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Three days to hold out. Syria’s air defense system may well resist a US attack - under certain conditions

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Three days to hold out. Syria’s air defense system may well resist a US attack - under certain conditionsThe effectiveness of the Syrian air defense is one of the main issues in connection with the expected attack on Syria. On closer examination, it turns out that, despite the abundance of outdated systems, Syria still has chances to put up quite significant resistance. And in general, it is clear what needs to be done for this.


The distribution of goals is always a mutual game ahead of the curve. The attacking side is simply obliged to destroy the defense in the very first hours and “clear the sky”. Conversely, the defenders will seek to avoid these losses and destroy the means of attack in order to deplete enemy resources. The first goals of the Tomahawks will be the most capable Syrian air defense systems, which, in turn, are a tool for the maximum destruction of cruise missiles.

Syria's air defense system will be forced to solve two parallel tasks. The first is a reflection of the primary rocket attack. The second is the traditional protection of airspace on a territorial basis.

Now Syria's air defense system is about as organized. For the most part, it consists of the long-obsolete Soviet medium-range C-125 "Neva", C-125 "Pechora", "Cube" (up to 200 units), "Wasp" (14 batteries, that is, up to 60 combat vehicles). It is assumed that they are in service with the up-to-date 50 C-13 Carapace, but, most likely, only part of them managed to be put on duty. This whole pile of metal, counting the 100-mm KS-19 cannons found in long-term storage and almost 2500 Shilok and 35 Strel assigned to ground forces, covers the “full-time combat schedule” in the old manner.

It must be understood that the Syrian command is a very clever man. The strategic system only seems outdated because it was built in the old fashioned way to ensure a large-scale land war. Potential adversaries (Israel and Turkey) have incomparably greater power aviation. Why do Syria need to still contain 150 MiG-21s - science does not know. But there are no guarantees that the 48 MiG-29s will be able to take off. The same applies to 50 combat-ready MiG-23s and 30 MiG-25 interceptors. According to various estimates, the density of fighter aircraft cover can be a maximum of 5%. This is also a lot, but that is precisely why in the last 10 years consciously special attention was paid precisely to the development of the strategic air defense system.

But this system has been honed for years under the war with Israel. Therefore, now it is dominated by outdated, but very numerous medium-range systems. There are a lot of them, and this is good. They were supposed to create the maximum density of defeat from the south-western direction at medium altitudes, covering the ground forces from the assault strike. Now they urgently have to relearn.

First of all, it will be necessary to retrain now for another parameter of goals. There was a lot of noise about the effectiveness of the Syrian air defense after the downed Turkish "Phantom". In one such case, it is impossible to judge the whole system, but it was he who seriously cooled Ankara. After all, the task of the flight was in identifying new detection systems located not along the Turkish border, but along the sea, and the destruction of the aircraft was the only sensible solution for Syria’s air defense — otherwise it would have brought all the parameters of the new radar system on itself.

Now it is necessary to revise the radar settings, since the situation in the theater of operations will be fundamentally different. In the first 48 hours, the enemy will massively use small targets, from “Tomahawks” and guided bombs to hundreds of distracting targets. And the main blow in the first minutes will have to not on the air defense system itself, but on detection and control systems.

The weakest point of the Syrian air defense is to the death of an outdated command and control system. It is entirely copied from the Soviet, which implies a rigid vertical structure. If the chain of orders somewhere along the road breaks - everything stops.

However, in the last year, the rigidity of the system changed simply under the pressure of circumstances. Two general air defense commands were created (North and South), then control points of units and subdivisions that use shortwave and even wire communication systems in the old manner. But today, three fully computerized command posts of Russian production have been commissioned. Even before the beginning of the air battle, they can make decisions on targets, organize military operations and exchange operational-tactical information. God knows that the ideology of control of the melee system, for example, is hopelessly outdated, but the new controls have one unconditional advantage: they do not depend on orders from Damascus. The effect of "reasonable decentralization", when the inferiority of the old system of command was compensated by new technologies, turned out. # {Weapon}

But still, much of the detection systems remained at the level of the Arab-Israeli wars 50-year-old. For example, the Kvadrat SAM system is still manually guided. That is, a person is sitting behind the screen of the Crab 1960 complex of the production year (the screen, not a person), and is tracking large targets with the eyes of 10. At the same time, he presses the buttons and screams with his voice, because the antennas of the same year of production are not induced, they must be pushed. A well-trained crew can handle seconds in 30 with a radio link distance up to 15 kilometers. Everything. Sailed. Funnel one will remain.

Automated control systems were to be supplied to Syria only in a set with the air defense systems of another generation. But such a thing as a tablet computer, the Syrian army is unknown. Therefore, the effectiveness of modern Russian radar stations in Syria will not really help the effectiveness of hitting air targets - the provision of air defense systems with automated processing of the information received is late. Deliveries of equipment were not in the complete set of software, but in parts. What President Putin had in mind when he said that “Russia has suspended deliveries of equipment to Syria.”

In fact, Syria has only two truly modern radars. Firstly, it is absolutely Russian radar, served by absolutely Russian people on Mount Jebel al-Harrah near Damascus. And similar, but with local staff on Mount Sanin. They are imprisoned on Israel and the Mediterranean Sea and are associated with the most modern and effective air defense systems: those same C-300 and C-200. Even the old C-200 provides interception of targets at a distance of up to 150 kilometers from the coast and completely closes the ports of Tartus and Lattakia. Any target is intercepted at a range of 100 kilometers from major cities even when launched from Turkey.

However, we must understand that "Tomahawk" - a dull rocket. To launch it, the duty officer of the destroyer from the ship’s fire control center must request from the satellite (and this other room is the communications center, where you still need to go and be allowed to enter, not all ship staff officers have the right to enter the communications center) in the United States. Including the management of cartography, since only it has the necessary data to be loaded into the guidance system. The request pulls for two to three minutes and goes along the open line. To read this fascinating correspondence in the Eastern Mediterranean is already the Russian ship "Azov". Further, the low speed of flight in the mountain zone (“Tomahawk” simply follows the terrain, which means it must carefully maneuver between obstacles) will make it possible to look at it, no more protected than the FAA-1 in 1944. At least from a machine gun shoot.

It follows a logical conclusion. The most effective mobile air defense systems of Syria (C-300) should be transferred to permanent duty outside the usual guard zone. In other words, they move northeast from Damascus, where they cannot be reached, and are removed from the operational command. It turns out "elusive Joe" with a radius of destruction up to Cyprus to the east and to Eilat to the south.

The weakness of this idea is that between stable strategic defense zones (North and South) there is a failure in the integral zone of destruction at low and extremely low altitudes. There remain several C-200 batteries, but most likely they will die first, since their location has long been known. Keeping there in a hidden reserve (that is, moving in a circle) C-300 and "Buki" is a controversial idea. Anyway, the coating at the ultra-low height will be no more than 15%, with which you will have to accept.

Is the same история while repelling a blow from Turkey at extremely low altitude. Three C-200 divisions, the same number of C-75 and two C-125 can survive only by roaming. Moreover, their radio-electronic systems are completely defenseless against active interference. There is also the ar-Rakan direction (north), al-Hasan (northeast), Daur-az-Zaur, which in this situation turn out to be completely uncovered. The only reasonable salvation is the creation of mobile brigades from the remnants of "Bukov" and "Pantsirey." At the worst, MANPADS and anti-aircraft guns.

In general, the entire “self-defense system” —the air defense of the ground forces, up to the Strel — must work for itself upon the appearance of targets. Do not listen to orders from Damascus, if such even begin to come. And local radars should be turned on for more than 20 seconds only to support the target.

Technically, Syria’s air defenses have a 15 – 20-multiple advantage in front of the attacker in the area of ​​four major cities. Umbrella tightly closes Damascus, Aleppo, Ham and Idlib. Homs is no longer a city, but a pile of concrete, there is nothing to protect there. Hence, the most promising task will be the removal of the damage radius by more than 100 kilometers into the Mediterranean Sea and deep into Turkey. At the same time, the eastern border with Iraq will remain a completely failed section, from where bombers from Bahrain and Nimitz will surely fly.

There are still purely domestic problems associated with the training (or lack of education) of staff. In the absence of a computer distribution of goals, the smartest one should agree with the next calculation on the area of ​​responsibility. Otherwise, 40 missiles will fly into one "Tomkat", and all the rest will be bombed safely. It is necessary to create a mixed air defense batteries for different heights of destruction. That is, the space in height must be closed by various systems so that they also do not “select” targets from each other. Need a false fire system. Let the old "Urals" with wooden rockets ride in a circle. Very effective. The fire must be fought only for small targets to the maximum depth of destruction and systems of different types. Simply put: I saw - I shot, and then I thought why and what it was. The radar field overlap is two to three times radar. Otherwise, save yourself. Old radar set at a distance of 300 meters from the air defense system. Damaged - used as a false target. Cables - bury at least half a meter, do not be lazy. Personnel to drive into the trenches and make to kindle fires at night - you will laugh, but the American missiles with thermal observation still perceive them as a point of guidance.

All this can withstand these critical three or four days, after which the carrier groups will run out of ammunition. And there already - only God knows.
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  1. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 9 September 2013 18: 17
    33
    Under certain conditions, I can also fill the face of the Klitschko brothers ... Only these conditions are very, very conditional. However, as in the case of "Syrian air defenses against modern means of attack from the air."
    1. soldat1945
      soldat1945 9 September 2013 18: 49
      38
      There is always a chance, God forbid, that we could use it correctly!
      1. elmi
        elmi 9 September 2013 19: 05
        +7
        Who cares, here's a similar article: http://www.nationaldefense.ru/includes/periodics/geopolitics/2012/1008/17389386/
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        1. Canep
          Canep 9 September 2013 19: 38
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          The Russian fleet will line up along the coast and will bring down all the tomahawks approaching them from the sea, the Syrians will only have to shoot down American planes. So I suppose this war will take place. Such a development justifies the presence of amphibious ships there in large numbers. Cruisers and destroyers will receive a formal reason to shoot down missiles approaching the BDK.
          1. MG42
            MG42 9 September 2013 19: 58
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            Quote: Canep
            The Russian fleet will line up along the coast and will bring down all the tomahawks approaching them from the sea

            None of the IDFs will launch tomahawks in the direction of the warships of a third party - Russia ... otherwise, this will be tantamount to a declaration of war.
            Quote: Canep
            the Syrians will only have to shoot down American planes.

            The blow can be from the south through Jordan from the Red Sea .. and from the north from Turkish territory.
            The Azov reconnaissance ship can detect the launches of tomahawks and warn the Syrians about this so that they prepare for a strike.
            1. domokl
              domokl 9 September 2013 20: 33
              +8
              Quote: MG42
              The blow can be from the south through Jordan from the Red Sea .. and from the north from Turkish territory.

              Sergey, you forget that the missiles do not move instantly and the result can be achieved only by a sudden blow. The longer they fly, the less chance they fly.
              In any case, the Americans will not take risks and shoot through us. Here I agree completely. But it’s also silly to take ships far away
              According to my estimates, the strike should be delivered no later than the night of 10 on 11 of September. Otherwise, the coalition will begin to disintegrate. So there is no time to wait.
              1. MG42
                MG42 9 September 2013 20: 44
                +7
                Quote: domokl
                Sergey, you forget that the missiles do not move instantly and the result can be achieved only by a sudden blow. The longer they fly, the less chance they fly.

                So it’s like that, only they will be able to shoot down them over Syrian territory of short-range air defense like the shell of a tunguska shell, with a massive blow, and so the states can beat and the chances are hard to calculate how much will be shot down, cruise missile flight range from 800 to 2500 km depending on the modification .. will fly even if it is launched from the Arabian Sea .. S-300 can operate on cruise missiles up to 300 km. but the question is, are they there at all?

                Quote: domokl
                In any case, the Americans will not take risks and shoot through us. Here I agree completely. But it’s also silly to take ships far away

                Well, at least they will cover the direction from the side of the Mediterranean Sea and Tartus simply by their presence ..
                One Amerian talker let slip that we will not shoot with submarines since the Russians are swimming nearby so as not to provoke ..
              2. Quiet
                Quiet 9 September 2013 22: 32
                11
                The strike, according to my estimates, should be delivered no later than the night of September 10-11

                In 4.00 am like Hitler! (why are they worse) !!! fool
                1. Tersky
                  Tersky 9 September 2013 22: 42
                  +5
                  Quote: Quiet
                  In 4.00 am like Hitler! (why are they worse) !!!

                  Maybe more correctly - what are they better? It's just that the worse, the worse does not happen ... wink
                  1. Apologet.Ru
                    Apologet.Ru 10 September 2013 00: 02
                    +2
                    hi
                    Colleagues who are seriously interested in what the events in Syria are connected with, I strongly recommend watching the first part of the "Military Secret" program, I am sure you will not regret it ...

                    1. kush62
                      kush62 10 September 2013 17: 29
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                      quote:
                      Colleagues who are seriously interested in what the events in Syria are connected with, I strongly recommend watching the first part of the "Military Secret" program, I am sure you will not regret it ...

                      Be careful with this gear. Interesting, but there are enough mistakes. The latter contained information about recently disclosed information that the United States was going to bomb 20 cities of the USSR with nuclear charges after World War II.
                      True, I read this back in 1984 in the book "CIA against the USSR" They love sensations.
                  2. Hort
                    Hort 10 September 2013 07: 14
                    0
                    not, Hitler, although with his own lodger, but still was better than these - his soldiers honestly fought on the ground)
                    1. il grand casino
                      il grand casino 10 September 2013 19: 03
                      +1
                      Quote: hort
                      not, Hitler, although with his own lodger, but still was better than these - his soldiers honestly fought on the ground)

                      If he had the opportunity to use nuclear weapons. His soldiers would fight on contaminated land ... if there was anyone left to fight with
                    2. Cynic
                      Cynic 11 September 2013 10: 14
                      0
                      Quote: hort
                      but he was better than these - his soldiers honestly fought on earth

                      And if you recall the valiant allies with Dresden, and Coventry from the same category, plus and FAU-2, FAU-1.
                      Why not prototype FAU-1 Ax? Have you thought about this?
                      In vain.

            2. Bashkaus
              Bashkaus 9 September 2013 22: 16
              11
              None of the IDFs will launch tomahawks in the direction of the warships of a third party - Russia ... otherwise, this will be tantamount to a declaration of war. So after all, this is all and the calculation, the ships actually line up with a ribbon along the entire coast of the Mediterranean, essentially covering the sky with their sides, and then "Moscow" with three hundred protects the lives of our citizens anywhere in the world.
              And then there are the Chinese coming, and on the other end is Iran. In general, there is a reason for this. I also sincerely hope that ours will bring down these axes
              1. MG42
                MG42 9 September 2013 22: 29
                +3
                Quote: Bashkaus
                So after all, this is all and the calculation, the ships actually line up with a ribbon along the entire coast of the Mediterranean, essentially covering the sky with their sides, and then "Moscow" with three hundred protects the lives of our citizens anywhere in the world.

                On "Moscow" there is a s-300f and 2 "Wasp" = short-range complexes, and that he will be able to protect only himself and the group of ships in case of a massive CD strike ..
                Ship autonomous SAM "Osa-M" (SA-N-4, ammunition 40 missiles) short-range designed for ship self-defense from attacks by aircraft, helicopters and anti-ship missiles, as well as firing at surface targets. Combat capabilities of air defense systems allow destroying air targets at a speed of up to 600 m / s in the zone at a range of 1,2-10 km and an altitude of 25-5000 m. The complex is single-channel for the target and two-channel for the missile. Combat work can be carried out autonomously and according to the general shipboard system for detecting targets and tracking them. Launching missiles at targets can be carried out from 2 launchers of two-girder installations, each of which has a separate cellar for 20 missiles and its own control system. After modernization in 1975, the complex (Osa-MA), the minimum height of the target’s destruction decreased to 25 m.


                Ship multi-channel SAM S-300F "Fort" medium-range (SA-N-6, ammunition 64 5V55 missiles in 8 launchers of a revolver type below deck) of collective defense It is intended to protect ship warrants from attacks by aircraft, cruise missiles and other means of enemy air attack, operating at a maximum speed of up to 2000 m / s in the area of ​​5-75 km in range and up to 25 km in height. He is able to simultaneously accompany 12 targets and fire 6 of them. Combat capabilities of the complex provide effective combat against group and single, including supersonic manned and unmanned aerial targets, interception of anti-ship missiles and air defense missiles, hitting RTR and electronic warfare aircraft and removing the line of their use of avionics from a concealed ship’s connection, as well as hitting surface targets of the class "Boat frigate." The launch of vertical missiles from the transport and launch container with the launch of the mid-flight engine at a certain height above the deck of the ship. In the centralized control mode, target designation is received through the interface device from the common control system; in the autonomous mode, the complex independently searches for and detects targets using a standard firing multi-channel radar with a phased array in a given sector of responsibility.


                http://www.wartechnic.ru/countries/russia/navy/cruisers/pr1164/description/

                As for the Chinese, they go on the same landing ship and cruiser + auxiliary vessel.
                1. MG42
                  MG42 9 September 2013 22: 49
                  +4
                  Three days to hold out.

