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American Moloch. What will result in a blow to Russia for Syria

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American Moloch. What will result in a blow to Russia for Syria

The US Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs has prepared a draft resolution supporting the US military operation in Syria. The document, which will be voted on at the beginning of the next week, states that the duration of this operation should be limited to 60 days with the possibility of extension for a month. Almost the same period was allotted in 1999 for the war in Yugoslavia. The participation of US forces in NATO operations was codenamed “Noble Anvil”.


In total, the Yugoslav industrial facilities and social infrastructure of the 639 aircraft carried out an 1991 airstrike. The most tangible consequences caused strikes against the industrial complex in Pancevo: the nitrogen plant, the oil refinery and the petrochemical complex. Toxic chemicals and compounds got into the atmosphere, water and soil, which created a threat to human health and ecological systems throughout the Balkans. At the time of the bombing, there were significant quantities of chemical products in the tanks of the petrochemical plant. As a result of hostilities, poisoning of the air by poisonous fumes from burning oil plants occurred. The Danube and the rest of the rivers were poisoned with oil from the blasted tanks, Skadar and other lakes were polluted, and the Adriatic Sea. Bomb attacks on chemical plants became a precedent in stories.

The Minister of Health of the Republic of Serbia, Leposawa Milicevic, said then: “Even Adolf Hitler did not bomb our chemical plants! NATO does this calmly, destroying rivers, poisoning the air, killing people, the country. Our people are being subjected to a brutal experiment using the latest weapons».

NATO troops acted in Yugoslavia without UN approval. Americans also do not have the appropriate sanctions for military operations in Syria. The whole world hoped that such a tragedy would not happen again. Alas, today the main American “hawk”, Republican Senator John McCain, representing the opinion of a certain part of American society (19% of Americans favored the beginning of hostilities), believes that a limited military operation in Syria is not enough to change the situation. He proposes to destroy the military infrastructure of the Syrian government forces. In other words, destroy the country until the last stone. “If Congress rejected such a resolution after the president of the United States had already expressed his willingness to act, the consequences would have been disastrous,” said McCain after meeting with the president at the White House. By catastrophe, the “people's choice” means the loss of America’s image ...

McCain is worried completely in vain. In the foreseeable future, no one claims the role of America as a global gendarme, and there is no attempt on the image of a total “democratizer”. Understanding this perfectly well, US Secretary of State John Kerry explained to the Commander of the Syrian Free Army (FSA) Salim Idris Washington’s plans to conduct a military operation against the government of Bashar Assad in an accessible telephone conversation. (Well, not with the legally elected president of the country B. Assad to negotiate, really?) Kerry expressed confidence that the US military operation would force Syrian President Bashar Assad to accept responsibility for the use of chemical weapons and reduce the likelihood of its use by the Syrian authorities in future.

The commander of the SSA (and it would be correct to say the leader of the gang) supported the “decision of US President Barack Obama to appeal” to members of Congress with a request to consider a draft resolution authorizing strikes against the positions of the Syrian regime. In other words, approved the actions of the United States, gave, so to speak, the go-ahead. “We understand the decision-making mechanism in democratic countries and are aware that with the support of lawmakers this step will be more effective. We hope that other friendly countries will join the campaign against the regime, ”he said.

As we see, the two “democrats” will always find a common language. The conversation took place in a warm and trusting atmosphere, where the words about the Syrian terrorist’s understanding of the mechanism of “decision-making in democratic countries” are especially appealing. Although, from the point of view of normal human logic, the action of this “mechanism” is impossible to understand: thousands of human lives are put at risk. American Moloch demands new victims.

The civil war in Syria between the authorities and the so-called. the opposition has been going on since March 2011.

According to the UN, more than 110 thousand people have already died, including about 7 thousand children. According to the Human Rights Observatory in Syria, which refers to oppositionists and doctors, in particular, more than 40 thousand civilians were killed, about 21,8 thousand rebels and more than 45 thousand militias and supporters of Damascus.

The country turned into ruins. Recently, the United Nations has published data on the number of refugees from Syria. It turned out that five thousand people left the republic every day. And during the civil war, more than 2 million Syrians were forced to leave the country. At the same time over the past six months, the number of refugees has doubled. “If the situation does not stabilize, the number of refugees will only continue to grow,” quoted UN High Commissioner for Refugees Antonio Guterres quoting Reuters. (According to the United Nations Population Fund, the total population of Syria in 2011 was 20,8 million.)

In addition, the ongoing drought from 2006, which has no analogues in the modern history of Syria, led to unprecedented internal migration: about 1,5 million people (approximately 8% of the country's population) engaged in agriculture were forced by whole families to move from the north-east agricultural region in the city in the south. About 90% of barley harvest died, prices for animal feed have doubled. As a result, small herders in the northeast lost about 70% of the herd population, and many of them were forced to migrate.

According to the UN, in Syria, about 25% of the total livestock population died during the drought period. 1,3-1,4 million Syrians can not engage in farming in the usual conditions and are not able to feed their families. But the population suffers terrible deprivations not only because of the long dry weather, but also, first of all, in connection with the military conflict. The UN Assistance Service has sent hundreds of thousands of Syrians humanitarian aid in the form of food, but is unable to help those in need. (By the way, some analysts believe that Israel is holding the Golan Heights, seized from Syria in 1967, because of its own problems with drinking water, creating similar problems in the neighboring country.)

Today in Syria there are 6,5 million internally displaced persons. Such mass migration contributed to the impoverishment of the population and, as a result, increased instability in the country. In fact, Syria is on the verge of a humanitarian catastrophe.
And world experience also shows that it is very difficult to return people to their regions after the end of armed conflicts. In Iraq, for example, despite a significant decrease in violence, about 2 million people still cannot return to their homes.

At the same time, as reported by Reuters, the next meeting of the “group of friends of Syria” is scheduled for September at 8 in Rome (a vacancy meeting before the meeting of the US Congress on Syria is an amazing coincidence!). Recall, by the way, that this informal association of states is the only legal representative of the Syrian people recognized by the opposition Syrian National Council. The previous president of France, Sarkozy, worked well at the time of creating this union. 24 was held on February 2012 in February. The Syrian group of friends includes the League of Arab States and three members of the UN Security Council - the United Kingdom, the United States and France , a number of other states.

At the end of June this year. The "friends" have already agreed to provide all necessary military support to the Syrian "opposition" (al-Qaeda?). According to the Prime Minister of Qatar, Hamad bin Jassem Al Thani, the heads of the foreign affairs agencies of the United States, Turkey, Britain, Italy, France, Germany, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Jordan and Egypt have made specific decisions, which, however, are kept secret. However, the experts regarded his statement just as a concrete step towards arming the rebels. At the same time, the Prime Minister of Qatar voiced the idea, which is being declared today by US President B. Obama, the same Republican Senator McCain and other supporters (adherents) solely of force to resolve the Syrian crisis.

“The use of force is necessary to restore justice. Arms shipments and their use may be the only way to achieve peace, especially in the case of Syria, ”said Al-Thani.

Saudi Arabia is in the same positions as Qatar. At a recent meeting of the Arab League (LAS) in Cairo, Saudi foreign minister Saud al-Faisal called the "rebels" "legitimate representatives of the Syrian people" and called on Arab states to support the Syrian opposition’s calls for military intervention in Syria. He stated that the international community must intervene to end the "massacre." And when today certain political scientists say that the US Congress will certainly support Barack Obama’s decision to attack Syria, their confidence has a solid basis, which can not be explained by the struggle for world peace. Saudi Arabia and Qatar are investing so serious money in the US military-industrial complex that they can lobby for a solution that is advantageous for them: to begin an intervention. The war, as we know, requires an additional amount of armaments and ammunition, sheikhs, therefore, can count on substantial profits. (The cost of only one tomahawk cruise missile in 2011 was about 1,5 million dollars) This would be money and for restoring hungry Syria, fighting drought!

It should be noted that Syria is indeed one of the six countries that have not signed the Convention on the Prohibition of the Production and Use of Chemical Weapons. In addition to Syria, Angola, North Korea, South Sudan, Egypt and Somalia are on the list of refusals to ratify the Convention. At the same time, 13 countries of the world declared the presence of chemical weapons production plants, including those in the region of interest, Iran, Iraq, Libya. And only three states, from 188, which have ratified the Convention, have already destroyed their chemical stocks, including Albania and India, the third country for some reason is not called anywhere. Russia and the United States are completing the disposal of toxic substances.

In Syria, the presence of factories for the production of chemical weapons has not been established. However, at the congressional hearing, General Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said that Russia could increase Syria’s military assistance in the event of a US strike. "We have certain evidence that they (the Russian authorities) promised the Assad regime to replace in Syria what we destroy," the general said.

