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Lady at the helm of the deck fighter. The Life and Death of Kara Haltgreen

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Lady at the helm of the deck fighter. The Life and Death of Kara Haltgreen



A woman is born and remains free and has equal rights with a man. A woman has the right to climb the guillotine; she should also have the right to climb the podium. ("Declaration of the Rights of a Woman and a Citizen")
- Olympia de Goog, 1791 year


Dreams tend to come true. The American Kara Haltgreen dreamed of space since childhood and dreamed of repeating the feats of the heroes of her childhood - Gagarin, Armstrong, Sally Ride ... Speed ​​and extreme height - what could be better?

But they don’t take NASA astronauts simply “from the street” - you need to have a pilot license or at least be a candidate of science. The prospect of cramming boring formulas Kare did not like - the girl made a choice in favor of a pilot's career. Become a military pilot? Why not? Emancipation gives women equal rights.

After graduating from high school, Kara tried to enroll in the U.S. Navy Academy in Annapolis on the move - an elite educational institution, before the graduates of which any horizons open: the fleet, aviation, marines, NASA, scientific research or work in the interests of the CIA and the NSA are the most interesting projects for every taste.

“... The examinations at the flight institute failed, the dream is a dream, but astronauts are not taken ...”

I had to limit my imagination and enroll in a regular University of Texas. After receiving an engineering degree in the aerospace industry, Kara went to the "second run" - this time, she was without any delay enrolled in the Naval Aviation Officer School of the US Navy in Pensacola (Florida.).

Well, naval aviation sounds good. Pilot license, reputation and service in the squadron VAQ-33 - auxiliary EW group of coastal-based aviation of the US Navy. Maybe she will be satisfied with the position of navigator navigator or operator of onboard radio-electronic systems ... No! Cara wanted to get on her own at the controls of the aircraft.

The girl made great efforts. In addition to maintaining good physical shape - height meter eighty, chest press - 100 kg, she continued to diligently study the aviation sciences, and here it is, it was her turn - on the strip roared with engines EA-6B "Pruler".



The four-seater subsonic electronic warfare aircraft is an unsightly looking machine resembling a fat seal. Did she dream of such a "prince" since childhood?

The service in VAQ-33 turned out to be short-lived - in 1993, Kara Haltgreen achieved a transfer to a real job: Kara wanted a thrill to become the world's first female aircraft carrier pilot!
Now all her dreams were connected with the steering wheel of the Tomcat, a heavy deck interceptor, a super machine worth more than 40 million dollars.



Grumman F-14 Tomcat is a double interceptor fighter with a variable geometry wing. The heaviest of mass aircraft carrier-based aircraft with a normal take-off weight of more than 30 tons!
The first fighter of the fourth generation, entered service with the US Navy in 1972 year. Tomcata's maximum speed exceeds two speeds of sound. The variable geometry wing provides efficient and economical flight at any selected altitude and speed range. A serious on-board radioelectronics complex combining the AN / AWG-9 radar, the AN / ALR-23 infrared system capable of detecting contrasting thermal targets over a distance of more than 200 km, and the CADC on-board computer for automatic control of all aircraft systems. But the main highlight of the F-14 were long-range AIM-54 “Phoenix” air-to-air missiles, capable of hitting targets at a range of 180 km.

Despite his gigantic appearance and reputation as a formidable fighter, the F-14 was too bulky and heavy to base on the cramped deck of an aircraft carrier, besides, he suffered severely from the low reliability of his engines - it is known that a quarter of the US Navy's Tomcats 633 broke into aviation accidents and catastrophes.


Here is such a life partner chose Lieutenant Haltgreen. The choice was not easy - mastering the wayward Tomcat went with a creak and in terrible agony; Kara failed the first qualification test, failing to land the "Kotyar" on the deck of a ship.

And yet, the purposeful lieutenant Haltgreen achieved her own - in the summer of 1994, she finally got access to the independent control of F-14 and was enlisted in the Fighter squadron VF-213 "Black Lions" stationed on board the atomic carrier "Abraham Lincoln".



However, evil tongues claim that Lieutenant Khaltgrin was allowed to control the F-14 bypassing all the rules - the Navy command sought to hush up the hype around the sexual harassment scandal at the Tailhook symposium *, and was in a hurry to demonstrate women navythat the "weaker sex" is not as weak as dirty chauvinists claim.

* The tailhook scandal - the events that occurred at the celebration of the 35 anniversary of the Tailhook Aviation Pilots Association (literally “tail hook”) in September 1991 of the year. After the symposium at the Hilton Hotel (Las Vegas) near 100, pilots and veterans of the US Navy were prosecuted and disciplined for harassment to their work colleagues (all 83 women filed (including Kara Haltgreen), and that surprisingly, 7 men - however, it is too early to draw any conclusions, the American ladies themselves are capable of much).

In general, be that as it may, Lieutenant Haltgreen received the coveted F-14 pilot license and began intensive preparations for the upcoming campaign in the Persian Gulf. Along with admission to the management of the aircraft carrier, fame came - the first female pilot of the deck fighter became a welcome guest on various television talk shows and filming of documentaries about the service in the US Navy.
The command of the US Navy looked "through the fingers" at the hype around the new lieutenant - even her exotic radio call sign "Revlon" (make-up brand) was taken for granted. In the end, desperate Cara became the symbol and favorite of the nation - so let the whole world look at how women's rights are respected in America!

... doom is not terrible to the hero
While mad dream!


October 25 1994 of the year, just a month after 3 after receiving admission to the management of F-14, Lt. Kara Spears Haltgreen died to the death.

The F-14A "Tomcat" aircraft (serial number 160390, tail code NH), piloted by Karry Haltgreen, fell into the water when approaching the aircraft carrier Abraham Lincoln. On the remaining footage of the newsreel you can see how one of the Kota's engines stalled, after which the plane finally lost speed, turned over and crashed into the water just behind the stern of the aircraft carrier.

The second member of the crew - the operator of electronic systems Matthew Clemish managed to safely leave the emergency vehicle; Cara hesitated only a split second - at the moment when her ejection seat worked, the plane was already upside down. A strong blow to the water did not leave her a chance for salvation. The search helicopter managed to lift only a crumpled flight helmet from the water.


Haltgreen aircraft crash


The command of the US Navy initiated an operation to lift wreckage from the ocean floor — after 19 days, the bent aircraft, flight recorders and the body of Lieutenant Haltgreen, still strapped to the ejection seat, were lifted from 1100 meters. Kara Haltgreen was buried with military honors at the Arlington National Cemetery.




Fragments of an F-14D aircraft. A similar case, 2004 year


Resonant air crash caused a new circle of fierce disputes regarding the service of women in the navy and in aviation. Passions were seething with no joke - an accident of class "A", with the loss of an expensive aircraft and the death of a female pilot who had just received permission to control it. What conclusions followed from all this nasty stories? Politically incorrect question - is there a place for women in deck aircraft?

The results of the investigation of the incident were presented in open form - the official version associated the catastrophe with technical malfunctions on board the aircraft, the fault was completely removed from Lieutenant Haltgreen.
Vice Admiral Robert Span, commander of the US Navy in the Pacific, said that testing a similar scenario on an aircraft simulator (surging and stopping the engine on a landing glide) showed that 8 of 9 male pilots could not keep the F-14 in the air and suffered a catastrophe.

A new round of scandal erupted after information about the results of the internal investigation of the US Navy leaked to the press - experts agreed that the cause of the crash was a pilot error: realizing that the plane was landing at the wrong angle, Kara tried to correct the direction of flight - a critical situation for engines Tomkat F-14. Under certain flight conditions, at a speed close to the stall speed, such a maneuver reduces the density of the air flow through the engine compressor, below the limit level - the engine surges and stops.

The F-14 pilot's instruction strictly prohibits “yaw” during landing, alas, Kara violated this condition. The left engine is dead. What happened next - does not cause questions: the plane finally lost speed and fell into the water.



Disappointed with the female pilots, the command of the US Navy suspended her colleague Kara Haltgreen, another desperate damsel, Carrie Lorenz, from flying.

Lieutenant Lorenz also served on the aircraft carrier Lincoln as a pilot for the Tomkat F-14 interceptor, but, alas, the death of a colleague put an end to her future career as a deck aviation pilot. Carrie was asked "with things on the way out." Lieutenant Lorenz did not lose her head, and went to court, accusing the fleet leadership of discrimination and sexism. The case ended with a settlement - Carrie paid compensation in 150 thousand dollars, with the proviso that she would forget how to look in the direction of aircraft carriers and Tomcat aircraft.
In 1997, the “desperate housewife” returned to flight work, but alas, the slippery decks of the ships remained in the past - now she is allowed to fly only ground-based aircraft.

Epilogue

At a time when American squadrons master the “Strike Needles” and “Raptors”, the US Navy deck aircraft completely abandoned the flight services of the “beautiful half of humanity”. Why did it happen? Is it all the fault of the absurd death of Lieutenant Haltgreen?



If we discard the idea that the F-14 squadrons initially specialized in the destruction of Soviet and Russian missile carriers, Karu Haltgreen is humanly sorry. Strong and purposeful lady. She stubbornly went to her dream. Perished in performance at the age of 29.

Frankly, the girl is not to blame. How not to blame and her "steel cat". The pilot and the plane acted at the limit of their strengths and capabilities, alas, the specificity of deck aircraft is such that landing Tomkata on an aircraft carrier is similar to running along the razor's edge - the Internet is replete with stories about the death of deck aircraft.

The concept itself is flawed - in conditions when the masses of jet fighters amount to tens of tons, and landing speeds are noticeably higher than 200 km / h (the machine balances on the verge of stalling speed) - in such conditions even the Nimitz 300-meter aircraft carrier deck is not enough for safe and efficient operation of modern aircraft.

As for precedent, women are at the helm of a deck fighter ... Well, well, feminists have achieved equality with men. Now let gay men fight for equality with women.


