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An-148: Iranian contract and current problems

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In the first days of September, the Ukrainian media circulated newsregarding several recent developments aviation industry of Ukraine. According to press reports, Iran intends to purchase 40 An-148 and An-140 aircraft from Ukraine. The term of signing and the details of this contract have not yet been specified. Iran already has experience in operating Ukrainian An-140 aircraft and therefore can expand the fleet of airliners with the help of new An-brand equipment.


An-148: Iranian contract and current problems


According to estimates by Iranian analysts, by 2021, the country should use at least 600 passenger aircraft. 270 of them must have from 100 to 150 places. With so many airplanes and such payload parameters, Iran’s civilian air fleet will be able to efficiently carry cargo and passenger flights under the conditions of the next years. Currently, Iranian civil aviation is mainly composed of Soviet and Russian aircraft. Due to various sanctions, Iranian state and private organizations cannot acquire equipment produced in a number of Western countries. In this regard, Iran has shown great interest in Russian and Ukrainian aircraft.

Iran’s possible purchase of Ukrainian aircraft will be useful not only for Iranian air carriers. To date, only 26 units of An-148 aircraft have been built. The news about the Iranian contract includes almost one and a half times the large number - 40 of boards. Thus, only one contract will significantly increase the pace of production of aircraft, which will have a beneficial effect on all organizations and enterprises related to the creation and construction of the An-148 aircraft.

However, the state of the An-148 project is not as positive as its creators would like. This aircraft made its first flight in the 2004 year, and in the middle of the 2009, the first production vehicles began to operate. Since then, only two and a half dozen such aircraft have been built, most of which are used by various Russian organizations. There are also orders for the construction of several dozen aircraft. At the same time, according to some calculations, the total market potential of An-148 is a few hundred units that can find work in the next 10-12 years.

A large number of orders, and in the future, the construction of aircraft for Iran, is associated with some difficulties of a production nature. Initially, the construction of An-148 was carried out at the Kiev factory of the Antonov company, but the modest capabilities of this enterprise did not allow a significant increase in production rates. Because of this, we had to negotiate and deploy licensed construction at the Voronezh Aviation Plant (VASO). This step has significantly increased the pace of production of Ukrainian aircraft and improved their export prospects.



A number of specialists believe that the low rate of production of the An-148 aircraft and difficulties in entering the market are politically motivated. On the basis of the An-148, planes of several variants can be built, differing from each other in capacity of the passenger compartment, etc. characteristics. However, some of the options for the An-148 may be direct competitors to the latest Russian design - the SuperJet 100 aircraft. This, according to a fairly common opinion, caused some problems of the Ukrainian project.

The assumption of a “confrontation” between two aircraft finds both confirmations and arguments against it. This version is supported by the fact that the Russian aircraft manufacturers, referring to the workload of production, refused to expand the construction of the An-148 elongated modification called An-158 at their enterprises. In the base case, this aircraft is capable of carrying 99 passengers to a distance of 2500 kilometers. Thus, An-158 becomes a direct competitor of the Russian "Superjet". However, the assumption about the political background of the An-148 situation can be refuted by the fact that the Russian United Aircraft Building Corporation nevertheless agreed to begin production of the Ukrainian aircraft at its enterprises. Thus, the question of the reasons for the not so great success of the newest Ukrainian aircraft remains open.

According to the official information of the Antonov company, the An-148 may be interested in a large number of airlines and other aircraft operators. As one of the main advantage of the aircraft is the possibility of operation from ground airfields and performance in a wide range of temperatures, from -55 to + 45 degrees. A number of arguments in favor of the An-148 relate to its power plant. Allegedly, the two engines D-436-148 provide efficiency at the level of the best world achievements, and also give the aircraft a high power-to-hand ratio. The aggregate characteristics of An-148 is often called at least one of the best aircraft of its class in the world.

Nevertheless, one of the best aircraft in its class is not yet expected to be popular. The number of machines built and ordered leaves much to be desired, and the project's prospects are still vague and ambiguous. The latest news about a possible contract for the supply of aircraft to Iran sounds optimistic and can have a positive impact on the entire project. However, at the moment information about a possible contract has not received official confirmation of the parties. Therefore, the state of the project An-148 continues to be ambiguous and generating controversy.