The Syrian government could also resolve the issue by military means — it was enough to arm its supporters. But it is precisely such a decision that is unacceptable for the country's leadership, since it would lead to a “Lebanonization” of the conflict, which, in fact, the rebels are trying to achieve. The ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary of Syria in Moscow, Dr. Riyad Haddad, stressed: “As for the“ Lebanonization ”or the“ Iraqisation ”of the events in Syria, such a danger will exist if we take into account the connection with these events of the external forces conspiring. However, the development of the situation also depends on the will of the Syrian people, who rightly showed a high level of their social consciousness and a desire for national unity, unprecedented cohesion around their leadership. ” The Syrian army, we add, has demonstrated that it will be able to ensure victory with its own forces and means.

But, embarking on the "Arab Spring", the United States and its allies did not specifically target any country. Well "shook" the whole of North Africa and the Middle East. There have been coups in Tunisia, Egypt, in Yemen. The civil wars in Libya and Syria were unleashed (ongoing). Mass protests were held in Algeria, Iraq, Jordan, Morocco, Oman. The people also protested in Kuwait, Lebanon, Mauritania, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Djibouti, Western Sahara. The Yankees need this entire region completely, completely and finally. Syria remains the last bastion on the American path to this goal.

But in an exclusive interview with the French newspaper “Figaro”, Syrian President Bashar Assad warned that any military intervention by the West could lead to a “regional war”. Assad believes that the situation in the country cannot be resolved through negotiations.

“We are fighting terrorists. 80 – 90% of those we fight against belong to al-Qaeda. They are not interested in reform or in politics. The only way to fight them is to destroy them. Only then can we talk about political measures, ”he said. Assad is confident that the West should help the ruling regime, and not threaten the country and the current government. Any attack on a country will cause a backlash.

"The Middle East is a powder keg, to which the fire is approaching today," said Assad. Answering the question about how the Syrian regime will respond in the event of military intervention from outside, he noted that it is necessary to speak not only about the response of Syria, but also about what can happen after the first strike. “No one knows what will happen. All will lose control of the situation when the powder keg explodes. Chaos and extremism will spread, there is a risk of war in the whole region, ”said Assad.

At the end of last year, the British newspaper Independent reported on the "secret meeting in London" of representatives of the military leadership of Great Britain, France, Turkey, Jordan, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates and the United States, at which "plans to support the anti-Assad coalition from the air and the sea were discussed." And in Marrakesh, a meeting of "Friends of Syria" was held, dedicated to "reforming the country's political system after the overthrow of President Bashar al-Assad."

At the same time, information appeared in the European media that the military from the NATO countries had long been helping the Syrian rebels.

AFP spoke about the Spanish military, who not only trained the rebels, but also took part in the hostilities. British sources report about the French, who work with the rebels in Lebanon, the British, helping the rebels from the territory of Turkey and Jordan, and the American emissaries preparing the next deliveries of weapons from Libya.

Similar informational miscalculations and forecasts about the “inevitability of military intervention” have happened before. The question is: what is their purpose today? The answer is contained in the text of the so-called. “Doha Protocol”, published on the website of the Algerian newspaper L′Expression. In the capital of Qatar, Doha, the National Syrian Coalition (NSC) was recognized as the legitimate representative of the people of Syria by a number of European countries, Turkey and the Persian Gulf states. (Before the meeting in Marrakesh, the USA also joined this list.) Information that during the Doha meeting, in addition to the establishment of the NSC, a certain “secret protocol” was signed, appeared in the Middle Eastern media before. The Lebanese newspaper Al-Ahbar and the Syrian news agency SANA reported on this with reference to a member of the general secretariat of the Kuwaiti party Al-Umma Faisal Al-Hamad. Two months after the signing, a document fixing the obligations of the leaders of the Syrian opposition to its sponsors became available to the public. The purpose of the attack on Syria is its liquidation as a sovereign state and a significant change in the entire balance of forces in the region.

From the document it appears that the Syrian army should be reduced to 50 thousand people. Under the leadership of the United States, Syria is obliged to dispose of all chemical and biological weapons and all its missiles. The operation must be carried out in Jordanian territory. Syria must break with Hezbollah and the Palestinian resistance movements. The new Syrian regime should be Islamic, but not Salafi. In addition, the “new Syria” should completely abandon claims for the return of the lands occupied by Turkey (Liva Iskenderun district) and transfer to Turkey several border villages in the provinces of Idleb and Aleppo. Closes the question of the Golan Heights: Syria and Israel must sign a peace agreement under the auspices of the United States and Qatar. Another gift from Turkey is the obligation to expel all members of the Kurdistan Workers' Party from Syria and hand over to Ankara those who are persecuted by the Turkish authorities. Syria is also obliged to give permission for laying a water pipeline through its territory connecting Ataturk dam in Turkey and Israel (and this is one of the main points).

Qatar and the United Arab Emirates have been promised contracts to rebuild Syria after the end of the conflict in exchange for privileges in oil and gas production in Syria and on the Mediterranean shelf off its coast. In addition, Syria is ordered to allow Qatar to run a gas pipeline through its territory to Turkey and from there to Europe.

And here are the main points of the “Doha Pact”. They annul all agreements of Syria with Russia and China in the areas of armament and exploration of oil and other natural resources, freezing all relations with Iran, Russia and China.

The "Friends of Syria" thus clearly set out their goals and even distributed dividends - between Turkey, Israel and the monarchies of the Persian Gulf. The scenario of this Syrian “division” fully corresponds to the interests of the United States in the region: the way to Iran, the Caucasus and further to Russia is open.

Syria is an exceptionally strategic bridgehead. More than anything she does not attract any "friends". Located between Turkey, Lebanon, Iraq, Israel and Jordan, Syria has allied relations with the Hezbollah and Hamas movements, for which it has been honored to be classified by Washington as the “axis of evil.” Damascus's good-neighborly ties with Tehran also matter a lot. Not always intelligible, but potentially extremely dangerous for the Washington-Tel Aviv axis, the challenge from the strategic link Tehran-Damascus has always existed. Syria’s position largely determines Lebanon’s policies and influences the balance of power in Iraq after the overthrow of Saddam Hussein. Attempts by Israel and the United States to isolate Damascus by diplomatic methods did not produce results. The Syrians established and consolidated foreign relations with Russia, China, and the states of South America.

Wars always have reasons. In the case of Syria, the reasons are exclusively geopolitical. After all, among other things, in the Syrian Tartus there is a logistics point for the Russian Navy - the only Russian base in the far abroad where Russian military ships can be based fleet in the Mediterranean Sea. If Bashar al-Assad leaves, Russia will be forced out of the Mediterranean Sea and locked up in the Black Sea basin, where it will have to deal with Romania, Bulgaria and Georgia - American “clients” with anti-Russian foreign policy.

Washington’s next step is likely to be an attempt to bring about such changes in Ukraine’s foreign policy, which will allow, in particular, to drive the Black Sea Fleet of Russia from the Crimea and plug it in Novorossiysk. After that, Russia can be deleted from the list of maritime powers retaining influence in the Western Hemisphere.

“In geostrategic terms: we may lose our presence in the Mediterranean. Then the logic may be the following: the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles will shut up for our Black Sea fleet, and we are deprived of access to the World Ocean here, and find ourselves in the Black Sea basin. Further, after Syria, there will be Iran. After the destruction of Syria, Turkey unambiguously turns towards the North Caucasus and the Black Sea basin, and begins a political and economic offensive in this direction ..., said Colonel-General Leonid Ivashov, president of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, in an interview with the Evening Moscow newspaper. - In all this action, the main goal of the West is not Syria. Syria is just an obstacle that needs to be addressed. And the goals are Russia and China. ”
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  1. alone
    alone 6 September 2013 15: 32
    14
    The essence of the article is as follows:

    if Syria (Assad) loses, the Middle East as a region will be lost to Russia. If you think deeply, Russia (except Syria) does not have more than one friendly state in the region.
    1. a52333
      a52333 6 September 2013 15: 49
      14
      Egypt began to "see clearly".
      1. alone
        alone 6 September 2013 17: 03
        +6
        Egyptian military authorities overthrew the government with the help of America. Closing the nest for warships does not solve anything. everything that hits Syria is in place.
        1. elmi
          elmi 6 September 2013 17: 19
          +7
          The US Senate Foreign Relations Committee has prepared a draft resolution supporting the US military operation in Syria. The document, which will be voted on at the beginning of next week, says that the duration of this operation should be limited to 60 days with the possibility of extension for a month.

