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Polish Krab SAUs will receive Turkish SAU T-155 Firtina cases

At the 2 2013, the international defense exhibition MSPO 21, which opened in September in Kielce (Poland), the Polish enterprise Huta Stalowa Wola (HSW) and the Turkish company MKEK signed an agreement on the use of the MKEC-made armored hull and a running gear of the Turkish 2013-mm self-propelled T-XNNM mm howitzer T-XNNX mm T-XNNX self-propelled howitzer T-XNNX mm T-XNNM mm self-propelled turbo 155-mm self-propelled howitzer T-XNNX mm T-XNNMX X-mmX Firtina on the Polish 155-mm self-propelled howitzer Krab, produced by HSW.

Creating 155-mm / 52 self-propelled howitzer Krab is one of the long-term programs of the Polish defense industry. The ACS is an armored HSW development chassis with an installed licensed tower of the British 155-mm self-propelled howitzer AS90 (the tower was developed by Vickers as early as 1980-s) with a 155-mm / 52 swinging part produced by Nexter Systems of France. The first eight Krab ACSs (the battery pack - two prototypes and the first six serials) were delivered to the Polish Army in September 2012. Under the terms of the contracts concluded by the Ministry of National Defense of Poland with HSW in May 2008 and June 2011, the delivery of the first Krab division kit in the number of 2015 units is expected by the end of October 24. However, after the delivery of these eight systems, the delivery of the remaining 16 howitzers was in doubt.

The first serial Polish 155-mm / 52 self-propelled howitzer Krab in the 11-th Mazury artillery regiment named after General Jozef Bem Polish Army.

As reported by Jane's Defense Weekly magazine in Remigiusz Wilk "MSPO 2013: Poland signs agreement for Turkish T-155 Firtina hulls for Krab SPA," it became impossible to equip the planned KRA with the S16U Polish diesel engine used on the first models with the S12U Polish diesel engine - because the engine is not produced from the 2009 of the year, and the PZL Wola plant that produced it is closed. The German MTU-881 KA 500 diesel engine proposed as an alternative requires a larger engine-transmission compartment and does not fit in the chassis of the HSW. On top of that, in 2010, in the Polish factory Bumar Labedy, the first serial Krab armored hulls had microcracks in the armor plates. It is reported that HSW made a financial claim to Bumar Labedy in 15,5 million for the supply of low-quality armored corpses. In July, 2012, Bumar Labedy acknowledged his responsibility and expressed his willingness to reimburse the marriage.

Under these conditions, nothing was left but to refuse to use the Krab armored hull and chassis manufactured by HSW. As a result, the aforementioned agreement was signed with the ICEC for the supply for manufacturing 16 ordered by the Polish Ministry of National Defense SAU Krab armored hulls and running gears from the Turkish 155-mm / 52 self-propelled howitzer T-155 Firtina (representing the licensed version of the South Korean SAU K9 Thunder). The T-155 Firtina uses the MTU-881 KA 500 diesel engine on a regular basis.

The article states that, in view of the fact that the British tower from AS90 used on Krab is heavier than the standard Firtina tower, it will take quite serious work to integrate it into the Turkish corps. In this case, the ammunition transported will be reduced from 60 shots to 40. In addition, for 16 manufactured Krab 155-mm / 52 swinging parts will be ordered from the German group Rheinmetall instead of the French Nexter.

Thus, now all 16 ordered Krab SAUs will be completed with Turkish hulls. It is unclear whether HSW will acquire a license for the production of hulls and running gears from ICEC for the next planned to release ACS, or whether it will be limited to acquiring ready-made ones.

The first eight SAUs of the Crab, handed over to the Polish army in September 2012 of the year, have already completed the first stage of military tests and will be returned to HSW in September 2013 of the year for modifications and modifications. It remains unclear whether Bumar Labedy will repair or replace defective armor plates at the first ACS, or simply pay for the replacement of their defective armored corps with Turkish corps - which will require complete rework of the first cars, which in fact will only have a tower.