On the materials of the sites:
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http://kommersant.ua/
http://periscope2.ru/
http://russianplanes.net/
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  1. xetai9977
    xetai9977 9 September 2013 08: 48 New
    +1
    Iran has a very limited choice. The country is under sanctions. Let Ukrainians not be offended, but we were once burned on Ukrainian planes in the late 90s. In my opinion, 6 brand new AN-s were purchased. And the very first flight to Aktau ended in disaster. The investigation revealed a factory defect. The remaining aircraft returned back.
    1. elmi
      elmi 9 September 2013 09: 01 New
      11
      Iran first of all needs to buy air defense systems, locators, electronic warfare equipment in Ukraine, since Russia can not deliver C-300, then at least through 3 countries should be sold.
      1. Genry
        Genry 9 September 2013 09: 25 New
        +1
        There is no electronics production in Ukraine at all - pure imports. Therefore, there is no question of any reliable weapons for air defense. Everything will work out with "bookmarks".
    2. avt
      avt 9 September 2013 09: 59 New
      +4
      Quote: xetai9977
      Iran has a very limited choice. The country is under sanctions. Let Ukrainians not be offended, but we were once burned on Ukrainian planes in the late 90s. In my opinion, 6 brand new AN-s were purchased. And the very first flight to Aktau ended in disaster. The investigation revealed a factory defect. The remaining aircraft returned back.

      Yes, this is how I missed the fate of An in Azerbaijan, but what about --- ,, At the same time, some of the An-148 variants may be direct competitors of the newest Russian development - the SuperJet 100 aircraft. This, according to a fairly widespread opinion, is due to some of the problems of the Ukrainian project. "---- This author quite accurately noticed, as well as ------ ,, A large number of orders, and in the future the construction of aircraft for Iran, is associated with some difficulties of a production nature. Initially, the construction of An- 148 was carried out at the Kiev plant of the company "Antonov", but the modest capabilities of this enterprise did not allow to significantly increase the rate of production. Because of this, it was necessary to negotiate and deploy licensed construction at the Voronezh aircraft plant (VASO). This step allowed to significantly increase the rate of production of Ukrainian aircraft and improve their export prospects. "--- this probably really saved the car from the fate of the An-70, they managed to agree on time and start the series.
      Quote: xetai9977
      Iran has a very limited choice.

      And here you can’t argue. But besides airplanes, they still have a lot of problems with maintenance and the airfield network, its equipment, and with the slovenliness of the hot Iranian guys, there were certainly several accidents due to no technical fault, which was the topic of the previous article on the site.
    3. smersh70
      smersh70 9 September 2013 10: 58 New
      +2
      Quote: xetai9977
      but we were once burned on Ukrainian planes in the late 90s.



      ahead)) just wanted to write about it)))))))))))
    4. Chicot 1
      Chicot 1 9 September 2013 16: 10 New
      +3
      Quote: xetai9977
      on Ukrainian planes in the late 90s. In my opinion, 6 brand new AN-s were purchased. And the first flight to Aktau ended in disaster

      Quote: smersh70
      ahead)) just wanted to write about it)))))))))))

      I'll write. Accident on Baku-Aktau flight did not occur "late 90s", and on December 23, 2005. The flight was carried out on an An-140 aircraft. The disaster occurred over the Caspian Sea. 23 people (18 passengers and 5 crew members) were killed in it ...
      This is one of four catastrophes that occurred with the aircraft of Azerbaijan Airlines for the entire time of their existence, and one of the three accidents with the An-140 aircraft. God forbid, let them be the last ...
  2. 0255
    0255 9 September 2013 09: 31 New
    +3
    But will An-148 deliveries break from Obama’s supply, like the S-300? Or MiG-35 for Syria?
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  4. EwgenyZ
    EwgenyZ 9 September 2013 09: 45 New
    +6
    Nice and interesting plane. However, the recent actions of the Ukrainian government to bring it closer to the EU may put an end to this project. Europeans can ban Ukrainians from selling these planes to Iran, you understand the sanctions. Yes, and Airbus with great pleasure will contribute ....
    1. Akim
      Akim 9 September 2013 10: 20 New
      +4
      Quote: EwgenyZ
      Europeans can ban Ukrainians from selling these planes to Iran, you understand the sanctions.