          If the amers strike, and go according to their scenario as in past wars in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya. And of course, provided that other countries do not stand up for the country they are beating, then they will meet their deadlines. But if Iran stands up for Syria, possibly other Iraqi neighbors and other countries, then it could blaze, so maybe it will reach the 3 world. Then the whole world will see who unleashes the world wars and the senators who voted for the war in the 2-3 of the month will understand that they unleashed the 3 world with their own hands. Let's hope that there will be no world war 3, and that the war conceived by the amers will turn around expensively, in order to discourage the desire to attack countries for a long time.
          1. Current 72
            Current 72 7 September 2013 14: 21
            +3
            It is unlikely that the US senators will understand this, because this is a wolf pack that went hunting. For them, the war is native, and on human blood, they shred cabbage, that is dollars. Bastards and scum, in a word.
          2. Victor 18
            Victor 18 7 September 2013 23: 19
            0
            I think Izrail (who considers himself God's chosen community), with the help of the long arm of amers, began to test the strength of Russia, the reason is the beginning of Russia's influence in world geopolitics, and the restoration of the defense capability of the Russian Federation. This "war" can cost us a lot.
        2. a52333
          a52333 6 September 2013 17: 25
          0
          And you want to say that Egypt will not pay attention to the blow to the allied state? besides, Omar, I'm sure they guess who sponsored all these "revolutions" of theirs. This also does not improve the relationship.
          1. atalef
            atalef 7 September 2013 11: 04
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            Quote: a52333
            And you want to say that Egypt will not pay attention to the blow to the union state?

            Syria and Egypt have not been allies for a long time.
      2. Hunghuz
        Hunghuz 6 September 2013 18: 16
        12
        hi Is there life on Mars or not? But what is life like without a synagogue, without a kagala, without a lubavitch’s Chabad ........ ??? from a joke in Odessa)
      3. Siberian German
        Siberian German 7 September 2013 16: 04
        0
        don’t tell me my curls on the back - these military men have received billions of Baku rubles for several decades and you are talking about insight - the tit is painfully sweet to leave it
      4. Bigship
        Bigship 7 September 2013 20: 02
        0
        The Egyptian power is the army, and it is entirely funded from the American pocket. Therefore, we can safely write Egypt as our ill-wishers in the long run. So after Syria, only Iran will remain. And in a couple of years he will be "cured" by American "doctors."
    2. Army1
      Army1 6 September 2013 16: 03
      18
      It seems the time of diplomacy has passed
      1. Sakhalininsk
        Sakhalininsk 6 September 2013 16: 29
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        Quote: Army1
        It seems the time of diplomacy has passed

        It would be regrettable, but most likely you are right and in the near future the guns will speak. The most regrettable is that if Russia does not answer now, then all the answers will be about nothing. Syria is our ally, and we must save this country and its people from the mattress fascists and their trained Arabian-Turkish mongrels.
        1. Current 72
          Current 72 7 September 2013 14: 23
          +1
          I agree with you !!!
      2. Bezarius
        Bezarius 6 September 2013 19: 41
        0
        War is also a means of diplomacy, but the least effective ...
        1. StolzSS
          StolzSS 6 September 2013 23: 19
          +2
          It depends on how efficient it is to strike))) wink And then you can accidentally align the palace with the monarch of the bay with one rocket and immediately decrease the desire to fight with others ...
          1. vladkavkaz
            vladkavkaz 7 September 2013 00: 18
            +4
            It is interesting, if for a long time these camel lovers and donkey overlords will fight at the oil terminals and desalination of Qatar and the Saudis?
            1. atalef
              atalef 7 September 2013 11: 04
              +1
              Quote: vladkavkaz
              It is interesting, if for a long time these camel lovers and donkey overlords will fight at the oil terminals and desalination of Qatar and the Saudis?

              And who will play?
              1. Sandov
                Sandov 7 September 2013 15: 16
                0
                Yes, we will, and what is the problem. It is necessary to put these nonhumans in place.
        2. Current 72
          Current 72 7 September 2013 14: 31
          0
          And you compare war and diplomacy with boxing. A boxer spins in the ring, does not deliver significant blows, it is diplomacy, and then a sharp and accurate blow, and the opponent is on the floor, and this is also diplomacy, but already strength. We must learn not only to lisp but also deliver accurate and sharp, inevitable blows.
        3. Peaceful military
          Peaceful military 7 September 2013 15: 06
          0
          War is also a means of diplomacy, but the least effective

          Alas, my friend, alas. War is the most effective means of diplomacy. Unfortunately.
          hi
      3. bif
        bif 7 September 2013 11: 25
        +4
        It's time to move from words to deeds ... and "WASH in the SORT".
    3. Suhov
      Suhov 6 September 2013 16: 33
      12
      Quote: lonely
      if Syria (Assad) loses, the Middle East as a region will be lost to Russia. If you think deeply, Russia (except Syria) does not have more than one friendly state in the region.

      The Americans introduced the concept of a red line.
      Which is successfully manipulated and as a result own the initiative.
      recourse
      I would like to ask:
      And what, in our Great country, red paint is over?
      wassat
      We need and we can depict our red line to the Americans!
      wassat
      1. Gato
        Gato 6 September 2013 17: 35
        +4
        Quote: Sukhov
        The Americans introduced the concept of a red line.

        Not certainly in that way. The thin red line is a propaganda cliche from the Crimean War, it was invented by the British, the Americans inherited it.
        But in fact, everything is true.
    4. duke
      duke 6 September 2013 18: 25
      0
      small amendment - not a single state
    5. starshina78
      starshina78 6 September 2013 21: 39
      +1
      Unfortunately, YES. In the media and on the TV box, such words have already begun to slip (the program "The Right to Vote on TVTs") of experts that Iran is behind Syria, and there is Russia. And no one will say now about the further course of events. Syria will show everything.
    6. dark_65
      dark_65 8 September 2013 09: 45
      0
      were there sincere friends?
  2. xomaNN
    xomaNN 6 September 2013 15: 34
    11
    After the surrender of Libya, Russia lost in the image much more than possible Medvedev then hoped to acquire from the West. It's good that the same rake does not repeat wink
  3. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 6 September 2013 15: 37
    10
    Hello Munich - times are passing, names and players are changing, only goals are not changing. I wonder if our player will be equal to the previous one?
    1. m262
      m262 7 September 2013 00: 02
      +1
      Everything is right: the Second World War began not in Poland on the 39th, but in Spain on the 37th, then there were Austria (anschlutz), the Czech Republic, the Sudetenland, Europe was silent and devotedly watching, then Poland in the 39th, and they all washed themselves with blood.
      History is a spiral (what the hell is it all closing on us for, I don’t understand? !!!!), but apparently fate ...
      Again it began, I am ready, and YOU ???
      1. Current 72
        Current 72 7 September 2013 14: 39
        0
        I’m ready! I’m already 71, I would live to see it, I’ve already rolled up my sleeves! BUT I DON’T WANT THAT IT HAPPENED! Too much blood will be shed, and innocent people.
  4. Airman
    Airman 6 September 2013 15: 38
    12
    Syria is a passed pawn in a chess game, if it is "eaten" - the US won, if Syria holds out - Russia and the peace-loving forces won.
  5. kostik1301
    kostik1301 6 September 2013 15: 38
    +4
    You can not guess, our shit-democrats in exchange for their savings have definitely surrendered to Syria ....
  6. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 6 September 2013 15: 47
    +3
    Syria is just an obstacle that needs to be removed. And the goals are Russia and China. ”

    Why are the Chinese so timid ?? or they hope that Russia and the United States will begin to tear each other and the cunning China will then just finish off both .. It is unlikely .. The time for denouement comes and no one can sit quietly.
    1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 6 September 2013 21: 05
      0
      yes vryatli, if the mess starts to be fucked up in China, well, so surely! angry
  7. Max otto
    Max otto 6 September 2013 16: 01
    20
    The Minister of Health of the Republic of Serbia Leposava Milichevic then said: “Even Adolf Hitler did not bomb our chemical plants! NATO is calmly doing this, destroying rivers, poisoning the air, killing people, the country.

    I think against the background of some modern politicians (and even the same McCain), Hitler would not have seemed so directly bloodthirsty.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 6 September 2013 16: 09
      +6
      Quote: Max Otto
      I think against the background of some modern politicians (and even the same McCain), Hitler would not have seemed so directly bloodthirsty.


      ++++ !!!
    2. alexng
      alexng 6 September 2013 17: 02
      +4
      I think that after this American adventure, the whole world will rise up against Fasciston. After all, NATO is no longer supporting, as before, all the antics of the USA. The empire of lies and evil must be defeated. All power is in Truth.
  8. darksoul
    darksoul 6 September 2013 16: 07
    +3
    US policy is not far-sighted, it’s easy to bomb ... what then to do? Egypt climbs out of control Iran sits in all arms and our BDK and Chinese want to believe in Syria not just came with a visit
  9. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 6 September 2013 16: 09
    12
    The most humiliating thing is that America, as usual, destroys the country, and everyone else should help it recover. I hope that very soon the USA will fall apart and the world will breathe easy
    1. Lech from ZATULINKI
      Lech from ZATULINKI 6 September 2013 16: 26
      +4
      The United States itself will not fall apart - there must be serious reasons for this as long as there are none despite the economic crisis and the two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
      Presumably from the history of the crash of EMPIRE, these are the consequences of world wars.
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 6 September 2013 19: 09
      +1
      Quote: vladsolo56
      Hope the US falls apart very soon