                  It reminded me of this phrase from here >>
                2. igor.borov775
                  igor.borov775 10 September 2013 06: 06
                  0
                  What you write is stupid and looks very much like a single word I won’t write, Whom it’s completely stupid, The presence of ships can only reduce the scale; how do you write Toporov nobody will interfere with the presence, But our sworn friends will also create a problem bypassing the Russian fleet and that’s all, And the flight paths are changed, We are not in the right position to climb on loopholes,
          2. Beck
            Beck 9 September 2013 20: 10
            52 th
            Quote: Canep
            The Russian fleet will line up along the coast and will bring down all the tomahawks approaching them from the sea


            Isn't it too strong? Shooting down the Tomahawks is to start a big war with the States. And who needs this? Assad's dictatorial regime is not worth a big war. Since in response to the downed Tomahawks, ships will have to be destroyed. And this is the beginning of a chain reaction.

            And why the author painted the Syrian air defense. Everyone has seen and know its effectiveness. When the Israelis wanted, then they walked through the sky of Syria without any consequences for themselves.

            You have to be realistic. Well, if a dozen Tomahawks will be shot down, it won't make the weather, the other hundred Tomahawks will deliver their cargo to their destination. It is better for Assad not to prepare for war, but to urgently seek a political solution, it will be much more effective than air defense.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 9 September 2013 20: 26
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              Quote: Beck
              Assad's dictatorial regime

              with the same success, we can call the Nazarbayev regime dictatorial
              1. Beck
                Beck 10 September 2013 07: 37
                13 th
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                with the same success, we can call the Nazarbayev regime dictatorial


                We, like you, have authoritarian regimes, but not dictatorial ones.

                Make the difference between the dictator Pinochet and Assad. There is no difference, only if in the details.

                It was clear and fair when the USSR defended legally elected President Allende from Pinochet. And it is not clear why Russia is protecting the dictator Assad from the just and legitimate demands of the Syrian people to hold elections.

                According to your logic, it was necessary to protect the dictator Pol Pot, who destroyed 1/3 of his own people. And stigmatize the Vietnamese army that overthrew the Pol Pot regime.

                If the dictator is a friend of the Kremlin, not Russia, this does not mean that the dictator is fair and legitimate.
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 10 September 2013 09: 26
                  +4
                  Quote: Beck
                  We, like you, have authoritarian regimes, but not dictatorial ones.

                  Authoritarianism (from lat. auctoritas - power, influence) - a political regime in which the holder of power (for example, a dictator) proclaims himself to be entitled to power. The justification for the existence of such a power is solely the opinion of the holder of this power on this score.
                  Authoritarian mode - it is a system of government in which power is exercised by one specific person with minimal participation of the people
                2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 10 September 2013 09: 31
                  +5
                  Quote: Beck
                  Make the difference between the dictator Pinochet and Assad. There is no difference, only if in the details.

                  Pinochet came to power as a result of a military coup
                  Assad - President re-elected in 2007
                  You catch the difference, but about protection from the "legitimate demands of the Syrian people to hold elections," I remember last year in Aktyubinsk armored personnel carriers went to the Caspian Sea, there were unrest, do not be afraid that someone clever will call this "the legitimate demands of the Kazakh people" and decide to establish democracy in the RK? !!!!
                  1. T80UM1
                    T80UM1 10 September 2013 10: 03
                    0
                    I support! Question are you still in the KZ or emigrated?
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 10 September 2013 10: 31
                      0
                      moved to Russia in 2009
                  2. Beck
                    Beck 10 September 2013 13: 55
                    0
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Assad - President re-elected in 2007


                    In 2007, there were no ELECTIONS, but an uncontested, falsified referendum. What are the figures 97,29% FOR. As if in Syria there are no patients, idlers, nonsense and others.
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 10 September 2013 14: 51
                      +3
                      Beck, don't go into the trap yourself
                      Quote: Beck
                      What do the figures say 97,29% FOR.

                      Extraordinary elections of the President of the Republic of Kazakhstan

                      The CEC of Kazakhstan announced the final election results, according to which the incumbent President Nursultan Nazarbayev scored 95,55% votes, Gani Kasymov - 1,94% of the vote, Zhambyl Akhmetbekov - 1,36%, Mels Yeleusizov - 1,15%.

                      Quote: Beck
                      In 2007, there were no ELECTIONS, but a non-alternative, falsified referendum

                      Sorry, but where is this infa from ?!
                3. user
                  user 10 September 2013 09: 32
                  0
                  and how the proposed US intervention differs from the Anschluss of Austria by Hitler, except for the reasons
                  1. Beck
                    Beck 10 September 2013 14: 04
                    0
                    Quote: user
                    and how the proposed US intervention differs from the Anschluss of Austria by Hitler, except for the reasons


                    And why harness it if you do not know the definitions?

                    Anschluss is the accession of any territory, state, by force or voluntarily to another state.

                    In your opinion, what does the USA want to annex Syria to 51 states? If hens understood human speech, then, from your utterance, they would have died with laughter.
                4. T80UM1
                  T80UM1 10 September 2013 09: 58
                  +9
                  Let me ask you as a compatriot? What is your logic about the "Assad regime" based on and your wishes for a speedy demise? What prevents after Syria and Iran from arranging the same in Kazakhstan with the "Nazarbayev regime"? And please do not say that we have it more "democratic" for the states, all the same if not under them means bad. Just because we have a lot of oil. And according to your logic, in this case, Russia should "throw" us because our "dictator is not fair and illegal in the opinion of the West." I am always touched by my compatriots-Westerners and compatriots-Natsiks (not you) and the Russian 5 column, even my own mother will surrender anyone.

                  Did I understand you correctly?
                  1. aviator_IAS
                    aviator_IAS 10 September 2013 11: 18
                    +5
                    Quote: T80UM1
                    Let me ask you as a compatriot?

                    And he seems to be in no way determined with the fatherland. Either the Kazakh flag, then the mattress.
                  2. Beck
                    Beck 10 September 2013 13: 40
                    -6
                    Quote: T80UM1
                    Did I understand you correctly?


                    You don't understand a damn thing. We have no civil war and no rivers of blood.
                    1. T80UM1
                      T80UM1 10 September 2013 14: 35
                      +6
                      It can be organized, for example, as in Syria for the time being there was no war there.
                      1. Beck
                        Beck 11 September 2013 01: 38
                        -1
                        Quote: T80UM1
                        It can be organized, for example, as in Syria for the time being there was no war there.
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        sorry for cynicism, if necessary, organize in five seconds


                        Who will organize? You? You have nothing more to do? There are a lot of authoritarian, dictatorial regimes and no one climbs to them since there is no war. Or, that the West needs this, remove all the governments of Central Asia. Now, if long bloodshed breaks out then they intervene.

                        As long as there is no shedding of blood, there is a presumption that peoples live as they want.
                        And you have all the conspiracies.

                        I will say it again. Nobody in the world will intervene anywhere, because nobody needs this in FIG until they kill people.
                      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 11 September 2013 09: 49
                        +1
                        Quote: Beck
                        Who will organize? You? You have nothing more to do?

                        Well, they organized it at the Kyrgyz (just don’t say that people went out there at the call of the heart), and in the RK, if necessary, they will organize
                  3. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 10 September 2013 14: 56
                    +3
                    Quote: Beck
                    We have no civil war and no rivers of blood.

                    sorry for cynicism, if necessary, organize in five seconds.
                    and they will say your words, Nazarbayev falsified the elections, gaining more than 95% of the vote.
                    Forgive me, how are you going to give you examples from modern history ?!
              2. Ram chandra
                Ram chandra 10 September 2013 10: 52
                +6
                I am ashamed of you, countryman.
                1. Beck
                  Beck 10 September 2013 13: 56
                  -2
                  Quote: Ram Chandra
                  I am ashamed of you, countryman.


                  Who is this addressed to?
                  1. Ram chandra
                    Ram chandra 11 September 2013 09: 04
                    0
                    To you, if you’re not offended that I’m with you as a countryman.
                    1. Beck
                      Beck 11 September 2013 10: 15
                      +1
                      Quote: Ram Chandra
                      To you, if you’re not offended that I’m with you as a countryman.


                      What are the formalities of excessive courtesy? The ancient Greeks had no appeal to you at all. There was still a lack of high nobility.

                      Quote: Ram Chandra
                      I am ashamed of you, countryman.


                      Why should I be ashamed? If the dictator lives peacefully, does not shoot at his people, and the people themselves do not oppose the dictator, then no one touches such dictators. There are many more in the world.

                      I’m not saying that you should be ashamed for supporting tyrants who have been fighting their own people for two years now. Two years just do not fight with bandits, they are dispersed in 2-3 months. And such bloodshed in Syria may continue for another two years, 100 more people will die, on both sides. Somehow it’s necessary to stop this homicide.

                      If you are for Assad killing another 100 thousand to remain in power, then this is your opinion. And why you should be ashamed of your opinion. Or do you have a desire for everyone to be trimmed under one comb. Such things exist in life, but only in the camps and under fascist and communist regimes.

                      Do not be ashamed. Live calmly.
                    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 11 September 2013 11: 56
                      0
                      Quote: Beck
                      If the dictator lives peacefully, does not shoot at his people, and the people themselves do not oppose the dictator, then no one touches such dictators.

                      Egypt Turkey
                    3. Ram chandra
                      Ram chandra 12 September 2013 21: 24
                      0
                      Thanks for the answer. I don’t even know what it would be better for me to hope - either you are stupid (in my understanding) or you are bought. But the first is more probable and more pleasant. Of course - all this is just my opinion. And the situation around Syria - this is my opinion, and the inhabitants of a bunch of countries that do not openly lick the United States - not like all sorts of Lithuania and Latvia with all sorts of Albania, and even more so, the polls show that even US citizens themselves are against the war (like 43% )
                      Well, the conclusion of their my 2 options - in the first case, you can not convince - since you can not open your eyes.
                      In the 2nd - case - know-how.
                      I would say more - with popular unrest - you need to beat your own so that others are afraid. Do you think this unrest just rises? This is in 95% of cases purchased from outside the event. And if 5% of the true civil protest falls, then it’s true - that you won’t even stop it with machine guns. There - about Napoleon as they wrote. If I had a choice - to shoot a thousand oppositionists and thereby maintain statehood - I would not have hesitated to take this karmic sin upon myself.
                    4. Beck
                      Beck 13 September 2013 08: 14
                      0
                      Quote: Ram Chandra
                      If I had a choice - to shoot a thousand oppositionists and thereby maintain statehood - I would not have hesitated to take this karmic sin upon myself.


                      Molodes!

                      SHOOT so SHOOT. Everyone who thinks a little differently than WE. To kill, to kill, to kill - peace of mind for the soul.

                      So why did it get up? Go to Syria, kill a thousand people there. You’ll come experienced and if you’ll kill your compatriots with tens of thousands. Beauty will be.

                      Molodes.
          3. Max_Bauder
            Max_Bauder 10 September 2013 12: 13
            +5
            Do not agree compatriot!

            If Assad didn’t support the people, he wouldn’t hold out so much, and his mercenaries would not defend him like Gaddafi, but ordinary soldiers and officers, citizens of the country who defend the Homeland in the person of Assad, as we defended our own in the face of Stalin in the Second World War, although Stalin also seemed a villain for many foreign.

            Mercenaries just fight against the Syrians, among the opposition of the Syrians 5-10%, and in general you don’t follow the news, there are a lot of videos about this war on the Internet, please correct your literacy in this matter.

            PySy, for me, the true people's choice in history is Napoleon. I’ll give an example when he lived, the end of the 18th and the beginning of the 19th century, in all of Europe the country was ruled by kings and emperors, who were given power exclusively by inheritance, and it didn’t matter if this person had talent and skill in this matter, the main thing is noble origin, the same thing was in the army.
            When, in 1815, during a hundred days, Napoleon escaped from the island of Elba and sailed to the shores of southern France, he did not have two hundred soldiers. And it was ordered that everyone arrest him or even kill him. But no one, you hear, no one tried to kill him, every village met him with a standing ovation and tears and escorted him to Paris to sit on the throne again, the soldiers and officers who ordered him to be killed joined him.
            I like one episode when in one town, soldiers lined up to fire a volley, unarmed Napoleon was walking towards them ... alone, he opened his coat and said: Soldiers! who wants to shoot his general first? to which the soldiers ran in tears to him to hug him.
            Well, tell me which state leader is now so popular? who can also boldly meet death? Are there any such loyal soldiers now?
            Tacto Guys!
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 10 September 2013 12: 20
              -6
              Quote: Max_Bauder
              If only Assad did not support the people

              ..not the people ..... but the Alawites .... well, that is, an insignificant part .... plus the leadership of the army ..
              Quote: Max_Bauder
              how we defended our own in the person of Stalin in World War II, although Stalin


              compared .... in 41 did not fight inside the country .. but reflected external aggression .... and so far, so far no one has attacked Syria ....
              1. aviator_IAS
                aviator_IAS 10 September 2013 23: 13
                +2
                Quote: smersh70
                compared .... in 41 did not fight inside the country .. but reflected external aggression .... and so far, so far no one has attacked Syria ....


                Yes of course. And the hordes of Islamic evil spirits strolled around there simply. All rabble from geyropov and republics of the former Union probably came there for tourist purposes? Many countries are already openly talking about this. Does Allah probably help them with money and weapons? Everyone also knows from what sources all this good is. And after that one must have the audacity to say that the war in Syria is a purely internal conflict!
          4. d_trader
            d_trader 10 September 2013 13: 46
            +1
            Something your flag has changed from Kazakh to mattress striped ...
      2. Tersky
        Tersky 9 September 2013 20: 35
        13
        Quote: Beck
        It is better for Assad not to prepare for war, but to urgently seek a political solution, it will be much more effective than air defense.

        meanwhile, they are looking for him in Washington, because they realized that they are entering into such a mess that does not have a return point. Assad, as seen from the news, didn’t get involved in making a reasonable political decision. MOSCOW, September 9. / ITAR-TASS /. Syria welcomes the initiative of the Russian Federation to transfer chemical weapons facilities under international control. This was stated today by the head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the SAR Walid Muallem. "I listened attentively to Sergey Lavrov's statement about this. In this regard, I declare that Syria welcomes the Russian initiative, proceeding from the concern of the Syrian leadership for the lives of our citizens and the security of our country," he said ...

        “We also welcome the wisdom of the Russian leadership, which is trying to prevent American aggression against our people,” the minister added.

        The Russian Foreign Ministry called on the Syrian leadership not only to agree on placing chemical weapons storage locations under international control, but also on their subsequent destruction, as well as on full accession to the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons.

        Earlier, US Secretary of State John Kerry claimed that Bashar al-Assad has the opportunity to prevent a military operation if he surrenders chemical weapons.

        The UN Secretary General commented on these proposals today. Ban Ki-moon welcomed the statements of Sergey Lavrov and John Kerry. According to the secretary general, he is already considering "a number of proposals" that he intends to submit to the UN Security Council when he will present the conclusions of chemical weapons experts on the alleged attacks.
        http://www.itar-tass.com/c1/870729.html Следующий шаг за Обамой.
        1. Beck
          Beck 10 September 2013 07: 27
          13 th
          Quote: Tersky
          Assad, as seen from the news, didn’t get involved in making a reasonable political decision.


          Assad in order to stop the bloodshed of the civil war, you need to do a simple thing that is regularly done in the whole civilized world, which is done in Russia. We need to hold free, fair elections, that's all. As demanded by the people of Syria 2 years ago in six-month peaceful demonstrations. In response, Assad began to shoot at his people. He began the bloodshed and no one else. Hold elections even with Assad’s participation. Win and flag in his hands on legitimate authority.

          Quote: Tersky
          Syria welcomes the initiative of the Russian Federation to transfer chemical weapons under international control.


          And what is it all of a sudden? If a chemical weapon is under the reliable control of the Assad government, if it has not been used, why should it suddenly be transferred to someone else’s control. This is just a diplomatic trick. And why Assad himself had not done this before, now this question would not have stood at all. This is just a clue from the Kremlin, as everyone understands that if the US strikes an air strike, Assad’s regime will fall. So they sacrifice small things for the sake of maintaining dictatorial power.
          1. GDP
            GDP 10 September 2013 07: 33
            +5
            Assad was already a legitimately elected president. And if we talk about dictators, then the main dictators and enemies of the human race are sitting in Washington ...
          2. aviator_IAS
            aviator_IAS 10 September 2013 09: 30
            +4
            Quote: Beck
            Assad in order to stop the bloodshed of the civil war, you need to do a simple thing that is regularly done in the whole civilized world, which is done in Russia. We need to hold free, fair elections, that's all.


