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Vladimir Vladimirovich repeats the thesis of Victor Stepanovich

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We wanted the best, but it turned out as always ... What a capacious and vital phrase! And it is so vital that many, both domestic and state initiatives, are sometimes perfectly described by it. In all likelihood, this phrase of Viktor Chernomyrdin becomes flesh today. Only here, in the year 1993, Viktor Stepanovich gave his message to the masses in an aphoristically short and understandable way, then representatives of the current Russian government, in fact, using the same expression, prefer much more cumbersome and streamlined forms to aphoristic.


Vladimir Vladimirovich repeats the thesis of Victor Stepanovich


It was possible to judge that “we wanted the best, but it turned out as always,” according to the recent speech by the Russian president at a meeting with Far Eastern students in Vladivostok. In the course of the president’s conversation with young people, one of the students, as it turned out, waving over the economic edge of the Russian budget, suggested that Vladimir Putin think over payments to Russian families who do not take their children to kindergartens. It would seem that the head of state, in a rather extensive answer to a question or proposal that has become characteristic of him lately, declares something like “the proposal looks good, and we will certainly discuss it with the government during one of the joint sessions”, but nothing like Did not happen. Putin’s answer, despite its streamlined and ornateness, unequivocally told the questioner that the Russian authorities are not planning to provide not only new expenses, but revisions are possible with the old expenses and are acceptable to the head of state.

Vladimir Putin:
“The world economy has fallen, and ours sits down behind it a little. That is, we expected that it will grow to such a state, and it will grow to such a "
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Vladimir Putin:
“At one time we made a decision on the payment of the so-called maternity capital. This, in fact, was one of my initiatives, but these are huge funds that are even difficult to calculate, because if we pay money, and now they are over 400 thousand rubles, if we pay money to all families who have a second child, we can't figure out how many such families there will be. ”
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Vladimir Putin: "
Now the government is facing a difficult choice - somewhere we will have to proceed in advance from the realities, and somewhere to cut our previously anticipated expenses. ”
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Is this not the epic Chernomyrdin "We wanted the best ..."? The answer of the president is precisely in this vein, in spite of all his apparent covertness. If the veil hung by the head of state is removed, it turns out that the recent words of Finance Minister Anton Siluanov about the opportunity to save the budget, having refused to pay maternity capital after 2016, are generally supported by the president. In fact, the president makes it unequivocally clear that the existing unintelligible economic growth in the country, which seems more like stagnation, does not allow for the full realization of the entire volume of social programs. But in the correctional activities in terms of social programs, there are not only maternity capital points, but also points on pension reform (with a “discussed” increase in the retirement age), points on “optimization” of wages in the public sector.

I remember how we actively discussed how far Anton Siluanov was from the people, who wants to leave Russian families without the opportunity to receive remuneration from the state for the birth of their second child ... We discussed the incorrectness of Dmitry Medvedev's moves, which promised Siluanov to think over the proposals of pension reform and cancellation of everything same maternal capital ...

And then suddenly, against the background of this intergovernmental theater, another figure appears - the figure of the president, declaring that “we expected that it would grow to such a state, but it grows to such a level”. It turns out that Vladimir Putin has no choice but to try to justify a possible reduction in social spending, to which our country will most likely come as a result of a noticeable reduction in economic growth. In this case, Siluanov could only say what he was allowed to say “from above” in order to get the main portion of the discontent of the “masses”. And when the masses cooled down, the president joined in, saying that the Minister of Finance, in general, was right ... At the same time, the economic “expectations” of Vladimir Putin themselves look a bit strange.

If President Putin hoped that “she (the economy) would be like that,” then it turns out that a wide circle of his advisers and assistants should be put on fat and not be dispersed over 101 km from the capital, as they introduced the head of state into their delusion ... But the most interesting thing is that not all advisers and presidential aides calmed him with the words about “rapid economic growth” and “bold future”, which means that not all were pushing to expand some social programs and freeze others. One of those advisers to Vladimir Putin, who spoke of highly probable problems in the Russian economy, which finally sat on the oil and gas pipe and had its legs dangling from it, was and remains an economist Sergei Glazyev. It turns out that Putin, as his adviser, did not believe Glazyev either, or simply drove his predictions away from himself, hoping for the classic Russian and perhaps for the “miracle-jerk” of the Russian financial system ...

Of course, it was hard for the president to realize that the annual growth of the economy could fall below 3% and at the same time continue to rush down. It was even harder to explain to the Russians about the fact that we would not go far on such an economy. In the end, all this led to the fact that the authorities will most likely have to fall back on unpopular social measures.

But here another question arises: even assuming that the president did not want to take into account the slowdown in economic growth for a long time, and now he has finally taken it into account, why is the possibility of financial constraints determined once again at the level of social policy? For some reason, they do not persistently talk about new super-profits from selling expensive oil, which can patch holes not only in the sphere of social promises made in May of last year, but also actively invest in domestic production that can act as a driver of the economy at any time. There is no mention of the need to block the channels of capital outflow abroad, the volume of which (outflow) is hundreds of times higher than the volume of all social programs in Russia combined. Apparently, all this requires much more tedious work than a simple cuts in the social sector. After all, mothers with children will not put an ultimatum to state authorities, but oligarchic circles, in the event of infringement of their unlimited rights and freedoms, may well shuffle any vertical with an ultimatum ...

If the state is going to save radically, it turns out that the savings will once again be aimed at blindly storing dollars and euros in the reserve fund while waiting for the money to save us from the crisis again ... Perhaps they will. But then it will be like some kind of strange game: first, pre-election and elective promises, then a timid start to their fulfillment, and then we dry the oars, for the crisis ...
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 4 September 2013 08: 04 New
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    Of course, it was hard for the president to realize that the annual growth of the economy could fall below 3% and at the same time continue to rush down. It was even harder to explain to the Russians about the fact that we would not go far on such an economy. In the end, all this led to the fact that the authorities will most likely have to fall back on unpopular social measures.

    Yes, everybody counted, everybody counted and now they will throw people? These are the realities of the present.
    1. Mitek
      Mitek 4 September 2013 08: 38 New
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      Not there they save. The country has enough money. But all this money is stolen wherever possible. AND NO ONE ANSWERS ANYTHING. Zadolbala this parody of the fight against corruption !!! The bureaucrats, who were soooooo safe from impunity, do not know where to get the money, but they catch doctors for taking a bribe of a thousand rubles and teachers who take sessions from different clowns for money and report on a successful fight against hellish corruption doctors and teachers. And the program "maternity capital" was probably the only one where bureaucrats did not steal money, so they cover it. I would cancel it in the regions of the North Caucasus. There, with demographics, everything is fine. And in Russia I would leave ... But no one will do that. Nedimon will make a speech, drill another nonsense and that's it. Putin has done a lot for the country, he did not let it fall apart, he has an excellent foreign policy, but personally, I am inclined to believe that he played his own. Now the main threat is not NATO, but officials and general impunity. He stole a rabbit, three years in a colony, stole a billion-year probation. Serdyukov swine is still free! Well, where is it seen !!! Electricity to China is cheaper than to the domestic market. Oil dollars in green paper. It is necessary to revive our production, to take the factories from the "effective owners" who can only, that they can hand over the scrap metal machines!
      1. AlNick
        AlNick 4 September 2013 08: 56 New
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        Oh, the state is weak to cut back the income of the oligarchs.
        1. Cyril7377
          Cyril7377 4 September 2013 10: 08 New
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          Of course, it’s weak, because you need to start with your inner circle, with your friends who drink vodka with you, they steam in the bathhouse, they catch fish :)
        2. FATEMOGAN
          FATEMOGAN 4 September 2013 17: 39 New
          +8
          Quote: AlNick
          Oh, the state is weak to cut back the income of the oligarchs.


          Fortunately Old Man fights with them, hi there is a positive example, if there were elections for the president of a union state, he would surely have taken first place. The request is small, but you could not invite a dozen other oligarchs to visit you, for ........, a cup of coffee laughing
          1. Hon
            Hon 4 September 2013 18: 20 New
            +4
            In general, I am not a supporter of the Old Man and his methods, but now I would vote for him.
          2. CTEPX
            CTEPX 4 September 2013 18: 44 New
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            Quote: FATEMOGAN
            Fortunately Old Man fights with them

            Let's hope that Putya calculated everything correctly, and the Old Man does not drift ... as happened)).
        3. Uhe
          Uhe 4 September 2013 20: 13 New
          +3
          So this is the state of oligarchs;) All officials - at least the vast majority - are not only millionaires, but also owners (or as feeds as lobbyists) of large commercial enterprises, whose interests they serve.

          This is called oligarchic capitalism, because the state serves the interests of big capital, and the oligarchs are in power. Moreover, oligarchism in the Russian Federation has a clear corporate, clanish connotation.

          So you can’t cut it down, because you can’t cut yourself;)
      2. 77bor1973
        77bor1973 4 September 2013 09: 56 New
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        It’s still necessary to disperse all NANOSKOLKOVs, that’s where the dough settles a lot.
        1. Tartary
          Tartary 4 September 2013 12: 58 New
          -2
          Plow, guys for yourself ...
          But, not just for yourself, but for yourself and, accordingly, for the gross domestic product, for the family in the first place ...
          This will lead to the saturation of the Russian market with something that is little or not at all, and then, the abundance of all kinds of different products has come, as the capitalist model teaches us, will lead small businesses to success ... !!!

          After all, no one touches the semi-marginals for their "good" business ...
          And so it’s worth going to large-scale production of whatever it is, so to speak - through thorns to the stars ...

          Well, as anyone wants, I can still understand what I mean ...
      3. Ribwort
        Ribwort 4 September 2013 11: 22 New
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        Quote: Mitek
        AND NO ONE ANSWERS ANYTHING. Zadolbala this parody of the fight against corruption !!!

