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Missile cruiser of the Russian Navy instead of Cape Verde sent to the Mediterranean

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Missile cruiser of the Russian Navy instead of Cape Verde sent to the Mediterranean

Black Sea Missile Cruiser fleet "Moscow“nicknamed“ aircraft carrier killer ”in NATO, instead of the previously scheduled call at the port of Mindelo (Cape Verde) is sent to the Eastern Mediterranean.


A military-diplomatic source in Moscow told Interfax on Wednesday that the plans of the naval detachment under the command of Rear Admiral Valery Kulikov had to be changed. He explained that the plans of the campaign of the detachment of the Navy were laid out last year. “After the death of Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez, this ocean voyage did not carry any military-political burden. However, this was a valuable practice for the Russian fleet,” the military diplomat said.

In about ten days, the cruiser will enter the Eastern Mediterranean, where it will receive from the Pacific large anti-submarine ship Admiral Panteleyev the baton of the flagship of the operational connection of the Navy.
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  1. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 5 September 2013 10: 34
    12
    So one more directional sensation of a tough tangle is outlined.
    1. experienced
      experienced 5 September 2013 10: 39
      13
      Oh, it’s not just that it’s zhzhzhzhzhzh ... It seems that the Americans really will not back down and will bomb. I recall the times of the USSR, then they would not have allowed, but now the forces are not equal recourse
      1. tronin.maxim
        tronin.maxim 5 September 2013 10: 43
        11
        Quote: seasoned
        Oh, it’s not just that it’s zhzhzhzhzhzh ... It seems that the Americans really will not back down and will bomb. I recall the times of the USSR, then they would not have allowed, but now the forces are not equal

        We will fight not by numbers but by skill!
        1. elmi
          elmi 5 September 2013 10: 54
          +8
          Missile cruiser of the Russian Navy instead of Cape Verde sent to the Mediterranean

          With such a tense situation in Syria, our military ships must constantly be located off the coast of Syria, and not go on visits to different countries.
          1. mike_z
            mike_z 5 September 2013 11: 46
            +1
            So they went. Who could! Ie, both are two. In life, the Pacific Fleet did not control Mediterranean, but now ... This is because the Northern Fleet is extremely weakened. Will not close the aircraft carrier "Peter the Great" of all tasks in the world ocean, even together with "Kuznetsov". The sad thing is that the forces are not equal, and Putin will not give the command to use weapons. It would be crazy. But it's still good that at least "Moscow" was near, although 10 days is too much. We noticed that there was no one to send from Sevastopol, and there it was only 3 days. Our presence in Mediterranean is necessary, of course, but everything is so ruined that we can only talk about the evacuation of our property and people, in which case. And about that to scare ... I doubt it.
            1. Geisenberg
              Geisenberg 5 September 2013 15: 16
              +1
              Quote: mike_z
              The sad thing is that the forces are not equal, and Putin will not give a command to use weapons.


              Putin naturally will not. The order of the admiral, the commander of the grouping, is enough for a retaliatory strike and the admiral has such power by definition. This is also understood by 314ndos.
              1. mike_z
                mike_z 5 September 2013 15: 40
                0
                For the answer, yes. But Syria and I have no agreement on mutual protection of interests, as far as I know. And the blow to the ship grouping of NATO or the United States after their attack on Syria will not be a retaliatory, but simply a blow. This changes the matter. And they will not shoot at us.
              2. Uncle
                Uncle 5 September 2013 16: 13
                0
                Quote: Geisenberg
                Admiral’s order is enough to retaliate

                I wildly apologize, perhaps not to the topic, but if these admirals are of the same spill as the generals who commanded in Chechnya, then there can be no question of any opposition to the amers. There will be sailors at the level of Shamanov and Budanov, but this is not enough.
            2. andrejwz
              andrejwz 6 September 2013 06: 12
              +1
              And it never occurred to you that the ships are a cover and they themselves can repel a missile strike from the air from the sea, or do you think that the BDKs that entered the Mediterranean are empty? And launches in the direction of our naval group can be regarded as an attempt to attack.
        2. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 5 September 2013 10: 56
          +9
          most likely I’m thinking of not openly fighting, but for example providing intelligence about hi launches of "axes" Syria ...
          1. Jin
            Jin 5 September 2013 14: 38
            +2
            Quote: Andrey Yurievich
            most likely I think not to fight openly, but for example to provide intelligence data on launches of "axes" to Syria ...