            What the hell are elections? Cannibals do not have not only a political branch, but also more or less sane representatives. They will not sit down at the negotiating table. Customers won't let it. Their task is not only to overthrow Assad, but also to destroy the country. The mass executions in the captured cities speak of this. Now the people of Syria have already understood that any authoritarian government is better than a mess and stands for Assad. Mostly foreign mercenaries are fighting against Saudi money. Do you think they need elections? In Egypt, too, the people grew wiser. We would now live with Mubarak and earn money on tourism. And now there is war and chaos. Western-style democracy in the east is impossible in principle. A completely different mentality. How is Syria different from Qatar and Saudi for example? Is there more democracy there? So this "revolution" paid for by the neighbors is just an excuse to overthrow Assad. The Saudis pay for democratic change fool
            USU. Insanity to the extreme. Then we would have started with ourselves. The Syrians, in addition to everything else, see "successful" examples of countries that have been slightly previously democratized, and therefore they will go all the way.
          3. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 10 September 2013 09: 33
            0
            Quote: Beck
            Free, fair elections should be held, that's all

            he was re-elected elected in 2007
          4. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 10 September 2013 09: 36
            +6
            Quote: Beck
            He began the bloodshed and no one else. Hold elections even with Assad’s participation. The flag will also win in his hands for legitimate authority.


            there will be a thread in a western rag with such a photo and there will be a signature under it, "Dictator Nazarbayev strangling freedom of Kazakhstanis" and do not care that this has nothing to do with reality, and the events in Zhana Uzen have a completely different background, the main thing is that THERE will present it this is how the messengers of goodwill and democracy will fly to you in the form of "tomoghawks".
            1. T80UM1
              T80UM1 10 September 2013 10: 06
              +4
              They gave Nazer a stick in the Kremlin for this suppression, so that he wouldn’t do it anymore, since he creates an occasion for Western friends ...
            2. Beck
              Beck 10 September 2013 14: 11
              -3
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              THERE it will be presented this way and the messengers of goodwill and democracy will fly to you in the form of "tomogavki"


              And what a painful mania? Any event in the world to negatively hang on Kazakhstan. Penguins today in Antarctica are not ugly, which means that birth rates in Kazakhstan have fallen.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 10 September 2013 15: 00
                +5
                Quote: Beck
                And what a painful mania? Any event in the world negatively hang on Kazakhstan

                Bek you are friends with the head? !!!!
                you are shown with examples how events can be remade.
                with the same success we can say that the dispersal of fag in St. Petersburg is a manifestation of despotism against the will of the Russians.
                I gave the RK in the example especially for you, so that you would try on your own rags.

                p / s / thought you were smarter
                1. Beck
                  Beck 11 September 2013 01: 43
                  -1
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  you are shown with examples how events can be remade.


                  What are some examples. These are your inventions about conspiracies of the West, Zionists, aliens and still know whom.

                  I would not shoot Assad people and there would be no current situation. So answer, specifically, that Pol Pot also did not need to be removed?
                2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 11 September 2013 09: 13
                  +2
                  Quote: Beck
                  So answer, specifically, that Pol Pot also did not need to be removed?

                  specifically sorry for the rudeness of the back you are stubborn like a ram.
                  if the "people" go out into the street with weapons, then they will definitely shoot at them as well as they, Pol Pot is out of place here, other examples are appropriate here Yugoslavia Iraq Libya
                3. Beck
                  Beck 11 September 2013 10: 49
                  -1
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  specifically sorry for the rudeness of the back you are stubborn like a ram.


                  Never mind. Why to forgive or not to forgive any dog ​​that gnaws a bony bone and sprinkles every stump. (This is ours with a brush, for shamelessness)

                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Pol Pot is out of place here; other examples of Yugoslavia Iraq Libya are appropriate


                  How out of place. Pol Pot seized power by force. And Assad by force. Pol Pot killed his people. And Assad is killing. Pol Pot did not want to give up his power. And Assad does not want to. What other parallels do you need?

                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  other examples of Yugoslavia are relevant here Iraq Libya


                  And what about Iraq and Libya? These states live without the thrown dictators of Hussein and Gaddafi, that's all, life is getting better. They live under elected authority. I remember how you shouted together with Urashniki that the independence of Iraq and Libya came to an end, they became puppets of the United States, that the United States pumped oil and gas for free. Well, where is this addiction?

                  How could the Iraqi government give a concession for the development of oil fields in Iraqi Kurdistan to Russian Lukoil? How? Not to the amers who dictate everything in Iraq, but to the Russians. How dare the Iraqi puppet government buy weapons for $ 3 billion not from the United States, but from Russia?

                  Libya. How the Urashniks screamed that after the fall of Gaddafi, the power of Islamic extremists would be established in Libya. But secular parties won the free elections in Libya. And the Libyan government is independent in its decisions. They sell their gas to Europe themselves, and do not give it to the United States. Yes, and the United States launched the production of its shale gas. HOW DID the Libyan government, if it is the US satellite, oppose air raids on Syria. And do not speak quietly, but in public. Yesterday's joint press conference of the Ministers of Foreign Affairs of Russia and Libya is proof of this. Where both sides condemned the upcoming airstrikes on Syria.
                4. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 11 September 2013 11: 43
                  +1
                  Quote: Beck
                  These states live without the thrown dictators of Hussein and Gadaffi, that's all, I’m setting up my life

                  you are really either stubborn or stupid, especially if you write about Iraq, there during the time, "freedom" and "democracy" died more than during the entire reign of the damned dictator
                  Quote: Beck
                  How the Urashniks screamed that after the fall of Gaddafi, the power of Islamic extremists would be established in Libya. But secular parties won Libyan free elections

                  beck you really are not very smart if you bring Iraq and Libya as an example of the victory of democracy, there’s no point in arguing further
                5. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 11 September 2013 12: 00
                  0
                  Quote: Beck
                  And Assad by force

                  better keep quiet for a smart get off before you write nonsense at least read something on the topic
  • domokl
    domokl 9 September 2013 20: 37
    15
    Quote: Beck
    Shooting down the Tomahawks is to start a big war with the States.

    According to the maritime code, the commander of a ship has the right and must, in the event of shelling of his ship, take measures to repulse the attack and destroy the enemy. Moreover, if the attack is carried out in neutral waters, such actions are not a declaration of war.
    So no one will fight with anyone ... There will be a concrete showdown in the Mediterranean and nothing more.
    1. fero
      fero 9 September 2013 21: 40
      +4
      And do not throw a link to this document (Maritime Code) where you wrote all of the above?
      I didn’t find anything like that in the Maritime Code of the Russian Federation .. maybe I’m not looking there?
    2. MG42
      MG42 9 September 2013 23: 22
      +2
      Quote: domokl
      According to the maritime code, the commander of a ship has the right and must, in the event of shelling of his ship, take measures to repulse the attack and destroy the enemy. Moreover, if the attack is carried out in neutral waters, such actions are not a declaration of war.
      So no one will fight with anyone ... There will be a concrete showdown in the Mediterranean and only


      Those. if you sink a warship in neutral waters, it will not be considered a declaration of war, but just a showdown?

      I remembered the Caribbean crisis there, the Americans blocked Cuba and there were many misunderstandings from the war with the USSR.
    3. AVV
      AVV 9 September 2013 23: 35
      0
      And the cruiser Moscow will be very, very helpful there !!!
    4. Hort
      Hort 10 September 2013 07: 19
      0
      any aircraft or sea vessel is legally considered the territory of the state where it is registered or under what flag it flies / flies. So aggression attack on the ship will be considered even more
  • yurii p
    yurii p 9 September 2013 21: 17
    -4
    it looks like you are from the fifth column.
  • Docent1984
    Docent1984 9 September 2013 21: 22
    11
    You are mistaken, dear. Shooting down rockets and shooting down planes are two big differences. Only frank ones can start a war in response to shot down missiles flying over warships. Amerikosy, of course, claim this role, but not as much ... And if so, then such a fate. Sooner or later, you still have to.
  • igor.borov775
    igor.borov775 10 September 2013 06: 15
    0
    Something the militants are not in a hurry for the peace process, You can write that Assad needs a dictator to look for such people, And the militants know very well that they will endure a complete fiasco, And this is the main reason, you think the democrats don’t know, A lot of money that they themselves can’t carry the load of those problems that are created by the so-called revolutionaries, It’s not for nothing that all eyes turned to the main defender of democracy, he is already moving his armada with might and main,
  • alone
    alone 9 September 2013 21: 19
    +9
    wassat
    Quote: Canep
    The Russian fleet will line up along the coast and will bring down all the tomahawks approaching them from the sea, the Syrians will only have to shoot down American planes. So I suppose this war will take place. Such a development justifies the presence of amphibious ships there in large numbers. Cruisers and destroyers will receive a formal reason to shoot down missiles approaching the BDK.


    wassat wassat eh here already and three hundred drops of valerian will not help. Will I get drunk chtoli?))))))))
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 9 September 2013 21: 52
      +1
      Yes, he anneals, but he anneals from the heart.
  • tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 9 September 2013 21: 50
    +4
    Not a minus, but you and your rank should be ashamed to write such nonsense.
  • RUSSIA 2013
    RUSSIA 2013 10 September 2013 06: 32
    +1
    Quote: Canep
    The Russian fleet will line up along the coast and will bring down all the tomahawks approaching them from the sea, the Syrians will only have to shoot down American planes. So I suppose this war will take place. Such a development justifies the presence of amphibious ships there in large numbers. Cruisers and destroyers will receive a formal reason to shoot down missiles approaching the BDK.

    You are wrong, BDK I am present there is a fact, BDK (Large landing ship), serves to deliver the landing, as well as in its holds, you can safely place an important load, that is, to deliver, we all know the game of a thimble, three thimbles must be guessed where is the ball (in this case, the military load for Syria) why there are so many BDKs, I think it’s easier to hide our aid to the Syrian State for the sake of safety and security.
  • goldfinger
    goldfinger 9 September 2013 18: 54
    20 th
    Arabs for almost 60 years with a bang lost all the wars in their region. Of these, only six are Israel. I’m silent about the States. As if the Syrians were not gaining air in their chests and knocking on it, the outcome is clear. For any, the best technology, you need technical training. Otherwise, it is a pile of scrap metal. The Arabs have a big strain with this. Shooting from around the corner at everything that moves - you do not need super-skills. Even
    in my opinion, a more complex technique was not applied. Around the peaceful population. If Assad does not agree to political decisions, which, he knows best, this problem - he is doomed. There is no need to rely on air defense. There were hundreds, thousands of our specialists in Vietnam. That is why the Phantoms were shot down. Now the technique is even more complicated. Your specialists are not there, unfortunately, and maybe for the best. Time will tell.
    1. domokl
      domokl 9 September 2013 19: 04
      25
      Quote: goldfinger
      . If Assad does not make political decisions, which, he knows best, of this problem - it is doomed

      In what way ... With a sore head and a healthy one. Assad is to blame? He, incidentally, is the country's legitimate president and people, judging by the results of the military confrontation, supports him.
      In general, what kind of political decision can be discussed? Negotiations with terrorists and bandits? Tell me at least one country 9 of those who are now shouting about the negotiations and their need, 0, which would at least once conduct such negotiations.
      1. recrut6666
        recrut6666 9 September 2013 19: 31
        76 th
        Yes, but only 20 percent of his compatriots support him, the remaining 80 percent are already storming Damascus! And even an advantage in heavy equipment, aviation does not save him! he just has little infantry.
        1. kot11180
          kot11180 9 September 2013 20: 11
          29
          20 per cent? where are these numbers from? from the dermocratic western press? if it were so in fact - the Syrian army really would not have enough infantry, 80 percent of the population and still a crowd of garbage from different countries, but it would hit the enemy throughout the country. you need to speak somewhere in the us congress, or in london
          1. alone
            alone 9 September 2013 21: 27
            -2
            Have you ever heard for 2,5 years at least one information that the Syrian army launched offensive operations simultaneously in all directions?
            don’t look, there wasn’t such a thing. I have been hearing for almost two years that the Syrian army has been fighting for deraa, homs, aleppo. with the full support of the people, how much can one city of a whole army resist? judging by the Chechen campaigns, two months on the strength, no more. if the people and the army were for power, why would they need the Shiites of Iran, Iraq, and Hezbollah units. If such a great superiority of power would they take such a step to use third forces? Asad lacks strength .on in its struggle relies only on the Alawites and Shiites. There is no confidence in the Sunnis.
            1. tilovaykrisa
              tilovaykrisa 9 September 2013 21: 57
              +6
              Do not repeat, this will not change anything, it is clear to everyone adequate on the forum that the SAR Armed Forces are tired and lacking mob.resource, but this does not cancel their courage and stamina in the fight against interventionists. We can only help them.
            2. igor.borov775
              igor.borov775 10 September 2013 06: 56
              0
              What he mutters about, there are fights in cities and that everything needs to be destroyed I don’t know what you are better than fascists. For information during World War II, our cities didn’t bomb their cities, they just somehow forgot all this, they were taken only by infantry and tank units, read orders from those times The stations threshed, Yes, and how do you know for sure that the Sunnis do not have trust, there is a very large Congorate of peoples and there is no need to drive a wave, In order to write this, you need to know that the borders of peaceful Syria were free, they were guarded by local police and there were no problems to leave, And two years ago this openness played a bloody bath, The militants calmly concentrated where it was decided, The slaughter that they unleashed even the Syrians themselves could not understand who it was from for them it was a shock, But they were able to organize and began to fight back, And they remained so with the borders open, there were long battles for control on the border with Turkey forgot the Turks were very tense to not let the Syrians do what they wanted, Hardly but done, And now you can understand the patrons the army decided to return control precisely at the borders from here and the appeal of all friends to the Yankees will clearly close the fighters for democracy,
              1. alone
                alone 10 September 2013 16: 34
                +1
                Igor, but is everything in the cities? all quarters are in ruins. 70% of the population are Sunnis, only Alawites, Shiites from other countries and rebel units, which are directly under his personal control, are fighting for Assad.
                Quote: igor.borov775
                And two years ago this openness played a bloody bath, The militants calmly concentrated where it was decided, The slaughter that they unleashed even the Syrians themselves could not understand who it was from for them it was a shock, But they were able to organize and began to fight back, And with the borders so remained open, battles for control on the border with Turkey went on for a long time, they forgot the Turks were very tense in order not to let the Syrians do what they wanted, they could hardly do it, and now we can understand the patrons the army decided to regain control at the borders from here and all friends turned to the Yankees the fighters for democracy will also be closed

                events began in 2011. The first Wahhabis began to arrive a year later. For a year, everything could be closed tightly, not closed.
                Quote: igor.borov775
                And how do you know for sure that the Sunnis have no trust,


                I, as a Muslim, are better than you know in which Muslim countries how they relate to one or another current of Islam
            3. 31231
              31231 10 September 2013 16: 18
              0
              In Chechnya, as it were, there was a larger resource. And the ammunition did not spare on leveling the cities. Assad has hundreds of times more modest opportunities.
          2. yurii p
            yurii p 9 September 2013 21: 27
            +1
            no, why not send it so far, apparently he is from Israel, he gives such figures, apparently he is in the very center of events, probably he conducted a survey of the population controlled by al-Qaeda, and they do not have progressive views on human life, just like a ram.
        2. S-200
          S-200 9 September 2013 20: 17
          +3
          Quote: recrut6666
          Yes, but only 20 percent of his compatriots support him, the remaining 80 percent are already storming Damascus! And even an advantage in heavy equipment, aviation does not save him! he just has little infantry.

          When Damascus "his tribesmen" will take, then we will calculate how much %% Remained against ... crying
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        4. Tersky
          Tersky 9 September 2013 22: 09
          10
          Quote: recrut6666
          the remaining 80 percent are already storming Damascus!

          Yeah, one of 80% of the "storming" has already stormed out, 79,9 are left. (Syrian tankers shot the grenade launcher), so forward, the ranks of the storming people are thinning without you
          1. Apologet.Ru
            Apologet.Ru 9 September 2013 23: 18
            +4
            hi
            Well done tank crews good , arranged a photo shoot named after Alah-Akbar (a) am .
          2. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 10 September 2013 06: 14
            +3
            handsome tankmen ... good
          3. eplewke
            eplewke 10 September 2013 16: 42
            0
            shattered into pieces ...
        5. 1c-inform-city
          1c-inform-city 10 September 2013 12: 33
          0
          Only the National Guard is involved in a showdown with the militants. The army practically does not take part in the conflict. In general, 2x forces participate in the mess. divisions. Therefore, they do not always have time and everywhere. If the army is connected, the cities will be completely destroyed and tomahawks will not be needed.
        6. 31231
          31231 10 September 2013 16: 15
          +1
          this is annealing !!!!! barely climbed out from under the table. you were not invited to the transfer to Petrosyan?
      2. goldfinger
        goldfinger 9 September 2013 19: 49
        17 th
        I did not mean any bandits. The most active part in the conflict, allegedly from the outside, is taken by Iran, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, etc. by the list. Even the USA. I did not read about the ban on contacts between Syria and the USA. And then went in cycles, Assad - bandits.
        1. goldfinger
          goldfinger 9 September 2013 20: 09
          +8
          One of Assad's demands is the destruction of chemical weapons. What, he can't guarantee it? The heat may break. Now, for the fading of the war, at least - all means are good. And "warlike" fans of shooters, war is always nicer. Especially by someone else's hands, and in someone else's territory. Very convenient for popcorn! And it looks so cool on TV!
          1. domokl
            domokl 9 September 2013 20: 28
            15
            Quote: goldfinger
            One of Assad’s demands is the destruction of chemical weapons

            You are an interesting person. You feel from a country close to Syria. The only question is for you: Why should Assad destroy chemical weapons? Who has the right to demand something from the sovereign country? Does Syria violate any treaties? Why does Israel have atomic weapons then? without entering into any agreements? Has and scored for the whole world. And the whole world suffers.
            Quote: goldfinger
            And "warlike" fans of shooters, war is always nicer. Especially by someone else's hands, and in someone else's territory. Very convenient for popcorn!