      Do not hope in vain. After the Civil War, fuses were built into the system so that they could not be taken in anything, it could only be atomic bombing, but then the polar foxes would visit everyone without exception, and you personally. Do you need it?
  10. erased
    erased 6 September 2013 16: 11
    +4
    He doubted what the main goals are. With China, the States can and will be beaten. But politicians and the state apparatus will probably surrender Russia. At the price of their savings that lie in the banks of the West and their lives. The normal price is for a hundred millions of Slavs and a couple of tens of millions of other nationalities. Everyone will be satisfied. Except the dead ...
    1. Oskar
      Oskar 6 September 2013 16: 29
      -2
      And the dead do not bite ...
      If absolutely pessimistic forecasts are confirmed, Russia has practically nothing to oppose NATO, except for the habitually "tough" and completely useless statements of Putin (tough statements are usually backed up by no less tough steps). And so this toothless mumble, no more. The dog barked, so to speak.
      Affected "dashing" 90s and "stable" 00s. It was necessary to work, and not to ski, but to fly with Siberian Cranes. Naturalist average. And the Kremlin "ederastam" does not care about Russia and the Slavs. They only get into their airplanes and fly to all corners of the world, they have everything ready for this for a long time ... And they will give us an AKM and a bowler hat - and go ahead with a song! To defend sovereignty!
      1. Current 72
        Current 72 7 September 2013 14: 46
        0
        Oscar! Don’t you give a shit about Russia ??? That you cannot rest with Siberian Cranes, ride skiing, is it possible that YOU dig all the time, without rest, in this shit that people like you created.
      2. Victor 18
        Victor 18 7 September 2013 23: 38
        0
        How do you know "liberal bark beetle" than Putin will answer, we will have to go defend, I hope you will not be next to me, I will quickly close the whistle.
    2. Bigriver
      Bigriver 6 September 2013 16: 42
      +3
      Quote: erased
      ... AND Politicians and the state apparatus will probably surrender Russia. At the price of their savings that lie in the banks of the West and their lives ...

      And to put several tens of thousands of RUBLES of your own, hard earned, you are personally ready for your "VISIBLY, they will hand over crying"?
      If you are ready, you can discuss the conditions, amount and wording.
      I, like you, seers, have been proposing a deal for a certain period of time in different forums for 15 months in a row: they will surrender ours / not surrender. Nobody wants to negotiate. Blah blah blah, and then everyone gets lost somewhere.
      Phantoms with a phantom opinion.
      But, you are not like that?love
      1. erased
        erased 6 September 2013 17: 27
        0
        Is it presenting, hitting or just chatting pulls?
        1. Oskar
          Oskar 6 September 2013 17: 48
          +1
          This is a gamer, apparently. Bored of roulette.
    3. Bombowoz
      Bombowoz 6 September 2013 18: 49
      +4
      Why do you think that these several hundred million Slavs will sit and wait until they are destroyed? I would not speak for everyone. History says otherwise. And if the war starts, it will end on Wall Street. And why did they decide that someone would listen to our politicians? And why did they decide that after the world massacre there will be a place on the planet where you can safely spend the stolen goods. Why no one takes into account nuclear weapons and the usual Russian "life and nothing to lose" ... goodbye Mother Earth.
  11. Siberian
    Siberian 6 September 2013 16: 31
    0
    Quote: lonely
    The essence of the article is as follows:

    if Syria (Assad) loses, the Middle East as a region will be lost to Russia. If you think deeply, Russia (except Syria) does not have more than one friendly state in the region.
    Syria yes and what is Iran
    What have they against us? Maybe I got lost somewhere with my work? drinks Advice please.
    1. Kipish
      Kipish 6 September 2013 16: 54
      +4
      Iran has never been our ally. Interests coincide from time to time, but there is no alliance.
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 6 September 2013 19: 21
        +2
        Quote: Kipish
        Iran has never been our ally. Interests coincide from time to time, but there is no alliance.

        Moreover, with the coming to power in Iran of the mullocracy, the USSR, and later Russia, automatically entered the list of Iran’s enemies, because they were infidels. Back in 1980, Brezhnev, rejoicing that the regime had become hysterically anti-American, tried to offer Khomeini to be friends against America, in particular in Afghanistan. But got a bummer.
        And with Shah Brezhnev, I remember, greeted the pen in front of the cameras in Moscow. I just don’t remember whether I climbed to kiss. wassat
    2. alone
      alone 6 September 2013 17: 08
      +3
      Iran needs Russia on nuclear issues. Russian specialists are building nuclear plants. Russia’s position on the Syrian issue is also important. But look at Iran’s position on the Caspian issue. It is 100% contrary to Russia’s position. Iran is not your ally
      1. Siberian
        Siberian 6 September 2013 17: 24
        0
        Thank! definitely lost. request Somewhere I heard something. It is necessary to study. PS As for (nuclear issues. NPP), yes.
  12. Manager
    Manager 6 September 2013 16: 34
    +5
    Quote: Max Otto
    I think against the background of some modern politicians (and even the same McCain), Hitler would not have seemed so directly bloodthirsty.


    In a sense, even the savior of the planet from evil could be))))
  13. dominion
    dominion 6 September 2013 16: 39
    0
    We must, in case of an attack on Syria, need to drown two aircraft carriers. This will sober them up. In another way, Syria will be destroyed, we will be under siege, which does not bode well for us.
    1. True
      True 7 September 2013 01: 18
      +1
      But we will not bomb Washington? belay
  14. Oskar
    Oskar 6 September 2013 16: 42
    +4
    Quote: dominion
    We must, in case of an attack on Syria, need to drown two aircraft carriers. This will sober them up. In another way, Syria will be destroyed, we will be under siege, which does not bode well for us.


    Well, yes, and the sinking of their aircraft carriers bodes very, very much good.
    1. dominion
      dominion 6 September 2013 16: 47
      0
      All the same, it’s necessary to fight with the amers, and it’s better to do it now further from your own borders than to wait until they cover us from all sides and set hordes of killers on us under the banner of jihad.
      1. Manager
        Manager 6 September 2013 16: 56
        -4
        Quote: dominion
        Still have to fight with amers

        Who told you that? What are your reasons? Is the fantasy sick? No one will start a nuclear war. Especially because of Syria.
        And SUSHA will fall apart. Domestic mood is still the same.
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 6 September 2013 19: 24
          +5
          Quote: Manager
          And SUSHA will fall apart. Domestic mood is still the same.

          Yes? But I don’t feel it.
      2. Oskar
        Oskar 6 September 2013 16: 58
        +6
        The Soviet Union did not begin to translate the "cold" war into a "hot" one. Do you think we've become stronger since then?
      3. alone
        alone 6 September 2013 17: 11
        +4
        Thinking of sinking two aircraft carriers so easy? Or do you think the war between the United States and Russia will be similar to the Boer War? or do you completely deny the possibility of using nuclear weapons? when using nuclear weapons there is no difference in fighting far from the borders or in one’s territory.
      4. Victor 18
        Victor 18 7 September 2013 23: 45
        0
        It has long been lined around the perimeter of the border and the 5th column is grown inside.
  15. Stock captain
    Stock captain 6 September 2013 16: 52
    +6
    I fully agree with the author of the article. The main goal of the entire "democratic" movement is a monopoly on natural resources. Russia has long been on the list for democratization, it is enough to look at Brzesinsky's map about the division of Russia into puppet states and it is immediately clear what they have prepared for us. In the near future, a firm policy regarding the intervention in Syria is a test for Russia and its government, which cannot be retaken.
  16. Politician
    Politician 6 September 2013 16: 54
    +3
    It has long been clear that the United States considers itself an empire that creates a new world order. The arrests of Russian citizens in different countries, on false charges, are needed to once again show who is the boss in the world. The Americans do not need partners, they need loyal servants who are ready to follow any of their instructions. Russia simply needs to create a military-political alliance with China and India. Otherwise, amers alone with their dogs will eat us all in turn. The US plan is very simple, set fire to the entire Eurasian continent, bring chaos and ruin here. And then, with weak countries, you can do anything.
  17. shinobi
    shinobi 6 September 2013 16: 54
    +1
    If we sit back, that’s how it will be. It’s necessary to prepare, extinguish the potential fifth column to the fullest. I will not arm, rearm, upgrade the army for the most.
  18. Siberian
    Siberian 6 September 2013 16: 54
    +1
    Quote: Oskar
    Quote: dominion
    We must, in case of an attack on Syria, need to drown two aircraft carriers. This will sober them up. In another way, Syria will be destroyed, we will be under siege, which does not bode well for us.


