis is a condition of the tender.
      2. Do not care
        Do not care 9 September 2013 22: 57 New
        0
        4. NASAMS (Norwegian Advanced Surface to Air Missile System)
        1. Kars
          Kars 9 September 2013 23: 06 New
          +2
          Quote: Do not care
          4. NASAMS (Norwegian Advanced Surface to Air Missile System)

          Vryatli, this system is suitable for

          Indian tender for the supply of 52 short-range air defense systems.

          Otherwise, I see no reason why Russia did not include the Buk air defense system in the tender
  • Edward72
    Edward72 9 September 2013 12: 33 New
    +1
    SAM is certainly beautiful, but why put them on a TATA chassis? After all, it is no secret that even TATA cars rot faster than our Lada.
    1. sven27
      sven27 9 September 2013 12: 36 New
      +4
      So the Indians support the domestic manufacturer)
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 9 September 2013 12: 45 New
        +6
        citation- “Rosoboronexport” decided to submit two Russian systems for this tender - the Tor-M2E anti-aircraft missile system developed by the Almaz-Antey Air Defense Concern and the Pantsir-S1 anti-aircraft missile and cannon system developed by the Instrument Design Bureau ( KBP). ”

        video footage in the topic



    2. Akim
      Akim 9 September 2013 12: 47 New
      +2
      Quote: Edward72
      SAMs are beautiful, of course, but why put them on a TATA chassis

      The Indian forum does not work, I can’t bring the lineup of their military trucks. India just wants to unify its motley park.
  • USNik
    USNik 9 September 2013 12: 45 New
    +4
    Quote: Edward72
    After all, it is no secret that even TATA cars rot faster than our Lada.

    For me, for example, a secret what . I have been talking about working with a trucking company which, since 2004, has 10pcs 4.7ton TATs that have been delivering water around the city, almost always with an overload of 2-3 tons. Over the past time, they proved to be much better than ointments and gases. True, at first it was a hemorrhoid with dragging inch threads \ bolts \ sensors under metric counterparts, but these were all problems. So, civilian trucks are quite up to par. PS, on the topic of the parsed. Can someone compare the torus and the shell?
  • King
    King 9 September 2013 13: 10 New
    +2
    several shot down American planes with armor would have made him a good advertisement.
    1. APOCALIPTIC
      APOCALIPTIC 9 September 2013 21: 19 New
      +1
      Quote: King
      several shot down American planes with armor would have made him a good advertisement.


      And if these planes do Pantsyrya do?
      1. Hon
        Hon 9 September 2013 21: 27 New
        +1
        Quote: APOCALIPTIC
        And if these planes do Pantsyrya do?

        They can, and moreover will do it, but if there is a loss on their part, this is proof of the effectiveness of the carapace, which means the best advertising.
  • sven27
    sven27 9 September 2013 13: 57 New
    +3
    Quote: USNik
    PS, on the topic of the parsed. Can someone compare the torus and the shell?

    These are systems of different radius of action and it makes no sense to compare them. According to their radius of action, they can be divided as follows: C300 - TOR-Pantsyr. T.O.
  • eplewke
    eplewke 9 September 2013 14: 07 New
    +2
    Both systems are excellent! But here the shell wins a little due to the small arms and cannon weapons. I know that even a tank can turn a shell into a sieve ...
    1. Airman
      Airman 9 September 2013 15: 34 New
      +2
      Quote: eplewke
      Both systems are excellent! But here the shell wins a little due to the small arms and cannon weapons. I know that even a tank can turn a shell into a sieve ...

      TOP is better, Shell on tests could not show the declared TTX. And what kind of tank can an armor turn into a sieve? Is that an armored personnel carrier.
      1. eplewke
        eplewke 10 September 2013 08: 51 New
        0
        Firstly, with the first salvo it licks all active armor from the tank, leaves it blind and the shell shock is provided to the technicians. And the rest of the ammunition is 1400 rounds - believe me, it can easily deal with a tank with such a rate of fire and accuracy ...
  • sven27
    sven27 9 September 2013 14: 16 New
    +1
    Quote: eplewke
    Both systems are excellent! But here the shell wins a little due to the small arms and cannon weapons. I know that even a tank can turn a shell into a sieve ...

    Maybe something, maybe from a cannon by sparrow ... But first of all, it’s an air defense system.
  • nikcris
    nikcris 9 September 2013 15: 28 New
    +2
    Quote: sven27
    I agree, but in the tender, besides the technical one, there is often a political component. Therefore, luck will not hurt us)

    There is usually an economic component. Whoever rolls back is good luck fellow
    And kAG did you think the Swedes won tenders, for example, they win with govnosaray?
  • nikcris
    nikcris 9 September 2013 15: 33 New
    0
    Quote: eplewke
    I know that even a tank can turn a shell into a sieve ...

