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Russia and Belarus: lovely cursing ...

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The joint life of Russia and Belarus in such an entity as the Customs Union, as well as the Union State of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus in any way, you know, cannot settle down. The brotherly nations seem to be stretching to each other, they seem to be stating their desire for further and major integration, they seem to be ready to step over those or other interfering interests, but each time something interferes. Whether we - the peoples of Russia and Belarus - are such “bad dancers”, or it is not clear to dance the synchronized dance with our authorities - it’s not completely clear. One thing is clear that in our family scandals appear with a certain frequency, often with the smashing of dishes.


Russia and Belarus: lovely cursing ...


One wants more gas and at a lower price - the other states that without full privatization of the gas transmission network, this issue is not resolved, and that it itself is eager to take an active part in this privatization. One wants to bring more products to the markets of the other, the other replies that it hits their own manufacturer. One resolves economic disputes by arresting the citizens of the other, the other unexpectedly finds pathogenic bacteria in its pork, blocking the way for the meat to the market.

Against the background of all these serial mutual reproaches and claims in the bilateral relations between Russia and Belarus, the question is posed: to whom in general in our countries are these permanent omissions and mutual poking beneficial? A peasant from the Grodno region or an engineer from the Krasnoyarsk Territory? Well, this is quite unlikely, because the peasants and engineers in our countries are surrounded by other concerns and placing sticks in the wheels of their neighbors, they are less interested in doing so.

Is it beneficial for the leadership of the two countries? Let's try to figure it out. And in order to understand, it is necessary initially to go for certain assumptions, based on the last scandal that has arisen between our states (it should be emphasized: not countries, but states). Let us assume that glowing relations with Russian partners is beneficial for the Belarusian authorities. What do we get? We get that the Belarusian authorities for this purpose decide to go along some very florid way: they detain the general director of the Russian joint-stock company, knowing in advance that this will not satisfy the Russian authorities. In the end, the Russian leadership, through sanitary control, is responding, and Gennady Onishchenko announces that the quality of Belarusian pork does not correspond to the requirements. Vladimir Labinov, a representative of the Ministry of Agriculture of Russia, speaks about the possibility of adopting new prohibitive measures in relation to the products of Belarusian manufacturers, and the extent of these measures depends solely on the quality of these products. They say you don’t need to add any Baumgertner-Kerimovs, they have nothing to do with it, since the decision on the ban was made even when the general director of Uralkali was at liberty ...

When was this decision made, and what exactly was its adoption that prompted? - this is not the main question. The main question is that it was taken - once, and from its adoption the Belarusian economy suffers tangible losses - two. Daily losses from such a ban take away from the Belarusian treasury about 2 million euros. If other products are also banned, the Belarusian economy risks losing even more. And if we take into account that the Republic of Belarus does not have its own oil-bearing well, which is in Russia, then it will not be easy to patch such budget holes.

So what turns out - the Belarusian leadership is some kind of masochists who deliberately go to the spoil of relations with a neighbor in order to strike at their own financial system, and then make titanic efforts to minimize the consequences of this blow. But only President Lukashenko clearly does not look like a masochist.

Then we can assume that from the deterioration of relations with Moscow, Alexander G. is waiting for a warming of relations with the West? Well, this is really quite from the field of unscientific fiction. The fact is that the West from Lukashenko, even if he lands a dozen such as Baumgertner, is unlikely to get scared of delight and is unlikely to endow with economic and political preferences, because the West has its own accounts with the Belarusian president and the Belarusian president with the West ... And overnight, these accounts, which have been accumulating over the years, cannot be overstepped.

It means that the idea of ​​economic and political masochism of the Belarusian authorities must be brushed off, since it does not fit in with the objective realities.

If so, then we need to switch to another assumption: all these bans on importing pork from Belarus, talking about repairing the Druzhba pipeline and simultaneously reducing the supply of petroleum products in Belarus are beneficial for the Russian authorities ... However, this assumption does not hold water. when there are problems inside the country, as they say, they’ve gotten into trouble with their neighbors in the Customs Union. And if we take into account that today our leadership of the allies abroad, frankly speaking, is not much at all, then it is also unproductive to start butting with Lukashenka. It turns out that the Russian budget is also not in the black from the economic dispute with Belarus.

Summarizing all the above, we come to a paradoxical situation: it seems that mutual claims are not needed by the peoples of the two countries or their authorities, but, nevertheless, these claims constantly flare up on a variety of soils: on oil, potassium, pork, and so on. Who, then, is the initiator of the constantly emerging conflicts that add tar to the relationship between Russia and Belarus?

It turns out that in the political circles of both countries there are people who are clearly nervous about the improving relations between Moscow and Minsk. And this is not spying. If there were no such people, very strange ideas about mutual mischief would not have been in the air with obvious regularity. So, they are there, and they are doing their job to prevent the rapprochement of the two countries to work. It is also necessary to take into account the fact that these “interested persons” have a considerable influence on the leaders of states, simply a magical influence ... Apparently, there are arguments in their arsenal that still explain to our authorities the need to hit each other on the forehead ...
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  1. Quiet
    Quiet 5 September 2013 07: 45 New
    -3
    often - with breaking dishes.

    So far, they haven’t begun to beat on the slopes, it is not even considered an easy quarrel !!! wassat These scandals are more window dressing for the West than reality !!!!
    1. elmi
      elmi 5 September 2013 09: 06 New
      13
      If our president were a man of the Stalin format, sooner or later all the countries of the former USSR would now be part of Russia.
      1. Fantomac
        Fantomac 5 September 2013 09: 30 New
        21
        If we had a president of the Lukoshenko format, then sooner or later all the countries of the former USSR would now be part of Russia.
        1. Gato
          Gato 5 September 2013 10: 57 New
          +4
          Quote: Fantomac
          If we had a president of the Lukoshenko format, then sooner or later all the countries of the former USSR would now be part of Russia.

          Correction
          If our president was a man of the Stalin format, sooner or later all the countries of the former USSR would now be part of the USSR.
          1. elmi
            elmi 5 September 2013 21: 16 New
            +2
            Quote: Gato
            Correction
            If our president was a man of the Stalin format, sooner or later all the countries of the former USSR would now be part of the USSR.

            By the way, I wrote the same thing earlier in the post above. smile We think alike wink
            1. Marek Rozny
              Marek Rozny 6 September 2013 08: 29 New
              -1
              Quote: Fantomac
              If we had a president of the Lukoshenko format, then sooner or later all the countries of the former USSR would now be part of Russia.

              As part of Russia ???? Thank you, I do not want to. As part of the union of equal countries, yes, but Kazakhs do not want to be part of Russia. And others, I think, are not eager.
      2. experienced
        experienced 5 September 2013 09: 58 New
        +3
        that glowing relations with Russian partners

        Thanks to Alexey Volodin for the article, and for this expression is a separate respect. Always respected people with a sense of humor hi
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 5 September 2013 09: 14 New
      -5
      Looked at the photo for the article laughing It seems to me that they wrote there as Lukoshenko himself says. Apparently spelling under dad drove wassat
      1. Max otto
        Max otto 5 September 2013 09: 37 New
        +3
        Belarusian mov is such as it is heard and spelled, with rare exceptions.
      2. Petergut
        Petergut 5 September 2013 10: 23 New
        +6
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Looked at the photo for the article laughing It seems to me that they wrote there as Lukoshenko himself says. Apparently spelling under dad drove wassat


        It only seems to you, Druh. The phrase "Watch your gift!" fully complies with the rules of the Belarusian language and translates "Happy path!".
        1. Liasenski
          Liasenski 5 September 2013 10: 42 New
          +3
          And you can also say: "WELL WELL SHLYAH (good luck)", for some reason I like it more
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 5 September 2013 10: 54 New
          0
          Quote: Petergut

          It only seems to you, Druh.

          Really, I probably didn’t hear Lukoshenko say exactly the same laughing
          Quote: Petergut
          . The phrase "Watch your gift!" fully complies with the rules of the Belarusian language and translates "Happy path!".