Video showing the service and death of Kara Haltgreen (2: 20)
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  1. Canep
    Canep 10 September 2013 08: 08 New
    31
    It is necessary for women to give birth and to raise children, not to play war games, but for men to work, and to feed these same women while they are doing what they should do, and even protect them if necessary. Sad story.
    1. Vlad_Mir
      Vlad_Mir 10 September 2013 09: 49 New
      +4
      You can’t kill romance!
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 10 September 2013 10: 46 New
      10
      as "antibiotic" said: a woman in men's affairs is not according to concepts ... be she a hundred times smarter!
    3. abdrah
      abdrah 10 September 2013 13: 14 New
      +7
      Before the tolerastic revolution, the Germans professed the principle of "three Ks" - Kinder, Küche, Kirche: children, kitchen (house), church. This is all that should be of interest to a woman. The rest is from the evil one.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 10 September 2013 14: 48 New
        -5
        Quote: abdrah
        Before the tolerastic revolution, the Germans professed the principle of "three Ks" - Kinder, Küche, Kirche: children, kitchen (house), church. This is all that should be of interest to a woman. The rest is from the evil one.

        Remind me, which uncle with antennae and what ideology promoted this topic?
        1. Uncle
          Uncle 10 September 2013 15: 04 New
          13
          Quote: Pimply
          Remind me, which uncle with antennae and what ideology promoted this topic?

          Even a broken watch shows the right time twice a day, I remind you that uncle with a mustache created a great country, you can say he raised Germany from his knees after the 1st World War, but he was right for us, he was wrong ...
          1. tilovaykrisa
            tilovaykrisa 10 September 2013 17: 04 New
            +5
            So he was actively pushed to this by some island bastards.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 10 September 2013 17: 52 New
              -12
              First of all, he was pushed to this by the Treaty of Versailles and his own ambitions. In addition, if you remember, friendship with Germany, first of all, was led by some other power, in which we later lived. And only then "island bastards".
              1. tilovaykrisa
                tilovaykrisa 10 September 2013 20: 45 New
                +5
                Well, then, look at the list of companies that collaborated with Germany before and during the war, what capital was transferred there, the United States and Britain actually re-armed the Wehrmacht before the war, it was the Britons and the Franks who sold Poland and Czechoslovakia (Strange War), Chamberlain's world, and in fact betrayal of the allies and all this for the sake of "The Man with the Mustache" attacked the USSR.
              2. revnagan
                revnagan 10 September 2013 21: 41 New
                +1
                Quote: Pimply
                if you recall, friendship with Germany, first of all, was driven by some other power, in which you and I later lived.

                Ay, demagogue, ay, you sly one, dear. A classic technique of gray propaganda, when truthful facts are taught in false statements. The USSR actively cooperated with the Republic of Germany. After 1933 and the Nazis came to power with Schicklgruber, a fat cross was put on cooperation with the Reich .Yes, they also traded (we needed their technologies in aircraft construction, etc.), but there was no cooperation with the Nazi Reich. So you will overextend when the last Soviet man dies and only children of the "Pepsi generation" remain.
                1. old man54
                  old man54 11 September 2013 01: 00 New
                  -1
                  Quote: revnagan
                  Aw, demagogue, ay, cunning you

                  so what else do you expect from a Jew then? laughing
              3. old man54
                old man54 11 September 2013 00: 59 New
                0
                Quote: Pimply
                In addition, if you remember, friendship with Germany, first of all, was led by some other power, in which we later lived. And only then "island bastards".

                Leading friendship and pushing towards war is far from the same thing, it’s time to know, it’s not small already, but, "Bumpy"? The fact that his project for the revival of Germany after the 1st WW was financed by the Anglo-Saxons with the Jews, no one for anyone has already counted, from not stupid! You will get tired of listing the list of world famous bankers if you want to name all the names who financed the development of the German military-industrial complex in the 40s!
          2. Pimply
            Pimply 10 September 2013 17: 50 New
            -10
            Uncle with a mustache severely crushed trade unions, creating a virtually slave-owning state. And he was actively taking loans. Which covered war and overt robbery.
            1. tilovaykrisa
              tilovaykrisa 10 September 2013 21: 45 New
              +2
              The United States is currently much worse than Germany 30g in terms of standard of living, and that says a lot, and Uncle Adolf didn’t nationalize all his citizens and homosexuals with other husks to Congress.
            2. tilovaykrisa
              tilovaykrisa 10 September 2013 22: 02 New
              +1
              Here you have a savvy minus, the first minus on your comments from the moment of my registration. You are not a stupid person, and I respect you for not giving a damn about the rating and you are defending your position. But here our views radically diverge .- +
            3. phantom359
              phantom359 10 September 2013 23: 11 New
              0
              Quote: Pimply
              Uncle with a mustache severely crushed trade unions, creating a virtually slave-owning state. And he was actively taking loans. Which covered war and overt robbery.

              And your beloved Americans aren’t doing this? No difference is visible.
        2. nnz226
          nnz226 10 September 2013 15: 31 New
          +7
          In fact, this principle was declared in Germany in the 19 century, when Bismarck created the 1 Reich, he’s not sure that he was aloich, then he was even born.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 10 September 2013 15: 40 New
            -8
            Quote: nnz226
            In fact, this principle was declared in Germany in the 19 century, when Bismarck created the 1 Reich, he’s not sure that he was aloich, then he was even born.

            Do you prefer to follow the rules of the 19th century in the 21st century?
            1. abdrah
              abdrah 11 September 2013 09: 45 New
              0
              And to remind you how old is such a principle as "democracy"? But they still actively use it.
    4. Canep
      Canep 10 September 2013 14: 19 New
      +4
      Quote: Canep
      Women need to give birth and raise children ..... A sad story.

      I wonder who was minus (- 2)? Can speak about his vision of gender roles?
    5. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 10 September 2013 15: 54 New
      +2
      Quote: Canep
      . Sad story.


      instructive sooner. they, the women, need to be regularly given to distinguish themselves, otherwise they will move away from equal rights. In such cases, I always suggest that they defend their superiority with a shovel in their hands. but how else can ginseng show that she’s cooler if she doesn’t put a man to shame in primordially masculine work - hard physical work.
      1. Hon
        Hon 10 September 2013 17: 16 New
        0
        Quote: Geisenberg
        In such cases, I always suggest that they defend their superiority with a shovel in their hands.
        1. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg 10 September 2013 23: 58 New
          0
          Quote: Hon
          Quote: Geisenberg
          In such cases, I always suggest that they defend their superiority with a shovel in their hands.

          she is not pictured for easy and circumstances. I didn’t mean it. I have regularly maid girls that all production is kept. I am sending these to the logistics department for the position of loader. let them strengthen production there.
          1. Hon
            Hon 11 September 2013 13: 57 New
            0
            Quote: Geisenberg
            she is not pictured for easy and circumstances. I didn’t mean it. I have regularly maid girls that all production is kept. I am sending these to the logistics department for the position of loader. let them strengthen production there.

            In our country, women always botted no less than men. Transfer a man to the position of a loader manager. The result will be the same.

            PS Read the Labor Code, especially the provisions regarding the transfer of employees and their functional duties, otherwise you can run into problems with the prosecutor’s office and labor inspectorate.
    6. Hon
      Hon 10 September 2013 17: 12 New
      +4
      Quote: Canep
      It is necessary for women to give birth and to raise children, not to play war games, but for men to work, and to feed these same women while they are doing what they should do, and even protect them if necessary. Sad story.
      1. Canep
        Canep 10 September 2013 18: 39 New
        +2
        You give examples when women didn’t do their own thing during the war, this is an extreme situation, then the children worked, and sometimes fought.
        1. Hon
          Hon 10 September 2013 18: 53 New
          +1
          Quote: Canep
          You give examples when women didn’t do their own thing during the war, this is an extreme situation, then the children worked, and sometimes fought.

          So explain to these women that they were busy with their own business and their place in the kitchen while you protect them. And also explain this to the Fritz who they have on the account.
          1. cherkas.oe
            cherkas.oe 10 September 2013 22: 08 New
            +2
            Quote: Hon
            So explain to these women that they were busy with their own business and their place in the kitchen while you protect them. And also explain this to the Fritz who they have on the account.

            Woman and war, things that are incompatible and unnatural, if they meet directly one with the other, then we men have overlooked and we must answer for this.
    7. Motorist
      Motorist 21 September 2013 20: 48 New
      0
      By the way, the Americans in the photo are pretty.
  2. Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 10 September 2013 09: 20 New
    +4
    Her dream has come true! And it is worth a lot ...
  3. ded_73
    ded_73 10 September 2013 09: 21 New
    +9
    In any case, it is worthy of respect, at least for a persistent attempt to fulfill a dream.
    1. Uncle
      Uncle 10 September 2013 15: 07 New
      +3
      Quote: ded_73
      In any case, it is worthy of respect, at least for a persistent attempt to fulfill a dream.

      It is not known where such persistence was shown, judging by how quickly her career was interrupted, things did not go very well with the study of materiel and flight training.
      1. Hon
        Hon 10 September 2013 17: 21 New
        +2
        Quote: Uncle
        It is not known where such persistence was shown, judging by how quickly her career was interrupted, things did not go very well with the study of materiel and flight training.

        You’re probably the pilot yourself. How many landings do you have on the deck of an aircraft carrier?
  4. Ivan_Ivanov
    Ivan_Ivanov 10 September 2013 09: 52 New
    10
    Yes, just the brain of a man and a woman is arranged differently.

    They cannot do what we do well enough. We cannot do well enough what they do ...
    1. postman
      postman 10 September 2013 12: 15 New
      -3
      Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
      Yes, just the brain of a man and a woman is arranged differently.

      it turns out there are TWO intelligent species of Homo sapiens on planet Earth?
      !!!!
      You need URGENTLY for the Nobel Prize, hurry not yet distributed ...

      ??
      Can you beguiled with SEX DIMORPHISM?
      It (pd) is expressed by the rudimentary development of the mammary glands in men compared with women and a wider pelvis in women, wider shoulders and greater physical strength in men. In addition, adult men tend to have a stronger body and face hair.
      ======================
      /Link
      Scientific classification

      Type: Chord
      Class: Mammals
      Order: Primates
      Family: Hominids
      People: People
      Kind: Intelligent Man
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      2. dzvero
        dzvero 10 September 2013 13: 03 New
        +3
        In principle, Ivan_Ivanov is right - the brains are really different :)
        1. Ivan_Ivanov
          Ivan_Ivanov 10 September 2013 13: 08 New
          +1
          laughing

          Below, I briefly wrote what the difference is and why it is due.
        2. postman
          postman 10 September 2013 13: 21 New
          -1
          Quote: dzvero
          In principle, Ivan_Ivanov is right - the brains are really different :)

          For the Nobel .... urgently,together with ivan ivanov and this picture

          When you place such cattle .. e kratinki (a woman’s brain and only secS) - do me a favor: APPROXIMATE IT FOR YOUR MOTHER, SISTER, DAUGHTER (if any)
          AS? weak?