        Well, why are you so shy ... I will say bluntly: This government is sick of it! Or does someone think that everything will suddenly change in a miraculous way?
        Stop stealing, begin to bear personal responsibility for what is happening in the country, begin to give adequate penalties for economic crimes ??? Yeah! On the way, another amnesty is expected for crooks. It seems that with Serdyukov and Vasilyeva they’ll get to her exactly ...
      4. Lapotnik
        Lapotnik 4 September 2013 16: 08 New
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        From the last GDP interview, I think everything is clear:

        K. KLEYMENOV: You know, I, in continuation of the topic of objectivity and justice, want to ask about the judicial system, or rather, about some of the decisions that this system gives rise to light. Here is a certain, concrete, however, example - a mediocre official in court received several years conditionally for the proven theft of 400 of about one million rubles, and at the same time a rural teacher, who part-time manages a local club, for taking a bribe in size
        400 thousand rubles receive seven years of strict regime and 3 million rubles compensation fine. He, if I am not mistaken, is a father of many children. You know, well, I do not even ask about the logic of these decisions. I, of course, understand that you cannot say that the judgment was unfair there. But it seems that this state of affairs is, of course, impossible to tolerate, the system needs to be changed, this is some kind of nonsense.

        VLADIMIR PUTIN: You know, seemingly almost the same thing outwardly, but according to the logic of the legislator, crimes still have different social dangers. For example, the damage to the victim may be the same, say, a million rubles. Someone has stolen a million rubles, and someone has been robbed for a million rubles, only robbery is a more socially dangerous crime, committed with greater audacity. Despite the fact that the damage is the same for the victim, it is still a punishment for the robber, it is usually more than for the one who committed the seizure of material or cash in the amount of one million in secret. When a thief steals, he assumes that the victim does not see what he is doing, and the robber knows in advance that the victim sees everything, understands, and he nevertheless defiantly commits such a crime. The damage is the same, and the punishment may be different, and this, by the way, is justified.

        The example you gave, of course, does not fit completely into the one I have cited.

        K. KLEYMENOV: Yes, this is an example with a specific last name.


        etc.
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 4 September 2013 19: 24 New
          +3
          Quote: Lapotnik
          The damage is the same, but the punishment can be different, and this, by the way, is justified.
      5. FATEMOGAN
        FATEMOGAN 4 September 2013 17: 34 New
        +1
        Quote: Mitek
        Not there they save. The country has enough money. But all this money is stolen wherever possible. AND NO ONE ANSWERS ANYTHING. Zadolbala this parody of the fight against corruption !!!


        An interesting video that may explain the current corruption and tries to explain the Russian rebellion. The request, before putting the cons and turning on the negative, to rush and to see through to the end, a lot of interesting thoughts are submitted and I personally agree with them, except that I could not formulate them so accurately for myself. In a word, look, an interesting video will definitely not leave you indifferent.

        1. FATEMOGAN
          FATEMOGAN 4 September 2013 18: 18 New
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          take your time and watch until the end ... hi
    2. Airman
      Airman 4 September 2013 08: 52 New
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      Quote: aszzz888
      Of course, it was hard for the president to realize that the annual growth of the economy could fall below 3% and at the same time continue to rush down. It was even harder to explain to the Russians about the fact that we would not go far on such an economy. In the end, all this led to the fact that the authorities will most likely have to fall back on unpopular social measures.

      Yes, everybody counted, everybody counted and now they will throw people? These are the realities of the present.

      But what kind of branch will be chopped (oil and gas pipe) on which you sit? Why introduce a progressive PROFIT tax that you get yourself? It’s easier to strip the disenfranchised and wordless people who are called by the powers that be themselves bld.d.l.m.
      1. Orel
        Orel 4 September 2013 09: 44 New
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        Putin: Now the government is facing a difficult choice - somewhere it’s necessary to proceed from realities in advance, and somewhere to cut off our previously assumed expenses


        Normal and adequate reaction to the situation in the economy. Why does it hurt the author of the article is incomprehensible? We must live within our means. If revenues fall, you need to reduce costs. To do this, you do not need to be a luminary of economic science. Most likely they will not reduce social programs, but just the same expenses for the army. Already, many expenditures in the defense industry have been carried forward several years. You should not be afraid of this and scream in panic, you just need to survive the economic crisis, which did not end in the world.
        1. fartfraer
          fartfraer 4 September 2013 09: 59 New
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          From the history of the USSR it can be seen that in times of global crisis it is possible to develop. Only for this you need the desire of leadership, and not regular unfounded promises
        2. Garrin
          Garrin 4 September 2013 10: 03 New
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          Quote: Orel
          We must live within our means. If revenues fall, you need to reduce costs. To do this, you do not need to be a luminary of economic science.

          The fact is that you can reduce the cost of social programs and the army, but you can, but in my opinion, you need to - reduce the cost of yachts and palaces.
          1. Lapotnik
            Lapotnik 4 September 2013 16: 12 New
            +4
            Yes skolkovo and Rusnano to cut at least a quarter - and another 5 years we will calmly pay mat. Capital, and even index pensions.
          2. Current 72
            Current 72 4 September 2013 16: 48 New
            +4
            On yachts and palaces - THIS IS SIGNIFICANT!
        3. tupolev-95
          tupolev-95 4 September 2013 10: 35 New
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          Well yes! Only there is one point, who can live "within our means"? A people who always lived “within their means” in this country? Or, perhaps, all the same, the oligarchs who successfully seized the bowels of the Motherland will squeeze in the administrative apparatus, the monstrous army of officials, who will squeeze in costs? For some reason, they started talking about maternity capital and defense spending (which is simply criminal in the light of the current situation) and somehow modestly kept silent about subsidies to "some especially needy national enclaves" that one would get rid of.
          1. Current 72
            Current 72 4 September 2013 16: 51 New
            +3
            I put you +. I agree with you, as they say on 100!
        4. uhu189
          uhu189 4 September 2013 11: 39 New
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          Then why do we need economists, ministries, advisers, academics from higher schools of economics and other cf..n who sits in power, if all this Kodla is not able to make effective decisions if not to prevent a reduction in income, then at least to minimize them ? Why the hell are they even needed if they don’t know anything? Under Yeltsin, they shouted that there was no money for everything, then they said there is money, they cannot sell it, now again there is no money. If the gentlemen in power, having both the resources and the capabilities, are not able to develop the country's economy, they should be thrown out from there at least with shame, and at the very least, their actions should be checked for the existence of a crime. Already sick of all this, how much can you mock something at people? In Chechnya, there are mosques and skyscrapers to build money, it is clever and rosy - please, and maternal capital - sorry, expensive. Of course you need to live within your means, but if managers do not know how to plan and manage controlled resources, then you need to drive these "managers", or even put them to the wall
        5. ivshubarin
          ivshubarin 4 September 2013 12: 11 New
          +7
          As in enterprises, in the event of a crisis, salaries are not reduced to management, but to hard workers.
        6. Current 72
          Current 72 4 September 2013 16: 46 New
          +3
          So take it and say to these oligarchs and bureaucrats-shifters: live within your means, how the workers and peasants live. CAN LISTEN!
    3. vezunchik
      vezunchik 4 September 2013 13: 31 New
      +4
      the scribe crept unnoticed ... It is necessary to work, but it is easier to steal .. It seems that we will observe a change in power ...
      1. Just Vasilich
        Just Vasilich 4 September 2013 18: 10 New
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        Lucky: It looks like we will observe a change of power ...

        The GDP also has a suitable saying:

        “Vladimir Putin defined himself as a“ pragmatist with a conservative bias ”, admitting that he“ will even have difficulty deciphering it. ”Mr Putin noted that, as a rule,“ in almost all countries ”conservatives accumulate resources for economic growth, and“ then revolutionaries come, they quickly share it all ... "In his opinion, everyone should understand that revolutionary changes can change the situation for the worse." And I believe that this understanding should first of all be just among the intelligentsia. And it is the intelligentsia that must, understanding this warning amb of sudden movements and revolutions of various kinds and persuasion. "
        Read more: http://kommersant.ru/doc/2271244

        What is there to decipher? Everything is very clear: the state of affairs in the country after predatory privatization in the 90's will be conservatively maintained for pragmatic reasons, the criminal "elite" will continue to fatten, and people are invited to tighten their belts and endure this situation for decades without sudden movements of various kinds and sense. In other words, relax and enjoy the existing power.
        1. Garrin
          Garrin 4 September 2013 19: 31 New
          +3
          Quote: Just Vasilich
          What is there to decipher?

          Thank you for the extremely clear, clear, and most importantly, CORRECT interpretation.
          good
    4. vjhbc
      vjhbc 4 September 2013 21: 45 New
      -1
      I don’t understand the position of those people who say that everything around is bad and dominated by corrupt people and traitors, one Putin is white and fluffy, he doesn’t know what the people and country live because the bad people around him don’t say anything to him. I don’t even know how to call it probably because the priests for 1000 years of Christianity drove into the head of the people that the supreme power (the tsar’s president) is something sacred from God and such people is a huge amount and on this site in general probably more than 75%
      Quote: aszzz888
      Yes, everybody counted, everybody counted and now they will throw people? These are the realities of the present.
  2. DDA
    DDA 4 September 2013 08: 11 New
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    As I wrote earlier, petrodollars need to be invested in the development of finished goods production, and invested in stabilization funds that are bucks, and as a result, we are working for the US economy because the depreciation of the dollar is death for us.
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 4 September 2013 09: 52 New
      +3
      Quote: DDA
      As I wrote earlier, petrodollars must be invested in the development of finished goods production

      Well, President Comrade Captain O. doesn’t hear you.
      1. DDA
        DDA 4 September 2013 10: 32 New
        +7
        Even if he extends it, he will say, "Naturally, I value the opinion of the opposition, the legal opposition, but I believe that the government and the cabinet are doing everything right."
  3. baskoy
    baskoy 4 September 2013 08: 12 New
    +3
    It’s sad if you have to be disappointed once again!
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 4 September 2013 08: 48 New
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      more than once, this is the worst thing.
  4. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 4 September 2013 08: 16 New
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    If oil profits were invested in domestic industry, and not in mythical foundations, then we would never have known about the crisis, except perhaps from the newspapers. And stop squandering the public wealth for worthless candy wrappers!
  5. Trofimov174
    Trofimov174 4 September 2013 08: 24 New
    +3
    There is nothing surprising in the decline in the growth rate of the Russian economy, the country has moved from passive accumulation of reserves and paying debts to the active use of budget funds at a time when our main trading partners, the EU and China, again had the risk, if not reduction, then rather significant cooling of them. economics. No one said that our path from a resource economy to an industrial one will be easy.
    1. Grbear
      Grbear 4 September 2013 10: 05 New
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      Plusalul, and I want to ask the “puffers”: how many requests they made through their deputies about the results of the construction of roads or objects in their city, do they know the results of decisions of their own thoughts and what do they solve there?

