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Battleship by the new rules of the game

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Yesterday, Deputy Minister of Defense for Arms Yuri Borisov held a meeting on military shipbuilding. Listing all the mistakes that led to the disruption of previous state armament programs, he called for a radical review of relations between military structures and the shipbuilding industry. The meeting was the first of its kind: soon similar events will affect aviation component and aerospace defense forces.


The speech of Mr. Borisov was held yesterday at the Krylov State Research Center (St. Petersburg). He noted that the last three state armaments programs (LG) were not fulfilled due to a number of reasons: incorrect estimation of the forecasted allocations, high inflation, low advances, undervalued prices adopted during the formation of LG, and advanced growth in the cost of products. "All this made the state program inoperable the next year after its adoption," the deputy minister frankly admitted, stressing that the pricing problem is particularly acute in shipbuilding, where "the cost of the ship is comparable to the budget of a large city." The Deputy Minister also noted the presence of a large number of research works carried out by the Ministry of Industry and Trade and not agreed with the Navy. "As a result, the R & D program lives separately from the LG, and the industrial base does not provide a scientific and technical basis for the development of advanced weapons and military equipment," said Mr. Borisov. "As a result, several lead and serial ships cannot be handed over in due time that development work has not been completed. "

As Kommersant found out, the first problem was encountered when creating a diesel-electric submarine of the 677 project.

"The lead model was planned to be delivered in 2007 year, however, trial operation began only in 2010, because tests of the Lyra test sonar complex were not fully carried out, and the CRM-66 radar surveillance system was not completed in time," the source said. " “Ministry of Defense. - The work with the electrodynamic separator was not completed, and they could not reach the full power of the electric propulsion system for a long time." The second problem was revealed, in particular, during the creation of the 20380 project corvette: there, he said, tests of a whole range of armament complexes were not completed: the Redoubt anti-aircraft missile, the Monument-A radio-electronic, and the Anti-submarine Package. As a result, the deadlines for the delivery of the N1002 corvette were transferred from 2011 to 2012 year, N1003 from 2011 to 2013, and N1004 from 2012 to 2014.

Yuri Borisov reminded the audience yesterday and about President Putin’s instructions to develop a X-NUMX for the beginning of the year by the forces of the Ministry of Defense and Defense Complex a long-term program of military shipbuilding up to 2014. According to him, this program will ensure progressive evolutionary development of the naval composition of the ship, a reduction in the type of ship projects and an increase in their serial production. Afterwards, he urged those gathered in the Krylov Center to consider the issue of coordinated development of the industrial and technological base of industry with the plans of the Navy to build ships.

The interlocutors of Kommersant, who attended the closed part of the meeting, noted that the main message of the spokespersons of the Navy’s main headquarters was to build fundamentally new relations both in the development of the new state armament program before 2025 and in its implementation. ". “We need a systematic approach,” Yuri Borisov told Kommersant. “The current state program is revolutionary: when it was accepted, everything was bad in rearmament issues and it was necessary to reach a new level at any cost,” Borisov told Kommersant .- When developing the next military program, we would like to focus on quality, since the amount of its funding will be less than the current one. " The deputy minister noted that the technical tasks to be developed will strive for maximum unification, an optimal type, and also pay for a longer life cycle: "We need ships with a lifetime of not 30, but 50 years, capable of passing five or six upgrades." According to him, now it is necessary to find such mechanisms of motivation so that the shipbuilders would be profitable to produce fewer products, but with better quality.

According to Kommersant’s information, this meeting was the first of a series of events: soon similar meetings will be held on military aviation and aerospace defense forces.
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  1. ShturmKGB
    ShturmKGB 6 September 2013 11: 27
    +5
    Still kickbacks to remove, in general, permanently ... in all areas ...
    1. alone
      alone 6 September 2013 11: 37
      0
      ShturmKGB
      Still kickbacks to remove, in general, permanently ... in all areas ...


      what are you, what are you? how can you do without it! you can’t forget personal gain, because it can afford it)) wassat
  2. experienced
    experienced 6 September 2013 11: 27
    +1
    I agree about a systematic approach, but he also said a lot of wrong and incomprehensible things.
    The Deputy Minister recalled that the total amount of appropriations for the implementation of the state armaments program for 2011-2020 in the part of the Navy, it amounts to 5 trillion rubles, of which 4% is provided for the construction of new ships.

    As an example, Borisov cited the low interest of the Ministry of Industry and Trade in the development of industrial technologies for creating power laser weapons for the Navy. This led, in his opinion, the impossibility of opening the ROC to create ship systems of laser weapons of destructive type.

    More details here: http://vz.ru/news/2013/9/5/648803.html


    What kind of lasers when the last ships in all fleets are going to Syria?
  3. NOBODY EXCEPT US
    NOBODY EXCEPT US 6 September 2013 11: 30
    +4
    It was smooth on paper, but forgot about the ravines, old folk wisdom .....
  4. Russ69
    Russ69 6 September 2013 11: 40
    +1
    The deputy minister recalled that the total amount of allocations for the implementation of the state armament program for 2011-2020 in the part of the Navy is 5 trillion rubles, of which 4% is provided for the construction of new ships.

    Typo; not 4%, but 47%, for the construction of new ones.
  5. Vtel
    Vtel 6 September 2013 12: 05
    0
    If it doesn’t go beyond conversations, dry the oars.
  6. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 6 September 2013 12: 05
    +1
    Sorry for the off top. On September 11, Congress will vote on Syria.
  7. Yuri11076
    Yuri11076 6 September 2013 12: 23
    +1
    Quote: Kibalchish
    Sorry for the off top. On September 11, Congress will vote on Syria.