      Question. And why now such a ban does not apply? Or is it just said that it will become worse?
      UN sanctions:
      Sanctions against Iran prohibit export to Iran of atomic, missile and significant part of military products

      A ban on aircraft or their components (US developments) was imposed by sanctions by Washington (as well as Cuba and North Korea, too).
      1. EwgenyZ
        EwgenyZ 9 September 2013 10: 48 New
        +2
        Why is it not working now? And if they are forbidden, the big question will now arise: Does Ukraine need the EU? Although Yanukovych burns and rogues, he understands well how this can end for Him (curtailing Ukrainian pride - Antonov Antonov Antonov Scientific and Technical Council.
        "Due to various sanctions, Iranian state and private organizations cannot acquire equipment manufactured in a number of Western countries. In this regard, Iran is showing great interest in Russian and Ukrainian aircraft." Quite rightly stated.
        1. Akim
          Akim 9 September 2013 11: 02 New
          +3
          Quote: EwgenyZ
          And if they are forbidden, the big question will now arise: Does Ukraine need the EU?

          On what legal basis can they impose a ban on a sovereign state that is located in the FTZ with them and it does not delegate part of its rights to a supranational body? No emotions please? Or do you not distinguish the difference between the EU / CU structure and the free trade area?
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          2. EwgenyZ
            EwgenyZ 9 September 2013 11: 22 New
            +2
            Yes, I am without emotion))) I can tell the difference. Just tell me why the FTA cart creaked right now, when for Ukraine the issue of the CU and the EU, as they say, "became an edge." And they will come up with a "legal" basis, rest assured. The Americans have come up with a basis for Syria, and so the Europeans will come up with a basis for Iran.
            1. Akim
              Akim 9 September 2013 11: 43 New
              +3
              Quote: EwgenyZ
              Just tell me why the FTA cart creaked right now, when for Ukraine the issue of the CU and the EU, as they say, "became an edge"

              I do not see the cornerstone in the choice, because at the moment there is no choice. Of the economic associations, there is a TS into which Ukraine can join. But from the West there is nothing. Association means a vague prospect for entry, which is determined by a referendum. And your politician and Russian citizen only scare. Ukraine is not legally included in EU structures. And the free trade zone has creaked now, because it was not there before.
              And Brussels will not be able to introduce legal grounds to ban exports to third countries. In this case, it can only regulate EU-Ukraine trade import / export standards.
              Relations between Turkey and the European Union, the European Community, today are based on the Agreement establishing an association between the European Economic Community and the Republic of Turkey, concluded on September 12, 1963 in Ankara. The agreement entered into force in 1964 after it passed ratification in the Turkish Parliament and in all national parliaments of the Member States of the Union and the Communities.
              1. EwgenyZ
                EwgenyZ 9 September 2013 12: 17 New
                +1
                Quote: Akim
                And Brussels will not be able to introduce legal grounds to ban exports to third countries.

                I agree that he cannot. They will simply promise to suspend the "integration" and business.
                1. Akim
                  Akim 9 September 2013 12: 38 New
                  +3
                  Quote: EwgenyZ
                  They will simply promise to suspend the "integration" and business.

                  You don't read Hitchcock at night? The Ukrainian businessman, like the Russian one, will do nothing, to his FAVORITE, to the detriment. and aircraft making good profit
          3. Nicholas C.
            Nicholas C. 9 September 2013 13: 27 New
            0
            Quote: Akim
            On what legal basis can they impose a ban on a sovereign state that is located in the FTZ with them and it does not delegate part of its rights to a supranational body? No emotions please? Or do you not distinguish the difference between the EU / CU structure and the free trade area?

