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Two types of tanks will remain in the Ground Forces

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In 1,5 years, the ground forces of the armed forces of the Russian Federation will be fully transferred to use tanks two types of T-72 and T-90A.


This will happen, according to the concept of the development of armored vehicles of military technology up to 2020. This was announced today on the radio station Ekho Moskvy by the head of the Main Automobile and Armored Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation Alexander Shevchenko.

“Through 1,5 of the year, we will come to the conclusion that in the ground forces and in the units of constant readiness there will be a single family of the T-72 tank, modernized by firepower, and the T-90А tank,” he said.

Shevchenko added that even 5 years ago, armored armament in the Russian Federation had at least 40 samples and at least 10 types of tanks only, the maintenance of such a number of vehicles was not profitable both in financial and technical terms.
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  1. sven27
    sven27 9 September 2013 12: 00 New
    +4
    And what about tanks with GTE we completely refuse?
    1. Kars
      Kars 9 September 2013 12: 01 New
      12
      Interestingly, the T-80 will be sawn on metal, targets or repaired and sold?
      1. yanus
        yanus 9 September 2013 12: 06 New
        16
        Quote: Kars
        Interestingly, the T-80 will be sawn on metal, targets or repaired and sold?

        T80, according to the old Soviet tradition, simply rot at the "storage" bases.
        1. seller trucks
          seller trucks 9 September 2013 12: 27 New
          20
          7000!!!! units in the furnace, why the hell is such a reform needed? In truth, no words
          1. bask
            bask 9 September 2013 12: 46 New
            11
            Quote: seller trucks
            7000 !!!! units in the furnace, why the hell is such a reform needed?

            And what units !!! Upgrade the T-80 and operate together with the T-90.
            1. evil hamster
              evil hamster 10 September 2013 16: 29 New
              0
              Come on. What for? If we compare, let’s say T72B3 - in the form that they are doing now
              and the potential modernization of the T80B in the same vein (the same budget), then there will not be much difference. The firepower will be the same, the protection of the T73B3 is perhaps a bit better, of course the T80 is better in driving performance, but you have to pay for it. They don’t make new turbines, they just have to repair the finished ones and it’s not clear how much they can do and how much it will cost, provided that it has not been done for 20 years already?
              It would be better if the T72 was modernized normally for protection and not just the JMA. Better still, they wouldn’t be littering and release the T90 in series in decent volumes while Armata is in operation.
          2. Evgeny_Lev
            Evgeny_Lev 9 September 2013 12: 47 New
            +2
            I do not understand your admiration for the 80th.
            When I served on Sputnik, I often, in the winter, became a witness of how 80s with a gas turbine engine, stupidly stuck in the snow.
            72ki then pulled them.
            So xs, I didn’t use tanks, only MTLBs and NONs, but the negative about 80s remained.
            1. Dinver
              Dinver 9 September 2013 14: 53 New
              +3
              Yes, even if they’re not very, but they’ll just rot them in the open air, if only they would hand them over to the state guards in underground storage in grease, maybe they will come in handy ...
              1. seller trucks
                seller trucks 9 September 2013 15: 33 New
                +3
                Quote: Dinver
                at least they handed over to the state guards in underground storage facilities in grease, maybe they will still be useful to us ...


                at the State Conservation, the equipment is from 2-3 years, we are now selling KamAZ and UAZ 2011 of the year, what you offer will lead to overloading of warehouses. This is not an option.
            2. tomket
              tomket 9 September 2013 16: 31 New
              +2
              yes there and MTLBs were sitting on the ears to the ears, especially if the mechanic was not experienced on balls, it’s a sweet thing to bury oneself in the hatches, but 80 does it at full speed on the virgin snow
            3. Aleks tv
              Aleks tv 9 September 2013 17: 04 New
              +4
              Quote: Evgeny_Lev
              So xs, I didn’t use tanks, only MTLBs and NONs, but the negative about 80s remained.

              "I do not know, but against." What is it like ?

              Somehow tank crews were derailed with unification and nobody cared.
              And now all of a sudden, everyone remembered it right away, screamed and decided ... the best of the tanks in service was to write off.
              Namana. Heh. I hope that this infa does not quite reflect reality.

              If the T-80 will be removed from service, then good reasons and reasons are needed, somewhere infa slipped that the engines can not repair, but this is not a good reason. And do not forget about the cars delivered abroad.