            In Russia, and indeed in the countries of the former USSR, it’s not very popular at home to eat TV at home. It’s not customary with us. So this is more for Americans.
            1. aviator_IAS
              aviator_IAS 10 September 2013 00: 21
              +3
              Quote: domokl
              You are an interesting person. You feel from a country close to Syria. The only question is for you: Why should Assad destroy chemical weapons? Who has the right to demand something from the sovereign country? Does Syria violate any treaties? Why does Israel have atomic weapons then? without entering into any agreements? Has and scored for the whole world. And the whole world suffers.


              Because now it is really useless. They can’t fight. And there are many problems from him. Protect it from different sizes. I think Assad is not d u r a k, and easily get rid of it. What will deprive Obama of fake trump cards from his sleeve.
          2. NEMO
            NEMO 9 September 2013 20: 44
            +4
            Quote: goldfinger
            One of Assad's demands is the destruction of chemical weapons. What, he can't guarantee it? The heat may break. Now, for the fading of the war, at least - all means are good. And "warlike" fans of shooters, war is always nicer. Especially by someone else's hands, and in someone else's territory. Very convenient for popcorn! And it looks so cool on TV!

            "If international control over chemical weapons in Syria makes it possible to avoid a military strike on this country, Russia is ready to immediately get involved in work in this direction," said Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov on September 9, 2013.
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          3. GDP
            GDP 9 September 2013 21: 02
            +4
            Assad should get rid of chemical weapons as quickly as possible and with the greatest fanfare, for him this will be only a plus!
            1. yurii p
              yurii p 9 September 2013 21: 35
              +6
              then the West will accuse him of being Arab or of hatred of cats and the tale of the white bull is repeated again, although Krylov’s fable about the wolf and the lamb is applicable here.
              1. igor.borov775
                igor.borov775 10 September 2013 07: 04
                +2
                Well done removed from hand what YOU wrote, Absolutely to the point Everyone needs control over the transport pipelines from Iraq and Iran, This is the same dog that is buried in Syria, Only from this some other evil spirits will be announced,
            2. tilovaykrisa
              tilovaykrisa 9 September 2013 21: 58
              +3
              This will be 100% death, as did Gaddafi, his fate is known.
              1. Very old
                Very old 9 September 2013 22: 03
                +1
                Unfortunately, not everyone wants to understand this. Fly in the clouds, throw themselves with slogans
              2. aviator_IAS
                aviator_IAS 10 September 2013 00: 41
                +3
                Quote: tilovaykrisa
                This will be 100% death, as did Gaddafi, his fate is known.


                The role of chemical weapons as a deterrent, I think is exaggerated. It is effective primarily against civilians without means of defense and a developed civil defense system. It does not frighten or limit Obama at all. Another thing is nuclear weapons. The Nobel peacekeeper would not go against such trump cards. The policy of the Americans is pushing small countries to develop nuclear weapons, because this is the only deterrent. The world naturally will not become safer from this.
            3. redwolf_13
              redwolf_13 10 September 2013 02: 42
              0
              And what and how did it help Iraq? Which showed everyone that he did not have American chemical weapons supplied to him by Bush senior. America said: "We don't believe!" and hit Iraq. You need oil to transport oil and a compliant government. And if you have chemical weapons or something else, it no longer touches anyone.
        2. eplewke
          eplewke 10 September 2013 16: 44
          0
          Quote: goldfinger
          I did not mean any bandits. The most active part in the conflict, allegedly from the outside, is taken by Iran, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, etc. by the list. Even the USA. I did not read about the ban on contacts between Syria and the USA. And then went in cycles, Assad - bandits.

          go to sleep ... you are talking nonsense !!!
      3. zennon
        zennon 9 September 2013 21: 33
        27 th
        people, judging by the results of the military confrontation, support him.

        Judging by the results of the confrontation in Syria, there is a civil war. They talk about more than 100 dead. It is unlikely that they are lying. Another big question is whether we need to support Assad. Yes, honor above all, we don’t abandon our horses, at the crossing and so on, but all the same, is Assad really right and his opponents wrong? Agree, we have not enough information ...
        1. Very old
          Very old 9 September 2013 22: 07
          +3
          There is USA. And as long as they exist, it will be like at your photo exhibition.
        2. Very old
          Very old 9 September 2013 22: 26
          -1
          Andrei, do you know what genocide is?
          1. zennon
            zennon 9 September 2013 23: 35
            0
            Andrei, do you know what genocide is?

            If the question is for me, then yes, I know. Genocide is an action to destroy the population in a particular territory on a certain basis / signs. Like racial, ethnic, property, religious, estate, even age! Beating babies for example. Genocide is recognized as such. if the act meets three signs:
            1. The existence of a destruction plan.
            2. A documented order of destruction.
            3. A documented execution report.
            In our history, the absolute example of genocide is the destruction of the Cossacks in the 20s. And what?
        3. Russ69
          Russ69 10 September 2013 00: 00
          +5
          Quote: zennon
          . Another big question is whether we need to support Assad.
          And this photo is not from the series that the United States presented as evidence, but it turned out that it was shot in 2003 in Iraq, as a result of crap. But this is of course a trifle .... smile
          1. zennon
            zennon 10 September 2013 00: 15
            0
            But this is of course a trifle ....

            Except for a trifle. This was demonstrated by Assad's representatives to Western zhurnalyugam as evidence of the atrocities of the opponents.
        4. 31231
          31231 10 September 2013 16: 30
          -1
          You probably don't have enough. For me, it is clearly visible that on the part of the opposition there are entirely Sunni youngsters, called hamsters in our country + mercenaries frostbitten Wahi. In the SAR, there are mature calm men who are not screaming about and without "Alakhakbar". Maybe you have problems with vision?
      4. Beck
        Beck 10 September 2013 07: 49
        -5
        Quote: domokl
        He, incidentally, is the country's legitimate president and people, judging by the results of the military confrontation, supports him.


        I respect the opinions of others, but not outright nonsense. At least before such a statement, you would leaf through the literature of the question.

        Hafez Assad seized power by a military coup. He inherited it to his son Bashar. And no elections have been held since the time of Hafez in Syria. And only the elections give legitimate power. With the same success, the power of the cannibal Bokassa can be recognized as legal.
        1. eplewke
          eplewke 10 September 2013 16: 48
          0
          Quote: Beck
          Quote: domokl
          He, incidentally, is the country's legitimate president and people, judging by the results of the military confrontation, supports him.


          I respect the opinions of others, but not outright nonsense. At least before such a statement, you would leaf through the literature of the question.

          Hafez Assad seized power by a military coup. He inherited it to his son Bashar. And no elections have been held since the time of Hafez in Syria. And only the elections give legitimate power. With the same success, the power of the cannibal Bokassa can be recognized as legal.


          Why aren’t you bombing Saudi Arabia ??? Or Qatar ?? Assad at least pretended to hold the election. And there is a complete monarchy. Or is everything okay with democracy ??? Or are they not chopping off hands for petty theft? Or are they not massively shot in public, who is against the government ???? AND???
          1. Very old
            Very old 12 September 2013 15: 58
            0
            You can’t bomb it. Where can I get oil then? AND YOURSELF - These are our bitches
      5. Beck
        Beck 10 September 2013 13: 51
        +2
        Quote: domokl
        He, incidentally, is the country's legitimate president and people, judging by the results of the military confrontation, supports him


        He is illegal. His father took power by a military coup and handed over to his son. And there was no ELECTIONS no alternative referendum. There was nothing to choose from.

        In two years, 100 people died. Roughly take 000 of these soldiers, 50 opposition. And that 50 thousand dead Syrians are not Syrians, but all mercenaries and Islamists? Here, the site already provided data on the killed foreigners in Syria. In proportion to all those killed, they are less than 50%. Hence, accordingly, only 10 percent of all trash are fighting against Assad, the remaining 10% are Syrians.
        1. eplewke
          eplewke 10 September 2013 16: 52
          0
          Quote: Beck
          Quote: domokl
          He, incidentally, is the country's legitimate president and people, judging by the results of the military confrontation, supports him


          He is illegal. His father took power by a military coup and handed over to his son. And there was no ELECTIONS no alternative referendum. There was nothing to choose from.

          In two years, 100 people died. Roughly take 000 of these soldiers, 50 opposition. And that 50 thousand dead Syrians are not Syrians, but all mercenaries and Islamists? Here, the site already provided data on the killed foreigners in Syria. In proportion to all those killed, they are less than 50%. Hence, accordingly, only 10 percent of all trash are fighting against Assad, the remaining 10% are Syrians.

          10 percent say trash ??? Do you generally conduct informational training before writing comments ??? Then why almost every third dead oppositionist with an erudite face adored beyond recognition ??? Why were several battle camps built in Qatar and Jordan in 2 years? Why in daraya and al-kuseir, al-kabun graffiti in 30 languages ​​of the world ???? AND?? And why are there about 200 disgraced Chechens fighting there?
          1. Beck
            Beck 11 September 2013 01: 56
            -2
            Quote: eplewke
            Why aren’t you bombing Saudi Arabia ??? Or Qatar ??


            There are different state systems. Saudi Arabia and Qatar are echoes of a past era. There is a constitutional monarchy. But under monarchies no elections are provided. If the Saudi king shoots his people like Assad, the international community will also intervene.

            Quote: eplewke
            10 percent say trash ???


            About 10.

            Quote: eplewke
            Then why almost every third dead oppositionist with an erudite face adored beyond recognition ???


            Where did you get this from? Have you thought up something?

            Quote: eplewke
            Why were several battle camps built in Qatar and Jordan in 2 years?


            Because to train those civilians who do not agree with the dictatorship, the possession of weapons. International brigades in 1936, before going to fight with the dictator Franco, also underwent training in the camps. And of course there are Islamic-Orthodox camps, but they do not make the weather. 90% of those fighting against Assad are Syrians.

            Quote: eplewke
            And why are there about 200 disgraced Chechens fighting there?


            How do I know. Wanted and drove off. You, too, no one bothers to go to fight for Assad.
            1. eplewke
              eplewke 11 September 2013 09: 59
              0
              yeah ... your knowledge of business and the provision of information surprise me ... Who is it that presents you with information ??? In less would have watched CNN and the BBC. There are tons of videos on the Internet. Check out the anna-news channel to get started. These guys have been providing quality material there for two years.
              1. Beck
                Beck 11 September 2013 10: 22
                -1
                Quote: eplewke
                Less would have watched CNN and BBC

                Quote: eplewke
                Check out the anna-news channel to get started


                I am a Soviet man, it means an elderly person and I have never watched these BBC and other things. I don’t own the Internet in order to search for something on the links.

                I proceed from human relationships. The villain must be punished. The dictator is biased.
                1. Cynic
                  Cynic 11 September 2013 10: 31
                  0
                  Quote: Beck
                  I am a Soviet man, it means an elderly person and I have never watched these BBC and other things. I don’t own the Internet in order to search for something on the links.

                  1000
                  And while you do not have a neighboring flag
                  drinks
                  And then the Soviet man is Soviet, and Sharia is separate.
                  1. Beck
                    Beck 11 September 2013 11: 02
                    -1
                    Quote: Cynic
                    And then the Soviet man is Soviet, and Sharia is separate.


                    What is this for? I am not a pure believer.

                    Quote: Cynic
                    So a priori there is no democracy


                    Well, what are you doing? Monarchies and democracies are two different poles. But the era of monarchies is passing.

                    Quote: Cynic
                    Do you want to say for the whole vast history there were no bloody showdowns there?


                    I didn’t even think of suggesting such a thing. These are your thoughts with the desire to ascribe to me such a vision. And then you will answer your own thoughts.
                    1. Cynic
                      Cynic 11 September 2013 11: 31
                      +1
                      Quote: Beck
                      I didn’t even think of suggesting such a thing. These are your thoughts with the desire to ascribe to me such a vision. And then you will answer your own thoughts.

                      Mine or yours?
                      Quote: Beck
                      . If the Saudi king shoots his people like Assad, the international community will also intervene.

                      And what, the international community, in the face of the USA, intervened?
                      You can’t wash off a black dog.

                      Caught when searching wink
                      According to American estimates, the number of Syrian rebels is approximately 100 thousand people, of which up to 25 percent may belong to extremist groups.

                      http://www.itar-tass.com/c1/872407.html
                    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 11 September 2013 11: 50
                      0
                      Quote: Beck
                      Well, what are you doing? Monarchies and democracies are two different poles. But the era of monarchies is passing

                      how is everything running?
                    3. Cynic
                      Cynic 11 September 2013 11: 59
                      0
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      how is everything running?

                      This is at what angle to look!
                      If you believe the great, then the most perfect system of government is the monarchy.
                    4. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 11 September 2013 12: 01
                      0
                      I'm actually a staunch monarchist
                    5. Cynic
                      Cynic 11 September 2013 12: 05
                      0
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      I'm actually a staunch monarchist

                      It is now very difficult for them to be, and the conversation is not about rampant democracy.
                      Monarchs they are different.
                      But you look at the current ones and come to a quiet bewilderment.
                    6. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 11 September 2013 12: 23
                      0
                      Quote: Cynic
                      It is very difficult for them to be

                      Why?
                    7. Cynic
                      Cynic 11 September 2013 12: 51
                      0
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Why?

                      Quote: Cynic
                      Monarchs they are different.
                      But you look at the current ones and come to a quiet bewilderment.
  • Cynic
    Cynic 11 September 2013 10: 25
    0
    Quote: Beck
    How do I know. Wanted and drove off.

    Continuing to entertain dear Beck?
    Let me join too.
    Quote: Beck
    But under monarchies no elections are provided. If the Saudi king shoots his people like Assad, the international community will also intervene.

    So a priori there is no democracy there, and you want to say that throughout the vast history there were no bloody showdowns there?
    You didn’t mention about Qatar correctly, just recently the US marines had to save the legitimate monarchs.
    wink
  • dmitry_den
    dmitry_den 9 September 2013 21: 40
    +2
    Israel has little time to be proud of its mythical victories .. after the states get on the nose they will have to wander around the world again in search of refuge
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 9 September 2013 21: 59
      +7
      They are not in the first, this is the most tenacious nomadic tribe in the world, even dichlorvos does not take them.
      1. dmitry_den
        dmitry_den 9 September 2013 22: 38
        -2
        you are mistaken ... Cyclone-B very correctly performed the task
        1. zennon
          zennon 9 September 2013 23: 01
          +5
          you are mistaken ... Cyclone-B very correctly performed the task

          He still performs it perfectly! Excellent insecticide. It is used against blood-sucking insects. The German and Finnish army bought it in tons. They fumigate fox holes, barns. It is produced at the same plant in Koblenz, where it used to be. That's just now called "Hurricane" ...
  • Apologet.Ru
    Apologet.Ru 9 September 2013 18: 58
    57
    hi
    It must be understood that the Syrian command is very intelligent men.

    The other day on the same site I watched an interview with a Russian military (non-military) journalist who had just arrived from Damascus (unfortunately, I did not remember his last name).
    Answering the questions of the host, he very frankly hinted that Syria’s air defense is being built by Russian specialist advisers, who are quite enough there and who perfectly know all the possibilities, difficulties and features of building an air defense system in that area, taking into account the possible construction and actions of the invading forces P. Hindustan and its allies.
    So there will not be any amateur performances there, which inspires a certain certainty, deep and sincere GRATITUDE to these truly brave people and true patriots of Russia (unlike this whole current Swamp riffraff) ...
    1. domokl
      domokl 9 September 2013 19: 07
      15
      Quote: Apologet.Ru
      So there will not be any amateur performances there

      obsolete does not mean not effective. In skillful hands, even a stick knocks down helicopters. The main thing is that the strikes should not be sudden. And judging by the presence of our reconnaissance ships this will not happen.
      1. Airman
        Airman 9 September 2013 19: 51
        +1
        Quote: domokl

        obsolete does not mean not effective. In skillful hands, even a stick knocks down helicopters. The main thing is that the strikes should not be sudden. And judging by the presence of our reconnaissance ships this will not happen.

        At the G-20 summit, a policeman hit with a stick a UFO - a flying Chinese lantern.
      2. GDP
        GDP 9 September 2013 21: 13
        +4
        Tomogawk is a low-altitude subsonic missile flying on the 0,5 0,75 Mach. It gets off absolutely to everything that is possible from MANPADS to Shilka, the main thing is to find it, with such a high air defense density in Syria, even if it’s obsolete, this is not a problem, it’s not a iskander that rushes at a speed of more than 2000 km per hour along a quasibalistic path ... Here jammers are worrying. I am not an expert in this, but it still seems to me that the radius of jamming systems should be small and the planes that can use them themselves can become a target for 200, before they can interfere with them ...
        1. alone
          alone 9 September 2013 21: 33
          +2
          half of the country is beyond the control of the authorities. And what density are we talking about? When attacking Syria, powerful electronic warfare systems will be used, and most of the above systems will just look at the sky.
          1. tilovaykrisa
            tilovaykrisa 9 September 2013 22: 00
            +1
            Tomimki even shot down 50g.v. from the back of the hill, the question is whether there will be infa from where Tomiki fly, I think it will.
        2. gunnerminer
          gunnerminer 9 September 2013 22: 25
          +2
          The relatively low flight speed of the Tomahawk will be compensated by the mass of missiles in the salvo and the frequency of use, as well as the concentration of attacks on a limited number of opened targets, the active use of electronic warfare equipment, especially active ones.
          1. GDP
            GDP 10 September 2013 07: 23
            +2
            what mass is there at tomahawks - one and a half lem apiece? This is not nurses for you ...
            1. gunnerminer
              gunnerminer 10 September 2013 10: 44
              +1
              what mass is there at tomahawks - one and a half lem apiece? This is not nurses for you ...


