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Armenia goes to Customs and Eurasian unions: political decision is made

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Armenia goes to Customs and Eurasian unions: political decision is made

Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan announced the decision of the republic to join the Customs Union and take the necessary practical steps for these purposes, and subsequently participate in the formation of the Eurasian Economic Union. The corresponding wording is contained in the official joint statement on the results of the talks between the presidents of the Russian Federation and Armenia. In turn, as stated in the statement, Vladimir Putin supported this decision of the Republic of Armenia and expressed the readiness of the Russian side to “fully facilitate this process.”


On the eve of the meeting, 2 of September, Assistant to the President of Russia Yury Ushakov announced that the heads of state will discuss cooperation in the political, trade, economic, energy and humanitarian spheres, but most importantly - the development of integration processes in the CIS space: prospects for Armenia’s interaction with the Customs Union and the Common Economic Space as well as current issues of multilateral cooperation within the CSTO.

At the beginning of the meeting with Putin, Sargsyan confirmed that he came to Moscow, because “there are issues that need to be resolved - so that our relations can rise to a new, higher level”:

“Our relations, the relations of Armenia and Russia, are built on the age-old traditions of friendship and fraternity between the peoples of our countries ... I am convinced that every generation of Armenians and Russians should contribute to history of this relationship. We value these relationships and will do everything to ensure that they develop. This is an absolute priority for us. ”

Following the results of the negotiations, two documents were signed: a joint statement by the presidents (which, in fact, refers to the republic’s readiness to join the CU), as well as a joint statement on the results of the visit of the President of the Republic of Armenia to the Russian Federation.

In the second document, the heads of state "noted with satisfaction the positive dynamics of interaction between Russia and Armenia in the political, trade-economic, cultural-humanitarian, military and military-political fields."

In addition, the sides expressed readiness for the practical implementation of existing bilateral projects aimed at modernizing and diversifying the Armenian economy and strengthening the republic’s energy security:

- to extend the life of the existing Armenian NPP, as well as the project to build a new nuclear power plant.

- an agreement was reached on the issue of energy supplies from Russia to Armenia.

Also, the heads of Russia and Armenia emphasized the importance of continuing joint efforts aimed at implementing infrastructure projects, including railway communication, as well as the construction of new logistics and communication routes. And these are not just words - according to information sounded at the talks, it has already been decided that the estimated investments of Russian Railways in the development of the Armenian railway network will be about 15 billion rubles.

“Russia and Armenia made a political decision on Armenia’s joining the CU,” said Sergey Lavrov, head of the Russian Foreign Ministry, in a press commentary. According to the Minister of Foreign Affairs, the procedures that exist in the Customs Union now come into force - an appeal to the leadership of the three founding states of the Customs Union, to the Eurasian Economic Commission:

“This is already a subject of negotiations, quite technical. But the political decision was made ... We hope that it will be supported by all members of the Customs Union. ”

Commenting on the agreements reached, Vladimir Putin emphasized that connecting Yerevan to the Eurasian integration structures would give a powerful impetus to mutually beneficial economic cooperation. The President noted that Russia is the leading trading partner of Armenia, recalling that in January-May of the current year, the trade turnover increased by 13% compared to the same period of 2012 of the year. According to the head of state, high rates were achieved in the investment sphere, the volume of accumulated Russian investments exceeded 3 billion, which is almost half of all foreign investments in the Armenian economy.
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  1. Gari
    Gari 4 September 2013 11: 03 New
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    “Our relations, the relations of Armenia and Russia, are built on the centuries-old traditions of friendship and brotherhood between the peoples of our countries ... I am convinced that each generation of Armenians and Russians should contribute to the history of these relations. We value these relationships and will do everything to ensure that they develop. This is an absolute priority for us. ”
    1. experienced
      experienced 4 September 2013 11: 11 New
      +2
      Quote: Gari
      built on the centuries-old traditions of friendship and brotherhood between the peoples of our countries ...

      All our African “allies” “sucked” the USSR budget under this mantra, and now the Russian budget for it begins to work not for the citizens of his country, but for temporary workers. He came to the Collective Security Treaty Organization as a passage yard, grabbed Russian weapons and loans and left ... It seems to me that vehicles can also be made a "feeding trough". hi
      How can Armenia strengthen the CU? Is Russia paying dearly for such a membership?
      With Ukraine, the war (whip) and Armenia’s gingerbread (almost a cake), I really don’t understand this recourse
      1. Nitup
        Nitup 4 September 2013 12: 10 New
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        Quote: seasoned
        All our African “allies” “sucked” the USSR budget under this mantra, and now the Russian budget for it begins to work not for the citizens of his country, but for temporary workers. He came to the Collective Security Treaty Organization as a passage yard, grabbed Russian weapons and loans and left ... It seems to me that vehicles can also be made a "feeding trough".
        How can Armenia strengthen the CU? Is Russia paying dearly for such a membership?
        With Ukraine, the war (whip) and Armenia’s gingerbread (almost a cake), I really don’t understand this

        Do not measure everything with money. The economy is not the point. The question is purely political. It's about the impact on the territories of the former USSR. There is a struggle between the USA and the Russian Federation. Why compare Africa and the former territories of the USSR?
        1. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 4 September 2013 12: 24 New
          +1
          Quote: Nitup
          Economics is not the point

          The main economy in the TS!
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 4 September 2013 14: 05 New
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            Quote: ayyildiz
            The main economy in the TS!

            Now politics is more important against the backdrop of a queue of people wishing to plunge into the EU
        2. xetai9977
          xetai9977 4 September 2013 12: 33 New
          -5
          This is not about influence. Here is the analogy of a cash cow. How much a wolf doesn’t feed anyway it looks into the forest.
      2. avg
        avg 4 September 2013 12: 44 New
        +4
        Where is the cake? (Zist za vin - zist, but it’s good to give him tilka.)
        Putin went to Azerbaijan and the cake was no longer needed - they themselves came.
      3. xtur
        xtur 4 September 2013 13: 27 New
        +5
        In Soviet times, half of the republic worked in various electronic offices of the all-Union subordination working on the military-industrial complex.
        1. alone
          alone 4 September 2013 16: 50 New
          +5
          so what? all the same, Armenia sat on grants. received more from the Union budget than they gave
      4. Tersky
        Tersky 4 September 2013 16: 08 New
        +4
        Quote: seasoned
        Now the Russian budget for it begins to work not for the citizens of their country, but for temporary workers.

        Alex, hi ! For me, with all the pros and cons of Azerbaijan and Armenia, I put an equal sign in priority or in preference to any of them. Since countries of such proportions have the role of satellites, and today, it’s Armenia’s, Azerbaijan’s one main and undeniable dilemma - whose satellite to become. This I mean that the first thing that the second needs to remember is that the world does not end today ... By the way, this also applies to Ukraine.
        1. Drummer
          Drummer 4 September 2013 17: 10 New
          +7
          Quote: Tersky
          For me, with all the pros and cons of both Azerbaijan and Armenia, I put an equal sign in priority or in preference to any of them.

          Armenia, unlike Azerbaijan, has neither access to the sea, nor common borders with the countries participating in the CU. Nature did not award minerals either - GDP per capita in Armenia is three times less than in Russia and one and a half to two times less than in Azerbaijan. So, from an economic point of view, the difference is wow.
          Quote: Tersky
          Since countries of such proportions have the role of satellites, and today, it’s Armenia’s, Azerbaijan’s one main and undeniable dilemma - whose satellite to become.

          For Azerbaijan, the issue has been resolved - they are oriented towards an alliance with Turkey, right up to unification into one state.
        2. regsSSSR
          regsSSSR 4 September 2013 21: 53 New
          +1
          I understand, of course, history does not have a subjunctive declination, but the Union would not have fallen asleep how many problems could have been avoided at once, it’s incomprehensible to all, but you read the Communistarias and you’re fooled by how many slops the former Soviet republics poured on each other, once the one great power in the right to prove it is not even clear to whom they are somehow better or worse than others (and this, by the way, concerns many former republics of the USSR) and don’t even know who to hold on to! Everyone wants to help make friends with everyone, but it doesn’t work out WHAT TO DO Well, they don’t want to live in peace! one is good for another badly and the other way around is a complete mess!
          in general, I’m certainly glad that once arrived in the Cf family I did not believe in all these statements, but that Armenia supposedly is going to the EU yes complete nonsense where the EU is and where Armenia and the republic have always had good relations and let anyone say that the CU is just a feeder NO TS is the beginning of an attempt to reunite the peoples of the former USSR! it would be nice for Azerbaijan to think about the same thing, and then they’re screaming at everyone, but as it comes to things, no, we want to go to Turkey !!
      5. alone
        alone 4 September 2013 16: 47 New
        +6
        hi Aleksey! Armenia has nothing to strengthen the TS. A week ago they asked the EU for a billion debt. The EU refused. The choice is clear. receive from you. then write off)))
        and in short: one more parasite
    2. Gari
      Gari 4 September 2013 11: 12 New
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      Russia is a leading economic partner for Armenia
      In Armenia, every fourth joint venture is with the participation of Russian capital.
      The unification of economies actually makes borders transparent, proclaims trade without restrictions and exemptions, and abolishes all quotas and duties.
      President of Armenia Serzh Sargsyan
      ,, Being in the same system of military security, it is impossible and inefficient to isolate yourself from the corresponding geo-economic space. This is a rational decision. This decision is based on the national interests of Armenia,
      1. Gari
        Gari 4 September 2013 11: 14 New
        +8
        “Rosatom’s specialists, together with Armenian experts, agreed to concentrate their efforts on the implementation of the project, extending the life of the existing power unit of the Armenian nuclear power plant,” Vladimir Putin noted.

        The two powers support mutual interest not only in the economy. Slavic University and the branches of six Russian universities allow young people to receive Russian education on the job. The plans, and this was also announced today, are the opening of a Russian gymnasium and a branch of Moscow State University in Yerevan.
        1. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 4 September 2013 11: 36 New
          +2
          Quote: Gari
          “Rosatom’s specialists, together with Armenian experts, agreed to concentrate their efforts on the implementation of the project, extending the life of the existing power unit of the Armenian NPP,


          And why is Armenia against that Russia will build nuclear power plants in Turkey? Double standards?
      2. experienced
        experienced 4 September 2013 11: 57 New
        +7
        Quote: Gari
        Russia is a leading economic partner for Armenia

        I didn’t particularly want to comment on this topic, as I expressed my opinion and it is unlikely that any arguments of the opponents would change him, but I decided to respond to yours.
        Exactly that "Russia for... (you can substitute any country further) ", but answer, how can Armenia contribute to strengthening the CU? There are no common borders, which means cargo delivery is expensive. Minerals .... I don’t see any preferences from such an alliance, because I understand that Russia and Kazakhstan will be donors, and Armenia will receive quotas and loans (non-repayable). Belarus and Ukraine are needed geopolitically and their economy can be “straightened out” for the common good, and in my opinion, Armenia will be an anchor in the Customs Union, then fifth wheel for sure. IMHO
        Gary hi , I don’t act as an Armenian-phobus, but as a Russian who pays taxes and wants them to go to the development of Russia and to the pensions and social services of Russians, and not be spent "on friendship and fraternity." What is friendship and fraternity? We have seen enough during the collapse of the USSR. hi
        1. ed65b
          ed65b 4 September 2013 12: 14 New
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          Experienced, you don’t touch the Belarusian economy, you don’t have to straighten it there and everything works like that. Unlike Russia, oligarchs don’t shovel money for themselves.
          1. avg
            avg 4 September 2013 12: 56 New
            +4
            Belarus oligarchs will not pull. There is one, but a super oligarch!
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 4 September 2013 14: 12 New
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            Quote: ed65b
            T. Unlike Russia, the oligarchs don’t row a shovel for themselves.

            In Belarus, they (so far) are not particularly there, simply because there is no oil and gas. With regard to Armenia, Russia now more than ever is more profitable to join new members in the CU. Including for Ukraine, maybe the brains of the independent ones will fall into place.
            1. Kars
              Kars 4 September 2013 14: 19 New
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              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              entry into the CU of new members. Including for Ukraine, maybe the brains of the independent ones will fall into place.

              Start selling Romanian weapons)))
        2. Gari
          Gari 4 September 2013 12: 48 New
          +5
          Quote: seasoned
          Gary, I don’t act as an Armenian-phobus, but as a Russian who pays taxes and wants them to go to the development of Russia and to the pensions and social services of Russians, and not be spent "on friendship and brotherhood."

          In Armenia, there are about 1280 enterprises with Russian capital with a total capitalization of more than $ 3 billion.
          Among the particularly large Russian projects in Armenia, the construction of a new nuclear power unit of the Armenian NPP by Atomstroyexport, the creation of the telemedicine system by the National Telemedicine Agency, the development of uranium ore deposits in Armenia by Atomredmetzoloto, the completion of the 5th block of the Hrazdan TPP and the creation on its basis of a unified property and technological complex by Power Machines and Gazprom, the creation of the RVC venture investment fund.

          Since 2009, the creation of a free economic zone of a scientific research type by the SITRONICS company on the territory of RAO Mars and the Yerevan Scientific Research Institute of Mathematical Machines is underway. It is planned to invest $ 10 million in the infrastructure of the SEZ

          Also, Russian investments are present in the production of non-ferrous metals. Rusal in 2000 created Rusal Armenal CJSC. As for the fuel complex, in 2002 Gazprom invested $ 126 million in ArmRosgazprom. Russia also invests in railway transport in Armenia: in 2008, Russian Railways concluded a concession agreement with South Caucasus Railway CJSC.
          Since 2002, out of 20 ore deposits with approved reserves, six have been developed: copper-molybdenum Kajaranskoye and Agarakskoye, copper Kapanskoye, polymetallic gold-bearing Shaumyanskoye, as well as gold-bearing Sotskoye and Megradzor.
          1. experienced
            experienced 4 September 2013 13: 01 New
            +4
            Quote: Gari
            In Armenia, there are about 1280 enterprises with Russian capital with a total capitalization of more than $ 3 billion.

            Our oligarchs invest their money around the world. Moreover, it has already been repeatedly that Russia invests budget money and gives out bad loans, and thanks to this, our oligarchs get the right to develop minerals and other "nishtyaks."
            Quote: Gari
            Rusal in 2000 created Rusal Armenal CJSC.

            This is to Deripaska, and he was saved during the crisis at the expense of the budget. So "not at the box office" comment. I don’t care about our Forbesniks, let them go wherever they want and invest, I am against the misuse of the Russian budget, there are programs in Russia that need to be spent on. hi
            1. Gari
              Gari 4 September 2013 13: 25 New
              +4
              Quote: seasoned
              Our oligarchs invest their money around the world.

              But I don’t condone the oligarchs either yours or ours, they all have to be put up against the wall, I’m just saying that they don’t feed and sing Armenia so much, especially the oligarchs, they don’t do anything for that.