      A person gets used to good things quickly and does not want to part. But! We do not live in a vacuum, external disasters will inevitably affect us and no one will help us. Therefore, start "cleaning" in your home.

      And Putin, in my opinion, is doing everything possible and not bad.
      1. fartfraer
        fartfraer 4 September 2013 10: 23 New
        +6
        have done a few. we have a whole site in the city where they share similar experiences and post screenshots of the letters of officials and prosecutors.
        "According to this, start" cleaning "in your house," I agree
        “And Putin, in my opinion, is doing everything possible and not bad.” - What kind of cleaning in your house are you talking about if you approve of transferring Serdyukov not to a pre-trial detention center cell, but to another bureaucratic chair? It's not cleaning, it's a permutation. what kind of cleaning do you say if Chubais speaks impudently about losses (there are large sums, I’ll notice) he was dismissed, and they say to him “well, who is not mistaken” and give more money? ?
        1. Grbear
          Grbear 4 September 2013 12: 19 New
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          Dear fartfraer, it’s good that you agree with something, and even better - do.
          Respect to you and comrades!

          Otherwise:
          For me, Serdyukov, as a person, has already died, and there is no point in demanding his “quartering”. The machine is spinning, "the process has begun." In addition, the expectation of execution is worse than the execution itself.

          Chubais is a bit more complicated. In the field of innovation process management, we have NO specialists and experience. The practice of forceful implementation of innovations, as the "puffers" suggest, does not "roll". You have to pay for science.

          About Putin Once again I say - he is not a car. One head and hours - 24. The fact that the Government needs to change something - it becomes obvious. I am sure their hands will reach them.
          1. Hon
            Hon 4 September 2013 12: 37 New
            +5
            Quote: GrBear
            In addition, the expectation of execution is worse than the execution itself.

            What are you talking about?))) What is the expectation? He is an honorary witness, what are they afraid of? Even a Mercedes with a flashing light was left, and the place "warm" is already provided. It turned out badly with the son-in-law, I had to return the cottage, well, he still has nothing.
          2. stranik72
            stranik72 4 September 2013 21: 37 New
            +2
            "With Chubais, it’s a little more complicated. In the field of innovation process management, we have NO specialists and experience. The practice of forceful implementation of innovations, as the" puffers "suggest, does not" roll. "You will have to pay for science." Do you think Chubais is a creator-manager? If so, then it makes me laugh for you. Chubais the destroyer and Russophobe, an active participant in the robbery of the state who did not forget himself. As for the practice of forceful implementation of innovations, in the world except you no one has ever voiced such a term, and all nations and countries have always paid for science, only one for its development, and such as Chubais for destruction.
  6. Isk1984
    Isk1984 4 September 2013 08: 28 New
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    In general, we have a patient people, what is awaiting for us, well, think about it, an example is in our region (Orenburg region), average salary in the city, 10-15 thousand, in the village 4-10), from those who receive 30-40 in the oil industry , not so much of the total number (and even then they began to cut their salaries, reductions), yes they raised the military, though they were so starved by normal salaries that they got loans by ears, gasoline by 30, Housing and communal services on average in the payment amount about 4000 rubles., now since September 1 I gave 800 for my son in kindergarten, now I will be 3000, and so my but indefinitely. now with education you’ll have loot in chocolate, don’t kick yourself ... In principle, nobody has confidence in the authorities, everyone grinds with their teeth and wait for the real owner to appear, who will suspend the entire government in one place ...
    It hurts just for my generation in my peers in my eyes there is no spark so to speak, the prospects are foggy ...
    They also showed on September 2 on TV how the Minister of Education gave lessons on economics at school and told how a schoolchild can plan expenses for pocket money in the amount of 2000, they don’t understand at all how people live?
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 4 September 2013 08: 50 New
      +5
      you have cheaper gardens, a brother pays for his 4500 a month.
      1. Normal
        Normal 4 September 2013 15: 31 New
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        Quote: fartfraer
        you have cheaper gardens, a brother pays for his 4500 a month.

        And we have state. the kindergarten was closed ... And in the same building a commercial was opened ... 18000 is all a pleasure. And it belonged to the state. a kindergarten of a modest and inconspicuous organization; Management of the Office of the President. Now it is the Presidential Administration. And it happened at the very beginning of the reign of GDP.
        Now others reach what I'm tired of writing about; Putin has no special merits in economic growth or maintaining the unity of Russia, and never has been. There was a favorable global environment and rapid growth in energy prices. There was an attitude that it was convenient and profitable for oligarchic capital to work on a single territory. But Putin only ensured the interests of the oligarchy, and he did not forget himself. But the global economic situation has changed and the GDP reminds us of Chernomyrdin. We supposedly wanted to, tried and yes again, they got together - there is no economic growth. But only the lazy did not warn about this, and only then in the mid-zero and early twenties did the St. Petersburg people know better than anyone and did not need advice. As they were gray, they remained so gray. How was the GDP head. the club and scribbled reports on the German press, and remained at the same level of thinking and perception of the world, only show-offs and concealed conceit concealed for the time being.
        The country needs a Master and Leader, and GDP is not even a commander.
        As one old movie says: "You are a good guy, but .... not an eagle."
  7. andrei332809
    andrei332809 4 September 2013 08: 32 New
    +6
    I understand the cost of representation, should look HOLD. but .... reduce the daily expenses of the state apparatus and bureaucrats ... that would be AMOUNT !!! one could buy the whole planet in ownership
  8. 311ove
    311ove 4 September 2013 08: 32 New
    +3
    It’s not even surprising. What changed?? request Upstairs, it’s just an impression - they play a children's game where they dance, and then they change seats and there’s always not enough room for one .... (forgot what’s called)
  9. Grif
    Grif 4 September 2013 08: 35 New
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    I never understood what money is for. I understand the exchange of goods, but no money. If oil is given not for goods, but for some obscure green pieces of paper, you should immediately buy plants and factories on them, and not play in bookkeeping and finance. There will be plants, there will be life. There will be funds and other rubbish, there will be some problems. Well, in fact, is it okay, have the money just depreciated? How can the real product that I hold in my hand depreciate? Money is smoke, you can’t hold it in a bag, and a plant in the air does not melt.
    1. hollger
      hollger 4 September 2013 08: 59 New
      +3
      Buying factories, technologies, that's right. There is one BUT - do not sell !!!! And they don’t give investing in their business! To create something ourselves, the same song who is responsible for innovations in our country is Chubais.
      1. fartfraer
        fartfraer 4 September 2013 09: 05 New
        +8
        and who is responsible for the fact that Chubais is still in power? President.
  10. Oskar
    Oskar 4 September 2013 08: 41 New
    20
    Pease ... a ball will always find a lot of objective reasons why he was forced to break his word. After all, he knew very well that he would never accomplish anything, but he still lied - he had to sit still.
    He calls himself a "slave in the galleys" and he is surprisingly right. Exactly! The quality and lifestyle of the ancient slaveholding states fell into decay due to dependence on slave labor. So now we are "dependent" on his miserable slave attempts and "labors" :))). Creates the appearance of work so that the lashes are not "raked"? And our "slave" is working with all the problems arising from his attitude to work, and we are unhinging it together. He doesn’t want to take “free" and is afraid of lashes ...
    1. Recon
      Recon 4 September 2013 08: 57 New
      +4
      I agree with your post, BUT: any politician is a balabol, by definition, no one has ever fulfilled what he promised in full.
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 4 September 2013 09: 55 New
        +5
        Quote: Recon
        any politician is a balabol by definition

        Undoubtedly, the difference is whether the people have a clothespin in their language. Power not controlled by the people turns into a bunch of balabol.
    2. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 4 September 2013 10: 16 New
      +6
      Quote: Oskar
      After all, he knew very well that he would never accomplish anything, but he still lied - he had to sit still

      Pralna - now grandmas are needed, but where to get them?

      So the attempts to dispossess the poor with the middle peasants begin, and at the same time the comedy with the “nationalization” of the Central Bank spins up - there will be grandmothers at Vova’s press, and the fact that inflation will be like in Zimbabwe was what they wanted the best ... laughing
      1. fartfraer
        fartfraer 4 September 2013 10: 32 New
        +3
        Well, yes. Prices in millions will return, and they will tell us that again all millionaires.
        I’ll tell you from a personal one, when I returned from work I began working at a construction site and received 5000. It was normal (2002), now I get about 30000, but it’s not comme il faut, but there are people who live on less money. to find for 2002-100 thousand, to rent for 120, now to buy about 2000 and remove 10000. It seems like the growth of w-ths is ahead of inflation, but in fact everything has risen in price and actually living on 30000 has become more difficult than 5000 at that time. ( at what my requests are modest, I dare to assure.) I don’t know how to explain this riddle.
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 4 September 2013 12: 59 New
          +1
          Quote: fartfraer
          I don’t know how to explain this riddle.
          Almost everyone uses electricity and utilities, from the household to the enterprise.
          From 2000 to 12, electricity rose by 100%, housing and communal services by 1500% - what inflation should be, if what everyone uses is getting more expensive - 6%? laughing

          Over 12 years, inflation amounted to 500% - 40% per year, and drags its tariff growth.
          1. fartfraer
            fartfraer 4 September 2013 21: 48 New
            +2
            Yarosvet, it was just a "rhetorical thought")) everything is clear.
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 4 September 2013 22: 17 New
              +1
              Quote: fartfraer
              Yarosvet, it was just a "rhetorical thought")) everything is clear.
              wink
    3. tttttt
      tttttt 4 September 2013 10: 30 New
      +7
      He calls himself a "slave in the galleys" and he is surprisingly right. Exactly! The quality and lifestyle of the ancient slaveholding states fell into decay due to dependence on slave labor.