            What for? These launches can be clearly seen from Armavir ... A purely psychological move in my opinion. It's one thing to commit robbery among your own kind, it's another when, albeit hypothetically, Russian missiles and barrels of naval AKs are constantly rested against your back ... and on radars all the time there are flares ... you won't be able to "relax" at all, and this is annoying and unnerving.
            1. Jin
              Jin 5 September 2013 20: 02
              +3
              One, put a minus ... I said nothing, respect the opinion, the second added. Both of you two, justify !!!! Let’s come here, we’ll explain what to whom and for what ... Here half a comment is frank nonsense: We hit the United States, knock down the tomahawks when they fly over our ships! Insanity, enrage already! Are we discussing a topic here or playing pussy-asses ??? Do you, those who write this, understand at least a little what you are writing about and what it is all about? Flood is cheap ... Flooders, do not flood, try to understand that this is a real world with real problems and a real problem in Syria. What about the fact that there would have been a USSR, and the proverb about the grandmother can not be recalled? There is no point! Hurley saliva come from? What is it that someone here, the most intelligent one, can seriously think that our ships are going there to transmit to the Syrians about the launch of the Tomahawks or can they flood a couple of Burley eagles? Or maybe AUG entirely right away? nonsense ... no words, everything left this branch slamming the door, inadequate ... minusers write, beyond the limits of holes ...
              1. Jin
                Jin 5 September 2013 20: 19
                +1
                And let our colleagues judge us, based on the results of the "negotiations" ... Well, where are you, Chihari ???
      2. Arberes
        Arberes 5 September 2013 10: 50
        +5
        Quote: seasoned
        I recall the times of the USSR, then they would not have allowed, but now the forces are not equal

        Yes, there was time to reckon with us. All the same, it is disgusting to feel weak!
        And the ideal option would be to stake out the coastal waters of Syria with their ships and stay there as long as needed. Cruisers were needed there yesterday!
        1. artemiy
          artemiy 5 September 2013 11: 37
          +3
          To see the sunken American aircraft carriers, mmmmm ... it's just a dream!
          1. Egen
            Egen 5 September 2013 16: 00
            0
            Quote: artemiy
            To see the sunken American aircraft carriers, mmmmm ... it's just a dream!

            none of the atomic ones has drowned yet, and in the Mediterranean the last was Arc-Royal 70 years ago ... To find out how much stronger the "grandchildren" were, it was worth living :)
          2. Jin
            Jin 5 September 2013 20: 59
            +3
            Quote: artemiy
            see the sunken American aircraft carriers, mmmmm ... it's just a dream!


            And my dream is not sunk American aircraft carriers, but they, only leaving the shores of Syria, humiliated and sent where Makar did not chase geese, tail between his legs and drooping mane, folding the wings of "hornets" and "super hornets", sadly chasing into the home port ... That's what I understand, victory ... Fists are the lot of fools and drunks ... there are plenty of examples ... If they could, then they would be able to do them in any way, without sacrifices and destruction. AEROBATICS!!! But alas, and ah (((Sad ...
      3. Tersky
        Tersky 5 September 2013 11: 14
        +4
        Quote: seasoned
        . I recall the times of the USSR, then they would not have allowed, but now the forces are not equal

        Ten days of the move .. the summit of the 9th, ends in three days, 12.09 maximum., Today is the 5th. Bottom line - will come to a hat analysis ...
        1. experienced
          experienced 5 September 2013 11: 16
          +2
          Quote: Tersky
          Ten days of the move .. the summit of the 9th, ends in three days at most 12.09., Today is the 5th. The result will come to a hat analysis ...