              Militarily, we are allies.
              In the cultural - Here, in addition to the Slavic University, and branches up to 10 universities, a branch of Moscow State University will soon open.
              Schools of Pushkin, Lermontov, Tolstoy, Chekhov and others are the most prestigious.
              People’s favorite drama theater in Yerevan
              Old ones must be restored and new economic relations created.
              1. xetai9977
                xetai9977 4 September 2013 14: 10 New
                +5
                Armenia is not only simply watered and fed, but literally kept. When did Armenia pay for Russian weapons? Remember the words of the ex-Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Rodionov about the FREE transfer of armaments to Armenia for 1 BILLION DOLLARS !!!
              2. alone
                alone 4 September 2013 20: 25 New
                +6
                I didn’t notice the breakthrough of the Armenian brigades towards Tbilisi, but I saw the order of honor of Armenia on Saakashvili’s chest.
          2. smersh70
            smersh70 4 September 2013 13: 31 New
            +3
            Quote: Gari
            In Armenia, there are about 1280 enterprises with Russian capital with a total capitalization of more than $ 3 billion.



            Ache rejoicing .. all these companies were taken away from you in return for big debts ...... what else remains to be offered .. only the nuclear power station and all ........ smile
            1. Gari
              Gari 4 September 2013 15: 50 New
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              Quote: smersh70
              Ache rejoicing .. all these companies were taken away from you in return for big debts ...... what else remains to be offered .. only the nuclear power station and all ........

              Over 1700 Turkish companies operate in Azerbaijan, with the number of new enterprises annually opening at around 200.

              This was reported by the Azerbaijani-Turkish Union of Entrepreneurs (ATIB).

              Earlier, the Turkish ambassador to Baku, Hulusi Kılıc, said that the volume of Turkish investments in the Azerbaijani economy is $ 3 billion, and this amount, as well as the number of companies wishing to work in Azerbaijan, is growing every year.

              “We are pleased with the level of economic cooperation between the two countries and hope for their further activation,” the ambassador said. Over 1700 Turkish companies operate in Azerbaijan, with the number of new enterprises annually opening up to about 200.

              This was reported by the Azerbaijani-Turkish Union of Entrepreneurs (ATIB).

              Earlier, the Turkish ambassador to Baku, Hulusi Kılıc, said that the volume of Turkish investments in the Azerbaijani economy is $ 3 billion, and this amount, as well as the number of companies wishing to work in Azerbaijan, is growing every year.

              “We are pleased with the level of economic cooperation between the two countries and we hope for their subsequent activation,” the ambassador said.
              Everyone is close to someone close
              1. ayyildiz
                ayyildiz 4 September 2013 16: 04 New
                +3
                And in Turkey, a strategic important object belongs to Azerbaijan, and so what?
                1. Gari
                  Gari 4 September 2013 16: 14 New
                  -3
                  Quote: ayyildiz
                  And in Turkey, a strategic important object belongs to Azerbaijan, and so what?

                  On the map in CD-ROMs that were issued to schools by the National Education Authority of Istanbul, the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic is indicated as the territory of Turkey.

                  According Bakililar.AZ, on the map in CD-ROMs that were issued to Turkish schools by the National Education Authority of Istanbul, the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic is indicated as the territory of Turkey.
                  1. ayyildiz
                    ayyildiz 4 September 2013 16: 23 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Gari
                    On the map in CD-ROMs that were issued to schools by the National Education Authority of Istanbul, the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic is indicated as the territory of Turkey.


                    Something I did not see on any map of Turkey so that Nakhichevan was part of Turkey!
                  2. alone
                    alone 4 September 2013 17: 05 New
                    +4
                    so what? on YouTube a map where the whole of Transcaucasia, Stavropol and Krasnodar are flying the Armenian flag and in the vicinity of the Caucasus emirate.

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0d5W7xsA9I
                  3. smersh70
                    smersh70 5 September 2013 00: 04 New
                    +5
                    Quote: Gari
                    which were issued to Turkish schools by the National Education Authority of Istanbul, the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic is designated as the territory of Turkey.


                    Harry .. have a conscience ... even let this be a mistake .... you have the legal territory of Azerbaijan recognized by the UN, USA, Russia ... issued in all news releases as part of Armenia .... renamed names ... cities .. rivers ....... fool
                    Verily, there is no prophet in his own country .... hi in a stranger’s eye you are looking for a straw, but you don’t see a log in your eye ...... fool
              2. alone
                alone 4 September 2013 20: 27 New
                +5
                one project of Azerbaijan in Turkey worth $ 5 billion covers all this doubly. Unlike you, we cooperate on mutually beneficial.
        3. Gari
          Gari 4 September 2013 12: 58 New
          +2
          Quote: seasoned
          What is friendship and brotherhood worth seeing in the collapse of the USSR

          Before gaining independence in 1991, the Armenian economy was largely based on industry - chemical, mechanical engineering, light, non-ferrous metallurgy. Agriculture accounted for about only 20% of the economy.
          According to various estimates, from 30 to 40% of the total volume of electronic products that were used for military and space purposes were developed and produced in Armenia. About 40 enterprises and research institutes worked in Armenia in the field of development and production of components for air defense, space systems, etc.
          However, the weak point of the Armenian sector of the military-industrial complex of the USSR was that there was no final production in Armenia, and therefore, after the collapse of the Union, the defense sector of the republic fell apart.
          The Great Country fell apart and everything fell apart, and not only in Armenia.
          But unite again and restore everything
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 4 September 2013 13: 34 New
            0
            Quote: Gari
            Agriculture accounted for about only 20% of the economy.



            and the Azerbaijanis living in Armenia were busy with it .... they drove them away .... and agriculture fell apart ......
            and especially quality cars Eraz .... smile MERCEDES himself would envy quality ... wassat .
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 4 September 2013 13: 51 New
              +1
              Quote: smersh70
              and Eraz cars were produced especially well .... smile MERCEDES himself would envy quality ... wassat.

              I swear if they lived there, for anyone in Baku they would come on these cars)))
            2. v.armen_70
              v.armen_70 4 September 2013 19: 54 New
              -3
              That's what they call you :)))
              1. smersh70
                smersh70 5 September 2013 00: 06 New
                +4
                Quote: v.armen_70
                That's what they call you :)))



                but I didn’t hear about shortavats Sargsyan ... by the way, he is legally a citizen of Azerbaijan !!!!!!!! wassat
          2. xetai9977
            xetai9977 4 September 2013 14: 14 New
            0
            GARI Don't restore anything - the train is gone! And who will unite with you? Nobody needs you except Russia. Yes, and to them you are like the 5th wheel in a cart. They would be glad to get rid, but they cannot.
        4. xtur
          xtur 4 September 2013 13: 35 New
          +3
          there is geopolitics - think about how good it will be for the enemies of Russia if Turkey, Azerbaijan through the Caspian Sea begin to do whatever they want in Central Asia and Kazakhstan, and nothing will separate them
          1. xetai9977
            xetai9977 4 September 2013 14: 19 New
            +5
            Yes, you are already afraid of your own shadow !!! Turkey, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan will not only begin, they WILL cooperate on MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL terms. But this will not concern you by any side. You can’t cooperate, you want to HAPPY for free.
          2. Yarbay
            Yarbay 4 September 2013 15: 32 New
            +3
            Quote: xtur
            there is geopolitics

            And where does Armenia?)))))))
            1. alone
              alone 4 September 2013 17: 07 New
              +2
              wassat geopolitics and Armenia))) Zadorn in a knockout))))
      3. smersh70
        smersh70 4 September 2013 12: 05 New
        -1
        Quote: Gari
        Russia is a leading economic partner for Armenia



        ... and what else are other partners .... wassat Well, probably also Iran .... tongue you yourself are to blame .. for all the neighbors you have territorial claims ..... some kind of insatiable small country ........
        1. xtur
          xtur 4 September 2013 13: 37 New
          0
          Think about why the Armenian Highlands have such a name (the territory is not less than the territory of France), and is it possible to abandon the Motherland - is Genocide sufficient for this?
          1. xetai9977
            xetai9977 4 September 2013 14: 24 New
            +2
            I remember the Armenian maps of the 70s, including from the North Caucasus to Sinai. So to speak, the Armenian Middle East
      4. IRBIS
        IRBIS 4 September 2013 12: 10 New
        +6
        Quote: Gari
        In Armenia, every fourth joint venture is with the participation of Russian capital.

        However, Russian capital and Russia are not quite the same thing. The benefits for the Russian oligarchs do not mean the benefits for Russia and its people as a whole.
        Feel the difference...
      5. alone
        alone 4 September 2013 16: 53 New
        0
        Quote: Gari
        In Armenia, every fourth joint venture is with the participation of Russian capital.


        Gary, there are almost no large enterprises in Armenia that belong to Armenia. Almost everything has been transferred to Russia by paying off loans. What Armenian economy are you talking about? I must honestly admit that the main part of the Armenian economy is Russian enterprises in Armenia
    3. Apollo
      Apollo 4 September 2013 11: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: Gari
      “Our relations, the relations of Armenia and Russia, are built on the centuries-old traditions of friendship and brotherhood between the peoples of our countries ... I am convinced that each generation of Armenians and Russians should contribute to the history of these relations. We value these relationships and will do everything to ensure that they develop. This is an absolute priority for us. ”



      “Chorrord Inknishkhanutyun”: Armenia will ask the EU for more than a billion euros


      August 28, 2013 | 08: 09
      Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan instructed Prime Minister Tigran Sargsyan at the upcoming meeting of European donors to present the rationale for the grant program worth more than a billion euros. About this newspaper "Chorrord Inknishkhanutyun."

      “The Armenian authorities will ask for money for the implementation of the following programs - the construction of the North-South road, the establishment of a water supply system, environmental protection, export-oriented industrial development assistance programs, educational system reforms, and the introduction of a new social security system.

      The Armenian government intends to take about 532 million euros for the irrigation water supply system. By the way, the country's authorities plan that the loan will be issued in cash, it will start in 2013 and end in 2025. And Europe, most likely, will approve the grant, because the horizon of the issue of initiation by Armenia of the Association Agreement is on the horizon. It is believed that Europe does not see this as a “bribe”, but is truly convinced that the money provided will help Armenia carry out reforms in accordance with EU standards, ”Chorrord Inknishkhanutyun writes.

      Armenian edition http://news.am/rus/news/168554.html
      .................. both ours and yours laughing


      Afterword: That's when the agreement on joining the CU will be initialed, then it will be possible to speak seriously.
      S. Sargsyan wants to buy time, very little is left until November.
      1. Gari
        Gari 4 September 2013 11: 38 New
        +2
        Quote: Apollon
        Afterword: That's when the agreement on joining the CU will be initialed, then it will be possible to speak seriously.

        Breakthrough results were expected from the visit of Vladimir Putin to the Republic of Azerbaijan, if only because the president brought with him 6 key ministers. However, neither the prospects of Azerbaijan’s entry into the Customs Union, nor the Eurasian integration have been received. The parties are engaged in a difficult struggle on almost all the issues discussed.

        Putin arrived in Azerbaijan seven years later, accompanied by the ministers: Foreign Affairs - Sergey Lavrov, Defense - Sergey Shoigu, Energy - Alexander Novak, Emergency Situations - Vladimir Puchkov, Transport - Maxim Sokolov, Economic Development - Alexey Ulyukaev, and CEO of Rosoboronexport "Anatoly Isaykin, head of the Russian delegation to multilateral negotiations on the Caspian Sea Igor Bratchikov, head of Rosneft Igor Sechin and Lukoil Vagit Alekperov. This impressive line-up tuned for serious discussion and results.

        "It will not only be negotiations on military-technical cooperation. It will be a very serious discussion of issues that may concern Azerbaijan. For example, the situation in the Caspian Sea with increased military activity, the Iranian issue, current events in the Middle East and most importantly, the solution of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict the Karabakh conflict. It’s hard to think about resolving this conflict without the participation of Russia, "the News portal said. az on the eve of the visit, political scientist Rasim Musabekov.

        However, the tense faces of the presidents of both countries at the press conference and the insignificant results of the visit showed that a constructive dialogue did not work. The only agreement signed is the agreement between Rosneft and the state-owned Azerbaijani oil company SOCAR on the creation of a joint venture on a parity basis.
        1. Gari
          Gari 4 September 2013 11: 39 New
          0
          Rosneft and SOCAR agreed on cooperation in the field of marketing and sale of hydrocarbons and petroleum products and on the joint use of a number of infrastructure facilities, including pipelines and terminals. "Under this agreement, we plan to cooperate on a number of issues, including swap operations and infrastructure sharing," Igor Sechin, chairman of the board of Rosneft, told reporters.

          But even here it will be difficult to agree. Azerbaijan is dominated by Western oil companies - BP, Statoil and Exxon Mobil. Azerbaijan creates competition for Russian gas companies in Europe and meets full understanding there. Azerbaijan does not want to transport its oil and gas through Russian pipelines and has agreed to supply most of its gas via the new Trans-Adriatic Pipeline (TAP) to Europe since 2019.

          "As for the pipeline games, our countries here have different interests. Azerbaijan is interested in supplying its energy resources to the shortest route to Europe and he is looking for these routes. Russia naturally does not like this, but this is not a dividing barrier, but competition" - said "Pravde.Ru" Vladimir Zharikhin, deputy director of the Institute of CIS countries.
          1. Gari
            Gari 4 September 2013 11: 40 New
            0
            But Azerbaijan has long relied on a strategic partnership with the United States, which Azerbaijani Defense Minister Safar Abiyev emphasized on August 14 at a meeting with the Commander of the National Guard of Oklahoma (USA), Major General Miles Deering. This partnership is confirmed by the role of Baku as an important logistics center for the transit of goods to Afghanistan and the presence of the US military in Azerbaijan.