Comment bmpd. This история clearly demonstrates the very low level of modern Polish defense industry, for which even the manufacture of a small number of relatively simple chassis for self-propelled guns presents serious difficulties. With the purchase of Turkish chassis, the same Krab self-propelled guns finally turns into a “designer” of imported components (and wouldn’t it be easier then just to buy ready-made Firtina in Turkey?). In light of this, the true value and the degree of realizability of the “concepts” of constantly developed and demonstrated “Poland” models of promising armored vehicles can be clearly seen - from the notorious Anders to a supposedly promising demonstrator exhibited at the same MSPO 2013 tank PL-01.
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  1. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 5 September 2013 10: 05
    The tower is English, the building is Turkish, and the self-propelled gun is Polish. just like in a joke about a Moldavian submarine.
    1. This is essentially what our military is offering. When by hook or by crook they drag overseas components onto the equipment. Only the Poles reached the apotheosis when everything will be foreign, although in part of this self-propelled guns. Did the Polish king think that the Ottomans were thundering near Vienna after 400 years, the Poles would buy weapons from the Turks ...
    2. In principle, the Poles have a Tvyardy chassis. And the rest is like ours. There is a kind of technique but it is not carried out to mind. And domestic producers are closed or they are curtailing production. For the sake of interest, I looked what they produce. They have no powerful "military" engines. Means simply "leaked" to the Germans. Now the armor manufacturer will "merge" and a complete "integrator" will come.
    1. elmi
      elmi 5 September 2013 10: 20
      I heard that the armature still abandoned the 152,135 mm gun in favor of the 125 mm gun, sorry ... I think the 135 mm gun is the most acceptable.
      1. Kars
        Kars 5 September 2013 11: 56
        And the shells along the way will be Ukrainian
        Poland will buy a license for the production of Ukrainian 155mm high-precision ammunition for artillery installations Krab and 120mm mortar shells.

        As it became known, Polish enterprises are currently negotiating with the Ukrainian side about the possible licensed production of high-precision artillery ammunition.

        According to the available information, it is planned to produce a complex of guided artillery weapons developed by the Progress research and production complex and the Tochnost Central Design Bureau. In Ukraine, a similar projectile was named "Kvitnik" and has a caliber of 152 mm. For NATO countries, including Poland, a 155mm caliber projectile is offered
    2. Edward72
      Edward72 5 September 2013 10: 21
      Conclusion one grow vegetables, and buy equipment to the rescue.
    3. xetai9977
      xetai9977 5 September 2013 10: 25
      Greetings, dear Roman! I agree with you. In fact, it would be easier for them to buy ready-made FYRTYNA. By the way, very good self-propelled guns based on the South Korean K-9.
    4. Yazevdvailitri
      Yazevdvailitri 5 September 2013 23: 50
      we can give them drawings, in 8th grade I drew good tanks
  2. Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 5 September 2013 10: 38
    Poles started to fight against the Turks, in Europe they sent them.
  3. Siberian
    Siberian 5 September 2013 15: 09
    I apologize. if I'm not blind but in the photo these self-propelled guns, the hull and turret resembles our equipment. Only the slonza’s design is changed? Or how to say (tuning done differently)
    1. Akim
      Akim 5 September 2013 15: 13
      Quote: Siberian
      but in the photo these self-propelled guns, in the hull and turret, resemble our equipment.

      In this case, the extended chassis of the RT-91 is used.
      1. Siberian
        Siberian 5 September 2013 15: 36
        Now it is clear. hi
      2. smiths xnumx
        smiths xnumx 5 September 2013 21: 57
        Good evening, dear Akim, I'm sorry I could not answer, work ... I think so, that probably the Turkish production of armored vehicles is a cheap way for Poles to get German technology. I would not be surprised if the Germans began to buy armored vehicles in Turkey. In fact, it turns out that the Poles refused and lost their groundwork for Twardy, since the engines are no longer produced. Obviously, the used Leopard made this pointless and there were no civilian applications for tank diesels. Yours faithfully! hi
        1. Akim
          Akim 5 September 2013 22: 33
          Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
          So I think that probably the Turkish production of armored vehicles is a cheap way for Poles to get German technology.

          They upgrade Leo to PL level and they have German technology. There is a problem in the elongated chassis and in the microcracks of the hull in the last batch. Although these 15 cars may be for Danish order.