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Why Ukraine chooses Eurosod, not Holy Russia

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A Ukrainian voter, like an old maid, either needs to be given to the first comer, or stays at home and whines about the lack of good offers. Indeed, our political little women clearly do not shine with virtues. We have no choice. A slightly elated mood in a Ukrainian voter happens on their wedding night, that is, after an election, when counting votes and determining the winner. The next morning, when the job is done, the Ukrainians are beginning to understand that they were once again famously raped. True, Ukrainians do not want to admit this, national pride does not allow.


In Ukraine, there are no such politicians or political forces that were not involved in the matter of bringing the country to its present state - the Ruins. All participated. Some more, some less. Someone was directly sawing the country, and someone, sorry for the expression, was standing on the nix. A relatively clear conscience in Ukraine can be proud of the elects, who for certain reasons could not fulfill their constitutional and marital duty in full. That is, they went to the Rada, but they were not allowed to go to the marriage box, ugh, to the real government of the state. This is lucky. They seem to have been in power, but they don’t seem to share responsibility.

Even to a Ukrainian Independence Square, blind to both eyes, it is clear that Ukraine is not just going there, but in full steam flies into the abyss. For such patriots, there is only one hope left - for abroad, which will pick up the falling body of Ukraine and carry it to a bright tomorrow. They say that this Ukraine is so valuable that only in the European Union it was not enough. And umishka among nezalezhnik not enough to figure out what the EU would have the desire to carry Ukraine on their hands, would have worn long ago, blew dust particles, and the local corrupt elite would have long been urged to behave more decently. Just do not blow, do not wear, and the corrupt elite is very necessary for the West, because it can be forced to do whatever they order.

However, discussing the fantasies of European integrators has already gone. Let's talk about our goals. Where are we going? It is in this way that I pose the question: where, since it has already become obvious that Ukraine cannot be absolutely independent and fully independent. Therefore, if not to dissemble, then our goal is not communism, not capitalism, but Russia. And what is this Russia? How do Ukrainians perceive it in the third decade of anti-Russian propaganda? See how fun it goes. One sentence, and it immediately becomes clear what obstacles stand in the way of everyone who wants to see Ukraine in the Eurasian Union.

For greater clarity, I will give this example. There are two tourist destinations and two authorized agencies. One, not sparing the strength and means, on each pillar advertises its direction, distributes glossy booklets, places glamorous videos on TV and organizes demonstration tours for the elect. Another agency doesn’t bother much and the third decade has only advertised itself, since there is some demand for tours from the old memory. As a result, the first agency created an image of earthly paradise for its direction, and the second, itself stands on the verge of bankruptcy and the direction will soon have to be closed. Are you still surprised that the number of people willing to support Ukraine’s accession to the Eurasian Union decreases from year to year? I am not. The average consumer will always choose a vacation in a five-star hotel on the Cote d'Azur, and not an extreme tour to Siberian camps with accommodation in Gulag barracks. Oh yeah, in the presence of there is still a shopping tour for cheap gas, but this is already an amateur. (I wrote about this issue in the material “Captive of the myth of the Soviet occupation ...”)

How can you campaign for Ukraine’s accession to the Customs Union and the Common Economic Space, count on success without first destroying anti-Russian myths? Who should do this? Moscow? Kremlin? Vladimir Putin? Or maybe the pro-Russian parties of Ukraine themselves will strain their convolutions and spend at least a penny on these goals? After all, it is in their interests to form a positive image of Russia, thereby justifying the reasons why they advocate integration with Russia.

Without telling about what modern Russia is, we have no chance to increase the number of supporters of the Eurasian Union. However, for some unknown reason, it is not customary to talk about Russian successes. They are not? By no means. Russia is developing successfully. And the matter is not at all in oil and gas, with which russophobes primitively explain all the achievements of modern Russia. First, and most importantly, the Russian Federation is a sovereign state, which has its own independent opinion on the processes taking place in the world. Moscow can pursue a policy that meets its national interests. Secondly, Russia is engaged in the modernization of its economy, allocates huge funds for the development of science, education, health, culture and sports. Specific results are already visible in the form of a stable, year after year, growing economy. Russia has something to be proud of, there is something to tell about Russia. This does not mean that there are no problems in Russia, but they are voiced, and the Russians are solving them. At the same time, there no one expects a good uncle from abroad, does not count on a magical market and democracy, but works independently, relying on his own strength. One could doubt that Russia would emerge from the 80-90 crisis of the twentieth century ten years ago, but today the loyalty of the chosen development strategy is already obvious to everyone. Of course, with the exception of those who, in principle, it is not beneficial to notice it - Ukrainian Russophobes. They do not see the good that is happening in Russia, they do not notice what the modern West is.

Here I will make a small remark, in fact, we have no pro-Russian forces, we have, at best, pro-Soviet forces, which for twenty-two years have been indulging in baseless nostalgia for the lost Soviet paradise. They constantly talk about how powerful the Soviet Union was, what remarkable rockets and airplanes we produced, how strong our common scientific and technical potential was. In all these nostalgic conversations about the USSR, there is one catch. Ukrainians are beginning to perceive the Eurasian Union as an attempt by the Kremlin to reanimate the so-called "Soviet empire", with all the ensuing consequences for Ukraine and the corresponding fears of little Ukrainians. Dear comrades, the USSR is dead. It is impossible to return it, and the future, if it is with Russia, we have to build on completely different principles. Russia itself is not eager to charge the whole heap of financial and economic problems of future members of the Eurasian Union and to interfere in their internal politics. We are talking exclusively about the Common Economic Space and the Customs Union, which will allow us to form a self-sufficient market and jointly develop it, while protecting it from the encroachments of competing political and economic associations. In the near future, the Eurasian Union will have its own currency, the military bloc will receive further development, but it will be a mutually beneficial cooperation of the participating countries, predetermined by the new realities of the world order.

Alas, it is almost impossible to hear anything good about Russia in Ukraine. If there are supporters of the Eurasian Union among ordinary Ukrainians, then despite the pressure of Russophobic propaganda. Purposeful and meaningful work to popularize the Eurasian Union and Russia, as its core, is not conducted. There is even no understanding of the attitudes that prevail among the Ukrainian inhabitants. At best, the work of our "pro-Russian forces" boils down to a story about the short-term benefits for Ukraine from lowering gas prices in the amount of several billion a year. Gentlemen, if our opponents managed to form an image of Russia, as an unstable state that does not have its own development strategy, then it will be difficult for us to get popular support for the idea of ​​Ukraine joining the Eurasian Union.

We hope that we will have an influential pro-Russian politician who, by some miracle, will come to power, and Ukraine will finally put an end to the disastrous course for the country and the people in Europe. Perhaps, once this happens, a pro-Russian president will appear. But let me say that our Western opponents do not have this problem. Whoever comes to power in Ukraine, exactly like in any other state (with rare exceptions), he will be forced to reckon with pro-Western attitudes in society. Moreover, at any moment the West can overthrow the disagreeable leadership of the country, first by financial and economic levers initiating a crisis, and then organizing mass protests, which will eventually lead to the overthrow of the legitimately elected government. Through Western-controlled media, it is easy to raise the degree of mass discontent, and then bring to the streets young dummies, students brought up in blind worship of the so-called "democratic values". As a result, the government, pursuing an independent policy, resigns, and the new government cancels all previously concluded mutually beneficial contracts with Russia, continuing to turn their countries into neocolonial appendages of Western countries and its transnational corporations.

Ukraine is a colony of the West, not so much, not only because pro-Western politicians are in power, but primarily because the West, through the media, controls the mass consciousness of citizens. We have no choice in elections, and our authorities have no real power. Liberation from neocolonialism begins with the liberation of our consciousness from the dogmas imposed on us, which is possible if the Western monopoly on giving information is broken. At first glance, this is an extremely difficult task, but the existing modern technologies allow to solve it. The “Iron Curtain” is impossible today, especially since the truth is on our side. Supporters of the Eurasian Union need to think first of all not about the pro-Russian president, but about a society in which Russophile sentiments will dominate.

In conclusion, I want to say that we should stop playing according to the rules imposed on us, recognize some kind of world leadership for the West: economic, but above all, civilizational. The so-called "European civilization" is not only experiencing its economic decline, but has lost all moral authority from all honest people in the world. The USA and their European puppets are aggressors and robbers. It is, in fact, a godless anti-civilization, spreading Satanism to the whole world. Only Russia, Holy Russia stands in the way of the West, and for this very reason we see so fierce attacks on it today. It is precisely because of this that the western sodomites slander so much from the words of Russian President Vladimir Putin, who is telling the truth about everything that is happening in the world. And for the same reason, the atheists are perverted arrange attacks on the canonical Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate and its spiritual leader, His Holiness Patriarch Kirill. We should not be ashamed that we are Russian, and our choice is Russia. Well, those who recognize chastity and bestiality as a norm, pedophiles and dissenters, atheists of all stripes, as well as incompetent lazy and greedy for money, betrayed their homeland and the precepts of their ancestors, can go to Europe. There they belong.
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  1. Denis
    Denis 6 September 2013 08: 49
    +9
    In Ukraine, there are no politicians or political forces who were not involved in the matter of bringing the country to its current state.
    So they choose, it will be more correct
    People, except for those who were frantically frostbitten, did not think so, had to communicate. Only here is the opinion of the people often does not coincide with the contents of newspaper editorials and blah blah blah politicians
    Politicians are ready to sell their mother, but for a good price and in parts. They don’t give a damn about the people, they have already bought a betrayal for themselves in the euro-house. So politicians won, of course, only financially, morality and politics do not go well together
    1. experienced
      experienced 6 September 2013 09: 19
      31
      The article leaves an ambiguous impression: All around ... we and only we are Holy Russia on the path of Satanism, and Ukrainians do not understand who at all ... I am always embarrassed when they write in this way, imagine yourself in the place of a Ukrainian who has read this creation: he is stupid ( chooses the wrong ones), they constantly have him and now they want to "abuse" him finally if Russia does not help. Do you think he will inflame with love for Russia?
      Not long ago, everyone here "shouted Hurray !!! and threw their caps (comments) into the air ...", how does Armenia join the Customs Union !!! Armenians are ours, and Ukrainians are traitors, think again ... As they say, less than a year has passed and we read
      At the upcoming European Union Eastern Partnership Summit in November in Vilnius (Lithuania) Armenia intends to sign political section of association agreement with EU without economic component, Vigen Sargsyan, the head of the apparatus of the President of the Republic, said on Wednesday in an interview with the Armenian service of Radio Liberty.


      «The decision on Armenia’s accession to the Customs Union does not mean the termination or suspension of our political dialogue with the EU ”- said Sargsyan, whose words are quoted by ITAR-TASS.

      “The President of Armenia repeatedly stated and confirmed yesterday during a press conference with his Russian counterpart that transformations carried out with EU assistance are extremely important for the republic", - recalled the head of the apparatus. "These are reforms aimed at social, political modernization and strengthening of public administration", - explained the head of administration.

      «We are very grateful to our European partners for the path that we traveled together, and we intend to continue this path, ”Sargsyan emphasized. - Consequently, initiation of an association agreement with the EU within the framework of the Vilnius Eastern Partnership Summit remains on our political agenda.».


      Taken here: http://vz.ru/news/2013/9/5/648729.html

      I think Ukraine is behaving more honestly, maybe it is our Russian actions that make them "shy away" from us? Recently, from the side of the Russian leadership there is only a "stick", and "carrots" are generously poured out by our leaders to others ... IMHO hi
      A striking indicator is the comments of members of the forum on Ukrainian topics, there are no discussions and Ukrainians who stupidly minus against joining the CU ... If not long ago someone tried to defend their opinion, now they just stopped appearing on the discussion thread. I am a supporter of the fact that it is necessary to integrate more closely with Ukraine, but this must be done on mutually beneficial terms, and not "relax and have fun (benefits)" hi
      1. self-propelled
        self-propelled 6 September 2013 10: 01
        +3
        Alex, good
        one of the few sensible (in my opinion) comments about Ukraine.
        Quote: seasoned
        I think Ukraine is behaving more honestly, maybe it is our Russian actions that make them "shy away" from us?

        and further
        Quote: seasoned
        I am a supporter of the idea that it is necessary to integrate more closely with Ukraine, but this should be done on mutually beneficial terms, and not "relax and have fun (benefits)"

        nothing to add. You +
      2. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 6 September 2013 10: 17
        +3
        Experienced ... you are big + !!!
      3. seller trucks
        seller trucks 6 September 2013 10: 17
        18
        Quote: seasoned
        It always bothers me when they write in this way, imagine yourself in the place of a Ukrainian,


        Lunev himself lives in Ukraine, so his opinion can hardly be called biased, rather, on the contrary, a slight envy is felt. secondly, an important topic has been touched upon today, and why, Russia should help financially about Russian parties, but in fact the money is simply stolen, well, sometimes, rallies in Simferopol and Sevastopol are held, grandparents come out, wave with Soviet and Russian symbols and fled, but this is not work. My mother lives in Ukraine, she was born in Donetsk, a Ukrainian, she doesn’t know mov from the very beginning, well, they probably didn’t speak her, except for the remote backwoods, she was always tuned about Russian, probably before 2004, she was brainwashed tightly, now, WE Europe, Yokarny Babai, before the scandal, and now I understand, we lost the Crimea, the resistance is broken. Well, there are individuals, but this is rather the exception. So that’s why I, the fate of Ukraine, is not indifferent to me, it’s my Little Motherland, but I understand that so far the people themselves (Ukrainians, not Americans, more and more thinking people, but for now) with their brains will not reach the understanding that has developed around, nothing towards the best does not happen. They will close the border with Russia, reduce the flow of Gaster, and what kind of families will they feed? In Europe, is there enough of their poverty, Romanians, Balts, Poles, and cho? Unemployment enterprises will be closed, tourists from the EU will stop traveling to Crimea, he (Crimea) is needed if you can go to Greece or Spain for the money. Then it will begin to reach them. I am pretty sure that Ukraine is on the verge of a fucking dope. So Lunev, Vajra, Ishchenko, they talk about the same thing. There will be no freebies, a good uncle from Moscow, his worries, above the roof, Far East, Olympics, then the World Cup, etc. too lazy to get. Sorry for the confusion, it’s boiling

        PS. Yesterday I myself wanted to offer an article for placement, I was late.
        1. Far East
          Far East 6 September 2013 13: 08
          +2
          Quote: seller trucks
          So Lunev, Vajra, Ishchenko, they talk about the same thing. There will be no freebies, a good uncle from Moscow, his worries, above the roof, Far East, Olympics, then the World Cup, etc. too lazy to get. Sorry for the confusion, it’s boiling

          good good good hi respect! I join your statement! again I read in comments, sho Ukraine shy away from our actions! already good about us! get a break away! themselves rod in the pool! this is their way, and do not feel sorry for them! they say brothers and so on. how to conduct Nazi processions, it’s there, zapadentsi and we are in the center of Ukraine. HOLY GREAT RUSSIA stood, and will stand, with or without Ukraine! boiling up! hi
        2. regsSSSR
          regsSSSR 6 September 2013 15: 43
          +1
          the hunchback at one time divided the USSR into 15 republics! the Supreme Council of Ukraine with all its actions for 20 years has led to the next collapse of its republic into at least two, and possibly more, parts! progress in Ukrainian on Lidzo (the United States shakes your hand the rulers of Ukraine well done! keep it up! Get the great power on !!!)
          1. Far East
            Far East 6 September 2013 16: 22
            +1
            Quote: regressSSSR
            keep it up! continue to pursue a great power !!!)

            here in this pun, I can’t understand! this is KIEV RUSSIA! OR THAT ..........? HOW CAN IT BE CALLED KIEV RUSSIA! if she does everything, she would be ..... ..... RUSSIA! I have NO words I served there, brothers, sisters live there! like many of you and sho now? She wants to Europe and will I indulge her? I have grown from this age! I have my own values! I am PATRIOT OF OUR COUNTRY! stray, must be returned to the LONO! hi
            1. regsSSSR
              regsSSSR 7 September 2013 04: 48
              -1
              [quote] [quote = Far East]
              I am PATRIOT OF OUR COUNTRY! stray, must be returned to the LONO! hi[/ Quote]

              in general, if you are inconspicuous, I seem to be a patriot too, and it seems that I’m just fighting for it hi you probably didn’t catch a note of emotional despair with the impossibility of at least doing something to somehow influence the situation for all this ridiculous process of degradation taking place in Ukraine!
              Of course, I had in mind the USSR or the Russian Empire, as you like more! to call a great country the current non-country Ukraine with its antics simply does not turn the tongue! those lands that Russia has been collecting for centuries as a whole are now sold by the current owners of Ukraine to our eternal ideological enemies, Europe, this is a betrayal of our fatherland by our common great-grandfathers who fought for these lands and it’s a shame that Kievan Rus is still the cradle of Russian civilization and everything one generation grown up on Amer’s culture is ready to forget the centuries-old history of our common Motherland and will be sold for the promised beautiful candy wrapper eu with long-gone stuffing! This is an ideological war! war of cultures! war of faith! aimed at crushing and destroying Russian civilization in pieces!
              1. Far East
                Far East 7 September 2013 06: 42
                -2
                Quote: regressSSSR
                Of Ukraine to our eternal ideological enemies, Europe, this is a betrayal of our fatherland by our common great-grandfathers who fought for these lands and it’s a shame that Kievan Rus is still the cradle of Russian civilization and just one generation cultivated on Amer’s culture is ready to forget the centuries-old history of our common homeland and will be sold for the promised beautiful candy wrapper eu with a long-gone stuffing! is an ideological war! war of cultures! war of faith! aimed at crushing and destroying Russian civilization in pieces!

                and it’s a shame for me in triple where our grandfathers, fathers! PROTECTED! and here it is! yes on pl .... be me on them! if necessary, I will take this fucking (automatic) thing in my hands and go to raise my brother (Ukraine), they don’t do that! I forgave women a lot! but Ukraine is not a woman! hi
      4. Rink
        Rink 6 September 2013 10: 57
        15
        The article leaves a double impression: Everything is around ... we are the only Holy Russia on the path of Satanism, and Ukrainians do not understand who at all ... I am always embarrassed when they write in this way, imagine yourself in the place of a Ukrainian who has read this creation ...