            Baku is also making attempts to create a military alliance with Ankara and Tbilisi. So, MP Milli Majlis, member of the parliamentary committee on defense and security of Azerbaijan, Zahid Oruj said that Azerbaijan and Turkey have begun to form a single army according to NATO standards in the context of "one nation, one army." In turn, Georgian Defense Minister Irakli Alasania said that the efforts of "Azerbaijan, Georgia and Turkey will be aimed at creating a trilateral format for cooperation in the military industry," Trend quoted the agency as saying.
            http://www.pravda.ru/world/formerussr/other/14-08-2013/1170030-azerbaidjan-0/

            So where do they drink tea, and where do they really do a common thing.
            1. xetai9977
              xetai9977 4 September 2013 12: 49 New
              +4
              Unlike Armenia, we do not impose ourselves on anyone with the heart-rending cry of “we are brothers” and at the first opportunity we do not betray the “brother”. A man, like a decent person (like a decent country) should have one person. And not like a two-faced Janus.
              1. xtur
                xtur 4 September 2013 13: 41 New
                -3
                > we do not impose on anyone with the heart-rending cry of "we are brothers"

                you are imposing yourself on Turkey - too lazy to look for links to "two fraternal peoples" in Azerbaijan and Turkey
                1. Yeraz
                  Yeraz 4 September 2013 13: 52 New
                  +3
                  Quote: xtur
                  you are imposing yourself on Turkey - too lazy to look for links to "two fraternal peoples" in Azerbaijan and Turkey

                  haha)) This is how a brother can impose his brothers on his brother)))) We are not strangers to impose on each other brothers, we are literally blood brothers.
                  1. xetai9977
                    xetai9977 4 September 2013 14: 33 New
                    +4
                    ALI, what are you explaining to him? he knows everything perfectly, only pretends to be.
        2. Apollo
          Apollo 4 September 2013 11: 49 New
          +3
          Quote: Gari
          Breakthrough results were expected from the visit of Vladimir Putin to the Republic of Azerbaijan, if only because the president brought with him 6 key ministers.


          that's what your online edition writes

          Consent at gunpoint
          Naira Hayrumyan Wednesday, 04 September 2013, 11: 22

          European diplomats said that Serzh Sargsyan agreed to join the Customs Union under Russian pressure related to Karabakh. This means that Serge Sargsyan’s statement is illegitimate, because a decision made “at gunpoint” cannot be legitimate.
          Was there pressure on Serge Sargsyan, did he go to meet with a ready-made solution or was he really blackmailed? This issue can be clarified only by Serzh Sargsyan, who understands that if such pressure was exerted, then he can save his reputation only by declaring pressure.
          The decision to join the Customs Union is not final. Actually, nothing happened, and Armenia may well decide that it does not intend to enter into any alliances. Or maybe, like the Armenian-Turkish protocols, the decision to join the CU will lie in the parliament for years.
          The statement of Serge Sargsyan needed Putin just yesterday. Tomorrow in St. Petersburg, the G20 summit will begin, at which the leaders of leading states will arrive. A couple of weeks earlier, US President Barack Obama announced that he would go to the summit, but would not meet with Putin because of disagreements over Syria.
          But it’s obvious that Russia is losing ground in Syria, today it hinted at supporting a military strike. For Russia, this means the loss of the port of Tartus, where its military base is located. Before the loss of this port, Russia needed to find a place where the base could be moved.
          It is no coincidence that yesterday a new map of Armenia, along with Karabakh, was shown on all channels. This means that Russia “promised” not to divide Karabakh and not give it to Azerbaijan if it gets the right to deploy troops in Karabakh and turn it into a large barracks. Warships from Tartus, of course, will not be transferred there, but Russia will exit the border with Iran.
          Russia has long been trying to achieve the deployment of troops in Karabakh, but the balance of forces, stretched to the limit, did not allow it to do this. Now Russia is desperately trying to upset this balance, although it knows that it will not save the empire anyway. And Moscow is trying to lead into the abyss along with the empire and Armenia.
          Russian or other waxes in Karabakh are worse than the Customs Union and everything else. This is well understood in the West, and at the G20 summit it may well be stated that Armenia may join the Customs Union, but in Karabakh Russia and no one else will be allowed to deploy troops.
          Serzh Sargsyan will most likely wait a couple of days before the end of the G20 summit, in order to later state the pressure exerted on him and that such issues should be resolved by referendum. But these two days he had better not appear in Armenia.

          http://www.lragir.am/index/rus/0/country/view/32118
          1. Anatole Klim
            Anatole Klim 4 September 2013 12: 44 New
            +3
            Quote: Apollon
            Russia has long been trying to achieve troop deployment in Karabakh

            I've never heard anything like this, please provide your sources of information.
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 4 September 2013 13: 38 New
              +2
              Quote: Anatole Klim
              I've never heard anything like this, please provide your sources of information.



              read Kazimirov ..... speeches by Heydar Aliyev ...... former Prime Minister Panah Huseynov ..... as a substitute for the liberation of Kelbajar in May 1993, Grachev requested the deployment of one battalion of paratroopers 104 air forces from Ganja .. .and then he threatened to capture the Ganja by the Armenians ....
              or in May 94, the former Minister of Defense M. Rafiev signed an agreement with Grachev on the deployment of peacekeepers in Karabakh ... for which Y. Aliyev was recalled at night and removed from his post ....
        3. xetai9977
          xetai9977 4 September 2013 14: 31 New
          +2
          Managers of this rank do not go on a trip with such a delegation. Everything is consistent even before the trip. It is unlikely that you will be aware of all the details of the negotiations and the agreements themselves. Wow, they didn’t report to you!
      2. alone
        alone 4 September 2013 17: 14 New
        +2
        in my opinion they have already been denied a billion))
    4. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 4 September 2013 11: 20 New
      +6
      Attraction to the CU is necessary, otherwise it will join other "alliances" that are unlikely to be for Russia ... Ukraine needs to be attracted, then this will give a powerful impetus to the development of all CU countries.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 4 September 2013 11: 40 New
        +7
        ShturmKGB
        Attraction to the CU is necessary, otherwise it will join other "alliances", which are unlikely to be for Russia.

        Put a plus!
        But Armenia, in principle, has nowhere to join and they have nowhere to go from the influence of Russia!
        I already wrote that neither economically nor politically, Armenia as a state did not take place!
        In these situations, joining the Customs Union will only prolong the agony, since there are no land borders between the Maidu states!
        Armenia has one chance left for development and this will become part of Russia!
        1. genisis
          genisis 4 September 2013 11: 48 New
          +3
          Armenia has one chance left for development and this will become part of Russia!


          There will be a worthy reason for Azerbaijan to come to terms with the loss of Karabakh without "dropping its face"))))))
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 4 September 2013 12: 18 New
            +2
            Quote: genisis
            There will be a worthy reason for Azerbaijan to come to terms with the loss of Karabakh without "dropping its face"))

            On the contrary, Armenia will sooner or later have to come to terms with the withdrawal of its troops from the territory of Azerbaijan, since there is no other way to develop! And entering Russia will oblige Russia to at least somehow contain Armenia only!
          2. Yarbay
            Yarbay 4 September 2013 13: 18 New
            +6
            Quote: genisis
            "dropping your face"

            A person in Russian does not drop, but lose))))))))))))
        2. xtur
          xtur 4 September 2013 13: 45 New
          -2
          > I already wrote that neither economically nor politically, Armenia as a state did not take place!

          there is such an index as compiled by various authoritative international organizations - the insolvency index.

          In this index, Armenia is ahead of Iran and Turkey, and Georgia, and Azerbaijan in its consistency.

          Such are the matters with private opinion, and objective measurements
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 4 September 2013 14: 26 New
            +4
            Quote: xtur
            In this index, Armenia is ahead of Iran and Turkey, and Georgia, and Azerbaijan in its consistency.

            overtakes on a scooter, Mercedes ???)))
            You have a sick conceit))))))
          2. 416sd
            416sd 4 September 2013 14: 28 New
            0
            Azerbaijan's economy is in the list of the world's top 40 most competitive economies, according to the 2013 - 2014 World Competitiveness Report - 39th place.

            http://www3.weforum.org/docs/WEF_GlobalCompetitivenessReport_2013-14.pdf
            1. genisis
              genisis 4 September 2013 15: 11 New
              -3
              Well, yes, there is still oil and gas - here you are Azerbaijan's economy is in the list of the world's top 40 most competitive economies

              But in The Failed States Index 2013, everything is not so rosy, right, Heydar?
              http://ffp.statesindex.org/rankings-2013-sortable
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 4 September 2013 15: 36 New
                +6
                Quote: genisis
                Well, yes, there is still oil and gas -

                When do you drink the canister of cognac David you lost? laughing
                Is it even a shame to you? wink
                1. smersh70
                  smersh70 4 September 2013 16: 28 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  Quote: genisis
                  Well, yes, there is still oil and gas -

                  When do you drink the canister of cognac David you lost? laughing
                  Is it even a shame to you? wink



                  I also sensed him laughing still, our operational instinct does not fail us ... fellow

                  because I’ve come up with a nickname for myself - genesis ...)) for some reason I remembered the Hyundai genesis)))))
          3. xetai9977
            xetai9977 4 September 2013 14: 48 New
            +4
            htur is more Armenians than Turks, Iranians, Azerbaijanis. And what is your COMPATIBILITY?
          4. alone
            alone 4 September 2013 17: 24 New
            +4
            is that one grandmother told you?
    5. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 4 September 2013 11: 33 New
      +7
      Let’s be friends, trade, together I’m building only for, but sorry to fight for you, somehow. The reason for all this tinsel is understandable from the Russian Federation. Armenia really needs only one thing, namely military assistance within the framework of the CSTO in case of aggravation of the situation in the NK.
    6. smersh70
      smersh70 4 September 2013 12: 03 New
      +4
      Quote: Gari
      we will do everything so that they develop. This is an absolute priority for us. ”

      Armenia is forced to be under the dictates of Russia, because it entered a cell called Karabakh. And there is only one way out: to abandon Karabakh, or to be dependent on Russia. It makes me laugh when I hear about relations between Armenia and the EU. Because Armenia will be under the heel of Russia as long as the Karabakh problem exists. Unlike Armenia, Azerbaijan has a slightly higher degree of freedom due to incoming oil revenues. Armenia has large debts to Russia and is not going to repay them because of its beggarly condition. What kind of EU can we talk about if it is in such a miserable condition ...
    7. Uncle
      Uncle 4 September 2013 12: 50 New
      +2
      Quote: Gari
      Our relations, the relations of Armenia and Russia, are built on the centuries-old traditions of friendship and brotherhood between the peoples of our countries

      In the history of Armenia there was such a person, enlightener Abovyan, and so he said: "Russia has set its blessed foot on our holy land." Well said, right? This was in those years when the Caucasus groaned under the yoke of the Turks ... History repeats itself.
    8. experienced
      experienced 4 September 2013 13: 59 New
      10
      Quote: Gari
      on the centuries-old traditions of friendship and brotherhood between the peoples of our countries ...

      I read now the whole thread of comments immediately an old Soviet joke came to mind
      The "Armenian Radio" is asked: "What is the most beautiful city on Earth?"
      "AR" replies: "Of course Yerevan !!!"
      The “AR” is asked: “How many nuclear bombs are needed to destroy it?”
      After a short pause, "AR" replies: "In general, Baku is also a very beautiful city."
      laughing
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 4 September 2013 14: 12 New
        +4
        Quote: seasoned
        I read now the whole thread of comments immediately an old Soviet joke came to mind


        a deep meaning lies in the joke. good laughing
        Greetings Alexey hi
      2. Yeraz
        Yeraz 4 September 2013 14: 22 New
        +5
        Quote: seasoned
        The "Armenian Radio" is asked: "What is the most beautiful city on Earth?"
        "AR" replies: "Of course Yerevan !!!"
        The “AR” is asked: “How many nuclear bombs are needed to destroy it?”
        After a short pause, "AR" replies: "In general, Baku is also a very beautiful city."
        laughing

        hahahaha))) I didn’t hear a funny joke, thanks for the cheerful mood)))
    9. ammunition
      ammunition 4 September 2013 15: 51 New
      +1
      Such a hasty "entry", only says that mortal danger looms over Armenia.
      Wait a little longer ... if Georgia succeeds ... it will also "enter" .. in a panic and hurry.
  2. experienced
    experienced 4 September 2013 11: 04 New
    +7
    I am not against this decision, but in my opinion it is imprudent to invest 15 billion from the Russian budget in the railway of Armenia. Tomorrow they will leave the CU and leave for the EU, we will drag sleepers and rails to Russia, so they won’t. In Russia, everything is so good with railways, dams ... High salaries and pensions ... What is the desire for "broad gestures"? At one time, the USSR killed its economy supporting the socialist path of development in countries around the world, and where are these countries now and whose allies are they?
    1. Turik
      Turik 4 September 2013 11: 14 New
      +8
      You do not quite understand the chip. If the Armenians are toppled into the Jewish Union, then Russian Railways, being the shared owner of the Armenian Railways, can set tariffs of its own accord.
      If the natives protest or other shareholders are against, then the agreement can be terminated only after mutual agreement. And before that, all shipments can simply be BLOCKED.

      This is a dog mine with 2 ends. As with the Ukrainian-Russian gas pipe.
      Putin has done everything wisely, although only time will tell ...
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 4 September 2013 11: 48 New
        +5
        Quote: Turik
        And before that, all shipments can simply be BLOCKED.

        First, take an interest in what kind of transportation there is?)))))))))))))
    2. Gari
      Gari 4 September 2013 11: 27 New
      +6
      Quote: seasoned
      I am not against this decision, but in my opinion it is imprudent to invest 15 billion from the Russian budget in the railway of Armenia.

      The customs union includes Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, now Armenia is the beginning of the revival of the new State of the new Union.
      I see there are opponents
      but I hope they are few, I think there will be more supporters.
      We are the majority and we will revive the Union!
      1. Uncle
        Uncle 4 September 2013 13: 02 New
        +4
        Quote: Gari
        We are the majority and we will revive the Union!

        I agree, it’s generally strange that some people react to this association, they scream, break up, say the union, and when it is reborn, they cry the opposite, we don’t want it, it’s a strange inconsistency. This does not apply to individual forum users, but to the general trend, to the mood on the site.
      2. Essenger
        Essenger 4 September 2013 14: 14 New
        +9
        Quote: Gari
        The customs union includes Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, now Armenia is the beginning of the revival of the new State of the new Union

        In the furnace is a "new state."
        I, as a citizen of a country that is a member of the CU, do not mind Armenia joining the CU. If I’m not mistaken, in order to enter there, it is necessary to border on one member of the CU, for this reason Tajikistan cannot join them. But that is another question.
        I am for my country to come out of there.
      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 4 September 2013 15: 58 New
        0
        Quote: Gari
        - This is the beginning of the revival of the new State of the new Union.

        Namely, even Azerbaijan to join and in a word Hurray! The problem with Karabakh will be resolved within 1 hour .. The border is one common, there will be nothing more to share, as in the USSR
    3. Yarbay
      Yarbay 4 September 2013 11: 46 New
      +4
      Quote: seasoned
      I am not against this decision, but in my opinion it is imprudent to invest 15 billion from the Russian budget in the railway of Armenia.

      I am not opposed either, but I believe that the money will not be received or sawed !!
      It will be a dead investment!
      What will be the cargo flow ??
      From Iran ??
      It is cheaper for them through Azerbaijan, because through Armenia, there is still one border with Georgia and is longer!
      Through Georgia ?? Georgia participates in the Baku-Tbilisi-Kars project and has many times more cargo turnover with Azerbaijan and what and where do they transport goods through Armenia ??
  3. waisson
    waisson 4 September 2013 11: 04 New
    +6
    our regiment arrived
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 4 September 2013 14: 27 New
      +5
      Quote: waisson
      our regiment arrived

      Yes and did not decrease))
  4. neon2003
    neon2003 4 September 2013 11: 07 New
    +3
    good news, it was nice to read. the main thing is that it is really mutually beneficial
  5. d1m1drol
    d1m1drol 4 September 2013 11: 08 New
    15
    I am glad that Armenia is joining the Customs Union, but please take your citizens home to Armenia! Me the words SUPER-watermelon pack up .. or SUPER-shoes pack up! There is no strength to listen. Let them raise economies at home, produce delicious cognacs and other products. We will be happy to drink cognac and remember winemakers with a kind word. But you are VERY many with us.
    1. Airman
      Airman 4 September 2013 11: 14 New
      +5
      Quote: d1m1drol
      I am glad that Armenia is joining the Customs Union, but please take your citizens home to Armenia! Me the words SUPER-watermelon pack up .. or SUPER-shoes pack up! There is no strength to listen. Let them raise economies at home, produce delicious cognacs and other products. We will be happy to drink cognac and remember winemakers with a kind word. But you are VERY many with us.

      And take Poghosyan to your place along with the superjet, it will become easier for our aviation industry to breathe. And 15 billion Russian Railways were taken out of our pocket, raising tariffs for freight and passenger transportation, primarily for electric trains.
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 4 September 2013 11: 22 New
        +4
        Quote: Povshnik
        And take Poghosyan to your place along with the superjet, it will become easier for our aviation industry to breathe.