          Modern scientists have refused this view. Numerous data have been obtained indicating the influence of the sexual factor on the most diverse aspects of cognition and behavior: memory, emotions, visual and auditory perception, recognition and stress. A breakthrough in this field of knowledge occurred 5–10 years ago when, using bloodless imaging methods - positron emission tomography (PET) and functional magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) - it became possible to study the brain of a living person.


          No convincing evidence the connection between the anatomy of the brain and the mental abilities of people has not yet been received. Subjects of both sexes perform approximately the same standard tests for assessing the general level of intelligence in approximately the same way: in some women, in others, men achieve higher indicators. And although neuroscientists have already identified many gender differences in the structure and activity of the brain, it’s not necessary to say that they can influence success.
          1. Ivan_Ivanov
            Ivan_Ivanov 10 September 2013 13: 31 New
            +6
            Man, are you all normal?

            By your posts you directly prove my provocation, but you continue to argue with me.

            It looks like you came up with yourself that I allegedly think men are smarter. But this is not so - it is your own imagination that is so invented.

            I said that in some types of activity men achieve better results, in others - women. This is due to the development of different areas of the brain in men and women.

            Well, and how does this differ from yours: Standard tests to assess the general level of intelligence, subjects of both sexes perform approximately the same: in some higher indicators women achieve, in others men. ???
            1. postman
              postman 10 September 2013 15: 44 New
              0
              Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
              Man, are you all normal?

              Help is needed?
              Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
              With your posts you directly prove my provocation

              ProVotu.
              COMPARE:

              Quote: Postman
              No convincing evidence has yet been obtained between the anatomy of the brain and the mental abilities of humans.

              и
              Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
              Yes, just the brain of a man and a woman arranged differently.

              They can't do what we do well enough. We cannot do well enough what they do ...

              here, of course, you can debate about "enough"


              Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
              Well, and how does this differ from yours:

              Look above, highlighted in red
          2. dzvero
            dzvero 10 September 2013 15: 28 New
            +3
            it’s impossible to joke ...
            by the way, where about "cupcake" - a caricature of a man's brain :)
            sexual dimorphism, in addition to primary and secondary signs, includes behavioral characteristics. those. differences in the functioning of the nervous system and brain, where hormonal status also plays an important role. because of these differences, it turns out that women and men react differently in the same situation, despite the same intellectual level. biology, what to do ...
            I don’t think women are second-rate people, on the contrary :) and I don’t think that they are not able to be equal or surpass men in any field. History knows many examples, including this article. it’s just that we, as a species, are still not too far removed from animals and we hope too early that we will remove the differences between the sexes laid down by nature. Yes and whether it is necessary at all :)
          3. Avenger711
            Avenger711 10 September 2013 19: 56 New
            +1
            But what do common intelligence tests have in common and, for example, the ability to lead a car from an accident? A man will do, a woman screeches. Yes, it’s corny to throw a stone. It is a fact, but the girls, in general, have no idea how to do it right, to fly far and to the target, stand on the chains and open their hand, but they don’t know the powerful right swing, which a 4-year-old boy will do without training.

            Male athletes of average lousiness easily defeat female champions, not only in strength exercises, but even in chess.
            1. postman
              postman 11 September 2013 04: 02 New
              0
              Quote: Avenger711
              The fact is, but the girls, in general, have no idea how to do it right, so that they fly far and into the target

              This is nonsense. You just had little contact with women, and as a child with girls. I assure you that they shoot perfectly from both onions and slingshots.
              about a squeal and a car - stupidity: I can cite from my own experience TOLPU men full of sheep, and women (several), who on the Ring Road in ice, on the summer, decently paired with an emergency

              Quote: Avenger711
              Male athletes of average lousiness easily defeat female champions,

              this is doubly nonsense. repetition (already wrote) - read
              in 1924, the American Bison raised the world record in high jumps to 2,02 m, and the Bulgarian Andonova jumped 1984 m in 2,07. The legendary Nurmi ran in Helsinki 1924 m in 1500 for 3.52,6 s; with this time, Tatyana Kazankina (Soviet Union) in 1980 would have left him behind - she ran this distance in 3.52.5 s. The world record in integrated swimming for men in 1960 was 5.04.5 s. In 1982, he was surpassed by the swimmer from the GDR Peter Shurich, swimming in 4.36,10 s

              You are all considering absolute indicators. SHOULD BE CONSIDERED SPECIFIC (RECORD / per body weight (or height)

              Quote: Avenger711
              but even in chess.

              nonsense in triple
              the strongest modern chess player on the planet (rated since the mid-1990s) Judit Polgar participates only in men's competitions, even in matches for the women's championship, she never played.

              Vera Menchik | Lyudmila Rudenko | Elizaveta Bykova | Olga Rubtsova | Nona Gaprindashvili | Maya Chiburdanidze Se Jun | Susan Polgar | Zhu Chen | Antoaneta Stefanova | Xu Yuhua | Alexandra Kosteniuk | Hou Yifan | Anna Ushenina
            2. postman
              postman 11 September 2013 04: 04 New
              0
              Quote: Avenger711
              The fact is, but the girls, in general, have no idea how to do it right, so that they fly far and into the target

              This is nonsense. You just had little contact with women, and as a child with girls. I assure you that they shoot perfectly from both onions and slingshots.
              about a squeal and a car - stupidity: I can cite from my own experience TOLPU men full of sheep, and women (several), who on the Ring Road in ice, on the summer, decently paired with an emergency

              Quote: Avenger711
              Male athletes of average lousiness easily defeat female champions,

              this is doubly nonsense. repetition (already wrote) - read
              in 1924, the American Bison raised the world record in high jumps to 2,02 m, and the Bulgarian Andonova jumped 1984 m in 2,07. The legendary Nurmi ran in Helsinki 1924 m in 1500 for 3.52,6 s; with this time, Tatyana Kazankina (Soviet Union) in 1980 would have left him behind - she ran this distance in 3.52.5 s. The world record in integrated swimming for men in 1960 was 5.04.5 s. In 1982, he was surpassed by the swimmer from the GDR Peter Shurich, swimming in 4.36,10 s

              You are all considering absolute indicators. SHOULD BE CONSIDERED SPECIFIC (RECORD / per body weight (or height)

              Quote: Avenger711
              but even in chess.

              nonsense in triple
              the strongest modern chess player on the planet (rated since the mid-1990s) Judit Polgar participates only in men's competitions, even in matches for the women's championship, she never played.

              Vera Menchik | Lyudmila Rudenko | Elizaveta Bykova | Olga Rubtsova | Nona Gaprindashvili | Maya Chiburdanidze Se Jun | Susan Polgar | Zhu Chen | Antoaneta Stefanova | Xu Yuhua | Alexandra Kosteniuk | Hou Yifan | Anna Ushenina
        3. KG_patriot_last
          KG_patriot_last 10 September 2013 16: 21 New
          -1
          Your picture made it clear to me why when I looked at the penultimate photo of 4 pilots, I immediately had a fantasy about sekis ...

          In general, ladies, the war does not have a female face ...
      3. novobranets
        novobranets 10 September 2013 18: 18 New
        +2
        And you are in vain ironic. The brain of a man and a woman can be distinguished, even externally. Of course on the pathologist’s table and by a specialist. Don't be told by dinner.
      4. Avenger711
        Avenger711 10 September 2013 19: 49 New
        +1
        A different device of the brain is part of sexual dimorphism, which is quite obvious, the firmware should be for those tasks that the individual will perform. For example, men simply don’t have a department responsible for speech, which is why they have a typical mate through a word that they don’t have time to choose words. Even if the hardware processing is the same, different m / b algorithms, women have a wider field of view, a man sees in a narrow sector, but estimates the distance by an order of magnitude better.
        1. postman
          postman 11 September 2013 04: 10 New
          0
          Quote: Avenger711
          The different structure of the brain is part of sexual dimorphism,

          Seriously?
          but everyone, EXCEPT YOU, is considered sexual dimorphism:
          The size. In mammals and many species of birds, males are larger and heavier than females. In amphibians and arthropods, females are usually larger than males.
          Hairline. Beard in men, mane in lions or baboons.
          Coloring. The color of plumage in birds, especially in ducks.
          Leather. Characteristic growths or additional formations, such as deer antlers, scallops in roosters.
          Teeth.. Tusks in males of the Indian elephant, larger fangs in males of walruses and wild boars.
          WHERE MOZHG ??? Brain where am I asking you?
          You (joke)
          Huh?
          1. Santa Fe
            11 September 2013 04: 25 New
            0
            Quote: Postman
            In amphibians and arthropods, females are usually larger than males.

            this, incidentally, is easily explained from the point of view of evolution - why females of all lower animals are larger (stronger / healthier) males

            enormous fertility - out of 100 million eggs, 10 survive ... in such conditions, you can not care and protect the offspring at all, it’s important to give birth to caviar
      5. revnagan
        revnagan 10 September 2013 21: 46 New
        0
        Quote: Postman
        it turns out there are TWO intelligent species of Homo sapiens on planet Earth?

        I recommend reading A. Nikonov "The end of feminism. How a woman differs from a man." There are a lot of interesting things.
        1. postman
          postman 11 September 2013 03: 47 New
          +1
          Quote: revnagan
          I recommend reading A. Nikonov

          What for?
          1. For me, a woman - IN ANY EVENT OF MAN, I always remember my grandmother (raised), mother, sisters, wife, daughter.
          THE REVERSE MAY ONLY APPROVE THE SELF-LOVED DEGENERATE.
          2. I have books with such covers

          BASIC - I do not read
          3. What will I find there?
          An impressive picture of the degradation of the Western educational system, the decline in the general intellectual level and the “political correctness” brought to senility, drawn in the first part of the book, helps to understand on what basis various socio-psychological anomalies arise and violently blossom.
          A sort of shit writes, who is not lazy .... degradation, something is not visible
          4. Yes, and Alexander Petrovich Nikonov = I DO NOT LIKE!
          4.1. his mug:

          (note: who can handle more load? "weak woman" or this male? Huh?)
          4.2.with Valery Novodvorskaya he is close friends, but I can not stand her
          4.3. This is also his little book:

          4.4. About the newspaper "mother" is it necessary?
          1. revnagan
            revnagan 11 September 2013 11: 47 New
            +1
            Quote: Postman
            I have books with such covers. PRINCIPLE - I do not read

            Your logic is strange - I don’t read what is written there, because the cover is SUCH. Believe me, this is not a lady’s novel, interesting reasoning. But in order to challenge them, you must first get acquainted with them. This time. Second, your posts about women I read, I agree with many statements, I never called them "women", but I think (and life experience has shown) that there are still male and female roles in this life. And it's better when everyone fulfills his own. Yes, there are certain situations in which certain women, under certain conditions, can do a man's job better than a man. Individual, and not any and each. But, as life shows again, men do the work for men, and women do the work for women. And according to the author -we are not discussing his appearance at a beauty contest. As they say, do not judge rashly. This is an intelligent, cunning journalist, cosmopolitan, loving the west. But in this book he gives very interesting facts.
            1. postman
              postman 11 September 2013 13: 17 New
              0
              Quote: revnagan
              Your logic is strange, I don’t read what is written there, since the cover is SUCH.