        I have been living in Ukraine since the collapse, and I confirm: in the article everything is as it is.
        The sale of Ukrainian politicians to any of Ukraine, even the most ardent Bendera, has long been no secret. They (high-level politicians and civil servants) are appointed to posts only with the approval of the US ambassador. If he is a little dissatisfied with them - they will very easily say goodbye to their posts. And given that all their stolen capital lies on foreign accounts, it can be said that the State Department holds them by the eggs, and they sing with such voices as the State Department needs, and they jump as much as those who were given freedom.

        Ukraine has long been tightly controlled.
        For 20 years, the media and the school have brought up a new generation with an anti-Russian attitude introduced into consciousness. So if Ukraine does not begin to be cleaned in the near future, it will be the same as with Poland: after Catholicization and falling under the control of the Vatican, this Slavic state, by blood, has taken a hostile position towards Holy Orthodox Russia for hundreds of years.
        So there are examples.

        It seems to me that Ukraine is behaving more honestly ...

        Alas, the most accurate word here is "seems".
        It is enough to find out how the Ukrainian politics lives and does what the media do not talk about, but what exactly constitutes their life and work, how all the illusions will disappear like morning dew. At least in foreign policy, at least in domestic, at least at the domestic level, Ukrainian politicians are something.
        By the way, corruption in Ukraine (as a percentage) is many times higher than Russian.
        Horror of what's going on!
      5. Klin klinovv
        Klin klinovv 6 September 2013 11: 35
        +2
        You are a seasoned passer-by from those tyrants who drag Our lands into the den of the enemy.
        1. experienced
          experienced 6 September 2013 11: 59
          +3
          Quote: Klin Klinovv
          You are a seasoned passer-by from those tyrants who drag Our lands into the den of the enemy.

          Bugaga, and to whom and where am I helping "Our Lands" pull and into what den? Can you adequately express your thoughts? I stand for the normal position of the authorities of our countries on integration and nothing more. I can explain it clearly with an example: you go and see a beautiful woman without a wedding ring and want to start a relationship. Will you come up and say: "Let's go to bed, or else you'll fuck up", or compliments, flowers, restaurant, bed?
          Here a person is arranged so that if he is dragged by force even to a happy future, he will resist, expecting a trick, but if gradually and by persuasion and light "feeding", then he will run ... hi

          There, below, another "thinker" under the nickname Navodl was marked
          When it comes to your beloved Armenia, you are unbiased and objective.

          Vladimir, re-read my comment, otherwise I really believe in the justice of jokes about Moldova laughing
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 6 September 2013 12: 12
            +3
            Quote: seasoned
            Vladimir, re-read my comment, otherwise I really believe in the justice of jokes about Moldova

            Alexei, I do not pretend to be a thinker in quotation marks or without them.
            What do you think of Moldovans - yours is a purely personal matter that does not concern me.
            The topic affects precisely Ukraine. What I reminded you of in order to return to the mainstream.
            So let's talk about this topic. There I have only a couple of lines. Overpowered?
          2. xan
            xan 6 September 2013 12: 30
            +4
            Quote: seasoned
            I can explain it clearly with an example: you go and see a beautiful woman without a wedding ring and want to start a relationship. Will you come up and say, "Let's go to bed, or else you'll fuck up," or compliments, flowers, a restaurant, bed?

            Your example is not accurate
            You sponsored this girl to the utmost, and she twirled her tail and said how terrible and not modern you are. When you began to disconnect her from subsidies, she voted and hysteria.
            Then someone determined that you are a passive intruder. I completely agree with this.
            I add that you cannot tie women - the memory is short and inclinations are not modern.
            1. experienced
              experienced 6 September 2013 12: 40
              +2
              Quote: xan
              You are an example not exact

              belay
              Quote: xan
              You sponsored this girl to the utmost, and she twirled her tail and said how terrible and not modern you are. When you began to disconnect her from subsidies, she voted and hysteria.

              It’s not enough to sponsor a girl; you won’t be cute with presents alone. However, each has its own methods, yours are more suitable for communicating with prostitutes, paid and do what you want wink
              Quote: xan
              Then someone determined that you are a passive intruder. I completely agree with this.

              Bugaga, "and they also called you an earthworm ..." (c) wassat Well, did some character write 24 comments in a year and why? Should I bang my head against the wall? Everyone is burned out to the extent of their depravity ... There is something to say on the topic, so speak, but you don't need to "fart into a puddle" laughing
              Quote: xan
              I add that you cannot tie women - the memory is short and inclinations are not modern.

              Here I agree completely, with women "I do not tie", it is still early and I have enough strength ... Maybe in years ... in twenty years I will have to "tie" crying
              The inclinations agree conservative, I am not a supporter of "modern European liberties".
              1. xan
                xan 6 September 2013 13: 58
                -4
                Quote: seasoned
                It’s not enough to sponsor a girl; you won’t be cute with presents alone. However, each has its own methods, yours are more suitable for communicating with prostitutes, paid and do what you want wink

                it’s not my fault that Ukraine looks like this woman
                Quote: seasoned
                There is something to say on the topic, say so, but you don't need to "fart into a puddle"

                they told you about the topic - you gave an idiotic example
                Quote: seasoned
                Here I agree completely, with women "I do not tie", it is still early and I have enough strength ... Maybe in years ... in twenty years I will have to "tie"

                Don’t flatter yourself, storyteller. From your posts rushing slurring and protracted candy-flower periods. Women don't like it.
                Quote: seasoned
                The inclinations agree conservative, I am not a supporter of "modern European liberties".

                Where did I write about European liberties? Freudian slip?
                1. experienced
                  experienced 6 September 2013 14: 26
                  +2
                  Quote: xan
                  it’s not my fault that Ukraine looks like this woman

                  Ukraine is capitalized hi Caucasians, our Russian girls also seem to be dissolute, there is also the question of educating a person who undertakes to put "cliches" according to his stereotypes, and not the norms of hostel winked
                  Quote: xan
                  they told you about the topic - you gave an idiotic example

                  We drank together or grazed goats, I don’t remember something ... winked
                  Quote: xan
                  Women don't like it.

                  Bugaga, a subtle connoisseur of female souls ... wassat
                  Okay boring with this hapohm (or xanohm?) find out the relationship. laughing
              2. karbofos
                karbofos 6 September 2013 16: 31
                +2
                Bias agree conservative, I'm not a supporter of "modern European liberties"


                and you won’t get sick at europe. You’ll have to master liberties, otherwise they will declare Ukraine non-tolerant and denyushki too. will have to hold pedoparady instead of a victory parade
          3. KCC
            KCC 6 September 2013 14: 54
            +5
            Russia has been courting Ukraine for 15 years, which includes preferential prices for oil and gas and other conferences. The question is what result do you propose and continue to do this at a loss, despite the policy of the Ukrainian leadership all this time. After the feeder is closed, we hear from Ukraine and the West some reproaches, although I understand them even though we should sponsor the pro-Western policy of Ukraine, since the West probably does not allocate enough money for this. Russia would be profitable and necessary, and joint projects on the Academy of Sciences and the construction of the fleet at the Nikolaev shipyards and much more, but all joint projects come across some kind of nonsense. I am sure that the majority of Russians only for close cooperation with Ukraine, including the leadership, but this policy is not possible, so let the Ukrainians brothers decide what they need, but then let them be angry with themselves.
            1. karbofos
              karbofos 6 September 2013 16: 39
              -1
              KCC has nothing to add. everything is as it is. good
          4. Klin klinovv
            Klin klinovv 6 September 2013 18: 00
            -1
            You go and see a beautiful woman without a wedding ring and you want to have a relationship. Will you come up and say: "Let's go to bed, or else you'll fuck up", or compliments, flowers, restaurant, bed?
            Here a person is arranged so that if he is dragged by force even to a happy future, he will resist, expecting a trick, but if gradually and by persuasion and light "feeding", then he will run ...

            cheap example.
            I do not drink Coca-Coca with crasburgers
      6. Flooding
        Flooding 6 September 2013 11: 52
        +2
        Quote: seasoned
        Our Armenians, and Ukrainians are traitors, change your mind ...

        According to your logic, it should be the other way around. It is understandable. When it comes to your beloved Armenia, you are unbiased and objective.
        As for Ukraine, what can I say. When the brothers try to turn to you loin, then of course it is insulting. Even more offensive from the fact that the official policy of the Russian Federation towards Ukraine cannot be called effective.
        But what do you call honest behavior? The barking of the Ukrainian authorities with frenzied nationalists, reverences of the impoverished country to rich western neighbors, a huge number of tribune promises amid a general economic downturn?
        For me, honesty comes from the word honor.
      7. Val_y
        Val_y 6 September 2013 12: 10
        +2
        And nevertheless, apart from the installation of the monument to Catherine the Great in Odessa, NOTHING, I repeat, NOTHING pro-Russian happened, but we constantly hear pro-Western sodomites and fascists constant screams about Europa and about the West will help us ("here we will enter the Europus, we will live,"). And not only we hear, Bandera's "museums of occupation", fkelny processions, are quite there. And Europa, as acquaintances say, who come to work in this Europa constantly, for the next 5-7 years (minarets in Copenhagen and Oslo, the Arab population is growing exponentially, and all these gender and juvenile passions do not concern them, in Paris to roar like in Cairo, some Arabs, white there, already as tourists laughing ). So for now, the point is, "sha, no one is going anywhere." hi
      8. xan
        xan 6 September 2013 12: 14
        +2
        Quote: seasoned
        I am a supporter of the idea that it is necessary to integrate more closely with Ukraine, but this should be done on mutually beneficial terms, and not "relax and have fun (benefits)"

        Experienced, and you don’t remember the time when you were hanging around, and in Ukraine Russophobia bloomed to its full height, right up to the Orange Revolution? Are you able to draw any conclusions from this?
        1. experienced
          experienced 6 September 2013 12: 23
          +1
          Quote: xan
          and you don’t remember the time when you were hanging out, and in Ukraine Russophobia bloomed to its full height, right up to the Orange Revolution? Are you able to draw any conclusions from this?

          I also remember khaspopisit, but it was then and around the world at about the same price. The fact that the gas was stolen so it was with the connivance of Russia and profiting from this and ours and Ukraine and the "muddy" schemes with Naftogaz jointly organized so that it was possible to "derban" ... The "orange" revolution has passed and what? The people realized that they were "thrown" there would not be this "orange" Yanyk would have ruled, do you think there would have been big differences?
          On the part of Russia, I do not see any actions to promote integration, only a series of "wars" and how, in response, a series of "peremogs" on the part of Ukraine ... Now the situation has become that Ukraine's entry into the CU is already even dangerous for Russia because that for a simple Ukrainian it will not give anything right away, but he was already set up that upon joining the EU, a golden rain will be shed on Ukraine and he will heal richly and justly ...
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 6 September 2013 12: 47
            +4
            Quote: seasoned
            On the part of Russia, I do not see any actions to promote integration, only a series of "wars" and how, in response, a series of "peremogs" on the part of Ukraine ... Now the situation has become that Ukraine's entry into the CU is already even dangerous for Russia because that for a simple Ukrainian it will not give anything right away, but he was already set up that upon joining the EU, a golden rain will be shed on Ukraine and he will heal richly and justly ...

            So you yourself answered everything to everyone.
            Divorce - and a maiden name ...
            Shout after the wife who left her husband, "Come back, I will forgive everything!" - not just a crisis of the genre, but a banal bad manners.
          2. karbofos
            karbofos 6 September 2013 16: 45
            +2
            Russia, once again experienced, is to blame for you. Ukraine already tried to get married with Russia anyway, but the evil M. Muscovites again ruined everything. so do you think?
      9. Fin
        Fin 6 September 2013 12: 22
        +2
        Quote: seasoned
        I am a supporter of the idea that it is necessary to integrate more closely with Ukraine, but this should be done on mutually beneficial terms, and not "relax and have fun (benefits)"

        Integration with Ukraine is possible only with a clear foreign policy. And if your partner, for ideological reasons, is ready to go where they promise more, but in reality it is not clear what will come of it, what kind of integration could be. Will you invest in the repair of a rented apartment if they ask you soon?
        Quote: seasoned
        I think Ukraine is behaving more honestly, maybe it is our Russian actions that make them "shy away" from us? Recently, only the "stick" has been coming from the side of the Russian leadership, while our leaders generously pour out "carrots" to others ...