        ............. good
        1. genisis
          genisis 4 September 2013 11: 28 New
          +2
          Then with the T-50 too
          Also, after all, the brainchild of the KLA))))))
          1. Apollo
            Apollo 4 September 2013 11: 35 New
            +4
            Quote: genisis
            Then with the T-50 too
            Also, because the brainchild of the KLA



            Brainchild the whole team and not just one person. If you followed your logic if you hadn’t been Poghosyan, there would have been no T-50 ?!
            1. genisis
              genisis 4 September 2013 11: 38 New
              -1
              So, after all, Super Jet did the whole team. If you follow your logic, then only Poghosyan?
          2. Gari
            Gari 4 September 2013 11: 43 New
            -1
            Quote: genisis
            Then with the T-50 too
            Also, after all, the brainchild of the KLA))))))

            And then what about the creator of the legendary Mig - Artem Mikoyan
            1. Apollo
              Apollo 4 September 2013 11: 59 New
              +4
              Quote: Gari
              And then what about the creator of the legendary Mig - Artem Mikoyan


              Listen to you ..........., so the Armenians also stood at the origins of the creation of the Russian state ?! winked
              1. Gari
                Gari 4 September 2013 12: 40 New
                -2
                Of course, there is no Russian, but next to Comrade Stalin was his faithful ascetic, alongside another Mikoyan Anastas
                1. smersh70
                  smersh70 4 September 2013 13: 50 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Gari
                  another Mikoyan Anastas



                  interesting .. like all the commissars were shot ... but he stayed .... alive) not without reason there was a joke about a Jew .... who said, take care of the Armenians fellow
                2. alone
                  alone 4 September 2013 17: 35 New
                  +4
                  who in turn betrayed Stalin, and then Khrushchev
              2. xetai9977
                xetai9977 4 September 2013 13: 04 New
                +5
                Which Russian state, Apollo? Take it higher! I remember in Yerevan they seriously said that over time all languages ​​will disappear, only Armenian will remain as the most perfect !!! fool
            2. smersh70
              smersh70 4 September 2013 12: 11 New
              +2
              Quote: Gari
              And then what about the creator of the legendary Mig - Artem Mikoyan



              and we buy them so that they quickly and in large numbers fly to his historical homeland ... smile
            3. Uncle
              Uncle 4 September 2013 13: 05 New
              +2
              Quote: Gari
              And then what about the creator of the legendary Mig - Artem Mikoyan

              And with Baghramyan, Mkrtchyan, Aivazovsky? The Armenian people gave many faithful and talented sons of Russia.
              1. MilaPhone
                MilaPhone 4 September 2013 14: 04 New
                0
                Quote: Uncle
                And with Baghramyan, Mkrtchyan, Aivazovsky? The Armenian people gave many faithful and talented sons of Russia.

                Indeed, there are many, especially considering that there are only 10 million of them in the world and only half of them live in Russia and Armenia.
                There are many who know everything. And there are some that are little known, but have brought no less benefit!
                For example: Andronik Gevondovich Iosifyan (1905-1993) - the largest Soviet scientist in the field of electrical engineering, the founder of the Soviet school of electromechanics, one of the founders of Soviet rocket science and astronautics. Founder and director of the All-Union Scientific Research Institute of Electromechanics, Hero of Socialist Labor, chief designer of the Meteor satellite, "The main electrician of all missiles" as defined by S.P. Korolev.
                Josifyan was the first in the world to find a way to dispense with contacts in electric machines, and proposed to bring the magnetic flux into an external magnetic circuit. Along with this, he created the theory of contactless selsyn as a generalized synchronous electric machine, which gave a powerful impetus to the development of a new class of contactless electric machines !!!
                The United States, England, France, Germany and Italy acquired the right to manufacture contactless selsyn. Until now, non-contact selsyn is an integral part of the servo drive and automatic control system in many machine designs!
              2. Yarbay
                Yarbay 4 September 2013 14: 29 New
                +3
                Quote: Uncle
                Baghramyan

                Forget about him!
                Nothing outstanding, careerist and slime!
            4. alone
              alone 4 September 2013 17: 33 New
              +5
              Well, burn! Artyom Mikoyan sat for days and did his own hands blink! entire design bureaus and factories worked. and why, speaking of Mikoyan, do you forget Gurevich? the plane was created by two
      2. smersh70
        smersh70 4 September 2013 12: 09 New
        +3
        Quote: Povshnik
        And take Poghosyan to your place along with the superjet, it will become easier for our aviation industry to breathe.


        laughing drinks super!!!!!! You said, as a representative of the Air Force and Air Defense .... smile
      3. xtur
        xtur 4 September 2013 13: 48 New
        -1
        ... and MiGs too
    2. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 4 September 2013 12: 53 New
      0
      For fun, find how many Armenians and Azerbaijanis have Russian citizenship, and how many of their relatives come from there.
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 4 September 2013 13: 49 New
        +2
        Quote: Anatole Klim
        For fun, find how many Armenians and Azerbaijanis have Russian citizenship, and how many of their relatives come from there.

        Why find? Here I am an Azerbaijani, I have almost all relatives of the citizens of the Russian Federation, plus the elders have an Azerbaijani passport. We don’t send money anywhere, there’s no point. There are also enough relatives there, but many try to go there, business goes here and live there. I know a lot of Azerbaijanis who live there, but invest money here. The trend is that the Armenians come in large numbers, and the Azerbaijanis have the opposite tendency to return or partial life here and there. The tendency is especially in the sense that parents try their children who are already born on send to live in the territory of the Russian Federation to Azerbaijan, because there are a lot of marriages of guys with Russian girls or just civilian themes, so they try either to quickly marry or send there so that a purely Azerbaijani family is created, and therefore at least 1000 Russian mistresses and second families))) Yes and young people are not particularly opposed, because Russians are becoming more and more Western Europeans, and in the Azerbaijani environment there is more fashion for hard Caucasians and Orthodox Muslims, and against the backdrop of ala Western style, it takes on a more accelerated and aggressive character.
        And the Armenians, on the contrary, are all here and no tendency back.
    3. Yarbay
      Yarbay 4 September 2013 16: 28 New
      +3
      Quote: d1m1drol
      I am glad that Armenia is joining the Customs Union, but please take your citizens home to Armenia! Me the words SUPER-watermelon pack up .. or SUPER-shoes pack up! There is no strength to listen. Let them raise economies at home, produce delicious cognacs and other products. We will be happy to drink cognac and remember winemakers with a kind word. But you are VERY many with us.

      Again Armenian tales, Armenian assessments and clear Putin)))))))



      Cool planted Aru Putin)))))))))))))))
      Well incorrigible people)))))))
      500 thousand in winter)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
  6. a52333
    a52333 4 September 2013 11: 12 New
    +3
    In my opinion, it is imprudent to invest 15 billion from the Russian budget in the railway of Armenia
    + To you. It will be so, it is already so in South Ossetia, but on the third hand, gluing together fragments of the USSR in the USSR-2 you can’t do without spending. With the passage of 25 years, the economy of Armenia has not changed for the better. In the USSR, it was subsidized, in the USSR-2 it will be as well. It is hoped that investors will put leverage in the agreement in the event of a "change in the vector of interests"
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 4 September 2013 11: 18 New
      +3
      Quote: a52333
      but on the third hand, gluing together fragments of the USSR in USSR-2 you can’t do without spending.

      So the fact is that you own and get the result, but everything turns out to be invested on the contrary and nothing. Just loyalty.
      no matter how they drove to the United States, they just don’t throw money in a hole. Wherever they invested strong economies everywhere (Germany, Japan, etc.) Or the economies from which there is a return, for example, the Gulf countries. Which are bought with billions of weapons for protection. Iraq invading which also gives returns.
      And Russia, as always, contains its own.
  7. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 4 September 2013 11: 12 New
    +8
    Kind! The news, let's say, is good! They looked towards the EU and joined the CU under our geopolitical influence. And gifts ... - nothing is just given)) in the modern world. If only Ukraine would have done so - looked, looked at the EU and joined the CU.
    1. neon2003
      neon2003 4 September 2013 11: 18 New
      +2
      Ukraine-Madame of easy virtue (about the government). As long as the helm has no tough pro-Russian politician, they will hang out like a city, but in an ice hole ...
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 4 September 2013 11: 20 New
      +5
      Quote: Dwarfik
      They looked towards the EU and joined the Customs Union and under our geopolitical influence

      Not just because Putin came to Baku. In Armenia, Putin’s very hint was understood))
      1. genisis
        genisis 4 September 2013 11: 23 New
        +3
        The main thing is that in Baku
        understood Putin’s very hint))

        )))))
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 4 September 2013 13: 14 New
          +3
          Quote: genisis
          The main thing is that in Baku
          understood Putin’s very hint))

          In Baku, a very subtle hint of Putin was understood on 08.08.08. But the Armenians will not calm down and they are sometimes reminded when they start to baptize them
          1. Gari
            Gari 4 September 2013 14: 51 New
            0
            Quote: Yeraz
            In Baku, a very subtle hint of Putin was understood on 08.08.08. But the Armenians will not calm down and they are sometimes reminded when they start to baptize them

            According to Salamnews, economist Vyugar Bayramov said this when commenting on a statement by Vladimir Putin during a meeting with the President of Ukraine that “from 2015, Russia will limit the reception of labor migrants from countries outside the Customs Union.” According to him, the amount of funds allocated by Russia to the CIS countries is quite large.
            The expert said: “In accordance with the information of the Central Bank of Azerbaijan, Azerbaijanis living in Russia annually send $ 1 billion to Azerbaijan. According to Russian media estimates, this figure is three times as much. Such discrepancies are due to the fact that not all funds sent are registered. It is reported that funds sent to Azerbaijan are a big loss for Russia. It is expected that Russia will limit the number of migrants from Azerbaijan, tighten legislation related to this, and put on the agenda the issue of registration of labor migrants. In order to exert pressure on Azerbaijan, Russia will reconsider issues related to the Customs Union. If Azerbaijan insists on not joining the Customs Union, this will affect the number of migrants living and working in Russia. This, in turn, will cause the return of some migrants to Azerbaijan and create problems in the labor market of our country. Since most Azerbaijanis in Russia do not have a specialty, after returning to their homeland, problems will arise with providing jobs.
    3. Akim
      Akim 4 September 2013 11: 26 New
      +2
      Quote: Dwarfik
      If only Ukraine would have done so - looked, looked at the EU and joined the CU.

      The CU and the EU are economic associations, and according to the Constitution, entry into them is determined by referendum .. But in the EU, a free trade zone is created, the same zone exists in the CIS, only it does not work.
  8. ROA
    ROA 4 September 2013 11: 18 New
    -1
    Hmm, Moses led the Jews in the wilderness for 40 years so that all born slaves would die. Again, Russia is seizing a mountain of parasites, again we will be naked, but with a Eurasian union.
    1. IRBIS
      IRBIS 4 September 2013 12: 19 New
      +2
      Quote: ROA
      Hmm, Moses 40 years led Jews in the desert

      It would not be bad for the Armenians to "walk", to ventilate their brains. Only voluntarily, they won’t go there ... At least until the milk runs out in the Russian ladybug’s tit. But even then they will look for another udder - the eternal search, where it is better, in their blood.
      1. alone
        alone 4 September 2013 17: 42 New
        +4
        wassat Moses led Jews in the desert for 40 years, you have to drive in the taiga. Do not forget to put Ivan Susanin at the head of the column)))
        1. Vlad_Mir
          Vlad_Mir 4 September 2013 18: 17 New
          0
          They did it right. A very pragmatic decision.
    2. a52333
      a52333 4 September 2013 14: 42 New
      0
      Well, if Sudan and Cameroon are not enough to be allies, then it will be normal. We must take the example of the United States. Egypt with the canal, Syria. Cuba. Vinisuela. Iran is, of course, a question (three questions). He keeps close while the USA waves his fists in front of his nose. And the rest is not easy.
  9. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 4 September 2013 11: 24 New
    +3
    Quote: ROA
    Hmm, Moses led the Jews in the wilderness for 40 years so that all born slaves would die. Again, Russia is seizing a mountain of parasites, again we will be naked, but with a Eurasian union.

    Maybe you want to say that it’s better to be open-minded (a moot point) and around with stuck NATO bases (because there’s no us, then there are Americans - an axiom) and substitute this very naked asshole? right? Geopolitics is a very important thing, the Americans of 3 countries bombed under the pressure of their geopolitical younger brothers, so to speak with their tacit consent.
    1. ROA
      ROA 4 September 2013 11: 26 New
      -1
      Nobody will ever bomb Russia, for the nuclear scientists have created a very reliable guarantor of peace and tranquility.
    2. neon2003
      neon2003 4 September 2013 11: 27 New
      +2
      So let our country learn to smile in the eyes, and do its own thing behind its back ... Pragmatism)
  10. neon2003
    neon2003 4 September 2013 11: 30 New
    0
    I feel that the howl will rise after this step, especially from the side of Georgia ... fie Georgia.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 4 September 2013 11: 36 New
      +2
      Quote: neon2003
      I feel that the howl will rise after this step, especially from the side of Georgia ... fie Georgia.


      Georgia has to do with it ?! winked
      1. neon2003
        neon2003 4 September 2013 11: 45 New
        0
        I proceed from the fact that Mishiko has not let go of the Russian Federation for a long time ...
  11. Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny 4 September 2013 11: 36 New
    +7
    Armenia is good, but economically it would be better to accept and / or Azerbaijan. And with Armenia there are not even common borders. And it’s hard to call Armenia a profitable “acquisition”. Even Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan can benefit much more with a competent investment approach (taking into account legislative reforms in these countries) - there are raw materials, labor resources, industrial facilities for investment. And from the point of view of military geopolitics, these countries are more attractive than Armenia - this is the border with China and Afghanistan. And in Armenia against whom to defend? From the Turks, who are not going to fight the CSTO? Moreover, even the Turks are not averse to consider the prospect of joining the CU (instead of the EU), albeit hypothetically.
    1. T80UM1
      T80UM1 6 September 2013 09: 52 New
      +1
      I agree with you Marek!
    2. Zymran
      Zymran 6 September 2013 10: 22 New
      +1
      Azerbaijanis will not join the tazosovo union and will do it right.
  12. RBLip
    RBLip 4 September 2013 11: 54 New
    +4
    well ... welcome!
    there are familiar Armenians - quite worthy people. maybe that's why the word Armenia personally does not cause me any emotions other than good ones.
  13. 416sd
    416sd 4 September 2013 11: 56 New
    +6
    This move was not made by Sargsyan. This move was made by Putin. This is not a political decision of Sargsyan. This is another move of Putin, who played on the fork, which Sargsyan himself set.

    But in the context of three players.

    The course for Azerbaijan. But it seems to me that they will do it after the autumn elections.

    P.S. In the Soviet years, Azerbaijan was the only union republic that did not need and did not receive subsidies from the union center.