              Each year the storage and maintenance of missiles on a carrier or base is reduced by about 10%. In addition, the production price of Tomahawk missiles is significantly offset by the placement of the funds of the Russian Government stabilization fund in US securities, bank deposits of members of the Council of Federations of the Russian Federation, State Duma deputies, regional and federal level of the Russian Federation, members of their families and immediate relatives, creative intelligentsia and representatives of show business, major criminal authorities.
              1. 31231
                31231 10 September 2013 16: 40
                0
                How how?! The price is reduced by 10% ?! You must have beguiled something ?! This is when second-hand goods are sold to other countries, then depreciation is considered, here the full price flies out of the launch container.
        3. smersh70
          smersh70 9 September 2013 22: 58
          -4
          Quote: GDP
          with such a high density of air defense in Syria,




          except for these C-125 .....
          1. S-200
            S-200 9 September 2013 23: 44
            11
            Quote: smersh70
            except for these C-125 .....

            What I saw in this video:
            - The model of the S-75 air defense missile on the TZM semi-trailer at the evacuated position of the TDN ... was used to train the calculations of the TDN
            plates of antennas from the receiving and transmitting cabin of the missile guidance station SNR-75
            - Abandoned unnecessary empty KUNGs in which all trash was stored ...
            - trash simulating ZRDN + TDN S-75 as a false position
            Yeah .... LARGE TROPHIES! wassat
            stupid bearded allahakbarians negative
            1. MG42
              MG42 9 September 2013 23: 51
              +3
              And here is the dummy s-75 captured?
              1. Russ69
                Russ69 10 September 2013 00: 08
                +4
                Quote: MG42
                And here is the dummy s-75 captured?
                At the very beginning of the war, there were reports of captured air defense positions. What was, was ...
                Now the army has hardened, and at the beginning both betrayal and desertion were present. Part of the air defense is of course lost, the question is what?
                1. MG42
                  MG42 10 September 2013 00: 16
                  +3
                  Quote: Russ69
                  Part of the air defense is of course lost, the question is what?

                  Here, too, do not dummies, I don’t know the truth = where is it written that under Damascus?
                  1. S-200
                    S-200 10 September 2013 00: 38
                    0
                    the old PU S-125 for 2 missiles, the antenna post on the hill is incomprehensible ...
                    KUNG insides are not shown ..
              2. S-200
                S-200 10 September 2013 00: 15
                +1
                No, it looks like a war rocket ...
                And CHP-75 away too ...
                It seems to have captured a fighting position ...
                It turned out that ONLY one launcher with a missile ... there should be 6 of them, but at the position + TZMok based on Zil truck tractors, 131 pieces are eleven ...
                Asadovites threw this old S-75 burden, it takes a long time to turn it around, deploy it ..
                Let them now read the Combat Manual and master the captured equipment! wassat
                If they learn how to monitor the functioning and routine maintenance, then maybe missiles can launch to self-liquidate it ... wassat
                Well, WHERE are the captured (destroyed) MOBILE air defense systems ???
                At least 1 "Shchilka" was captured ... it is too tough for them! )))
                1. MG42
                  MG42 10 September 2013 00: 26
                  +3
                  Yes, this is the main position zrdn .. It is clear that these complexes have disabled, but that there is a monkey with a grenade?
                  SSA captured the OSA air defense system >>
                  1. studentmati
                    studentmati 10 September 2013 00: 32
                    0
                    Capture in itself does not mean the possibility of using the complex for its intended purpose. The complex is not complex, but nevertheless requires some special training.
                    1. MG42
                      MG42 10 September 2013 00: 37
                      +4
                      For Assad, these complexes are lost ..
                      I'm talking about a monkey with a grenade, there is a video that a multiple launch rocket launcher <grad> has been captured in Syria, and one will climb into the cockpit and .. boom ..
                  2. S-200
                    S-200 10 September 2013 00: 42
                    0
                    how they happily become cancer ..... wassat
                    we have only women ... wink
                    and what will they continue to ride on the shaitan-arba to do with it? request
                    1. studentmati
                      studentmati 10 September 2013 00: 47
                      0
                      Quote: S-200
                      how they happily become cancer ..... wassat
                      we have only women ...


                      Nobody is getting any way .... No matter how much Amers wouldn’t want to ...
                2. smersh70
                  smersh70 10 September 2013 09: 29
                  0
                  Quote: S-200
                  At least 1 Shchilka was captured

                  Quote: S-200
                  At least 1 Shchilka was captured

                  1. eplewke
                    eplewke 10 September 2013 17: 02
                    0
                    It’s not the same thing to capture. How many industrial tokens on the site have activated ... oh my god ...
                3. smersh70
                  smersh70 10 September 2013 09: 45
                  +5
                  Quote: S-200
                  At least 1 "Shchilka" was captured ... it is too tough for them! )))



                  ..if I say ... then I am always responsible for my words - and now look at the COLUMN of bearded armored vehicles --- and at 1.17 minutes, as many as 2 SHIELDS .... hi
                  1. S-200
                    S-200 10 September 2013 11: 30
                    0
                    Drawn like a parade in front of the camera ...
                    Not a lot of equipment was captured, in my opinion, Assad had another one and a half to two hundred tanks left and several dozen Shiloks.
                    Russia is able to supply Assad with a few more Tungusok divisions in exchange for losses.
                    1. smersh70
                      smersh70 10 September 2013 12: 01
                      -1
                      Quote: S-200
                      Russia is able to supply Assad with a few more Tungusok divisions in exchange for losses.


                      Russia is able to arm the whole world ... and who will pay Russia will .... Asad has money, the cat wept ...
                      Quote: S-200
                      Assad still one and a half - two hundred tanks left
                    2. Beck
                      Beck 10 September 2013 14: 36
                      -1
                      Quote: smersh70
                      Russia is able to arm the whole world ... and who will pay Russia will .... Asad has money, the cat wept ...


                      So for free, he’s a friend of the Kremlin, but they don’t leave friends.

                      Assad is a friend of the Kremlin, but not Russia. Such friends for ... yes to the museum.

                      Now, if I, for example, take a loan from domokl for $ 1000 and don’t give up what he will consider me as a friend. If so, it will be like masochism.

                      Hafez al-Assad with his son Bashar in RUSSIA asked for about $ 10 billion in debt and did not repay it, and they are not going to repay it. It’s sweeter to live for free. But the Kremlin, as a friend, forgave this duty, why not masochism at the state level. If Syria is not able to repay it now, even if this debt hung on it for another 50 years, the grandchildren of today's Russians would get a return. There is not much money.
                    3. 31231
                      31231 10 September 2013 16: 51
                      +2
                      So some Kazakhs began to count the money of Russia. Directly some kind of IMF on the site.
                      And this pearl smiles.

                      Assad is a friend of the Kremlin, but not Russia. Such friends for ... yes to the museum.


                      Do you have the flag of Kazakhstan ?! I understand correctly ?!
                      I, who live in Russia, cannot speak for all of Russia, but you are capable.
                  2. 31231
                    31231 10 September 2013 16: 47
                    0
                    Oh wow! Jews, and now Azerbaijanis count Russian money. When will you start counting yours?
                  3. smersh70
                    smersh70 10 September 2013 19: 58
                    0
                    Quote: 31231
                    Jews, and now Azerbaijanis count Russian money


                    We don’t understand you .. You’re right ..... this money to the treasury 10bn .... here on the site, who supports the Assad, will collect and give it to the treasury))))))

                    Mind Russia can not understand .. general arshin can not be measured ..... hi

                    give better arguments .. what is caustic about our comments ... smile
                  4. Beck
                    Beck 11 September 2013 02: 04
                    +2
                    Quote: 31231
                    So some Kazakhs began to count the money of Russia.

                    Quote: 31231
                    now Azerbaijanis count Russian money. When will you start counting yours?


                    You just sore, but somehow you don’t. The money was given to Assad by the USSR, and this means not only Russian money, but also Azerbaijani, Kazakhstan, and Baltic.

                    In any case, there will be no return to us, since Russia became the assignee of the USSR. And for that matter, give another Russian money.
              3. MG42
                MG42 10 September 2013 17: 46
                +2
                Quote: S-200
                Drawn like a parade in front of the camera ...
                not a lot of technology captured

                An alarming symptom, of course in <Anna News> this will not be shown .. judging by the fresh videos on YouTube, the capture of various equipment is visible, hell knows what is going on ..
              4. smersh70
                smersh70 10 September 2013 20: 00
                0
                Quote: MG42
                An alarming symptom

                the bell rang a long time ago when the first seizures of large batches of armored vehicles appeared .... what this means is that there is no one to guard the units .... vast territories are captured by bearded men ... the troops coward and throwing whole units, they run to where their eyes look .... winked it seems that the summer of 41 has come for Syria ....
          2. ayyildiz
            ayyildiz 10 September 2013 11: 39
            +3
            They destroy a tank with a grenade!
          3. eplewke
            eplewke 10 September 2013 17: 03
            0
            But aren't Kurds by chance ???
        4. MG42
          MG42 10 September 2013 11: 21
          +3
          Quote: S-200
          No, it looks like a war rocket ...
          And CHP-75 away too ...
          It seems to have captured a fighting position ...
          stano that ONLY one PU with a rocket ... they should be 6 pieces

          It's just that from the point where the video was filmed, all the launchers are not visible, it is logical that the UV cabin is visible clearly >>
  • alone
    alone 9 September 2013 21: 30
    +1
    all of the systems listed in the article are data on pre-war Syria. At present, not all of the listed are in the hands of the army. Many positions and parts of the air defense are routed. The multi-layer air defense systems are violated.
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 9 September 2013 22: 02
      +2
      Here you are right, macaques with beards destroyed some of the centers of air defense, judging by the reports of YouTube, but these centers are located in the area of ​​the monkeys' response, the air defense around the capital is quite functional, its effectiveness is another matter.
    2. S-200
      S-200 9 September 2013 23: 50
      +1
      Quote: lonely
      all of the systems listed in the article are data on pre-war Syria. At present, not all of the listed are in the hands of the army. Many positions and parts of the air defense are routed. The multi-layer air defense systems are violated.

      judging by the video - EVACUATED what is needed, leaving trash on
      false position! tongue
    3. S-200
      S-200 10 September 2013 09: 29
      +1
      Quote: lonely
      At present, not all of the above are in the hands of the army. Many positions and parts of the air defense system are defeated. The multilayered defense systems are violated.

      Patiently explain(without the mat, which sometimes was used before a system of naughty boobies) ...
      Capturing one or two or even three or four positions of anti-aircraft missile launchers (S-75 and S-125 are ONE-CHANNEL on target), as well as the short-range air defense missile system "Osa - NN", has a relatively weak effect on reducing the PRODUCTIVITY (the possibility of "processing" N number of targets) air defense groupings of the positional area (for certain types of targets) ...
      the detection and damage zone (in direction and at a certain height) of the air defense grouping of the positional area may be partially violated, BUT this is not difficult to fix if the terrain allows ...
      and what is yours "layering" ?? what
  • gunnerminer
    gunnerminer 9 September 2013 22: 21
    +2
    The main thing is that the strikes should not be sudden. And judging by the presence of our reconnaissance ships, this will not happen.


    Attacks on air defense should be sudden. The presence of reconnaissance ships of the Russian Federation does not guarantee timely opening of preparation and delivery of strikes. January, May (twice), July strikes on Syrian targets were unexpected for reconnaissance units of the naval forces of the Russian naval forces. During the military reform of 2007-2012, thousands Contracting officers, midshipmen, officers were transferred to the reserve for organizational and staffing activities. Specialists of operators were recruited from all fleets for staffing the Special Forces Command and Control Forces Command and Logistics Command. there were no exercises and joint trainings. Practically, there were no trainings and exercises in the transition to backup methods of collecting and processing information, opening the underwater and surface conditions when the enemy used active electronic warfare equipment, and working with abridged calculations.
    1. S-200
      S-200 10 September 2013 11: 39
      +2
      Well. WHAT to say without a mat on all our reforms ...
      If legally (economically, politically), a literate fucker is in charge of "no ear or snout", then ... wait for trouble!
      But with what convinced know-it-all look they do it!
  • Arthur 775
    Arthur 775 9 September 2013 19: 29
    +3
    God forbid that ours dug in there. And so Asadushka’s chances are not very good.
    1. T-130
      T-130 9 September 2013 20: 11
      +1
      In our case, you just need to quickly dump in Tartus!
  • maxvet
    maxvet 9 September 2013 20: 34
    19
    Quote: Apologet.Ru
    (unlike this whole current Swamp riffraff) ...

    as a child, one of my mother's favorite curses was - "h.mo. swamp", now I understand what my mother wanted to say
  • Rus2012
    Rus2012 9 September 2013 21: 15
    +4
    Quote: Apologet.Ru
    a journalist who had just arrived from Damascus (unfortunately, he did not remember his last name).

    military commander - Marat Musin
    And he talked about including Chinese radar ...
    1. Apologet.Ru
      Apologet.Ru 9 September 2013 21: 18
      0
      hi
      Thank you, colleague! drinks
    2. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 9 September 2013 22: 04
      +2
      Marat also said that a Jewish blow hit our Buk. Yes, about the help of China, too, was.
  • zennon
    zennon 9 September 2013 21: 40
    -1
    (unlike this whole current Swamp riffraff) ...

    I do not know who you meant by "Swamp riffraff", but as for
    interview of a Russian military (non-military) journalist who had just arrived from Damascus

    This is interesting. Only not so long ago I watched on TV an interview with the head of the most powerful Jewish electronic warfare station in the Golan Heights, and wondered who they work for? Guess three times?
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 9 September 2013 21: 55
      +5
      Quote: zennon
      This is interesting. Only not so long ago I watched on TV an interview with the head of the most powerful Jewish electronic warfare station in the Golan Heights, and wondered who they work for? Guess three times?

      1. 27.02.2012
      Russia has modernized the Syrian radar station, located on Mount Jabal al-Harra south of the capital of Syria. A station on Mount Jabal al-Harra previously covered northern Jordan, northern Israel and western Iraq. Now, after modernization, the station will be able to see the entire territory of Israel and Jordan, as well as the Gulf of Aqaba and the northern part of Saudi Arabia.
      More details: http://globalconflict.ru/geopolitics/2843-rossiya-modernizirovala-radiolokacionn

      uyu-stanciyu-v-sirii 2.June 15, 2012 New radar station located by Moscow in northern Syria near the border with Turkey "The station is located 30 km north of Latakia, in Kessab, where Armenians and Alawites live, who support the regime of Bashar al-Assad." Located at an altitude of 1300 m above sea ​​level, Kessab is a strategically important height from which you can see what is happening on the Turkish side of the border " Read more http://www.inopressa.ru/article/15Jun2012/lefigaro/syria.html Well, let's say this, too, we didn’t slurp cabbage soup ...
      1. zennon
        zennon 9 September 2013 22: 23
        -2
        Russia has modernized the Syrian radar station, located on Mount Jabal al-Harra south of the capital of Syria.

        So what? One doesn’t interfere. The EW station on the Golan Heights is equipped to be healthy! And it will work for many years. It and not only it will be involved in the first place! And it’s not at all to help Assad ...
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 9 September 2013 22: 52
          +5
          Quote: zennon
          So what? It doesn’t interfere with one another. EW station at the Golan Heights is equipped to be healthy! And it will work for many years. It and not only it will be involved in the first place!

          The same is with me given, so what? If turmoil starts, what will be the # 1 target for the Syrian artillery? There, after all, a stone's throw ... Can you tell me three times? You can't hide from the shells with the "iron kumPol" and the "patriot" laughing
          1. zennon
            zennon 9 September 2013 23: 10
            +1
            If the mess starts, what will be the number one goal for Syrian artillery?

            In any case, the amers will start a mess. And they will suppress Assad's entire control system in no time. So the Jewish electronic warfare station simply because of the initiative will be able to do a lot. But Assad's radar will order a long life in the first hour of the "mess". Unfortunately. ..
  • gunnerminer
    gunnerminer 9 September 2013 22: 13
    +1
    Advisers advise their advisers. Advisors are not obliged to follow literally all the recommendations of advisers. Advisors do not fight. Advisers cannot solve all the holes and long-term omissions of the Syrian air defense. Advisers will not be able to raise the combat control system to the modern level, since it is backward in the homeland of advisers and vulnerable. Advisers cannot replace divisional commanders or be at all command points at the same time. Maneuvering Syrian air defense systems is impossible due to the saturation of foreign sabotage groups and opposition groups. The S-300 was studied quite well during the joint exercises of the Israeli and NATO air forces on the island of Crete .S-300 for Cyprus air defense was delivered earlier, but was placed on the island of Crete at the request of Turkey.
  • Russ69
    Russ69 10 September 2013 00: 03
    0
    Quote: Apologet.Ru
    The other day on the same site I watched an interview with a Russian military (non-military) journalist who had just arrived from Damascus (unfortunately, I did not remember his last name).