          Oh, thanks for telling me, otherwise I would not have understood that it means.
        3. ed65b
          ed65b 5 September 2013 11: 05 New
          +2
          Quote: Petergut
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Looked at the photo for the article laughing It seems to me that they wrote there as Lukoshenko himself says. Apparently spelling under dad drove wassat


          It only seems to you, Druh. The phrase "Watch your gift!" fully complies with the rules of the Belarusian language and translates "Happy path!".

          I think only an Arab would not understand what is written there.
          1. experienced
            experienced 5 September 2013 11: 09 New
            +8
            Quote: ed65b
            I think only an Arab would not understand what is written there.

            And you look at it carefully
            Bowоshenko. Viewеmy knowledgeоtea.


            wassat But we teach others winked
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 5 September 2013 11: 35 New
              -3
              Quote: seasoned
              But we teach others

              Well, you’re literate, you put a system of control over errors wink Spender, not trying, you will not see anything, you will not push anyone foreheads!
              1. Karlsonn
                Karlsonn 5 September 2013 12: 47 New
                +6
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Spender, not trying, you will not see anything, you will not push anyone foreheads!


                wink
                1. Marek Rozny
                  Marek Rozny 6 September 2013 11: 41 New
                  -1
                  Is the guy in the photo (far left) holding a Kazakh flag? laughing
              2. ed65b
                ed65b 5 September 2013 14: 11 New
                +1
                this Sanya is sophisticatedly hungry laughing
      3. regsSSSR
        regsSSSR 5 September 2013 15: 59 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Looked at the photo for the article laughing It seems to me that they wrote there as Lukoshenko himself says. Apparently spelling under dad drove wassat


        when I drove by here I took a picture (7km from the border with the Russian Federation)
        this sign has been standing in the Russon District of Belarus since the ancient times of the Union (as you can see with a hammer and sickle on top) from the time when Lukashenko couldn’t even imagine in a dream that he would be a president of Belarus))!
        1. regsSSSR
          regsSSSR 5 September 2013 16: 18 New
          +2
          the reverse side of the sign with numbness with a catchy word translated into Russian is very simple, a collective farm)) by the way, the letter U-Ikratkaya is used in the word (pronounced approximately like the syllable wa, that is, sauagas (approximately) by the way, which is no longer used in more than one world language))
          1. yastr
            yastr 5 September 2013 16: 45 New
            +3
            U-awkward. Instead of letters in, l apaslya soft gallos.
            U-short. Instead of letters in, l after soft vowels. :)
            1. regsSSSR
              regsSSSR 5 September 2013 17: 51 New
              +1
              Quote: yastr
              U-awkward. Instead of letters in, l apaslya soft gallos.
              U-short. Instead of letters in, l after soft vowels. :)


              I repent! I don’t know the Belarusian language since I am not a resident of the Republic of Belarus, I just heard the locals say this word from here and made conclusions hi
      4. Sergey_K
        Sergey_K 5 September 2013 19: 20 New
        -2
        Belarusian, Ukrainian language - no, I haven’t heard ...
    3. NUT
      NUT 5 September 2013 09: 43 New
      10
      Quote: Quiet
      These scandals are more window dressing for the West than reality !!!!
      Walruses overlaid the entire Earth of Russia - robbed. White Russia alone does not give up, like the Brest Fortress and infuriates our rulers, with whom we do not drink, that the Old Man will die, but his land, his people will not give offense - that’s the reality
      1. elmi
        elmi 5 September 2013 10: 44 New
        +6
        I can imagine what will happen to Russian oligarchs and billionaires if Lukashenko became the president of a single state lol In England and a number of Western countries, the number of millionaires and billionaires would rise sharply.
        1. Theophanes
          Theophanes 5 September 2013 20: 47 New
          0
          Lukashenko is the president !!! It would be great !! All the Gestapo’s-oligarchs pi .. That would be great! And the liberal idiots from the government and the President’s entourage are pushing their foreheads together. They would put Libers on a stake at night, and in the morning cut down a forest at work, build roads ... To hell with them, damned flayer. "A thief should be in prison," the movie hero used to say, and all Russia agrees with him.
        2. sq
          sq 6 September 2013 14: 07 New
          0
          Yes, something is unlikely to change much. The king is made by the retinue.
      2. ruslan207
        ruslan207 5 September 2013 13: 06 New
        0
        Without Russia, nothing would have happened; the West imposed sanctions. All of the potassium because of the Urals, what a rogue planted Russia should have done for a long time
      3. michajlo
        michajlo 5 September 2013 17: 33 New
        0
        NUT UA Today, 09:43 ↑
        Good afternoon, dear Oleg!
        Thank you very much for the "video with Lukashenko’s speech". Good words and appreciation of "privatization" were made by the Guarantor of BR!

        Yes, in the internal politics in Russia of "unbending and iron Putin" to Lukashenko oh how far!
        I would even say that Putin looks against Lukashenko much worse than Medvedev against Putin ....

        Well it was voiced on the video by the Guarantor of BR. Yes, it’s understandable that none of the “effective managers” nobody wants BUT IN A Naked Place to create their own company for their money, but do you want to “grab” foreign labor and intelligence at half price for “snotty billionaires / 28-30 years old !?”

        Question to all: How would you react AND. if in the morning they woke up in the Russian-Belorussian Union where is Garant_Lukashenko and Premier_Putin?
        Such suggestions and fantasies were already here on the VO website (I just repeat other people's words).
        1. Karabin
          Karabin 5 September 2013 22: 46 New
          +1
          Quote: michajlo
          Question to all: How would you react AND. if in the morning they woke up in the Russian-Belorussian Union where is Garant_Lukashenko and Premier_Putin?

          Negatively. The prime minister’s candidacy is unsuccessful.
        2. NUT
          NUT 6 September 2013 13: 24 New
          +1
          Quote: michajlo
          How would you react and. if you woke up in the morning in the Russian-Belarusian Union where Garant_Lukashenko

          The question is similar to something from the loop:
          - And I have a goldfish! You make her three wishes ...
          - And sho?
          - Guesses, ssyka!

          But seriously, I probably revised and radically changed my attitude to the service, and to life itself in general, based on the ten commandments of the Biblical and Ancient, (they are closer to my heart and soul) Commandments of Our Gods - Russian
          1. sandro7715
            sandro7715 7 September 2013 14: 15 New
            0
            And to be honest, it’s a pity that in due time, but somewhere around 11986-1991 we didn’t follow the Chinese path. That the USSR should have a human face. But God gave us the ruler Gorbachev (do not be remembered by night)
        3. sandro7715
          sandro7715 7 September 2013 14: 10 New
          +1
          At the dad everything begins loudly and then somehow everything stalls. And it’s really not clear how it ends.
  2. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 5 September 2013 07: 55 New
    37
    In my opinion:
    1. Only officials scold - they have something to share and have something to lose. Personally, I have nothing to share with Belarusians, except for a table with a drink (which I have done more than once).
    2. I consider the situation with “Potassium” in this vein: Russian goofs in the person of Kerimov and Baumgerten decided to do with the Belarusian enterprise too, which their entire state-owned company had done with the Russians more than once — to get a freebie. And I can only welcome the position of Lukashenko. Accordingly, my attitude to the reaction of Russian officials is also understandable, although they say that whoever pays the girl dances her, but the moral assessment will not change.
    1. Yegorchik
      Yegorchik 5 September 2013 08: 22 New
      18
      It’s a pity that Old Man wouldn’t come to Belarus and put him in prison, our oligarchs are used to permissiveness and impunity in Russia, but on the territory of Belarus there is one law for all that caused losses to the state.
      It is interesting how our officials undertook to shield the criminal, even imposed sanctions, thanks must say Old Man did what the gut is thin on.
      1. bootlegger
        bootlegger 5 September 2013 10: 10 New
        -1
        Then let's figure out who to plant in the history of solvents?
        I do not idealize our oligarchs, but the damage done to Uralkali will result in a tax shortfall and damage for Russia. Whatever these oligarchs are, they pay taxes.
        It turns out the Old Man was chemical with solvents, everything got away with it, Russia will tolerate the rich. And the budget of the Russian Federation did not receive taxes. Who is to blame and where is the landing?
        TS is good, of course, but why then double standards?
        It turns out if Uralkali caused damage to the Republic of Belarus this theft. And AHL with fraud solvents, this is a military trick for the benefit of the people of Belarus?
        Why Old Man is possible, but we can not?
        1. BotaniQ
          BotaniQ 5 September 2013 10: 20 New
          +5
          In offshore, your oligarch pays taxes.
          1. bootlegger
            bootlegger 5 September 2013 10: 28 New
            -1
            Even if something is being stolen, this does not mean that we should allow the rest to be stolen.
        2. goldfinger
          goldfinger 5 September 2013 10: 43 New
          +1
          Lukashenko sees no violations by Belarus in export of solvents and thinners
          November 27, 2012 15:20 | The president

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          November 27, Minsk / Corr. BelTA /. President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko sees no violations by Belarus in the export of solvents and diluents. He stated this in an interview with Reuters on November 26, BelTA has learned.