      Well, nothing can be done, slave psychology in humans.
      Slave of the West at the Russian gallery.
  11. domokl
    domokl 4 September 2013 09: 06 New
    0
    Something I had crept in the thought of joining LDPR. The thought is sensible in the article. You can’t save on social media. Then why? At the expense of defense? At the expense of science, at the expense of education? Or, again, throw payments to local budgets?
    In a millionth city, the construction of the underpass is announced as the Olympics in Sochi. Is this normal? The adopted law on education almost eats up the city’s budget, is that normal? Due to lack of money, the construction of the first metro line has been going on for the third decade, is that normal?
    The government clearly stated that all social payments will be made and are being carried out. But where can I get money for new ones?
    Who could have guessed last year’s drought? Or this year’s flood? People are also saved for no reason. It costs a lot of money.
    So, in my opinion, populism in relations with the people will not bring to good. There is money, we are building kindergartens, schools, sports centers. No ... We are trying to fulfill the obligations we have already taken. And we honestly say, they got it right here. And here we have still have reserves. Article minus no questions asked
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 4 September 2013 09: 35 New
      11
      Quote: domokl
      Something I had crept in the thought of joining LDPR. The thought is sensible in the article. You can’t save on social media. Then why? At the expense of defense? At the expense of science, at the expense of education? Or, again, throw payments to local budgets?

      No need to save.
      You just need to nationalize a number of strategic industries to start with. Just pick and take.
      Will you be dissatisfied? To introduce an article for sabotage and lift the moratorium on executions, plus confiscation for crimes against the state. For the state is all of us.
    2. dmb
      dmb 4 September 2013 13: 04 New
      +2
      It seems that you wrote everything fairly. Only what new social benefits are you talking about. It's more about the old ones. But for now, he can refrain from reclamation of Chechnya, for which Kadyrov is asking (and will receive) a little more than is planned to eliminate the consequences of the flood in the Far East. It would be nice, if only as a temporary measure, to limit the export of capital over a hill. And you can still legislatively limit the appetites of banks that manage to take a commission even from public donations to eliminate emergency situations. And even easier, given the “independence” of our courts and their ability to listen to the thoughts of the authorities as soon as possible, without waiting for Serdyukov’s improbable landing, to return the property to state ownership in court and sell it at a real price. Believe me, when voicing such an opinion by the leader, our courts and bailiffs will cope with this task in 2-3 of the month. There are many ways, but they will offend those whose guarantor is the current Guarantor, and therefore they will not be applied.
  12. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 4 September 2013 09: 08 New
    +4
    The costs of social programs are cut shamelessly: [i] “Immediately before entering the government, the new pension formula became even tougher. Low-paid workers will be deprived of the right to retire at the age set for the rest, forcing them to work an additional five years.” [/ I] see http: //news.mail.ru/politics/14605410/
  13. white_f
    white_f 4 September 2013 09: 10 New
    11
    It is necessary to steal less, then there will be enough for maternal capital, and for retirement, and for kindergartens, and for schools.
  14. Pharao7766
    Pharao7766 4 September 2013 09: 13 New
    +9
    At one time, there was one very good recipe for such problems.

    NATIONALIZATION AND INDUSTRIALIZATION

    While the whole country will feed a handful of snickering subhuman people and withdraw money for the cordon,
    WE ALL will live in poverty and serve the pipe!
    1. Max otto
      Max otto 4 September 2013 10: 21 New
      +4
      By the way, at the expense of nationalization. Kerimov is put on the international wanted list. Russia, if there is a desire, can calmly arrest this individual (well, issuing not giving Belarusians is not important), with confiscation, nationalizing Uralkali quite legally. What is not a precedent?
  15. shoroh
    shoroh 4 September 2013 09: 44 New
    +5
    I got married on August XNUMXth, and really counted on maternity capital. I voted for Putin, and now I am absolutely disappointed in him. We hold meaningless Olympiads and world championships, they produce officials on Mercedes cars, and they beat people up.
  16. denson06
    denson06 4 September 2013 09: 50 New
    -11
    Quote: Isk1984
    In general, we have a patient people, what is awaiting for us, well, think about it, an example is in our region (Orenburg region), average salary in the city, 10-15 thousand, in the village 4-10), from those who receive 30-40 in the oil industry , not so much of the total number (and even then they began to cut their salaries, reductions), yes they raised the military, though they were so starved by normal salaries that they got loans by ears, gasoline by 30, Housing and communal services on average in the payment amount about 4000 rubles., now since September 1 I gave 800 for my son in kindergarten, now I will be 3000, and so my but indefinitely. now with education you’ll have loot in chocolate, don’t kick yourself ... In principle, nobody has confidence in the authorities, everyone grinds with their teeth and wait for the real owner to appear, who will suspend the entire government in one place ...
    It hurts just for my generation in my peers in my eyes there is no spark so to speak, the prospects are foggy ...
    They also showed on September 2 on TV how the Minister of Education gave lessons on economics at school and told how a schoolchild can plan expenses for pocket money in the amount of 2000, they don’t understand at all how people live?

    You, with social issues, dear, have visited the wrong site .. With all due respect to the problem, its discussion here and now is inappropriate! Let’s not now make airplanes, ships and air defense systems and then there will be an opportunity to raise salaries in the Orenburg region (and in the whole country) .. no question ... But when after Syria Amer’s cruise missiles will fly to Russia and the Orenburg region (not even doubt) - what will we do? Bow?
    Bear with the abundance of funds in your wallet .. I understand everything, but .. The main thing was there was no war ..
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 4 September 2013 10: 16 New
      13
      "Patience with an abundance of funds in your wallet .. I understand everything, but .. The main thing is there wouldn’t be a war .." - I put a minus with a clear conscience. I explain why.
      1- "Patience with an abundance of funds in your wallet .." - why should only the governed endure, and the manager shouldn’t? Why should the worker endure and the employer should not? Or does patriotism exist only as a concept for “not oligarchs” and “not officials "? the country is hard, it’s clear. ready to work for the good of the state and put up with, but officials and oligarchs should do the same. otherwise it turns out that this is not their country (if they do not care), then what .. they are in power? let them fall to their stolen money from the Russian Federation.
      2- "The main thing was there was no war .." - war, and I don’t want to, even more so, I’m afraid of this in the territory of the Russian Federation, but do you need to know the measure? They distributed the territory of the state, in some way they ruined the social network, in some way the army , in some ways, the Ministry of Internal Affairs is not responsible, it is only frightened by enemies. At the same time, it stimulates the delivery of "unreliable" Gaster by thousands. Uneducated (there are exceptions) people who expelled Russians in their republics with blood and violence. Now these armies are already inside Russia and they tell us “if there wasn’t war”. already war, dear. right now, it’s going around you. police officers have already started kneading (I read about the possibility of such a development 7 years ago), they are already blocking the streets to pray revealingly, declaring their rights to our way of life and our rights in our state, and at the same time they get a green street to enter from the current government, transfer money home, undermining the Russian economy. come back, the war has already come to you one way or another. and choosing between lawlessness and slavery and war, I will choose the second, although I am afraid in yna, I do not want her.
    2. Normal
      Normal 4 September 2013 15: 49 New
      +6
      Quote: denson06
      The main thing would not be war ..

      Once, one very not stupid politician said:
      "You had a choice between dishonor and war. You chose dishonor, now you get war"
  17. Yankuz
    Yankuz 4 September 2013 09: 57 New
    +1
    "Here you are not here!" (V.S. Chernomyrdin)
    Go on whoever wants!
    1. Ribwort
      Ribwort 4 September 2013 11: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: Yankuz
      "Here you are not here!" (V.S. Chernomyrdin)

      "So that's where the dog rummaged!" (M.S. Gorbachev)
  18. hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh 4 September 2013 10: 06 New
    0
    There is such a science. Statistics. She can always accurately predict many questions. For example, it is already clearly clear that now 18-20 years old children of the recession are 90 years old, and every year there will be no one else to give birth. Kindergartens will soon be no longer needed.
    1. Oskar
      Oskar 4 September 2013 10: 36 New
      +3
      True statistics, in the current circumstances, the authorities do not need!
  19. Ustas
    Ustas 4 September 2013 10: 07 New
    +1
    Of course, it was hard for the president to realize that the annual growth of the economy could fall below 3% and at the same time continue to rush down

    Cabinet bold minus for miscalculation (and maybe sabotage). It is time for everyone to resign along with his head.
  20. Garrin
    Garrin 4 September 2013 10: 12 New
    +4
    For some reason, it is stubbornly not talking about new excess profits from the sale of expensive oil, which can fill holes not only in the sphere of social promises voiced by the president in May last year, but also actively invest in domestic production, which can act as a locomotive of the economy at any time. It does not talk about the need to block the channels of capital outflow abroad, the volume of which (outflow) is hundreds of times greater than the volume of all social programs in Russia combined. Apparently, all this requires much more tedious work than simply cutting back on the social sector.