        More honestly, I tried to sit on two chairs for several years?
        Gingerbread cookies have been for more than 10 years (recall the price of gas), but what's the point? More recently, gingerbread was offered for 10 billion bucks annually. AN-70 developed with our money. What else do you need to do for them?
      10. Vovka levka
        Vovka levka 6 September 2013 16: 27
        +1
        Quote: seasoned
        If not long ago someone tried to defend their opinion, now they just stopped appearing on the discussion thread. I am a supporter of the fact that it is necessary to integrate more closely with Ukraine, but this must be done on mutually beneficial terms, and not "relax and have fun (benefits)" hi

        All is correct. There is no discussion, that is the problem. And no one is going to ask anyone, and then they are surprised that this is happening.
        You just need to understand that the world has changed. An equal union can easily turn out, but there will be no more empire.
        But power is such a drug, especially absolute power, from which it is almost impossible to jump.
        That's why we have, what we have, everything is absolutely logical.
        1. karbofos
          karbofos 6 September 2013 16: 56
          +2
          what an equal union are you talking about. Russia is a geopolitical player, Ukraine does not even pull on a regional one. Tell me Moldova, Bulgaria, Poland, the Baltic states and other former "oppressed" are also equal partners of small Britain, France, Germany? !!! and if so, tell us what is the equality? who listened to these rogues on even one important issue? they only fulfill the will of the Eurobank and nothing more. if you think that Ukraine will bypass this, then I will answer with the words of a classic cat - ball you dunce !!!
          1. Vovka levka
            Vovka levka 6 September 2013 17: 04
            +2
            I’m not going to argue in you. This is your opinion and it is partially correct, but only partially.
            You just ask yourself how political and military systems function in the European Union and NATO and compare our reality. There is a lot of slag, but there are good things that are not ashamed to get.
            1. karbofos
              karbofos 6 September 2013 17: 18
              0
              do you think we have only slag and can’t get anything good? did I understand you correctly? how do the systems work? look
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1TTfmJ07Yg

              http://www.sdelanounih.ru/o-zhizni-vo-francii/

              http://www.sdelanounih.ru/evrointegraciya-na-primere-rumynii-i-bolgarii/

              look and tell me what price you are willing to pay for these euro values ​​that are not ashamed to get. it’s like a drug addict understands that it kills the body and mind but the desire to get high outshines the mind !!!
              1. karbofos
                karbofos 6 September 2013 17: 51
                +2
                and how the political system works, we all see the example of Syria. bomb rather bomb. There is still no evidence and the perpetrators have already been appointed. and neither Poland nor Latvia nor Lithuania and other "Europeans" are heard. only 3 (THREE !!!) countries actually decide in Europe. what guess yourself. the rest of the extras without the right to vote !!! or dispute? do you want to go there?
          2. karbofos
            karbofos 6 September 2013 17: 04
            0
            and about the empire - what are you not comfortable with the Slavic empire for? Or the empire can only be the United States adored by you?
            1. Vovka levka
              Vovka levka 6 September 2013 17: 42
              +2
              Quote: kalbofos
              and about the empire - what are you not comfortable with the Slavic empire for? Or the empire can only be the United States adored by you?

              No need to invent, no one loves the United States, no need to hang labels, no need.
              As for empires, any empire does not suit me, and its name does not matter. The world has changed, this must be understood.
              What about slag? Each political system has positive and negative points. The skill is not to take the bad, although the temptation is always great. Any politician always lacks power, and anyone is in trouble when there is no opposition to this. That is, there is no balance of power. Here at the moment, the main problem, the tumor, in the countries of the former USSR.
              As for the discussion, this will probably be the end. It's not because I have no desire. And because my rating is negative, I am not allowed to comment a little more on this "Democratic" site. This is such a democracy, that is, "Approved". These are the things I don't like.
              1. karbofos
                karbofos 6 September 2013 18: 03
                0
                Vovka Levka whether you like it or not, but empires rule the world. Well, look objectively! empire bank. oil empires. empires of corporations, including the military, and what is happening in Ukraine now is a real struggle of empires. and it depends on you now which empire Ukraine will choose. an Orthodox empire that is close mentally and vitally or breaks itself under p. idorasov but with Coca-Cola
                1. Vovka levka
                  Vovka levka 6 September 2013 18: 11
                  +2
                  The world is ruled by interest (benefit). But it happens different - political, economic, religious and so on.
                  1. karbofos
                    karbofos 7 September 2013 01: 36
                    0
                    so what is the benefit in europe?
                    1. Vovka levka
                      Vovka levka 7 September 2013 20: 41
                      0
                      Quote: kalbofos
                      so what is the benefit in europe?

                      Ask Europe.
              2. Vanya2013F
                Vanya2013F 8 September 2013 00: 27
                0
                as in that saying: you are my friend or ...., or pretend! As I understand it, you still believe in the good, the bright, the best, the brainwashing and not only yours and your fellow citizens have probably affected. Well, let's look at your kind, bright, and the best. Guest workers will go to Europe, janitors, movers, laborers, in general second-class people. And they don’t need you anymore!
                1. Vovka levka
                  Vovka levka 8 September 2013 12: 56
                  0
                  Quote: Vanya2013F
                  as in that saying: you are my friend or ...., or pretend! As I understand it, you still believe in the good, the bright, the best, the brainwashing and not only yours and your fellow citizens have probably affected. Well, let's look at your kind, bright, and the best. Guest workers will go to Europe, janitors, movers, laborers, in general second-class people. And they don’t need you anymore!

                  I do not believe, but simply know that no one will just do anything to you and free cheese in a mousetrap.
      11. Oleg Kharkov
        Oleg Kharkov 6 September 2013 20: 58
        +2
        The articles were enough for exactly two paragraphs. But comments were pleasantly pleased: there are sane people on your part too. Mutually beneficial conditions are called precisely because they are beneficial to both parties. And when it is beneficial only to one, and the second is forced to something (compulsion to friendship is generally the height of cynicism), it is probably called in a different way.
        1. xan
          xan 6 September 2013 21: 30
          0
          Quote: Oleg Kharkov
          And when it is beneficial only to one, and the second is forced to something (compulsion to friendship is generally the height of cynicism), it is probably called in a different way.

          you call it "compulsion to friendship", we - "withdrawal from contentment"
          I remind you that not the Kremlin wants something from yours, but yours constantly beg for something
  2. maxon106
    maxon106 6 September 2013 08: 52
    +2
    huge plus
  3. Natalia
    Natalia 6 September 2013 08: 53
    +7
    Why does Ukraine choose Eurocode rather than Holy Russia?

    Answer: To hang out beautifully ... or rather, the political elite will hang out. Well, maybe all sorts of Binder's followers will admire the fact that they are now in the club of "civilized" gay countries, but in general most of them are unlikely to like it ... Only naive people can assume that "brave western democratizers" will come now and make Ukraine super -power, forgetting that no one needs a strong Ukraine in Western Europe.
    1. self-propelled
      self-propelled 6 September 2013 10: 10
      +6
      Quote: Natalia
      Why Ukraine chooses Eurosod, not Holy Russia

      amendment - not Ukraine chooses, but a handful of "Ukrainian elite" wassat
      and do not say, they say the people choose the government. Do you still believe that in a country where the vast majority of the economy is in the hands of several oligarchs, the government chooses the people ?!
      1. kush62
        kush62 6 September 2013 13: 31
        0
        Quote: amendment - not Ukraine chooses, but a handful of "Ukrainian elite"

        Literally half a minute ago I wanted to write the same thing.
  4. Denis
    Denis 6 September 2013 08: 53
    +3
    Quote: Denis
    Only here the opinion of the people often does not coincide with the content of newspaper editorials and blah blah blah politicians
    Politicians are ready to sell my mom, but for a good price and in parts. They do not care about the people, they already bought themselves a place in the sodom by betrayal

    Ukrainians themselves choose their own politicians, live on the Maidan ... But in general, already tired of thinking for Ukraine.
    1. self-propelled
      self-propelled 6 September 2013 10: 12
      +4
      Quote: Denis
      In general, tired of thinking for Ukraine already.

      and you do not think. they will figure it out themselves
    2. demeen1
      demeen1 6 September 2013 10: 39
      +5
      you know there is a saying "every nation deserves the government that it has"
      1. washi
        washi 6 September 2013 11: 06
        +1
        Quote: demeen1
        you know there is a saying "every nation deserves the government that it has"

        and which this people has
  5. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 6 September 2013 08: 54
    13
    Why choose? It's not just the elite. Many Ukrainians have illusions that they can live with a European standard of living. The Baltic experience does not teach anything.
  6. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 6 September 2013 09: 00
    11
    from the Don.
    We should not be shy that we are Russian, and our choice is Russia. Well, those who recognize the rule of sodomy and bestiality, pedophiles and schismatics, atheists of all stripes, as well as mediocre idlers and greedy for money, betraying their homeland and the covenants of their ancestors, can go to Europe. There they belong.
    GOLD WORDS!
    1. demeen1
      demeen1 6 September 2013 11: 36
      +2
      No, these are not golden words, golden only that we are Russian, and our choice is Russia, and the rest is the reality of time, and whoever betrayed his homeland should be in prison, and not in Europe
  7. mirag2
    mirag2 6 September 2013 09: 03
    -13 qualifying.
    European political technologists are no more stupid than us. Now, having joined the EU, Ukraine will get some benefits, even if it would be to the detriment of the EU itself, because it would also be to the detriment of Russia. All the economic ties that Ukraine has with Russia can be torn, reoriented to Europe.
    It is not too late to block access to labor from Ukraine. And to import workers from North Korea and Vietnam. They, although they do not violate the law, as long as our population is dying out.
    1. demeen1
      demeen1 6 September 2013 11: 39
      +8
      We must not import workers from North Korea and Vietnam, but work ourselves
      1. mirag2
        mirag2 6 September 2013 15: 10
        0
        it goes without saying!
  8. Sirs
    Sirs 6 September 2013 09: 06
    +7
    Where did you see holy Russia? The saint is nothing like perfect! All are sinful and imperfect. And Ukraine is an independent country. It wants to and does what it wants. We have our own problems.
    1. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 6 September 2013 09: 59
      +9
      And if the Caucasus is cut off from you, will you say that too?
      And then the Far East, Siberia, Kazan, Volga region ...
      Where is the limit?

      Stalin did everything exactly the opposite. He added new old lands, expanded the state, strengthened it with human and industrial resources. And now the traitors surrendered the land, allowed the territories to break away as a result of betrayal and inept, criminal management, and convinced that it was so, that it was now a historical fact.
    2. demeen1
      demeen1 6 September 2013 12: 20
      +5
      No, but we must strive for this, and Russia was and is Holy. If you yourself understand that it’s good to sin, the next step will already be to the church to repent. Problems are problems, but what about relatives, we cannot refuse them and if we refuse, then we will be worse than Judas.
  9. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 6 September 2013 09: 12
    +2
    Maybe it's time for Russia all the same to adopt all the best from the West, leaving behind all the worst? I don't understand why the signing of the UN convention on combating corruption is allowed to contradict our culture and spirituality? according to European or American, the authorities have settled well here, they have made a mess here and sing songs about "a special way and spirituality" deep insanity in power to sit, although insanity is already slipping here and there.
    1. Algor73
      Algor73 6 September 2013 10: 12
      +3
      Quote: Standard Oil
      I don’t understand what contradicts our culture and spirituality, let’s say the signing of the UN Convention against Corruption is permissible.

      And so it contradicts that where then the money for our "poor" to take? Earn an honest way? Plow? No. This state of affairs does not make the common people obsolete. But it suits those in power.
      1. NOBODY EXCEPT US
        NOBODY EXCEPT US 6 September 2013 11: 14
        +3
        Plowing ordinary people means not happy? And then what suits the common people? Lie on the stove like Ivan- and wait until the pike does everything for him?
      2. I am a Russian
        I am a Russian 6 September 2013 11: 32
        -10 qualifying.
        Quote: Algor73
        Making money honestly? Plow? No. This state of affairs does not obsolete the common people.


        I earn in an honest way. It also happens that 11-12 hours a day have to be plowed.

        A Ukrainian writes on the forum - "We are brothers, Slavs!"

        Then why is the Ukrainian brother stealing gas from me?

        Why did a Ukrainian brother kill young boys in Chechnya?

        Why does the Ukrainian brother not want to work honestly and is this the norm for him?

        Why such a parasite, with such views of Russia?
        1. Ivan_Ivanov
          Ivan_Ivanov 6 September 2013 11: 44
          +8
          A Ukrainian writes on the forum - "We are brothers, Slavs!"

          Then why is the Ukrainian brother stealing gas from me?

          Why did a Ukrainian brother kill young boys in Chechnya?

          Why does the Ukrainian brother not want to work honestly and is this the norm for him?

          Why such a parasite, with such views of Russia?


          Why are you being fooled and believe in the anti-Russian, anti-Russian propaganda?
          1. Gas steals a thief. A thief does not have a nationality (it can be of any nationality; for a thief, this is not the main thing).
          2. In Chechnya, mercenary-terrorist-bandits fought against the Russians. Bandits have no nationality. Personally, I know more than one Ukrainian citizen who fought in Chechnya on the side of the Russian army.
          3. What is this nonsense?

          Divide and conquer - this is a division of the enemies of Russia, the enemies of Russian. Who do you work for, accepting and sharing this division?
          1. I am a Russian
            I am a Russian 6 September 2013 12: 05
            -8
            Your venality has no limits
            1. Jake danzels
              Jake danzels 6 September 2013 13: 06
              +2
              but in essence, it’s not fate to answer?
        2. Horst78
          Horst78 6 September 2013 13: 16
          +1
          Freeloader? Come to our Siberia and you will see that such parasites in our conditions have created.
          I earn in an honest way. It also happens that 11-12 hours a day have to be plowed.
          11-12 hours? standard work time of the shift operator. I was surprised.
          Why did a Ukrainian brother kill young boys in Chechnya?
          in Tomsk in 1995. my neighbor Chechen gave me money so that I could eat. "Russian fellow countryman" deceived, so this statement is not an argument. Sorry minus.
          1. I am a Russian
            I am a Russian 6 September 2013 14: 25
            -4
            Quote: Horst78
            Sorry minus.


            I do not care. We write about different people. You don’t see the difference.

            Quote: Horst78
            standard work time of the shift operator. I was surprised.


            laughing do not make me laugh! Read for a start - article 297 of the Labor Code of the Russian Federation. And then you talk about working methods and conditions.
            Forum fighter ... you're stupid! Your lot is drunken dialogues like "Do you respect me?"
            1. Horst78
              Horst78 11 September 2013 09: 03
              0
              "Article 297. General provisions on work on a rotational basis.
              The shift method is a special form of implementation of the labor process outside the place of permanent residence of workers, when their daily return to their place of permanent residence can not be ensured.
              The shift method is used when the workplace is significantly removed from the place of permanent residence of the workers or the employer's location in order to reduce the time for construction, repair or reconstruction of industrial, social and other facilities in uninhabited, remote areas or areas with special environmental conditions, as well as in order to implement other production activities.
              Workers involved in shift work while staying at the production facility live in shift camps specially created by the employer, which are a complex of buildings and structures designed to ensure the livelihoods of these workers during their work and shift between shifts, or in adapted for these goals and hostels and other residential premises paid for by the employer.
              The procedure for applying the rotational method is approved by the employer, taking into account the opinion of the elected body of the primary trade union organization in the manner prescribed by Article 372 of this Code for the adoption of local regulations. "
              So what? I quote you
              I earn in an honest way. It also happens that 11-12 hours a day have to be plowed.
              You write
              It happens
              see Articles 299, 300 and 301 of the Labor Code of the Russian Federation.
              Forum fighter ... you're stupid! Your lot is drunken dialogues like "Do you respect me?"
              I leave no comments in mind the number of minuses you have. hi
              PS But did they work on duty in the north?
              1. I am a Russian
                I am a Russian 11 September 2013 22: 16
                -1
                Quote: Horst78
                ...So what?


                No. Sorry ... you see yours. Further there is no point in continuing.

                And about the cons -


                Quote: I am a Russian
                I do not care.
    2. washi
      washi 6 September 2013 11: 15
      +2
      Quote: Standard Oil
      Maybe it's time for Russia all the same to adopt all the best from the West, leaving behind all the worst? I don't understand why the signing of the UN convention on combating corruption is allowed to contradict our culture and spirituality? according to European or American, the authorities have settled well here, they have made a mess here and sing songs about "a special way and spirituality" deep insanity in power to sit, although insanity is already slipping here and there.