              T-80 is a serious weapon, it can only be changed to Armata.
            4. kot11180
              kot11180 9 September 2013 19: 43 New
              0
              on a satellite, is it in Vladikavkaz? and there that beat 80s? it seems only 72 and 90s now
              1. tomket
                tomket 9 September 2013 23: 52 New
                0
                This satellite is near Murmansk, there are Marines
          3. Geisenberg
            Geisenberg 9 September 2013 17: 16 New
            -1
            Quote: seller trucks
            7000!!!! units in the furnace, why the hell is such a reform needed? In truth, no words


            The point of keeping them? Just in case, chtoli? Or to enslave Europe ???

            As one movie hero said, “we will cool if what goes wrong” I will rephrase - no one wants to capture a nuclear garbage dump.
            1. tomket
              tomket 10 September 2013 00: 31 New
              +1
              how, for example, to estimate the excess of tanks in the 41 year? was there too much or vice versa, just so much that would stop the Wehrmacht near Moscow in the end? why say t-26 was not sent to the furnace? after all, t-34 has already appeared, just in case has happened, and we must come in handy!
              1. evil hamster
                evil hamster 10 September 2013 16: 20 New
                0
                Maybe just if they were a little smaller, but their preparedness and correctness were higher and the crews and command were better prepared (there are still a lot if), then 41 years would not be so tragic for us. Better repaired and running T72A on the basis of storage, even if it has a primitive SDA (it is not there exactly like the System) but it works than the T80U in the form of firewood. Much better.
      2. Strashila
        Strashila 9 September 2013 15: 44 New
        +2
        They’re stolen’s ... they’ll drink it’s ... everyone will prosrut’s ... everything is as always.
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 9 September 2013 12: 23 New
      +9
      one engine sound was bewitching ... it seemed that now it will go on for a long time from excess power, like a Porsche or a Ferrari ... sorry ... sorry ... recourse
      1. sven27
        sven27 9 September 2013 12: 27 New
        +3
        the sound is really like a racing car)
        1. Orel
          Orel 9 September 2013 14: 54 New
          +3
          In 1,5, the ground forces of the RF Armed Forces will be fully transferred to the use of two types of tanks T-72 and T-90А.

          This will happen, according to the concept of the development of armored weapons of military equipment until 2020.


          Those. “Armata” we can’t wait until 2020?
          1. zadorin1974
            zadorin1974 9 September 2013 15: 17 New
            +4
            Dear eagle, what are you talking about belay what kind of "armata" do we still have in the song - "we will build our new world" for twenty years, one tank (t 95) was built and now in two years an entire platform? moreover, "so as not to drink, not smoke, so that flowers always gave "
  2. bars280
    bars280 9 September 2013 12: 00 New
    +2
    And where is Armata ????
    1. Edward72
      Edward72 9 September 2013 12: 18 New
      +4
      Of course, it is pennimistic, but for the time being they will bring to mind Armata the 72nd and 90th themselves will fall apart.
    2. military
      military 9 September 2013 12: 32 New
      +4
      Quote: bars280
      And where is Armata ????

      where-where? ... the elder one said that two types ... so two ... request
  3. RBLip
    RBLip 9 September 2013 12: 01 New
    -1
    but where is the armata? when it will be seen in the troops?
  4. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 9 September 2013 12: 02 New
    +7
    WHERE will T80 do?
    1. nemec55
      nemec55 9 September 2013 12: 07 New
      +3
      Upgrade to ARMATA
    2. Tersky
      Tersky 9 September 2013 14: 23 New
      +4
      Quote: tilovaykrisa
      WHERE will T80 do?

      There is such a continent in Africa, where the natives suck in junk unless the penguins, and then because of the unbearable heat, ..
  5. smel
    smel 9 September 2013 12: 05 New
    +6
    I can’t plus, because I’m used to that recently all the innovations are harmful
  6. knyazDmitriy
    knyazDmitriy 9 September 2013 12: 05 New
    +9
    here are not smart people, t-80 in the scrap is nonsense !!! I wonder how they will cover the northern borders without a gas turbine engine, which starts in 2 minutes, and unlike diesels, which start 40 minutes
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 9 September 2013 12: 22 New
      0
      Quote: knyazDmitriy
      I wonder how they will cover the northern borders without GTE

      And from whom to protect? From polar bears?
    2. zadorin1974
      zadorin1974 9 September 2013 15: 22 New
      +1
      we don’t have a howl at a boble; we’ll kill another platform; a reactive hovercraft and armament like a modern destroyer fellow
    3. evil hamster
      evil hamster 10 September 2013 16: 32 New
      0
      Is it supposed that the Abrams on the gas turbine engine will pass on the ice of the Arctic Ocean and hit us in the rear? laughing
  7. RBLip
    RBLip 9 September 2013 12: 05 New
    +8
    Quote: tilovaykrisa
    WHERE will T80 do?