    I don’t think that such exhausting work is needed to accomplish the above. It just needs political will, but the current government does not have it and probably will not. Not that they serve, therefore it is easier to cut off the social sphere than to moderate the appetites of oligarchs and officials.
  21. creak
    creak 4 September 2013 10: 13 New
    +8
    Levitin, formerly Minister of Transport and then Advisor to the President, was appointed Assistant to the President. And so the same deck is shuffled ... As the grandfather Krylov also said: "But no matter how you sit down, everyone is not good at musicians." In this regard, it does not seem that they are going to at least limit themselves to their loved ones, at least nothing is heard about such noble intentions ...
  22. PPO-1980
    PPO-1980 4 September 2013 10: 15 New
    +1
    Yeah! Jolly however.
    I agree about corruption. It is necessary to squeeze really. Yes, and confiscation to return.
    The state apparatus would not be reduced and the opportunity for spending by this apparatus would not hurt. Otherwise, they buy cars of 5 million each, and Italian furniture decorated with gold leaf. For the salary of a teacher from the backwoods of all bureaucrats and ministers. Then maybe that’s good in Golovumpr
    Infusions in the North Caucasus it would not be superfluous to cut back. Oh, and would save.
  23. Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 4 September 2013 10: 22 New
    +3
    But the lambiada will be, and not only fellow
  24. sashka
    sashka 4 September 2013 10: 22 New
    +4
    In the 80s, I already knew this saying. And here Chernomyrdin is incomprehensible .. Well, the Great and Omnipresent is simply nothing to say. That carries whatever.
  25. individual
    individual 4 September 2013 10: 31 New
    +6
    Under the Constitution, Russia is a social state.
    Reforms in healthcare, education, housing and communal services show that the social sphere has been thrown into the “dump” of the paper Constitution.
    There is a real Kudrinsky model of the "development" of the Russian economy. am
    The president is shuffling a greasy deck of pervasive Levitin-Nabiulin.
    All this is sad and unworthy of Russia.
  26. IRBIS
    IRBIS 4 September 2013 10: 32 New
    +7
    The moment for reorienting the economy from raw materials to production has been missed. The budget is losing weight, the social network is sagging, and the banks are getting fat, money for the common property is being transferred to offshore. And again the eternal question: What to do? The solution is afloat. You just need to restore order to the country, establish the rule of law and equality before them. However, it is much easier to complain about the "unforeseen" and natural disasters, thereby justifying the further cutting of social budget items.
    400 thousand for the second child - is that a lot? This is hardly enough to cover the expenses of the family associated with the appearance of the baby. And at current housing prices for this money, you can only improve the bathroom slightly, and not the housing situation.
  27. ed65b
    ed65b 4 September 2013 10: 33 New
    +5
    -That's gas for you
    said Viktor Stepanovich and farted into the pipe
    1. IRBIS
      IRBIS 4 September 2013 10: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: ed65b
      Here is the gas for you
      said Viktor Stepanovich and farted into the pipe

      Since then, a series of various contests have been held at Gazprom: The Loudest Fart Into The Pipe, The Most Fragrant Fart Into The Pipe, and The Voluminous Fart Into The Pipe. Winners are on the Forbes magazine list.
  28. Ivan_Ivanov
    Ivan_Ivanov 4 September 2013 11: 03 New
    -6
    An article is a complete lie and manipulation, manipulation and a lie.

    On phrases taken out of context, the author builds his assumptions in which he blames Putin exclusively, not paying attention either to the real state of affairs in the world economy, or to the real state of affairs with demography in the country, or to real (and not fictitious) powers and opportunities the president.

    Vladimir Vladimirovich repeats the thesis of Victor Stepanovich
    .
    Isn't that the epic Chernomyrdin’s "We wanted the best ..."? The president’s answer is in this vein, despite all his apparent veil.

    Sorry, author, Putin did not repeat the Chernomyrdinsky thesis, so the title of the article is already a lie and manipulation. You just want to think so that he repeated it and you impose your ideas on the reader.

    During the conversation between the president and the youth, one of the students ... suggested that Vladimir Putin think over payments to Russian families who do not take their children to kindergartens ... Putin’s answer ... clearly said ... that not only new expenses the Russian authorities are not going to foresee, but revisions with the old expenses are quite possible and acceptable by the head of state.
    (the following are quotes taken out of context)

    From these quotes it is completely unclear how the author is trying to convince us that a re-selection of CURRENT SOCIAL PAYMENTS is bound to happen. I allow myself to object.
    Firstly, on what basis should mothers who sit with children after the end of the decree (just for comparison: in America there is no maternity leave at all; NO) receive payments from the state?
    Second, the
    Putin: Now the government is facing a difficult choice - somewhere it’s necessary to proceed from realities in advance, and somewhere to cut off our previously assumed expenses

    From this quotation it does not at all follow that (AS the author is trying to present) the reduction of payments relate to benefits for the second child. Maybe that's why the quote is taken out of context that the author is trying to prove to us just that? Manipulation...
    Further...
    it turns out that the recent words of Finance Minister Anton Siluanov about the possibility of saving for the budget, having refused to pay maternity capital after 2016, are generally supported by the president.

    It does not follow from Putin’s words that the cessation of payments of maternity capital is being held back by Putin, as the author is trying to convince us. Putin didn’t give a hint about maternal capital. The author just wants to think so and therefore he decrypts Putin’s words and imposes his idea on us. Manipulation ... I want to open a terrible secret for the author. Budget expenditures are hundreds and thousands of articles. But the author stubbornly wants to convince us that it will stop paying exactly the maternal capital.

    (see continuation)
    1. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 4 September 2013 11: 06 New
      -4
      If President Putin hoped that “she (the economy) will be like that,” then it turns out that a wide circle of his advisers and assistants need to put bold misfortune and disperse 101 kilometers from the capital, since they introduced the head of state with their help and advice misconception ...

      Probably the author hints that he understands much better in the economy, than assistants and advisers to the president, or knows the one who understands better. I wish he were in their place ...
      I will tell the author one more secret. The global economy is very tightly controlled manually. Its growth depends on the number of printed dollars and the direction of their distribution. Dollars are printed and distributed by very specific people, several people. Predicting what is on their minds is quite difficult. Common sense suggests that the dollar will continue to print and the world economy will grow to avoid crisis and social tensions in the countries of the golden billion. But they went to reduce the dollar supply and increase the discontent of their own citizens. This can be predicted, but such a development of the situation seemed unlikely, therefore it was not considered as the main one.

      One of those advisers to Vladimir Putin who spoke about highly probable problems in the Russian economy ... was and remains an economist Sergei Glazyev.

      About how ... It turns out that the author KNOWS what Glazyev said to the president, the author read Glazyev’s reports to the president ... The author does not admit the idea that in public speeches by an economist (whom I personally respect and try not to miss any of his speeches) there may not be all the information he provides to the president. And then a genius conclusion is made:
      It turns out that either Putin did not believe Glazyev as his adviser, or simply drove away his predictions from himself, hoping for a classic Russian chance ...

      It turns out that Putin is hoping for Avos in his work ... Tell me, dear reader, Putin is already in his third term in power. Can you say that he once once hoped for AVOS (what the author is trying to push us to think about), or was he extremely rational and thought out? Just as I said, the presidential adviser cannot speak in public everything he says to the president. In addition, he is only responsible for his sector of work - the economy. He may not know much: personal agreements, intelligence data, ...

      (see continuation)
      1. Ivan_Ivanov
        Ivan_Ivanov 4 September 2013 11: 09 New
        -5
        ... it was hard for the president to realize that annual economic growth could fall below 3% ...

        Wow! The author got into the head of the president ...
        For some reason, they stubbornly do not talk about new excess profits from the sale of expensive oil ... It does not say about the need to block the channels of capital outflows abroad ...

        The author wants the president to tell this in response to a student’s question about payments to mothers after the decree, on what did the author build his entire article?
        After all, mothers with children will not deliver an ultimatum to the state authorities, but oligarchic circles, if their infinite rights and freedoms are infringed, may well shuffle any vertical with an ultimatum ...

        What a cunning manipulation ... The author simultaneously uses mothers to arouse a feeling of indignation, hostility towards the president and immediately accuses the president of cowardice before the oligarchs, whom he spread throughout his terms, slandered, imprisoned and banished. Or was there none of this? Manipulation...
        If the state is going to radically save, it turns out that the savings will once again be aimed at blindly storing dollars and euros in a reserve fund ...

        The author did not hear that the president recently decided to print the stub. fund (or some other kind of fund) and spend hundreds of billions on the construction of infrastructure projects: roads, bridges, and more. The author, without a shadow of embarrassment, directly states the opposite of the words of the president, which is a direct lie. Manipulation...

        All kinds of reserve funds are not a little egg, not a nest egg for a rainy day. This is a tribute to the winners (America), which we pay after the defeat in the Cold War as a result of the betrayal of Gorbachev and the country's top leadership. A statement about printing the stabilization fund and channeling money into its own economy is tantamount to a label, refusing to pay tribute and tantamount to declaring war with all the ensuing consequences.

        But for the author, everything is simple and clear. Putin is bad. Trying, WANTS to abolish maternity capital. And he is trying to convince us of this with his manipulation article.
        1. Volodin
          4 September 2013 13: 20 New
          +1
          Ivan, you just calm down, for "The president is always right. If the president is wrong, see point one" ...
          1. Ivan_Ivanov
            Ivan_Ivanov 4 September 2013 13: 24 New
            +1
            The cat left the kittens
            This is Putin's fault.
            The hare was thrown by the mistress.
            Guilty Guess!
            Here ends the board
            The poor bull.
            Our Tanya is crying loudly.
            Near Putin, not otherwise.
            The light went out, the fence fell,
            The car stalled motor
            Healthy tooth removed
            Ile climbed into the apartment thief
            Did not like the movie,
            You have come to r ... but.
            Any cataclysm
            One explanation:
            Every democrat knows
            This is Putin's fault!