          The head of state recalled that in Soviet times, Belarusian enterprises were in close cooperation with Russian ones. “And today we get metal components from the Russian Federation. Here we create a tractor. Just like in Europe, you take components from America and they take from you. So it is with us, but mainly from the Russian Federation . We get for tractors, for cars, for machine tools, for petrochemicals, for refining. The same product is oil. We used to get from them, and now we get oil for refining, "the President said.

          “Indeed, mainly Russian companies that operate in Belarus and Russia bought, for example, diesel fuel with a high sulfur content, but it could not be on the market, and oil refineries were either not interested or could not the depth of processing and remove this excess sulfur.These companies that we have registered with them bought high-sulfur diesel fuel at a high price, brought it to our plants, refined it and created biofuel (in my opinion, the Germans have them, I I’d figured it out, bought some biological additives and so on.) Having cleaned this diesel fuel, we made these additives, made biodiesel and sold them on European markets. What’s wrong with that? We bought raw materials, processed and sold. It’s not prohibited, "the head of state said.

          “The volumes, of course, were decent here. And this alerted the Russians. They told us about it. To which I replied:“ Guys, if you think this is wrong, I do not agree with you. If you think that this is flawed for you, well, we will not produce this product. "" We have not been producing it for a month. Or we produce this product in minimal quantities, ”added Alexander Lukashenko.

          The President also noted that Russian specialists were invited to Belarus, who were shown everything they wanted. “And now nobody is raising these questions before us,” the head of state said.

          “But we did not violate anything,” he stressed.

          "This is a normal process: you buy, and we buy. Nobody interferes with anyone, they process and sell. If this issue has not been resolved and does not meet the interests of Russia, then we agreed: let's sit at the negotiating table and resolve this issue. More, by at least, no one came to me with any questions, "the President said.
          1. goldfinger
            goldfinger 5 September 2013 10: 45 New
            +1
            Solvents in Belarus were produced by Russian companies - Lukashenko
            15.01.13/12/53 / XNUMX:XNUMX ©


            Three Russian companies and one Belarusian-Kazakh joint venture were engaged in “solvent” business in Belarus, which the Russian government considers shadow re-export of Russian oil products in the republic, Belarus President Alexander Lukashenko said at a press conference in Minsk on Tuesday.

            "We bought (petroleum products in Russia - IF) above the market, and not us, but three Russian companies and one of ours - a Belarusian-Kazakh enterprise... We bought high-sulfur diesel fuel, processed it at our enterprises, bought 10 items in Germany (additives - IF) for biodiesel. They mixed and sold, without violating anything, no laws, "A. Lukashenko outlined his version of the" solvent "business mechanism and its participants.

            Commenting on the volume of this business, the president admitted: "There were a lot of this product and considerable funds. But it was absolutely transparent."

            He also said that the issue of claims by the Russian side for $ 1,5 billion in compensation for duty-free re-export of oil products from Belarus to Moscow has been removed. “None of the Russians was going to impose sanctions against us. Evidence of this is that we calmly resolved this issue without even discussing it,” A. Lukashenko said.

            Read more: http://www.interfax.by/news/belarus/123542
            1. bootlegger
              bootlegger 5 September 2013 11: 06 New
              +2
              Are companies registered in the Russian Federation placing an order for the production of solvents in Belarus? And what does that change?
              Belarus enterprises loaded, taxes paid in Belarus.
              Russian companies still have a difference between the sale of solvents in the Russian Federation and the cost of their production in Belarus.
              Do you know it? Maybe it doesn’t exist at all and all the profit remained in Belarus, and the shell companies worked to zero?
              Who organized this scheme? They all just let it go.
              And now we have the result with Uralkali.
        3. mark7
          mark7 5 September 2013 16: 05 New
          +3
          Quote: bootlegger
          Why Old Man is possible, but we can not?

          Because the dad does not have Bilalov and Serdyukov with the battle, and you are talking about taxes
      2. ed65b
        ed65b 5 September 2013 11: 09 New
        +4
        Quote: Egorchik
        It’s a pity that Old Man wouldn’t come to Belarus and put him in prison, our oligarchs are used to permissiveness and impunity in Russia, but on the territory of Belarus there is one law for all that caused losses to the state.
        It is interesting how our officials undertook to shield the criminal, even imposed sanctions, thanks must say Old Man did what the gut is thin on.

        Interpol is already looking for it at the request of Belarus. So soon this ..... hang on the local "Lubyanka" for hanging eggs. and then sit in the local zone without privileges and saw twigs with a jigsaw. Or maybe he will shoot him? laughing
        1. T80UM1
          T80UM1 5 September 2013 15: 13 New
          +4
          If only Chubais would have been imprisoned :) Belarus is the only hope for justice in the entire former union !!
          1. matross
            matross 5 September 2013 15: 49 New
            +3
            And Chubais and other promissory notes. It is a shame that the Russian officialdom harnessed for this, not listening to the opinion of the people. Yes, we do not care for what exactly it slowed down! He is from oligophrenics, pah! oligarchs? So there is something! A priori bloodsucker! And there is no need for fables here - "a citizen of Russia, it is necessary to protect." He can passport with a two-headed eagle, and so protect such “citizens” - and even at the state level - they can only get dirty themselves ... Not Americans, conscience in Russia is not an empty phrase!
            1. Glory333
              Glory333 5 September 2013 21: 59 New
              0
              If the oligarch (thief, bandit killer) is a citizen of the Russian Federation, then the state of the Russian Federation should not protect him, but judge him in all the strictness of the law. Unfortunately, Russia, as a state, does not fulfill its direct duties; on the contrary, it defends criminality.
              1. alone
                alone 5 September 2013 22: 04 New
                +1
                Vyacheslav, you probably know that they don’t usually plant their own))
                1. Glory333
                  Glory333 5 September 2013 22: 28 New
                  0
                  I hope that many in the Russian government, including Putin does not consider the Dagestan criminal authority to be “his”, yet there is a difference between officers and bandits.
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 5 September 2013 08: 29 New
      19
      The Belarusian economy for our oligarchs is like a horse in a pen for a wolf. And they see, and hear, and smell, but they can’t bite. The dog is painfully angry!
      Quote: serge-68-68
      And I can only welcome the position of Lukashenko

      This handsome one in general, it’s a pity people just do not last forever, Stalin died, and the mold went. I hope that at least this one will leave the receiver after itself.
      1. Anatole Klim
        Anatole Klim 5 September 2013 09: 11 New
        +5
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        I hope this one leaves a receiver after itself.

        There is a popular Belarusian joke: How long will Old Man be the president? -Do Koli.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 5 September 2013 09: 12 New
          +4
          If only Kolya had not lost his course.
      2. NUT
        NUT 5 September 2013 10: 09 New
        22
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        The dog is painfully angry!
        Speaking of dogs:


        Two dogs met - Belarusian and Ukrainian. One well-fed, healthy, well-groomed. Another thin, sick, hungry, shabby, flea, in burrs ...
        - What happened, girlfriend?
        - Nothing, life in our country is like that.
        - So come and live with us, in Bialarus ...
        Healed "crest", ate, wool shines ...
        - That's it, thanks, I'm going home.
        - Are we bad?
        - Yes, everything is fine with you, but they DO NOT GIVE A SAW ...
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 5 September 2013 10: 24 New
          0
          Quote: NUT
          "crest"

          abalone Quality joke!
        2. Current 72
          Current 72 6 September 2013 01: 43 New
          +2
          Well, thank you ! Pleased with a great joke. Old Man is good! But the local government, he often puts his footrests, although he tries to keep them in check.
  3. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 5 September 2013 07: 57 New
    0
    Slavic peoples armor only amuse! lol
  4. tttttt
    tttttt 5 September 2013 08: 00 New
    24
    Lukashenko is doing everything right and according to the law. And the situation with the BCC as a litmus test highlighted who needs to be cleaned in Russia. Thank Lukashenko to say it is necessary and not to fight.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 5 September 2013 09: 15 New
      +3
      Quote: tttttt
      Thank Lukashenko to say it is necessary and not to fight.