    Well, yes, and the sinking of their aircraft carriers bodes very, very much good.
    SO AND SO in the future, nothing promises good, we only exacerbate it, and give them more confidence in their impunity.
    1. Oskar
      Oskar 6 September 2013 17: 01
      +1
      Armageddon, I hope to always have time to arrange! How the final decision!
  19. 006 Feliks
    006 Feliks 6 September 2013 17: 02
    +1
    Money again! All countries supporting the United States only want profit - so to speak, we have discerned the near future, America, of course, the player is more far-sighted, he is aiming at us and China can continue! She will take her own in the form of dividends from the sale of her weapons and the same benefits for oil in this region !! The question is, who will stop the aggressor ?? It is a pity that Hugo Chavez left so early, he certainly did not become silent !!
  20. Russkiy_Prapor
    Russkiy_Prapor 6 September 2013 17: 18
    +2
    Unleash the 3rd world war over Syria, of course, no one will. The best way would be to conclude an agreement on mutual military assistance with the legitimate government of Syria and, as a result of this (agreement), the introduction of its armed forces into the territory of this country, of course, with a peacekeeping mission. Simply get ahead of NATO and legally send the US in the ass)))))
    1. Oskar
      Oskar 6 September 2013 17: 22
      +4
      In addition, the ships of the Russian Navy, according to international law, can shoot down "tomahawks" flying nearby and, in the opinion of the captain, could threaten the safety of the ship. But will there be? We will see.
  21. profcom77
    profcom77 6 September 2013 17: 27
    0
    The MTO point in Syrian Tartus is an important component of our fleet. You can’t lose her! By the way, what is there in Cuba? Is there a base? Or far away?
  22. urchik
    urchik 6 September 2013 17: 29
    0
    France - the blue six in the hands of pin..do..sii, the country - ,, winner, in the second world ... Kutuzov and Hitler you have forgotten the current descendants.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 6 September 2013 19: 36
      +1
      Quote: urchik
      France - the blue six in the hands of pin..do..sii, the country - ,, winner, in the second world ... Kutuzov and Hitler you have forgotten the current descendants.

      And you, before you call Hitler for help, read "Mein Kampf", just prepare a bowl - it’s too emetic reading. Maybe you will understand that he was presented to France mainly of an intangible nature, well, except for a couple of border provinces with a predominantly German population. And he meant to take the living space for the German nation in the east. And subhumans, he considered not the French, but just the Slavs.
  23. Bigriver
    Bigriver 6 September 2013 17: 40
    -1
    Quote: erased
    Is it presenting, hitting or just chatting pulls?

    Read. It is said in Russian and extremely clear.
    And let's answer. Without "apparently", "maybe", "most likely", etc.
    You can in PM.
    This is a purely commercial offer for you to capitalize on your sincere beliefs.
    Why not? If your assessment of the balance of power is correct, you will be on top and with a profit.
    And I - in a vile anus and with an empty wallet recourse
    PS
    There is nothing personal about it. It’s just that I can’t pinch your audience in any way. She always floats away from a specific conversation. Have you caught your .. opinion.
    1. erased
      erased 6 September 2013 18: 14
      +2
      My audience is not here. And where I got did not understand. It seems like a run over, no question, present and answer for the presentation. Only without chatter on the site, it is not created for that.
  24. smsk
    smsk 6 September 2013 17: 43
    +1
    The heads of Russia and China need to sign a military agreement on mutual assistance, at least for this period. Syria is called a zone of its national interests. No p. Adla would dare to stick in there, all mongrel like Italy, France and the Cathars with Israel would shut up for a long time. It is necessary to besiege now the Indians.
  25. Vvs
    Vvs 6 September 2013 17: 51
    0
    Quote: Captain of the Reserve
    exam for Russia and its government

    The exam has long been a failure. It began with Afghanistan, from where it was necessary to leave, without having reached foggy goals. The problem of the USSR, and now Russia, is that some idea (the world revolution, the Great Russian, urapatriotic, etc., because you want to feel great!) Is at the forefront, not supported by any economic calculation.
    The USA always considers its actions on influence (economic, political, military) as an investment project. Hence the successes: clear goals and money spent on military force make it possible to obtain the desired result and increase this military force, etc. The army works for the economy, the economy for the army.
    Iraq on the basis of Soviet weapons and Soviet military science is a failure.
    Yugoslavia on the basis of Soviet weapons and Soviet military science is also a failure.
    Plus the failure of Russian policy in the Balkans. "Wait, brothers, we will help. Only now the laces are untied." And when they started, Yugoslavia is gone. Plus an aimless raid by the DShB to capture an unnecessary airfield. For what purpose? What for? Who needed it? Unknown.
    What about Bulgaria?
    "where she will have to deal with Romania, Bulgaria and Georgia - American" clients "with an anti-Russian foreign policy."
    Yes, in Bulgaria, at every step there is a monument to Ushakov, in the center of Sofia - a temple-monument to Alexander Nevsky, a monument to Alyosha - a Russian soldier in Plovdiv, Plevna - etc. It was necessary to behave this way in order to lose such an ally in the Balkans!
    What about Georgia? This is where all the shortcomings of Soviet and then Russian military art appeared. Neither EW really, nor the WTO. But there is an army commander who hid in the bushes.
    What is the heroic plot of the victory of the rocket boat over the Georgian galoshes! "A warning shot from the Osa air defense missile system"! I cried!
    That's the whole exam!
    And now Syria: why in the Mediterranean Sea Russian warships - no one knows. There are ships - let them go, that’s the whole goal.
    No need to be offended by the Americans. You need to be really strong. And smart. Know the rules of the game. And play better than them. There is no spoon!
    1. Andrew 447
      Andrew 447 6 September 2013 18: 28
      +4
      All these "allies" were the usual opportunists and "zones of interests." In the Second World War, Bulgaria was on the side of Hitler, these were the "brothers". Well, Russia never had real allies and this is because RUSSIA is a self-sufficient country. We are never in front of anyone did not curry favor, did not seek anyone's friendship, and even less patronage. You do not understand (because you live in Ukraine and most likely you are not more than 30 years old) and I cannot explain to you why we need ships in the Mediterranean. For Russian, everything is simple here - our ships must be in the Mediterranean Sea and that's it, no comment ...
      1. m262
        m262 7 September 2013 00: 21
        +1
        It is not necessary to offend a comrade from Ukraine, according to the outlook he is OUR, but has his own opinion, in some things he is right:
        what is needed is not intentions and "designation of presence", but actions !!!
        1. Vvs
          Vvs 9 September 2013 17: 21
          0
          I will add: conscious, reasonable, calculated and understandable to the people actions that allow you to achieve real goals.
      2. Vvs
        Vvs 9 September 2013 17: 18
        0
        "and I can’t explain to you why we need ships in the Mediterranean. For Russian, everything is simple, our ships should be in the Mediterranean Sea and everything is not commented."
        Even worse: the General Staff will not be able to!
        A vivid example of the decision-making procedure in the information age of supercomputers and mathematical modeling. Success is ensured. Maybe!
    2. Berserk
      Berserk 7 September 2013 00: 36
      +2
      As far as I know, it was not a galosh at all, but an MR (RKA pr.206MR). Quite a good project. I met with them during the exercises. You somehow all indiscriminately "all p ... sy, I am dartanyan" (just like that, without the apostrophe). Bulgaria throughout the twentieth century lay under our enemies. "Takooooy soyuzneg, washsche!" belay
      You do not touch the general, you were not in those bushes. Under our commanders-in-chief at that time, the 58th Army performed the Feat.
      1. Vvs
        Vvs 9 September 2013 18: 09
        -1
        I propose to familiarize yourself with: The riddles of the naval battle on August 10, 2008 (http://flot.com/nowadays/concept/opposite/russiavsgeorgia.htm), the source is not enemy, but Russian.

        "Takooooy soyuzneg, washsche!"
        Where will you get the others? You need to work with the contingent! Mostly the Orthodox population, loyal to Russia, has received help from it more than once over the course of history.
        Well, Russia never had real allies, and this is because RUSSIA is a self-sufficient country. With this approach, the amers do not need to do anything - disperse the allies yourself.

        You do not touch the general, you were not in those bushes. Under our commanders-in-chief at that time, the 58th Army performed the Feat.
        Not so often, conflicts happen, so they are all examined under a microscope.
        The fighting, planned before 2005, run-in in exercises in the fall of 2006 (3000 l / s, 500 units of equipment), could be managed better.
        With all due respect, the headquarters column episode cannot be an example of high military art:
        Wikipedia: "During the day, the staff column of the 58th Army was ambushed. It was moving along the circular road to Tskhinvali. The column suffered heavy losses, only 30 of 5 vehicles survived. Among other injuries were the army commander Anatoly Khrulev and journalists of the Russian TV channel Vesti."
        Only by chance saved the 58th army from the disgrace of the capture of the commander and the loss of the banner. Maybe !?

        The Georgians managed to completely surprise the headquarters column.
        According to the journalist, it was he who noticed the Georgian special forces ready for battle.
        (http://www.soldati-russian.ru/publ/stati/analiz_voennykh_dejstvij/razgrom_shtab
        noj_kolonny_58_j_armii_sobytie_i_analiz/18-1-0-80)
        The feat of a journalist - yes. The feat of a soldier - yes!
        Shame of the general - three times yes!
        "We decided to run in the opposite direction behind the departing APC, away from the city. The general ran ahead."