    Already the birds in the shower began to sing, from the good news ... smile
    God grant that now there is no 200 cargo.
  • Mitek
    Mitek 9 September 2013 19: 04
    17
    Quote: serge-68-68
    Under certain conditions, I can also fill the face of the Klitschko brothers ... Only these conditions are very, very conditional. However, as in the case of "Syrian air defenses against modern means of attack from the air."

    Of course, you are right, but keep in mind that ours will surely use air defense systems on modern complexes. Coordination is possible from the ships of the squadron. Yes, and the squadron is capable of cutting axes outside the tervod. Whatever 3.14 the Andos admirals say that Russia is weak and its navy is worth little, but "Moscow" is able to greatly upset the AUG. And if we were so weak, as the amers say, Syria would have been hammered by democrats for a long time. And not only Syria, but also Moscow for the heap.
    1. T-130
      T-130 9 September 2013 20: 13
      +4
      Well, he is able not only to upset, but also, if he wants to punish AUG, current will be needed for this!
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 9 September 2013 21: 24
        +4
        Quote: T-130
        Well, he is able not only to upset, but also, if he wants to punish AUG, current will be needed for this!

        ... there seems to be a will, given that in general, everything that can go with us is to disperse and leave the ports. YES, they say, also diverges from places of constant dislocation. Poplars - before 1 / 3 went to the fields ...
        "threatened period" ...

        Adversary, they also say, carries nuclear weapons.
        Just in case.
        1. Kolesnikoff.dmitr
          Kolesnikoff.dmitr 9 September 2013 22: 21
          +1
          And before the whole regiment carried the DB to the "Field" and the BSP came only for service. So this is not an indicator and not a volume for conclusions. The indicator is the degree of combat readiness in which the DB is rushing. Based on the degree of BG, orders are given and the equipment moves. And an hour is enough to change the position.
    2. Rus2012
      Rus2012 9 September 2013 21: 18
      0
      Quote: Mitek
      Yes, and it’s capable of chopping axes outside the squadron.

      and artillery systems, the work of which you can’t keep track of ...
  • Nitup
    Nitup 9 September 2013 19: 24
    +7
    Do not take articles of this kind seriously. They say the same thing. How do you know what and how much is actually there?
  • Airman
    Airman 9 September 2013 19: 35
    21
    It's obvious to the author of the article - before writing, take the trouble to look at when the KUB air defense system (1967) was adopted, and Kvadrat is its export version, and it was created later. Secondly, the square has a SURN (self-propelled reconnaissance and guidance unit) and can work autonomously. 2500 "shilok" against low-flying targets even without a locator, when firing with a sight - a backup, with a probability of destruction of 0,1, and then the force. The S-200 has always been stationary, and making it "roam" is absurd.
    1. alone
      alone 9 September 2013 21: 37
      +2
      Today, a good hundred of MANPADS needle-C are much more useful than these squares, which are inferior to the same cubes in terms of performance characteristics, since the square is still an export option
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 9 September 2013 22: 06
        +2
        Don’t tell me, it’s not for you to write such stupidity because TTCs are not comparable, PZRK is PZRK and the requirements for it are completely different, how do you imagine it is something to knock him off without having a flight path of the target? And the restriction on the oncoming and height? it's not spinning or peeling dryers on low flight. Otherwise, the army of Gaddafi would have prevented the creation of a no-fly zone.
        1. alone
          alone 9 September 2013 22: 12
          0
          That's it, I wrote it with a specialist to look at the reaction))) correctly say, the PDA and the PDA are incomparable. However, the stupidity that I wrote, compared to the stupid things that some people write here, are incomparable wink
      2. Airman
        Airman 10 September 2013 21: 15
        0
        Quote: lonely
        Today, a good hundred of MANPADS needle-C are much more useful than these squares, which are inferior to the same cubes in terms of performance characteristics, since the square is still an export option

        In terms of range and height of the targets hit, the CUB and Square are identical, and the difference is: there is no interrogator, at first TOV (television optical sight) was not supplied, which made it possible to accompany the target, a limited number of radar and missile frequencies in the conditions of radio interference. SAM KUB (Square) in terms of performance characteristics in range, height and probability of hitting a target are not comparable to MANPADS Needle, maybe a hundred Needles and comparable with 2-3 batteries KUB (Square).
    2. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 9 September 2013 22: 29
      0
      It's obvious to the author of the article - before writing, take the trouble to look at when the KUB air defense system (1967) was adopted, and Kvadrat is its export version, and it was created later. Secondly, the square has a SURN (self-propelled reconnaissance and guidance unit) and can work autonomously. 2500 "shilok" against low-flying targets even without a locator, when firing with a sight - a backup, with a probability of destruction of 0,1, and then the force. The S-200 has always been stationary, and making it "roam" is absurd.


      It is good if a tenth of the shilok is capable of at least moving around, is ready for war, provided with proper ammunition and is equipped with trained crews to conduct targeted fire.
  • Russkiy_Prapor
    Russkiy_Prapor 9 September 2013 19: 41
    +6
    Quote: serge-68-68
    Under certain conditions, I can also fill the face of the Klitschko brothers ...

    Without any conditions, I will gut both of them in less than a minute, and if they don’t run away, then faster. Well, as for Syria’s air defense, I’ll say the following: Did the ships of the Russian Navy go there just like that? That's where there is a real chance to practice shooting down American missiles, without much risk and legally. But it seems to me that the amers will not risk it.
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 9 September 2013 22: 30
      +1
      Attacks on air defense should be sudden. The presence of reconnaissance ships of the Russian Federation does not guarantee timely opening of preparation and delivery of strikes. January, May (twice), July strikes on Syrian targets were unexpected for reconnaissance units of the naval forces of the Russian naval forces. During the military reform of 2007-2012, thousands Contracting officers, midshipmen, officers were transferred to the reserve for organizational and staffing activities. Specialists of operators were recruited from all fleets for staffing the Special Forces Command and Control Forces Command and Logistics Command. there were no exercises and joint trainings. Practically, there were no trainings and exercises in the transition to backup methods of collecting and processing information, opening the underwater and surface conditions when the enemy used active electronic warfare equipment, and working with abridged calculations.
  • Suhov
    Suhov 9 September 2013 20: 24
    +8
    Quote: serge-68-68
    Under certain conditions, I will also be able to fill the face of the Klitschko brothers ... Only these conditions are very, very conditional.

    GDP before the G-20 "bullied" the Americans:
    - He’s lying, and he knows that he’s lying. It is sad.
    - We proceeded, we proceed from the fact that we are dealing with decent people,
    - ...
    And this is a good sign.
    yes
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 9 September 2013 21: 09
    +3
    Reprint with VZ.RU ... in general, the button accordion. Given that VZ.RU is a biased resource, the quality of the article is appropriate.

    Who reprinted before please do not drag the article as a whole, add at least a little of your opinion and verified facts. VZ.RU we can read immediately, without a delay of 3 days.
    1. Dmitry Desnyansky
      Dmitry Desnyansky 9 September 2013 21: 38
      0
      Really BAYAN, it means I'm not alone
  • Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 9 September 2013 21: 10
    0
    Quote: serge-68-68
    Under certain conditions, I can also fill the face of the Klitschko brothers ...


    Class, but I kept wondering who, in the end, would muzzle them.
    But seriously, you can’t discount Syria’s air defense, and most importantly, given the presence of some of our ships there that can warn of missile and other attacks. I still believe that ours have been safe and will really help the Syrians repel the attacks.
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 9 September 2013 22: 31
      +1
      Attacks on air defense should be sudden. The presence of reconnaissance ships of the Russian Federation does not guarantee timely opening of preparation and delivery of strikes. January, May (twice), July strikes on Syrian targets were unexpected for reconnaissance units of the naval forces of the Russian naval forces. During the military reform of 2007-2012, thousands Contracting officers, midshipmen, officers were transferred to the reserve for organizational and staffing activities. Specialists of operators were recruited from all fleets for staffing the Special Forces Command and Control Forces Command and Logistics Command. there were no exercises and joint trainings. Practically, there were no trainings and exercises in the transition to backup methods of collecting and processing information, opening the underwater and surface conditions when the enemy used active electronic warfare equipment, and working with abridged calculations.
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  • ksan
    ksan 9 September 2013 22: 05
    0
    serge-68-68 RU Today, 18:17 New

    Under certain conditions, I can also fill the face of the Klitschko brothers ... Only these conditions are very, very conditional. However, as in the case of "Syrian air defenses against modern means of attack from the air."
    In-in, if so if only, so fortune-telling on coffee grounds. It is not known exactly what Syria has, what Russia has been strenuously "dragging" them for the second year, are there any Russian "specialists" there, and how much the amers have the spirit, if there are still losses? We do not know the "role" of Russian ships, we do not know whether the Turks and Israel will fit in. The author began that Syria has one "", will continue that "not everything is so bad," but finished "amers themselves are suckers and if HE (the author) commanded the air defense Syria, the chance would be "Full amer. Or Syria?" hi
  • dmitry_den
    dmitry_den 9 September 2013 22: 37
    +1
    How to shoot down Tomahawks, a quick guide
    ... Before the bombing of Iraq, called the operation "Fox in the Desert" by the US and England, I sent a registered letter proposing to use such simple transmitters for electronic warfare ... on the way to Iraq, more than 100 "tomahawks" self-destructed.

    http://freenews.tomsk.ru/news.php?id=146
  • igor.borov775
    igor.borov775 10 September 2013 05: 51
    +1
    Hi everyone, The review is so-so purely academic, It was smooth on paper but forgot about the ravines, It’s normal for the country to have a completely cohesive management structure, This article is full of academicism, The situation is much more serious than it seems, The army is drawn into internal conflict, Whatever they didn’t write, I have to say that the militants were commanded by very competent officers, the military infrastructure was fragmented, strikes were made at the army’s base sites for two years and its potential was very weakened, Syria’s neighbor didn’t sit idly by, he applied precisely protected systems that they could have given a guaranteed answer to those who climb into the country from outside, you think that the Jews will miss this chance and never, In this they are masters, If the ground forces can still give an answer then the high-tech units and the air defense have already suffered sensitive losses, you can only guess what is happening there, and what else works, For those who watch and listen to messages from Syria it’s not a secret blow will coordinate the militants will be a terrible blow whatever they write here, And the possibilities to limit the blow have been much lower for a long time, the militants and Jews have done their job, Now they are just studying the possibilities of reducing the scale of the destruction of what remains, the Jews will certainly share information with their patron, Another the moment is alarming, the Israelis noticed, as if they had deliberately started fussing around Syria, as if they were asking to shoot at us, We’re here, It’s not without reason that there is an agreement with the main herald of democracy,
  • vyatom
    vyatom 10 September 2013 14: 06
    -1
    But is Syria really no fleet left? Why not deliver a preemptive strike to the aircraft carriers or destroyers from which the missiles are launched. The strike can be delivered from submarines or torpedo boats. At one time, the Iranians in the Persian Gulf had a very good experience.
  • Siberian German
    Siberian German 10 September 2013 14: 39
    0
    that’s exactly the conditions they are conditional - and why they don’t talk about the need to protect air defense from attack from the ground
  • fklj
    fklj 9 September 2013 18: 18
    +8
    Thank you for the article.
    But what to guess, analyze and predict. This is not a thankful business. And time will tell ...
    But I would not want to.

    Syria would have had strong air defense, the Americans would not rock the boat ...
  • michajlo
    michajlo 9 September 2013 18: 27
    16
    Good evening everyone!

    The article itself is very interesting to me personally to a civilian electronic technician (not an air defense military specialist).

    How everything will be, time will tell and the guys sitting at the consoles, guarding the stations and those who will have to light bonfires from evening to morning.

    As they say, simple solution is the most reliable!

    Good luck to them in Syria!
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 9 September 2013 18: 46
      +1
      Quote: michajlo
      The article itself is very interesting.

      That's just slipped in it
      Quote: Evgeny Krutikov
      All this pile of metal ...

      which casts doubt on the desire to withstand Syrian air defense.
      hi
    2. Yun Klob
      Yun Klob 9 September 2013 20: 04
      +6
      It is best to light a fire on a brick soaked in diesel fuel. It burns long and efficiently.
    3. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 9 September 2013 22: 34
      0
      How everything will be, time will tell and the guys sitting at the consoles, guarding the stations and those who will have to light bonfires from evening to morning.


      Lighted bonfires attract not only ammunition with thermal homing heads. They serve as good landmarks for numerous detachments of the armed opposition and sabotage groups of coalition countries. It is unlikely that the latter suffer from excessive simple-mindedness and rotationalism.
    4. dmitry_den
      dmitry_den 9 September 2013 22: 40
      +3
      “You helped the Serbs.” How did this happen?

      - I also sent them a description of my device, even before the first bombing. But they did not immediately orient themselves: either they did not attach importance to my signal, or they relied on their air defense, because, unlike Iraq, they were pretty well equipped. And now, when after the first shelling by the “tomahawks” it became clear that the Serbs were not jamming GPS signals, I had to contact the progressive Slavic public via the Internet, and only after that representatives of the FRY contacted me. By the way, a small obstacle was that I had to communicate with the Serbs in English, since since the time of the renegade of the Croatian Tito, they have been oriented to the West, and therefore not everyone knows Russian. In addition to the authorities, radio enthusiasts made a huge contribution to protecting their country. It was they who initially manufactured and placed a large number of jammers.

      - How did the Serbs come to you?

      - At night from Belgrade, the chairman of the radio club of Yugoslavia Hranislav Milosevic called me. Incidentally, he speaks excellent Russian ... He said that in Belgrade there is very great damage and loss from these shellings. He asked if there was anything else from the anti-weapon? I immediately asked if they have microwaves? There was a short puzzled silence, and then: “Of course there is!” Then I advised him to take ordinary microwave ovens, install them with the open door up near the object that it is desirable to destroy, and turn it on. There was no longer a pause. It became immediately clear to Khranislav. The fact is that the American HARM rocket goes exactly to the frequency that the microwave oven emits. “HARM” generally goes to any powerful source of radio emission in the range of 400-10000 megahertz.

      “And what did this give the Serbs?”

      - Literally the very next day, the NATO troops bombed their own embassies in Belgrade! NATO stated that in Kosovo they defeated 120 tanks, but, as you know, an English general who arrived after the conclusion of the “peace” counted only “about seven” (literally). A strange account for a general from a country that considers itself civilized, isn't it? If the villains from NATO started a war, everyone’s duty is to contribute to the defeat of the aggressor. Why can't others stop the war? .. It is for this that anti-weapon technologies are being created.
      1. gunnerminer
        gunnerminer 9 September 2013 23: 37
        -4
        - How did the Serbs come to you?



        Agitation, designed for a simpleton and dunno. Behind such an agitation is Colonel-General Ivashchov, who never commanded a platoon anymore, a special forces soldier, a clown who ineptly simulates idiocy Colonel Kvachkov in an untidy embroidered shirt.
    5. Hort
      Hort 10 September 2013 07: 38
      0
      As they say, simple solution is the most reliable!

      I understand that there is a typo, but still :) A simple solution (slang "rush") would be an ideal option for amers to suffer impressive losses :)
  • Sreben
    Sreben 9 September 2013 18: 27
    -3
    Actually, the author says. Seen professional!
    1. S-200
      S-200 9 September 2013 19: 01
      10
      Quote: Sreben
      Actually, the author says. Seen professional!

      an absolute amateur, not even fluent in terminology ...
      The article is a compilation of superficial not systematized fragmentary information about some types of air defense systems (consisting of Syrian air defense systems). Well, a little fantasy ...
      and since knowledge is 0, then the flight of fantasy is childishly primitive ...
      The article was written by a teenager. And this is baby talk ...
      1. severbob
        severbob 9 September 2013 20: 48
        0
        can toss up coal - it burns for a day
    2. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 9 September 2013 22: 39
      0
      Actually, the author says. Seen professional!

      The author grabbed the tops of singing. Only one story about the kindling of bonfires speaks volumes. What kind of bonfires, in the territory not controlled by the Syrian army? The issues of protection and defense of the positions of air defense objects are considered, as well as the level of combat training of calculations, the state of electronic warfare in the units of the Syrian army .
  • de bouillon
    de bouillon 9 September 2013 18: 28
    +5
    Tomahawk

    yeah low speed wink . everyone just sings that rocket, before the sound .. oh well ??

    220 meters per second .. most people will not even realize what flew by hi what kind of machine gun is there !! Nobody just has time. If everything were just that way, these Tomogawks would have knocked everyone down in batches for a long time, but this has never happened in more than 20 years.

    Here is an example of a raid on an air base near Sirte in 2011.
    http://pfc-joker.livejournal.com/17437.html
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 9 September 2013 19: 20
      +3
      Quote: de Bouillon
      yeah low speed wink. everyone just sings that rocket, before the sound .. oh well ??

      220 meters per second .. most people do not even realize that hi flew by, what kind of machine gun is there !! Nobody just has time. If everything were just that way, these Tomogawks would have been knocking everyone down in batches for a long time, but this has never happened in more than 20 years.