          Yes, it has long been clear to everyone that Russia will not fight on the side of Assad, there is most likely psychological support for the Syrian soldiers, like: "Russia is with us, it is pulling up its strength." hi
          1. Tersky
            Tersky 5 September 2013 11: 37
            +4
            Quote: seasoned
            there is likely psychological support for the Syrian soldiers,

            I think they will be able to support only by tracking and transmitting data to the Syrian missile defense system of launches of "axes" ...,
        2. Andrey_K
          Andrey_K 5 September 2013 11: 37
          +1
          to cap analysis

          Yes, in three days no one will get anything special.
          We must first let the amers make the first move.
          And they plan to bomb continuously for 2 months.
          But after three days you can declare the evacuation of Russian (and other) citizens by sea.
          To do this, a landing ship moors to the coast, and another group covers it.
          And of course, she will not let cruise missiles pass through herself.
          Or maybe he’ll cover some Russian citizens in Damascus?
          Evacuation is not an easy and long business.
        3. Egen
          Egen 5 September 2013 16: 02
          0
          Quote: Tersky
          Bottom line - will come to a hat analysis ...

          Well, why, in 1, missiles fly far, and in 2, the Russian strategy of cruising showed itself in 18, there’s always a place to shoot :)
      4. Mairos
        Mairos 5 September 2013 12: 13
        +2
        Yes, no one is going to fight with the amers. Rather, they will detect missile launches and their flight directions and merge the Syrians.
        1. Egen
          Egen 5 September 2013 16: 04
          +1
          Quote: Mairos
          Yes, no one is going to fight with the amers. Rather, they will detect missile launches and their flight directions and merge the Syrians.

          Hmm ... But there's nothing to bring down? To become so under the shore on the path of the rocket, they say, to scatter your scattered here! :)
      5. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 5 September 2013 15: 14
        +1
        Quote: seasoned
        Oh, it’s not just that it’s zhzhzhzhzhzh ... It seems that the Americans really will not back down and will bomb. I recall the times of the USSR, then they would not have allowed, but now the forces are not equal recourse


        Is there a problem in the equality of forces? Previously, any of our warships could stop iteration. I don’t see why this is not possible now. I have a suspicion that now it is even more relevant than before. Americans now just do not have to bear losses, even the expected losses put an end to any of their undertaking. Even if just the captain stumbles and smashes his nose the stock is recognized as unsuccessful. This is a war for the power of puppeteers and it is waged on the verge of reason. You won’t understand where the PR campaign is and where the capital investments ... The Syrians just need to sink one, and better two American destroyers and the bombing will immediately go into the category of theories.
        1. mike_z
          mike_z 5 September 2013 15: 49
          0
          Quote: Geisenberg
          Previously, any of our warships could stop iteration. I don’t see why it’s not possible now

          That was before. Behind any of our warships was a whole squadron, at least, or even a flotilla. And now there will not be enough of the whole Navy (there are no strategists to launch for a local conflict). But even then the intervention was not stopped by the ship, but by our country, the USSR! Russia so far ... - only if through diplomatic efforts.
      6. Oleg14774
        Oleg14774 5 September 2013 16: 53
        +3
        Quote: seasoned
        and now the forces are not equal

        NPS equalize! So this is a game of nerves. And the nerves of V.V.P. strong, and our sailors have always been the most daring, the best, the most devoted to the homeland. Kowtow to them (OUR SEAFARERS)! And amers know this very well. There were practices of crowding out of our territory. The country is called differently, but the people stayed there the same!
      7. andrejwz
        andrejwz 6 September 2013 06: 02
        0
        Quote: seasoned
        Oh, it’s not just that it’s zhzhzhzhzhzh ... It seems that the Americans really will not back down and will bomb. I recall the times of the USSR, then they would not have allowed, but now the forces are not equal recourse

        Yeah, "And Lenin is quite young ...", well, and you, probably, Fesunenko.
    2. denson06
      denson06 5 September 2013 11: 18
      0
      In about ten days, the cruiser will enter the Eastern Mediterranean, where it will receive from the Pacific large anti-submarine ship Admiral Panteleyev the baton of the flagship of the operational connection of the Navy.