        Here are quotes (the same resource):
        "The commander of the army, running alone, unaccompanied, like a simple soldier, a Georgian special forces soldier jumping out (from where?) To meet him, a column that began to" disperse in different directions "under fire, leaving its commander, lieutenant general, alone on the field battle, in fact, to certain death or captivity, a wounded general lying in a ditch, single-handedly firing a pistol - nin plain Russian, this is called "rout"."
        "In general, there was no help for the wounded, no first aid on the spot, no organized evacuation." This is said by a journalist, an eyewitness to what happened.
        It’s good that the general escaped. Better no control than that.
        Where are the declared satellites, navigation, communications, reconnaissance, electronic warfare, WTO? High tech?

        What to say big words, it is more advisable to recognize all the failures of recent years, political and military. To cover the battlefield with corpses is not great science. Not to seek, not to value allies, to cherish them in every way - this is isolation and the road to nowhere.
        To admit mistakes, to be ill with them and to draw conclusions is the way out.
        In the meantime: be a bat in Syria, want this USA.
    3. Victor 18
      Victor 18 8 September 2013 00: 03
      0
      Captain not be you major. Why are there so many policies and questions, if the task and goal are set, it must be fulfilled. Putin knows the rules of the game. Obama was blown away.
  26. Hug
    Hug 6 September 2013 17: 54
    0
    Quote: dominion
    We must, in case of an attack on Syria, need to drown two aircraft carriers. This will sober them up. In another way, Syria will be destroyed, we will be under siege, which does not bode well for us.

    Are you, the most respectable, adequate?
  27. Bigriver
    Bigriver 6 September 2013 17: 57
    0
    Quote: Oskar
    This is a gamer, apparently. Bored of roulette.

    Your haste in judgment gives you an immature person.
    My advice to you - take your time. Read, weigh, and think more before speaking.
    1. Oskar
      Oskar 6 September 2013 19: 10
      +2
      Eka, described ... With all his immaturity and haste.
  28. morprepud
    morprepud 6 September 2013 18: 07
    +4
    Looks like the Pentagonists have really forgotten history. Rake, then a rake, BUT there is more weighty, DO NOT understand what can be done in conflicts with the Russians! I would like to remind them of the words of Bismarck: "Even the most favorable outcome of the war will never lead to the disintegration of the main force of Russia, which is based on millions of Russians proper ... These latter, even if they are dismembered by international treatises, are just as quickly reunited with each other like particles of a cut a piece of mercury. This is an indestructible state of the Russian nation, strong in its climate, its spaces and limited needs. "
    1. Mshir
      Mshir 6 September 2013 18: 19
      +2
      Bismarck spoke of another Russia, not one that the third decade has taught that the more you consume and the less you think about others, the better. They didn’t specify only - it’s better for anyone ...
      1. morprepud
        morprepud 6 September 2013 18: 27
        +4
        Sorry young man, but please pay attention to the statement of Bismarck, NOT to Russia, but to Russians!
        1. Mshir
          Mshir 6 September 2013 20: 17
          0
          What did you see as a contradiction? Don't Russians live in Russia anymore?
          1. lecturer
            lecturer 6 September 2013 21: 13
            0
            Young man, let me answer your question for a colleague, there are 180 nationalities in Russia, including various faiths, traditions, etc. The Russian nation has holiness in the strength of its faith in Orthodoxy, where the dominant principle is "forgiveness for any insults", BUT NOT CHANGED! (example of Judas - a traitor). And therefore, in the expressions of Bismarck, it was precisely the spirit of the Russian soldier who even defended his prisoners, fed them, and did not shoot them (from the history of the wars of the Russian army).
            PS Sorry, young man, for our amendments. My colleague and I must always repeat the lesson for you. After all, we will leave, and to you further with GOD!
          2. Berserk
            Berserk 7 September 2013 00: 38
            +1
            The fact of the matter is that they live.
          3. Victor 18
            Victor 18 8 September 2013 00: 11
            0
            The Russians still have the spirit, but you MSHIR do not consider yourself faithfully to them?
  29. Siberian
    Siberian 6 September 2013 18: 12
    +2
    Quote: smsk
    The heads of Russia and China need to sign a military agreement on mutual assistance, at least for this period. Syria is called a zone of its national interests. No p. Adla would dare to stick in there, all mongrel like Italy, France and the Cathars with Israel would shut up for a long time. It is necessary to besiege now the Indians.

    It would be nice, at least for this period. But it seems to be on the verge of fiction.
    1. vvvvv
      vvvvv 6 September 2013 23: 20
      0
      I agree that in such situations we need drastic and extraordinary measures.
  30. ioann1
    ioann1 6 September 2013 18: 14
    +1
    When Kerry and Dempsey answered questions in the US Congress, they became uneasy. Something is difficult for them to explain ... In order to plunge the country of Syria and the entire region (the Middle East) into chaos, the Americans are ready to lie, but at the same time so primitive that it seems that people have an education of five classes. They themselves lit this chemistry, and they are shifting it to the Syrian government.
    It is clear that they are fulfilling the requirement of the elite of the Masons to plunge the world into chaos, but they should still have a sense of self-preservation. After all, this war game just does not end. And by the way, in vain they rely on the oceans washing the SGA from both sides and seem to protect them from the outside world ...
    But these oceans, after all, may close over the mainland. And this can really happen if the brave guys unwind the pendulum of war without looking back. The gradual development of events will lead to large-scale operations with nuclear weapons and so on. And this is already the third world in its most striking manifestation.
  31. Bigriver
    Bigriver 6 September 2013 18: 26
    -1
    Quote: erased
    My audience is not here. And where I got did not understand. It seems like a run over, no question, present and answer for the presentation. Only without chatter on the site, it is not created for that.

    Your answer has been accepted.
    You are not ready to answer for your statements. They were impulsive, not balanced and did not pretend to any objectivity.
    It's a pity...
    Everything is the same as "everywhere" - chatter and nagging.
    1. erased
      erased 6 September 2013 18: 58
      +2
      Flood. And chatter.
  32. Belogor
    Belogor 6 September 2013 18: 38
    +1
    "to expel the Russian Black Sea Fleet from the Crimea and to bottle it up in Novorossiysk. After that, Russia can be deleted from the list of maritime powers retaining influence in the Western Hemisphere."
    What kind of nonsense? In Russia, as you know, there is not only the Black Sea Fleet, which by the way is very small in number. And secondly, getting a fleet into the Western Hemisphere is much easier from other places where our fleets are based.
  33. orek
    orek 6 September 2013 18: 53
    0
    Quote: Army1
    It seems the time of diplomacy has passed

    AUG (Airborne Assault Group (grouping) - operational connection of ships of the brigade-division level, the combat core of which is a multi-purpose aircraft carrier) appeared in Russia, and maybe not one ??? HERE when there will be pieces .... t, then I completely subscribe to your conjecture.
    And at this stage only DIPLOMACY.
    The only thing else that can be offered is a free distribution of books on the lawn in front of the White House "The Nuremberg Trials: A Collection of Materials in 8 Volumes.", So that later they would not say that they did not know.
    1. Berserk
      Berserk 7 September 2013 12: 19
      0
      There will be a couple of KUG (Ship Strike Group) with Atlantis at the head. This is not a replacement for AUG, of course, but the countermeasures have been worked out. yes
      Diplomacy not reinforced by steel fists in the world today is not worth a damn. It is obvious.
  34. bubla5
    bubla5 6 September 2013 18: 59
    +1
    If a hundred years ago, then comparing Americans and Europeans, then it’s time for Hitler and Stalin to give the Nobel Peace Prize
  35. sash411
    sash411 6 September 2013 19: 01
    0
    No one would lift a finger for Syria. It is only on the sites that you can still chat freely. Soon the real masters of the world will be punished for this too. It's a pity not so long ago that anyone could think of a calm discussion of the beginning of a future WAR, which are now tolerantly called a "peacekeeping mission" or a "problem solving".
  36. pinecone
    pinecone 6 September 2013 19: 01
    0
    Quote: kostik1301
    You can not guess, our shit-democrats in exchange for their savings have definitely surrendered to Syria ....


    Undoubtedly, there are supporters of striking at Syria in the Russian Federation, especially in the oligarchic elite, since such a scenario will inevitably lead to a sharp increase in world oil prices.
  37. orek
    orek 6 September 2013 19: 05
    +1
    Quote: Russkiy_Prapor
    Unleash the 3rd world war over Syria, of course, no one will.