    I propose to sell to the population. at the price of scrap metal. laughing
    1. nemec55
      nemec55 9 September 2013 12: 08 New
      +3
      Cool and garden to plow and slap in the mouth to heap thieves.
    2. d1m1drol
      d1m1drol 9 September 2013 14: 21 New
      +3
      Necessarily with ammunition)) Pests are plagued by w))
    3. Tersky
      Tersky 9 September 2013 14: 29 New
      +3
      Quote: RBLip
      I propose to sell to the population.

      Are you going to go to the market? To answer the question about the price, “How much, how much? Is this for the whole bag? How cheap is it today ....” laughing
  8. denson06
    denson06 9 September 2013 12: 07 New
    -1
    WHERE will T80 do?

    Who knows ... All this needs to be done smoothly ... gradually ... competently ..
    I hope that it will be like that..
    80-ku, if I’m not mistaken before, Kharkov developed and produced .. By itself, an expensive tank, of course ..
    1. Kars
      Kars 9 September 2013 12: 15 New
      +5
      Quote: denson06
      Kharkov used to develop

      Leningrad.
      T-80UD which Kharkov made in the Russian Federation has long been written off / put in storage.
  9. Slevinst
    Slevinst 9 September 2013 12: 07 New
    0
    and I wonder where the armata will go
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    1. yanus
      yanus 9 September 2013 12: 11 New
      +5
      Quote: S-200
      I'm not a tanker, but isn't the T-80 a modification of the base T-72?

      No. Independent model. The share of unification with T72, of course, is, but not enough.
  11. MrFYGY
    MrFYGY 9 September 2013 12: 14 New
    +7
    For me, the T-80 with the gas turbine engine, the most so for the "Arctic Brigades", it is too early to write it off.
  12. Russ69
    Russ69 9 September 2013 12: 20 New
    11
    More recently, it was said through the mouth of someone from the General Staff that the T-80s would be deployed to the Far East. And the rest of the district will gradually change to T-72 and T-90. And this process is not fast. It seems to me again, or someone that did not understand or did not agree.
  13. terran125
    terran125 9 September 2013 12: 22 New
    +3
    Quote: RBLip
    I propose to sell to the population. at the price of scrap metal