            The essence of the article.
            Putin:
            - Somewhere you have to ... cut previously estimated costs.
            Author:
            - Ahhh ... Putin wants and is going to cancel payments to mothers !!!
            1. Oskar
              Oskar 4 September 2013 13: 37 New
              +4
              I could not resist :)))
              Thank you Vova for stability! For the fact that debility began !!! For the fact that we do not have income from increasing expenses! Thank you Vova for the country !!! Grass overgrown with virgin soil, because there is no future, but in the present only nonsense! Thank you Vova for all of us !!! For gas sold to Europe, for a shish in the pocket for the people, for the prosperity of freaks !!! Thank you, Vova ... medicine, it pinched me like a clamp, stripping off my last pants, we owe her hemorrhoids !!! Thank you Vova for the loans. I’m killed for the rest of my life !!! And he finishes the housing and communal services, he would have been killed without sin !!! Thank you Vova for school, for drugs and Coca-Cola! Education in the country, a long time ago already in shit !!! Thank you for Auto VAZ! He erected a monument for you! To bury so much dough, that's why it's worth living !!! Thank you Vova for the people, for a wonderful divorce ... For the life of officials in Paradise, Vova is tired of writing to you !!! Thank you for my mother ... For the disabled you ... us !!! For this pension in the country, until death we will be in g ... not! For Sochi, Gelendzhik thank you! More expensive only in the Caribbean, cheaper to vacation in the Bahamas, some money will remain in your pockets ... Thank you Vova for the Caucasus! Now he is praying for you! After all, Allah gives them money, Without Vova Putin, they crash !!! Thank you Vova for House - 2 ... And for the kind words about the evil Bondlogs, they’ll break your legs about you !!! Thank you for ringing coins, this ringing is, there is no salary !!! Your taxes eat it, you don’t care about anxiety !!! There is no stability in Russia ??? Why are you Vova - this is nonsense !!! Everything is stable with us shitty ... Thank you for that, Vova !!!
              1. Ivan_Ivanov
                Ivan_Ivanov 4 September 2013 13: 42 New
                -1
                Wow and short memory ...
                They completely forgot the 90s ...

                Everyone bases his choice on what is closer to him.
                Or on emotions, zombies and manipulations, or on a comparison of facts, data, numbers.
                1. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 4 September 2013 19: 39 New
                  0
                  Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
                  Wow and short memory ...
                  They completely forgot the 90s ...
                  And can you talk about the 90s in more detail - what specific negative of the 90s did Putin correct?
                  1. Ivan_Ivanov
                    Ivan_Ivanov 4 September 2013 19: 46 New
                    0
                    He did not let Russia fall apart.
                    He stopped the war in Chechnya.
                    Pressed the oligarchs; planted some, drove others out.
                    Canceled production sharing agreement.
                    Established taxes and duties on oil and gas exports to the budget.
                    Created the conditions for the construction of factories in Russia by Western companies.
                    Raised the salaries of the military.
                    .
                    Not one of course, not himself, with the command.

                    Few? The list can be continued, but why. You don’t recognize it either.
                    1. Yarosvet
                      Yarosvet 4 September 2013 20: 36 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
                      He did not let Russia fall apart.
                      Allegation.

                      He stopped the war in Chechnya.
                      But it began when he was the director of the FSB, that is, he was unable to manage with special operations and a little blood - at the same time, we can only talk about ending the war conditionally, since it just changed shape.

                      Pressed the oligarchs; planted some, drove others out.
                      Let’s do it all the more specifically - squeezed some, and created others, put ONE (your statement looks especially ridiculous against the background of Putin’s statements about the independence of the court), and let others go with God.

                      Canceled production sharing agreement.
                      This is generally a blatant lie - Sakhalin 1,2 and the Kharyaginskoye deposit both worked on the PSA - and they work.

                      Established taxes and duties on oil and gas exports to the budget.
                      It’s also a lie - money from the export of oil and gas came from the beginning of the existence of the Russian Federation, their insignificant amount at that time was due to low energy prices.

                      Created the conditions for the construction of factories in Russia by Western companies.
                      The main conditions were cheap labor and the lowest taxes in the world: as a result, the minimum wage in the Russian Federation and the average wage as a percentage of GDP per capita are lower than in China, and the taxes for the low-income are the highest in the world - who at the same time benefits from these factories unclear, but certainly not in the pocket of ordinary citizens.

                      Raised the salaries of the military.
                      Against the background of external and growing internal instability, that is, when the fried rooster began to bite.

                      Not one of course, not himself, with the command.
                      I agree, and the main team is good - Chubais Serdyukov, Medvedev, etc.

                      Few? The list can be continued, but why. You don’t recognize it either.
                      Of course I don’t admit, as I can verify information, read documents and think.


                      PS You forgot to mention the attempt to "nationalize" the Central Bank, which by the way was not there either.
                      1. Ivan_Ivanov
                        Ivan_Ivanov 4 September 2013 21: 03 New
                        -2
                        Deny obvious vechchi ... Your business.
                      2. Hon
                        Hon 4 September 2013 21: 33 New
                        0
                        I liked about the oligarchs, so he pressed them so pressed laughing They are now poor do not know where to go laughing
                      3. Ivan_Ivanov
                        Ivan_Ivanov 4 September 2013 22: 25 New
                        -1
                        you or a child yet, or you have something with memory ...
                      4. Hon
                        Hon 4 September 2013 22: 33 New
                        0
                        Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
                        you or a child yet, or you have something with memory ...

                        Are you good with fantasy? laughing
                  2. Yarosvet
                    Yarosvet 4 September 2013 22: 12 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
                    Deny obvious vechchi ... Your business.

                    Sorry, but what is obvious?

                    If the war in Chechnya can, in principle, be a debatable issue, then everything else that you wrote is a direct lie:

                    Russia did not fall apart - even the exit of 1-2 republics from the Russian Federation is not a collapse, especially since the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation in the Caucasus is only a formality at the moment.

                    To squeeze the oligarchs means to bring them all to a fair, independent court, to convict in accordance with the current legislation and to return property illegally obtained to the state - which of the following was done?

                    The abolition of the PSA and the allegedly non-receipt of proceeds from agreements are generally bullshit - 225-FZ is in effect, 3 agreements (others have not been concluded) are in force.

                    Salaries were raised after the well-known events that occurred both inside the country and outside it, and Medvedev signed the law on monetary allowances.

                    I listed some members of the team - it was these figures who rule the country, it was Putin who appointed them, made representations to them, or agreed on their appointment.

                    So for the time being, it is you who deny the obvious.
                  3. Russ69
                    Russ69 4 September 2013 23: 51 New
                    0
                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    Russia didn’t fall apart - even the exit of 1-2 republics from the Russian Federation is not a collapse,

                    Nude ... Nude ... First 1-2 republics, then the Japs. And they’ll just waste money on horseradish ... Then a couple more republics, and suddenly they will give more money there, also immediately down.
                    As a result, "Yes, hello Muscovy" ...
                  4. Yarosvet
                    Yarosvet 5 September 2013 00: 07 New
                    0
                    Quote: Russ69
                    Nude ... Nude ... First 1-2 Republics
                    Immediately after this collapse does not occur - right?

                    then the Japs islands.
                    What are you - not of course! Islands to the Chinese, and the shelf to the Norgs - and no Japs!
                  5. Russ69
                    Russ69 5 September 2013 00: 16 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    Immediately after this collapse does not occur - right?

                    But what is it ...?
                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    What are you - not of course! Islands to the Chinese, and the shelf to the Norgs - and no Japs!

                    We criticize the authorities ... but we offer the same thing, but in large sizes ...
                    Discretion ...
                  6. Yarosvet
                    Yarosvet 5 September 2013 15: 42 New
                    0
                    Quote: Russ69
                    But what is it ...?
                    Secession from the federation.

                    We criticize the authorities ... but we offer the same thing, but in large sizes ...
                    Did I suggest something? Where exactly?
                  7. Russ69
                    Russ69 5 September 2013 15: 53 New
                    0
                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    Quote: Russ69
                    But what is it ...?
                    Secession from the federation.

                    We criticize the authorities ... but we offer the same thing, but in large sizes ...
                    Did I suggest something? Where exactly?

                    And, what is the difference between the exit of republics from the USSR and the exit of republics from the federation.
                    At the same time, the USSR is considered to have collapsed after the exit of the republics ...

                    Uh ... And how to understand the proposal to secession of a pair of republics.
                    And while criticizing the GDP and DAM, for the island and the sea.
                  8. Yarosvet
                    Yarosvet 5 September 2013 16: 18 New
                    0
                    Quote: Russ69
                    At the same time, the USSR is considered to have collapsed after the exit of the republics ...
                    The USSR is a union - the union fell apart, since all the republics left the union. All and 1-2 subjects out of 89 - is there a difference? Or do you think at the end of 99 all the subjects of the Russian Federation were so sausage that each of the subjects wanted independence?

                    Uh ... And how to understand the proposal to secession of a pair of republics.
                    Sentence? belay
                    Where do you see the offer? I note that the withdrawal of 1-2 republics from the federation does not lead to the collapse of Russia, just as the collapse of the islands and the shelf does not lead to the collapse of Russia — a statement of fact and an offer to give different things.
                    You claim that the return of one thing entails a continuation, and this, as we see in the examples of what happened with the shelf and islands, is complete rubbish.
                    In this regard, the question arises - do you consciously replace concepts, or simply suffer from cognitive dissonance?
                  9. Russ69
                    Russ69 5 September 2013 16: 49 New
                    0
                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    Quote: Russ69
                    At the same time, the USSR is considered to have collapsed after the exit of the republics ...
                    The USSR is a union - the union fell apart, since all the republics left the union. All and 1-2 subjects out of 89 - is there a difference? Or do you think at the end of 99 all the subjects of the Russian Federation were so sausage that each of the subjects wanted independence?