    Moreover, they won’t unleash from any country (except for itself, if you have time). no one needs radioactive oil, especially since it (oil) needs to be delivered to the consumer somehow. By the way, countries also need to eat, and radioactive dust moves along an unpredictable trajectory.
    A war without the use of weapons of mass destruction is terribly unpopular in the "democratic world" action, coffins come however. Believe me, it makes no sense to fight those who already work for the economy of the United States and Europe.
    1. lecturer
      lecturer 6 September 2013 22: 19
      0
      Perhaps you are right!
      no one needs radioactive oil, especially since it (oil) needs to be delivered to the consumer somehow
      BUT, maybe this is only death for European countries and Asian countries, and they (themselves) guarantee modern shale gas developments? Indeed, the activity of his developments now closes almost the need for oil. BUT, your assumptions are better all the same.
  38. Snoop
    Snoop 6 September 2013 19: 15
    0
    The Yankees will strike, they won’t ... But what are they actually risking? Only probable losses still hold them back. Russia will start a war with the United States over Syria? No naturally. China? He aside will always be watching.
  39. voliador
    voliador 6 September 2013 19: 20
    +1
    Absolutely correct, precisely formulated article. There is nothing to add, a causal relationship of events is evident. Therefore, scrappers will go to the end.
  40. Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 6 September 2013 19: 32
    +1
    What will turn around?
    First of all, the loss of reputation.
    After the collapse of the USSR, we did not save, did not protect any of our friends from aggression.
    They were all betrayed or sold.
    Syria is the last chance to regain confidence in our country.
    1. Arabist
      Arabist 6 September 2013 21: 30
      +1
      Whom did we betray or sell?
    2. atalef
      atalef 7 September 2013 11: 35
      0
      Quote: Samsebenum
      Syria is the last chance to regain confidence in our country.

      I don’t know, but why should trust be based on Syria? On B, C, the loss of Syria is the loss of all leverage for Russia. Justice is fighting for this, and not for Assad, and Russia does not have to be pulled into a peace camp. Like any superpower, it has global interests and points of support. In BV, Syria is the only point of support for Russia, and Russia does not want to lose influence in this region. Of course, any rhetoric can be customized for this, including the struggle for world peace. Only now in the world are dozens of armed conflicts and millions starving - but for some reason Russia is not visible there. Therefore, let's just say the United States and Russia are fighting for the cornerstone of influence on the BV. America today has much more successes - almost all the countries of the BV under its full political control. By displacing Russia from the BV and the Mediterranean, the USA will completely solve its geopolitical tasks in the BV, having lost Syria - Russia will completely lose its influence on the BV (as well as hydrocarbon market and transit), with uncontrolled consequences.
      Frankly speaking, America and its allies (Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar. Israel, Jordan and Egypt (to some extent)) have much more strength. Therefore, America can allow itself to behave as it does. Russia will come to terms with the inevitable (of course, floundering to the end) It's like in chess, but the United States and the pieces on the board are bigger, and the position is stronger.
      Therefore, of course there will be a blow, Assad certainly will not answer, and Russia certainly will not fit.
      How events will develop further is interesting. but they are entering a hotter phase.
      Assad of course d.u.r.a.k. Do not wake famously. Chemical weapons must be controlled, but the fact that they were used more than once is not a secret for anyone (and for Russia it is the same) Recognizing the fact (by Russia) that Assad uses WMDs automatically destroys all ways as Assad’s support. so is Russia's position on Syria. Therefore, it is understandable that Russia will not recognize this fact and it will not be recognized. America (knowing that Assad used WMD quite a few times, but the number of victims was an order of magnitude smaller) Just waiting for the right moment, and now it has arrived - and there are enough victims and a summit on the nose.
      Russia should have influenced Assad by any means (including maybe even taking control of Syria’s chemical arsenals by Russia. This would not give America a reason to get into and just destroy the legitimate reason or suspect its use in Syria) But nobody thought about that, in fact, it does not matter (from my point of view) who used it. In Syria, the enormous reserves of chemical weapons and for the whole world are equally dangerous it will fall into the hands of bandits and spread to the region or Assad himself uses it (which makes him just a monster - the use of weapons of mass destruction in his own country against the civilian population) Strategically Russia (more precisely diplomatically) always trailed in the tail and did not think a step forward. A statement by Russia about taking control of arsenals of chemical weapons in Syria would rule out the development of such a scenario - like an intervention (or just a blow) from the outside. But nobody thought about it, and here is the result. Even if they prove that Assad did not use WMD, the United States will have a pretty simple argument to get in there. Assad does not control chemical weapons, and the danger of its spread around the world is extremely great.
      We need to think a couple of steps forward and Russia had more than 2 years for this. What has been done, nothing. Therefore, do not twist it, but Russia will lose Syria, as well as the entire BV (which it lost a long time ago)
      1. The Indian Joe
        The Indian Joe 7 September 2013 13: 36
        +1
        and the fact that it has been used more than once - this is not a secret for anyone (and for Russia it is the same) Recognition of the fact (by Russia) that Assad uses WMDs automatically destroys all ways as Assad’s support. so is Russia's position on Syria. Therefore, it is clear that Russia does not recognize this fact and it will not be recognized
        - Atalef, I ask you to voice the evidence that Syria (the Syrian government and the army) did use WMDs.
        Any serious statement should be based on facts. Can you prove that the chemical weapons were used by the Syrian forces, not the SSA?
    3. Victor 18
      Victor 18 8 September 2013 00: 41
      0
      15 years from the shameful betrayal of M. Gorbachev and the actions of the drunk conductor B. Yeltsin were not in vain.
  41. Boricello
    Boricello 6 September 2013 19: 56
    +5
    There will be nothing good for Russia. In the situation that is now in Syria, Russia has few trump cards. Russian weapons will be discredited due to poor knowledge of air defense calculations and in the hodgepodge that is there. An integral air defense structure has not been built. Because of this, Russia will lose many arms supply contracts. Geopolitically, nothing good either. Yes, you need to give back the GDP, he masterfully used all the mistakes that were made in the west, but they also understood this. Now they just went all-in. Their strength is immeasurable, denezhkov too, and against scrap there is no reception if there is no other scrap. And then it does not exist in Russia. Yes, maybe in the long run, something will recoup. Anyway, falsification using chemical weapons will come up, but it will be too late already. There is one thing I want for the Jews and Saudis to return at least a third of the muck they did to Syria.
    1. vikruss
      vikruss 7 September 2013 05: 25
      +1
      Surprising fact, North Korea is not comparable in strategic terms with Russia, and nevertheless no one touches it, and only because it really fucking in the south if it comes to that. For a long time, the Russian authorities have not had enough will to define their own red line for USA_ and all Pendostana. All these, sorry, human-Lavrov attempts to convince the Ghouls-cannibals not to eat us, gives them even more impudence. It's time to take in the hands of the Club and act, Russia.
      1. Victor 18
        Victor 18 8 September 2013 01: 04
        0
        Baby talk. In Russia, the alignment of forces is not the same as it was in the USSR, the kind of which S. Korea was created in. More than 40 million people. Tens of millions of foreign car owners, tens of thousands of all kinds of supermarkets, mobile telephony, mass Internet and the fifth column of Western liberalism annually go abroad (leisure, tourism, business, etc.) - all this does not allow us to define the red line for the United States.
  42. gammipapa
    gammipapa 6 September 2013 20: 54
    -4
    Before the start of the American bombing, Assad needs to make a clear statement so that everyone can hear.
    If America hits at least one missile on the territory of Syria, then the Syrian army will immediately use chemical weapons on the territory of bandit formations in the territory of its state. There are no and cannot be a peaceful population among the concentration of militants, there can only be accomplices and they made their choice.
    In this situation, Syria wins love. First, after such statements, they most likely will not be bombing her. Secondly, if they do, Assad will solve the problem with the militants, even at the cost of his life. In aunts, if he doesn’t do this, then the country will be killed according to anyone, but the scum will terrorize the country many times more
    1. atalef
      atalef 7 September 2013 11: 43
      0
      Quote: gammipapa
      If America hits at least one missile on the territory of Syria, then the Syrian army will immediately use chemical weapons on the territory of bandit formations in the territory of its state. There are no and cannot be a peaceful population among the concentration of militants, there can only be accomplices and they made their choice.

      Your words and yes Assad's ears. Then the northern chanterelles can now pack their backpacks with the first plane to visit Assad.
  43. Boricello
    Boricello 6 September 2013 21: 13
    +1
    Quote: gammipapa
    In this situation, Syria wins love. First, after such statements, they most likely will not be bombing her. Secondly, if they do, Assad will solve the problem with the militants, even at the cost of his life. In aunts, if he doesn’t do this, then the country will be killed according to anyone, but the scum will terrorize the country many times more

    In this scenario, even those who do not want to be bombed will be.
  44. individual
    individual 6 September 2013 21: 22
    0
    One of the most important goals of regime change in Syria, Qatar and the Saudis see goals coinciding with the West - laying oil and gas pipelines from Arabia to Turkey and Europe, which causes significant economic damage to Russia.
    An example of collusion of the economic collapse of the USSR does not allow them to sleep peacefully.
    Russia is unacceptable to lose Syria.
    If we lose Syria, we will lose Western petrodollars and the next loss will be the overlap of the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles, which will close the "window" of exit from the Black Sea, where the NATO fleet is already in charge.
  45. Cpa
    Cpa 6 September 2013 21: 27
    +2
    Great spectacles, world destinies
    We are delivered by the audience today:
    Original bloody enemies
    Uniting, go against Russia:
    The fire of war swept half the world
    And lit up with a sinister glow
    The acts of the powers of peace ...