      Are there these 10 days in stock? ... request
  2. Quiet
    Quiet 5 September 2013 10: 34
    -7
    So what's next ?? The news is about nothing ... request
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 5 September 2013 11: 11
      15
      Quote: Quiet
      So what's next ??

      And then the fact that our guys go there, possibly with a risk to their lives. May God give them back to all alive and healthy and as much as possible to spoil the mood of the Yankees.
  3. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 5 September 2013 10: 39
    +3
    Hurries to pat the nerves of our American comrades. And then the guys there feel free.
    1. Quiet
      Quiet 5 September 2013 11: 02
      0
      And then the guys there feel free.

      Apparently getting kicks and after the demobilization shoot their civilians with them at ease. tradition ??
  4. Canep
    Canep 5 September 2013 10: 45
    +7
    Maybe it was better to send the entire nuclear submarine fleet of Russia, including strategic missile carriers, to the US shores. According to the reaction of the US Navy, one could judge what is more important than Obama, protect the US Population, or bomb Syria.
    1. soaring
      soaring 5 September 2013 10: 57
      -1
      But this is the right argument to mattresses !!!! And the reaction would not be unambiguous !!! Would describe accurately and forget about Syria very quickly lol wink
    2. Quiet
      Quiet 5 September 2013 11: 06
      +5
      Maybe it was better to send the entire nuclear submarine fleet of Russia, including strategic missile carriers, to the US shores

      Alas !! hi Dreaming is not harmful! Nobody will do it .... request
      1. mike_z
        mike_z 5 September 2013 11: 51
        0
        Quote: Quiet
        Dreaming is not harmful! Nobody will do it ....

        It's right. It won’t go, because there’s no one to go with electric current. The fleet collapsed, with ... Obaki, and now we sip tears over the ocean fleet of a great country. And we dream ... I hope, of course, that dreams will come true. Still, something is being built.
      2. krasin
        krasin 5 September 2013 20: 31
        +1
        And who said that our submarines are not there !! ??? They are invisibly present wink
    3. ziqzaq
      ziqzaq 5 September 2013 12: 19
      +8
      Quote: Canep
      Maybe it was better to send the entire nuclear submarine fleet of Russia, including strategic missile carriers, to the US shores

      This is unlikely, although if you dream:
      American Press Report - "Our Scientists Are Observing An Unexplained Rise in World Ocean Levels" ....
      White House, Oval Office. Standing at the window, smiling at something B. Obama, Chuck Hagel sits at the table and with trembling hands tries to collect crumbling pieces of paper. John Kerry runs nervously around the office.
      "Where were you looking ????" - Kerry yells heart-rendingly.
      "It was at the UN that Ban Ki-moon's birthday was celebrated, the bastards got drunk in the morning and the mistake came out, in the UN resolution on allowing the strike on Syria, instead of Syria, the United States entered ..." - Chuck Hagel whispers while biting his lip.
      "Yeprst, what to do? And what about the rising sea level?" - continues to yell Kerry.
      "So the Chinese took the resolution literally, urgently ramped up the production of fins, masks and wetsuits and now, in small groups of a million people, are crossing the Pacific Ocean, tentative arrival in 4 hours ..." - Chuck Hagel replies barely audibly.
      Here comes the adviser and says:
      "Alaska announced its entry into the Customs Union. They asked to convey that this is a business, nothing personal."
      "Ah! Ah! Ah! Maze faka" - cursed Kerry and turning to the president:
      "Why are you smiling? The Russians and the Chinese will fuck us, so it won't seem a little, although what to take from you, that death for a man is a pleasure for a fagot" ....... And outside the window, autumn began, and in the place the end to the beast state of America began with her ..........
      1. Canep
        Canep 5 September 2013 19: 34
        0
        Quote: ziqzaq
        "Alaska announced its entry into the Customs Union. They asked to convey that this is a business, nothing personal."