      And what do they have that we do not have or did not have?
      Democracy? Remember the Russian Veche or the Stalinist Councils of really People's Deputies.
      Fighting corruption? Yes, then half of the site will howl if you fight it for real and on the state. you will not recruit anybody, tk. there must plow. We will have to introduce a military dictatorship in order to preserve at least some control of the country (although it may be necessary at the state level, but let “democracy” remain at the regional level).
      And in spirituality: just compare Protestantism and Orthodoxy.
    3. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 6 September 2013 19: 45
      0
      Quote: Standard Oil
      what is he going to like Brezhnev to a deep senility with power to sit
  10. Alekseev
    Alekseev 6 September 2013 09: 16
    +9
    "However, for some unknown reason, it is not customary for us to talk about Russian successes."
    That the truth is true. request
    I’m watching the Inter channel recently. They show how fagots in Europe and America scolded Putin for not giving in to them.
    And the tone of the commentary zhurnalyuzhki agree with the opinion of fag!
    Say the tyrant Putin does not give them free rein ...
    Why are such plots calculated in Ukraine?
    I don’t know, but they look the same. There are probably those who are satisfied with such propaganda.
  11. Echo
    Echo 6 September 2013 09: 23
    -2
    Ukraine can be expanded only through a good kick to the west. As long as Russia does not have the opportunity to simply prohibit the West from spreading anti-Russian lies in Ukraine, no matter how much Russia bucks in money to popularize the CU, everything will be useless. The West has stupidly more money, they can print it any number. Therefore, Russia needs to take an aggressive stance and threaten repressive actions against the West. And even the armed struggle in Ukraine, with the stuffing of lead by especially stubborn liars and their support, the subsequent disbandment of Ukraine as a state (there would be nothing to regret) and a couple of funny nishtyaks directly in the west.
  12. Sega
    Sega 6 September 2013 09: 25
    +7
    Knowing the Ukrainian mentality - it will be difficult for them in Europe. The article for all 100 is competent and truthful. Everything is written correctly. I want to add a little more from myself. The fact remains. If everything would be bad in Russia, then explain to me the citizens of Ukraine, why do you come to Russia in such a chilled amount to earn money? Why aren’t you traveling to Europe in such numbers (I am silent about the girls of the ancient profession)? If you are doing well, why aren’t you making money at home?
    1. The Indian Joe
      The Indian Joe 6 September 2013 09: 42
      +1
      It’s easier to get to Russia than to the EU.
      1. 787nkx
        787nkx 6 September 2013 10: 35
        +1
        The prospects with Europe are clear, but unpredictable with Russia.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 6 September 2013 15: 11
          +1
          Quote: 787nkx
          The prospects with Europe are clear, but unpredictable with Russia.

          Whoever doubted that in Europe they would predictably rob and lower them below the baseboard, but with Russia there would be an unpredictable economic recovery.
    2. O_RUS
      O_RUS 6 September 2013 10: 34
      +1
      Sega to you +. Good koment ... without unnecessary emotions.

      Quote: Sega
      explain to me the citizens of Ukraine, why do you come to Russia in such a chilled amount to earn money?


      in Russia there is a freebie, but in Europe this will not work.

      Quote: Sega
      If you are doing well, why aren’t you making money at home?


      it's hard to work at home "for yourself" ... it's easier to go to Russia ... to earn money and leave. More than 20 years of independence .... not only the economy has collapsed, but also the very attitude of a Ukrainian to work and others, laziness, professional illiteracy, Nazism flourishes. Live their lives ...
      But in Ukraine there is a lot of work, only to work and earn money you need to study and work hard. But not everyone wants to sweat.
  13. shchukin
    shchukin 6 September 2013 09: 29
    +7
    Good afternoon. The author certainly knows better how the economy is modernizing, modernizing very well !!!!!! The industrial buildings of the factories are being modernized into shopping and entertainment centers. Great upgrade. Education is also being modernized. Excuse me Dear author, have you read the Law "On Education"? If not, I recommend entertaining reading.
  14. mirag2
    mirag2 6 September 2013 09: 37
    +1
    Everyone has their own way. I don’t understand what to get to us? And then some kind of goat - "... ban the TS as an organization!" - Yes, Clinton, by the way. How did he touch her?
  15. Captain Vrungel
    Captain Vrungel 6 September 2013 09: 39
    +6
    The people of Ukraine have been tired of this mess since 1991. Tired of the lawlessness of the thieving bandit power. Tired of bribery and corruption made into law and protected by the very same bandits in the uniform of the police, prosecutor's office and the robes of judges. Lack of social, legal, medical protection. Be a powerless biomass. The situation in Russia is not much better. Same problems. There is still hope that the EU will help get rid of corruption and lawlessness. Social protection will appear. Laws will begin to operate, not concepts. The bandit power and its minions will disappear into oblivion. the people will feel themselves not as biomass, but as a person. A generation has already grown up that does not know the USSR. Sees "brotherly" bickering. and aims from local lawlessness to European legal guarantees. The people are tired of living according to the principle "It could be worse." I want to feel like a man. Putin's imperial ambitions and his Jesuitically tough policy toward Ukraine alienate even CU supporters.
    And most importantly, no one will have Ukraine in the EU tomorrow and in the coming decades. does not wait. Yanukovych's behavior. this is a scam of the regionals on the eve of the elections to flirt with the West, local and distant. Someone believes that the "family" will choose the fate of Gaddafi with their own hands. You won't wait. Likely. Mazepa's pectoral cross, Yushchenko handed over to Yanukovych. But Mazepa did not care about Ukraine, but about himself.
    1. washi
      washi 6 September 2013 11: 25
      +2
      Putin’s imperial ambitions and his Jesuit-harsh policies toward Ukraine repel even TC supporters.
      GDP may have imperial ambitions, and dependency on the outskirts. Someone outsider should boost the economy there, eradicate corruption, restore order, etc. Of course, I understand heredity, even from the Zaporizhzhya Cossacks the habit of a freebie and irresponsibility, but how much is it possible? We will not talk about the Republic of Ingushetia, but during the Soviet era, they organized a separate republic, cut land, raised industry, and so what? As always, everyone was poher because of their individualism. In Russia, society has always been valued. And with your individualism, go to the EU.
  16. The Indian Joe
    The Indian Joe 6 September 2013 09: 42
    +5
    Ukraine will never be in Europe - because it is unable to ensure European order and observance of laws on its territory. The best laws do not work if they are not supported by the population of the country - but how to force a person to be even, not take bribes, not litter, treats with care and diligence not only his "underworld" (yard, Ukrainian.), But also to the whole country? And in Ukraine, who snatched more, who snatched more abruptly - well done.
    And the country's authorities - at all times spat on the opinion of the people. For example, they organized a referendum on joining NATO (which would have buried the very idea of ​​joining this bloc of aggressors - the majority is against it!) - Yushchenko blocked the holding of a referendum through a court, though. that twice as many signatures were collected for holding than was supposed to be.
    Now the Communists in Ukraine tried to organize a referendum on joining the TS - the authorities, through a minor judicial official of some district court, banned the organization of this referendum - although the referendum is a direct constitutional right of citizens of the country.
  17. Sour
    Sour 6 September 2013 09: 42
    +4
    The meaning of the existence of the Ukrainian state is to oppose itself to Russia. The whole national Ukrainian idea also lies in the opposition of Ukrainians and Russians. For Ukrainians to unite with Russia means to acknowledge the failure of their state and their national idea. Ukraine is more likely to unite with Turkey than with Russia.
    By the way, this has already happened. In the 18th century, the Cossacks preferred service to the Turkish Sultan, rather than the Russian crown. Some then thought better of it, but not all.
  18. pensioner
    pensioner 6 September 2013 09: 48
    +1
    We hope that we will have an influential pro-Russian politician who will come to power by some miracle, and Ukraine will finally put an end to the disastrous course for Europe and the people.

    And if there are any? In terms of-influential. Maybe enlighten?
    1. seller trucks
      seller trucks 6 September 2013 11: 30
      +2
      Quote: retired
      And if there are any? In a sense, influential. Maybe enlighten?


      There is nothing to educate, all those who tore the "Russian" card turned out to be commonplace thieves and political castrates.
      We hope that we will have an influential pro-Russian politician,
      and these words are a manifestation of weakness, and if it does not come, then what?
  19. Zhylaw
    Zhylaw 6 September 2013 09: 51
    +8
    Why does Ukraine choose Eurocode rather than Holy Russia?

    It is very simple. Ordinary people do not see what is happening in reality.
    The average citizen is blinded by the sparkling and shiny packaging. With her Western propaganda hides her true goals:

    First, Ukraine should be separated by all means from Russia in order to weaken both countries.
    Secondly, the West needs Ukraine only as a territory, market and consumer of their goods.


    They need the Ukrainian people only as servants. You only need to spend a few days in Bulgaria today to see what awaits Ukraine in only a few years.

    The word "Ukraine" will remain only a geographical concept.
    1. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 6 September 2013 10: 04
      +4
      Everything is true, except for consumerism. Given the limited and finite nature of world resources, they do not need another mouth, another consumer.
      Therefore, Ukraine is dying at an accelerated pace.
    2. washi
      washi 6 September 2013 11: 28
      +2
      It is very simple. Ordinary people do not see what is happening in reality.
      The average citizen is blinded by the sparkling and shiny packaging.
      Do you think the outskirts are so dumb?
      1. Ivan_Ivanov
        Ivan_Ivanov 6 September 2013 11: 46
        0
        You underestimate the power of propaganda and public opinion management.
      2. seller trucks
        seller trucks 6 September 2013 12: 56
        +1
        Quote: Vasya
        Do you think the outskirts are so dumb?


        fortunately, not all, unfortunately most, the issue is resolved only through the "rake", I hope it will work.
      3. Zhylaw
        Zhylaw 6 September 2013 16: 36
        +3
        Quote: Vasya
        Do you think the outskirts are so dumb?


        Hello, Vasya.
        This is not about stupidity or mind. Propaganda is slowly but surely doing a lot of people in zombies. Of course, not all, but enough.
        In addition, there is something beyond propaganda itself. The so-called "soft power" of the West, primarily the United States, quietly leads to some imitation of the West in all respects.
        Subtle changes occur in all spheres of public life, especially in the field of education and upbringing of children and family. Years pass, the struggle for existence in "democracy" will not leave you time to look around.
        One fine day you wake up and realize that nothing from previous virtues anymore matters.
        Two decades ago, I could not believe that most American students could not find their country on the map. But now I believe, because our children can no longer find where Bulgaria is on the globe.
  20. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 6 September 2013 09: 56
    +6
    We in Russia do not even imagine what anti-Russian propaganda is deployed in Ukraine! And this propaganda is not limited to public and private media. A few years ago I was at the anniversary evening of my rural school in the Kharkov region. At the very beginning of the evening, the representative of the district department of public education (RAYONO) began his greeting to the former graduates with a warning about the insidious plans of Russia. Anti-Russian propaganda permeated all sectors of society, even at the household level. Why is such a powerful anti-Russian campaign launched? I think that the main reason is economic. Ukrainians did not live up to the expectation that with independence, the people would live much better than in the USSR. The life of the people during independence has become much worse. It was necessary to find the culprit and they found him - Russia. The author is right, during the time of independence not a single president of Ukraine was elected, who would have a positive attitude towards Russia
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev 6 September 2013 12: 15
      +1
      Quote: Ivanovich47
      Ukrainians did not live up to the expectation that with independence, the people would live much better than in the USSR. The life of the people during independence has become much worse. It was necessary to find the culprit and they found him - Russia.

      Absolutely accurate definition! good
      Of course, nobody says that directly, but look at any Ukrainian TV channel: nothing positive about the main neighbor.
      And Obama doesn’t want to meet with Putin, that’s such a bad Putin (as if Obama is the deputy of Jesus), that’s ... they’re, they’re dissatisfied, they’re holding them ... bad, they’re tightening up the customs regime, (problems with EU) oh, how not fraternal! The government of Ukraine has long been warned of such consequences, Azarov confirms this, the owners of the magazine know everything perfectly, but it is presented as a revelation ...
      And what is the statement of the pot-bellied Ukrainian policeman in the Rada that the attack on war veterans on May 9 in Lviv was organized by Russian extremists ...
      Is this for fools? Perhaps, but they are not so, unfortunately, not enough.
      Let not all, but many, the Ukrainian media accurately characterize the anecdote: "Here are the oaths of the mos..li, they naphali a povny litak, and they stuck at a yak rocket over the Black Sea!" wassat
    2. O_RUS
      O_RUS 6 September 2013 12: 30
      0
      Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
      In the evening, flipping through UkroTV. Through the channel about the war of Russia against Ukraine. About how Russia is deceitful, unfair, hypocritical, vicious, how it wants to destroy a good, wonderful Ukraine and the same Ukrainians.

      ALL EVENING. ON ALL INFORMATION CHANNELS AND TRANSMISSIONS.


      Ukrainian always blames Russia
      1. Ivan_Ivanov
        Ivan_Ivanov 6 September 2013 13: 18
        +2
        What does UkroTV have to do with a simple Ukrainian?

        The Berezovsky, Khodorkovsky, and Abramovichs appropriated, tattered, and plundered Russia, but neither me, nor you, nor anyone else will turn their tongue to say that the Russians did it.

        Why, then, on the basis that UkroTV blames Russia for everything, do you conclude that the Ukrainian always blames Russia?

        After all, Ukro TV not only does not express the opinion of Ukrainians (which artificially shared by propaganda of this very Ukro TV 50/50) but which does not obey the Ukrainians, but submits to the West and is financed by it.
  21. Ivan_Ivanov
    Ivan_Ivanov 6 September 2013 09: 57
    +1
    Why Ukraine chooses Eurosod, not Holy Russia


    Because the West put an iron on the belly of the Ukrainian authorities, and hung a candy in front of its nose.
    1. 787nkx
      787nkx 6 September 2013 10: 39
      +1
      Because Russia will not go anywhere anyway, we are bound by very strong ties and despite the orientation of the Ukrainians, we will consider them our own and strongly support them. And they know that.
  22. avia12005
    avia12005 6 September 2013 10: 00
    +4
    2 spent the month in Ukraine, I confirm the conclusions. The completely anti-Russian and anti-Russian propaganda is organized just fine. But the pro-Russian way. It seems that the time has come not just to change, but to expel by four those who are responsible for this. The Russian Federation must state directly that Ukraine, at least its eastern part, the Crimea, Odessa, and Nikolaev, are part of a common country.
    1. washi
      washi 6 September 2013 11: 30
      0
      Quote: avia12005
      2 spent the month in Ukraine, I confirm the conclusions. The completely anti-Russian and anti-Russian propaganda is organized just fine. But the pro-Russian way. It seems that the time has come not just to change, but to expel by four those who are responsible for this. The Russian Federation must state directly that Ukraine, at least its eastern part, the Crimea, Odessa, and Nikolaev, are part of a common country.

      It is easy to declare, but what to do with ALL international treaties signed by EBN?
      The Kosovo scenario remains, but this is the death of OUR people.
    2. Corneli
      Corneli 6 September 2013 17: 44
      0
      Quote: avia12005
      The Russian Federation must expressly state that Ukraine, at least its eastern part, Crimea, Odessa, Nikolaev, are part of a common country.

      AND? What would Russia achieve with this statement?
      The above areas with joyful cries would rush to the Russian Federation? I doubt it very much
      Perhaps such a "statement" would improve the "image" of Russia for an ordinary Ukrainian citizen? Like "advertising", as in the article)
      Or would relations with the rest of the world be caught? Like, look, no Russia is an evil empire (as you are afraid), it is kind and "holy". I wanted to bam too, declared the lands of another state as her own, niggling about that state (brothers zh epts) and some signed agreements (why can the United States violate them?)
      And given that Ukraine would not want to give anything ... we get invasion and war. And with unknown consequences (including for the world). One thing I can say for sure the remaining Ukrainians would forever forget about the "brotherhood"
      In general, we are on the right track, comrade! For more like you and inappropriately, neither Svidomo zapadentsev, nor gay advertising, nor any other anti-Russian propaganda ... there will be more than enough like you.
      1. xan
        xan 6 September 2013 21: 40
        +1
        Quote: Corneli
        And given that Ukraine wouldn’t want to give anything ... we get an invasion and war. And with unknown consequences (including for the world).

        don't flatter yourself
        Quote: Corneli
        One thing I can say for sure the remaining Ukrainians would forever forget about the "brotherhood"

        the remaining ones are those who took not their own and cannot part? Why do we need such Ukrainians?
        We need Ukrainians with whom we can solve global problems without expecting the betrayal that will be with us under any circumstances.
        Ukrainians expecting nishtyaks from us, we do not need
        1. Corneli
          Corneli 6 September 2013 21: 53
          -1
          Quote: xan
          don't flatter yourself

          Precisely, stop fantasizing and "flatter" the conquerors ...
          Quote: xan
          the remaining ones are those who took not their own and cannot part?