            Do you ever tell the truth?

            Ukraine does not sign an FTA with Europe, but a POLITICAL ASSOCIATION. FTA in it is only carrot. Under an association agreement, Ukraine is obliged to adopt about 300 laws in the wording of Europe for Ukraine and by-laws. A lot of things for Ukraine will be regulated by Brussels, without any obligations on its part.

            Smart people say that this is death for Ukrainian industry, and not just aviation.
            Smart. But not svidomye.
            1. Akim
              Akim 9 September 2013 14: 41 New
              +8
              Quote: Nikolai S.
              Do you ever tell the truth? ...
              Smart people say that this is death for Ukrainian industry, and not just aviation.

              It turns out never, for the TRUTH is what you want to hear. Political association this means that Ukraine will implement political, socio-economic, legal and institutional reforms in accordance with EU standards(In the language of the average person, this means that you have Euro outlets, but you are definitely not in the EU). Smart is it like Medvedchuk? Tired of hearing horror stories! I will not come to you for a piece of bread, because no one will interrupt economic ties with Russia. Is it really not clear that every bourgeois praises his decision.
              The laws will naturally be changed and adopted, but those that do not contradict the Constitution. This is an economic package. Of course, this agreement is not "manna from heaven", but also not "fear of God", as some portray.
              And you yourself read and analyze, and do not listen to "knowledgeable" people.
              It’s hard in Ukrainian - let me through the translator
              1. Nicholas C.
                Nicholas C. 9 September 2013 15: 39 New
                0
                Quote: Akim
                Laws will naturally be amended and adopted, but those that do not contradict the Constitution. This is an economic package.


                Economic? Everyone can read to make sure that you are telling a lie: glavred.info/politika/obnarodovan-tekst-soglashenie-ob-associacii-ukrainy-i-es-2
                52706.html

                You will adopt laws not "in accordance with the norms of the Customs Union", but those that the EU requires: economic, political, defense, etc. For example, Egypt has signed a political association with the EU, but no one lives there "according to EU norms".

                Quote: Akim
                nobody will interrupt economic ties with Russia

                Ukraine in this Association will be forced to interrupt, and Russia will be forced to interrupt, because in order to protect your market, you will have to trade with Ukraine as with any other distant country. We will have to abolish the laws on the avoidance of double taxation, and many others. etc. Under these conditions, Ukrainian products on the CU market will also be uncompetitive as in the EU. Smart people, for example, Boguslaev, have been developing their production in TS for a long time. But if now these are repair factories, then his next step is curious. Tellingly, even Poroshenko launched his automobile and confectionery industries in Russia. But the orange director of Antonov Kiva is unable to negotiate. Therefore, since it was not possible to agree on the planes in the best times, now it is no longer destiny. And the Europeans received drawings from Antonov for free and made their own transport. Is not it? They do not need the Kiev Design Bureau.

                And the price of the Constitution in Ukraine is cheaper than toilet paper, because it’s even inconvenient for the authorities to wipe it. It would be different if they held a referendum on the choice of a union, and did not prosecute the initiators of such a referendum.

                PS. Do not continue the discussion with me. Again, something to falsify, but I do not mean in this constructive.
                1. Corneli
                  Corneli 9 September 2013 18: 07 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Nikolai S.
                  Economic? Everyone can read to make sure that you are telling a lie: glavred.info/politika/obnarodovan-tekst-soglashenie-ob-associacii-ukrainy-i-es-2

                  52706.html

                  "Sorry, the page you were looking for was not found.
                  You can go back or use the menu below to go to an interesting section of the site: "
                  And what was written there?
                  1. Akim
                    Akim 9 September 2013 18: 24 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Corneli
                    "Sorry, the page you were looking for was not found.

                    Copy and paste into the address bar of the browser.
                    But anyway, to read the text of the agreement, you will need to click on the external link
                    http://comeuroint.rada.gov.ua/komevroint/doccatalog/document?id=56219
                  2. Nicholas C.
                    Nicholas C. 9 September 2013 18: 25 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Corneli
                    Sorry, the page you were looking for was not found.