    fully support drinks and I’d buy a couple just in case wassat
    1. paul1969
      paul1969 9 September 2013 12: 37 New
      +3
      and even on credit !!!
  14. Algor73
    Algor73 9 September 2013 12: 34 New
    +2
    It is a reasonable decision in order to save, if the remaining tanks are susceptible to conservation. And if the abandoned decay in decay?
    1. paul1969
      paul1969 9 September 2013 12: 42 New
      +2
      in order to support the increase of patriotism in the country, which, incidentally, is in short supply
  15. Muadipus
    Muadipus 9 September 2013 12: 41 New
    0
    There is logic in the subject. Unification is our main assistant. Because the economy must be economical. And the T-80? ... well, most of it is mothballed, it can either be left in this form or sold. And those in the army so .. nothing will happen will drag the service. The correct idea is to spread different types of tanks from different angles, it’s easier and cheaper to maintain a material base. And specialists do not need to "smear" all over Russia.
    IMHO normal news.
  16. yanus
    yanus 9 September 2013 12: 41 New
    +4
    By the way, the latest T-80s can be transferred to the Internal Troops. They have everything exactly wild junk, they will come in handy on the farm.
  17. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 9 September 2013 12: 43 New
    +4
    In order to keep the T-80 in service, it is necessary to maintain production to make up for the loss, accumulate MTO funds, and train crews and repair services. Plan the use of tanks only in areas where "native" spare parts and suitable fuel are accumulated. For arctic brigades snow and swamp technique is needed, preferably floating, it is unlikely that they will have tanks in service.
  18. erased
    erased 9 September 2013 12: 45 New
    +3
    Firstly, the information is outdated, it hangs on the network for three days already. Secondly, this statement by the Head of the Main Armored Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Russia looks strange:
    ... a prototype of the new Russian tank on the Armata platform will be sent for preliminary tests in two months. It is not inferior to the counterparts in the arsenal of NATO countries, and in some respects surpasses them ...
    Source - http://www.dni.ru
    Is this new tank just going to be worse ?? And something better? So surprised.
    And thirdly, if by 2015 the modernized T-72 and some T-90 will go into the troops (it is not clear in which version), then what kind of shisha will Armata buy?
    In a word, a lot of questions. We look forward to continuing ...
  19. Diesel
    Diesel 9 September 2013 12: 51 New
    +6
    Damn well, t80bv and t80u (beats) then you need to leave, at least in the Far East and in the northern regions.
  20. Drosselmeyer
    Drosselmeyer 9 September 2013 13: 05 New
    0
    The General Staff would have somehow filtered the information. Almost every month in the news about tanks, one thing or another.
  21. Armata
    Armata 9 September 2013 13: 09 New
    +3
    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Where is Armata? something like this now and start to scream. Just a simple question. Where at least T90MS? Shorter than all shod.
  22. King
    King 9 September 2013 13: 13 New
    +3
    For me, it’s necessary not to stupidly send old samples to the landfill, but to do so, as in the states, to sell all the old equipment in the country.
    1. Muadipus
      Muadipus 9 September 2013 13: 51 New
      0
      So in the article about the landfill, not a word is said
  23. Letnab
    Letnab 9 September 2013 13: 38 New
    +1
    unification is a good thing, just not immediately and abruptly it is necessary to do it, but as is customary in our country, according to the revolutionary, checker swing, and neither old tanks, nor new ones ... gradually replace equipment as new and modernized ones arrive.
  24. Sochi
    Sochi 9 September 2013 13: 48 New
    +4
    Maybe I’m mistaken, but the diesel engine has reached its limit and it is already impossible to significantly increase the given mass dimensions. GTE seems to have more prospects, although at this stage it will require a very significant investment. Therefore, the rejection of the T-80 seems to me a short-sighted step. As if then again did not have to catch up.
  25. servant.
    servant. 9 September 2013 13: 55 New
    +2
    Well, here you have the new minister and rearmament ....
  26. Andrew 447
    Andrew 447 9 September 2013 14: 17 New
    +4
    For incomplete 12 years, I served on the T-54 / 55 / 62 / 64 / 64Б, this is really nonsense. You still remember the T-64 in different modifications (in my memory there are 4-5 variations). It is correct that the parts of constant readiness translate on the 2 type of tanks. Armata is likely to go first to the "court" divisions. Well, and equipment from the storage bases, in which case, we will get the "old people". The T-80 with the gas turbine engine eats jet fuel and the hour for study is expensive . So nothing revolutionary. The main thing is that GBTU tanks would be distributed among districts taking into account the features of the theater of operations.
  27. sven27
    sven27 9 September 2013 14: 30 New
    0
    Quote: sven27
    And what about tanks with GTE we completely refuse?