      Tomahawks do not knock down rotozei from slingshots, but missiles of the air defense system, which have a speed greater than the tomahawks and easily catch up with them. For a fighter, knocking down a tomahawk from a cannon is also not a difficult task, the projectile speed is 700 m / s, the rate of fire of the 3200 aircraft gun is at / min.
    2. Rus2012
      Rus2012 9 September 2013 21: 30
      +3
      Quote: de Bouillon
      most people don’t even realize what flew by, what kind of machine gun is there !! Nobody just has time.

      launched in 300-400km - it will fly to the target for half an hour, timed in time - it is likely to be shot down ...
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 9 September 2013 22: 08
        0
        Hello, a concrete example of Yuga, was spotted and shot down precisely because of the time of approach.
  • Sirocco
    Sirocco 9 September 2013 18: 29
    +5
    Hold out for three days - under certain conditions.
    I would say that these conditions relate to the side of the attack, and the side of reflection. It is precisely because of these specific conditions that this "peaceful" expansion from the United States did not begin. It is not known for the states where and what trump cards the Russian-made Syrian air defense systems have in store for them with Israel. So they make noise, and shuffle, as if they have done it in their pants. This is not the Yugoslavian scenario. laughing
  • Army1
    Army1 9 September 2013 18: 31
    +8
    I put a plus for optimism. Of course, if you recall the experience of Yugoslavia, the Syrian air defense can shoot down several dozen tomahawks, and several front-line aircraft, but this is a drop in the ocean, which will be dried up by the information war of the West and the concealment of losses. And if the radars work continuously, they will be immediately destroyed. Hope for "partisan" use of short-range complexes
    1. matross
      matross 9 September 2013 19: 14
      +5
      Quote: Army1
      Put a plus for optimism.

      I also! Although, if you do not lie to yourself, everyone understands that they will gouge the poor fellows in half a day. Hang on guys! Russia will not harness directly now, but soon we will avenge you! "Satisfied with the ruins of the White House!" and we will write for you!
    2. Rus2012
      Rus2012 9 September 2013 21: 33
      +4
      Quote: Army1
      if you recall the experience of Yugoslavia,

      ... alas, the Yugoslavs did not have such support from Yelkinskaya Russia ...
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 9 September 2013 22: 10
        +1
        Subjectively, I’m going to blame it, but I’ll say that Miloshka passed it, YUGI could bend Euro, sold a politician who, unlike Gorbi, got his. IN THESE CASES, the indecision and cowardice of the leader is UNPAIRABLE!
  • Strashila
    Strashila 9 September 2013 18: 33
    13
    The most unpleasant for Syrian air defense is the fifth column. Previous provocations by the Israeli Air Force have shown their effectiveness: operational target designation, target illumination, jamming of air defense systems, sabotage and terrorist attacks at air defense facilities, the remaining mishandled Cossacks in army units. Israel worked out these interactions working hand in hand with al-Qaeda.
    1. PValery53
      PValery53 9 September 2013 18: 44
      +3
      Skillful patriotic work and the local "SMERSH" "will bring up" worthless traitors and reduce their effect to zero in Syria ... Otherwise, no way! ..
  • Maks-80
    Maks-80 9 September 2013 18: 37
    +7
    Good luck to the Syrians and survive!
  • PValery53
    PValery53 9 September 2013 18: 37
    +6
    If the Syrian air defenses know the service, then their systems will devour the enemy's air targets, like "cow - hay (feed)".
  • domokl
    domokl 9 September 2013 18: 37
    +7
    Very sensible article. There is really one addition.
    Putin declared our help. I think that the help will consist in the fact that we will track launches and inform the Syrians. The weakest part of the air defense is the radar and the guidance station. The presence of Russian reconnaissance ships allows us to conclude that we will help to eliminate this shortcoming . Demonstrated were quick start notches recently.
    1. serge-68-68
      serge-68-68 9 September 2013 18: 44
      +3
      About the sensible article, I have already said above. But I agree about this option of our help - it is likely. Although, in my opinion, this will not help the Syrian air defense much.
      1. domokl
        domokl 9 September 2013 18: 58
        +4
        I will try to argue the position.
        Syrian air defense in any situation will not be able to withstand a serious attack. The most reliable system does not guarantee more than 95% protection. So something will fly and explode.
        Two or three shellings are enough for the ardor of aggressors to cool. Yes, and you have forgotten Iran’s statement. And the statement is tough and clearly directed.
        The only thing that can really lead to the success of the Americans and others like them is a ground operation right after the strikes. And Abama does not want to get involved in this. The presidency is swaying under it. The militants will not be able to really do something even after the strike.
        1. serge-68-68
          serge-68-68 9 September 2013 19: 27
          +2
          Neither Iran nor Russia will get involved in a direct landfill in Syria. The United States, judging by the mood, is not particularly burning. To help is limited, say, by finding targets and, possibly, target designation - yes. But in this case, I would have thought about the radio-technical suppression of Russian intelligence equipment in place of the Yankees. But this is somewhat beyond the scope of this article.
          As for the article: the suppression of air defense means is a complex task, performed both from air (sea) and from the ground. I hope that the Yankees will take measures aimed at preventing the effective functioning of the main posts for detecting Syrian air defense, including ground forces, in a timely manner, otherwise I will completely be disappointed in them ... :)
          1. NEMO
            NEMO 9 September 2013 19: 41
            0
            Quote: serge-68-68
            To help is limited, say, by finding targets and, possibly, target designation - yes.

            Of course, I would very much like to help with target designation, but alas, for issuing target designation to the Syrian KP and complexes no technical means, from ship radars we can transmit only general data on the air situation, which, in principle, is not enough.
          2. domokl
            domokl 9 September 2013 20: 44
            +1
            Quote: serge-68-68
            Neither Iran nor Russia will get involved in a direct landfill in Syria.

            Your untruth ... Russia yes..But Iran directly and openly stated that an attack on Syria will immediately launch an attack on Israel. The conflict has been brewing for a long time and the Israelis know this. It’s they who stand by and the decision to attack. But the situation has changed and the Arabs too getting ready for aiake.
            Zavarushka is scheduled to be very decent and, I will quote to Akela, It will be a glorious hunt. Only a few will survive after it ...
            1. serge-68-68
              serge-68-68 9 September 2013 21: 16
              +1
              Let's have a look. In my opinion, Iran is doing well. He does not need extra problems. Therefore, substituting for a retaliatory strike - and it will definitely follow from Israel - will not.
              There will be no glorious hunt in Syria. A small revealing flogging. Unless, of course, the United States finds a plausible excuse to abandon the strike. Hit and see how it ends. If the Yankees are lucky, then everything will end in their favor. If you are not lucky, then everything will be delayed for another couple of years.
              1. domokl
                domokl 9 September 2013 21: 38
                0
                Quote: serge-68-68
                Unless, of course, the United States finds a plausible excuse to abandon the strike.

                I would really like to. But now, it seems to me, Americans are rhinos in politics. While they stand, like a strong beast. And they ran, they can no longer turn. And they already ran. Abama put too much on this blow.
                I repeat, according to my estimates, the strike will be struck on the night of 10 on 11 of September .. at least the first missiles will fly. You can explain very beautifully to the American people why they struck. Al Qaeda and other terrorists .. People’s waving at times ...
      2. alone
        alone 9 September 2013 21: 41
        +2
        The weakest point of Syrian air defense is the outdated management and command system.


        this alone is enough to understand what is Syria's air defense
        1. tilovaykrisa
          tilovaykrisa 9 September 2013 22: 13
          +3
          Less than psimsimism, the Armenians say they’ll wipe your nose at a time, and don’t care about them on your T90 and others, they say that everything is bad for you in the army and that way, but something stops them. Life will show that you are not in Syria to objectively judge the real state of affairs of their air defense.
          1. alone
            alone 9 September 2013 22: 51
            +2
            even the air defense of my state is 100 times stronger than the Syrian air defense. even though our number of complexes is much lower. and still, as a military man, I don’t exclude that we might miss something somewhere. Let’s really look. If beeches and shells are intact, something to do, the rest is old junk. and with EW nothing at all. have you probably heard about kamikaze drones that are designed for working radars? if we have such, do you think the amers don't have these?
  • Russ69
    Russ69 9 September 2013 18: 39
    +3
    Here is an example of a raid on an air base near Sirte in 2011.

    The comparison is somewhat incorrect, but Syria will certainly not be good.
    I doubt that they will be able to hide more or less normally, although I want to.
    There would be no country torn by civil war, and so ...
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 9 September 2013 18: 41
    +4
    All this can withstand these critical three or four days, after which the carrier groups will run out of ammunition. And there already - only God knows.
    They will stand ... I'm sure ... only the fifth column exists there ... the special services of Syria do not work very efficiently (although they can be understood such a shaft of money goes there to bribe blackmail .. the country is exhausted ..) I hope ours will help to neutralize these moles .. Many Arab countries understand that they are threatened and support Russia .. (remember the USSR still) The truth is on our side ..!
  • MG42
    MG42 9 September 2013 18: 43
    +7
    The same story when repulsing an attack from Turkey at an extremely low altitude. Three S-200 divisions, as many S-75s and two S-125s can survive, only roaming. Moreover, their electronic systems are completely defenseless from active interference. There is also the Ar-Rakan direction (north), al-Hasan (north-eastern), Daur-az-Zaur, which in this situation turn out to be generally undisguised.

    The only question is how many really active air defense systems are there, the S-125, S-75 and S-200 are already a little old, however, for a modern war
    The second question is what the Russian BDK actually put there, what components of the S-2?

    S-200 air defense system. Mintar base in Aleppo captured by rebels

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LD0ac5wcUg

    Syria: Capture of 49 Assad Air Defense Battalion in Derya

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rRlqt-0bSU

    Syria - FSA Captures SAM Volga S75M2

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3tz82DDyzs

    The only reasonable salvation is the creation of mobile brigades from the remnants of the Bukov and the Shell. At worst, MANPADS and anti-aircraft guns.

    Well, these can shoot down axes if they fall into the affected area of ​​course ..
  • Drosselmeyer
    Drosselmeyer 9 September 2013 18: 46
    +8
    It is not clear at all what is there now with the country's air defense, after two years of fighting.
  • nikcris
    nikcris 9 September 2013 18: 58
    +7
    What a day is today No.
    Which is already an attack on the blades. People do not bother with evidence - MAHES a saber on the left-right. Then the MiG-21 with Shilka is decommissioned (and Shilka and the Turks shot down over the sea), then the S-300 digs out (Shliman, optil))))
  • sergej30003
    sergej30003 9 September 2013 19: 04
    +2
    and yet Syria’s air defense is able to withstand the first strike of the United States, well, not without losses, of course, but we need to think about how to sink at least a couple of aircraft carriers, maybe anyone has thoughts on this subject, but it’s quite possible
    1. il grand casino
      il grand casino 9 September 2013 19: 15
      +3
      Quote: sergej30003
      and yet Syria’s air defense is able to withstand the first strike of the United States, well, not without losses, of course, but we need to think about how to sink at least a couple of aircraft carriers, maybe anyone has thoughts on this subject, but it’s quite possible


      Well, for this you need only to:
      1) They gathered there in a bunch
      2) We approached the shore
      3) took cover from themselves
      4) and so that the Syrians do not forget to fuck these idiots ...
      Unfortunately, Syria simply (even torn) has nothing to get them ... aviation can not be taken into account .. even close will not come. At least Japanese kamikaze resurrect

      P.S. According to the article ... very optimistic. But I am personally a pissimist. It’s better to think that everything will be according to the worst-case scenario, and here already think what to do in this case ...
      P.S.S. Frankly, I can’t believe that in Syria there are our specialists in air defense ... and no matter what they put there, this is not a panacea. If they want to unblock Syria - unblock. You can always print greens again (at the same time, support the military industry with new orders from Tamagavkav and Co.)
      1. yurii p
        yurii p 9 September 2013 21: 49
        0
        "Though the Japanese kamikaze resurrect" - they have already appeared there, a subdivision of suicide bombers is being created.
        1. tilovaykrisa
          tilovaykrisa 9 September 2013 22: 14
          0
          Tales, but the people really can’t be broken, they’ve got used to the war, all the mold has already faded, only the mattress covers need to be completely destroyed.
    2. S-200
      S-200 9 September 2013 19: 17
      +5
      Quote: sergej30003
      but one would have to think how to sink, at least a couple of aircraft carriers, maybe anyone has any thoughts on this subject, but it’s quite possible

      I have ! soldier
      Nada to drill several agromic holes in the bottom !
      Torture with buckets to scoop up! wassat
      1. il grand casino
        il grand casino 9 September 2013 19: 19
        +4
        Quote: S-200
        Quote: sergej30003
        but one would have to think how to sink, at least a couple of aircraft carriers, maybe anyone has any thoughts on this subject, but it’s quite possible

        I have ! soldier
        nada to drill several agromic holes in the bottom !

        New Syrian super-duper weapon DRILL! laughing
        1. S-200
          S-200 9 September 2013 19: 55
          0
          could we rent a couple of diesel submarines with the crew that took (perpendicular) lol for several days, Syrian citizenship, but left intact to the (very) end of their letters ... wink
          all the same, the blow to Syria is international Act of aggression from the USA, France and the NATO gang!
          so we can highlight Syria lend lease in the form of strategic bombers, long-range cruise missiles, multipurpose nuclear submarines, etc., etc., etc.
          1. gunnerminer
            gunnerminer 10 September 2013 13: 17
            0
            could we rent a couple of diesel submarines with the crew that took (perpendicular)



            There are only 4 units of combat-ready diesel submarines in the Russian Navy.
        2. Yun Klob
          Yun Klob 9 September 2013 21: 29
          +2
          Tie a Yakhont rocket to the C-200 and untie it at the limit of flight, then it will fly! wassat
          1. tilovaykrisa
            tilovaykrisa 9 September 2013 22: 14
            +1
            Chuckled. laughing
      2. a52333
        a52333 9 September 2013 21: 16
        0
        good RZHUNIMAGU. Thanks, smiled.
    3. waisson
      waisson 9 September 2013 19: 17
      0
      arrange pearl harbor
      1. MG42
        MG42 9 September 2013 19: 51
        +2
        Quote: waisson
        arrange pearl harbor

        Then it is only necessary to incite the kamikaze Japs against the USA .. laughing So the aircraft carriers did not get hit by Pearl Harbor, only battleships. 4 battleships and 2 destroyers were sunk.
        One can only guess intentionally the Japanese suddenly attacked Pearl Harbor when there were no state aircraft carriers there?
    4. clidon
      clidon 9 September 2013 19: 30
      0
      Seriously damage at least one ship of the US Navy is already, perhaps, almost a fantasy for the Syrians.
    5. GDP
      GDP 9 September 2013 21: 33
      +1
      The Syrians have two anti-ship complexes Bastion with the most advanced RCC Yakhont in the world. Even the Americans have nothing of the kind. One bad reckoning for incredible maneuverability, power and speed - a small range of 200-300 km. Each rocket is able to put a cruiser. The Syrians can immediately throw such missiles at 16, it is almost impossible to repulse them, they are detected a few seconds before they hit the ship. Therefore, American ships and keep a respectful distance from the coast of Syria.
      1. clidon
        clidon 9 September 2013 22: 01
        0
        And they are close and not necessary. However, they can come closer than 300 km, and the Syrians have nothing to target at such a distance.
      2. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 9 September 2013 22: 15
        0
        Out of reach of the AUG.
  • Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 9 September 2013 19: 09
    +2
    Potential adversaries (Israel and Turkey) have incomparably greater aviation power. Why do Syria need to still contain the 150 MiG-21 - science does not know. But there are no guarantees that the 48 MiG-29 will be able to take off. The same applies to 50 combat-ready MiG-23 and 30 interceptors of the MiG-25.


    The most correct and effective for Syria, to sink the sources of cruise missiles, yusovskih ships, it will cool the Yankees rotten brains.
    Even obsolete aircraft, capable of developing supersonic speeds, are suitable for kamikaze. 10-20 tons at a speed of 2300-3000 km per hour and the aircraft carrier will be sent to the bottom.
    1. il grand casino
      il grand casino 9 September 2013 19: 17
      +2
      Quote: Corsair5912

      The most correct and effective for Syria, to sink the sources of cruise missiles, yusovskih ships, it will cool the Yankees rotten brains.
      Even obsolete aircraft, capable of developing supersonic speeds, are suitable for kamikaze. 10-20 tons at a speed of 2300-3000 km per hour and the aircraft carrier will be sent to the bottom.