                    Have you tried to delete the spaces that the site engine inserts into the long link in the machine? A universal recipe, where it happens a lot, is even inconvenient to explain.
                    1. Corneli
                      Corneli 9 September 2013 18: 55 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Nikolai S.
                      Have you tried to delete the spaces that the site engine inserts into the long link in the machine? A universal recipe, where it happens a lot, is even inconvenient to explain.

                      I stuck 1 space, I apologize.
            2. Avenger711
              Avenger711 9 September 2013 21: 29 New
              -1
              Let it die, they’ll go hungry for about 10 years, all sensible shots will leave for Russia, and the question will not be about some kind of vehicle, but back to the USSR with the fragmentation of the territory of the former Ukrainian SSR by regions and the elimination of Ukraine as a phenomenon.
  5. avt
    avt 9 September 2013 10: 02 New
    +1
    Quote: EwgenyZ
    Nice and interesting plane.

    Yes .
    Quote: EwgenyZ
    However, the recent actions of the Ukrainian government to bring it closer to the EU may put an end to this project.

    They can slip through - the production is real with us.
    Quote: EwgenyZ
    Europeans may prohibit Ukrainians from selling these aircraft to Iran, you understand the sanctions

    Again, if through us, as a joint production, then it will give a ride.
    1. EwgenyZ
      EwgenyZ 9 September 2013 10: 56 New
      0
      Quote: avt
      They can slip through - the real production is with us
      Of course they can, but the Iranians are negotiating with the Ukrainians, and you know "our" position very well.
  6. Algor73
    Algor73 9 September 2013 10: 28 New
    +6
    Iran might buy these planes, but who will build them? There is no efficiency, continuous bureaucracy, corruption, etc. This project is beneficial both for Ukraine and for Russia, since the main facilities are VASO. Decide on the construction at the highest level (presidents), well, where is it seen? Are these the laws of the market? At such a pace, it’s not like planes and tractors to be able to build (example - KhTZ, YuMZ). Western Russia was flooded with the whole of Russia and Ukraine, and we ourselves are no longer able to do it ourselves. Each aircraft released differs from the previous one and that is significant. Is this a series? This applies not only to Ukraine; in Russia, things are no better.
    1. Akim
      Akim 9 September 2013 10: 32 New
      +4
      Quote: Algor73
      Iran might buy these planes, but who will build them?

      Itself and build, as IrAn-140.
    2. Avenger711
      Avenger711 9 September 2013 21: 23 New
      0
      In Russia there is SSJ. That only emphasizes the need to expel the An-148 from the Russian Federation. Until Ukraine understands that without Russian markets it will die of hunger, it must be flogged. And anyway with a fig whether we should let an outsider into our domestic market.
  7. denson06
    denson06 9 September 2013 11: 01 New
    12
    The plane is really magnificent .. Well done Antonovtsy .. old school ..
    I sincerely wish you good luck in the aircraft industry, new contracts and good salaries .. hi
  8. zmey_gadukin
    zmey_gadukin 9 September 2013 11: 54 New
    +3
    The whole question is in lobbying for interests. Until our woodpeckers begin to lobby for interests at the state level (read kickbacks where necessary), Antonov will graze the rear in world aircraft trade.
    We can only take a crack ... bastards ...
  9. nnz226
    nnz226 9 September 2013 12: 20 New
    +2
    The most important thing: there is no production capacity in Ukraine ("toughness" on Derzhmov) for mass production of aircraft, and there will not be! To build an aircraft plant is, either as in the first five-year plans, or - to find an investor, and who will produce competitors! And Russia will produce what is beneficial to it, and not to the interests of potential defectors to the EU ...
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 9 September 2013 13: 04 New
      0
      Quote: nnz226
      production capacity ("toughness" on Derzhmov)
      good good laughing
    2. Slobozhanin
      Slobozhanin 9 September 2013 22: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: nnz226
      The most important thing: there is no production capacity in Ukraine ("toughness" on Derzhmov) for mass production of aircraft, and there will not be! To build an aircraft plant is, either as in the first five-year plans, or - to find an investor, and who will produce competitors! And Russia will produce what is beneficial to it, and not to the interests of potential defectors to the EU ...