      And who is it to get together or something, here other uncles with important persons roll on a TV barrel
  5. Warrawar
    Warrawar 5 September 2013 08: 06 New
    20
    Suleiman Kerimov on the bench! Old Man is doing everything right.
    1. T80UM1
      T80UM1 5 September 2013 15: 25 New
      +3
      A thief should be in prison and not spend stolen on Anji's Caucasian football club
      1. washi
        washi 5 September 2013 15: 41 New
        +3
        forgot about property confiscation
        1. Warrawar
          Warrawar 5 September 2013 19: 10 New
          +4
          Quote: Vasya
          forgot about property confiscation

          This is the key! There is no sense whatsoever from “high-profile” landings, the main economic effect is to get the hell out of the budget and that's the right decision.
  6. pinecone
    pinecone 5 September 2013 08: 15 New
    +8
    Belarusians need to defend their independence for as long as possible. Otherwise, a country with a population half as large as Moscow will be filled with hordes of newcomers from the East.
    PS It is curious that almost the most important regulator of foreign trade relations of the Russian Federation is the sanitary doctor.
    1. Tatarus
      Tatarus 5 September 2013 08: 26 New
      0
      Quote: pinecone
      hordes of aliens from the East will flood.


      Are these Russians or hordes of aliens?
      1. Warrawar
        Warrawar 5 September 2013 08: 30 New
        +6
        Quote: Tatarus
        Are these Russians or hordes of aliens?

        Tajiks, Kyrgyz and other "" compatriots "".
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 5 September 2013 08: 31 New
        +2
        Quote: Tatarus
        Are these Russians or hordes of aliens?

        Inappropriate associative thinking
        1. Tatarus
          Tatarus 5 September 2013 08: 41 New
          0
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Inappropriate associative thinking


          But the correct geographical laughing
    2. mark7
      mark7 5 September 2013 16: 21 New
      -2
      Quote: pinecone
      Belarusians need to defend their independence for as long as possible

      somehow it’s not very patriotic for you, I’m for unification, because the rulers come and go
      1. Warrawar
        Warrawar 5 September 2013 19: 12 New
        0
        Quote: mark7
        somehow it’s not very patriotic for you, I’m for unification, because the rulers come and go

        Why would he need such a “union” if his country, the Caucasian mafia, wants to rob it to the skin ...
    3. Raiven
      Raiven 8 September 2013 02: 52 New
      0
      scoundrel, tired of climbing our milk stop that's enough
  7. Forest
    Forest 5 September 2013 08: 21 New
    +9
    Old Man acts in good faith, and our Mendel-Dvorovichi, according to their own laws.
    1. T80UM1
      T80UM1 5 September 2013 09: 01 New
      +6
      Old Man for President!
      1. Forest
        Forest 5 September 2013 09: 04 New
        0
        I support brother!
  8. shurup
    shurup 5 September 2013 08: 23 New
    14
    Personal incomes of the population and top management in the Republic of Belarus and the Russian Federation differ not many times, but significantly. Not at the expense of greater labor productivity and management culture, but at the expense of natural rent.
    Therefore, attempts on the part of some Russian businessmen to "chop off" the Republic of Belarus, the latter is so painfully suppressed.
    In business, there are no dear ones and friends, but there are partners whom in the Russian Federation it is customary not to scold, but to throw. In Belarus, he threw, tweezers and other crooks decided to provide bunkers, and turn their "business" into state revenue.
  9. Tatarus
    Tatarus 5 September 2013 08: 30 New
    +8
    Theater of the absurd - Summarizing all the above, we come to a paradoxical situation: it seems that mutual claims are not needed by the peoples of the two countries or their authorities, but, nevertheless, these claims constantly flare up on a variety of soils: on oil, potassium, pork, and so on. Who, then, is the initiator of the constantly emerging conflicts that add tar to the relationship between Russia and Belarus? - Somehow the term ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE comes to mind. The fifth column is good only on the fifth cemetery alley.
  10. Anatole Klim
    Anatole Klim 5 September 2013 08: 31 New
    +1
    The Grand Dad Old Man gathered on a campaign: I am coming to you! Khazar Kaganate must be destroyed! Potassium should belong to White Russia! But the empire of the Derbent Khazars, led by the great and terrible Lawyer, strikes back, closes the source of black gold and dreams of drinking forbidden natural milk from a bowl made of the Old Man’s skull.
    1. Tatarus
      Tatarus 5 September 2013 08: 42 New
      +5
      The creepy nonsense seems + wassat
  11. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 5 September 2013 09: 16 New
    +2
    In my opinion, there are enemies in the government of every state, but in Russia, from the end of the 80s, there is something too much of it! They decided to play in the tsars!
  12. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 5 September 2013 09: 25 New
    +8
    We can say one people, but only the authorities are different, and the authorities, even in one Russia, do not even need Russians, so what about Belarusians.
    1. My address
      My address 5 September 2013 09: 41 New
      +7
      Kerimov with his shobla is a crook, you don’t even have to go to the fortuneteller.

      And ours are good! Turning away not see enough! With one hand behind the vehicle, with the fist of the other, because of the processed food, the sparrows show everyone that they are in a mess with the oligarch. Agitators fucking for the union of the Slavs. In the little head there was no thought to calmly figure it out.
      1. alone
        alone 5 September 2013 17: 24 New
        +1
        laughing all oligarchs are crooks. all without exception
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 6 September 2013 06: 13 New
          +1
          Quote: lonely
          all oligarchs are crooks. all without exception
          Moreover, Ilf and Petrov in the "Golden Calf" noted: "All the major modern fortunes have been acquired mainly by dishonest means." Well, the truth then was a pebble in the Rockefeller and Vanderbilt gardens.
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  14. Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 5 September 2013 09: 30 New
    -1
    Quote: Quiet
    often - with breaking dishes.

    So far, they haven’t begun to beat on the slopes, it is not even considered an easy quarrel !!! wassat These scandals are more window dressing for the West than reality !!!!

    True dictum. These are normal political maneuvers of Russia and Belarus. Dust in the eyes of the west. Everything is normal between our united people. Belarus serves as the so-called faucet for releasing steam for the Anglo-Saxon public.
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 5 September 2013 22: 52 New
      +1
      Quote: Mareman Vasilich
      Dust in the eyes of the west.

      Is the dust expensive?
    2. Raiven
      Raiven 8 September 2013 02: 54 New
      0
      "good dust" from which we (Belarusians) suffer
      "fine"
  15. Ulysses
    Ulysses 5 September 2013 09: 35 New
    +8
    Quote: vladsolo56
    We can say one people, but only the authorities are different, and the authorities, even in one Russia, do not even need Russians, so what about Belarusians.

    I would add that our systems are different.
    Old Man tried to save all the best from the Union.
    And we have a rampant "wild capitalism".
    Because what our oligarchs consider normal (the same raiding), they are met with hostility and the organizers are sent to Turma. repeat
  16. michajlo
    michajlo 5 September 2013 09: 38 New
    +4
    Good morning everybody!
    Lukashenko’s actions are consistent and correct.
    Once he violated the law, tried to rob the state, and bear responsibility.
    Thank God Minsk is not Moscow, where from the back and even from the front, all sorts of "effective managers of other people's capital / the so-called oligarchs" approve laws that are beneficial for "fat cats", they turn the Guarantor on as they like.
    Well, those who do not believe that the power in the Kremlin is really popular, only the usual is prepared:
    - Wait for the election campaign, we will promise a dealfor the people that you commoners dizzy with happiness.