        +++++++ wassat laughing
    4. Egen
      Egen 5 September 2013 16: 08
      +1
      Quote: Canep
      Maybe it was better to send the entire nuclear submarine fleet of Russia, including strategic missile carriers, to the US shores.

      What for? Rockets hit from afar, that's the point not to come close, where it is easier to spot. But from the point of view of politics, you are right, if suddenly "accidentally" our submarines here and there all over the ball surfaced so that they were "accidentally" spotted, it would be interesting to look at the muzzles in Congress or there in the Senate :)
  5. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 5 September 2013 10: 51
    10
    Good! The direction of "Moscow" is not bad, but the main direction and further development of events will be on the G 20. I feel that if they start bombing, it will be the Russian-Chinese currency!
    1. Quiet
      Quiet 5 September 2013 11: 07
      +2
      be Russian-Chinese currency!

      It will take place anyway !!!!
  6. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 5 September 2013 11: 02
    +8
    Quote: seasoned
    I recall the times of the USSR, then they would not have allowed, but now the forces are not equal

    Our forces were unequal with both Napoleon and Hitler. One was exiled to the island, the other brought to suicide. What will we do with the next?
    1. matross
      matross 5 September 2013 11: 13
      +3
      Quote: Sergei Medvedev
      What will we do with the next?

      Coat with tar, roll in feathers and hang! Earlier in America, the puppeteers knew well what to do with daring niggaz! am
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 5 September 2013 11: 45
        +2
        Quote: matRoss
        Coat with tar, roll in feathers and hang!

        Useless No. , black to black is zero ... yes, feathers do not stick to "roosters", and hanging is not tolerant for the UN wink
        1. Vlad 1965
          Vlad 1965 5 September 2013 13: 52
          +1
          Then, in plain terms, an aspen stake, greased with salidol and planted, Nehai thinks, why so bad. am
    2. Quiet
      Quiet 5 September 2013 11: 30
      +3
      What will we do with the next?

      Send to Ukraine in an eternal link and feed only lard (which I adore). And after death, wrap it in a "cozy pork skin" and bury it in the Baskunchak salt lake !!! (he calls himself a Muslim) !!! wassat wassat
  7. mr.Bear
    mr.Bear 5 September 2013 11: 03
    +8
    Quote: Dwarfik
    Good! The direction of "Moscow" is not bad, but the main direction and further development of events will be on the G 20. I feel that if they start bombing, it will be the Russian-Chinese currency!

    East is a delicate matter. As a result, only one currency can come out - Chinese.
    The Russian Federation, as always, has only 2 allies.

    And as for the G-20, you correctly noticed. This is where the war will be now-the war of languages ​​/ minds. Either about choking, or break through.
    1. Quiet
      Quiet 5 September 2013 11: 36
      0
      war of languages ​​/ minds

      The war of our (Russian) mind against their rough language, which you will not allow to wipe even after the "action" on the toilet ...
    2. Egen
      Egen 5 September 2013 16: 11
      0
      Quote: Mr.Bear
      And as for the G-20, you correctly noticed. This is where the war will be now-the war of languages ​​/ minds. Either about choking, or break through

      Hmm ... in general, as far as I participated in organizing such games, everything is pre-painted up to what color with a pen who likes to sign documents ... But here it seems that different scenarios are rehearsed, we will look and hope ...
  8. RUS96
    RUS96 5 September 2013 11: 03
    -1
    It's time.
  9. Tuzik
    Tuzik 5 September 2013 11: 09
    +3
    the role of the fleet is reconnaissance, testing of equipment in a combat (real) situation, let them train
    1. mike_z
      mike_z 5 September 2013 11: 53
      0
      Quote: Tuzik
      let them train

      And what else remains ...
    2. Quiet
      Quiet 5 September 2013 13: 12
      0
      the role of the fleet

      Protection of the borders of the motherland in the sea, will be trained at the base !!!!
  10. Cormorants
    Cormorants 5 September 2013 11: 09
    +1
    The killer of aircraft carriers is the TARK project 1144 "Orlan", and the GRRK "Moskva" does not have many other weapons.
    But in any case, the news is good, and the amers will be nervous in any situation, it’s ours.
    1. DEfindER
      DEfindER 5 September 2013 12: 19
      0
      Quote: Cormorants
      The killer of aircraft carriers is the TARK project 1144 "Orlan", and the GRRK "Moskva" does not have many other weapons.