    Why did they blame it?
  28. NickitaDembelnulsa
    NickitaDembelnulsa 9 September 2013 14: 51 New
    0
    Yes, you do not believe them. they hastened to "make us happy." This is the number of tanks for decommissioning. Rave. A considerable part of them from overhaul came only, and here. Autogen them. They will send T-80, T-55, T-64 and T-62 to the most geographically safe regions of the country and all. Military men are not enemies to themselves
  29. rudolff
    rudolff 9 September 2013 14: 55 New
    +4
    Maybe this idea has some pragmatic and rational meaning, but annoying in any way! Experience suggests that the art of "getting rid of surpluses" has been mastered perfectly by our Defense Ministry. Like wizards, damn it! Any volume of any equipment will be "dissolved" in a week and you will not find the ends. True, then, with a Cheshire smile, they may admit that they were in a hurry, but purely past leaders will be to blame. For about the same reasons, ten-year-old ships were sent under the cutter.
  30. servant.
    servant. 9 September 2013 15: 04 New
    +2
    What will be removed from service and the type will go to storage bases, it is unlikely to ever become a military unit .... This is so from life experience ..
    1. Andrew 447
      Andrew 447 9 September 2013 15: 42 New
      +1
      Basically, there may be problems with the engines, it depends on how they canned am The main thing is of course the battery and ammunition, and the rest can be trivial with the 1 machine as a spare part kit in the company. IF WHAT 90% starts up and goes.
  31. Strashila
    Strashila 9 September 2013 15: 41 New
    +2
    As experience shows to MO officials, the bloody experience says nothing ... after all, neither they go on the attack. Types of wagons again ... there were 10 types of tanks ... what ??? I understand the economic crisis ... China needs cheap metal ... but not at the cost of Russia's security. It’s just a struggle for loot ... The Urals, as Omsk can push in ... they first closed the design bureau ... now they’ll lose their jobs ... and then ... another new housing on the premises of the former factory.
    1. Andrew 447
      Andrew 447 9 September 2013 15: 58 New
      +4
      In Zabvo in 80-90xx, the IS-3 were also at the storage bases, so imagine a list, probably somewhere else the T-10 is in storage + PT-76, T-54 (with a bunch of different modifications, I remember in the next company from 10 tanks were 4 of various modifications) / 55 / 62 / 64 (about.NUMXb) / 432,434,437,447,447 (also modifications72-3) / 4 (also 80-4 modifications). And what’s the matter with this zoo? My opinion is up to T-5б in scrap metal or sold and sold to the “natives. T-64б / 64 / 72 for early releases for storage and gradually upgrade them. Fresh keep in combat units.
      1. tomket
        tomket 9 September 2013 16: 33 New
        0
        to bring to a single standard or to make heavy armored personnel carriers from them, which by the way is very popular today, the experience of Israel is at hand, but apparently no one wants to study
  32. RBLip
    RBLip 9 September 2013 16: 25 New
    +1
    Quote: Tersky
    Are you going to go to the market?

    into the village for the weekend. you go, you look at the traffic cop, you turn the tower around like that and swing the gun with it, ah-ah-yay! cool! smile
  33. desiscia
    desiscia 9 September 2013 16: 32 New
    0
    t-64 in the furnace t-80 rot and ride on something you will be in the trash raving is not rearmament and damage. There is no reason, no fate.
    1. svp67
      svp67 9 September 2013 17: 39 New
      0
      Quote: desiscia
      t-64 in the furnace t-80 rot and ride on something you will be in the trash raving is not rearmament and damage. There is no reason, no fate.
      Thank you for your concern, but first clean up yourself ... This is it. The second thing that is clearly said is that they will be replaced by new and modernized ones, and this is not a very fast song, especially in light of the upcoming budget cuts ...
      1. desiscia
        desiscia 9 September 2013 17: 56 New
        0
        so what the hell order, change Mercedes to Lada.
        1. evil hamster
          evil hamster 10 September 2013 16: 39 New
          0
          Is it a T64 then a Mercedes?
  34. Rossmk
    Rossmk 9 September 2013 18: 09 New
    +1
    Better they rivet at least half the t-90, and then the old ones are sawing!
  35. Per se.
    Per se. 9 September 2013 22: 22 New
    +1
    When only money is from morality and only profit is from perspective, so why be surprised. We don’t need tanks with gas turbine engines, and they will put an end to T-80 ... In general, our counterintelligence should monitor such innovations in strategic perspectives by calculating an “idea generator” who is either a fool or a traitor, in such cases to such “economists” no place to steer in the defense of the country.
  36. sergey158-29
    sergey158-29 9 September 2013 23: 24 New
    0
    Everything seems to be logical ...

    But is it always better to have fewer, but simple tanks ...
  37. MRomanovich
    MRomanovich 10 September 2013 07: 35 New
    0
    Refuse T80? EBNa and Serdyukov not (someone alive, someone at the helm) and their business lives on.
  38. knyazDmitriy
    knyazDmitriy 12 September 2013 11: 58 New
    0
    Quote: MrFYGY
    For me, the T-80 with the gas turbine engine, the most so for the "Arctic Brigades", it is too early to write it off.

    I completely agree with you, the tank has clearly not exhausted its potential, and if you try a little and bring the experimental development of the gas turbine engine to reduce fuel consumption, and equip the T-80 with a new electronic filling, it will obviously be able to carry out military service for the good of MOTHERLAND for more than a dozen years .