      There is a factory in Kharkov and is bored ... now it is doing it on the sly, but it could also increase the volume.
  10. pinecone
    pinecone 9 September 2013 14: 16 New
    +1
    Quote: nnz226
    The most important thing: there is no production capacity in Ukraine ("toughness" on Derzhmov) for mass production of aircraft, and there will not be! To build an aircraft plant is, either as in the first five-year plans, or - to find an investor, and who will produce competitors! And Russia will produce what is beneficial to it, and not to the interests of potential defectors to the EU ...


    Despite the sanctions of the world community, the size of Iran's gold and foreign exchange reserves is at a very decent level of about $ 70 billion. Iran surpasses such countries as Canada and Sweden in this indicator. The gold reserve is 340 tons, the annual gold production is more than 10 tons. Ukraine could well offer the Iranian side to finance the expansion of production capacity, or even the construction of a new aircraft factory with the condition of repayment of the debt by deliveries of finished products.
    1. Avenger711
      Avenger711 9 September 2013 21: 22 New
      +2
      Iran surpasses such countries as Canada and Sweden in this indicator.


      With a population of 3.5 anonymus versus 80 million from Iran.
  11. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 9 September 2013 15: 17 New
    +1
    Interesting infa, however ... Adds sharpness to the correspondence dispute between the "innovative" Pogosyanovsky "SSD-100" and Antonov's brainchild. It looks especially interesting against the background of the Mexican contract, which includes 20 units. "SSD-100" ...
    I confess honestly and frankly - "Super-Jet" personally gives me an attack of persistent allergies. Mr. Poghosyan himself causes an even more persistent attack in me. So personally, I wish you the best of luck in this dispute, namely the An-148 ...
    But if suddenly it seems to someone very "unpatriotic", then I would like to remind you that the Ukrainian An-148 has much more Russian components than the Russian SSD-100. It is a fact. And he, like any other fact, is very stubborn ...

    PS By the way, this my 2000th comments on the site. bully A trifle, but nice ... smile
    1. Bear52
      Bear52 9 September 2013 17: 27 New
      +1
      You can wish good luck, this is a good thing ...
      That's what bothers me: the Iranians were ready to buy a good batch of Tu-204x = turned out to be nizzya! (PS-90!).
      Really through avionics this business is not slowed down?
      I'm afraid that easily request
      1. Akim
        Akim 9 September 2013 17: 59 New
        +1
        Quote: Bear52
        Really through avionics this business is not slowed down?
        I'm afraid that easily

        Havana and Pyongyang Antonovites collect planes. This is the only enterprise, in addition to the Chinese (who do not care), is able to circumvent American sanctions.
  12. Cristall
    Cristall 9 September 2013 17: 29 New
    +2
    pretty plane. There is a purpose in life to fly on it. Never flew. So to the goal, take the hook train and fly to An 148/158
    As for solutions and problems.
    That policy agrees, some problems. The way out is to negotiate with firms. It is a pity of course that they, too, cannot take independent decisions.
    The problem is not in ANTK - the company needs to live, it is not up to tricks, I want it, I want it, I will not. There will be no new sales - less profit, fewer prospects. Well, they survived thanks to their airline and cooperation with the Germans and the Volga-Dnepr. Try to build and promote. The problem is that there is no factory .. more precisely, it exists but cannot draw a large series. There were never any big factories in Ukraine. This is not 1913-farman on Anatra.
    Maybe it's easier to build a plant there in Iran? Or will it be too difficult? Or sell a license with komplektuhi .. I don’t know - but there are always chances.
  13. Sirs
    Sirs 9 September 2013 17: 47 New
    0
    These countries are ancient and survive such as the USA and England, so we need to support this market.
  14. Druid
    Druid 9 September 2013 19: 46 New
    +1
    Quote: xetai9977
    Let Ukrainians not be offended, but we once got burned on Ukrainian planes in the late 90s. In my opinion, 6 brand new AN-s were purchased. And the very first flight to Aktau ended in disaster.
    Iranians have also been burned more than once. There is simply no way out.
    Modern ANs are convertiplanes, which at any moment can turn from an airplane into a coffin.
  15. Alex 241
    Alex 241 9 September 2013 19: 50 New
    +1
    Quote: Druid
    Modern ANs are convertiplanes