          Are you talking about?
          Quote: xan
          Ukrainians expecting nishtyaks from us, we do not need

          Quote: xan
          Why do we need such Ukrainians?

          The Russians (fortunately, I think, there are no such majority) who sleep and see how to invade another country and seize (regain) their territories are needed by the Ukrainians even less ... nidar, not for "nishtyaks". And for granted about "global tasks" and no one will talk about it ... And then again a problem will occur, bam half of the country has been captured.
          1. xan
            xan 6 September 2013 22: 56
            +1
            Quote: Corneli
            And then again the problem will occur, bam from thee half the country captured.

            nobody captured anything from the Russians by force of arms
            I humbly keep silent about Ukrainians
            it’s useless for Russian opponents to pump muscle, they need to train their language and cunning
            but there is already a specific vaccine.
            Yes, by the way, in the Crimea you are an invader, Svidomo.
        2. I am a Russian
          I am a Russian 8 September 2013 22: 40
          -1
          Quote: xan
          Why do we need such Ukrainians?

          Quote: xan
          Ukrainians expecting nishtyaks from us, we do not need


          + good

          there are enough lazy people

          "Ukraine is a colony of the West"
  23. 787nkx
    787nkx 6 September 2013 10: 19
    +2
    Ukraine wants to buy a European franchise dearly. With Europe, the prospects, though not very bright, are clear.
  24. aspirin02
    aspirin02 6 September 2013 10: 26
    +5
    Once the union of our countries was called the triumvirate. And this inspired respect for our "international partners"
    1. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 6 September 2013 10: 29
      +2
      Once it was one country.
    2. VDV 80-82
      VDV 80-82 6 September 2013 11: 21
      +4
      Yes! gold words! but unfortunately in 22 years your country has gone too far from Russia ... and much has changed in our country. As they say, you won’t be forcibly sweet. My opinion is that Ukraine should not be prevented from sailing to the West, maybe the truth will be better for them there.
      1. Ivan_Ivanov
        Ivan_Ivanov 6 September 2013 11: 38
        +3
        We must not stop Ukraine from sailing to the West ...

        So that we finally drowned? all died out ...?

        maybe they’d better be there

        Many examples of eastern Europe prove that it will not be better.

        unfortunately for 22 years your country has gone too far from Russia ...

        Before reunification in 1654, we were separated much longer.

        In Ukraine, half of the population (at least) either considers themselves Russian, or believes that Russian and Ukrainian are two branches of the same people. And can you just give up Ukraine, Ukrainians? At the same time, when Medvedev surrendered Libya, or when Yeltsin surrendered Yugoslavia, they rightly swore their last words ...

        The one who wants sees the possibilities. Who does not want - obstacles.
  25. Ivan_Ivanov
    Ivan_Ivanov 6 September 2013 10: 27
    +4
    Dear readers, visitors to the resource, do not confuse or confuse concepts "Ukraine" и "Ukrainian government".

    Although they are close and closely touch and even intersect somewhere, it is not correct to say that “Ukraine wants to join Europe” or “Ukraine has made a European choice”. This is "Ukrainian politicians want, but at least half of the Ukrainian population does not.
    1. O_RUS
      O_RUS 6 September 2013 10: 44
      0
      Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
      Dear readers, visitors of the resource, please do not confuse or confuse the concepts of "Ukraine" and "Ukrainian power".


      ... Western and Eastern Ukraine, too, do not mix?
      1. Ivan_Ivanov
        Ivan_Ivanov 6 September 2013 10: 54
        +1
        The thought “Ukraine has made a European choice” is constantly heard.

        But Ukraine is, among other things, 50% (or more) of those who are against this choice of politicians.
    2. washi
      washi 6 September 2013 11: 33
      0
      Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
      Dear readers, visitors to the resource, do not confuse or confuse concepts "Ukraine" и "Ukrainian government".
      Although they are close and closely touch and even intersect somewhere, it is not correct to say that “Ukraine wants to join Europe” or “Ukraine has made a European choice”. This is "Ukrainian politicians want, but at least half of the Ukrainian population does not.

      Do not mix, please in relation to all countries, PEOPLE AND POWER
      1. seller trucks
        seller trucks 6 September 2013 15: 12
        +1
        Quote: Vasya
        Do not mix, please in relation to all countries, PEOPLE AND POWER


        it’s probably so, but judging by the comments of the branch, Russian citizens for the most part support the actions of the authorities existing in the Russian Federation (Ukraine, Syria, Putin-Shoigu reforms, etc.), while Ukrainians do not have their own actions, inconsistency, however.
        1. Corneli
          Corneli 6 September 2013 18: 00
          +1
          Quote: seller trucks
          it’s probably so, but judging by the comments of the branch, Russian citizens for the most part support the actions of the authorities existing in the Russian Federation (Ukraine, Syria, Putin-Shoigu reforms, etc.), while Ukrainians do not have their own actions, inconsistency, however.

          Maybe the answer is much simpler? this Russian militarypatriotic website. The contingent of readers is mostly Russian (which is logical))) Ukrainians are here either interested in military equipment, or adults, versatile people (usually born in the USSR). Because members of the forum from Ukraine and seem much more tolerant (to the angry shouts of "older brothers") and more critical of their power. Ukrainian "urya-patriots" sit on the Ukrainian. sites and there "uryakayut".
          1. Cristall
            Cristall 7 September 2013 23: 36
            -1
            awesome comment. Clearly disclosed.
            I would also add that even here they try to pull the tolerant by the ears to all the "Ukrainian" realities. About you, Korneli, I already looked, you are here in the same branch, then Bendera is already some kind of bad wink In general, well, you are Ukrainian. lol You understand yourself.
  26. ReifA
    ReifA 6 September 2013 10: 44
    +2
    Whoever paid the policy more, for that, the corrupt politician goes.
  27. chenia
    chenia 6 September 2013 11: 11
    +5
    Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
    Dear readers, visitors of the resource, please do not confuse or confuse the concepts of "Ukraine" and "Ukrainian power".

    I agree, here the Russians would remember how they twice chose Yeltsin. The fact that our power raguls in 20 years built a DAMAGE (well, bananas do not grow with us) republic from a rich and powerful country, everyone already understood.

    And people have long voted not FOR, but AGAINST. And the understanding that Europe is not fucking will not eat.
    But the action of the Russian authorities, on the contrary, is repulsive, it seems that they are deliberately creating obstacles there that hamper our unification. Such rude attempts to draw in the CU (and some actions against Belarus) scare the average man even a supporter of integration.

    There are no significant pro-Russian parties in Ukraine, since our thieves 'oranges and thieves' blues are afraid of your steeper thieves (that they will take away their property acquired by overwork).
    1. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 6 September 2013 11: 20
      +2
      So far, modern history shows that it is the West that takes everything right up to life from local rulers. Milosevic, Gaddafi, Hussein, Ukrainian Lazarenko ... But the Ukrainians are sitting so tightly on the hook in the west that they are no longer able to jump.

      We constantly hear about disagreements between Belarus and Russia, as the media is fanning every dispute to a universal scale. (and without disputes and disagreements in a large team does not happen) But practically nothing is heard about where there is complete love and understanding.
    2. Russ69
      Russ69 6 September 2013 12: 15
      +1
      Quote: chenia
      I agree, here the Russians would remember how they twice chose Yeltsin.

      Selected once, the second time he self-selected ...
    3. Fin
      Fin 6 September 2013 12: 46
      0
      Quote: chenia
      then the Russians would remember how they twice chose Yeltsin.

      The second time Zyuganov was elected, but he piled on his pants.
    4. berimor
      berimor 6 September 2013 14: 36
      +2
      Absolutely spotted !!!! I already wrote about this too! The Russian politicians act TOO stupidly and rudely in relation to their neighbors (I mean not only Ukraine) The constant humiliation of Ukraine, the incessant threats to tear off the Crimea and eastern territories, all sorts of arguments about the fact that there is no such people at all! Sorry, who gave you such a right! Work on your dung first! I have always been for unity, for the Customs Union, we ourselves know that the EU is not really looking forward to us, but the Russian authorities in their Great-Russian chauvinism no longer see anything around them (well, it's a shame, after all!) Ukraine tried to meet halfway (remember though would extend the lease to your fleet until 2042, although Yanukovych took a great risk by signing this agreement! and what Ukraine received in return was only a colossal increase in the price of gas, which accordingly made many of our products uncompetitive. Well, it’s a very friendly step! Russia understands very well why it threatens Ukraine, and nevertheless, with the stubbornness of an elephant, it goes for it! And the constant "love" whispering from Russia: "if you are not ... then we ..."
  28. DmitryMSK
    DmitryMSK 6 September 2013 11: 24
    +2
    The soul hurts for Ukraine, it’s a pity to watch how they are going to step on the same rake as the countries of Eastern Europe sad Before, Ukrainian relatives fed us, now we send them money. I asked Bati how is it in the Kirovograd region? (He was there this summer) He answered in one word, ass
  29. Cristall
    Cristall 6 September 2013 11: 46
    +1
    betting on politicians in Ukraine should not be done at all. A politician is a corrupt body. Expensive and inefficient. Competing with Westerners is not our method.
    It was necessary to rely on the organization and the people themselves.
    The fact is that the people in general really do not vote FOR, but AGAINST (a vivid example of Yanyk-Yush) and ALL politicians for him is a synonym for the word -THE.
    It was necessary to conduct propaganda from below.
    By the way, we need to check if we still have posters for the TS. (Odessa. By the way, they were put by none other than PR. This is such a trick, probably, to say the right words and actions in the right place.
    Threat looked generally BP meeting - for a long time so many dolls have not seen together ...
    Someone asked our opinion? Someone announced the opinion of economists? The advantages of this or that on the central channels held? At the wrong time, the wars of war .. really at the wrong time ... they hit the electorate hard for the TS .. they just destroyed it ....
    1. xan
      xan 6 September 2013 13: 36
      -2
      Quote: Cristall
      At the wrong time, the wars of war .. really at the wrong time ... they hit the electorate hard for the TS .. they just destroyed it ....

      this electorate is a hostage
      for the sake of TS supporters, do you need to go to nishtyaki throughout Ukraine?
      it's a run in a circle
      1. O_RUS
        O_RUS 7 September 2013 22: 13
        0
        Khan to you +. It’s hard to admit your mistakes.
      2. Cristall
        Cristall 7 September 2013 23: 48
        -1
        The electorate, he sees everything simply, without getting carried away into the deep jungle of higher politics. At the most crucial moment, when the two opinions of the CU and the EU of the choice become more relevant and more relevant, this Trade audit arises (according to the Ukrainian side, the trade war)
        What does the simple Ukrainian people (electorate) see? Do you think he will see the correctness of the step of the Russian side? Hardly...
        Repeat - this trade war was the worst argument in favor of the vehicle! I have never seen the number of supporters of the TS fall after such actions.
        Well this does not work. But the supporters of these fascists from freedom became many times more!
        I recently read that Putin is doing the right thing, that he is not taking steps against the people, but only putting pressure on the Ukrainian government .. It was simply impossible to come up with the best anti-advertising for the CU for all Westerners and EUs.
        Yes, maybe this is all the right step in terms of politics. But in the end, Business easily transferred the pressure by substituting the people.
        Threat, in my observation, until November such anti-advertising of the TS was categorically impossible. If we proceed from the thesis of Slavism, then we are all stubborn. And contrary to physical coercion. And it was only necessary that the Ukrainians wanted in the vehicle themselves ... ehh sorry that Putin for some reason played into the hands of these Bendera ..
        But it’s very difficult for us here.
        http://ru.tvi.ua/new/2013/06/16/farion_na_scene_rastoptala_trofej_iz_odessy
        These comrades will soon prosecute us for the Russian language under article harm to Ukraine, and call us "Odessa"
        http://timer.od.ua/neformat/koza_dereza_v_odesse_perli_ot_irini_farion_322.html
  30. Gato
    Gato 6 September 2013 12: 09
    +2
    Well, why so? request
    I am reading an article by the author I respect, S. Lunev. And everything is correct, an accurate description of the situation, completely logical premises. You are waiting for conclusions that are no less logical and interesting. ... But everything is as always in the last paragraph: the Russian Federation is Holy Russia, V. Putin tells the people "the truth, only the truth and nothing but the truth", and if someone does not believe - so what to take from them, this is
    mediocre idlers and greedy for money, betraying their homeland and the covenants of their ancestors
    1. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 6 September 2013 12: 23
      -4
      Or maybe it’s not Lunev’s wrong, but just someone’s biased attitude? winked
      1. seller trucks
        seller trucks 6 September 2013 15: 44
        +3
        Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
        Or maybe it’s not Lunev’s wrong, but just someone’s biased attitude?


        I’ve got a proof on occasion, an interesting story:

        http://life.pravda.com.ua/person/2013/09/6/137972/view_comments/page_12/

        briefly "Yekaterina Abdulina calls Ukrainian schools" bidlyachim "and is glad that her daughter has become a student of a Russian gymnasium."

        The soloist of the National Opera of Ukraine wrote on Facebook: "I sent the child to a Russian gymnasium and have never regretted it. All the subjects in Russian are all very clear and understandable. And most of all I liked the solemn ruler, I even cried. High school students spoke very beautifully in Russian. They sang and recited poetry. Yes, in general, the contingent of parents and children dramatically differs from bydlyachny Ukrainian schools. In the first grade three times a week. Ukrainian. Language, and grammar school graduates speak it much better than graduates of Ukrainian schools. I am glad that my daughter studies among morally healthy children. And not among cattle "

        comments on the article, masterpieces, threw over 200 pieces:

        1. And you, "naive", really do not know why ?! And in order to at the end, go to remove, because the hut is not swept, it becomes moldy and rotted! Enough for us to endure vile, arrogant rudeness that borders on xenophobia! Moreover, in your own home! And this "miracle" asiopska should understand that in UKRAINE she will have to respect TsKRAUNTSIV !!! As they say: - "If you do not know how, we will teach! If you do not want, we will force" !!!

        2. And after such a drunk sitting, I am a Nazi face, scratching the back of my head and wondering why they are so hated all over the world. And he won’t understand. He does not understand why the use of his (her) language is inevitably reduced (even in Muscovy itself) everywhere, almost to the point of its complete tacit prohibition. He scratches the back of his head, smoothly moving on to scratching the buttocks, the groin sector, and everything thinks, thinks, thinks. And then he pours another glass, drinks and falls prostrate, grunting in his sleep. And his last thought "maybe everything will work out by itself, the morning of the end is wise."

        3. The Russian world and the "culture" of the Russian-speaking in all its glory. HAMKA and RUSSIAN NAZI! These are typical of the "Russian" Ivanbaevs and Mashabdulins - crap on people who are calm and safe. They perceive these human European qualities as weakness. And they react like wild SINGING monkeys, animals, instinctively trying to climb on the shoulders of the hospitable people and GUESTS or even WORK. If you read the forums of emigrants "Russians in Belgium, France, Czech Republic, Italy ..." and then and there you will also find a stream of shit on the local population and foundations, in the most vile form. It is necessary to squeeze Abdulina to Moscow, let him enjoy the Russian hospitality of the Molotkov neo-Nazi gang, who soaked people on a national basis (a person of non-Slavic appearance) with hammers just on the street. 27 people were killed only by one gang, and there were more than 2008 such gangs in "great" Russia in 150. Well, probably the HAMKA yearns for the Russian Ramadan, in Kiev they don't cut the throats of rams under the balconies. DISRUPT HER PERFORMANCE !!!

        if, honestly, I condemn her act, but e-mazai, a man expressed his own opinion no more, inflate to universal proportions. And how are opponents writing commentary on the article better?

        PS. in the comments in connection with the censor, the word m / o / s / c / a / l is missing and another translation was made through google jambs in the texts did not correct.
        1. Corneli
          Corneli 6 September 2013 18: 27
          0
          Quote: seller trucks
          if, honestly, I condemn her act, but e-mazai, a man expressed his own opinion no more, inflate to universal proportions. And how are opponents writing commentary on the article better?