    Turned into a disgrace of hostility
    Sea and land ... slow and dull
    Masses of ships moved toward us,
    Boastfully predicting our doom,
    And finally came closer - they stand
    Before the fortified Russian stronghold ...
    And now in the urn fatal
    Two lots ... and the time comes
    When the solver of peace and war
    Will cast them out with an omnipotent hand
    And show the shocked light.
    14 1854 June
    N.A. Nekrasov.
    1. lecturer
      lecturer 6 September 2013 22: 09
      +2
      Thank you brother! And I forgot something old already ...
      1. Cpa
        Cpa 6 September 2013 23: 33
        +1
        Quote: morpod
        Thank you brother! And I forgot something old already ...


        Very glad hi I am sure that our mentality will save us.
  46. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 6 September 2013 21: 31
    0
    <<< In all this action, the main goal of the West is not Syria. Syria is just an obstacle that needs to be removed. And the goals are Russia and China. ”>>>
    Absolutely right! It seems that the West, along with accomplices - the Arab monarchies and Turkey have already invested so much in the implementation of their plan that, failing with their Syrian opposition and the horde of cannibals - Islamists engaged to them, the cannon is already heading through, as they say, biting the bit, violating all laws, norms of law and morality and are already going directly themselves (with someone else's hands it does not work) to start military action against Syria, thereby committing an act of AGGRESSION against a sovereign state! And this process will become irreversible, unless the rest of the world, which is not included in the circle of "friends of Syria", does not have the strength to seriously warn the presumptuous crap-makers that they will bear responsibility for the consequences of their intervention, which may turn out to be UNACCEPTABLE for themselves!
  47. orek
    orek 6 September 2013 22: 37
    0
    Quote: gammipapa
    Before the start of the American bombing, Assad needs to make a clear statement so that everyone can hear. If America hits at least one missile on the territory of Syria, then the Syrian army will immediately use chemical weapons on the territory of bandit formations in the territory of its state. There are no and cannot be a peaceful population among the concentration of militants, there can only be accomplices and they made their choice.

    for a minute.! the use of chemical weapons is one of the gravest war crimes. After your advice, the furry animal will not creep up, but will come instantly for the current Syrian government. And what trump cards against Russia and the allies will the tang and all, all, all receive.
    Save and save the respected ASADA from your "advice". Are you proposing to arrange a "scorched earth" tactic on the territory temporarily occupied by the enemy ??? I'm scared.
  48. vair
    vair 6 September 2013 22: 43
    +1
    Quote: Boricello
    Their strength is immeasurable, denezhkov too, and against scrap there is no reception if there is no other scrap. And then it does not exist in Russia.

    When I meet a boor on the street, I don’t give a damn about his complexion, although I’m not a giant myself, I will always give a fight back, even to hand-to-hand combat, and noting this, not everyone decides to escalate.
    Our strength is in a tough, consistent position, and do not care that the forces are not even, let them fear our determination to go all the way.
  49. vvvvv
    vvvvv 6 September 2013 23: 19
    +3
    Eb.a.s.y. western tv.a.r.i. - may they be damned! God, if you exist, make sure that in future reincarnations these bbl.yu.d.k.i always reincarnate as victims and suffer the torment of everyone whom they killed directly or indirectly! Amen!
  50. vair
    vair 6 September 2013 23: 28
    +2
    Quote: Boricello
    Their strength is immeasurable, denezhkov too, and against scrap there is no reception if there is no other scrap.

    When I encounter rudeness, I don’t give a damn about its dimensions, I will fight back, up to melee, without thinking about the outcome, although I’m not a giant myself. And believe me, not everyone is trying to continue.
    Our strength is in a tough and consistent position, and let them fear our willingness to go all the way.
    1. atalef
      atalef 7 September 2013 11: 47
      -3
      By the way, I have one simple question for forum users. If it is really proved that Assad used WMD against civilians (maybe of course with a certain number of militants inside), it might even simplify the question — he used WMD against militants (and this will be proved by the UN commission). How does this relate to him and what actions should Russia take? ?
      1. The Indian Joe
        The Indian Joe 7 September 2013 13: 42
        +2
        In order to ponder this issue, it is necessary to decide how it relates to Israel, which used phosphorus shells against the civilian population (with a certain number of militants inside)?

        And the UN, I believe, will prove everything that America tells her. White powder tube and CIA data to help you ...
        1. atalef
          atalef 7 September 2013 14: 17
          0
          Quote: Injun Joe
          In order to ponder this issue, it is necessary to decide how it relates to Israel, which used phosphorus shells against the civilian population (with a certain number of militants inside)?
          Learn the mathematical part. Phosphoric (lighting ammunition) is not a WMD and is not prohibited for use.
          Quote: Injun Joe
          And the UN, I believe, will prove everything that America tells her. White powder tube and CIA data to help you ...

          You have a strange approach. When it is convenient for you, you are happy to refer to the UN (phosphorus ammunition in Gaza). When you are not happy, no. The fact that Russia does not recognize the use of chemical weapons in Syria is understandable. Although
          Heads of defense departments of the European Union recognized the fact of using chemical weapons in Syria and condemned it, said Lithuanian Minister of National Defense Juozas Olekas on Friday, RIA Novosti writes.

          Already more than 50 countries have recognized that chemical weapons were used in Syria, although not everyone is ready to admit it publicly, US Secretary of State John Kerry said on Wednesday.
          "We have contacted more than 100 countries. We continue to contact them. Fifty-three countries or organizations have admitted that the use of chemical weapons has taken place. Thirty-seven of them said so publicly,"

          Among them are both France and England, not beloved in Russia, and Germany and Italy, beloved. What to do about it?
          1. largus886
            largus886 7 September 2013 15: 58
            0
            Do you think that VV Putin is a complete stupid person, that would be so substituted! He probably has neither intelligence nor advisers leading this topic; he probably believed Assad's word. The KGB in those days did not keep idiots
            1. atalef
              atalef 7 September 2013 20: 05
              0
              Quote: largus886
              Do you think that VV Putin is a complete stupid person, that would be so substituted!
              so there is no way out. Assad simply framed him, don’t you?

              Quote: largus886
              He probably has neither intelligence nor advisers leading this topic; he probably believed Assad's word. The KGB in those days did not keep idiots

              As I think in intelligence
              The text of the statement, which was previously signed by Australia, Canada, France, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Saudi Arabia, Spain, Turkey, the United Kingdom and the USA, was proposed for signing on Friday by the White House.

              "German Chancellor Angela Merkel and I decided to support the GXNUMX joint statement," Westerwelle said.

              Thus, Germany became the twelfth country that signed a statement demanding a tough reaction from the international community to the use of chemical weapons in Syria even in the absence of a UN Security Council mandate.

              Or do you think that they all dance to the American tune?
              even if
              Iranian news agency Iranian News Agency published a sensational statement by former President Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, a close political ally of current President Hassan Rohani.
              According to the publication, Rafsanjani accused the Assad regime of using chemical weapons against its own people. Until now, none of the members of the top political leadership of Iran made such statements. Officially, the Islamic Republic puts the blame for the "provocation" with a chemical attack on the enemies of Assad.

              Too many American puppets? Even in Iran.
      2. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 7 September 2013 15: 00
        +1
        If it really is proven that Assad used WMD

        Do you yourself believe in that? Or so ... to ruin the air?
        1. atalef
          atalef 7 September 2013 15: 48
          0
          Quote: Peaceful military
          Do you yourself believe in that? Or so ... to ruin the air?

          I admit this thought, the question is pure (even if it is hypothetical). Many of the same do not allow the thought that their wife is walking, but nonetheless they calculate the options and possible reaction
          So . someone will answer the question
          How should Russia behave if Assad’s use of WMD is proven.
          Well, show your analytical skills laughing
      3. atalef
        atalef 7 September 2013 15: 46
        0
        Quote: atalef
        By the way, I have one simple question for forum users. If it is really proved that Assad used WMD against civilians (maybe of course with a certain number of militants inside), it might even simplify the question — he used WMD against militants (and this will be proved by the UN commission). How does this relate to him and what actions should Russia take? ?

        Strange, well, people, minus sculpt. but no one can answer the simple question posed. In general, about those who say that Assad could never use WMDs ---- Never say --- NEVER.
        Everything is possible.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 8 September 2013 01: 31
          +4
          Quote: atalef
          By the way, I have one simple question for forum users. If it is really proved that Assad used WMD against civilians (maybe of course with a certain number of militants inside), it might even simplify the question — he used WMD against militants (and this will be proved by the UN commission). How does this relate to him and what actions should Russia take? ?

          Your question is provocative.
          Where is the evidence with which you and your friends are shaking the air?
          The problem, after all, is that starting a serious mess, the IDF will not save you - the situation is clearly getting out of control. And it’s blazing so that no one will seem a little.
      4. Victor 18
        Victor 18 8 September 2013 01: 21
        0
        Assad is unlikely to lose his mind to poison children. 100% is a provocation of amers, some photos of children lying in rows in the shrouds, and where it is another question. Other forums have links that this is a provocation.