    But the authorities will not tell VOICE that their beautiful promise is being made, someone in the Kremlin is going to fulfilland their failure to fulfill, someone will bear responsibility.

    And when the treasury is emptying again, so who will suit as always?
    - You understood correctly, ONLY one simple people who cannot legally fight for their rights to a decent life.
    - Well, milking the oligarchs and all the "fat cats" ?, so that you’re completely out of fun, it’s undermining the foundations of the motherland.
    - Well, you can maximally bend one or two to comfort the people (Khodorovsky, Berezovsky), and say they were punished because they refused to fulfill the requests of the Guarantor, dumb to share with the people, to improve his "image".

    They won’t say in a voice that it’s just “petty vindictiveness of the person currently occupying the Garant’s chair” and not the GARANT'S CARE about his people.
  17. Semurg
    Semurg 5 September 2013 09: 39 New
    +3
    The two systems of the economy, the capitalism of Russia and the semi-socialism of Belarus do not fit together which causes periodic tension. It turns out that in one of the countries it is necessary to change the type of economy and most likely in Belarus because its economy is weaker or curtail efforts to build a single state (although there is an example of China and Hong Kong, two systems are one state), but there is semi-socialism in a stronger state.
    1. Mature naturalist
      Mature naturalist 5 September 2013 21: 44 New
      0
      Quote: Semurg
      The two systems of the economy, the capitalism of Russia and the semi-socialism of Belarus do not fit together well

      It's right.
      The author of the article should be told about this, otherwise he is looking for: who harms the friendship of peoples?
  18. avt
    avt 5 September 2013 10: 15 New
    +2
    Quote: Semurg
    The two systems of the economy, the capitalism of Russia and the semi-socialism of Belarus do not fit together, which causes periodic tension.

    laughing Powerfully pushed back! Well, if on the merits? Actually for potassium? The fact that Rossel donated Uralkali to Rybolovlev for support in the election of the governor is understandable, well, Karimov didn’t pay him 10 yards of his money for him, either. Well, they created a syndicate of 50% to 50% with Old Man Belkali trading, or something, I don’t remember. But then it’s more interesting. Potassium for dad is like Gazprom for us, and then after 2008 the volume of sales in the world fell, the prices are the same, but there is less money. Well, dad decidedly and changed the director of the company in the company - he rolled, Kerimov swallowed, then suddenly tons of commercials went nowhere potassium, about 1 yard away, and there was still one “oilman” spinning at the dad’s place - Zhilin, from the late Birch’s entourage, well, Belkali controlled the son. Karimov asked to see, “But what about my 500?” To see him, Old Man sent to Karaganda. laughing Well, then Kerimov also declared that from now on there would be no syndicate conspiracy, and everyone would raise a budget for them under such conditions without any rules of the game. Yes, from this price and collapsed, but the stock market of paper, while in the short. Well, the only thing that Old Man could do was take a hostage. laughing But this is not all, someone famously on the stock exchange in the USA played a short cut, and it got so dark that the Amer Securities Commission got excited, and this, by the way, has a strong structure. Well, something like that, well, who and who spread rot, Old Man Karimov, or Karimov Old Man, or maybe someone is the third of both at once laughing - we'll see, maybe we'll find out, maybe not laughing or rather not all.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 5 September 2013 10: 53 New
      +3
      [quote = avt] [quote = semurg] The two systems of the economy, the capitalism of Russia and the semi-socialism of Belarus are poorly joined together, which causes periodic tension. [/ quote]
      laughing Powerfully pushed back!
      While you are on the dime, while you deliver customers with all sorts of people communicate. Such watered. an educational program you pass that political scientists nervously smoke aside. laughing
    2. Yegorchik
      Yegorchik 5 September 2013 11: 18 New
      -1
      Everything is simpler and the most sensible comments on this situation are on the site of Mikhail Delyagin, if you want, go read.
      1. avt
        avt 5 September 2013 16: 25 New
        0
        Quote: Egorchik
        Everything is simpler and the most sensible comments on this situation are on the site of Mikhail Delyagin, if you want, go read.

        laughing Yeah, this is where Karimov is a European civilized businessman? laughing There is only one thing for sure - the sales volume has decreased, which I already wrote about, and the little calf isn’t enough for everyone. It’s become. Well, the problem is political and politics is a concentrated economy, you don’t need to be a special expert. the contradictions are more likely to be Old Man, he needs it. But he guessed in the game or not - let's see. By the way, there is nothing unusual here, except for arrest, there’s quite a common practice in the CIS, here with Ukraine, for example, we have this for a long time and for all .
  19. Ascetic
    Ascetic 5 September 2013 10: 15 New
    +8
    Karimov is closely connected with the liberal wing of Medvedev, which means with Chubais and Voloshin, when he was president and comrade, things went uphill. It was in 2010. he acquired Uralkali (one of the most “delicious” and most profitable Russian companies) from the notorious oligarch Rybolovlev and the purchase of FC Anzhi. Then in 2010-11, his fund transferred 122,6 million rubles. to finance "opposition political parties."
    In anticipation of the 2011 State Duma elections, the Swiss Suleyman Kerimov Foundation, the Suleyman Kerimov Foundation, provided grants to the Mandate political party support fund. At the end of 2010, the organization received 86,4 million rubles from the senator's fund, and in 2011 - 36 million rubles.
    A grant recipient is headed by a certain Tatyana Valentinovna Seppyanen, for whom in addition to the "Mandate" more than 15 political NGOs are registered - funds supporting political parties "Companion", "Guarantee", "Leader", "Electoral System", "Social System", "Constitutional Rights ”,“ Ibero-America ”and others, through the mentioned NGOs, opposition political parties were financed. in 2011, four funds of Tatyana Seppyanen transferred 118,1 million rubles to the account of A Just Russia; they are contained in the financial statements of the party itself.

    link
    In the course of the emerging tendency to weaken the influence of the liberal wing in the government and through it the American and Jewish lobby, the situation with Uralkali can even be called beneficial for Putin and Lukashenko. It is interesting that so far only Igor Shuvalov has stood up for the top manager of the largest Russian company (which is understandable) , Perm deputies together with Perm Governor Viktor Basargin (production facilities are located in the Perm Territory), head of the board of directors of Uralkali Alexander Voloshin. Dmitry Medvedev, who actively promoted Kerimov two years ago, is silent. Putin too.
    If you recall the fate of the former influential Mr. Bilalov (a sandalwood with Olympic money and an escape to London), also the protégé of Dvorkovich’s wife, Mrs. Zumrud Rustamova, then certain analogies are obvious.
    Infantry Rothschilds Medvedev-Dvorkovich-Shuvalov slowly surrender the financial and economic sovereignty of Russia.
    (
    As we understand it, it is precisely under the Rothschild structures that the efforts of the Medvedev government will get the created “mega-regulator” - this party is led through two brothers Dvorkovich and Fedorov. And the mega-regulator - “Rosfinagentstva” - already has a form of ownership in the form of a “non-public corporation”

    –Quote from the article MEDVEDEV RENTS THE “MEGAREGULATOR” TO THE ROTHSCHILDS. FINANCIAL SPECULATOR WITH A BAD HISTORY "IMPROVES THE IMAGE OF RUSSIA"
  20. Igarr
    Igarr 5 September 2013 10: 15 New
    +6
    "..There is much in the world, Horatio's friend,
    ..which requires execution and castration .. "(C).
    .
    Assessing the situation in Russia and Belarus, I come to the conclusion that the unaltered measure of higher social protection in Belarus is not without reason.
    Our ..ligarchs ... will do so.
    I do not believe that Baumgartner was taken from floundering bay. Let Karimov go to Minsk and otmazyvatsya his accomplice. And we'll see.
    And I am delighted - how many tricks appear in the sleeve, and rabbits in the hat - are hidden from our "magicians".
    Here and the pork plague, here and staphylococci in milk ..... uh-th-th ....
    if we are so prepared for everything, then we can only rejoice.
    For ours.
    And for the Belarusians, I’m so happy.
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 5 September 2013 14: 37 New
      +3
      Quote: Igarr
      . Let Karimov go to Minsk and dismiss his accomplice. And we'll see.