          Do you know such a lady, the People's Deputy of "Svoboda" Irina Farion?) It seems that here, on the site, an article was devoted to her. You are not surprised or embarrassed that her "expression of her own opinion" about the Russian language, for example, is "inflated to a universal scale"?)
          And yes, opponents are not "better", but a lot depends on the site's moderation. if it were not for this site, again, there would be hard moderation here too, periodically, "pearls" would be no worse.
          P.S. By the way, comparing a gymnasium / lyceum (no matter Russian or Ukrainian) and an ordinary school (again, Russian or Ukrainian) is not correct. The level of knowledge and teaching, in all aspects, is radically different there. So the "bohemian" lady was not even focusing on the language topic, but on the difference between the "aristocratic" paid grammar schools and ordinary schools for "cattle"
          1. Cristall
            Cristall 8 September 2013 00: 04
            0
            It is not enough to shoot this "lady" ... I don’t know how for the rest, but I had the impression that her enemies were not on the other side of the Berlin Wall, but here. Russian-speaking Ukrainians. Many Russians do not know the deeds (even the atrocities) of this "lady" For her statements about my hometown (and the statements of her supporters), if I were Kostusev, I would appoint her persona non grata in Odessa.
            She is even cleaner than Tyagnibok - she wants a tax on the use of the Russian language, its complete ban, but how she wanted to fire the driver for Russian radio! How she shouted at children with Russian names, how she rubbed shoulders with the Amertsy ... but I have, forgive me, just an attack of universal rage of protest against the actions of this "lady". I don't want to be like her methods, it's shameful, but you need to do something against her. This is the real enemy. Personally mine. Forgive me ... but before she got to my city, I thought she was just a peaceful madwoman.
            1. Corneli
              Corneli 9 September 2013 00: 39
              0
              Quote: Cristall
              It is not enough to shoot this "lady" ... I don’t know how for the rest, but I had the impression that her enemies were not on the other side of the Berlin Wall, but here. Russian-speaking Ukrainians. Many Russians do not know the deeds (even the atrocities) of this "lady" For her statements about my hometown (and the statements of her supporters), if I were Kostusev, I would appoint her persona non grata in Odessa.
              She's even cleaner than Tyagnibok--

              I cannot disagree ... although from Kiev (here, it seems like they speak different languages) But TA, Farion in the sense (forgive the moderators ((() This is just a PPT!) Unfortunately, not all patients "The war killed ..." And they threw eggs at her ... and rotten tomatoes, but is it PRET? request
  31. Kowalsky
    Kowalsky 6 September 2013 12: 43
    -3
    What nonsense ...
  32. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 6 September 2013 12: 55
    +6
    The first one. From the school bench, Ukrainian children are hammered into the head that the independence of Ukraine is a blessing, but they hide that Karl XII, Austria-Hungary, and Hitler carried the “blessing” to Ukrainians. An unpretentious parallel - the one who today stands for the independence of Ukraine, thinks in the same geopolitical categories as the Swedes in 1709 or the Fuhrer in 1941.

    The second one. If during the First World War the Austrians threw everyone who was called “Russian” into the concentration camps of Talerhof and Terezin, releasing from there those who renounced the Russian name and agreed to cross themselves into a Ukrainian, then I, who stands for Ukrainian nationality, separate from all-Russian, am the ideological heir of the Austrian concentration camp secret police?

    The third. If our grandfathers in 1941 threw themselves on fascist pillboxes and launched a bayonet attack in order to preserve our common Fatherland - the Soviet Union, not allowing the German military to pull it into "independent" pieces, why do we, their great-grandchildren, sympathize more with Hitler’s idea ( independence of Ukraine) than to our grandfathers-heroes (to keep Ukraine and Russia as part of one state)?

    Fourth. If Bandera scum, kissing the Germans' boots, carried out punitive raids against the civilian population under the "yellow-black-haired" banners, how can I, the grandson of a veteran of the Great Patriotic War, look without loathing at this yellow-blue Bandera rag, which was turned into the state symbol of Ukraine? And, congratulating the veterans on the great Victory Day, and, at the same time, respecting the idea of ​​an independent Ukraine, the supporters of which were German generals, am I really a hypocrite?

    Fifth. The Nazis, having captured Ukraine, were forbidden to speak Russian, introduced the Ukrainian language in all institutions. How should I, the grandson of a veteran of the Great Patriotic War, perceive the attempts of the modern Ukrainian authorities to force everyone to "indulge in Ukrainian mine" if these attempts are reminiscent of measures taken by the Nazis?

    Sixth. How can I, the grandson of a veteran of the Great Patriotic War, inspire respect for a state where Hitler's henchmen receive the title of heroes (posthumously), and representatives of pro-Nazi parties and movements sit in parliament?
    http://archive.censor.net.ua/go/viewTopic--id--451270
    1. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 6 September 2013 17: 50
      +2
      If our grandfathers in 1941 threw themselves on fascist pillboxes and launched a bayonet attack in order to preserve our common Fatherland - the Soviet Union, not allowing the German military to pull it into "independent" pieces, why do we, their great-grandchildren, sympathize more with Hitler’s idea ( independence of Ukraine) than to our grandfathers-heroes (to keep Ukraine and Russia as part of one state)?


      A very strong and wise argument. +1000
    2. Corneli
      Corneli 6 September 2013 19: 01
      +1
      Oh, what a beauty!
      Quote: smiths xnumx
      The first one. From school, Ukrainian children are hammered into the head that the independence of Ukraine is a blessing ...

      And in the schools of the rest of 192 countries of the world they "drum into" that the independence of their country is bad ?! belay
      Quote: smiths xnumx
      The second one. If during the years of the First World War the Austrians threw ... then I, who stands for Ukrainian nationality, separate from the all-Russian, am the ideological heir to the Austrian concentration camp guards?

      And if Prince Svyatoslav wanted to conquer Bulgaria and make Pereyaslavtse the capital of Russia, then do we also need to do modern Ukrainians? Shaw for parallels? Austrians (not Ukrainians) 100 years ago, they did something ... Conclusion: if you are for independent Ukraine, you are the heir to the Austrian secret police! wassat
      Quote: smiths xnumx
      The third. If our grandfathers in 1941 threw themselves at fascist pillboxes and launched a bayonet attack in order to preserve our common Fatherland - Soviet Union, not allowing the German military to pull it into “independent” pieces, why do we, their great-grandchildren, sympathize more with Hitler’s idea (independence of Ukraine) than our heroic grandfathers (keep Ukraine and Russia as part of one state)?

      I thought Hitler wanted to conquer the whole world and exterminate all the "lower" races or reduce them to the level of slaves, but he turned out to be at war for the independence of Ukraine! Ltd
      Quote: smiths xnumx
      Fourth. If the Bandera scum ... did punitive raids against the civilian population under the "yellow-black-haired" banners, how can I, the grandson of a Great Patriotic War veteran, look without loathing at this yellow-blue Bandera rag, which was turned into the state symbol of Ukraine? And, congratulating the veterans on the great Victory Day, and, at the same time, respecting the idea of ​​an independent Ukraine, the supporters of which were German generals, am I really a hypocrite?

      Licimer, OUN-UPA - red-black flag, SS Galicia Division - standard German. No "zhovto-blakitnyh". Unless you can pull the coat of arms. By the way, in the ROA Vlasov used the St. Andrew's cross and the Russian tricolor ... and how is it to lose under the "fascist symbols" - is not it a shame? And again, a fairy tale about how the Germans fought for an independent Ukraine. Ugh
    3. Corneli
      Corneli 6 September 2013 19: 01
      +1
      Continued ...
      Quote: smiths xnumx
      Fifth. The Nazis, having captured Ukraine, were forbidden to speak Russian, introduced the Ukrainian language in all institutions. How should I, the grandson of a veteran of the Great Patriotic War, perceive the attempts of the modern Ukrainian authorities to force everyone to "indulge in Ukrainian mine" if these attempts are reminiscent of measures taken by the Nazis?

      Uh-huh, and they also drove millions of these very "enlightened" Ukain residents to work in the camps and to work in the motherland ... probably to learn from an exchange. These are ... educational attempts. what did Hitler not do for the sake of "Independence of Ukraine"! He simply could not eat, he cared so much about her.
      Quote: smiths xnumx
      Sixth. How can I, the grandson of a veteran of the Great Patriotic War, inspire respect for a state where Hitler's henchmen receive the title of heroes (posthumously), and representatives of pro-Nazi parties and movements sit in parliament?

      The ONLY one with which I agree, but what is needed here is not "respect" but action against this! Do you sit on the "zh..pe" at home and do not fight with this? Don't whine about "respect"!
      1. smiths xnumx
        smiths xnumx 6 September 2013 20: 10
        +2
        And in the schools of the rest of 192 countries of the world they "drum into" that the independence of their country is bad ?!
        No, only this "blessing" was provided to you in 1991 by the most high-ranking Russian alcoholic, along with Crimea at the same time. And all the "Ukrainian leaders" (Mazepa, Petliura, Skoropadsky, Bandera), who are glorified as heroes in Ukraine, did nothing but sell "nenka" wholesale and retail (to Swedes, Poles, Germans), and were ready to borrow any pose from the "Kama Sutra", which he (the buyer) wishes, at the buyer's request. Therefore, the entire current territory of Ukraine is one big gift ...

        And if Prince Svyatoslav wanted to conquer Bulgaria and make Pereyaslavtse the capital of Russia, then do we also need to do modern Ukrainians? Shaw for parallels? Austrians (not Ukrainians) 100 years ago, they did something ... Conclusion: if you are for independent Ukraine, you are the heir to the Austrian secret police!
        Excuse me, what relation did Prince Svyatoslav son of the Varangian (West Slavic prince, the territory of modern Germany) and Olga from Pskov have to Ukraine? And in general, then that was Ukraine? By the way, is Talerhof with Terezin also fiction?
        I thought Hitler wanted to conquer the whole world and exterminate all the "lower" races or reduce them to the level of slaves, but he turned out to be at war for the independence of Ukraine! Ltd
        But some cat-dogs Bandera, Shlyukhevych and others like him did not think so ...
        The act of proclamation of the Ukrainian State.

        1. By the will of the Ukrainian people, the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, led by Stepan Bandera, proclaims the creation of the Ukrainian State, for which entire generations of the best sons of Ukraine have laid their heads.
        The organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, which, under the leadership of its Creator and Leader Yevgeny Konovalets, has led a stubborn struggle for freedom in the last decades of the bloody Moscow-Bolshevik enslavement, calls on the entire Ukrainian people not to lay down their arms for so long until the Sovereign Ukrainian Power has been created on all Ukrainian lands.
        Sovereign Ukrainian Authority will ensure peace and order for the Ukrainian people, the full development of all its forces and the satisfaction of all its needs.
        2. On the western lands of Ukraine, Ukrainian Authority is created, which will submit to the Ukrainian National Government, which will be created in the capital of Ukraine - Kiev.
        3. The newly created Ukrainian State will work closely with the National Socialist Greater Germany, which, under the leadership of its Leader Adolf Hitler, creates a new order in Europe and in the world and helps the Ukrainian people free themselves from the Moscow occupation.
        The Ukrainian National Revolutionary Army, which is being created on Ukrainian soil, will continue to fight together with the Allied German Army against the Moscow occupation of the Sovereign Council State and the new order around the world.
        Long live the Sovereign Council of the Ukrainian State! Long live the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, Long live the head of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists and Ukrainian people Stepan Bandera! Glory to Ukraine!

        Oh how
        together with the Allied German Army
        and nothing else.
        1. smiths xnumx
          smiths xnumx 6 September 2013 20: 33
          -1
          Licimer, OUN-UPA - red-black flag, SS Galicia Division - standard German. No "zhovto-blakitnyh". Unless you can pull the coat of arms. By the way, in the ROA Vlasov used the St. Andrew's cross and the Russian tricolor ... and how is it to lose under the "fascist symbols" - is not it a shame? And again, a fairy tale about how the Germans fought for an independent Ukraine. Ugh
          Wow, this is the flag used on April 28, 1943 in Lemberg (Lviv) at the parade celebrating the proclamation of the act on the creation of the CC Galicia rifle division.

          And here about the flag:
          During 1941-1942. the occupation administration was condescending to the use of Ukrainian symbols by local authorities and police units, although these symbols never had official status. The yellow color on the flag, as a rule, was located on top. Starting in mid-1942, bans on the use of Ukrainian symbols began to be introduced locally.
          The Ukrainian flag was also used by nationalist militias.

          http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Флаг_Украины
          The Germans' accomplices, who are now being proclaimed "Heroes of Ukraine", fought for "independent Ukraine". At the same time, by the way, can't you tell me where in Russia there are monuments to Vlasov, Vlasovites and other bastards and German bedding?
          Uh-huh, and they also drove millions of these very "enlightened" Ukain residents to work in the camps and to work in the motherland ... probably to learn from an exchange. These are ... educational attempts. what did Hitler not do for the sake of "Independence of Ukraine"! He simply could not eat, he cared so much about her.
          What are you? They took both Ukrainians and Russians and Belarusians and even the French. Only the "fighters for Ukraine" at that time fought on the German side, with German weapons, and even received Iron Crosses for this, like Shlyukhevych for punitive operations in Belarus, and at the same time put such triumphal arches to the Germans:
          Welcome banner of the OUN (b) July - beginning of September 1941 at the Glinsky gate of the castle in Zholkva, Lviv region. Text (from top to bottom) - “Glory to Hitler! Glory to Bandera! Long live the independent Ukrainian Catholic Power! Long live the Leader of Art. Bandera! Glory to Hitler! Glory to the invincible German and Ukrainian armed forces! Glory to Bandera! ”
          1. Corneli
            Corneli 6 September 2013 21: 38
            -2
            Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
            Wow, this is the flag used on April 28, 1943 in Lemberg (Lviv) at the parade celebrating the proclamation of the act on the creation of the CC Galicia rifle division.

            Wow ... 1 time at the opening appeared !!! and fought under what?
            I don’t know how to insert pictures, otherwise right now I would have admired the tricolors, the Andreev crosses and the two-headed eagle in the ROA army

            Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
            And here about the flag:

            http://whiterussia1.narod.ru/CITIZII/ROA.htm
            http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BE%D
            1%81%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%
            8F_% D0% B0% D1% 80% D0% BC% D0% B8% D1% 8F Keep a read about your heroes.
            Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
            The Germans' accomplices, who are now being proclaimed "Heroes of Ukraine", fought for "independent Ukraine". At the same time, by the way, can't you tell me where in Russia there are monuments to Vlasov, Vlasovites and other bastards and German bedding?

            They have not yet reached the monuments, but the process of "heroization" has already begun:
            "In 2001, Hieromonk Nikon (Belavenets), the head of the For Faith and Fatherland movement, petitioned the Chief Military Prosecutor's Office to review the verdict for Vlasov and his associates."
            "in 1992, the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation, examining the case of the CPSU, adopted an official decision to abolish all repressive sentences that were passed by party bodies - in the case of Vlasov, the verdict of the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court was preceded by a decision of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party on the imposition of the death sentence by the Politburo of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks, and then this death sentence was duplicated in a meeting of the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court. Historian Kirill Aleksandrov, on this basis, believes that the rehabilitation of Vlasov and his associates has already taken place "
            That's it ... By the way, the main "lobbyists" there are members of the Russian Orthodox Church!
            Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
            What are you? They drove both Ukrainians and Russians and Belarusians, and even the French drove.

            "In general, about 5 million people were taken out for forced labor from the occupied territories of the USSR, including 2,4 million people from the territory of the Ukrainian SSR, 400 thousand people from the territory of the BSSR."
            And how many were simply killed? And there is evidence that there are more than 2,4 million people, up to 5. So what did you say about the French? And love for the "education" of Ukrainians by the fascists? Or just give you Bandera?
        2. Corneli
          Corneli 6 September 2013 21: 15
          0
          Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
          No, only this "blessing" was provided to you in 1991 by the most high-ranking Russian alcoholic, along with Crimea at the same time. And all the "Ukrainian leaders" (Mazepa, Petliura, Skoropadsky, Bandera), who are glorified as heroes in Ukraine, did nothing but sell "nenka" wholesale and retail (to Swedes, Poles, Germans), and were ready to borrow any pose from the "Kama Sutra", which he (the buyer) wishes, at the buyer's request. Therefore, the entire current territory of Ukraine is one big gift ...