      I agree, but in terms of armament, it’s somehow not clear why our ships do not have cruise missiles of the X-55 type (analogue of an ax) with a range of 2500 km, all available anti-ship missiles with a range of 300 km, and our fleet will not allow such a distance. All Amer’s ships have tomahawks, and they can hit from far away with impunity, can anyone tell us what the tactics of abandoning long-range missiles in our fleet are?
      1. 11 black
        11 black 5 September 2013 13: 10
        0
        Quote: DEfindER
        I agree, but in terms of armament, it’s somehow not clear why our ships do not have cruise missiles of the X-55 type (analogue of an ax) with a range of 2500 km, all available anti-ship missiles with a range of 300 km, and our fleet will not allow such a distance. All Amer’s ships have tomahawks, and they can hit from far away with impunity, can anyone tell us what the tactics of abandoning long-range missiles in our fleet are?

        as it is not - the armament of all ships equipped with the UKSK include "Caliber" missiles with a range of 2500 km for work "on the ground", and a range of 300 kilometers is an export option, our range is much greater. By the way, the armament of the same Peter includes 20 P700 missiles with a launch range of 700 km ... so we have everything!
        1. DEfindER
          DEfindER 5 September 2013 16: 07
          0
          Quote: 11 black
          the armament of all ships equipped with the UKSK includes "Caliber" missiles with a range of 2500 km for work "on the ground",

          Maybe I’m not looking there, but according to Wikipedia, Caliber and Clab have a range of 300 km. (it is not said about the export option). The analogue of the ax is only X-55 but it is not included in the armament of our fleet .. And the Volcano, yes, 700 km, but it is far from 2500 km.
      2. PSih2097
        PSih2097 5 September 2013 14: 35
        0
        Quote: DEfindER
        it’s not clear why our ships do not have cruise missiles of the X-55 type (analogue of an ax) with a range of 2500 km, all available anti-ship missiles with a range of 300 km,

        on "Moscow" as well as on "Varyag" installed anti-ship missile system P-1000 "Vulcan" launch range up to 700 kilometers, used warheads: combined warhead (cumulative and high-explosive), weighing 500 kilograms, penetrates armor up to 400 mm. To destroy one aircraft carrier, three missile hits are required; nuclear warhead, power 350 kt.
      3. Army1
        Army1 5 September 2013 17: 13
        +1
        Quote: DEfindER
        Quote: Cormorants
        The killer of aircraft carriers is the TARK project 1144 "Orlan", and the GRRK "Moskva" does not have many other weapons.

        I agree, but in terms of armament, it’s somehow not clear why our ships do not have cruise missiles of the X-55 type (analogue of an ax) with a range of 2500 km, all available anti-ship missiles with a range of 300 km, and our fleet will not allow such a distance. All Amer’s ships have tomahawks, and they can hit from far away with impunity, can anyone tell us what the tactics of abandoning long-range missiles in our fleet are?