              You would know how much debris I have, not where to put it.
              Quote: revnagan
              But in order to challenge them, you must first become familiar with them

              I'll try how time will be, but it’s too painful for the author with a shower
              Quote: revnagan
              And it's better when everyone fulfills his

              Initially, the argument is not about that!
              It got to the point that some claim: this is another homo, this homo, as it were, of the 2nd grade, Kinder-kyuhe-kirche
              Quote: revnagan
              But in this book he gives very interesting facts.

              Well, as a refutation I will quote Bushkov (History of Humanity, or something like that), the same "facts" are interesting ... but these are not facts
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 10 September 2013 14: 51 New
      -9
      Female pilot of the US Navy. Aircraft carrier USS "Abraham Lincoln"
      1. Zeus
        Zeus 10 September 2013 16: 15 New
        10
        Not a single pilot. From left to right actors: Jamie Foxx, Jessica Beale, Josh Lucas. Movie Stealth.
        1. postman
          postman 10 September 2013 17: 40 New
          +1
          Quote: Zeus
          Not a single pilot.

          It's right...
          Captain Jamie Jamieson

          (Oh my God dear exclusive Raptor, on whom and to the peasant not everyone who is licensed will be trusted to fly)

          Unknown Conqueror of Air Superiority - US Air Force F-16 Fighter Pilot

          On Friday (April 2013), the Chinese Air Force began the 10th enrollment of 40 female cadets as pilots.
          The Air Force will choose from healthy girls graduating from schools aged 16-19 years with a height of 1,65-1,75 m and weighing at least 46 kg, as well as with good eyesight, the statement of the commission for the selection of pilots of the PLA Air Force .
          The PLA conducted the first recruitment of female pilots in 1951. In the last recruitment in 2008, 30 cadets were accepted, as a result of which their total number was 543 women.



          The first female commander of the US Navy missile cruiser Cowpens, Captain Holly Graf (removed from command of the ship for organizing a race Cowpens with the destroyer John McCain, which almost ended in tragedy. )
          1. Avenger711
            Avenger711 10 September 2013 20: 01 New
            +1
            And how many female male pilots? Here the ratio is not even 10: 1, but thousands of men to one. Even in non-extreme professions like the driver of women, units. Female programmer? Yes, I should somehow visit the esteemed Elena, who was writing the code, even when I had no idea about computers, but she also has a way of thinking that is generally typical of men. And men both dominated and dominate, well, these are our computers, chess, cars, and almost any form of articulation that are not interesting to women.
          2. phantom359
            phantom359 10 September 2013 23: 15 New
            0
            Quote: Postman
            Quote: Zeus
            Not a single pilot.

            It's right...
            Captain Jamie Jamieson

            (Oh my God dear exclusive Raptor, on whom and to the peasant not everyone who is licensed will be trusted to fly)

            Unknown Conqueror of Air Superiority - US Air Force F-16 Fighter Pilot

            On Friday (April 2013), the Chinese Air Force began the 10th enrollment of 40 female cadets as pilots.
            The Air Force will choose from healthy girls graduating from schools aged 16-19 years with a height of 1,65-1,75 m and weighing at least 46 kg, as well as with good eyesight, the statement of the commission for the selection of pilots of the PLA Air Force .
            The PLA conducted the first recruitment of female pilots in 1951. In the last recruitment in 2008, 30 cadets were accepted, as a result of which their total number was 543 women.



            The first female commander of the US Navy missile cruiser Cowpens, Captain Holly Graf (removed from command of the ship for organizing a race Cowpens with the destroyer John McCain, which almost ended in tragedy. )

            Well, erysipelas. It seems to me that such humanoids are going to the army to assert themselves, because no one needs
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 10 September 2013 17: 55 New
          -4
          That's right. The photo is not the same. However, I have quoted others below.
      2. phantom359
        phantom359 10 September 2013 23: 14 New
        +1
        Quote: Pimply
        Female pilot of the US Navy. Aircraft carrier USS "Abraham Lincoln"

        Yes, you are a lie, dear. Oh ugly, someone recently called himself an analyst)))
    3. Pimply
      Pimply 10 September 2013 14: 54 New
      -1
      First Lieutenant Carey Lynn Schubert. It went down in history as the first female F18 pilot in the United States Marine Corps.
  5. dizelniy
    dizelniy 10 September 2013 10: 18 New
    +1
    These are the people who are moving forward, even at such a price.
    1. revnagan
      revnagan 10 September 2013 21: 50 New
      0
      Quote: dizelniy
      These are the people who are moving forward, even at such a price.

      I agree to such a price for the progress on the part of amers. There are more women pilots and more expensive planes for them.
  6. Stiletto
    Stiletto 10 September 2013 10: 40 New
    +9
    This woman is never the heroine of what you want to do with me.
    1. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 10 September 2013 10: 50 New
      +7
      I agree. She went about her desires, her passions. Her actions were their result.

      A hero is one who does for others, not caring about his own gain, about his own desires.
      1. postman
        postman 10 September 2013 13: 04 New
        +1
        Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
        She went about her desires

        -Manage a beautiful airliner, every day soar into the sky, see clouds that never do not be the same, be in different countries - hundreds of boys dream about the profession of a pilot, and they don’t leave many adults desire become pilots

        -Hermann Graf-made about 830 sorties, gaining 212 air victories:
        “We must learn to think in a new way. Now I am on the side of the Russians. And, in fact, I want to live with the Russians ... I am happy to be their captive. I know that everything I did before was wrong and Now I have only one desire - to fly in the Soviet Air Force. "

        Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
        their passions

        Passion is a strong, persistent, dominant over others, a person’s feeling characterized by enthusiasm or a strong attraction to to the object(subject or subject) of passion.

        Hannah Reich

        The first woman in the world is a helicopter pilot. Many called her “the greatest pilot of the twentieth century,” namely a pilot, not a pilot. Because of its flying skills, passion for flying, dedication to the common cause she had very few equal even among men. World history knows few names of test pilots, but it is this name that she learned well. Many of the flying news of the Third Reich, ahead of time, but did not affect the outcome of the war, were tested by Hannah Reich.


        But special passion Sattarova to test flights to the limit
        modes, practicing special cases noted the head of the State ....

        He was demoted due to violation of the piloting instructions for the Tu-134 aircraft, manifested in the unauthorized execution of the aerobatics - “barrel”. This happened just before the end of training at the CPC.

        / Recently, Nail Sharipovich Sattarov celebrated a half-century anniversary. The service is nearing completion, flight work, probably, too. But everyone, whoever I speak to, is convinced that the pension will not excommunicate Sattarov from aviation. And he himself cannot imagine himself with a fishing rod on the banks of Mother Volga at a time when others are flying. /

        =========================
        You try to satisfy the "passion" and "disgusting desire" ... at least here:


        “ABN Aero”
        Moscow, 117393, st. Architect Vlasov, 49, 6th floor, office 608
        Classes are held in classroom 112 on the ground floor of the building
        Contact Information:
        +7 (495) 784-7447, +7 (495) 761-2294, + 7-916-925-5672,
        [email protected]
        or
        Aerobatic group "Rus" Vyazemsky Aviation Training Center
        Address: 215107, Smolensk region, s. Vyazma-Bryansk, Aviation Street, 1
        +7 (48131) 2-20-27, 2-24-09 [email protected]; [email protected]






        I assure you. IMPRESSIBLE ... I tried on the Yak-52
        1. Ivan_Ivanov
          Ivan_Ivanov 10 September 2013 13: 17 New
          +4
          Do not confuse the concept.
          “Passion” and “Enthusiasm”, “Desire” and “Dream” are different things.

          Stress kills the rational, makes you not pay attention to objective dangers, does not allow you to really assess your capabilities. Because in the first place is your own "I", your own passions and desires.

          This is sometimes beneficial. But not in the case of piloting an airplane.

          Therefore, I do not consider her a hero. But I consider Solnechnikov.
          1. postman
            postman 10 September 2013 13: 57 New
            0
            Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
            Do not confuse the concept.

            1. I do not confuse, do not invent - EVERYTHING is taken from the originals of the pilot’s memoirs (s, ok) or the memoirs of their friends, acquaintances- ORIGINAL SAVED
            2.To judge what you do not understand, look at least in the explanatory dictionary or wiki
            Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
            these are different things.

            You are always carried to hormones and sex drive, i.e. that between your big toes clearly dominates your awareness of the world (age or hunger?)
            Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
            Straight kills rational, makes you ignore objective dangers

            Aristotle (384-322 BC) defined passion as one of the leading motives for human behavior. In particular, he wrote: “That, by virtue of which we commit this or that act, is aspiration; aspiration is of three kinds: longing, impulse, desire. ”
            I. Kant, B. Spinoza: smoral trust can act as a driving force of great deeds, exploits, discoveries.
            Heinz Heckhausen “Motivation and activity”
            Nikolai Aleksandrovich Laisha, a psychotherapist at Polyclinic No. 2 of Mogilev:
            Passion as a leading category in the psychology of motivation and the main motive for human behavior

            You, along with a picture about the brain, try to apply for the Nobel Prize in psychology, pedagogy, and medicine - in a set

            Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
            But not in the case of piloting an airplane.

            Did you pilot a plane? Or at least jumped with a parachute?
            I brought "about passion" Nail Sharipovich Sattarova

            Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
            Therefore, I do not consider her a hero.

            Your right ... Try at least (you are a man) _ to obtain a pilot’s license (I’m not talking about the Navy)
            Kara spears hultgreen
            first ever US Navy (and PEACE most likelya woman qualified as a fighter pilot
            1. Ivan_Ivanov
              Ivan_Ivanov 10 September 2013 14: 14 New
              +2
              Aristotle (384-322 BC) ...