    P.S.S. For Putin, the goal of calling Sargsyan to Moscow was not Armenia. She already had no choice. The goal is Azerbaijan. Therefore, this is only a move, not an achievement. Achievement is when Azerbaijan enters there, with Karabakh, as an internationally recognized (including Russia itself) part of its territory. Price Karabakh so - all of Azerbaijan. Perhaps Azerbaijan has already made its move during Putin’s visit to Baku. Then it turns out to be a completely unpleasant return for Sargsyan called "false start dude, you hurried."
    1. genisis
      genisis 4 September 2013 12: 21 New
      -3
      And what, Heydar? Waiting for Azerbaijan in the vehicle? ))))
      Not even funny.
      Azerbaijan is a competitor for Russia. Not an ally.
      1. 416sd
        416sd 4 September 2013 12: 29 New
        +4
        It is not for me to decide, and I did not write this. Regarding a competitor, it is difficult to imagine such a competitor and an enemy as the Russians themselves.

        Do you compare our 16 billion cubic meters of gas to Europe with your own? Is this a competitor?
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 4 September 2013 12: 34 New
          +2
          Quote: 416sd
          . Regarding a competitor, it is difficult to imagine such a competitor and an enemy as the Russians themselves.

          Million pluses +++
          I was always surprised at this!
        2. genisis
          genisis 4 September 2013 12: 44 New
          -5
          16 billion for $ 200 per 1000 m3 - this is not a small amount of money.
          We will not be disturbed.
          And most importantly, we do not need diversification of gas supplies to the EU countries.
          And Azerbaijan should think about it very well.
          And then after all inadvertently pipe-layers will begin to sink in the Caspian during installation))))))
          1. 416sd
            416sd 4 September 2013 12: 48 New
            +6
            Genesis, they were supposed to drown in 1994 when they signed the contract of the century. Then they were supposed to drown in 2007 when they launched Baku - Tbilisi - Ceyhan. Now they again will not drown. Enough with the lyrics already. Or do you think that if Azerbaijan joins the Customs Union tomorrow (if this happens), then on the same rights as Armenia? Without the right to blather to the left, without the right to trade with the EU, without the right to supply gas to Europe? Nonsense.
          2. 416sd
            416sd 4 September 2013 12: 50 New
            +5
            As for the Caspian, we are talking about different things. You seem to talk about the Trans-Caspian pipeline and are not up to date with the news of 6 months ago.
            1. genisis
              genisis 4 September 2013 13: 01 New
              -4
              Without the right to blather to the left, without the right to trade with the EU, without the right to supply gas to Europe? Nonsense.


              Of course nonsense. Therefore, no one will enter anywhere.
              Therefore, Putin left Baku "not salty slurping." Together with Rosneft.
              Also, one of your clowns ordered Likewise Siktyr. They say they fired him. Do not lie?
              1. 416sd
                416sd 4 September 2013 13: 04 New
                +3
                You have conclusions. Your right.
                We have a job. Our duty.
                I can’t write more, I don’t have the habit of proving my point of view at forums, at the cost of revealing moments previously unknown to the public.
                1. genisis
                  genisis 4 September 2013 13: 19 New
                  -1
                  Yes, and do not disclose anything.
                  And without your disclosures, everything is clear.
                  Azerbaijan, shearing coupons under the patronage of British Petroleum:
                  a) Russia is not needed for nothing with its CU and EU;
                  b) even if we assume that the top of power in Azerbaijan, enriched through cooperation with British Petroleum, suddenly decides to bring its positions closer to the Russian Federation, then the situation will be destabilized. In this sense, your country is absolutely not independent in making decisions;
                  c) and most importantly - you do not coincide in civilization with the Russians. You are nomads - they are farmers.
                  So, as you say, one people - two states, continue sailing with the "great friend of the Russian Federation" Turkey in the same boat and smiling in the face of the Russians, holding the scimitar behind your back. Favorite Turkish ...
                  In the meantime, Lezgins, Talysh wake up ... Soon they will begin to ask you uncomfortable questions
                  1. 416sd
                    416sd 4 September 2013 13: 21 New
                    +3
                    Lyrics again.
                    Is free.
                  2. smersh70
                    smersh70 4 September 2013 13: 56 New
                    +3
                    Quote: genisis
                    You are nomads - they are farmers.



                    and where did you see in Armenia fields and meadows ..... wassat at least you were there)) .. they have the best dance - Kochari ... hanging from us and the Kurds)) - in translation, means - nomad))))))
      2. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 4 September 2013 12: 32 New
        +2
        In the long run, Iran will more likely be a competitor to Russia!
      3. Yarbay
        Yarbay 4 September 2013 12: 35 New
        +3
        Quote: genisis
        And what, Heydar? Waiting for Azerbaijan in the vehicle? ))))

        Do not you wait for Ashot Jan))))
        How predictable are you)))))
        As soon as such a topic appears, create a new account quickly to organize srach)))
      4. IRBIS
        IRBIS 4 September 2013 14: 36 New
        +3
        Quote: genisis
        Azerbaijan is a competitor for Russia. Not an ally.

        Why not an ally? Do we have what to share?
        Does Armenia mean our awesome ally? In my opinion, two such "allies" and enemies are not necessary. They are always trying to drag in kaku, for their own interests, speculating with the centuries-old "friendship" and "brotherhood". But there is no return, except for the widespread occupation of Russian open spaces by their representatives! Pyzhatsya, and then save them, then protect them.
        1. genisis
          genisis 4 September 2013 15: 19 New
          -6
          And who did you save? Here you are personally. Savior, too, to me.

          For starters, it would not hurt you to share at least the Caspian with Azerbaijan.
          1. IRBIS
            IRBIS 4 September 2013 17: 51 New
            +4
            Quote: genisis
            And who did you save? Here you are personally. Savior, too, to me.

            Dear, I saved those who were ordered and have every right to express my opinion - I designed it far from cabinet silence. From 1990 onwards, he saved everything, defended, parted in different directions, guarded ... He saved someone, didn’t have time, and simply didn’t want to. From his own, already established opinion.
            And I have nothing to share with Azerbaijan, he lives his life.
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 4 September 2013 12: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: 416sd
      Then it turns out to be a completely unpleasant return for Sargsyan called "false start dude, you hurried."

      Heydar, or maybe it was calculated! Get official consent! Honorable entry!
      SIGNATURE UNDER THE DOCUMENT!
      Karabakh remains overboard!
      Azerbaijan begins negotiations with the CU!
      TS (Russia) hints to Armenia, they understand everything and come for Armenia one morning - hello ass New Year !!)))
      1. 416sd
        416sd 4 September 2013 12: 33 New
        +2
        May be. Or maybe not. We don’t know what we were talking about during Putin’s visit to Baku face to face. And the conversation was long. Three times longer than this with Sargsyan. In addition, the Russian Federation will never subscribe to the entry of Armenia into the CU with Karabakh. To do this, we must first recognize Karabakh. After Abkhazia and Ossetia, Russia will not go for it. Too much against. And in Russia itself there are too many people against this.
    3. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 4 September 2013 12: 34 New
      +1
      Dear Heydar Mirza!
      It is not so.
      Ideally, everything would be great, as you see it.
      BUT!
      In real life, everything is absolutely not so simple and simple. The geopolitical “partners”, at the suggestion of nomenclature traitors and compradors, were able to drive in such a wedge of contradictions (not to mention the “5 columns” and the amorphous generation) that we can’t talk about a quick and easy resolution. hi
      1. 416sd
        416sd 4 September 2013 12: 54 New
        +3
        The whole difference is that if Armenia enters there (it’s too early to rejoice, there, Naira Hayrumyan wrote clearly on lragir.am), then she will be forced to do so. If we enter, it is only because we ourselves want it. Karabakh is the question around which everything revolves. For Armenians, this is a suitcase without a handle. It would be beneficial for Russia if a “head” like Mishiko was sitting in Azerbaijan, but this is not so.

        Remember my words, make a printscreen and set it aside. Russia will do the same with the Armenians in the same way as in 1921. One to one. Without Azerbaijan, there is no South Caucasus, whether someone likes it or not. Everything else I wrote in previous posts - this is another move, not an achievement. Achievement - Azerbaijan.
        1. genisis
          genisis 4 September 2013 13: 09 New
          -1
          Russia will do the same with Armenians as in 1921


          These are your words I will remember. I remember it well.
          Since the consequences of 1921, and even 1923 are still being dismantled.
          Only now the times are not the same.
          Not at all.
          And the Turks are better off not hoping for such a development of events.
  14. pav-pon1972
    pav-pon1972 4 September 2013 12: 01 New
    +1
    Damn, very good news !!! So suddenly...

    Then I read, so much bile is splashed out on the decision of Armenia ...
  15. Sirs
    Sirs 4 September 2013 12: 07 New
    +4
    The news is very joyful, joint success to us)))
  16. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 4 September 2013 12: 25 New
    +5
    Great news, especially in the context of what is happening with Ukraine-Georgia, lawlessness in the Middle East and the upcoming G-20 summit.
    Hooray! smile
  17. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 4 September 2013 12: 27 New
    +1
    Quote: ROA
    Nobody will ever bomb Russia, for the nuclear scientists have created a very reliable guarantor of peace and tranquility.

    Who told you? And if there is such a situation: the Russian Federation is surrounded by wire borders from all neighbors, it doesn’t help anyone and abandoned everyone, they grew like NATO base mushrooms in the post-Soviet space because the neighbors “hate us” and are not averse to lie under the NATO wing, then according to the scenario in the Russian Federation chaos similar to Syria and the soil here is much more favorable: here are some comparisons: 1. Muscovites do not like regions (center of the Russian Federation - a territorial sign), 2. National sign (we have a multi-confessional country with different religions, a lot of examples have already been seen in the world), 3 . Integral-territorial sign (separation of especially thirsty republics, examples in the form of 2 military companies we observed in the 90s). 4. Vertical sign (there are masses who are not happy with the bureaucratic apparatus, let's say) I think that's enough! And you consider that it is impossible to win back on 1 of these signs? And your argument - nuclear weapons - is the last argument in every sense, the weapon of the apocalypse, which is like a condom - it’s better to eat and not useful, than it is really needed, but it isn’t. Therefore, do not count and get ahead of yourself for years. As they say, a bad world is better than a good war.
  18. not good
    not good 4 September 2013 12: 57 New
    +5
    Good or bad, time will tell. Even if the Armenians hold cookies behind their backs, this step is still better than Ukraine, who does not know who to surrender and who trains its officers at NATO military academies, "friendly" Azerbaijan.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 4 September 2013 14: 00 New
      +5
      Quote: Negoro
      "friendly" Azerbaijan is training its officers at NATO military academies.


      by the way, only this year, 100 people were sent to our academy and college in Russia ... and what .... hi
      look on the website milkavkaz.net how many Armenian youths study in Greek military schools and academies ...... there are lots of pictures there ..... and so .... tomorrow they will fight on the side of NATO ...... . smile
    2. alone
      alone 4 September 2013 17: 51 New
      +2
      By the way, Armenian officers also study in NATO countries)))
      1. not good
        not good 5 September 2013 20: 13 New
        0
        Armenians even study in Greece, Azerbaijan in Turkey.
  19. Zymran
    Zymran 4 September 2013 13: 34 New
    +7
    Recently, Azerbaijan bought weapons of Russia for 5 of billions of dollars, what now is left for the poor Armenians? Just join the vehicle. Here, even Onishchenko is not needed.
  20. Sochi
    Sochi 4 September 2013 13: 36 New
    +3
    Quote: Gari
    However, the weak point of the Armenian sector of the military-industrial complex of the USSR was that there was no final production in Armenia, and therefore, after the collapse of the Union, the defense sector of the republic fell apart.
    The trouble is not that there were no enterprises, the trouble is that the experts left ... forever.
  21. xtur
    xtur 4 September 2013 13: 52 New
    0
    Surprisingly, the question concerns relations between Armenia and Russia, and most of the comments are from Azerbaijanis. One spam - but I would be interested to talk / read the opinion of Russian
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 4 September 2013 13: 55 New
      0
      I remind forum visitors communicating in this thread.
      Thread ThemeArmenia goes to Customs and Eurasian unions: political decision is made.
      Comments that do not correspond to a given topic, without warning, will be deleted by me.
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 4 September 2013 14: 26 New
      +5
      Quote: xtur
      but I would be interested to talk / read the opinion of Russian



      and the opinion of the Armenians does not interest you .... smile or they have cut out the light and do not have access to an Internet and a computer wassat .
    3. Yarbay
      Yarbay 5 September 2013 14: 25 New
      +2
      Quote: xtur
      but I would be interested to talk / read the opinion of Russian

      Seen Russian uninteresting))
      And so everything is clear with you!))
  22. saag
    saag 4 September 2013 14: 20 New
    +1
    New Zealand needs to be pulled up, it would be even funnier :-)
  23. ed65b
    ed65b 4 September 2013 14: 23 New
    +3
    Let's wait and see in what direction the further rapprochement of Russia and Armenia will go. Although I think the Armenians had no choice.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 4 September 2013 14: 31 New
      +5
      Quote: ed65b
      . Although I think the Armenians had no choice.

      I agree!
      Perhaps it was all so conceived in advance.
      1. MilaPhone
        MilaPhone 4 September 2013 15: 02 New
        +3
        Quote: Yarbay
        Perhaps it was all so conceived in advance.

        One hundred pounds conceived in advance. I wrote about this here in the subject about Putin’s visit to Azerbaijan.
        There is a big geopolitical game in which all political peripheries are involved. I hope ordinary people don’t lose from this, that the Armenians, the Azerbaijanis, the Russians! And then again, as always - devastation is everywhere, and in America they swell with fat.
  24. escobar
    escobar 4 September 2013 14: 57 New
    +1
    Due to this information, Azerbaijan is in an interesting position. Since this country is in its purest form a dictatorship, the fear of a color revolution is and will intensify (all the more so, there is something to be done). It is moving away from Russia, afraid of Europe, it remains only to make friends with the Jews, or to become a Turkish region.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 5 September 2013 00: 24 New
      +3
      Quote: escobar
      It is moving away from Russia, afraid of Europe, it remains only to make friends with the Jews, or to become a Turkish region.




      .... or cut off gas and oil to Ukraine ..... wassat so that its representatives do not write such bad things in the dark and from a computer laughing
      1. escobar
        escobar 5 September 2013 14: 38 New
        0
        I am writing what is real at the moment. But only types maddened by hatred write bad things.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 5 September 2013 14: 48 New
          +1
          Quote: escobar
          I am writing what is real at the moment. But only types maddened by hatred write bad things.

          that's enough ... you remember me, how I received the star parts from me after my provocations))))) so keep quiet in a rag, he thinks)))) that you have long gone mad with hatred))
          1. escobar
            escobar 5 September 2013 16: 18 New
            0
            I will not answer such attacks, I’ll just say that you’re right that I myself and don’t adapt to anyone. And in everything else, time will tell, it’s known that the best therapist
  25. bomg.77
    bomg.77 4 September 2013 14: 58 New
    +2
    Well done Armenians! Putin, too, well done, building the USSR2!
  26. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 4 September 2013 14: 58 New
    +3
    Welcome to the fraternal Armenia Union! We were waiting for you! Everything will be the way I think.
  27. Druid
    Druid 4 September 2013 15: 22 New
    -1
    Quote: Gari
    And then what about the creator of the legendary Mig - Artem Mikoyan
    You forgot to mention Gurevich Mikhail Iosifovich, to whom the military envoy Mikoyan Artyom Ivanovich, as you and me to the ballet soloist.
    "In October 1939, in the absence of Polikarpov himself (he was on a business trip to Germany), Pavel Andreevich Voronin, director of the Aviakhim serial plant No. 1, and Petr Vasilyevich Dementyev (future Minister of Aviation Industry), chief engineer, assigned an order for the plant from Polikarpov Design Bureau units (KB-1 and KB-2 — both in fighter planes) of the best designers (including Mikhail Gurevich) and on December 8, 1939 organized a new Experimental Design Department, and in fact a new OKB. A young military representative was appointed head of OKO-1. the factory Artem Ivanovich Mikoyan (1905-1970) is the brother of one of Stalin’s associates, Anastas Mikoyan. MI Gurevich and V. A. Romodin were appointed his deputies, and the project was handed over to the Polikarpov plane. "

    Returning to the topic, we can only say that they broke down for decency, and then thought better of it and washing ourselves, with soap between the buttocks and foam at the mouth in Moscow.
    Seriously, Russia created present-day Armenia, gave the land by taking it from the Azerbaijanis, guarded and guards, fed and feeds, looks through all fingers of the knees of Armenians both in Russia and in the world, therefore it would be too, to say the least, ungrateful, to get off the knees of Russia and bridge your skinny population onto the knees of Europeans, all the more they will not feed them for free, unless in a figurative sense.