      the fact of the matter is that long before the arrest of Baumgartner, Karimov began selling his Anji and curtailed the financing of his projects in Skolkovo, so the dog knew whose meat was eaten? Not otherwise ... But Mr. Abramovich suddenly refused to finance sports projects in Russia.
      Roman Abramovich completes investing in the development of domestic football, spending 4 times less on it than on Chelsea

      link
    2. Raiven
      Raiven 8 September 2013 02: 58 New
      0
      about the plague of pigs, in the Grodno and Vitebsk regions, pigs were burned everywhere, and near the Neman herds of boars died. A sight ...... just a big P!
      And sales of pork abroad .... kayuk
  21. And raid
    And raid 5 September 2013 10: 17 New
    +7
    Raider seizures of enterprises from this buy in Belarus will not work, there is a master there, and Russian chebureks are not much welcome there, and rightly so. This enterprise is like an oil industry for Belarusians, they will break any hunchbacked nose for it, well, stay with your empty pocket! With a request, arrest someone because I feel like you won’t come to InterPol, this is a serious and not lured organization, and they just don’t put on the international wanted list, there is evidence. And since when, due to the "ordinary entrepreneur", can the relationship between the countries deteriorate?
  22. aszzz888
    aszzz888 5 September 2013 10: 47 New
    +8
    In the current policy of the Old Man. one can see a clear line, first of all, of one’s interests and people. A tough, if not cruel, fight against business movers and sharks. And really done it - get it.
    The Russian laws have many loopholes (examples by ear, Serdyukov and gop.kompaniya and others and others. They take tens of thousands of millions and billions of bribes and kickbacks, and units reach the court) Lukashenko has this line more clearly and clearly. And apparently for a long time there will be no common points of contact between Russia and Belarus, as ordinary people would like, that is, you and I.
  23. EtickayaSila
    EtickayaSila 5 September 2013 11: 13 New
    +3
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    I looked at the photo for the article. It seems to me that they wrote there as Lukoshenko himself says. Apparently spelling under dad drove

    Videmo about the existence of the Belarusian language is not, have not heard?
  24. ed65b
    ed65b 5 September 2013 11: 14 New
    +8
    These are not peoples scolding, this Old Man defends the interests of Belarus. If GDP worked like the Old Man in Russia, they would have planted half of America long ago led by Browder. The kid is eager for money, lure him 2 fingers on the asphalt. Well done Old Man. Karimova on the bunk with the general director with a Viteeva surname. and Taburetkin would have rotted in a swamp somewhere near Minsk for about a year.
  25. EtickayaSila
    EtickayaSila 5 September 2013 11: 17 New
    +5
    Quote: bootlegger
    It turns out if Uralkali caused damage to the Republic of Belarus this theft. And AHL with fraud solvents, this is a military trick for the benefit of the people of Belarus?

    I must tell you that the situation with “solvents” from Belarus looks a little different than it is reported in the Russian media. I will not go into details, but believe me, not everything is so simple.
    By the way, no one has done so much economic damage to Russia as Kerimov and the rest of the oligophres ... rkhi, and it’s not a sin to remember Serdyukov ... and I don’t watch something.
  26. Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 5 September 2013 11: 45 New
    +8
    Greetings to all members of the forum !!!
    My opinion is this:
    These all food, gas and oil "wars" are an indicator of the Kremlin's short-sighted and primitive foreign policy ...
    And it’s not politics, but the interests of groups of businessmen.
    It is Onishchenko who voices the decisions of his masters.
    In words, they ostensibly cherish the Russian manufacturer ... But this concern always falls on the day and hour when the republics (countries) do not agree with anything.
    For example, what does it mean for the Republic of Belarus with (x) the vatization of its gas transportation system by Russian oligarchs? I think each of us will answer without hesitation.
    The same scenario was played with Ukraine.
    Gazprom wanted to appropriate everything and dictate prices. It did not pass.
    If we had agreed on gas, we wouldn’t open our mouths to the pipeline; now we would not be talking about its entry into the EU. But alas ....

    Lukashenko is the real master. Is it very difficult to survive surrounded by bloodthirsty "sharks" without natural resources? Fertilizers, agricultural, and mechanical engineering. That's all. There are no energy sources, you need to constantly buy.
    And we still issue ultimatums, crush, humiliate.
    Belarus with Lukashenko is an eyesore for our "servants", guarantors, etc.
    Clean, well maintained, everything and everyone works.

    We have everything, but mediocrity in power is killing Russia. Not Belarus and Ukraine threaten us (they also found me enemies), but super-greed, pride, laziness .. (you can continue).
    Yes, dear ones scold, and enemies fight.
  27. Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 5 September 2013 11: 49 New
    +5
    If we had such a president as Lukoshenko before the collapse of the USSR, there would be no collapse of the union, or at least privatization.
  28. Uhe
    Uhe 5 September 2013 14: 03 New
    +4
    Old Man to elect the head of our united state, that’s all for a short time! The capital can even be moved to Minsk, even to Kiev, even to Orenburg, go Vladivostok - this is far from so important.
  29. urich
    urich 5 September 2013 15: 10 New
    0
    In the summer I went home from Ukraine through Belarus. In one of the settlements there was a billboard on which it was written: mother - mov. Love mom? Love movu?
    If someone does not understand, translation: mother is the language (in which you speak). Do you love mom? Do you like the language?
    Two feelings.
    I remember when I was little, we often told jokes about the Ukrainian language (it’s in Ukraine!) Laughed at those who spoke Russian badly and once my grandfather noticed: this (artificial planting of the Russian language) will still come back ... Many years have passed . And in Ukraine it came back ...
    It’s bad, of course, when people don’t know the language of their ancestors. Now this argument will be used by nationalists. And this must not be allowed!
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 5 September 2013 15: 43 New
      +7
      Quote: urich
      once my grandfather remarked: this (artificial planting of the Russian language) will still come back ... Many years have passed. And in Ukraine it came back ...
      Grandfather didn’t mess anything up? That’s what happened repeatedly in Ukraine, this is the forced planting of the Ukrainian language. Google: "Shelest Petr Efimovich", it was he who, using draconian methods, tried to transfer everything to mov. And remember the bookstores of Ukraine in Soviet times. Books (good) were then a serious shortage. But chic publications in Ukrainian were littered with all the shelves. Moreover, in the REAL Ukrainian, and not the current incomprehensible surzhik. I remember that in childhood we stopped by relatives at Cheboksary. Full of relatives, but not one spoke Russian. Oddly enough, they understood each other perfectly. And now?
      1. urich
        urich 5 September 2013 16: 24 New
        +1
        Not. My grandfather did not confuse anything. Until the end of his life, a native Ukrainian taught Russian, which was hard for him.
        In Khmelnitsky, where I lived and studied, only TWO of the 26 schools taught in the Ukrainian language! In the 4's they did not study the Ukrainian language at all! I remember Books (good) were then a serious shortage. But chic publications in Ukrainian were littered with all the shelves. Here you are right. And you, strangely enough, support my thought with your post! For most Ukrainian people, their native language was uncomfortable, to say the least. Which led to excesses in the post-Soviet era! Is it because the new Ukrainian government so zealously used language in political life?
        After Lukashenko’s departure to Belarus, I wouldn’t want the language to become a subject of political bargaining between our countries, as it was in (in) Ukraine. That's what I wrote in my post
        1. yastr
          yastr 5 September 2013 17: 47 New
          +2
          Real Ukrainian was not particularly different from Russian. This project was created during the reign of Austria-Hungary in the West of Ukraine .. Forced Catholicization, academics in Lviv, coming up with a new "language". Yes, it was invented before your grandfather ..
        2. Liasenski
          Liasenski 6 September 2013 11: 54 New
          +1
          I studied at a school with the Belarusian language of instruction, that is, we had all the subjects in the Belarusian language, except for German and Russian with literature. After school, it was very difficult for me to do, because all the questions and tasks on the exam were in Russian and the examiner spoke Russian instead of the usual Belarusian for me. Here is an elementary example: in Russian, the numerator and denominator, and in the Belarusian person and nazounik (I don’t have a keyboard on my keyboard), so we spoke with him in different languages, he is in Russian - I am in Belarusian and grief over palms, we they understood each other and I got 4 in mathematics, and I entered the school. True, I had to retrain at this educational institution into Russian and this is in my native BSSR.
  30. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 5 September 2013 15: 24 New
    -3
    And the idea that the quickest path to integration is Lukashenko’s withdrawal from politics doesn’t reach anyone. It doesn’t matter on what principles the unification will take place, the main thing is to accomplish, and then we will deal with the principles together.
  31. Misantrop
    Misantrop 5 September 2013 15: 32 New
    +2
    Quote: Jurkovs
    the idea that the fastest path to integration is Lukashenko’s withdrawal from politics.
    That's just for integration with KEM? IMHO, only Lukashenko should leave, the next day Belarus will rush towards the European Union, overtaking Ukraine. As it was in the early 90s, then the Ukrainian Natsik turned pale with envy, looking at what their Belarusian colleagues were doing ...
  32. mark7
    mark7 5 September 2013 15: 54 New
    -1
    Quote: elmi
    the number of millionaires and billionaires would rise sharply