              Well, where is this Aristotle now? ...
              Passion is certainly present in human life. The question is what place it takes. If the dominant - in this case, the scribe for the pilot is only a matter of time.
              1. postman
                postman 10 September 2013 15: 06 New
                0
                Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
                Well, where is this Aristotle now? ...

                Do you yourself understand what you wrote?
                at least here:
                http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B5%D0
                % BB% D1% 8C
                why obstruction only Aristotle? Kant with Spinoza do not want to dump history.
                I can’t wait, Ivan_Ivanov and his influence on the history of Mankind.
            2. Avenger711
              Avenger711 11 September 2013 00: 07 New
              0
              And what do you think, if you inject female sex hormones, then how will your behavior change?
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 10 September 2013 14: 55 New
        -1
        Would you write this about some of our pilot who died in a crash?
        1. postman
          postman 10 September 2013 15: 39 New
          +1
          Quote: Pimply
          Would you write this about some of our pilot who died in a crash?

          Yes, you SHO ....
          For such sedition + figs get, instantly spiders are formed.
  7. Santa Fe
    10 September 2013 11: 25 New
    0
    And here is Carey Lorenz

  8. _KM_
    _KM_ 10 September 2013 11: 40 New
    +7
    A great example of female blackmail and manipulation - it was reasonably written off from flight work, so the accusation of sexism and so on appeared. Ugh. :(
  9. PSih2097
    PSih2097 10 September 2013 11: 41 New
    +3
    As for the precedent - women at the helm of a carrier-based fighter ... Well, feminists have achieved equality with men. Now let gay men fight for equality with women.
    laughing good
    1. Canep
      Canep 10 September 2013 11: 46 New
      +3
      Giving birth to gays? wassat wassat wassat
  10. _KM_
    _KM_ 10 September 2013 12: 00 New
    +3
    Yes, equality did not work out. You can’t deceive nature - a woman at the helm of an airplane loses to a man. Although if in the USA women will control all combat aircraft, then it’s better for us. am
    1. postman
      postman 10 September 2013 12: 30 New
      -3
      Quote: _KM_
      Yes, equality did not work out. You can’t deceive nature - a woman at the helm of an airplane loses men

      And in what? Well, by what parameters does it lose?
      Due to brain weight (1400g vs 1300g)?
      Due to bone weight (4 kg vs 3 kg)?
      Due to growth (m. 10 cm higher on average)?
      Due to the volume of the mammary glands (I won’t give the data .... adults know)?
      Because of something that’s m / y with your big toes?
      Due to chromosomes (XU vs XX)?
      Due to physical stamina?
      (In 1924, the American Bison raised the world record in high jumps to 2,02 m, and the Bulgarian Andonova jumped 1984 m in 2,07. The legendary Nurmi ran 1924 m in Helsinki in 1500 for 3.52,6 s ; with this time, Tatyana Kazankina (Soviet Union) in 1980 would have left him behind - she ran this distance in 3.52.5 s. The world record in combined swimming for men in 1960 was 5.04.5 s. In 1982 he was surpassed by the swimmer from the GDR Peter Shurich, swimming in 4.36,10 s.).
      ??

      Herbert Landsell, Maryland Research Center (USA), found that men and women with injuries of the same parts of the brain had different symptoms. Landsel’s conclusion, now generally accepted, was that that women's speech and spatial skills are controlled by the centers of both cerebral hemispheres, while in men it is more and more strictly defined: the right hemisphere is for analyzing space, the left is for verbal activity.
      -Dual Core with HT and just Stump?

      Canadian psychologist Doreen Kimura:
      women perceive the emotional component of the images, if it falls into both the left (through the right eye) and the right (through the left) hemisphere. Men are capable of emotional reactions. only if the information came to them in the right hemisphere.

      When people write, read, talk, the left hemisphere is used. It also controls consistent, logical thinking. The right hemisphere processes visual information, determines the ratio of objects in space, their size and shape, and is also responsible for abstract thinking and some of our emotional reactions.
      1. Ivan_Ivanov
        Ivan_Ivanov 10 September 2013 13: 06 New
        +3
        The fact that the brain, the development of its centers responsible for certain functions is different in men and women is not a secret.

        In principle, it is slightly different for all people, but for men and women it is decisive. Although there are exceptions.

        This is due to the evolution and functions that men and women have performed for thousands of years.

        A man is a hunter. He must concentrate on "one point", tracking down prey. I must calculate (which comes to automatism) the possible scenarios for the development of the situation in a fight with an enemy, or another predator. As a result, some brain lobes develop more actively.
        A woman, while fulfilling her functions, should still monitor the offspring (so that the tiger does not carry away, so that it does not fall and break its neck). As a result, peripheral vision develops, and concentration on one action does not develop.

        As a result, men are better drivers, pilots; women can easily do several things at once, but it’s more difficult for them to focus on one thing.
        1. postman
          postman 10 September 2013 13: 42 New
          0
          Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
          A man is a hunter. He must concentrate on "one point", tracking down prey. I must calculate (which comes to automatism) the possible scenarios for the development of the situation in a fight with an enemy, or another predator. As a result, some brain lobes develop more actively.

          Matriarchy (J.-F. Lafito, I. Ya. Bachofen and L.G. Morgan) and Amazons:
          In 1998, in the Ostrogozhsky District of the Voronezh Region, six Amazon graves were discovered. This was reported by MK newspaper on 11.11.1998/20/25: “As the institute’s experts established, these were women XNUMX–XNUMX years old, of average height and modern physique. In their graves, in addition to weapons, they found gold earrings, spindle details, a bone crest depicting a cheetah and in almost every tomb there is a bronze or silver mirror. ”
          Currently, matriarchal societies with a relative dominance of women in some areas of public life have survived only in some areas of Tibet, South and Southeast Asia (for example, the Ranathari people living in India and Nepal, Minangkabau, Khashi and Garo) and Africa (Ashanti, Yoruba and others), where, along with a relatively high female status, polyandry is also typical, as well as the matriarchal way of life was preserved among some peoples of Micronesia.

          Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
          it’s more difficult for them to focus on one thing.

          try flyingat least on the simulator..... multi-vector tasks and a giant stream of multifactor incoming information is GUARANTEED
          1. Ivan_Ivanov
            Ivan_Ivanov 10 September 2013 13: 49 New
            +2
            There is only one task - control of an airplane / car. There are many factors in this task. A man takes into account those that are related to the solution of this problem. He cannot simultaneously drive a car and paint his lips lol , but a woman can.

            It's hard for me to argue with you. You deny the obvious things. Go out and see: who is better at driving cars - men, or women?
            1. postman
              postman 10 September 2013 14: 08 New
              +1
              Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
              He cannot simultaneously drive a car and paint his lips

              my experience is 23 years, categories are everything. I went almost everywhere (and with left-hand drive)
              Up to 40 ka he could calmly on a motorway in Germany at a good speed: write, send SMS, smoke, steer, sometimes read mail ..
              Now in St. Petersburg I can while driving (traffic jams) - read topwar
              lips of course did not try to paint winked There was no need, but to get a mobile phone slid from the passenger seat xs where, or a convulsive search for a burning cigarette that slipped from your fingers = easily.
              I AM GENERALLY MOVING without talking on a cell phone-I can not imagine
              So what? I am a woman? Do not tell me, you won’t even find a hint of female PP

              Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
              Go out and see: who is better at driving cars - men, or women?

              And then I do not happen ... see above.
              trust me:
              - my wife and my daughter drive a car better than you, and better than most men
              - Riding with my son recently: counting deer. On the 12 km section, 17 were discovered - and all the men
              -I will not deny- there are chicken on the road
              -to rebuttal your "argument"
              The insurance company "ASKA" analyzed the statistics of accidents by the names of policyholders and compiled a rating of the most "accidentally dangerous names."

              «Men applied for insurance compensation 8 times more often than the fair half. Most often, victims with the name Alexander applied for payments. The second and third places belong to Sergey and Vladimir. The five most frequent calls also included the owners of the names Andrei and Igor. The milestone of 100 insurance events was crossed by 23 names of policyholders, ”Dmitry Kalishevsky, head of the press service, told Vzglyad.
              1. Ivan_Ivanov
                Ivan_Ivanov 10 September 2013 14: 16 New
                +5
                - my wife and my daughter drive a car better than you,

                I'm sorry, but I'm tired of refuting your unsubstantiated guesses and assumptions ... smile hi
                1. postman
                  postman 10 September 2013 15: 09 New
                  0
                  Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
                  I'm sorry, but I'm tired of refuting your

                  -Tired, rest: at least in VOT, what kind of thread Maroussia for MS-1 will cut you a nut
                  -You have not denied anything, only sheer verbiage.
                  -I have no "guesses" and "my" guesses "- ONLY FACTS


                  Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
                  your baseless guesses and assumptions.


                  about cars:
                  I would like to see you on the Scandinavian track on Friday from 15:00 to 23:00 when driving from Finland, or on Sunday, on the contrary, when I meet you, a herd of impudent deer (mostly men) rushes at the MEETING, with a groan - to the dacha , or in Finland, when "black ice" settled on the asphalt, or in Paris, at rush hour, inside rue de Paris

                  ======
                  Test run?
                  Where?
                  Peter or Odessa?
                  1. Avenger711
                    Avenger711 11 September 2013 00: 23 New
                    0
                    My practical experience of fighting in games against women is very sad for them. Although MMORPG came across sensible specimens, which is typical, all magicians. Although it can, I’m just friends with magicians always willingly friends (whoever plays will understand).
          2. Avenger711
            Avenger711 11 September 2013 00: 20 New
            0
            Matriarchal societies are unknown to science. In fact, if it weren’t for se_x, then men and women would have nothing to do with each other, so if society is not patriarchal, then men and women with children live separately. So they live in Micronesia, often in the Amazon. Patriarchy arises when a peasant literally has to plow a plow, and not fish or hunt, while a woman effortlessly loosens the ground with a hoe.
      2. biglow
        biglow 10 September 2013 13: 29 New
        +1
        women worse endure long overloads and they need more time to recover. You can’t go anywhere against physiology
        1. postman
          postman 10 September 2013 14: 13 New
          +2
          Quote: biglow
          women endure longer overloads worse and they need more time to recover

          You are mistaken / mistaken

          XII Conference on Space Biology and Aerospace Medicine
          report "Tolerance of congestion + Gx by female astronauts in primary and repeated space flights"
          The IBMP specialists analyzed the tolerance of overloads in four women in six space missions lasting 8, 8, 10, 12, 16 and 169 days. Two women participated twice in short-term (less than a month) flights. In the Soyuz spacecraft launch orbit section, the overloads did not exceed 3.7 units; in the spacecraft launch site, they ranged from 3.3 to 4.9 units. In flights lasting 16 and 169 days, an anti-loading suit was used on the descent site. The overload tolerance was compared between women and men on flights of similar duration.