    Cover Congress on the 11th with something heavy chtoli? Fools who hate Russia there will be a lot ...
  8. Grbear
    Grbear 6 September 2013 12: 39
    +3
    Judging by the latest gestures of Rogozin and, now, Borisov, an understanding has come State (read power) regulation in strategic areas. Father Market, which was supposed to "give out earrings to all the sisters," did not give anything to anyone. It should be plan, resources and responsible... Otherwise - a "patchwork quilt", and then - to shreds.
    Further there should be natural monopolies.
    The same should happen in the field of creating and promoting new technologies. It looks like Skolkovo will soon "smoke".
  9. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 6 September 2013 12: 45
    +6
    Guys, great news !!!
    Moscow. 6 September. INTERFAX.RU - Project 1164 missile cruiser (formerly "Ukraine"), which is located at the shipyard of the 61st Kommunar shipyard in Nikolaev, will be completed by the end of the year and offered to Russia for 1 billion rubles, a representative of the Military -industrial commission (MIC) under the government of the Russian Federation.

    "We agreed that by the end of the year the Ukrainian cruiser will be completed in the interests of our Navy. We offered one billion rubles for it. This is a very good price for the unfinished ship, and if we correct it, it will only be downward," the agency's source said ...

    It was previously reported that in 1995 the price of the cruiser was $ 720 million.
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 6 September 2013 13: 05
      0
      Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
      Moscow. 6 September. INTERFAX.RU - Project 1164 missile cruiser (formerly "Ukraine"), which is located at the shipyard of the 61st Kommunar shipyard in Nikolaev, will be completed by the end of the year and offered to Russia for 1 billion rubles, a representative of the Military -industrial commission (MIC) under the government of the Russian Federation.

      In how! The prize in the studio .... unexpected good news.
      On another site, the price is $ 1 billion. But most likely a typo, he does not cost that much money.
      http://www.dni.ru/society/2013/9/6/259522.html
    2. Zheka Varangian
      Zheka Varangian 6 September 2013 13: 17
      +1
      Quote: smiths xnumx
      Guys, great news !!!
      Moscow. 6 September. INTERFAX.RU - Project 1164 missile cruiser (formerly "Ukraine"), which is located at the shipyard of the 61st Kommunar shipyard in Nikolaev, will be completed by the end of the year and offered to Russia for 1 billion rubles
      The truth is excellent !! The 1st rank ship will not be out of place, I wonder where it will go? I think at the Pacific Fleet there the situation is worse than everyone.
    3. PSih2097
      PSih2097 6 September 2013 13: 41
      +1
      Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
      osqua. 6 September. INTERFAX.RU - Project 1164 missile cruiser (formerly "Ukraine"), which is located at the shipyard of the 61st Kommunar shipyard in Nikolaev, will be completed by the end of the year

      until the end of which year? 13 or 14, if 13, then this is unrealistic ...
      1. smiths xnumx
        smiths xnumx 6 September 2013 15: 06
        0
        Guys, did not have time to rejoice ... It seems to be a false alarm.
        MOSCOW, Sep 6 - RIA News. By the end of the year, Russia should give an answer to the proposals of Ukraine on the completion of the Project 1164 missile cruiser, so far there are no agreements on this ship, a senior Russian Defense Ministry official told RIA Novosti on Friday.

        So he commented on the reports of some media that Russia allegedly can buy from Ukraine a missile cruiser of Project 1164 (formerly "Ukraine") for a billion rubles (at the same time, the amount was originally called a billion dollars).

        "At the last meeting of the subcommittee on security of the Russian-Ukrainian interstate commission, Ukraine confirmed its readiness to complete and sell the ship for the Russian Ministry of Defense. In response to this proposal, the Russian side promised to work out the issue in the IV quarter of 2013 and inform about a specific decision," the agency's source said.

        He emphasized that the parties did not discuss any price parameters.


        РИА Новости http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20130906/961254935.html#ixzz2e6rH3SzY

        So, call that! And he was delighted, but it seems early ... Regards! hi
        1. Zheka Varangian
          Zheka Varangian 6 September 2013 15: 12
          +4
          Damn ... drank with joy drinks and now I’m going to drink with grief drinks
          1. Russ69
            Russ69 6 September 2013 17: 06
            +1
            Quote: Zheka Varangian
            Damn ... I drank with joy and now I’ll go drink with grief

            Present an account of the Ministry of Defense for moral compensation ...
            Although he himself is in the same position ... drinks
  10. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 6 September 2013 15: 52
    0
    Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
    Guys, great news !!!
    Moscow. 6 September. INTERFAX.RU - Project 1164 missile cruiser (formerly "Ukraine"), which is located at the shipyard of the 61st Kommunar shipyard in Nikolaev, will be completed by the end of the year and offered to Russia for 1 billion rubles, said "

    Very well. Let not the most modern but powerful and necessary ship. Moreover, it will most likely be equipped with more modern weapons, at least with electronic stuffing. I wonder what kind of missile weapons, Volcano or Caliber or Onyx. The air defense is also a mystery.
  11. coserg 2012
    coserg 2012 6 September 2013 17: 02
    0
    Well, don’t drive away old foreign cars, but you can do the old ship. Yes, it’s probably covered the scab, they’ll cover it, spread it and take it away. Now I’m sorry for the commander who will be ordered to accept this miracle.
  12. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 7 September 2013 21: 48
    0
    Well, it became clear that just giving everyone a lot of money does not solve the problem. They willingly took the money, "mastered", the result is scanty. It is clear that if you just give money again, they will again be happy to "master" with the same result. Apparently they are trying to solve this problem now. Now it has become vitally important to equip the fleet with modern, fast and cheap, or at least simply fast.