                    Uh ... And how to understand the proposal to secession of a pair of republics.
                    Sentence? belay
                    Where do you see the offer? I note that the withdrawal of 1-2 republics from the federation does not lead to the collapse of Russia, just as the collapse of the islands and the shelf does not lead to the collapse of Russia — a statement of fact and an offer to give different things.
                    You claim that the return of one thing entails a continuation, and this, as we see in the examples of what happened with the shelf and islands, is complete rubbish.
                    In this regard, the question arises - do you knowingly substitute
                    concepts, or just suffer from cognitive dissonance?


                    A little more 90s and Brzezinski’s plan would be real ...

                    Firstly, separation of republics and decisions on disputed territories are completely different things ...
                    Secondly, I do not agree with these decisions ...

                    But you think the policy of losing territories is normal, since for you the loss of republics is a trifle ... Which does not affect anything. And then criticize the GDP.
                    For me, all the talk about separating something from Russia can only be conducted by naive people or who is worse. You didn’t attach these territories, you didn’t fight for them and it’s not for you to separate them now.
                    I’ll end on sim because the conversation begins to return to square one.
                  10. Yarosvet
                    Yarosvet 5 September 2013 17: 13 New
                    0
                    Quote: Russ69
                    A little more 90s and Brzezinski’s plan would be real ...
                    It must be understood that you personally held this plan with the seals of the State Department of the mattress? laughing

                    Once again - what of what happened in the 99th year could have led to the collapse of Russia?

                    Firstly, separation of republics and decisions on disputed territories are completely different things ...
                    Secondly, I do not agree with these decisions ...
                    Sorry - don't you write this:
                    “First, 1-2 republics, then islands to the Japs. And they’ll only spend money on horseradish ... Then a couple more republics, and suddenly they will give more money there, also immediately down.
                    As a result of "Yes, hello Muscovy" ... "

                    It follows from the context of what you wrote that you just have to give something, as the further spread of the federation becomes inevitable, but the controversial decision on the disputed territories is comparable to the controversial issue of the independence of the republic.

                    Quote: Russ69
                    But you think the policy of losing territories is normal, since for you the loss of republics is a trifle ...
                    I do not think, I state - I am talking about a fact. The fact that the exit of 1-2 republics does not entail the collapse of Russia is a fact.

                    You didn’t attach these territories, you didn’t fight for them and it’s not for you to separate them now.
                    You know, for the time being I didn’t separate anything, and even if I really wanted to, I couldn’t have done it legally - take a look at Article 8 of the RSFSR sovereignty, no one has canceled this normative act.
                  11. Russ69
                    Russ69 5 September 2013 20: 32 New
                    0
                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    It must be understood that you personally held this plan with the seals of the State Department of the mattress? laughing
                    Actually, his articles are full on the net ... Including the fragmentation of Russia.
                    Once again - what of what happened in the 99th year could have led to the collapse of Russia?
                    The weakness of the center ... And if this continued, then seporatism would only increase.

                    Sorry - don't you write this:
                    “First, 1-2 republics, then islands to the Japs. And they’ll only spend money on horseradish ... Then a couple more republics, and suddenly they will give more money there, also immediately down.
                    As a result of "Yes, hello Muscovy" ... "

                    Uh ... It was sarcasm, in your attitude to the separation of the republics ... smile
                    I don’t think, I state - I’m talking about a fact. The fact that the exit of 1-2 republics does not entail the collapse of Russia is a fact.

                    on the contrary, it’s not easy to calculate such things. Moreover, they can say both in the medium and long term. And why is this necessary? Just stupid ....

                    You know, for the time being I didn’t separate anything, and even if I really wanted to, I couldn’t have done it legally - take a look at Article 8 of the RSFSR sovereignty, no one has canceled this normative act.

                    So what's the talk ..?
                  12. Yarosvet
                    Yarosvet 6 September 2013 16: 48 New
                    0
                    The conversation that Vova is credited with non-existent merits.

                    Do you read Brzezinsk? Why not Zhirinovsky? This one also planned a lot.
                    then - and where did you get the idea that Zbyshek works for our intelligence?

                    What kind of weakness of the center are we talking about, what kind of common phrases?

                    Even if what I highlighted is sarcasm, it does not negate the presence in the context of a statement about complete decay as a result of the return of 2 subjects.

                    If decay is not easy to calculate, how did you deal with this alone?


                    Your statements do not contain any specifics and sometimes contradict themselves.
  • Ribwort
    Ribwort 4 September 2013 14: 17 New
    +3
    Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
    The cat left the kittens
    This is Putin's fault.

    How do we like to rush from one extreme to another. I can not say anything about your cat with kittens, but there are definitely things for which it is necessary to bear personal responsibility. Including the president. And with us, as usual: victories, which are sometimes difficult to notice, have many fathers. And defeats, failures are always orphans.
    1. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 4 September 2013 14: 32 New
      -2
      You are so knowledgeable in domestic and foreign policy, in the alignment of forces, in who is your own and who is not, what you can decide, what is betrayal is a crime, what is a tactical victim, and what is retreat under the pressure of the enemy?

      I can’t. I am not so knowledgeable.

      And the author of the article not only can, but also twists the facts to bring the reader to the conclusion he needs.

      We also retreated to Moscow, led by Stalin. Is Stalin a traitor? I do not think so. But if at that time the Internet and the opportunity to write everything they think, Stalin would pour no less dirt than it is pouring now on Pu ...

      Let's not be like the author of the article and compare real indicators and the situation in the country and the world, say, in the 95th, 00th, 05th and now, to see and evaluate the direction of the country's development.
      1. Volodin
        4 September 2013 14: 57 New
        +2
        And you, for more convincing, compare the figures with some 1611 year.
        1. Ivan_Ivanov
          Ivan_Ivanov 4 September 2013 15: 00 New
          -2
          You can compare even with 1913
  • Normal
    Normal 4 September 2013 16: 12 New
    +5
    Ivan_Ivanov

    Dear visitors! Please love and respect! The successor of the glorious work of EsaulAtlonAksaKaalaTrehvoltovoStovatny! Ivan Ivanov! By a person without security and orderlies! Hurry up to see! Disappearing (due to economic circumstances) view from the family of adorers of GDP.
    1. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 4 September 2013 16: 24 New
      -2
      Why don’t you love Putin so much? Do you think if someone else was president, would it be better? Who exactly? Surname?
      1. Ivan_Ivanov
        Ivan_Ivanov 4 September 2013 19: 52 New
        0
        Strange, you can’t give a surname, but minus me ... laughing
        1. Normal
          Normal 4 September 2013 22: 37 New
          +2
          Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
          Strange, you can’t give a surname, but minus me ...

          What surname should you name? Alternatives to Putin? And what exceptional qualities of GDP allowed him to become president? For what merits did the retired KGB colonel and deputy mayor be seen and exalted by Berezovsky and Voloshin?
          Could you name the names of hundreds of retired KGB and FSB officers from Colonel and above? What made the future “Savior of the Fatherland" so special?
          You are overconfident. I wrote more than a dozen comments, where I repeatedly argued and justified my rejection of Putin, but do you think that for your sake I will repeat for the hundredth time? If you are interested, go to the profile and read. Everything has already been said and your arguments are not new.
          Well, about the names ... Don’t be so naive, I can tell you not one or two.
          Putin's Companions:
          Shoigu, Lavrov, Stepashin, Ivanov. Maintaining course in the general direction and removing particularly snickering close ones.
          Governors:
          Anatoly Artamonov - Kaluga region, Evgeny Savchenko - Belgorod region. Strong business executives who have proven their professional competence and ability to manage the economy of the regions.
          Generals:
          Yuri Baluevsky, Vladimir Kolokoltsev. The completion of high-profile cases, the destruction of corruption, the planting of thieves.
          Athletes:
          Fedor Emelianenko, Nikolai Valuev. Why not? We now have a judoka president, and very mediocre. And then the Great Fighter and “The Last Emperor” with tremendous charisma, faith in the soul and tremendous authority among athletes not only in the country, but also in the world, Emelianenko. And Valuev is also not a boy, and his head is all right.

          Well, I think enough .... even without representatives of opponents of GDP policy and opposition.
      2. Stas
        Stas 4 September 2013 20: 35 New
        +1
        Elementary. Lukashenko has no such lawlessness in the country. There, even the Russian oligarchs already nest eggs - and they’re doing it right. I respect him. Such a president is needed in Russia, an economic manager who would take care of his people, and not about thieves, bureaucrats and oligarchs.
        1. Ivan_Ivanov
          Ivan_Ivanov 4 September 2013 21: 06 New
          +1
          Don't you think that putting things in order in a one-room apartment is much easier and simpler than in a 101-room apartment ...
          1. fartfraer
            fartfraer 4 September 2013 21: 34 New
            0
            don’t you think that the conversation is not about an apartment? But seriously, it’s better to entrust a 101 room apartment to a person who will leave a mess in only one room than a one-room apartment to someone who also leaves a mess in only one room. I hope you understand what I wanted to tell?
          2. Hon
            Hon 4 September 2013 21: 39 New
            +4
            Did Putin try to clean up the mess? You can’t plant Chubais well, but why keep him in power? I wonder what would Old Man do with Serdyukov? Probably a position in Belarusnano would have been given to him by a Mercedes with a flasher. Enough of a star in his bast shoes to shoe about the good king and bad boyars, and about the great galley slave with whom we were so "lucky"
            1. fartfraer
              fartfraer 4 September 2013 21: 46 New
              +1
              well, slaves in galleys were sometimes whipped with whips, and they were very limited in verbiage, because they demanded from them not singing heavenly songs, but harsh work. And in the interpretation of some galley slave (criminals and captive enemies often got there by the way) and storyteller Hans Christian Andersen "related specialties"
              1. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 4 September 2013 22: 30 New
                +3
                Quote: fartfraer
                Well, sometimes slaves on galleys were whipped
    2. Russ69
      Russ69 4 September 2013 22: 58 New
      +3
      Quote: Normal
      Dear visitors! Please love and respect! The successor of the glorious work of EsaulAtlonAksaKaalaTrehvoltovoStovatny! Ivan Ivanov! By a person without security and orderlies! Hurry up to see! Disappearing (due to economic circumstances) view from the family of adorers of GDP.