          Women in general, no worse than men, endure the "hardships and hardships" of space flight.

          If the severity of physiological reactions in women compared to men did not significantly differ in the area of ​​launching spacecraft into orbit, then in the area of ​​descent from orbit to Earth, the severity of physiological reactions in women was, as a rule, greater than in men, which, apparently, due to the psychoemotional characteristics of the female body.
          1. Simple
            Simple 11 September 2013 01: 27 New
            0
            If more precisely the structure of internal organs.
      3. Avenger711
        Avenger711 11 September 2013 00: 17 New
        0
        In all respects, damn it. You yourself don’t see that a woman exceeded a man’s record in only 60 years? During this time, sports medicine has stepped in such a way that the achievements of the 20s have long been no longer at the world level. Direct competitions of ordinary male athletes with women champions have been held repeatedly and there is no reason to cancel the division in sports by gender, men win easily. Moreover, the examination of gender in itself is not so simple, and cases where a hermaphrodite was exhibited instead of a woman, having superiority due to high ur. sex hormones are not so rare.

        You are now comparing the devil knows that, you can also compare 2 computers by the dimensions of the system unit and the number of connectors and not see the difference, although one has a powerful video card, and the other has a chipset, but there is an additional screw.

        Everyone has known about the hemisphere for a long time, and you yourself now write that men and women work differently.
  11. Hug
    Hug 10 September 2013 12: 20 New
    +1
    Hats off to her!
  12. abdrah
    abdrah 10 September 2013 13: 04 New
    0
    "I dreamed of repeating the exploits of the heroes of my childhood - Gagarin, Armstrong, Sally Ride ..." - it seems to me that at the expense of Gagarin Yu.A. the author bent, well, or he could not have been in the first place with the American woman, unfortunately ...
    1. postman
      postman 10 September 2013 14: 20 New
      +2
      Quote: abdrah
      it seems to me that at the expense of Gagarin Yu.A. the author bent


      New York. Press 1961 America was waiting for this event. Major American scientists predicted: the Russians are about to send a man into space, they have everything ready. "When the Soviets make the whole world gasp with study and delight, they will win a colossal, incomparable victory: they will finally capture the hearts and minds of millions of people around the world and make them believe that Soviet science and technology, and most important - the socialist system promises to mankind unprecedented horizons both on earth and in the outer space of the Universe, "wrote the Denver Post newspaper, published in Colorado.
      And then, on April 12, at 2:01 am (New York time), teletypes started pounding. "Moscow ... Satellite" Vostok "... Yuri Alekseevich Gagarin ... Soviet man in space! .."
      A minute later, all US radio stations interrupted their programs to communicate this amazing news. Some radio stations repeated the message from Moscow every 10 minutes. Newspaper editions began an urgent rearrangement of the front pages.
      "A startling new triumph for the Russians in their competition with the United States in space," the Associated Press reported.
      .......
      2012
      -USA: in the city of Garden City, near New York, a bronze bust of an astronaut was installed, also by A. Leonov. The sculpture is located next to the United States Museum of Cosmonautics and Aviation.

      -USA: The memory of the first person in space, Yuri Gagarin, is immortalized again. This time, a bronze statue of a Soviet cosmonaut was installed in the city of Houston (Texas)., where during the `` race '' for primacy in space between the USSR and the United States was the headquarters of NASA.

      -UK: 2011: a monument to the pilot-cosmonaut erected in London, on Mall Boulevard, where in 1961 there was a meeting of Yuri Gagarin with Queen Elizabeth II. The statue is a copy of the monument to the astronaut in Lyubertsy opposite the school number 10, of which he was a graduate.
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 10 September 2013 15: 11 New
      -1
      Rather, Shepard, he was a big hero in the States.
      1. postman
        postman 10 September 2013 15: 29 New
        +1
        Quote: Pimply
        he was a big hero in the States.

        Well, I think Gagarin is more authoritative.

        did Elizabeth have it? no. I'm not talking about Fidel at all (he probably never heard of him) belay



        In addition to the Volga (number 78-78 MOD), Yuri Alekseevich donated to him by the French Embassy in 1965 Natra-Bonnet Jet VS sky blue.



        What about Shepard? Chevrolet Corvette C1 1962 ... a national manufacturer ... and even a 2-speed (only) automatic ...




        Our SAME WILL BE SOMETIMES (for women, this is important)



  13. sashka
    sashka 10 September 2013 13: 28 New
    +2
    No one has yet canceled the blonde behind the wheel .. This is not a woman’s business. A man will die simply as a carrier of sperm with certain genes. And Woman as the carrier of Man .. After the death of a woman, the world is changing. Nationality does not matter.
    1. postman
      postman 10 September 2013 14: 50 New
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      Quote: Sasha
      No one has yet canceled the blonde behind the wheel .. This is not a woman’s business.

      this does not apply to other natural "not dyed" wink
      (You confuse women in general and other nonsense, imitating the ruble glamor)
      Mary Mart Desange, pseudonym Camille du Gass. In 1901, the Paris-Berlin race. The pilot's navigator was her husband, Jules Crespin. Camille became the only woman out of 154 participants, and nevertheless was able to finish the 32nd.

      Czech Elishka Yunkova (Alzhbeta Pospishilova)
      1924: The Bugatti Type 30 won the Lachotin-Tremosne race, becoming a national celebrity. In 1925 she won again, and soon already competed with the best pilots of that time.

      In the 1950-s one of the first roles in endurance racing and rally was played by the Belgian pilotess Gilbert Tiron. In 1956, she took second places in her class at the Rally Monte Carlo and Mille Millier, and then won the overall standings of the first Corsica Rally at Renault Dauphine. In 1957, she became second in the American 12 Hours of Daytona race.


      Italian Maria Teresa de Phillipis (on the Maserati 250F at the Belgian Grand Prix in Spa (Formel 1)and not only made her way to the starting grid, but also managed to finish the race, taking 10th place

      In the 1960s, Pat Moss, the sister of Formula 1 racer Stirling Moss, won a number of victories in rally races from 1960 to 1962. In 1963, she married the famous Swedish rally driver Eric Carlson, who played for SAAB, and also joined the Swedish team.

      Lella Lombardi (Maria Grazia) in 1971, winning the Mexican Formula Ford, she received sponsorship from Shell and managed to go to the start of Formula 3 and Formula 5000, and then try her hand at the World Cup.
      The Spanish Grand Prix in the Montjuic Park of Formula 1 1976 at March 741 ... took the sixth position. The race was never resumed., and since the pilots have completed less than 2/3 of the distance
      1. postman
        postman 10 September 2013 14: 57 New
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        this does not apply to natural and other "not dyed" №2
        On the left is Tara Rinne. On right - Taru rinne, Mika Salo and Mika Hakkinen on the podium of the 1980 karting championship of Finland.

        young Finu Tara Rinne in childhood competed on equal terms with future Formula 1 pilots Mika Salo and Mika Hakkinen in karting. She won the 1979 and 1982 championships, and Hakkinen only once, in 1981, managed to get ahead Tara at the end of the season.

        Michelle Mouton ... on FIAT 131 Abarth, winning the 1978 Tour de France in 1981 Michelle spotted an Audi rally team, putting the Frenchwoman behind the wheel of her A1 Quattro in the WRC championship /// and in the same year she won the first victory for Audi, herself and all women in the World Cup - at the San Remo Rally.
        In 1982, the incredible happened - Michelle Mouton fought for the world title! She won the Rally of Portugal, the Rally of the Acropolis and the Rally of Brazil, leading the championship.

        In 1984, Michelle took part in the conquest of the famous peak of Pikes Peak in Colorado, USA. Mouton, who spoke on the well-known Audi A1 Quattro, managed from the first attempt to win the absolute standings of the prestigious race.

        Shirley Maldoni - The First Lady of Drag Racing. In 1977, Shirley became the first woman to win the Top Fuel, the most prestigious National Hot Rod Association (NHRA) category.
        Female pilot one of the best racers on the planet without any reservations and discounts on gender.


        Danica Patrick (NASCAR and Indycar, in Formula Ford Ford Patrick took second place, Danica Patrick's victory in the IRL race in 2008) offered to speak in Formula1, which promised the pilotess much greater fees and worldwide fame. However, Patrick did not make contact with the World Cup teams. Not the last role in its decision was played by the owner of the Andretti Autosport team, for which Patrick, Michael Andretti stands.


        1. postman
          postman 10 September 2013 15: 01 New
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          this does not apply to natural and other "not dyed" №3
          In the German DTM bodywork championship in the nineties of the last century, Helen Lor performed. And in 1992, she became the first (and so far the only) woman, winning the race in this prestigious series. Until now, Helen Lohr is considered the best pilot in the history of German motorsport.
          Later, Lor went into truck racing, where at the stage in Misano she managed to take third place..

          And in March this year, the Swiss team Matech Competition announced its intention to exhibit all-female crew for the famous 24-hour Le Mans marathon. It immediately included three Swiss pilots - Natasha Gashan, Cindy Alleman and Rachel Frey.


          /////////// This is just a sample.
          1. Santa Fe
            10 September 2013 16: 36 New
            +2
            Motorsport and aviation - everything is quite explainable here: to sit in the cockpit of a beautiful supercar, buckets, second-hand belts, hydraulic boosters, spin the steering wheel, shift gears. Efforts no more than bring a couple of buckets from the river on the beam.

            Speed ​​of reaction, quick wit, experience, intuition

            But what about the real physiological differences - the growth and weight of the female body is noticeably inferior to the male, less muscle mass - women weight lifters, miners, boxers and tacklers ... this is an obvious mockery of nature
            1. postman
              postman 10 September 2013 17: 18 New
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              Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
              Efforts no more than bring a couple of buckets from the river on the beam.