      The question is how they get there. The aircraft carriers have escort, air defense, airplanes ... and all this miracle will protect him ... it’s unlikely that he’ll be unnoticed too, tucking into the sea beyond the folds of the terrain
      1. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 9 September 2013 19: 26
        0
        Quote: il grand casino
        The question is how they get there. The aircraft carriers have escort, air defense, airplanes ... and all this miracle will protect him ... it’s unlikely that he’ll be unnoticed too, tucking into the sea beyond the folds of the terrain

        The Japanese flew at low speeds.
        Possibility can be done after a preliminary strike with Yakhont anti-ship missiles and jamming of radars. There should be as many planes as possible and from different directions.
        1. il grand casino
          il grand casino 9 September 2013 19: 37
          +3
          How will the Yahons fly there if the amers do not fit in their course of action. This is the first. In the days of the Japanese there were no radars per se ... Sneaking up on an aircraft carrier by planes in today's realities is impossible ... Japanese ... would you still remember about Borodino
        2. tttttt
          tttttt 9 September 2013 21: 25
          +1
          The most effective way to destroy aircraft carriers from the Chinese. They just do not mind one ICBM with a conventional warhead on an aircraft carrier. And you can run from afar laughing wink
      2. sergej30003
        sergej30003 9 September 2013 20: 53
        +1
        The question is how they get there. The aircraft carriers have escorts, air defense, aircraft ... and all this miracle will protect him ... it is also unlikely to come out imperceptibly ... you will not hide in the sea behind the folds of the terrain "well, it turns out that Syria has equal territory instead of aircraft carriers, and also the most "miracle" and then ship yachts, the fleet can come closer to the grouping of the aircraft carrier, each has a finger on the trigger, well, there, as God willing, each of the participants will take a blow
      3. alone
        alone 9 September 2013 21: 47
        +2
        Quote: il grand casino
        The question is how they get there.


        By the way, recently, one of the Syrian leaders stated that they had prepared 8000 kamikaze pilots. So did not try to collect all of the air force, civil aviation, everything that can fly and counting, did not understand where Syria got 8000 aircraft? )))
        1. zennon
          zennon 9 September 2013 21: 52
          +3
          I don’t understand where Syria got 8000 aircraft? )))

          Well, what is not clear? They have reusable! laughing
        2. tilovaykrisa
          tilovaykrisa 9 September 2013 22: 16
          +2
          Enough Lonely, you already spammed the topic with your realism here, give room for the creativity of patriots laughing
          1. alone
            alone 9 September 2013 23: 34
            +3
            wassat Comrade Stalin, let's go blow up a couple of AUGs, then we’ll go to the mountains, I’ll give you parabellum tfu ... TT))
        3. Tersky
          Tersky 9 September 2013 23: 05
          +1
          Quote: lonely
          By the way, recently one of the Syrian leaders said that they prepared 8000 kamikaze pilots

          Do not share the link ...?
          1. alone
            alone 9 September 2013 23: 20
            +2
            I'll try to find it. It seems to be found.

            http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2013/08/29/n_3145229.shtml

            I myself do not trust both.
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  • kontrol
    kontrol 9 September 2013 19: 18
    0
    a cornered mouse can also kill a cat
  • sashka
    sashka 9 September 2013 19: 19
    +4
    Reprint from other places and pass off as yours. it's not right, just stupidity. To put it mildly. Over the weekend, this article was on "vzglyad.ru"
  • Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 9 September 2013 19: 26
    +4
    Read the article of course interestingly, think about it. But which of us knows how Russia helped Syria. They don’t know, I think in the USA. I am sure they helped as much as they could and as far as they trained, because the verification of the Syrian air defense is a test of our air defense, although not on a full scale. I hope that our ships, which are equipped with more modern equipment, will also help. Good luck to Syria, and there we’ll see and draw conclusions.
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 9 September 2013 19: 26
    0
    Obama can and would be happy to cancel attacks on little Syria, only he is afraid to spoil his image ... and most importantly, money bags have already planned out the percentage of super profit that they must remove from this massacre ..
  • sub307
    sub307 9 September 2013 19: 27
    +2
    The declared three days for "disassembly" is a hypothetically conditional period. If they fail, they will continue: sorry, they say, they did not meet the deadlines, so we will continue to the "bitter end", since we have already begun. We understand, right?
  • sandrmur76
    sandrmur76 9 September 2013 19: 27
    +2
    It’s so hard for Syrians to fight terrorists, and here the amers will fly. It seems to me that this war has been started long ago. At first the amers messed up with other people’s hands, but now it’s time to finish off the air. Imagine how many spotters will highlight the targets. It’s just a misfortune. It’s a pity, but it seems to me not to resist. crying
  • bubla5
    bubla5 9 September 2013 19: 32
    +1
    I wish Syria and its people good, but everything depends on the will of the leader and the military, the Yugoslavs had more opportunities, but they were afraid to use all means
  • falcon
    falcon 9 September 2013 19: 38
    +3
    The article is sensible. But I would like to say this. Syrian air defense will be in any case.
    But here is the success criterion for resistance? 1. How many downed air targets (10-15-30) we
    consider a successful result? 2. What damage will the Americans consider unacceptable?
    We must really look at things, Syria’s air defense will not last long. But in the absence of
    Syrian government forces have good chances for US ground operation
    final victory. We will proceed from this.
  • LLIpaM
    LLIpaM 9 September 2013 19: 38
    0
    The people, maybe a little off topic, but damn it, has looked at the calendar now and honestly tell me it seems that the Americans will begin the bombing on Friday - September 13th. Why did you think so, because because of their podnokovskoy nature, it seems to me that they will try to make shows for themselves out of the grief of others - these are the headlines with which the Western newspapers will come out, they won’t miss this.
  • VadimSt
    VadimSt 9 September 2013 19: 41
    0
    Quote: Nitup
    Do not take articles of this kind seriously.

    I also thought about it. More "serious guys" from the General Staff could probably "reveal" the real situation, but, to the great dissatisfaction of the public and potential aggressors, they will not reveal it!
  • mirag2
    mirag2 9 September 2013 19: 43
    +3
    Syria’s air defense is weak and there’s nothing to be brave. Jewish planes have twice struck military targets and none of them were shot down. Is this not proof? Someone could be shot down, shot down. An outdated Turkish F-4 was shot down, and an outdated fleet cannot handle modern aircraft .Those. the newer systems that they have in service, probably they are few and it’s not known where they are, and Jewish planes could fly around them, possibly using terrain, relief, so that the aircraft, if desired, can strike without being hit by air defense systems Perhaps they will be able to destroy a certain number of enemy cruise missiles. But no more than that. Although the program of flight of cruise missiles can also lay a route that goes around dangerous areas.
  • krpmlws
    krpmlws 9 September 2013 19: 50
    0
    I did not understand the author of the article, he writes that the first targets of cruise missiles will be air defense. He always believed that the crusters strike stationary targets, the location of which is sewn up in cr. I think that the first strikes will be launched against anti-radar missiles and only then use cr.
  • ATATA
    ATATA 9 September 2013 19: 52
    +1
    As an element, air defense will not save Syria!
    Most locators with the overwhelming numerical and technical superiority of the United States will be destroyed in the first hours of the attack. After that, anti-aircraft missile launchers will become useless scrap.
    Calm down already with Syrian air defense!
    By planes or axes, the United States will drive Syria into the Stone Age.
    Rather, with axes, so as not to risk it, pilots, expensive aircraft and political reputation.
    The only air defense of Syria will be able to work if the radars of our ships give target designation.
    Flush our US ships suss.
    And so most likely it is planned.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 9 September 2013 20: 15
      +4
      Quote: ATATA
      The only air defense of Syria will be able to work if the radars of our ships give target designation.

      Such interaction is practiced by months of hard training. And then there won't even be a week. Even if the Russians do their job 200%, the Arabs are unlikely to even understand what they mean. With all the consequences.
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 10 September 2013 05: 36
        +1
        Quote: Nagan
        Such interaction is practiced by months of hard training. And then there won't even be a week. Even if the Russians do their job 200%, the Arabs are unlikely to even understand what they mean. With all the consequences.

        This is just a computer interaction.
        It is embedded in the algorithms. No need to develop anything.
        1. 787nkx
          787nkx 10 September 2013 10: 05
          0
          The technique in the hands of the savage is iron.
          1. ATATA
            ATATA 10 September 2013 11: 10
            0
            Quote: 787nkx
            The technique in the hands of the savage is iron.

            What are you doing?
  • Revolver
    Revolver 9 September 2013 20: 11
    +2
    Otherwise, 40 missiles will fly into one Tomcat
    Wow, did Iran intend to bomb Syria too? The Tomkets [F-14] only remained with them, America had written off and cut their own for a long time so that Iran would not get spare parts on the occasion.
  • TAGIR
    TAGIR 9 September 2013 20: 27
    +3
    All - there will be NO WAR
  • Naval
    Naval 9 September 2013 20: 28
    +8
    Three days to hold out.

    To the madness of the brave we sing a song !!!
  • nikcris
    nikcris 9 September 2013 20: 41
    0
    Quote: matRoss
    Quote: Army1
    Put a plus for optimism.

    Russia will not harness directly now, but soon we will avenge you! "Satisfied with the ruins of the White House!" and we will write for you!

    Yeah. And then feed these blacks. We do not grow bananas without them, and they do not favor potatoes. Unless only in hempseed oil ... But Khrushchev also banned it from us with the filing of OF.
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 9 September 2013 20: 48
    +1
    They’ll dunk all the air defense and aviation with a massive blow .. Syria is too small a country and is surrounded by NATO bases and the most important thing is Israel’s near ... They’ll get down .. rockets .. and that they will be slaughtered for days .. Here the main spirit and unity of the Syrians .. and support neighboring countries .. There they can destroy air defense airfields infrastructure ... But if the population takes up arms .. for their homeland ... the tomahawks and bearded will be powerless .. all hope for this .. otherwise they will drive them into the Stone Age .. and all..
  • Druid
    Druid 9 September 2013 21: 01
    +3
    Again, "Visiting the Fairy Tale" ... if the United States strikes it will not withstand the Syrian air defense, even with or without advisers, the advisers will shoot down Tomahawks with a "magic bunch". What does it mean to hold out for 3 days? - as a unified system it is impossible only if the outbreaks.
    And “Priazovye” will simply be stupid to “write”, the Russians cannot help but use this chance.
    In Syria, according to any ALREADY, there are groups of special forces of Americans, without this in any way. They will open air defense positions as well.
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  • Tourist Breakfast
    Tourist Breakfast 9 September 2013 21: 03
    +9
    Everything, there will be no kina!

    Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Muallem, who is on an official visit to Moscow, said Damascus welcomes the Russian initiative to transfer Syrian chemical weapons under international control.

    "Minister Lavrov has put forward an initiative related to chemical weapons. In this regard, I declare: the Syrian Arab Republic welcomes the Russian initiative, proceeding from the concerns of the Russian leadership for the lives of our citizens and the security of our country," Interfax quotes the Syrian Foreign Minister

    UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon also expressed his support for the Russian initiative.
    1. a52333
      a52333 9 September 2013 21: 24
      +2
      Yeah, the news is on all channels. Well, yes, for McCain.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 9 September 2013 21: 37
        +1
        need to send wretched ties, maybe a bite and feel better.
        if true, then the move is magnificent
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 9 September 2013 21: 45
          0
          are there any McCain fans? !!!
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      3. Tourist Breakfast
        Tourist Breakfast 9 September 2013 21: 40
        +4
        Yeah, the news is on all channels. Well, yes, for McCain

        It still seems to me that Putin and Obama in this case played the classic "good cop - bad cop" scene.
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    3. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 9 September 2013 22: 23
      0
      I hope that you travel through Israel, otherwise it can lead to a burn-out like a tour.
    4. Russ69
      Russ69 9 September 2013 23: 49
      0
      Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
      UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon also expressed his support for the Russian initiative.

      The cool thing is that Keri was the first to talk about transferring arms under UN control, and he said that Syria would not do that. And then the offer was immediately accepted, the Americans again sat in a puddle, well, or wisely left ... By the way now to start the bombing, it will be more difficult ...
  • Makarov
    Makarov 9 September 2013 21: 05
    0
    Syrian perspective is not bright
  • individual
    individual 9 September 2013 21: 23
    +2
    The armchair "strategists" can assume anything.
    Life makes such amendments that all versions become fortunetelling on the coffee grounds, and reality exceeds all expectations.
    Remember how amazing that 13 NATO countries abandoned aggression in Syria.
    So that everything is not predictable, but you have to be ready for everything.
  • Strashila
    Strashila 9 September 2013 21: 29
    +3
    During the temporary USSR in 1988 (if I’m not mistaken) the Libyan issue was resolved by broadcasting the commander of the Soviet squadron in the Mediterranean Sea between Libya and the US Navy, all that would take off would be shot down and it would be crazy to go ... that’s it ... that’s it Enough. But now the time is not the USSR ... unfortunately for Syria.
  • IGS
    IGS 9 September 2013 21: 29
    +1
    Whatever happens, but Syria became the factor that led to the realization that it was impossible to retreat further. Further we will be. Even at this forum, while cautiously, but constantly, gradually, the ideas of the division of our country slip through, up to the separation of Siberia from the central part, and this is being discussed quite seriously. Note that they don't stutter about the Kuril Islands, the topic because of which they will immediately get a head, but about dividing the country in two, please, it seems like a fantasy ... but it all starts with a drop, in my opinion, such topics should be stopped right away. I can only assume that something will happen in Syria that the United States does not expect, or perhaps rather supposes, otherwise it would have been bombed long ago, but they expect that Russia will not agree to this. But here you have to understand that if the political elite of Russia merges Syria without a fight, it will undermine its power in the country itself, coming under attack from both "patriots" and "pro-Westerners", and the number of the latter will sharply increase among officials of all ranks, the lackey is looking for a strong master. The main thing is that all this does not lead to a global war. There is a feeling, after the G20, that many countries are thinking about it, the adopted documents, agreements, etc. remind agreements that tomorrow, the day after tomorrow, no one will remember. Let's see what happens. I remember the hackneyed phrase: "... but the world will not be the same."
  • Strashila
    Strashila 9 September 2013 21: 38
    +3
    I watched the return of Russian citizens from Syria ... noted one interview ... the woman talked about the chemical attack on August 21, about the children who were shown dead in the Western media ... these children were identified, only earlier they were abducted by militants, in the Western media it is natural about that silence.
  • Yuriwhite
    Yuriwhite 9 September 2013 21: 40
    0
    I don’t understand why the air defense of the SAR was already buried here? The most vulnerable link in a ground-based air defense system is an air defense missile system. If the AWACS will be carried out by the fleet of the Russian Federation or China and the air situation will be transferred to the air defense system of the ATS SAR, then its effectiveness and viability will increase by orders of magnitude. It is much more difficult to detect the launch / guidance radar and launch an air defense missile launcher than an ARL, but without an ARL, all air defense is blind.
  • Aeneas
    Aeneas 9 September 2013 21: 43
    +2
    a very controversial article, starting with the thesis about the "Syrian air defense system." The question is, what kind of "system" can there be if government troops are fighting the rebels in the suburbs of the Syrian capital, Damascus? .. There is no longer any "Syrian air defense system" for almost 2 years. The government forces can organize air defense of some important objects, which, however, will be suppressed, and can even resist for more than 3 days, acting from "ambushes". And if there are first successes, then you can get informational and political resonance.
    1. Yuriwhite
      Yuriwhite 9 September 2013 21: 50
      +1
      Why did you decide that there is no air defense system? I affirm that there is.
      The Syrian government troops are now reminiscent of a meat grinder that grinds militant units constantly replenished for money from the SA and the West, because a LOT of money has already been spent, but there is NO result. So the question arose about the blow by the NATO countries. And if there was a pipe with SAR anti-aircraft defense, would NATO have been caving for so long?
  • DPN
    DPN 9 September 2013 21: 45
    0
    Quote: Beck
    It is better for Assad not to prepare for war, but to urgently seek a political solution, it will be much more effective than air defense.

    For example, act like an ebn with a hunchback.
  • Druid
    Druid 9 September 2013 21: 49
    +2
    Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
    Damascus welcomes the Russian initiative to transfer Syrian chemical weapons under international control.
    So that's why the BDK crawled there ...
    It is interesting what will come of it. Russia does not stop to give the States a slap in the face, everything seems to have been beautifully thought up, and it may roll with the current position of the US allies, except for the Saudis and others like them.

    Russia will get this option or not, now wait where the States will answer either the Saudis or the States with their hands, so far only the Caucasus, Sochi and the Olympics come to mind.
    1. Tourist Breakfast
      Tourist Breakfast 9 September 2013 22: 09
      +3
      You don’t understand anything? From the very beginning it was one continuous bluff! No one was going to bomb Syria, and there is no tension in relations between the USA and the Russian Federation. Friend Vladimir and Friend Barak divided roles and played a performance. Now everyone got their benefits from the current situation - Putin adjusted his rating inside the country in the wake of a jingoistic patriotic frenzy, and Obama did not allow himself to be drawn into the war, despite all the efforts of the Saudis and Co.
      End of episode, credits.
      1. Marconi41
        Marconi41 10 September 2013 06: 47
        0
        Quite a decent script. The main thing is that after the credits there would be no inscription "to be continued". With respect.
  • Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 9 September 2013 21: 55
    +3
    based on the news half an hour ago - Obama did jump off his "zugzwang" .... and there is a real chance to save his little black face. Syria's chemical weapons are under international control, and - oh-pa, there is no need to fight, but as if India forced Syria to part with chemical weapons ... Obama saved the world !!!

    Well, figs with him, we then know how everything really is .... (GDP is a huge respect)
  • coserg 2012
    coserg 2012 9 September 2013 21: 55
    0
    I put (+) for the article, read all the comments and wanted to ruin everything in the sandbox out of general hopelessness, throw the bucket along with the scoop and go home. And one more thing. My friend once served in the crew of the "shilka", so when they dragged the plane cone-target, for the sake of joke, they did not shoot at the target, but interrupted the cable. If the Syrians have half of these "shilok" left, the enemy aircraft will not be at all sweet.