    Why this ostentatious game of non-existent independence of the president, the protege (serf) of Russia, was needed, it is unclear and ridiculous. We are therefore ready for “all good things” to be kicked out at any moment from our lands within our current borders, it’s hard to stop, there is only one brake on this: Russia The key to Karabakh is in Moscow, so you shouldn’t show off, otherwise you’ll play out that you will fly not only from Karabakh, but also from Erivan and Zangezur. You will then build Greater Armenia next to the Jewish Autonomous Region in Russia and prove to the Nanai and others that you were there before and you were mentioned in the Bible, call the Uyghurs Turks, and crackle with or without that most of the land lies in modern China.
    1. genisis
      genisis 4 September 2013 16: 03 New
      0
      Russia created present-day Armenia, gave land by taking it from the Azerbaijanis, guarded and guards, fed and feeds, looks through all fingers of the knees of Armenians both in Russia and in the world


      She gave the land by taking it from the Azerbaijanis - it’s really amused.
      What did you mean? Tell me more, we can often don’t know.
      And at the same time, can you tell about the Kara and Moscow treaties, how Mount Ararat turned out to be among the Turks.
      Yes, about the decision of 1923, when Karabakh became part of Azerbaijan.
      Yes, about the transfer of Nakhichevan.

      And then the creators - where to go.
      Or tell us how in 1992, while Mutalibov was president, the Shahumyan region was occupied for Azerbaijanis.

      And at the same time you will tell who these very notorious Azerbaijanis are, from whom the Russian compatriots were taken away for the Armenians. Maybe these are Lezghins, Tats, Talysh, Avars, Udins, Rutuls, Tsukhurs, who all their lives with Armenians lived side by side on the Armenian Highlands.
      Or are you talking about a bunch of motley Turkish nomads, all kinds of Oguzes, koyunlu (white and black), karapapakhs that appeared on this earth in the 12th century. Who did you take the land from for the Armenians ???
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 4 September 2013 16: 15 New
        +2
        Quote: genisis
        Or are you talking about a bunch of motley Turkish nomads, all kinds of Oguzes, koyunlu (white and black), karapapakhs that appeared on this earth in the 12th century. Who did you take the land from for the Armenians ???


        Well, stoic, my friend .... yours is all an expression laughing I can feel you from a distance))) and even covered myself with the Russian flag))))) so bad ..... maybe you can recall the decision of the National Council in Tiflis on May 28, 1918 to transfer Irevan and Zangezur to create Armenia .... or maybe the decision of the Bureau of the Central Committee of the CPA on the transfer of Zangezur to Armenia in honor of friendship with the Armenian proletariat ..... and the construction of a communist society around the world .......
        By the way, you do not care about the national minorities of Azerbaijan ..... they fought with you like the true sons of their homeland ..... and even the Udins, who are the ancestors of the Albanians and their surnames are partially similar to Armenian, serve in our army and fought against you so that many were given as an example ... hi
        1. genisis
          genisis 4 September 2013 16: 39 New
          -2
          fought against you so that many were set as an example

          And who argues. Not a couple to you - the Turks. They are autochthons on this earth, like the Armenians. And you want to rake the heat with their hands, only ..yushki))))
          By the way, how did the fuss end there when Neftchi fans got to Lancon under distribution? Are you kind of sick for Neftchi?
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 4 September 2013 17: 42 New
            +4
            Quote: genisis
            fought against you so that many were set as an example

            And who argues. Not a couple to you - the Turks. They are autochthons on this earth, like the Armenians. And you want to rake the heat with their hands, only ..yushki))))


            and cuddle you at the front the only way)))))) good sniper come out of them))))
            By the way, how did the fuss end there when Neftchi fans got to Lancon under distribution? Are you kind of sick for Neftchi?


            I am a fan of Kapaz !!! but about football ... let's not - I saw from all the Transcaucasian republics only Karabakh went the farthest !!! well you don’t understand)))) you don’t even have balls, not to mention stadiums))) .. well, nothing, and the Khankendi team will play in our domestic championship ... and you stand behind the goal so that you can drag balls)) and you’re not good enough)))) a connoisseur of football))))
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              1. alone
                alone 4 September 2013 18: 13 New
                +3
                2-3 years ago, 74 fans were killed in Egypt during the match. clashes between fans of various clubs regularly occur in Moscow. and what? when you write something, write with logic. but not with your own fantasies.
                1. genisis
                  genisis 4 September 2013 18: 26 New
                  -2
                  When there is ethnic discrimination in society, when the rights of indigenous peoples are completely ignored, when any manifestation of their ethnic identity is severely suppressed, then any occasion, especially spectacular events, be it a wedding or a funeral, religious holidays or funeral processions, state events, concerts and, Of course, football matches become a very convenient background for the manifestation of the suppressed feelings of the people, group identity. A little spark - and the fire ignites. Football incidents in Europe are completely different in nature. These are rather drunken fights, clashes of youth overwhelmed by excessive alcohol consumption, pouring out internal aggression under the guise of club solidarity. In these drunken brawls, often often leading to truly tragic consequences, there is nothing ethnic.

                  A case similar to the Lenkoran one can in no way be considered an ordinary scuffle between the fans of two competing football clubs. This is not even a protest against an oppressive system of discrimination, but, first and foremost, a suitable arena for demonstrating one's own national “I”. Rather, it is akin to a medieval carnival, in which all the facets of conventionality are erased, an atmosphere of freedom arises ... It is no accident that the people in the stadium and on the streets of the city chanted “Tolyshimon-Hestimon” / “Talishimon-Hestimon”, i.e. "We are Talysh, we are / we are Talysh, we are," and sometimes, tying this slogan to the "carnival" - "Talishimon-Hestimon, Kaspi Lankone pestimon", i.e. “We are Talysh, we are, we are for Kaspi Lankon (ie, for the Khazar Lannkran team”).

                  And in order to get even a distant idea of ​​what is happening in Azerbaijan and what atmosphere prevails in this country around ethnic minorities, it’s enough to read the book of memoirs of the widow of the famous Talysh writer, editor of the newspaper “Voice of Talysh” Novruz-Ali Mammadov, who was tortured on false charges in the dungeons of Azerbaijan political secretary. This book, by the way, available on the Internet, is the true story of an Avar woman, Maryam Khanum Mammadova, who lost not only her husband, but also two sons in the struggle for the elementary rights of national self-expression. Do you know what is the real reason for the arrest of another editor of the same newspaper, Gilal Mammadov? In the promotion of the famous group song “Who are you? Come on, goodbye!” On the Internet, through which a multimillion-dollar Russian-speaking audience quickly learned that there are such people - Talysh. But this is not the fear of the authorities, but the fact that the genuinely Tatian-Talysh song genre of Meihan, forgotten for decades, suddenly became a popular, almost ceremonial act, in which there can always be a sense of unity, crystallized self-awareness, manifest "carnival" freedom, capable of instantly spread the mechanisms of suppression of the clumsy artificial mini-empire.
                  1. smersh70
                    smersh70 4 September 2013 18: 43 New
                    +2
                    Dear Apollon !!!!! comrade leaves the topic .. and where does the football .. Talysh are related to Armenia and the TS
                    1. genisis
                      genisis 4 September 2013 18: 56 New
                      -2
                      Dear Apollo


                      I appeal to you))))
                      Urgently
                      Suddenly, someone will have time to read about the Talysh, but you know how painful this topic is for us in Azerbaijan.
                      Therefore, I ask you to urgently take action. After all, off-topic))))
                  2. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 6 September 2013 00: 40 New
                    +2
                    Quote: genisis
                    When in society

                    David, why don’t you give me the link?))))
                    this is another opus waxworks)))))))))
                    And you are engaged in plagiarism, although this is already in your blood!))
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 4 September 2013 16: 09 New
      +3
      Quote: Druid
      You will then build Greater Armenia next to the Jewish Autonomous Region in Russia and prove to the Nanai and others that you were there before and you were mentioned in the Bible, call the Uyghurs Turks, and crackle with or without that most of the land lies in modern China.



      look into the water ..... laughing drinks
  28. Yuri
    Yuri 4 September 2013 15: 31 New
    +5
    It is necessary to rejoice. Rejoice !!! both in Armenia and in Russia!

    And then I read and marvel at stinging stupidity, a few commentators.
    Some of them are furious that favorable preconditions are forming in Armenia, for the further development of the country - Azerbaijanis whose eggs are shaking eggs from such news. You first started, precisely, in this topic. You better follow your Aliyev. And that is news here with the following headings: "Camps for training militants from the CIS in Syria are headed by Aliyev’s personal bodyguard"
    http://www.yerkramas.org/2013/09/02/lagerya-po-podgotovke-boevikov-iz-sng-v-siri
    i-vozglavlyaet-lichnyj-teloxranitel-alieva /
    or such "At least 30 militants from Azerbaijan were destroyed in Syria"
    http://anna-news.info/node/10844
    so gentlemen dreaming of Great Azerbaijan, neither Armenia nor Iran will give you anything or give anything to you. Dream with Israel and Turkey, they are closer to you !!!

    And to others, degenerates, I want to separate something, but not to attach it. The same downs rejoiced in the Khasavyurt agreements and advocated the speedy secession of Chechnya. And now everyone is repeating why they need something, why they need this. Well, since you don’t have enough “why” brains, they won’t be added from nowhere. And to explain something so stupid. Such need to be shot for the collapse and treason. People like you first prosralized the empire, then the union. But now everything is blathering, in full growth, in front of the monitor. You have already presented part of Dagestan to Azerbaijan! People like you most of all have blown nakoy to us to date it. Well right, it’s better to give the same upstarts as in this topic
    http://www.rus-obr.ru/ru-web/25039
    let's give Kamchatka so as not to date. or Yakutia, there also goes a lot of money. Why are you really not fumbling? or do you live on fifth-column subsidies ???? !!!
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 4 September 2013 15: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: Yuri
      It is necessary to rejoice. Rejoice !!! both in Armenia and in Russia!

      And then I read and marvel at stinging stupidity, a few commentators.
      Some of them are furious that favorable preconditions are forming in Armenia, for the further development of the country - Azerbaijanis whose eggs are shaking eggs from such news.


      already "rejoicing" in Armenia

      Hundred Armenians protest against joining the CU

      They are chanting “There is no return to the USSR” and “Russians, leave”

      More than a hundred people hold a protest against the accession of Armenia to the Customs Union. This was reported by the News-Armenia agency.

      Protesters gathered outside the presidential administration building in Yerevan. They are chanting “There is no return to the USSR” and “Russians, leave.” Several people who tried to block Marshal Baghramyan Avenue were detained. Yerevan Police Chief Ashot Karapetyan told REGNUM that the demonstrators had not complied with the lawful requirements of law enforcement officers, after which they were taken to the police for clarification.
      According to media reports, the action was pre-planned on the social network Facebook.
      Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan announced his intention to join the Customs Union on September 3 after a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin. Later, the Foreign Minister of Lithuania (currently chairing the European Union), Linas Linkevičius, said that this decision would deprive the republic of the opportunity to sign an agreement with the EU on a free trade zone. Armenia planned to initial the text of this agreement at the upcoming summit in Vilnius in November.
      The Customs Union, recall, began work in the 2010 year. It involves the application of uniform duty rates and the absence of customs screening between participating States. Initially, the union included Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan. Subsequently, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan also announced their intention to become participants.
      http://pan.md/news/Sotnya-armyan-vishla-protestovati-protiv-vstupleniya-v-TS/422


      68
      1. Gari
        Gari 4 September 2013 16: 08 New
        +1
        Quote: Apollon
        More than a hundred people hold a protest against the accession of Armenia to the Customs Union. This was reported by the News-Armenia agency.

        There are more than 100 people, (meaning we have so few grant pumps) for the whole of Armenia, but the remaining 3 million are happy, support their President
        believe me, if the truth would not have been supported, he certainly would not have returned to Yerevan
        finally what was about to happen happened
    2. Gari
      Gari 4 September 2013 16: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: Yuri
      It is necessary to rejoice. Rejoice !!! both in Armenia and in Russia!

      And we rejoice and congratulate everyone !!!
    3. smersh70
      smersh70 5 September 2013 00: 28 New
      +3
      Quote: Yuri
      http://anna-news.info/



      discussed it yesterday, Yuri .. lagging behind life) and read less Regnum and see Anna News laughing and then according to Musin, Assad is already 5 km from Washington wassat
  29. Druid
    Druid 4 September 2013 16: 04 New
    +3
    Quote: Yuri
    Azerbaijanis whose eggs are shaking from such news.
    I do not know where such conclusions from a clever and gifted? And why should I or another Azerbaijani have to reap eggs from such news as the entry of Armenians into the customs union? Armenia has long been a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization, which I personally don’t care, so that it’s easier for you to understand, Russia obviously will not fit in, but will send a warrior as mercenaries - Karabakh is not so great, there’s no sense in them, and the conversation with mercenaries is short and there’s no need to bother with prisoners .
    Quote: Yuri
    And then there is news with the following headlines: "Aliyev’s personal bodyguard camps for training militants from the CIS in Syria"
    http://www.yerkramas.org/2013/09/02/lagerya-po-podgotovke-boevikov-iz-sng-v-siri


    i-vozglavlyaet-lichnyj-teloxranitel-alieva /
    or such "At least 30 militants from Azerbaijan were destroyed in Syria"
    http://anna-news.info/node/10844
    so gentlemen daydreaming about Great Azerbaijan
    Well, well, what else is written on the wall in the Armenian toilet? lol

    If you are Russian, your trouble is that you are weak in spirit, Armenians should show loyalty to you everywhere and shout about love for Russians and lick them from head to toe, as this is not a union of equal partners. And if you are Armenians, there is nothing to be ashamed of and hiding, only one request, before you open your mouth, first get out of it.