    Rather, Khodorkovsky would have many neighbors
  33. Bumbik
    Bumbik 5 September 2013 16: 16 New
    -1
    Quote: Sveik
    I read the comments and just get moved. How many people appear on Military Review see themselves as almost experts in the matter of relations between Belarus and Russia. Some comments about presidents in general can lead to hysteria.

    Guys, before you write something, or live in the Republic of Belarus, or at least think very well that other people or those who just occasionally read for the sake of your comments do not laugh.

    Let them continue to explain themselves in love to “father’s,” this does not add authority to Russians in Belarus. Some people don’t give a damn about it, others disdain such commentators, others feel hatred. Sooner or later, Russia will run out of money to support Belarus. On this wave, a pro-Western rogue can easily come to power, they will tell the electorate on TV that Russia is to blame for all sins since it fed Lukashek and it will slip through. So the Russians will be driven out of here, and on the border with Smolensk there will be a NATO base so that again the Kremlin would not send another dictator here
    1. stranik72
      stranik72 5 September 2013 19: 41 New
      +3
      Well, just like our "local fighters against the dictatorship", probably, the nobility, in style, of a narration about a dictator, looked here.
    2. Moon
      Moon 5 September 2013 21: 23 New
      0
      First, you will return all the loans, at the same time lose preferences and the Russian market ... and I see how the EU waits, can’t wait for Belarusian milk and MAZ smile
      ...... in general, leaving will be long and very painful ... it is only in delirium tremens that it seems that everything is solved at once. Belarus today is considered almost an oil power ... do not tell me what a fright? Well ....
      But first, you still need to return the loans and talk that we’ll leave, but we’ll show the holes, leave it for the mentally retarded ... lawyers in the Russian Federation are competent, they know how to draw up contracts (Ukraine will not let us lie).
  34. regsSSSR
    regsSSSR 5 September 2013 17: 05 New
    +1
    Well, everything is clear about the Alegorhat, but Onishchenko got it in vain! just do it if milk contains microbes, it means it’s real living and not powdered microbes)) and the milk in the Republic of Belarus is excellent local (like all other products) I wouldn’t drink such food brought all my life! comrade Onishchenko will take a fool for people to take care of people better than assaults at railway stations - this is just the devil knows what they cook even germs do not eat me like that for free let's not take it out also some chemistry! or take a closer look at Ukraine closely, otherwise they’ll look at everything in the EU, they’ll run away from us, God forbid!
  35. 2vladim2
    2vladim2 5 September 2013 17: 49 New
    +1
    I can’t understand what should we share with Belarus? They say that the Belarusian people are against the creation of a single state. Yes, this cannot be. It’s just that our Tops cannot create a state. It is created only on paper. In the meantime, the Old Man at the helm to talk about a single state is meaningless. It will not be. This is so clear!
    1. mark7
      mark7 5 September 2013 18: 42 New
      0
      Quote: 2vladim2
      I can’t understand what should we share with Belarus? They say that the Belarusian people are against the creation of a single state. Yes, this cannot be. It’s just that our Tops cannot create a state. It is created only on paper. In the meantime, the Old Man at the helm to talk about a single state is meaningless. It will not be. This is so clear!

      Quote: 2vladim2
      I can’t understand what should we share with Belarus? They say that the Belarusian people are against the creation of a single state. Yes, this cannot be. It’s just that our Tops cannot create a state. It is created only on paper. In the meantime, the Old Man at the helm to talk about a single state is meaningless. It will not be. This is so clear!

      Of course, he understands that at this stage his country will become a poor regional center with all the consequences, if the GDP with DAM was not dismissed and removed for millions of thefts, it would be equated with the enemies of the people, then yes
    2. sandro7715
      sandro7715 6 September 2013 00: 55 New
      +1
      Yes, you could try at least as much as Scotland and England. but here you’re right, the Old Man tasted the taste of power and he really liked it. I somehow can’t imagine how at the meeting Putin dissects Lukashenko for not fulfilling forecast indicators in the region
  36. Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 5 September 2013 18: 25 New
    -2
    Guys, I have rich experience in communicating with Belarusians.
    Do not listen to the media. There is one-sided infa. In fact, the inhabitants of Belarus do not want a union state. The example of neglected Russia does not appeal to them.
    Not everyone is happy with Lukashenko, but what is happening with us is beyond their understanding.
    There is no order, lawlessness, social injustice, crazy taxes and prices, the greed of the oligarchs - a small part of what they do not want.
    Most of the inhabitants are for the European Union.
    Thanks to Lukashenko for keeping Belarus in Russia's allies.
    1. stranik72
      stranik72 5 September 2013 19: 37 New
      +2
      Everything except this phrase BMost of the inhabitants for the European Union takes place to be. They know very well what the European Union wants from them.
    2. Moon
      Moon 5 September 2013 21: 16 New
      +1
      In fact, the residents of Belarus do not want a union state.

      In fact, Belarus and I have long been a Union State, 16 years old for him.

      http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%8E%D0%B7%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B5_%D0%B3%D
      0%BE%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%BE

      It is not clear why residents from the blessed Byelorussia flee to desolate Russia to earn money. The paradox, however.
      1. sandro7715
        sandro7715 6 September 2013 00: 49 New
        +3
        well, it’s not true. I want to live in one state only annoying the dominance of the Nerus in Russia and corruption too. Yes, and our guys in the Caucasus are also not thrilled to fight
    3. michajlo
      michajlo 5 September 2013 21: 35 New
      +2
      Samsenebaum RU Today, 18:25

      Good evening, dear Valery!

      Excuse me for being straightforward, but after reading your note, I completely disagree with you. Maybe I just didn’t take the intonation of your note, I don’t know for sure, do not blame me.

      I do not live in Belarus, I talked for only half a day to a young Belarusian in one company from a Slovak company.
      He (my namesake Mikhail) was glad that he was in the EU / Slovakia, his wife (they are a young family) is still studying at the Slovak university. He said something like you, that many young people want to leave the Republic of Belarus for the “sweet West” ?! Moreover, after talking with him, I had the impression that he still does not live much in the EU and that much has not yet been understood or seen in Slovakia.

      But in Slovakia / the EU I live from the middle of the 90s and I know for sure what the EU is, what all the former socialist countries were like until the end of the 90s and that after the 2000s there was a kind of “survived land” everywhere, and "happy, hungry and free" Slovaks (17-55 years old) travel around the West in SEARCH FOR ANY WORK!?

      And until 1989 here in Czechoslovakia (even then) there was EVERYTHING work enough, public transport, low costs, everything is free and much more, which is already gone.

      The accumulated wealth for 44 years of "totalitarian socialism" was quickly eaten everywhere, privatized for nothing and the West methodically destroyed ALL competitors-manufacturers in post-ATS.

      And already from 2005 here in Slovakia, not only older people, but also many young they say, they remember the "years of unfreedom" and they say with zeal and pity "zlate komunisty" / the golden communists!?