          Why don't we remember Belarus founded by Germany in 1918? And created in its present form in 1924? Or about Kazakhstan? Do you want to take "gifts" from them?)
          Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
          Excuse me, what relation did Prince Svyatoslav son of the Varangian (West Slavic prince, the territory of modern Germany) and Olga from Pskov have to Ukraine? And in general, then that was Ukraine? By the way, is Talerhof with Terezin also fiction?

          It is you, a Russian, who have nothing to do with the actions of the Austro-Hungarian Empire on the territory of Ukraine, the conclusions of the Ukrainians (Galich and Bukovyns) on the territory of these concentration camps (Austria, Czech Republic). And the Kiev prince has more rights to such "comparisons" ...
          Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
          But some cat-dogs Bandera, Shlyukhevych and others like him did not think so ...
          The act of proclamation of the Ukrainian State.

          I do not care about the bandera and others like them and their act. You follow your organizations and "acts":
          The Committee for the Liberation of the Peoples of Russia (KONR) is a political body created with the participation of Nazi Germany authorities to overthrow the political system existing in the USSR and uniting, at least formally, Russians and a number of national organizations operating in the territories, controlled by Nazi Germany. Actually functioned as a government in exile.
          The political platform is the “Manifesto of the Liberation Movement of the Peoples of Russia” (Prague Manifesto).
          The political governing body of the KONR was headed by A. A. Vlasov "
          Manifesto of the Committee for the Liberation of the Peoples of Russia (they are also ROA, they are also "Vlasovites"):
          "The peoples of Russia have forever lost faith in Bolshevism, in which the state is an all-consuming machine, and the people are its disenfranchised, dispossessed and indigent slave ...
          On this basis, representatives of the peoples of Russia, in full awareness of their responsibility to their peoples, to history and posterity, in order to organize a common struggle against Bolshevism created the Committee for the Liberation of the Peoples of Russia.
          The Committee for the Liberation of the Peoples of Russia aims at:
          a) The overthrow of the Stalinist tyranny, the liberation of the peoples of Russia from the Bolshevik system and the return to the peoples of Russia of the rights they won in the popular revolution of 1917;
          b) The cessation of war and the conclusion of an honorable peace with Germany; (44 year old!)
          c) Creation of a new free people's statehood without Bolsheviks and exploiters. "
          Oh how
          "Committee for the Liberation of the Peoples of Russia welcomes German assistance ... This aid is now the only real opportunity to organize an armed struggle against the Stalinist clique. "
          And no other way
          1. xan
            xan 6 September 2013 21: 35
            0
            Quote: Corneli
            You follow your organizations and "acts":

            we despise your traitors, you make Nazi accomplices heroes
            a big difference, isn't it?
            1. Corneli
              Corneli 6 September 2013 21: 44
              -1
              Quote: xan
              we despise your traitors, you make Nazi accomplices heroes
              a big difference, isn't it?

              Read 2 posts completely ... the process of "heroization of Vlasov" has already begun. Stalin is over there too - either a hero or a maniac-murderer, depending on who is in power.
              And the famous Yushchenko made the hero, his remarkable verdict was canceled by the court. Not aware of this?
            2. Cristall
              Cristall 8 September 2013 00: 15
              0
              It’s a mistake, you shouldn’t stretch the decisions of the authorities or local authorities (it’s not a secret that many of the condemned moments here are pushed either by specific Western Ukrainian politicians or by the local authorities of the same region) against all Ukrainians and it’s really not worth making people not deserving of the right to be called Ukrainians and the country Ukraine. Very annoying everyone. This is at the level of humiliation of a person, regardless of his merits.
              And my city erects monuments to the Russian empress and her favorite ... they have already received the names - "Zhidokomunyaki" from grateful Neo-Aryans of a certain party.
              Many people condemned Yushchenko’s decision - it’s not a secret why he tried so hard that his rating was reset to zero. This says a lot that the people did not approve of him.
          2. smiths xnumx
            smiths xnumx 6 September 2013 22: 00
            0
            Why don't we remember Belarus founded by Germany in 1918? And created in its present form in 1924? Or about Kazakhstan? Do you want to take "gifts" from them?)
            It's bad you were taught at school. Finally, Belarus in its current form was formed in 1945, as well as Ukraine (Transcarpathia). Moreover, we have normal relations with Belarus and Kazakhstan, both a military alliance (CSTO) and an economic one (CU), and with Belarus it is generally de jure a "single state", why not "de facto" is already a question of politics and ambitions and conceit of politicians (Putin, Medvedev, Lukashenko). The same Belarus does not aspire to the EU, does not conduct military exercises in NATO and does not aspire there, as Ukraine under Yushchenko.
            It is you, a Russian, who have nothing to do with the actions of the Austro-Hungarian Empire on the territory of Ukraine, the conclusions of the Ukrainians (Galich and Bukovyns) on the territory of these concentration camps (Austria, Czech Republic). And the Kiev prince has more rights to such "comparisons" ...
            And what does Russia have to do with the territory annexed to the USSR, only in September 1939, and which, in 1920, another Ukrainian "independent hetman" Petliura presented to Poland, and the Soviets Rossi, weakened by the Civil War, did not have enough strength to recapture it.
            On April 21, 1920, after the fall of the Western Ukrainian People’s Republic, Simon Petlyura, on behalf of the UPR, concluded an agreement with Poland on a joint campaign against Kiev, in order to expel Soviet troops. In exchange for support, the UPR agreed to establish a border between Poland and Ukraine along the Zbruch River, thereby recognizing the incorporation of Galicia and Volhynia into Poland.

            http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Петлюра,_Симон_Васильевич

            Prince of Kiev, I already wrote about Svyatoslav's pedigree above, especially since his father Rurik sailed to NOVGOROD in 862, and his father Igor, together with his uncle Oleg, sailed from NOVGOROD and captured Kiev, where the "Varangians" ruled (according to the chronicle of Nestor) Askold and Dir.
            I do not care about the bandera and others like them and their act. You follow your organizations and "acts":
            Well, I am pleased to hear such speeches from you. Nevertheless, tell me where in Russia there are monuments to the Vlasovites and other creatures (the example of a stupid person who erected a monument to the German litter to Ataman Krasnov in his garden does not count, there are constantly courts and the prosecutor's office issued a bunch of protests, as you know there are enough fools everywhere) ... And the tombstone "To the White Generals and Cossack Atamans", with the names of Krasnov, Shkuro, German General Helmut von Pannwitz, currently looks like this:

            However, as you can see from my personal profile from Nizhny Novgorod, I am in some way a fellow countryman of Vlasov. So, when his relative, in order to earn some money, decided to open the Vlasov museum, local guys "Afghans" and "Chechens" came to her and politely explained how brightly this so-called. museum at night and what will happen to its inhabitants. But in Ukraine, especially in western Ukraine, there are a lot of monuments to the same Bandera, Shlyukhevych and other monsters, and the Svolota party is sitting in the Rada, openly calling them heroes, although not only them, but also the most real SS men from the Galicia division.
  33. Alekseev
    Alekseev 6 September 2013 12: 56
    0
    It is interesting, because through cable, satellite TV in Ukraine, not only Ukrainian, but also other television channels, including Russian, are available, not to mention the Internet.
    So there is no monopoly in the information space. Who wants to, he can not substitute his head for brainwashing.
    Unless, of course, she is not only to eat (and drink!) wink
    But, nevertheless, many and many do not care. They think that some regionals or nationals will lead them on the true path, like Moses the people of Israel ...
    1. cooper
      cooper 7 September 2013 12: 06
      0
      It’s tovarischi who live in parallel Ukraine, and travel to parallel Ukraine, I have four Russian channels in my standard package. This is a regular package, more than half of the programs are in Russian. Yes, and most of the politicians are calm with some neglect.
  34. Sega
    Sega 6 September 2013 13: 01
    +2
    Quote: DmitryMSK
    The soul hurts for Ukraine, it’s a pity to watch how they are going to step on the same rake as the countries of Eastern Europe sad Before, Ukrainian relatives fed us, now we send them money. I asked Bati how is it in the Kirovograd region? (He was there this summer) He answered in one word, ass

    My mother lives in (in) Ukraine. Three years ago, she had enough pension to live at least somehow, now I took all the expenses for her provision, because not enough money. Understand correctly that the peoples of Ukraine and Russia are related by KIND. You will find few families that this FUCKED border of Ukraine and Russia would not share. People!!! Come to your senses !!! First of all, you renounce not Russia, but blood relatives. Whatever relatives would be bad - they are native !!!
  35. artem772
    artem772 6 September 2013 13: 09
    -2
    laughing The option of campaigning against the EU:
    “Vasya, do you understand what will happen if you buy this damn membership card to this stinky sports club?” All. Kapets. You are not our friend now. Do you understand? You and I will not thump, Vasya. Never again. Does it even reach you? Not in the morning, nor in the afternoon, nor in the evening ... nor at night. Never! There will be no more for us our warm and sincere company, where we all could relax relaxed, have a heart-to-heart chat, have a drink, laugh and wallow wherever you want. Freedom and our friendship for you, Vasya .... is over.
    Hard times await you now. Exercise machines, discipline, physical activity and a trainer are a beast. As a result, you will get a heart attack premature from mental anguish and fit for life! You have no health what to do in sports !! Look at you! Bruises under the eyes and hands are shaking! Where do you exercise? You will die! And mind you, we won’t come to your aid, as in the good old days with a cold bottle of vodka and toffee. Nobody needs you now. And all the money will be pulled from you. Previously, with this money you could swell a month and get a lot of pleasure and positive, and now? Breaking life for simulators? You, Vasya -.
    Come round, Vasya!
    1. Sour
      Sour 6 September 2013 13: 33
      +2
      Come on, Vasya, a wider step, in a westerly direction. Leaving go. So everyone will be better. You will immediately become different as you join the EU. You’ll even stop thumping. More drunken nation than yours, not met on the globe. Although I live on it for a long time, and traveled around the world. Even the Poles (lovers of wallowing under the fence, at least in Russia, at least at home) rest against your background. And even Czechs (who have the whole country at the bar in the evenings) thump no more than yours. But you will be different. laughing
    2. Setrac
      Setrac 6 September 2013 15: 24
      +3
      Quote: artem772
      - Vasya, you understand what will happen if you buy this damn membership card to this stinky sports club

      You flatter yourself, no EU is a sports club, Vasya, you are joining a beautiful European club.
      Quote: artem772
      Hard times await you now. Exercise machines, discipline, physical activity and a trainer are a beast.

      Waiting for a knee-elbow pose and foreign organs in the oral cavity.

      Come to your senses.
  36. Sour
    Sour 6 September 2013 13: 20
    +4
    Quote: seasoned
    I think Ukraine is behaving more honestly, maybe it is our Russian actions that make them "shy away" from us? Recently, from the side of the Russian leadership there is only a "stick", and "carrots" are generously poured out by our leaders to others ... IMHO

    Russia also used "gingerbread", cheap energy sources. But after Maidan-2004 and all the filth that Ukraine tried to pour out on Russia, the "carrot" became not very appropriate. Personally, I myself, as a citizen and a voter, would not have understood and supported the Russian leadership, if after this entire campaign (and no one there opposed it) had not given up the "carrot" in relation to Ukraine. In the end, we must also have some kind of national pride, not only Ukrainians. They throw poop at us, blame us for all the problems, and we give them cheap gas? Not too much?
    "Gingerbread" shouldn't be endless either. Moreover, no one will appreciate it. They will appreciate it as a manifestation of weakness, they will also laugh.
    I don't remember who, but someone said: "Russophobia shouldn't be a free pleasure." I cannot disagree.
    I emphasize that none of the Ukrainian politicians opposed anti-Russian hysteria in those years. There were those who did not actively support her. But no one spoke out.
    You are here proposing to take the place of the Ukrainians. I'm not against. I also invite them to take the place of the Russians. No one is to blame for the growth of anti-Ukrainian sentiment in Russia, except for the Ukrainians. Nobody. I know that in Russia the majority supported the tightening of policy towards Ukraine. And this is only thanks to the Maidan-2004. I remember very well the reaction of the common Russian people to the "Maidan" propaganda. It is the people, not officials and oligarchs. All in one voice said: "Yes, they would go to ..., these brothers are Slavs."
    1. xan
      xan 6 September 2013 21: 43
      0
      Sour, thanks
      Experienced read 50 times
      1. experienced
        experienced 6 September 2013 21: 46
        0
        Quote: xan
        Experienced read 50 times

        Ksenia, don’t say what I need to do and I won’t tell you where you need to go laughing Beat and rape women, feel like a real macho wassat
        I was touched, I appreciated everything so far "streamline" and enjoy negative I don’t already know such people on this site how many I saw, funny and no more laughing Then they cry and turn to the admin ...
        I trampled your tail, faced with a girl? Why is it molesting? Well, that’s it, the points were set and the ships went apart like in the sea ... Only on my ship are anti-ship missiles, and on your machine gun laughing
        Good luck in battle hi
        1. xan
          xan 6 September 2013 21: 55
          -1
          experienced, but what did you dissolve the snot? Offended?
          give a handkerchief?
          1. experienced
            experienced 6 September 2013 22: 01
            0
            Quote: xan
            experienced, but what did you dissolve the snot? Offended?
            give a handkerchief?

            Leave it to yourself wink Here and not so "flattened", broke off ... How did I trample the Faberge for you? Well, isn't it one (root) wassat
            I’m just taught to distinguish opponents from enemies, but I don’t spare enemies hi However, good luck wassat
            I noticed a tendency to breed 50% of the sequestration, and so, it doesn’t shine for you: Every comment is a challenge for you and I can justify it ... laughing
            Continue to produce comments and good luck in growth winked
            1. xan
              xan 6 September 2013 22: 29
              0
              Quote: seasoned
              Leave it to yourself, it will come in handy wink I was "flattened" here and not so, broke off ... How did I trample on Faberge for you? Well, isn't it one (root)

              Calm down, experienced, not you trampled on me, but I to you, and where - I know.
              Quote: seasoned
              Continue to produce comments and good luck in growth

              And why do I need growth? I'm not proud, I have everything and so.
              1. experienced
                experienced 6 September 2013 22: 42
                -2
                Quote: xan
                Calm down, experienced, not you trampled on me, but I to you, and where - I know.

                Bugaga, everyone who "trampled on" me in the form of skins on the wall hang ... So that the mouse tramples the dinosaur wassat
                Quote: xan
                And why do I need growth? I'm not proud, I have everything and so.

                hi cockroaches, you don’t want to be called, it means a cockroach, the light was turned on and there is none ... wassat
                1. xan
                  xan 7 September 2013 01: 18
                  +2
                  Quote: seasoned
                  Bugaga, everyone who "trampled on" me in the form of skins on the wall hang ... So that the mouse tramples the dinosaur

                  Seasoned, funny you, yourself called a dinosaur
                  finish the scribble, it only hurts you
                  I won’t answer anymore, just for humane reasons, and fearing for your tower
  37. Grif
    Grif 6 September 2013 13: 24
    0
    Someday, the death penalty will be deportation to Europe.
  38. naguss
    naguss 6 September 2013 13: 27
    +2
    I was born in Ukraine, I graduated from a military school in Ukraine, and my entire service took place in the Russian Federation. By coincidence of family circumstances, he returned to Ukraine. I am an active opponent of the terry nationalism cultivated by certain political circles in Ukraine. I believe that bilingualism is a vital necessity for Ukraine. I do not recognize such a concept as "titular nation". But at the same time, he did not vote for Yanukovych, this type himself causes a gag reflex in me, I do not know why the political elites of the Russian Federation believed his muttering, he is an obvious double-dealer, etc., etc. But at the same time, the fact that this hour is happening in the Russian Federation does not cause much joy. Take for example the crazy Internet censorship company. And much more. This is how the people of Ukraine are in a state of confusion. On the one hand, they are pulling to Europe with cries of freedom, the rule of law and other sweet promises. On the other hand, Russia is close in spirit and mentality to the majority of Ukrainians (not counting the Western nationalists, since these are by definition not Ukrainians at all, and the residents of the central regions who fell under their influence), but there is complete legal chaos, corruption, venality of all branches of government with which we are fed in their Ukraine, again the dominance of censorship. This is what Yanukovych and K. are playing on. What I didn’t like in the article was that all Ukrainians were sheared with the same brush. Do not forget there are a lot of people in Ukraine who sympathize with Russia and Belarus and want to be together with these countries.
    1. Grbear
      Grbear 6 September 2013 13: 54
      0
      Respected nagussYou know about "their" freedom from their words. But the facts tell a different story.
      Corruption - it is everywhere (read about the Pentagon's spending, the rise in the price of the Raptor, etc.) and it is not a fact that ours is "cooler".
      The legal order is being implemented locally, and no Europe will help, and rebuilding your monastery under someone else’s charter is more than ...
      I’m not talking about the press at all. It serves the interests of the ruling everywhere. Allowed - where more, where less, but it is RESOLVED.
      The Internet has long been a weapon, and it needs to be controlled. Whoever does not understand, let him look at Turkey, Libya, and the West.