              I can’t take a couple of buckets, then a canister (17 l) brought up to (30 m) a lawn mower, I immediately dug it on crutches in the direction of the MRI and flew into the hospital for 10 days ... but Nuerburgring passed on its trough again in July, and nothing
              Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
              But what about the real physiological differences - the height and weight of the female body are noticeably inferior to the male

              You tell this to the orderlies (some are still alive), who pulled healthy bulls out of the battlefield under heavy fire, which is remarkable.
              More than 100 doctors and half a million nurses in WWII were WOMEN.
              Who said the medic fought a little?
              Or who said that he didn’t spill blood?
              That he slept all night
              Or as if hiding like a mole?

              If someone says this message,
              So, he lost his conscience, and honor,
              So, he himself didn’t do “good”,
              So, he did not love his homeland.



              And the female squadron “Night Witches”?
              Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
              this is a clear mockery of nature

              This is a mockery of us men ....
              1. Avenger711
                Avenger711 11 September 2013 00: 32 New
                +1
                Will it ever reach you that all these praises to women are only due to the fact that they somehow did a job that they can’t afford? And the nurse who pulled the soldier out of the battlefield is the heroine, and the healthy man who pulled out 10 wounded during this time is kind of like that.
                1. postman
                  postman 11 September 2013 04: 15 New
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                  Quote: Avenger711
                  Will it ever reach you

                  I don’t have to go anywhere ..
                  Quote: Avenger711
                  and a healthy man, who pulled out 10 wounded during this time, is like that in the order of things.

                  Yes. I am so raised.
                  Are you different?
                  Is it harder for a classmate to pack a backpack (on a hike), use his wife as a pack horse? Eat beer and grow suprapubic corn while a woman farts the whole house on herself?
                  Do you happen to fight with them (with women)? Kick on the scoreboard? to melon? AND?
                  Well, according to your logic, this is permissible.
        2. Avenger711
          Avenger711 11 September 2013 00: 29 New
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          Well, just goofing achivka, won a couple of times in karting. You don’t understand that with puberty, the difference in opportunities only increases due to hormones?
          1. postman
            postman 11 September 2013 04: 24 New
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            Quote: Avenger711
            You don’t understand that with puberty, the difference in opportunities only increases due to hormones?

            I will answer only with a quote (classic):

            A woman is placed in such a framework only by society, take nature (a la naturel):
            - tear the male (yes, he will not communicate, his tail will run away)
            The same cat
            A lioness, a tigress, will devour a male, especially when trying to feast on him with 0,5 year old offspring
            etc
            I AM HAVING VISIBLE DOUBTS (no, not: "the ambassador has a medallion at Shpak a tape recorder" - by no means) that you are LYUAYA
            Quote: Avenger711
            achivka
            he smashes a heating pad like an ace, and he puts it on his shoulder blades.
            I'm right?
      2. Avenger711
        Avenger711 11 September 2013 00: 27 New
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        You yourself do not see that you only show how helpless women are in male professions? For the entire existence of the F-1, probably thousands of pilots went to the track, of which only a couple of women, who showed nothing and became famous only because they were women.
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 10 September 2013 15: 11 New
      -3
      Quote: Sasha
      No one has yet canceled the blonde behind the wheel .. This is not a woman’s business. A man will die simply as a carrier of sperm with certain genes. And Woman as the carrier of Man .. After the death of a woman, the world is changing. Nationality does not matter.

      The problem in this particular case was the insufficient level of training for female pilots, who were in a hurry to put into operation in order to hush up the scandal. At the moment, there are more than one or two women in the US aviation on deck.
      1. sashka
        sashka 11 September 2013 07: 05 New
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        Quote: Pimply
        At the moment, there are more than one or two women in the US aviation on deck.

        I know .. But this does not change the attitude towards them. After all, because of them, almost all the wars and problems))) Let them do "their" work and the men do theirs.
  14. poccinin
    poccinin 10 September 2013 13: 40 New
    +1
    and yet she fulfilled her dream. don’t be rusks, guys. if there was a RUSSIAN bailout system on the F-14, she could survive. I read about the incident on our fleet. The YAK-38 fell into the sea in front of the ship. And the chair was thrown onto the pilot’s deck From a depth of several meters. The pilot remained alive. Our systems have repeatedly saved the lives of pilots.
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 10 September 2013 18: 51 New
      +2
      Now, if on the F-14 there was a RUSSIAN bailout system, she could survive
      . Could not. The ejection seat triggered when the plane had already rolled over, it was smashed into the water. The operator was fortunate that the pilot was the first to eject. If the pilot is the first, then a burnt firebrand will remain from the pilot-operator.
      1. novobranets
        novobranets 10 September 2013 20: 00 New
        +1
        Kara Khaltgrin gained fame during her lifetime, and her death only three months after becoming a fighter pilot only fueled debate about the admission of women to pilot combat aircraft. On February 28, 1995, the official results of the disaster investigation were published - the main reason was called engine failure. Vice Admiral Robert Span, commander of Pacific Navy aviation, said that eight out of nine male pilots could not cope with a similar situation when reconstructing a crash on a flight simulator. However, there was another version that blamed Haltgreen for the disaster. In March 1995, an unknown source in the Navy provided leading American media with copies of an internal investigation into the incident, which was not intended for open publication. It followed from this report that the surge in the engine was caused by the erroneous actions of Lieutenant Haltgreen. According to some F-14 pilots, the disaster could have been avoided if Khaltgrin had timely implemented the relevant emergency instructions [2]. The journalist Robert Caldwell, after conducting his own investigation, came to the conclusion that during the reconstruction on the flight simulator (when eight out of nine pilots could not cope with the situation), the pilots were forbidden to act on these emergency instructions [3
  15. Sheva777
    Sheva777 10 September 2013 14: 51 New
    +1
    Everyone can make a mistake! But to achieve your dream, despite all the difficulties, it is worth a lot.
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 10 September 2013 19: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: Sheva777
      Everyone can make a mistake! But to achieve your dream, despite all the difficulties, it is worth a lot.

      Right Due to the pilot’s blunder, the plane was destroyed, it was not cheap, the pilot died, and by another miracle he survived. it cost a lot, thank God, the states and not us.
  16. Dan
    Dan 10 September 2013 14: 51 New
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    “... The examinations at the flight institute failed, the dream is a dream, but astronauts are not taken ...”

    --- LUMEN ????
    1. Santa Fe
      10 September 2013 16: 38 New
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      Quote: Dan
      --- LUMEN ????

      probably. saw such a video on u-tube

      ... the guys in the yard spoke abnormally
      that the layout of the rocket takes half a bedroom.
      laughing good
      1. Dan
        Dan 11 September 2013 15: 46 New
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        not ! have not seen. otherwise this is the song of the Ufa group "Lumen" from the first album. there is no clip for it. Apparently in YouTube someone's creative.
  17. Pimply
    Pimply 10 September 2013 15: 04 New
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    Raw article, Oleg. Again your dislike for aircraft carriers, and many assumptions in return for facts

    US carrier-based aircraft abandoned female pilots AT that moment, because female pilots, because of that sexist scandal, were in a hurry to put into operation without the proper level of training. This was the main scandal, and not because the women somehow somehow controlled the plane. The situation concerned specific two women. At the moment, there are not one or two women in deck aviation, and they served, including, on the F-1
  18. _KM_
    _KM_ 10 September 2013 15: 19 New
    +2
    About physiology. In a stressful situation, women are more slowly involved in the situation and analyze it worse. The best achievements in sports in women are worse than in men and are achieved by taking male hormones. Women have less performance, etc.

    By the way, a woman is guided in space and on the ground much worse than men. Moreover, one should not take individual cases ("one friend of my wife ..."), but watch in bulk.

    As an example of women's equality, photos of women in motorsport were placed above. They just forgot that not a single woman has achieved success in car racing. Moreover, even with huge financial injections. So Kirche-Kinder-Kitchen.

    :-)
    1. postman
      postman 10 September 2013 17: 30 New
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      Quote: _KM_
      They just forgot that not a single woman has achieved success in car racing.

      There (above) just about SUCCESS ... and not just "successes", but VICTORIES.
      Quote: _KM_
      Moreover, even with huge financial injections.


      WHAT?

      The highest paid Kimi Raikkonen. Somewhere 40 million euros. Hamilton receives half as much.

      And about all I found only an old tablet from 2007.

      Racer Age Salary´07 Market Value Earning in a career
      F. Alonso 26 $ 20 million $ 32 million $ 47.8 million
      L. Hamilton 22 $ 1 million $ 100 million $ 1 million
      D. Physicella 34 $ 5.5 million $ 5.5 million $ 52.5 million
      H. Kovalainen 25 $ 3 million $ 2 million $ 3 million
      F. Massa 25 $ 5 million $ 10 million $ 12.1 million
      K. Raikkonen 26 $ 45 million $ 20 million $ 145.1 million
      D. Button 27 $ 28 million $ 28 million $ 98.4 million
      R. Barrichello 34 $ 7.5 million $ 7.5 million $ 60 million
      N.Heidfeld 29 $ 3.5 million $ 3.5 million $ 15.6 million
      R.Kubitsa 22 $ 0.75 million $ 5 million $ 0.75 million
      R. Schumacher 31 $ 13 million $ 4 million $ 97 million
      Y. Trulli 32 $ 6 million $ 8 million $ 45.75 million
      D. Coulthard 35 $ 3 million $ 3 million $ 43.5 million
      M. Webber 30 $ 8 million $ 8 million $ 24.9 million
      N.Rosberg 21 $ 1 million $ 4 million $ 2 million
      A. Wurtz 33 $ 1 million $ 1 million $ 9 million
      T. Sato 30 $ 1 million $ 2 million $ 5.7 million
      E. Davidson 28 $ 1 million $ 1 million $ 3 million
      WHERE IS THE "BABETS" THAT?

      Quote: _KM_
      So Kirche-Kinder-Kitchen.

      QTY always goes into quality ..
      if we (men) for 300 years had worn "Venetian lattices" (or "Bergamas zamoski"), adapted to our physiology essno; 600 years old in a burqa; were deprived of the right to vote for 1200 years = if I had seen which of you, after generations Mikka Hakonnen or Nathanael Bumpo (who is "much better than women") would come out
      1. Avenger711
        Avenger711 11 September 2013 00: 44 New
        +1
        When your brain is sharpened so that you can follow the child for millions of years of evolution, then no Mikka Hakkinen really will come out, and regardless of the burqa. And if it comes out, then this is a deviation. Moreover, extreme forms of deviation are found almost exclusively in males, because it cannot be any different, males are an expendable material of evolution, a successful specimen will appear and leave offspring, get hurt, a freak will appear, well and figs with it, there is always someone to replace sperm is almost endless. And why go for a burqa? In Russia, a woman could well have been independent, some were even empresses, to the point of zero. Already more than one generation is practically uniformly studying in schools, the sense of zero. Just because women are not interested in male activities, even such as chess.