      So don’t be fooled by “fake gold” if you write such things unconsciously, or don’t deceive here on the VO website that you are naive and trusting, who only heard odes about the EU / West.
  37. saag
    saag 5 September 2013 19: 03 New
    +1
    Quote: Samsebenum
    Guys, I have rich experience in communicating with Belarusians.
    Do not listen to the media. There is one-sided infa. In fact, the inhabitants of Belarus do not want a union state. The example of neglected Russia does not appeal to them.
    Not everyone is happy with Lukashenko, but what is happening with us is beyond their understanding.
    There is no order, lawlessness, social injustice, crazy taxes and prices, the greed of the oligarchs - a small part of what they do not want.
    Most of the inhabitants are for the European Union.
    Thanks to Lukashenko for keeping Belarus in Russia's allies.

    But do they realize that they are waiting for them in the EU? Peter the Great was probably the instigator of the appeal to Europe, he chopped his beards there, made him drink, smoke tobacco, sent them to study there again, but he didn’t forget about his country. The current aspirants in the EU, as they act one-sidedly, are all there
  38. GREAT RUSSIA
    GREAT RUSSIA 5 September 2013 19: 28 New
    +2
    Russia, Ukraine and Belarus should not quarrel, because they are fraternal peoples, on the contrary, they must now unite in order to fight the whole Western world, which is happy to see how the three fraternal countries are quarreling, no, this should not be so.
    1. sandro7715
      sandro7715 6 September 2013 00: 44 New
      +2
      the impression is being made that apart from ordinary citizens of our countries, no one wants this. It is necessary that one of the rulers sacrifices their ambitions for the sake of a lofty goal. Does anyone believe that someone is Lukashenko Yanukovych or Putin will agree to be 2 in the state? Better a little but mine. There is some kind of feudal fragmentation. Everyone in their destinies is jealously looking at other people's successes.
  39. Sour
    Sour 5 September 2013 22: 22 New
    0
    Lukashenko waving a red flag, swears allegiance to the alliance with Russia (although he was willingly friends with Berezovsky). Many in Russia are doing this. At the same time, they do not notice the following:
    1) Lukashenko on all the most important issues of foreign policy never supports Russia.
    2) Lukashenko regularly receives loans not only from Russia, but also from the West (at least from the IMF, at least from the IBRD, whose headquarters are in Washington).
    By the way, Lukashenko grabbed loans above the roof, Belarus' external debt exceeds 2,5 thousand dollars per capita. Ukraine has 900 dollars, but none of the patriots and communists make noise about the achievements of the Ukrainian economy.
    3) Talking that the economy is developing more successfully in Belarus than in Russia is rubbish. Compare MAZ and KamAZ, similar enterprises. KamAZ has increased production in recent years, and even produces engines, and MAZ has twice blown up compared to Soviet times, from 40 thousand to 20 thousand cars a year. The same Ford plant, which in Vsevolozhsk, was first in Belarus, then escaped. Now in these areas make circles for the toilet and plastic buckets. And Ford preferred to make cars in Russia.
    If everything is wonderful there - where do you get so many migrant workers from Belarus? And shuttle vacationers? And not only in Moscow. I live in the province and see them. About the "dad" you will not hear anything good from them.
    I propose to take a closer look at Lukashenko. And to judge him not by words, but by deeds. If you put aside words and look at deeds, then not everything is as simple with him as his fans portray.
    1. sandro7715
      sandro7715 6 September 2013 00: 36 New
      +1
      if you didn’t have any raw materials + worn out pr-in how would Russia behave? And what about the foreign policy, where there are guarantees that the Belarusians will not be thrown by the Russian authorities (not the Russian people) like Serbia, Afghanistan, Libya. There are enough examples.
    2. Andrey77
      Andrey77 6 September 2013 12: 15 New
      -3
      And the last blow to the hill of “brothers” - Karimov, good or bad - is a citizen of Russia. But imprisoning a Russian citizen without an international court is not good. Belarus is likened to am - they also planted our pilot, allegedly for the transportation of weapons.
      1. Uhe
        Uhe 6 September 2013 20: 05 New
        +1
        And what about the Union State of the Russian Federation and Belarus? Well, about the laws of the Customs Union? Documents need to look. Maybe they have a right. At least, what Interpol put on the wanted list of Kerimov says a lot: Interpol recognized the legitimacy of the request for the arrest of a Russian citizen by the authorities of White Russia.

        In general, the opinion was repeatedly expressed that this scam was carried out by liberals from the Russian Federation to destroy the Customs Union, tear Belarus away from Russia and redistribute power within the Russian Federation. So far, everything has been working out for them, at least partially: a black cat ran between our countries and a trade war has begun, and this ... You understand.
    3. Uhe
      Uhe 6 September 2013 20: 12 New
      +1
      Compared with the thieves from the Russian Federation, Lukashenko looks just great both in business and in words. Putin generally openly lies and scoffs at his own citizens during the entire term of his reign (until 2004 he did something else, and then it started and rolled), but many still believe him, so what? It’s easy to deceive the people, especially the current lyceum, therefore the fact that they are not very well spoken about Lukashenka somewhere doesn’t mean anything. Modern democracy is to pretend that people are influencing something, and at the same time people will like the red-haired girl, and upon coming to power, you can do anything, violate your words at a loss. Therefore the people and speaks not democracy, but democracy - the power of crap.

      Yes, in comparison with Stalin, Lukashenko is a figure of an incomparable scale, but in comparison with the kings of all the former republics of the USSR, he looks the best.
  40. sandro7715
    sandro7715 6 September 2013 00: 30 New
    +1
    That would stir up the survey on the site: 1. Support the decision of Belarus on Bauman (for brevity) 2. Support the position of the Russian authorities .3. I find it difficult to answer. 4. different point of view
    1. Ross
      Ross 6 September 2013 12: 55 New
      0
      Quote: sandro7715
      That would stir up the survey on the site: 1. Support the decision of Belarus on Bauman (for brevity) 2. Support the position of the Russian authorities .3. I find it difficult to answer. 4. different point of view


      I support the decision of Belarus on Bauman.
  41. Ross
    Ross 6 September 2013 03: 53 New
    +4
    Quote: Quiet

    Quote: AndRade
    Raider seizures of enterprises from this buy in Belarus will not work, there is a master there, and Russian chebureks are not much welcome there, and rightly so. This enterprise is like an oil industry for Belarusians, they will break any hunchbacked nose for it, well, stay with your empty pocket! With a request, arrest someone because I feel like you won’t come to InterPol, this is a serious and not lured organization, and they just don’t put on the international wanted list, there is evidence. And since when, due to the "ordinary entrepreneur", can the relationship between the countries deteriorate?


    As long as the oligarchs rule the economy in Russia, such conflicts are inevitable! For this reason, Ukrainians point out, where the local oligarchs are afraid of ours.
  42. Sour
    Sour 6 September 2013 09: 06 New
    0
    Quote: sandro7715
    if you didn’t have any raw materials + worn out pr-in how would Russia behave?

    Tired of this question. If yes, if only ... but you do not have long borders and a vast territory with a difficult climate, which must be protected and controlled. By population density, Russia is the 184th country in the world.
    1. sandro7715
      sandro7715 7 September 2013 14: 28 New
      0
      Hello. At the expense of the border, let’s say so, on all sides we’ll say so, too, except for RUSSIA, not many friends. And there are no sea borders that seem easier to me to regulate. Yes, and High density in the region of new land or Magadan is not particularly useful
  43. Sour
    Sour 6 September 2013 09: 18 New
    0
    Quote: Ross
    As long as the oligarchs rule the economy in Russia, such conflicts are inevitable! For this reason, Ukrainians point out, where the local oligarchs are afraid of ours.

    The oligarchs rule the ball everywhere. Do not think that in Belarus is different. Lukashenko is the same oligarch, only he is the only one there, he no longer fits in Belarus. He actually controls the economy and budget of the whole state uncontrollably - what is not an oligarch? Or is there any control over him in Belarus? Yes, no. What he wants, he does, and asks no one. Belarus is the same oligarchic state as Russia, with only one oligarch (he is also a part-time president). And the people there have no more rights than in Russia.
  44. Herr_Kaput
    Herr_Kaput 6 September 2013 11: 43 New
    -3
    Quote: Fantomac
    If we had a president of the Lukoshenko format, then sooner or later all the countries of the former USSR would now be part of Russia.

    Would drown in blood all countries of the former USSR? Cleverly.