    You didn’t understand one thing and a very important one, yes, we Azerbaijanis lost the first war and are preparing for the second and will win it, but like in the first war we did not kneel before anyone to win or to avoid defeat, so Now we won’t crawl on our knees. So there’s nothing to paint about how we are shaking our eggs, believe me they’re not shaking, the Armenians will have the opportunity to make sure of this, you want to, join them as soon as everything starts, just warn me, I’ll intentionally trample your eyes out.
    1. genisis
      genisis 4 September 2013 16: 27 New
      -3
      lost the first war and get ready for the second and win it, but like in the first war we didn’t kneel before anyone to win or to avoid defeat, and now we won’t crawl on our knees


      This mugam next year is exactly 20 years old from the 1994 Bishkek Protocol.
      1. gabatikuk
        gabatikuk 4 September 2013 17: 05 New
        -1
        Thanks for the comprehensive answer. good !
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay 5 September 2013 14: 31 New
        +3
        Quote: genisis
        years since the 1994 Bishkek Protocol

        David, you swore that Russia would not sell the T-90 to Azerbaijan and promised if you would eat your bowler like that, give me a canister of cognac with Vurgun and self-destruct))))))
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 5 September 2013 15: 06 New
          +3
          Yarbay !!!!!! he had already switched to another branch about Syria))))) and there he divorced in a terrible way ... I remembered for some reason donkeys too ...)))))) .....
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 5 September 2013 15: 18 New
            +3
            Quote: smersh70
            ! he has already switched to another branch about Syria

            Vurgun, we are not lucky even with enemies))))))))))
            People without Honor and do not know the value of their words)))
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 5 September 2013 15: 36 New
              0
              Quote: Yarbay
              Quote: smersh70
              ! he has already switched to another branch about Syria

              Vurgun, we are not lucky even with enemies))))))))))
              People without Honor and do not know the value of their words)))

              Are you sure? This mongrel on me tried to come off.
              It would be better if you had calmed this misunderstanding.
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 6 September 2013 00: 42 New
                +2
                Quote: Spade
                Are you sure? This mongrel on me tried to come off.
                It would be better if you had calmed this misunderstanding.

                Of course I'm sure)))
                They used to play frolic with Omar))))
                Handwriting issues))))))
              2. smersh70
                smersh70 6 September 2013 01: 45 New
                +2
                Quote: Spade
                Are you sure? This mongrel on me tried to come off.


                Lopatov ... if this is you to me, then choose the expression am


                and there I do not mean you ... and the wax-up ... they just deleted my koment and it turned out as if I were telling you .......
  30. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 4 September 2013 17: 12 New
    +3
    I think whoever and not to say and write, Russia and Armenia will be together .. so historically it has been a long time. (I always wondered how such an ancient culture was able to survive and survive surrounded by hostile states .. and to preserve their religion and territory ..) I don’t think I should list the talented people (so as not to offend) .. I said everything!
  31. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 4 September 2013 18: 04 New
    +3
    Today I think the record of comments in the thread will be broken .. laughing ))
  32. zgenia44
    zgenia44 4 September 2013 18: 07 New
    +2
    Armenophobia rolls over.
    1. genisis
      genisis 4 September 2013 18: 17 New
      0
      As well as the number of subsidiaries who speak Russian at the Russian-language forum "Military Review".
      Involuntarily you ask yourself a number of questions:
      a) where so many are from;
      b) what they all need here;
      c) what they are trying to convince everyone here.
      And given that almost all of them, except for a couple of nicknames, are personnel officers of the Ministry of National Security of Azerbaijan, it’s right to call the KGB for discussion. Can anyone recruit))))
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 4 September 2013 18: 37 New
        +2
        Quote: genisis
        And given that almost all of them, except for a couple of nicknames, are personnel officers of the Ministry of National Security of Azerbaijan, it’s right to call the KGB for discussion. Can anyone be recruited


        with pleasure I would settle down but alas they don’t take it. wassat Maybe go to the FSB. yes
        video about protests in Yerevan against joining the vehicle
      2. alone
        alone 4 September 2013 18: 45 New
        +6
        Quote: genisis
        As well as the number of subsidiaries who speak Russian at the Russian-language forum "Military Review".
        Involuntarily you ask yourself a number of questions:
        a) where so many are from;
        b) what they all need here;
        c) what they are trying to convince everyone here.
        And given that almost all of them, except for a couple of nicknames, are personnel officers of the Ministry of National Security of Azerbaijan, it’s right to call the KGB for discussion. Can anyone recruit))))



        unlike Armenia, we have Russian sectors preserved in secondary schools in Azerbaijan. And many Azerbaijanis study there. That’s why there are many Russian speakers here.
        if the site is Russian and we have nothing to do here, then this also applies to you. And as for the MNS employees, I will tell you this: they have their own affairs, right now they are not up to the sites))
      3. smersh70
        smersh70 5 September 2013 00: 37 New
        +3
        Quote: genisis
        Involuntarily you ask yourself a number of questions:
        a) where so many are from;
        b) what they all need here;
        c) what they are trying to convince everyone here.


        nothing ... you still have everything ahead am when we go on the offensive, ask the same questions .... laughing
        and when in my department you will drink real Azerbaijani tea smile(unfortunately I didn’t drink your lost cognac) after they’ll wash you)) then I’ll show you a crust drinks bully
  33. Yuri
    Yuri 4 September 2013 18: 18 New
    +3
    Quote: Apollon


    Hundred Armenians protest against joining the CU

    They are chanting “There is no return to the USSR” and “Russians, leave”


    there are enough fools in Russia. here, too, people go outside for money.
    or with a clouded mind (mostly young animals, like everywhere else where the tan made revolutions. young animals have not yet learned history, but they have already decided who the enemy is, who is the friend, who just like that). Georgians, too, all turned away from Russia. They forgot that they themselves on their knees in the composition of Russia requested !!!
    Look at Georgia! Who invests them? To whom does Misha sell everything ?! Already half sold to the Turks !!! Adjara is already living on the money of the Turks. 25 thousand Turks in Adjara received Georgian citizenship, if not more. But what a flag Misha did to the Georgians! How he brags about Batumi! But what are Georgians saying now? And they say that Misha should go to the side. That without Russia it will be difficult. Yes, they want to go to Europe and America, many still, but they began to look at Russia differently after Misha, that's a fact !!!
    And you, gentlemen, Azerbaijanis, why do you want a new war? Have you been promised a sweet piece?
    If you are Russian, your trouble is that you are weak in spirit, Armenians should show loyalty to you everywhere and shout about love for Russians and lick them from head to toe, as this is not a union of equal partners. And if you are Armenians, there is nothing to be ashamed of and hiding, only one request, before you open your mouth, first get out of it.

    it will remain a mystery to you. you sort of went through everyone, but you never guessed.
    You didn’t understand one thing and a very important one, yes, we Azerbaijanis lost the first war and are preparing for the second and will win it, but like in the first war we did not kneel before anyone to win or to avoid defeat, so Now we won’t crawl on our knees. So there’s nothing to paint about how we are shaking our eggs, believe me they’re not shaking, the Armenians will have the opportunity to make sure of this, you want to, join them as soon as everything starts, just warn me, I’ll intentionally trample your eyes out.

    you didn’t understand one simple thing. They both manipulated and continue to manipulate you. If you do not understand who arranged all the wars in the post-Soviet space, I am sorry for you. Therefore, then your soul is weak, not mine. The State Department is manipulating you and not me.
    and the fact that they are "shaking" immediately became apparent from the raining comments. So these are not questions to me, but to "my own."
    if you are good news, for neighbors, you can’t perceive normally, these are your difficulties !!! if in your head there is nothing but revanchist sentiment, these are your problems !!! if you are already signed up for a contract in the NATO army, these are your difficulties !!! if you live peacefully weakly, these are your difficulties !!!

    and here if you openly write here that you are preparing for a new war, then why are you so dismissing the preparation of others for a foreign war? why are you shy?
  34. left-wing
    left-wing 4 September 2013 18: 33 New
    +2
    I hope Putin’s term is enough to build a Eurasian Union with 90% of the ex-Soviet republics, we have no other way for development. And despite all the problems and contradictions, Georgia and Ukraine will also enter into it.
  35. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 4 September 2013 21: 22 New
    -4
    Quote: links
    I hope Putin’s term is enough to build a Eurasian Union with 90% of the ex-Soviet republics, we have no other way for development. And despite all the problems and contradictions, Georgia and Ukraine will also enter into it.

    If you don’t want to repeat the fate of such states (independent and stable ..) as Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Egypt .. Syria (next in line) .. etc. then welcome to us stability and development will be joint .. If not ! You will be taught tomahawks and unmanned zones .. (and don’t rely on us .. if that ..) .... These are the things .. Russia is tired of betrayal just .. we others are already alas evil ..and if you understand we won’t especially ... Just tired of all this cockerel of the world .. (I can’t pick up another expression .. alas ..))))
  36. Brave
    Brave 4 September 2013 22: 12 New
    -2
    Commenting on the agreements reached, Vladimir Putin emphasized that the connection of Yerevan to the Eurasian integration structures will give a powerful impetus to mutually beneficial economic cooperation. Commenting on the agreements reached, Vladimir Putin emphasized that the connection of Yerevan to the Eurasian integration structures will give a powerful impetus to mutually beneficial economic cooperation.
    This will be expressed in the next infusion of money, but our brothers are such Armenians.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 4 September 2013 22: 28 New
      +3
      Quote: Bold
      This will be expressed in the next infusion of money, but our brothers are such Armenians.


      Immediately along the way, the question is what benefit would Russia receive if Azerbaijan joined the CU and CSTO ?!
      and from here draw a conclusion where Russia would benefit more from an alliance with Armenia or Azerbaijan ?!
      1. Brave
        Brave 4 September 2013 22: 46 New
        -1
        Russia would benefit from an alliance with Armenia and Azerbaijan, and they would also benefit, because within a single state, conflicts and problems are resolved faster ... and not only for this.
        1. Apollo
          Apollo 4 September 2013 23: 00 New
          +2
          Quote: Bold
          Russia would benefit from an alliance with Armenia and Azerbaijan, and they would also benefit, because within a single state, conflicts and problems are resolved faster ... and not only for this.


          I’ll give you an example of Artem. Maybe the comparison is incorrect and nonetheless. According to the NATO charter, a state that has controversial issues with its neighbors is denied access to the organization. How can two states get along in a military alliance, I mean the CSTO is the first. Second if in a military plan there is no consensus then what kind of economic union can we talk about ?!
          Azerbaijan aspires to the CSTO, but the unresolved territorial issue stands in the way. What do you yourself know without me.
        2. experienced
          experienced 4 September 2013 23: 06 New
          +3
          Quote: Bold
          Russia would benefit from an alliance with Armenia and Azerbaijan,

          You will be given the Nobel Prize if you can combine the impossible.
          Two countries are at war and are you going to reconcile them?
          It seems to me that Russia does not need to climb here and rely on "time will judge everything." This is not our conflict, and our soldiers and officers should not die there. IMHO hi
          1. Brave
            Brave 4 September 2013 23: 16 New
            -1
            The passage of time has recently been unraveling with incredible speed, perhaps the time will come and both of these states will themselves be interested in solving their problems and becoming a worthy part of the new Union.
          2. genisis
            genisis 5 September 2013 12: 30 New
            -1
            Two countries are at war and are you going to reconcile them?

            Armenia has never fought with Azerbaijan and is not at war with it. Azerbaijan fought with and lost to the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic.
            This is not our conflict and our soldiers and officers should not die there.

            All of them are not Armenians: Dmitry Motrich, Zakhar Lyubchich, Mirza Abaev and others, who have a blessed memory, died in that war as volunteers, and not following someone's order. It will be the same now. Russian officers and soldiers will take part in the database on orders only if the Turks come up with the crazy idea of ​​attacking the Republic of Armenia, which is linked to Russia by the Collective Security Treaty.
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 5 September 2013 14: 36 New
      +2
      Quote: Bold
      a powerful impetus to mutually beneficial economic cooperation.

      How?))))
      Once again, Russia will simply lend to Armenia, and those grandmothers will be eaten by officials)))))) What does Armenia have ??
  37. experienced
    experienced 4 September 2013 22: 24 New
    +7
    Summing up the comments you can distinguish:
    - not all Russians like Armenia being planted on the ridge of the TS ...
    - Armenians rejoice, and some are indignant ...
    - Azerbaijanis are in shock, but with faith in the future ...
    - Natalia is indignant, but alas, the world in which she lives is not perfect
    And Russia hitched another "sucker", in which we will pump only money request
    I would have been given 15 billion. I would have built a high-speed road in Russia with stations ... With that kind of money, you can dig the whole of Armenia through the metro winked
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 5 September 2013 00: 44 New
      +3
      Quote: seasoned
      Summing up the comments you can distinguish:


      and why should we be in shock))))) it has long been known that Armenia \ will join the Union)) .. by the way, it seems that they did not break the record laughing about 450 comments))) another article on Ukraine typed seems 520)))) wait until tomorrow .... fellow when the genesis will begin to talk about the impact of Azerbaijani volleyball on the accession of Armenia to the CU tongue
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 5 September 2013 14: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: seasoned
      - Azerbaijanis are in shock, but with faith in the future ..

      I would be shocked if they went to the EU))))
      and so they have nowhere to go))
  38. Druid
    Druid 4 September 2013 23: 52 New
    +1
    Quote: genisis
    are staffing officers of the Ministry of National Security of Azerbaijan, it’s right to call the KGB for discussion. Can anyone recruit))))
    lol And they did not ask how many of them there could be in total - the "Transcaucasian Turk-KGB" or MTN employees? I like the forum, a lot of interesting things, although I have to sweep the mountains of garbage, but with all due respect to the forum, it would be very fat, and you need to drive the “Chekists” who are eating their salaries lol Speaking of the Russian language, Azerbaijan now has the opposite picture of the Soviet one, not in quantitative but in percentage terms, there are more Russian-speaking people in the province.

    You can make fun of the Armenians as long as you like, and if you don’t explain the true reason, the Russian / Russian forum users really will not understand.
    Long before the current visit of the President of Armenia to Moscow and the announcement of joining the customs union, a number of Azerbaijani observers wrote that all this hype with European integration in Armenia, an echo of those protests after the presidential election. We talked about European integration, showed our alleged independence, plastered the image of the puppet as the Armenian president, people let off steam, then they began to write more and more often, and by the way, it’s quite objective that Armenia’s kirdyk without Russia, and it's not just about the war with Azerbaijan for economic reasons, arms supplies turned up very opportunely, and Putin’s visit to Azerbaijan, the Armenian citizen generally let his pants down, sorry, it’s called prepared the population and ... went to Moscow.