        As for the right to vote, only a person who actively does something for society can vote, and if a woman with children just sits, what kind of voice can be discussed?
  19. Delta
    Delta 10 September 2013 15: 20 New
    +2
    Kaptsov could not resist here either:

    "The concept itself is flawed - in conditions when the masses of jet fighters are in the tens of tons, and landing speeds noticeably exceed 200 km / h (while the machine is balancing on the verge of stall speed) - in such conditions, even a 300-meter deck of aircraft carriers" Nimitz "is not enough for safe and efficient operation of modern aircraft. "

    Oleg, but they do it! If everything were as bad as you want, then there would have been no aircraft carriers, or they would have been planted exclusively with old stuff, or the take-off deck would have been lengthened. "Kuzi" has much less than "Nimitz", and nothing - they put the same
    1. Santa Fe
      10 September 2013 16: 50 New
      -1
      Quote: Delta
      however they do it!

      But this does not mean that it is correct, in terms of logic and combat effectiveness

      About the probable reasons why they do this, step by step stepping on their own rake, I answered you yesterday
      Quote: Delta
      they would plant exclusively junk

      Extremely light cars are planted on them - Hornet, Hawkai, and their fashionable flying compromises.
      Quote: Delta
      lengthened the take-off deck

      It's impossible.
      For the normal operation of a modern light class fighter (F-16) you need a strip of at least a kilometer, and preferably two
      Quote: Delta
      "Kuzi" it is much smaller

      I have a couple of funny stories about this hellish prodigy
      For example, how his flight deck was deformed from shock loads and how this problem was then solved

      Once every three years they fly, and then they managed to smash:
  20. TRAFFIC
    TRAFFIC 10 September 2013 16: 22 New
    +2
    For perceiving women at the controls of an airplane as a misunderstanding, I’ll add such a woman. Svetlana Kapanina, the best female pilot of the century, a bunch of victories at competitions, state awards. Tell her about physiology, look at her performances on YouTube and calm down. Yes, and about women driving, it certainly happens in different ways, but this attitude seems to me more in the vastness of the former USSR, look at the same USA.
    1. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 10 September 2013 17: 00 New
      +2
      But can there be no exception?
      1. sashka
        sashka 11 September 2013 07: 09 New
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        Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
        But can there be no exception?

        Why is there. Transvestites ..
    2. Mike
      Mike 26 September 2013 01: 45 New
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      Do not forget Elena Klimovich .... http://www.delfinmotorsport.ru/reports/item/582
  21. _KM_
    _KM_ 10 September 2013 16: 40 New
    +3
    That's when this best female pilot of the century converges in a TRAINING aerial combat with an ordinary pilot, then back to the topic. In the meantime, Kirche-Kinder-Kitchen. wink
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 10 September 2013 17: 44 New
      -1
      Why is necessarily the best, and not the usual. And why do you think you don’t agree? For example, the first woman - the pilot of a modern fighter - in Israel was the best on the course. And the course includes such training.
    2. Shadowcat
      Shadowcat 10 September 2013 20: 55 New
      +2
      um ...> _> * looks at the times of the Great Patriotic War, in particular at "Night Eidm" * Something you freeze nonsense sir. Already they flew and set records, and shot down, and bombed, and the wounded were taken out from behind the front. Look at the history of the 586th, 587th, 588th regiments. Remember the first Hero-Woman of the USSR Valentina Grizodubova and her crew.
  22. Ivan Ural
    Ivan Ural 10 September 2013 19: 47 New
    +2
    She is well done! I think that we would have found many such women if the state enabled them to fully serve in the army. But for now, we are not ready for this, because most of the men in our country associate women with the kitchen
    1. sashka
      sashka 11 September 2013 07: 19 New
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      Quote: Ivan Ural
      I think that we would have found many such women if the state enabled them to fully serve in the army.

      If there is no other business at home. At least go on your head. Otherwise, just a search for adventure at the po ..
  23. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 10 September 2013 20: 48 New
    +1
    The American article is understandable from the first lines. In our list of cosmonauts (and not astronauts in any way) they put Tereshkova as the first woman in space. And about the pilots - remember Grizodubova with her team that set a record and understand that our emancipation worked for many years than in democratic America.
  24. Kashchei
    Kashchei 10 September 2013 21: 03 New
    +1
    And I would sing a hymn ... to brave American women. Moreover, it is good to raise a screech in the media - about the inequality of sexes (or decks?) On amerskiye aircraft carriers. So that the amers' quota would be accepted: 50% of the controls are for women-heroines !!! Lo and behold, we will be calmer when the formidable "Nimits" go somewhere, take democracy
  25. motorized rifle
    motorized rifle 10 September 2013 21: 05 New
    +4
    All the same, I agree with the Lord God, who made Man and Woman different. According to this, the world of people is SHARE primarily in men and women, and nationality, profession, etc. etc. all this is secondary. And if she did not leave offspring, then all her dreams, of course, are worthy of respect, but she did not fulfill her true destiny, so if women begin to behave in large numbers, then you yourself understand ... In a word, as an extraordinary case, still passes, but as an example for mass imitation, in no case!
  26. igordok
    igordok 10 September 2013 22: 33 New
    +2
    The smartest man is smarter than the smartest woman. The most stupid man is stupider than the most stupid woman.
    The strongest man is stronger than the strongest woman. The weakest man is weaker than the weakest woman.
    ..........
    ..........
    ..........
    1. postman
      postman 11 September 2013 00: 09 New
      +2
      Quote: igordok
      igordok

      great comment.
      For those "puffed up" with their "masculinity" and superiority, I will add
      FOR THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MANKIND - the coolest egg has not yet been boiled ... they cannot boil, boil and boil.
  27. Stalinets
    Stalinets 11 September 2013 04: 56 New
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    It is unlikely that the word "lady" can be attributed to this madame .. You need to understand the meaning of the words ... yes
  28. sashka
    sashka 11 September 2013 07: 22 New
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    We have not canceled these rights .. As they carried the railroad ties, they carry them as well. It’s not worth fighting.
  29. _KM_
    _KM_ 11 September 2013 13: 02 New
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    Quote: Sasha
    We have not canceled these rights .. As they carried the railroad ties, they carry them as well. It’s not worth fighting.


    Do not drag. The famous domestic photo on which the ladies lay the rails was staged. The story is well known and described in detail.
  30. _KM_
    _KM_ 11 September 2013 13: 04 New
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    Quote: Sasha
    How to carry sleepers and carry


    Do not carry and do not carry. The famous domestic photo was staged. The story is well known and described in detail.
  31. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 11 September 2013 14: 03 New
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    A selection of photos of women in the army:
    Serbia

    Belgium

    Byelorussia

    Chile
    1. smiths xnumx
      smiths xnumx 11 September 2013 14: 06 New
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      Continued:
      Russia. DOBDD

      Finland

      Eritrea

      Kazakhstan

      Norway
      1. smiths xnumx
        smiths xnumx 11 September 2013 14: 12 New
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        Continued:
        Moldavia

        Mexico

        Russia

        Peru

        Taiwan
        1. smiths xnumx
          smiths xnumx 11 September 2013 14: 17 New
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          Ending:
          Bulgaria

          Estonia

          Israel

          Turkey

          USA

          All photos taken:
          http://www.zamnoy.com/blogs/losharik/84816316/2009-05-13/devushki_v_armii_71_fot
          ografija_
          1. Santa Fe
            11 September 2013 15: 21 New
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            Novel, this is class good
            1. smiths xnumx
              smiths xnumx 11 September 2013 15: 24 New
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              Oleg, if I like to continue:
              21-year-old Japanese woman Sumire Uesaka is a big fan of our country:
              1. smiths xnumx
                smiths xnumx 11 September 2013 15: 42 New
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                Here is her photo:


        2. Hon
          Hon 11 September 2013 15: 46 New
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          From Russia, a photo of the singer Nadia Ruchka gr. "Shiny"
          1. smiths xnumx
            smiths xnumx 11 September 2013 15: 48 New
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            A small selection of photos of girls from the IDF:




            1. smiths xnumx
              smiths xnumx 11 September 2013 15: 53 New
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              Continued:





              All photos
              http://www.bugaga.ru/girls/1146738940-devushki-v-izrailskoy-armii-tozhe-lyubyat-
              fotografirovatsya.html
              1. Santa Fe
                11 September 2013 16: 02 New
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                Ashkenazi, Sabra, Sephardi)))
                1. smiths xnumx
                  smiths xnumx 11 September 2013 16: 05 New
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                  Oleg, you can’t please you, my friend, but the girls are beautiful, well, here’s a selection of harsh Teutonic virgins, although this is more to Den 11:
                  Austria

                  Germany

                  Finland

                  Sweden
                  1. smiths xnumx
                    smiths xnumx 11 September 2013 16: 31 New
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                    Well, another small selection of beauties in military uniform:
                    Chile

                    South Korea

                    Italy

                    Czech Republic

                    Indonesia
                    1. smiths xnumx
                      smiths xnumx 11 September 2013 16: 34 New
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                      Continued:
                      China

                      Norway

                      Finland (the photograph was already there, but the girl is so pretty that I allow myself to upload her photo again in higher resolution)

                      Switzerland

                      Romania
                      1. smiths xnumx
                        smiths xnumx 11 September 2013 16: 39 New
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                        Well, and the end:
                        Vietnam

                        Japan

                        Poland

                        New Zealand

                        Serbia

                        All photos taken
                        http://fishki.net/29530-devushki-v-armii-47-foto.html
        3. Mike
          Mike 26 September 2013 01: 36 New
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          About the Russian girl from the Airborne Forces. This is from the group "Brilliant" right black, from the clip "My brother paratrooper" .... http: //www.youtube.com/watch? V = 7QJOZBtToKY

          There are also female models ... They have nothing to do with the service ...
  32. Crang
    Crang 11 September 2013 18: 55 New
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    F-14 shit.
    1. Mike
      Mike 25 September 2013 23: 45 New
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      Did you fly on it?