    Strong statement.
  16. Avenger711
    Avenger711 9 September 2013 21: 20 New
    0
    An-148 is practically a dead body, it does not have certificates to work in "civilized" markets and it is not necessary to dream that it will be bought as SSJ, for example, by Mexico, or Indonesia, or Poland, or by someone else serious. Iran, North Korea and Cuba simply have no choice, the West prohibits its manufacturers from selling aircraft to these countries, I think even SSJ with its engines under the French trademark will not be bought.
    SSJ, having started production 2 years later, the An-148 has already been delivered in larger quantities.
    1. Corneli
      Corneli 9 September 2013 23: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: Avenger711
      SSJ, having started production 2 years later, the An-148 has already been delivered in larger quantities.

      To whom?) Aeroflot in the order? Yes, and produced so far 26 anov, yes 33 jets. Not such a global difference. And if at least half of that dough and half of efforts to promote it to the market had been spent on AN, as was done for a jet ... I can’t even imagine how many there would already be
    2. vBR
      vBR 10 September 2013 02: 15 New
      +1
      if at least a third of the SSJ were infused into the production and promotion of the Ans, 400 would have flown in the CIS, Latin America, and Iran. How much can you repeat: SSJ is a harmful project for our aviation industry (and a rather crap airplane for operational characteristics), 80% of the aircraft’s cost is instrumentation and radio equipment, electrics, engines, hydraulics. Dry ones make only a glider, and Poghosyan is certainly pleased with this. But the rest of the factories and design bureaus are neither cold nor hot from this. More precisely, the rest of the UAC leaders simply push and deprive funds. On Antonov, all this is ours. SSJ can please only people far from aviation, from our aviation. Or manager-sawmills of dough, which do not care about national interests from a high bell tower
  17. Cristall
    Cristall 9 September 2013 21: 49 New
    +1
    so what are you) compare the infusion of projects, cost, support. Marvel at how humble An was able to exist and survive.
    Comparing the planes themselves is incorrect. They are from different weight categories. You can go to Super 158.
    What about certificates? Which ones?
    http://vpk.name/news/93810_obshii_nalet_samoletov_an148_proizvodstva_vaso_prevyi

    sil_60_tyisyach_chasov.html
    It says that the flight to Berlin was already in 2011. Or is Berlin not a civilization?
    Maybe there are no certificates, but even struck on Google - made flights to Europe.
    An's problems are standard for our firms. It is surprising that he appeared at all. But so far he is developing slowly.
    Here found
    Financial and economic aspects
    production of An-148 and SSJ100 aircraft in Russia in 2011-2012.

    Aircraft Type: An-148 // SSJ100
    Manufacturer: VASO // GSS
    Year: 2011/2012 // 2011/2012
    Number of aircraft delivered: 2/4 // 5/12
    Sales revenue, billion rubles .: 1,346 / 3,077 // 2,951 / 7,736
    Average revenue per aircraft, mln. USD: 20,9 / 25,3 // 18,3 / 21,2
    Average cost of one aircraft, million USD: 30,1 / 34,9 // 33,1 / 28,8
    Loss on sales, billion rubles: 0,590 / 1,166 // 2,377 / 2,757
    Loss per aircraft, million USD: 9,2 / 9,6 // 14,8 / 7,6
    Catalog base version price, mln. USD: 28/30 // 31,7 / 35,4

    Source: National Aerospace Journal "Vzlyot", No. 4 (April) / 2013
    1. Avenger711
      Avenger711 10 September 2013 01: 09 New
      0
      Berlin is civilization, but foreign customers are not "Korey" something is not visible anyway.
  18. Sashko07
    Sashko07 10 September 2013 00: 36 New
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    Quote: Avenger711
    Let it die, they’ll go hungry for about 10 years, all sensible shots will leave for Russia, and the question will not be about some kind of vehicle, but back to the USSR with the fragmentation of the territory of the former Ukrainian SSR by regions and the elimination of Ukraine as a phenomenon.