        I explain:
        Since the Soviet era, the concept of using our fleet was as follows: fleet against fleet. The Yankees have long decided to go where they do not need and for this they need to have a shock component in the form of Tomahawks. Their fleet is more inclined against land, well, or the coast. This laid the foundation for the construction of new ships, the whole trick is in a unified shipborne vertical launch launcher, modern Russian small missile ships, boats, corvettes, frigates and destroyers will be equipped with it, in our case it is called "CALIBR", on which installation is possible supersonic anti-ship missiles, anti-submarine and subsonic missiles of the sea-to-surface class of increased range (most likely their range, like the tomahawks of 1600 km and 2500 km in nuclear equipment due to the reduction of the warhead.) And these missiles will not be used against ships, they are simply ineffective against them, so you were wrong when you wrote that they would not let us in.
        300 km, or rather 375 km range of modern Russian anti-ship missiles, which is very good, in turn, "stupid" American harpoons that do not have such brains as Russian missiles have a range of 90-220-280, depending on target designation.
        For example, look at the cruiser "Peter the Great", it will not be able to deliver anything against the coast, although the P 700 seems to be able to shoot according to some information, but still not that, and 20 missiles are not enough. And Arlie Burke can fire up to 90 Tomahawks, although to the detriment of his air defense system (cells MK-41) are intended for both anti-aircraft missiles and Tomahawks.
        But I doubt that in the event of a conflict, 10-15 American destroyers without air cover will approach the "Peter" closer than 500 km. For sadness can all end for the stars-polasatik.
        1. DEfindER
          DEfindER 5 September 2013 17: 47
          0
          Quote: Army1
          in our case, it is called "CALIBR", on which it is possible to install supersonic anti-ship missiles, anti-submarine and subsonic missiles of the sea-to-surface class of increased range (most likely their range, like the tomahawks of 1600 km and 2500 km in nuclear equipment due to reducing the warhead.) And these missiles will not be used against ships, they are simply ineffective against them

          Thank you for the detailed answer, but it’s just not entirely clear why a tomahawk flying 2000 km to the target and capable of destroying some kind of headquarters, bunker or locator cannot just as well hit a ship? What prevents amers from firing us with long-range axes from a safe distance? In addition, as I understand it, CALIBER missiles of a similar range are not yet in service with us.
          1. Army1
            Army1 5 September 2013 20: 47
            +1
            Quote: DEfindER
            Thanks for the detailed answer

            Not at all.
            Quote: DEfindER
            why a tomahawk flying 2000 km to the target and capable of destroying some kind of headquarters, bunker or locator, cannot just as well hit a ship?

            Well, of course it all depends on the guidance system, almost all, if not all Tomahawks are equipped with DSMAC which basically directs the missile, in this system pictures of the terrain and the target.
            There was one modification of the anti-ship Tomahawk RGM / UGM-109B Tomahawk Anti-Ship Missile (TASM), with a spear like a harpoon, a range of 450 km, BUT there is a BUT, a subsonic missile and because of this, the ship could take about half an hour to fly leave the area of ​​concentration (simply swim away). And this is 450 km, I'm not talking about 2000 km. Plus, due to the low speed, the rocket could not perform anti-aircraft maneuver. For an experienced crew, even 20 or 30 of these missiles is like training and honestly, without any patriotism, it was very primitive. Therefore, it was removed from service.
            Quote: DEfindER
            In addition, as I understand it, CALIBER missiles of a similar range are not yet in service with us.

            Yes, now there is an active purchase of new ones and modernization, re-equipment of surface ships and submarines.
            Sincerely.
  11. Ross
    Ross 5 September 2013 11: 11
    +1
    Quote: tronin.maxim
    So one more directional sensation of a tough tangle is outlined.

    I would not be late ... In 10 days, it is only expected
    1. Edward72
      Edward72 5 September 2013 11: 17
      0
      It will come that in order to collect the carcasses of amers, of course these are only dreams, but what the devil does not joke about.
  12. Russ69
    Russ69 5 September 2013 11: 21
    +1
    Although everyone explains the rotation, but as a result, the grouping increased by 4 ships.
  13. morprepud
    morprepud 5 September 2013 11: 26
    +1
    The missile cruiser of the Black Sea Fleet "Moskva", nicknamed by NATO "the killer of aircraft carriers", instead of the earlier planned call at the port of Mindelo (Cape Verde), is sent to the Eastern Mediterranean.

    Nothing pleases more than the failure of "friends"!
  14. Jogan-xnumx
    Jogan-xnumx 5 September 2013 11: 36
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    Everything is correct. To the Persian Gulf or the Red Sea also does not prevent something serious pull up. As part of the fight against pirates, for example. lol
  15. maksim
    maksim 5 September 2013 12: 15
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    there he has no place for warships in camping trips)))
  16. left-wing
    left-wing 5 September 2013 13: 08
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    And the Chinese are pushing their ships next, they also want to see what will happen.
  17. Kipish
    Kipish 5 September 2013 13: 43
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    Quote: DEfindER
    Quote: Cormorants
    The killer of aircraft carriers is the TARK project 1144 "Orlan", and the GRRK "Moskva" does not have many other weapons.