    I’ll continue, there’s nothing serious here, because it was fun to watch how and how much they let go into the pants, that the mind was even more or less stupid from the Armenian population. Well, there couldn’t be a Russian supply of arms to Azerbaijan, such a demarche of the Russian Federation with supposedly an attempt by Armenia to enter another G, European. You don’t have to be seven spans in your forehead to understand that almost 100 T-90S, 100 BMP-3 and so on, these are not clay pots, you don’t get it in a couple of months, the contract was signed long before the performance about the independence of Armenia. But fear has big eyes, this is returning to the one who has the eggs pressed.
    In short, laughter and only that, even Russian and Azerbaijani townspeople are fooled by more interesting and more colorful smile
    ANYWHERE Armenia will not disappear and will fulfill all the plans of Russia and enter where and what lol they will order her. Armenia sometimes imagines itself to be a kind of Israel in the Caucasus, but sorry, this is far from the case and never will be. Russia does not have and did not have partners (well, except for the fleet and the army), all the more so for the modern one, there were and will be only powerless vassals, and in the case of Armenia this is more than right.
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 5 September 2013 10: 16 New
      0
      Quote: Druid
      And they did not ask how many of them there could be in total - the "Transcaucasian Turk KGB" or MTN employees

      Good girl, Druid.
      As one friend said:
      Quote: xasharat
      In war, all means are good
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 5 September 2013 14: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: Druid
      I like the forum, a lot of interesting things, although I have to sweep the mountains of garbage, but with all due respect to the forum, it would be very fat, and you need to drive the “Chekists” who are eating their salaries

      I completely agree)))))))
      Quote: Druid
      Long before the current visit of the President of Armenia to Moscow and the announcement of joining the customs union, a number of Azerbaijani observers wrote that all this hype with European integration in Armenia, an echo of those protests after the presidential election. We talked about European integration, showed our alleged independence, plastered the image of the puppet as the Armenian president, people let off steam, then they began to write more and more often, and by the way, it’s quite objective that Armenia’s kirdyk without Russia, and it's not just about the war with Azerbaijan for economic reasons, arms supplies turned up very opportunely, and Putin’s visit to Azerbaijan, the Armenian citizen generally let his pants down, sorry, it’s called prepared the population and ... went to Moscow.



      I’ll continue, there’s nothing serious here, because it was fun to watch how and how much they let go into the pants, that the mind was even more or less stupid from the Armenian population. Well, there couldn’t be a Russian supply of arms to Azerbaijan, such a demarche of the Russian Federation with supposedly an attempt by Armenia to enter another G, European. You don’t have to be seven spans in your forehead to understand that almost 100 T-90S, 100 BMP-3 and so on, these are not clay pots, you don’t get it in a couple of months, the contract was signed long before the performance about the independence of Armenia. But fear has big eyes, this is returning to the one who has the eggs pressed.
      In short, laughter and only that, even Russian and Azerbaijani townspeople are fooled by more interesting and more colorful
      ANYWHERE Armenia will not disappear and will fulfill all the plans of Russia and enter where and what they will order. Armenia sometimes imagines itself to be a kind of Israel in the Caucasus, but sorry, this is far from the case and never will be.

      ++++++! Exact analysis! I agree!
  39. gabatikuk
    gabatikuk 5 September 2013 00: 14 New
    +1
    There was a time when I announced that Armenia would necessarily join the CU, some wise men, who did not believe in sarcasm, asked: “where is the signature?” Soon there will be a signature, like this. drinks
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 5 September 2013 00: 54 New
      +2
      Quote: gabatikuk
      “and where is the signature?” Soon there will be a signature, like this.



      So you said this to your grandmother’s neighbors when they cut off the light in Yerevan)))))) we didn’t hear about it))) or you’re a personal adviser / Sargsyan! well, the flag is in your hands fellow we are neither cold nor hot from this))))))
  40. Druid
    Druid 5 September 2013 01: 15 New
    +2
    Quote: gabatikuk
    from soon there will be a signature, like this. drinks
    You can be cunning for a long time and play giveaways, but if you look frankly at night -! I'm glad that you were not mistaken good . If only the unexpected did not happen and as soon as possible Armenia would ratify all the documents. If you had still joined the union state or how it would start joining the Eurasian Union, then it would have been great in general. This will finally dot all the “I's” in the region and in the politics of the major powers in the South Caucasus and Central Asia.
    There is nothing more profitable for Azerbaijan, as the integration of Armenia into similar Russian projects and the faster and the larger the number, the better for us, this will strengthen our security and independence, in addition, it will be a catalyst for changes for the better, will serve as an impetus for more democratization , well, of course, he will untie his hands in Karabakh.
    If not stupid, then you will understand why.
  41. Cormorants
    Cormorants 5 September 2013 08: 04 New
    0
    Quote: seasoned
    Taking advantage of the fact that the site has not yet reached the point that it supports feminists, I declare:
    Natalia, bring up children (if any), feed your husband delicious dishes (if you have a husband) and don’t meddle in military topics feel There are a lot of culinary and glamorous forums on the Internet, and for what purpose?

    Natalia well done! I do not see anything wrong with the fact that the girl is interested in political and military topics. Do you want our women to visit the glamorous sites "..- So that the brains bloomed from rags and cotton wool .."
  42. Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny 5 September 2013 08: 17 New
    +3
    In itself, the desire of Armenia to join the CU is wonderful. But you can’t rush. Russia has a slightly strange policy, for decades they have been putting sticks in the wheel of integration processes, then they are headlong and not thinking about the consequences, they are trying to restore the Union.
    Kazakhstan has officially said that Russia is in a hurry. Yes, we must unite. And with Armenia, and with Azerbaijan, and with Ukraine - but without storming.
    Does Armenia want a vehicle? OK. But let him first carry out all the necessary reforms in his country that relate to the economy. Otherwise, they will finish off their economy and it will make them worse. Even the Kazakhstanis really felt a deterioration in some positions. Of course, we understand that this is a “step back, two steps forward,” but Kazakhstan has a great tensile strength. Armenia does not have it. The CU will simply crush the Armenian economy, and it is possible that even the alcohol industry in this country will suffer greatly due to the import of Russian and Kazakh alcohol products.
    It would be more logical to build a consistent chain - first Azerbaijan, then Armenia. And at this time, the countries of the CU should provide advice and investment assistance to Armenia (“not feed”, but help to get on their feet, hoping for a subsequent return on investment and efforts).
    In addition, we will not leave the Karabakh issue anywhere. Armenia needs to cede - either return it to Azerbaijan in exchange for investment and integration, or create a special territorial entity there under the collective management of the Union countries, which will decide the fate of this region.
    Legally, Azerbaijan has all the rights to this territory, but Baku should understand (and I hope, understand) that the Armenians of Karabakh will not give up just like that. It will no longer be just Azerbaijani land. It seems to me that this should be a special region in the Eurasian Union, which will not be subordinated to either Baku or Yerevan. And then, when relations between the two countries normalize, when both Armenians and Azerbaijanis live in the world, then it will be possible to think further. For now, it is necessary to transfer Karabakh to a third party - Russia or the collective administration of the CU countries.

    Z.Y. The Armenians were already doing stupid things when entering without preparing for economic unions - an example is the WTO, after which they stole the entire economy.
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 5 September 2013 10: 20 New
      0
      Quote: Marek Rozny
      But let him first carry out all the necessary reforms in his country that relate to the economy. Otherwise, they will finally finish off their economy and this will make them worse

      Marek, you understand perfectly well that fairy tales about reforms can be told endlessly. Yes, and the lives of Russian workers are far from cloudless.
      But no one gives time for reform or thought.
      It simply does not exist.
      1. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 6 September 2013 08: 24 New
        +1
        These are reforms in Moldova - fairy tales. We have a different situation. By the way, you too have already thoughtlessly entered into trade unions. Moldova, Armenia, Kyrgyzstan got into the WTO without creating the prerequisite conditions in their country. Apparently there was again "no time for reform or thought."
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 6 September 2013 10: 02 New
          0
          Quote: Marek Rozny
          Moldova, Armenia, Kyrgyzstan got into the WTO without creating the prerequisite conditions in their country. Apparently there was again "no time for reform or thought."

          The situation is somewhat different, if not the opposite.
          There are times when it would be necessary later, but the situation dictates and pushes.
          In the case of the WTO, it would not be necessary at all, and good advisers are kicking our pathetic managers. Because the conditions suggest a completely different thing - joining the WTO is disastrous for any economy that does not play the first role in the organization.
          Let's focus not on the actions of the figlars, but on the requirements of the time.
  43. Cormorants
    Cormorants 5 September 2013 08: 24 New
    0
    Quote: seasoned
    And a small remark, if you have children, then think about what it is better to spend the budget of Russia: For the free supply of weapons, bad loans, 15 billion rubles to the railway of Armenia or to education, medicine, defense of Russia

    Well, yes, let's spend 15 billion rubles on education, then NATO will come to Armenia and invest no less in it, and rockets will stand near the country with well-fed schoolchildren, excellent. We cannot lose Armenia, what happened to the lost Georgia, everyone knows very well, they lost Ukraine, they almost lost their naval bases, they are conducting Russophobic policies.
    America over what policy pursues to seize the hands of the former Soviet republics. And we must look at this until, finally, the time comes when not a single rocket leaves its position with a reciprocal goal.
  44. saag
    saag 5 September 2013 08: 47 New
    0
    Quote: smersh70
    real azeri tea

    Indian is better :-)
  45. Rash
    Rash 5 September 2013 09: 05 New
    0
    For a long time it was necessary to involve Armenia in the CU when it was just being created. This is GEO policy
  46. Selevc
    Selevc 5 September 2013 10: 50 New
    +1
    Interestingly, Armenia will enter the CU with or without Karabakh? And how will Azerbaijan react to this? Russia's positions in the Transcaucasus directly depend on the resolution of the Karabakh issue !!!
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 5 September 2013 12: 14 New
      0
      Quote: Selevc
      Interestingly, Armenia will enter the CU with or without Karabakh? And how will Azerbaijan react to this? Russia's positions in the Transcaucasus directly depend on the resolution of the Karabakh issue !!!

      Then Russia will acquire a fierce enemy in the person of Azerbaijan, and even Ilham Aliyev will not be able to do anything here, he will not give a blow to the discontent of the people about the support provided by Moscow to the Armenians, but then he will go nuts.
      And in Russia there are not so many stupid people to spoil relations with the largest and only independent Muslim republic of the Caucasus, having on its own border the much more radical North Caucasus.
      They will accept Armenia, and Karabakh will again have the status quo.
    2. genisis
      genisis 5 September 2013 12: 21 New
      -3
      The Nagorno-Karabakh Republic is not part of the Customs Union. Armenia and NKR are two different states.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 5 September 2013 14: 42 New
        +4
        Quote: genisis
        The Nagorno-Karabakh Republic is not part of the Customs Union. Armenia and NKR are two different states.

        Wah !!))))))))))))
  47. Druid
    Druid 5 September 2013 14: 37 New
    +2
    Close the topic would have entered and Thank God hi Moreover, three NIKs are the same people, having failed to state their position and having hit in losing disputes, they are now writing nonsense under the flags of other states, but at the same time blocking opponents through the "black list".
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 5 September 2013 15: 10 New
      +3
      ... Lopatov also supports such truth-loving people !!!!!!!!!!! and he also proudly talks about it! and complains about us .. (see articles about Syria) ......
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 5 September 2013 15: 17 New
        +1
        Quote: smersh70
        . Lopatov also supports such truth-loving people !!!!!!!!!!! and he also proudly talks about it! and complains about us .. (see articles about Syria

        Do you know whom I do not perceive? Liars.
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 6 September 2013 01: 53 New
          -1
          Quote: Spade
          Do you know whom I do not perceive? Liars.



          have a conscience, Lopatov !!! sorry to delete the comments ... because you rebuked us there to create a band here .. didn’t you / you supported Natalia that divorced us here ... and you support Armenia .. and minus me. ...... look at the comments ... about 20 comments have been erased ... including mine and yours ......... ayayayay .. it's not good to lie ..........
  48. smersh70
    smersh70 5 September 2013 14: 46 New
    0
    Hasharat !!!! I completely agree with you! look in today's branches !!!!!!!!! Moderator Tersky immediately attacked me, threatening the rules because I am minus. Assad’s defenders ..... while ... Genesis and Voskeparam began to recall donkeys and other animals .......

    THAT and why double standards are manifested !!!!!!!!!!! they can, but we can not bring our reasons !!!!!!!!!! and besides our very accurately fall into the mark !!!!! !!!!! hi
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 5 September 2013 15: 19 New
      0
      Quote: smersh70
      Hasharat !!!! I completely agree with you! look in today's branches !!!!!!!!! Moderator Tersky immediately attacked me, threatening the rules because I am minus. Assad’s defenders ..... while ... Genesis and Voskeparam here began to recall donkeys and other animals ......
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 5 September 2013 15: 20 New
      +4
      Quote: smersh70
      Here and why double standards are shown !!!!!

      This is a rule throughout the world))) It's time to get used to it)))
  49. Druid
    Druid 5 September 2013 17: 19 New
    +1
    Quote: xasharat
    THIS IS ALL OUR TROUBLE.
    Don’t get excited, Countryman, first of all there is no trouble, you’re a Muslim shyukyur, you are a Türk! We are all descendants of Adam (A.S.) and Havva (Eve), but it would be better if I was born one-legged and one-eyed than a Gregorian and an Armenian ...
    There is a topic, Armenia joins the CU, it is beneficial for us. The only obstacle for us in restoring justice, liberating the land is Russia, it is neither bad nor good, and it is pretty big and strong, THIS FACT we are weaker than Russia, obviously we can stretch her eye out, but we can’t win, but she supports our adversary is also a fact.
    But Russia is scrap, and "there is no method against scrap if there is no other scrap," Russia itself is pushing us to "pick up another scrap." The accession of Armenia to the Customs Union facilitates our task of weakening the position of Armenia outside the region and the CIS; they, the Armenians, will no longer be able to load the West, and we no longer have anyone to rely on except the West. Like it or not, we need to look for someone who is no weaker than Russia, and who can give her a hand if she tries to intervene in the hostilities in Karabakh. And so that they would be given only declarations and moral support, it’s not enough, otherwise we will repeat the fate of Georgia.
    So min shykur and a kurban olum Allah (translation: a thousandfold praise and God accept me as a sacrifice), that we have the resources, there is oil, gas (and the notorious shale), gold, aluminum, copper, iron, etc. , and we are important for the diversification of energy supplies to Europe, which oh how does not want to depend on Russia and sit on its gas needle.
    It’s not worth boiling every time, you’ll tear yourself up, you just have to do your job quietly and silently, I repeat, the fact that Armenia bent down and laid down before Russia again, to us in this, this period, is only GOOD. Well, at least Russia will not tear our ally, do not confuse the Russians with the leadership of Russia, so we have the ONLY way out, while maintaining normal relations with the Russians, as with the people, to take scrap (more precisely, the STICK, if we recall our proverb), which Putin and Koh and solve the problem of occupied territories, restore borders. And then we'll see what and how. The main thing is not to lie down under anyone, Ilham A. for only one KISHI, that even with those problems in Azerbaijan that are being shouted like a slaughtered opposition (they’re not shared lol ) that he, and with him we, does not lie under anyone — neither under Russia, nor under Iran, nor under Turkey, nor under Europe, nor under the States.
    So min shyukyur, that we are not only Muslims, Turks, but we are AZERBAIJANI.
  50. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 5 September 2013 19: 35 New
    0
    Well, what can I say .. Armenia with Russia as always .. (I judge by the comments. And not only ..) Cool down the guys .. !! It always has been and will be .. Let's get better to us))) You won’t last long .... just such a feeling .. NO AGREEMENT AND NO PROBLEMS ... (no offense ..)
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 5 September 2013 20: 20 New
      +2
      Quote: MIKHAN
      .Armenia with Russia as always

      with you and under you are two different things.
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Let's get to us)))

      you hold the occupier and call to him. No thanks so far.
      Quote: MIKHAN
      ) For a long time you do not stretch .... just a feeling ..

      Well, thank God a sensation, not a given, as with Armenia.
      Quote: MIKHAN
      NO AGREEMENT AND NO PROBLEMS ... (no offense ..)

      And what kind of contract is not?