    No, you’ll die a drunk first.
    1. Akim
      Akim 10 September 2013 01: 02 New
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      Quote: Sashko07
      No, you’ll die a drunk first.


      If I put cons, I would put. Offending is the last thing. Arguing that you are right is more valuable evidence. And the fact that he does not agree. with your or my point of view - so a person has the right to a personal opinion.
      1. Sashko07
        Sashko07 10 September 2013 23: 51 New
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        Of course, a person has the right to his opinion, but he has no right to write "let it die" in the address of my, albeit not so good, but my country. I would never make such a statement to Russia, you are good, you are bad, it doesn’t matter, but only the last TVA can write "let them die".
  19. Cristall
    Cristall 10 September 2013 01: 56 New
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    I support. You should never be like that.
    By the way, what is “Liquidation of Ukrainians”? Even under the USSR, this was not the case.
    Sometimes it’s a shame that they divide and divide the country along the Dnieper, then across the regions. But we ourselves do not want to share!
    Well, okay, this is politics - and this is an airplane. Hour spent here on the forum
    http://forum.polismi.org/index.php?/topic/6064-%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%B7-%D0%BE-%
    D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BC-%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BA-%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B0%D1%8D%D0%BA%D1%81%
    D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%82-%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE-%D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%83%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%B5%
    D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8C-%D1%81%D1%83/
    VO reminded me very much. Ukrainian on the forum is excellent. Although he is being shot down for politics and others, he stubbornly does not notice provocations. I learned a lot.
    Oh by the way - the link on the forum. The site, which provides support for SSJ as opposed to the AN lobby - in pursuit of the arguments, brought the Russian part to AN 148 very miserable ...
    http://superjet100.info/wiki:iz-cego-sdelan-an-148
    The site seems to pretend to be serious, makes serious mistakes even in the chapters of the topic. Anyway.
    these are the conclusions they made
    So, at least 50% (officially pronounced) goes to Ukraine, and another 20-30% - to the west. In the long history about the allegedly "Russian" AN-148, one can put an end to it.
    I don’t know, there are a lot of numbers on the site and the name itself already speaks of a possible opinion. Yes, and mistakes to face.
    However, infa is also useful. In general, I was shocked by the number of Ukrainian factories that work in the aircraft industry. I generally thought that we can only engine and body. And there, it turns out, a lot of things are.
    Continued exploration of this site leads to a more engaged.
    http://pod100lom.livejournal.com/1046.html
    In general, perhaps you are all in the know. When I was in VO, I used to read the topics of An vs Super and so on. For me, only one fact is needed, and both. The main threat is the loss of domestic aviation. Transition to used.
  20. vanderhaas
    vanderhaas 10 September 2013 03: 50 New
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    Quote: EwgenyZ
    Nice and interesting plane. However, the recent actions of the Ukrainian government to bring it closer to the EU may put an end to this project. Europeans can ban Ukrainians from selling these planes to Iran, you understand the sanctions. Yes, and Airbus with great pleasure will contribute ....

    And Kiva will build the AN-140/148 production here in Wichita, next to the AN-70. Boeing will be very time to annoy Airbus, and it will take people to production. Nobody buys their Boeings at all, here to Kiev to bow ... (A joke of humor).
  21. Cristall
    Cristall 10 September 2013 23: 17 New
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    And then the EU to our joint projects? It will be necessary to cooperate - we will cooperate. There is even mercantile interest. Business for money. Even a politician cannot do anything about it.
    And ANTK, like MS and Zorya and others, are either outside of politics or are trying to use it. It is understandable. With a black sheep, even a tuft of wool.
  22. samolet il-76
    samolet il-76 12 December 2013 12: 16 New
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    And I heard about the An-158!