    I agree, but in terms of armament, it’s somehow not clear why our ships do not have cruise missiles of the X-55 type (analogue of an ax) with a range of 2500 km, all available anti-ship missiles with a range of 300 km, and our fleet will not allow such a distance. All Amer’s ships have tomahawks, and they can hit from far away with impunity, can anyone tell us what the tactics of abandoning long-range missiles in our fleet are?

    I consider the Eagles to be killers, because they have powerful air defense and, as it were, airplanes from the AUG shoot it, they also have guns that hit 700 km in excess of sound with an armored head part (which the AK-630 with a 30 mm biret strode, not like their phalanx with 20mm), tomahawks are intended for static purposes, but not for warblers, they have a harpoon with anti-punitive harpoon with a range of 120 km at subsonic speed)
    1. Patriot8482
      Patriot8482 5 September 2013 15: 58
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      Quite right, tomahawks are not designed to "work" on ships.
      1. Egen
        Egen 5 September 2013 16: 19
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        Quote: Patriot8482
        Quite right, tomahawks are not designed to "work" on ships.

        - but in terms of areas, and when a bunch of ships gathered on the spot near Syria, and Tomahawk with a nuclear warhead - what difference does it make :(
        According to the performance characteristics, the "Moscow" is equipped with an improved Basalt - "Volcano" with a range of 550 km and a warhead of 500 kg, and this is an anti-ship missile, not a winged one, and there are 16 of them - so there should be enough for an aircraft carrier ...
  18. Siberian
    Siberian 5 September 2013 15: 29
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    Quote: seasoned
    Oh, it’s not just that it’s zhzhzhzhzhzh ... It seems that the Americans really will not back down and will bomb. I recall the times of the USSR, then they would not have allowed, and now the forces are not equal recourse
    That's just the point, these world cops feel their impunity, and here they are ruining entire states and peoples in their personal interests request
  19. shinobi
    shinobi 5 September 2013 18: 51
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    Alone, of course, we will not pull the Yankees fleet. Contrary to their propaganda, it is not so cool modern. It's just that they have a lot of all kinds of iron floating purely quantitatively. Only the Chinese sent something there, the Iranians began to stir. Actually, if that pair of our intelligence ships and monitoring what I think, then all is still assumed, the blow with axes will be just a very expensive fireworks. Tomahawks were still created for other purposes and a special result, judging by Libya and Iraq, is not worth waiting for. Although this is a relatively accurate weapon, but only for stationary For a well-fortified bunker, it is no longer effective, unlike the same Iskander or Tochka of various modifications with their anti-bunker missile options. But this is by the way. Our ship group is more likely to protect these reconnaissance ships and future convoys with military equipment for Assad. hi
  20. GDP
    GDP 6 September 2013 09: 21
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    Maybe we can help the Syrians even with intelligence ... Or maybe with the interception of tamahawks, if they fly in dangerously close proximity ...
  21. Bogdarin
    Bogdarin 7 September 2013 05: 45
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    Our tactics are correct. It's like in life - a bunch of hefty hooligans around the corner send an impudent youngster - who will call everyone passing - and try to say something in her direction - a group in caps falls out from around the corner, hands in pockets. This I mean - that "Moscow" and any other ship performs the role of a sort of "youngster", and the pin-dos understand perfectly well what attacks in her direction are fraught with.
  22. pvv113
    pvv113 8 September 2013 00: 06
    +6
    AND WHY EVERYBODY CONSIDERS THAT THE PARTICIPATION OF RUSSIA WILL BE LIMITED TO ONLY THE FLEET DEMONSTRATION? THE ARMED FORCES BY ONE FLEET IS NOT LIMITED