      But the enemies we have are the same - our bureaucrats and politicians with a commercial bias and persecutors of the family and the church. The rest, in alliance, are within our power.
    2. xan
      xan 6 September 2013 21: 52
      -2
      Quote: Neguss
      Russia, but there is complete legal chaos, corruption, corruption of all branches of government that we are fed up with in our Ukraine, again, the dominance of censorship.

      what nonsense, you take the noodles off your ears
      the venality of all branches of government - that was three years ago and now - two big differences. Slowly, but we go where we need to, a lot more to go.
      Western uncles came to us in the 90s and did everything right. From the memories still sick.
      1. experienced
        experienced 6 September 2013 22: 06
        0
        Quote: xan
        what nonsense, you take the noodles off your ears

        To communicate with members of the forum on "ty" you need to know them at least! And you think that if you are a brutal who beats women, then everyone is talking to you ... It's unpleasant to communicate with you, as d..o saw request
        1. Kars
          Kars 6 September 2013 22: 12
          +1
          Quote: seasoned
          It’s unpleasant to communicate with you, like d..o saw

          I was one of the first to bring this clown to emergency situations. After it, it’s kind of hard for my soul to become one ethnic group. At least, he can come from Central Asia.
          So a waste of time.
          Like these little articles.
          1. experienced
            experienced 6 September 2013 22: 20
            +1
            Quote: Kars
            I was one of the first to bring this clown to emergency

            Hi Andrey hi I didn’t put anyone in the emergency, I can fight in the face until I’m tired, I understand you, I saw the comment branches, it’s not just what to put in the emergency, I had to run myself wassat
            Agree that there is no discussion and everything is already defined:
            - Russia is right, because it cannot be wrong;
            - Ukraine is guilty by definition;
            - We are with them with all their hearts, and they are squeezing NATO;
            - NATO ships in Russian ports are an exchange of experience;
            - NATO ships in the ports of Ukraine are a betrayal of the Slavic brotherhood ...
            etc.
            1. Kars
              Kars 6 September 2013 22: 26
              +2
              Quote: seasoned
              Agree that there is no discussion and everything is already defined:

              I don’t know the setup of the show of Sava Shustry (Savik Shuster on Inter) now I watch football by the way. There was a vote --- respondents in the professor’s studio (I honestly missed a bit, maybe not all professors), so there was 100% for the EU against the CU
              1. Corneli
                Corneli 7 September 2013 00: 48
                +1
                Quote: Kars
                I don’t know the setup of the show of Sava Shustry (Savik Shuster on Inter) now I watch football by the way. There was a vote --- respondents in the professor’s studio (I honestly missed a bit, maybe not all professors), so there was 100% for the EU against the CU

                Well, Schuster is still pepper, but there are, let's say, other facts that are far from positive:
                "In August 2013, 42% of Ukrainians assessed Ukrainian-Russian relations as generally tense and bad, whereas in April of this year only 20% of respondents gave such an assessment. At the same time, only 14% of Ukrainians called good, good-neighborly relations with Russia in August. (in April there were 42% of them.) 40% of the respondents consider them to be as good as they are bad — 5% more than in the spring. 4% found it difficult to answer.
                The number of Ukrainians who perceive Russia as a fraternal country (a decrease of 10% to 22%) and a friendly state (a decrease of 8% to 16%) significantly decreased in August compared with April. The number of Ukrainians who see Russia as just a neighbor (an increase of 11% to 28%) and a competitor (by 5% to 10%) has increased.
                Unreasonable actions of the Russian Federation to block the import of Ukrainian goods are considered by 46% of Ukrainians, 15% of respondents adhere to the opposite point of view.
                Most Ukrainians (75%) agree that the causes of the Ukrainian-Russian trade war are more political than economic. 9% of respondents do not agree with this, 16% found it difficult to answer.
                The collection of information is carried out by personal interviews in 24 regions of Ukraine, Crimea, the cities of Kiev and Sevastopol. The respondents are selected on the basis of a quota sample representing the adult population of the country by place of residence, gender and age. The current study was conducted between 20-31 August 2013. The sample size was 2079 people. The expected average sampling error is + -2,2%. "
                These are the mood swings in a couple of months
  39. Sour
    Sour 6 September 2013 13: 41
    +2
    Quote: Neguss
    again the dominance of censorship.

    So where is it? Who is censoring you here? Do not confuse reality with propaganda coming out. Every day I go to work, turn on the receiver, and on all channels except one or two, they scold Putin and the government, the State Duma and the governors. Moreover, many channels are financed (this is known) either from the budget or by state corporations, which is the same thing. There are also TV channels, such as "rain" and RBK, where not a single good word will be said about the government. Your fascist TV tells you tales about censorship and the lack of freedom in Russia, and you just hung up your ears. Well, how can you not believe "Channel 5" or "Inter"? Rather, I won't believe my best friend ...
  40. Sour
    Sour 6 September 2013 14: 00
    0
    Quote: GrBear
    I’m not talking about the press at all. It serves the interests of the ruling everywhere.

    The press serves the interests of those to whom it belongs. They are not always "ruling", they are often those who want to become "ruling".
  41. Stock captain
    Stock captain 6 September 2013 14: 25
    +1
    A lot of noise, but because of what it is not clear. Why are the majority of authors sure that the citizens of Ukraine for the most part sleep and see themselves in Europe? There is no need to be carried out on the propaganda of new "truthful" results of the latest polls. Yanyk and his gang are afraid to bring the issue of euro integration to a referendum, because they know the real opinion of the majority of the population. All the media hype is a clumsy attempt to justify heading west. The upcoming elections will put everything in its place, the Yanyk has lost his main voter, Ukraine's course is the same - the TS.
    1. Sour
      Sour 6 September 2013 14: 33
      0
      Well then, why don't you like the referendum so much? Svidomity like for democracy, for freedom, but against a referendum. The problem turns out ...
      So they would hold a referendum, and then broadcast on behalf of the people. Personally, any result of the referendum will suit me, if only it were. At least there will be a substantive conversation.
  42. nnz226
    nnz226 6 September 2013 14: 27
    +1
    That's about the idiots - Ukrainian students, rightly noted! I wonder where are those degenerates who "starved" in 1991, demanding independence, and squealing how Nenka will flourish in the enta itself. Well, we already have RUIN # 2. Again, remember the banderalogists who knocked on barrels on the Maidan in 2004. They knocked on, pulled a poor Yushchenko on the Prize's toilet seat (and it was not villagers from remote Zapadensky villages that knocked, but supposedly educated young people) and that, after five years, the entot pulled out of the toilet seat like manure from a shovel. And these starving people and those knocking on the barrels will constitute the educated stratum and the elite of the Square ?! Then I do not envy this independent territory (the hand does not rise to name it) ...
  43. zennon
    zennon 6 September 2013 14: 38
    0
    In Ukraine, there are no politicians or political forces who were not involved in the matter of bringing the country to its current state - Ruins.
    Even a blind Ukrainian visitor can see that Ukraine is not just going the wrong way, but flying at full steam into the abyss.

    Listen, I have not been in Ukraine since 1986. Yes, and I was there for several days on a business trip. I don’t know anything. And my question is: is it really so bad there? Is there really a big difference? Are the authors embellishing? Every day we see articles on the forum about Ukraine, and every time about the sad state of the economy. The day does not pass! Maybe one of the members of the forum knows by hearsay REAL What are the things? Thanks.
    1. Corneli
      Corneli 6 September 2013 19: 30
      +1
      Quote: zennon
      Listen, I have not been in Ukraine since 1986. Yes, and I was there for several days on a business trip. I don’t know anything. And my question is: is it really so bad there? Is there really a serious difference? Are the authors embellishing? Every day we see articles on the forum about Ukraine, and each time about the sad state of the economy. The day does not pass! Can any of the members of the forum who know not by hearsay describe REAL things? Thanks.

      In general, the population is not much difference between Russia and Ukraine. The same cars, the same ones, iPhones, the same clothes and eat similar food) Acquaintances who regularly ride to Russia noted perhaps the luxury of Moscow City, and about the same thing. But the economy is really a disaster, here all production is strongly tied to Russia both in export-import and in energy prices. Before the crisis, there was still development, there was a demand for products ... After 2008, inquiries in the world have become simpler, our oligarchs are stupid and do not develop what can be developed (the same agricultural sector), and they expect that gas will become cheaper and metal and chemistry will again begin to be sold (otherwise it is expensive and uncompetitively capable). By and large, it looks like Russia, the current scale is simpler. Of the differences: a hunger strike for energy resources (and problems associated with this), a pro-European development vector (no one believes in the revival of the USSR and there are no imperial ambitions), there is no revival of the military-industrial complex. Something like this.
  44. Sour
    Sour 6 September 2013 14: 39
    0
    Quote: nnz226
    and it was not the villagers from the deaf Western villages that knocked, but supposedly educated young people

    By the way, yes. Absolutely right.
    And the villagers from Western villages in Russia are now full. Someone at a construction site, some in tire fitting, some where else. I personally know one who works on a minibus. It will be necessary to ask him on occasion why he did not go to work in Europe?
  45. Fedych
    Fedych 6 September 2013 14: 44
    -2
    I think that because Ukrainians are self-conscious and understanding so far, they cannot, until a certain time and experience, take upon themselves and into themselves that inner experience of spiritual listening to themselves and reporting to the Lord for this, as the Great Russians managed to do. The Great Russians had hundreds of years of monastic austerity and temptation with the outside world and its government promises and opportunities, and the internal ones are the result of which there is an extreme trust in oneself, one’s thoughts and thoughts, which can be defiled by the spirits of evil, corruption, hatred, envy and others and others. The Ukrainian spirit in their language, logic, cultural and religious experience in this language context did not have all this. So it is today. They are not able to understand Great Russian thought, experience, practice, goals and tasks of both the state and the personality in it (and all this is in relation to the inseparable from the Lord and His care of us, and as personal to Him, and as citizens of this people before Him, with all his personal individual and responsibility and characterization, I think so!
  46. Sour
    Sour 6 September 2013 14: 45
    +2
    Quote: zennon
    REAL things

    The real state of things is such that I personally do not know a single Russian who left to work in Ukraine. Yes, and for permanent residence, too. But I know a lot of reverse examples. This is despite the fact that I live in the provinces, and in the capital, they say, even more. This most clearly explains the REAL state of things. Everything else is verbal fornication, no more.
    1. xan
      xan 6 September 2013 22: 01
      0
      Quote: Sour
      This most clearly explains the REAL state of things. Everything else is verbal fornication, no more.

      totally agree
      the difference in living standards is visible to the naked eye
    2. zennon
      zennon 6 September 2013 22: 13
      0
      This most clearly explains the REAL state of things.

      I meant a little differently. Well, "guard", "nightmare", "everything is gone, the plaster is being removed" is, if not hysterical, then not the prescriptive torment of "Klava". Facts would be, tsifir. Let's say the decline in GDP for the reporting period. The balance of imports and exports with the dynamics of these indicators for five years. The exchange rate of the national currency to $, again by year. The situation in the basic industries - mechanical engineering, metal / rolling, chemical fertilization. The dynamics of population decline is absolute and for permanent residence over the hill. I understand, I ask a lot, but otherwise everything is just emotions ...
  47. tegezen
    tegezen 6 September 2013 14: 59
    +7
    Ukrainian Russophobia was not born yesterday. Residents of the more prosperous outskirts of the USSR looked down on the semi-poor Russians, the inhabitants of the non-chernozem region, and all the Urals and Siberia there. They believed that they were prosperous, because they were shikkoumny and capable, unlike the ever-drunken fools of mermaids. Right now they can’t forgive the Rusak that they live better. Envy crushes. Pride does not allow to admit the truth and return.
    1. xan
      xan 6 September 2013 22: 08
      +2
      Quote: tegezen
      Envy crushes. Pride does not allow to admit the truth and return.

      there is something to think about
      in one I agree, the reasons for Ukrainian Russophobia lie deeper, it is far from political and economic.
      It may also be that they used to live in a country that everyone reckoned with. And now they live in a country, to put it mildly. And the Russians continue to live in a country that cannot be ignored.
      hence another discord
  48. Druid
    Druid 6 September 2013 15: 11
    +2
    "Why does Ukraine choose Eurosodom, not Holy Russia"
    Because there they break off a piece of star, against the backdrop of a bunch of homosexuals (if you believe the forum users), and here they’re striving to fuck lol
  49. chenia
    chenia 6 September 2013 15: 37
    +1
    Quote: Grif
    I don't remember who, but someone said: "Russophobia shouldn't be a free pleasure." I cannot disagree.
    I emphasize that none of the Ukrainian politicians opposed anti-Russian hysteria in those years. There were those who did not actively support her. But no one spoke out.


    I agree, but it was impossible to arrange KIDALOVO. It was impossible to use compromising evidence on the thief prime minister in a contractual relationship.

    You simply do not know how effectively opponents of our integration use this treaty and trade wars. Played to the point that anti-Russian sentiments have already appeared in CRIMEA.

    Mutually beneficial and equitable economic cooperation should be developed, and expanded, especially in the military sphere. DEVELOP, not declare intentions for cooperation

    And one moment. In Russia, there are two types of people opposed to the creation of a new united power.

    The first is the liberals (but they have already discredited themselves) who have achieved that the Moscow Military District has become cross-border.

    The second are super-patriots who will achieve that the MBO will become border with NATO.
    1. xan
      xan 6 September 2013 22: 17
      0
      Quote: chenia
      The second are super-patriots who will achieve that the MBO will become border with NATO.

      enough of these cries already. you were removed from contentment, behave as independent, as an adult
      Nishtyakov for non-entry into NATO will not, we have it so stands under Peter.
      Do not offer your orientation for very specific nishtyaki
      I am glad that Russia has already fallen ill with this
  50. Ivan_Ivanov
    Ivan_Ivanov 6 September 2013 16: 05
    +2
    In Ukraine, every year, every month, the economic situation is getting worse; household incomes are falling, unemployment is rising ...

    Anyone who thinks about it will understand that the reason is in our policies, which are tightly controlled by the West, in our political, legislative, financial, and in general administrative system in the state, created by Western "advisers" and Western grants. And what is there to bend our souls, we are to blame ourselves, our minority, our character.

    But our reality is so absurd, the media propaganda machine works so well, so powerful that the worse it gets, the more people blame Russia for it.
    1. xan
      xan 6 September 2013 22: 20
      0
      Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
      But our reality is so absurd, the media propaganda machine works so well, so powerful that the worse it gets, the more people blame Russia for it.

      Vanya Ivanov, all nonsense
      But when the standard of living becomes very different, and everything goes to this - then normal campaigning will not be necessary.