    Can not. And should not.
    1. eplewke
      eplewke 10 September 2013 08: 55 New
      0
      comment above. After shelling from a torus or a tunguska tank, the tank will definitely remain at least incapacitated ... naturally depending on the distance.
  • rugor
    rugor 9 September 2013 15: 54 New
    +2
    There is also a component - product quality. That's where you need to restore order and the most annoying thing is that in most cases it does not require money. Just clean up with an iron hand.
  • Algor73
    Algor73 9 September 2013 16: 03 New
    +2
    It is not known what tender conditions were put forward by India. If we knew this, then we could judge the prospects of Russia. Russia is slowly but surely losing ground in India. And this is not so much a political aspect, as, I would single out, a qualitative one (the declared characteristics are not confirmed, remember anti-ship missiles, a submarine explosion, a delay with an aircraft carrier, etc.). And what can Belarus provide for this tender? There is no information, maybe someone heard that ?.
  • dvvv
    dvvv 9 September 2013 17: 34 New
    +2
    “The cadres decide everything” - this is where the Russians have problems ... no one is looking at the cadres ... therefore the tender will be drilled as usual and ... they will start looking for the guilty ...
  • nikcris
    nikcris 9 September 2013 17: 58 New
    0
    Quote: dvvv
    “The cadres decide everything” - this is where the Russians have problems ... no one is looking at the cadres ... therefore the tender will be drilled as usual and ... they will start looking for the guilty ...

    recourse
    The tender in India - whoever unfastens more, won.
    Before (long) deliveries were almost free to the Arab states - there the issue was not so serious there. Yes, and have already forgiven debts. But it is more difficult with India, unfortunately.
  • Trevis
    Trevis 9 September 2013 19: 03 New
    +2
    Wish you success. India must not be lost!
  • Ivan Ural
    Ivan Ural 9 September 2013 20: 40 New
    +2
    They will bring down a couple of hundred Axes in Syria, then there will be no end to orders, they will take them without a tender.
  • Irokez
    Irokez 9 September 2013 22: 34 New
    +3
    There is another component present.
    Buy Western systems, so if there is a conflict with friends of the West or the West itself, the system will simply stop working, and it’s not so with Russia, after all, India will not fight with us, and besides, there are less problems with us than with the same Dermocracy spreading over the planet and it's time to quarantine and declare a Russian-made vaccine to apply.
    Imagine if Western models of air defense were right now in Syria, they would have been bombed so long ago.
    Well done Indians - they buy mixed equipment, and even technology for it and a little world-class economy are mastered and applied. China may soon squeeze. Remember China about 30-40 years ago and right now.
  • nikcris
    nikcris 9 September 2013 22: 39 New
    +1
    Quote: Ivan Ural
    They will bring down a couple of hundred Axes in Syria, then there will be no end to orders, they will take them without a tender.

    Do not bring down. I give a tooth. Without a tender, only the last suckers can take, with whom the enemies crossed the border. And onishchenko, we stand on the field as a midfielder - who the hell will stick to us with a sword !!! From him and perish - the stump is clear!
  • sergey158-29
    sergey158-29 9 September 2013 22: 41 New
    +1
    In this segment, Russia has a great chance of a VICTORY, but one thing is true ...

    If the Chinese CLONES do not enter the TENDER ... stop
    1. Hon
      Hon 10 September 2013 11: 46 New
      0
      firstly, the Chinese clones do not correspond to quality, secondly, China is the main power and the second most dangerous enemy of India, relations are now normalizing, but not the fact that a conflict between China and India will not break out again.
  • nikcris
    nikcris 9 September 2013 23: 28 New
    +1
    Quote: sergey158-29
    In this segment, Russia has a great chance of a VICTORY, but one thing is true ...

    If the Chinese CLONES do not enter the TENDER ... stop

    Together with the Belarusians we would like to win together. I, as a last resort. I like your flag.
  • Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b 10 September 2013 04: 30 New
    0
    I would like to wish failure to this tender. Hindus began to become like a pig among a mountain of oranges. The personnel potential of our enterprises is limited and if they begin to drive to the side, then domestic air defense will again remain in the ass. Ultimately, this technique will go to staff to develop countermeasures, as has happened more than once. And how to protect your airspace? Slingshots? Two regiments would be very necessary to cover our facilities. Crime !!!!! all this.
  • tikitik
    tikitik 21 September 2013 21: 10 New
    0
    The work is directly related to the Top. Comments on some issues in the discussions. They put on the TAT in order to please the Indians a good enough order and can take it to a new level, since the development of a modification of the complex. And about the fact that they will release to the left, they won’t get their own, all this is garbage. As the agreements with the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation were signed, so they act, it’s just that the staff will work more and that’s all.
    In the firing conducted, the TOR showed the best performance compared to the Shell