      Strange, a person under the Ukrainian flag protects GDP ... There is something to compare.
      In general, he is right to say that he did nothing, it will be neither right ...
      But there are things for which he is responsible ...
      In general, any president, in any country, will always enjoy the support of some, and the categorical rejection of others.
      1. fartfraer
        fartfraer 4 September 2013 23: 36 New
        0
        "But there are things for which he is responsible ..." - cheers! Finally a sane person) well, so what is the president responsible for? And which one is disciplinary, criminal, administrative?
        1. Russ69
          Russ69 4 September 2013 23: 57 New
          +2
          Quote: fartfraer
          Well, and what is the president responsible for? And which one is disciplinary, criminal, administrative?

          According to law...
          Just do not forget that you will have to reward ...
          Personally, Putin is happy with something, something not.
          I repeat, like any other president, and a person in general.
          1. fartfraer
            fartfraer 5 September 2013 00: 03 New
            0
            ok, the answer is understood. but it’s not complete. what is the president responsible for? I’m only interested in this at the moment. I don’t ask him for authority. I studied at the faculty of law and there they go. I’m only interested in what you think he is responsible for.
            in general there was a hope to see an answer from Ivan_Ivanov, but it died out)) if it’s not difficult for you, please answer. hi
            1. Russ69
              Russ69 5 September 2013 00: 30 New
              0
              Quote: fartfraer
              ok, the answer is understandable. but it’s not complete. what is the president responsible for? I’m only interested in this at the moment. I don’t ask him for authority. I studied at the faculty of law and they go there. I’m only interested in what you think he is responsible for. there was a hope to see the answer from Ivan_Ivanov, but it died out)) if it’s not difficult for you, answer

              I answer ...
              I don’t like some things that happen in the internal affairs of Russia. There are things that I perceive normally. There are things with which I have to agree, for besides desire there is also objective reality.
              For example, I myself have great respect for Stalin, although I also do not accept some of his actions, but this does not prevent me from being a Stalinist.
              I hope you understand me, since listing everything item by item will take a lot of time.
              But I don’t understand what you want .. Execute, judge Putin? Then it is necessary to plant all the presidents, because there will always be those who wish to plant under any political system. People are all different in worldview and you won’t be nice to everyone ...
              1. fartfraer
                fartfraer 5 September 2013 00: 34 New
                0
                ok, we’re talking about different things.
                but anyway thanks for taking the time hi
          2. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 5 September 2013 00: 10 New
            0
            Quote: Russ69
            According to law...
            On what? Under the unconstitutional 12-FZ?
            1. fartfraer
              fartfraer 5 September 2013 00: 24 New
              0
              this is where about the immunity of the president in retirement? well, what do you reveal all the trump cards)) lastly shore)
            2. Russ69
              Russ69 5 September 2013 00: 38 New
              +1
              Quote: Yarosvet
              On what? Under the unconstitutional 12-FZ?

              Extremely controversial issue. If you wish, you can draw a lot in violation of the constitution.
              Which, personally, doesn’t quite suit me.
              1. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 5 September 2013 15: 30 New
                0
                Quote: Russ69
                Extremely controversial issue. If you wish, you can draw a lot in violation of the constitution.
                To pull? Maybe re-read the 19th article?

                Which, personally, doesn’t quite suit me.
                This is normal, but it would be interesting to know what exactly you are not comfortable with.
  • optimist
    optimist 4 September 2013 12: 56 New
    +2
    Until the bulk of the Russian military base understands that the putler and K, the viceroys and the “watchmen” of the victorious Soviet Union Zh.I. Domasonov, the country will fall to a certain place. It only remains to be hoped that the upcoming war will straighten the brains of the PACE, as it happened 100 years ago ... Today, by the way, this fucking "guarantor" mumbled something about the "possibility of authorizing the operation in Syria." Hello Putinoid !!! tongue wassat
    1. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 4 September 2013 14: 52 New
      +1
      This is probably why Russia sends its ships to the shores of Syria ...

      The cruiser "Moscow" changes the plan of the campaign and goes to the Mediterranean
      http://russian.rt.com/article/14941
      1. Ivan_Ivanov
        Ivan_Ivanov 4 September 2013 19: 50 New
        +1
        But here who does not like that Russia helps Syria and sends its ships to its shores? Do you advocate democracy, which are kept by the State Department?
        1. fartfraer
          fartfraer 4 September 2013 21: 38 New
          0
          the flagship of the Black Sea goes to the shores of Syria, weakening the power of the Black Sea Fleet by half. either we have such a strong flagship, or such a weak fleet .. that's the question. (about weakening by half the hyperbole)
          1. Russ69
            Russ69 4 September 2013 23: 06 New
            +2
            Quote: fartfraer
            the flagship of the Black Sea goes to the shores of Syria, weakening the power of the Black Sea Fleet by half. either we have such a strong flagship, or such a weak fleet .. that's the question. (about weakening by half the hyperbole)

            Of course, let him stand forever at the Sevastopol wall ... Warships should be located where they are needed at the moment. Both for political and military purposes.
    2. Russ69
      Russ69 4 September 2013 23: 03 New
      0
      Quote: optimist
      Today, by the way, this fucking "guarantor" mumbled something about "the possibility of authorizing an operation in Syria."

      And to read to the end, about this opportunity is not in power.
      It’s a bad habit to snatch a phrase out of context and turn it around to your liking.
    3. Russ69
      Russ69 5 September 2013 00: 09 New
      0
      Quote: optimist
      So far, the bulk of the Russian base
      .
      Maybe you should not talk about your people in that tone.
      And then you complain that the liberals dislike you so ...
      Apparently, you are a new-fangled "creative" class ... And whoever is not with you would be .... I advise you to look in the mirror for a start.
  • Konsmo
    Konsmo 4 September 2013 12: 57 New
    +2
    It is necessary to prohibit the transfer of money to ovshory (at the banking level to identify black accounts). And also forbid ovshory to own property in Russia. Scheme for idiots. I produce for 1 ruble, I drive to offshore for 1.10 rubles. Offshore sells for 4 rubles.
    All money is tax-deductible.
    To create growth committees in the regions under the tax authorities. Not only to collect. But to determine the specifics of the region, create cooperatives with the participation of the state and private owners. To cultivate grooming and cherish, and then to collect taxes.
    First of all, agricultural. Processing. If sheep are raised in Dagestan, it is advisable to build a modern wool processing complex and the equipment is the same, the same fish breeding, sturgeon swims nearby in the sea. In the Yaroslavl region, let’s say a flax enterprise, a full processing cycle.
    On the board of directors are suppliers of products, a tax representative. Make at least 1 ruble as a shareholder. And control it, you won’t steal it from yourself. The right to buy back shares in the company by the supplying shareholders, we have the money back in the regional fund, invest in another company.
    If the state bucks in $ 20 billion for football and Russky Island is one thing. And if it creates the growth funds in each region for the same money, starting from 5-10 billion. The regions will begin to grow.
    Now I have in Auchan (a store 300 meters from the house) cheeses of types 50 from 200 rubles to 1200 rubles. Of these, Russian-made -1 One, creamy 260, not for my taste, fresh and fat.
    The rest by the number of varieties are Germans, French, Poles, Lithuanians, Belarus, Fi
  • Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 4 September 2013 13: 13 New
    +1
    <<< If the state is going to radically save money, it turns out that the savings will once again be aimed at blindly storing dollars and euros in a reserve fund with the expectation that this money will again save us from the crisis ... Perhaps they will save us.>
    If by then there will be someone and what to save!
  • common man
    common man 4 September 2013 13: 29 New
    +4
    How many "maternal capitals" did Vasiliev and Serdyukov steal?
  • vezunchik
    vezunchik 4 September 2013 13: 36 New
    +3
    Putin’s response, despite its streamlining and ornate nature, unequivocally told the questioner that not only were the Russian authorities not going to provide for new expenses, but revisions with old expenses were quite possible and that the head of state was allowed
    You can’t - don’t bother those who can ... 13 years at such a post is a long time, the severity of worries affects. If Esli Brezhnev left 1974 when Sovmin was headed by Kosygin, the country went a different way. The main backwardness began in the late 70s ...
    1. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 4 September 2013 13: 56 New
      -1
      And who can? Specifically, last names?
      1. Ivan_Ivanov
        Ivan_Ivanov 4 September 2013 19: 48 New
        0
        Wow ... And here are the cons for what?

        You can’t name names, but minus me ... Well ... laughing laughing
  • Ivan_Ivanov
    Ivan_Ivanov 4 September 2013 14: 51 New
    -1
    Here is one more proof that this article is a manipulation for which the author lies and invents non-existent facts.

    From the article:
    If the state is going to radically save, it turns out that the savings will once again be aimed at blindly storing dollars and euros in a reserve fund ...

    http://www.rg.ru/2013/09/04/valuta-anons.html
    The Ministry of Finance may refuse to purchase foreign currency for the reserve fund this year. This was told to ITAR-TASS by the head of the department, Anton Siluanov.
    1. Volodin
      4 September 2013 15: 26 New
      +2
      Or maybe not refuse ...
      1. Ivan_Ivanov
        Ivan_Ivanov 4 September 2013 15: 38 New
        +1
        Or maybe the state will not store dollars in the reserve fund, as the author claims, before blaming the state and Putin’s authorities for this.
        1. fartfraer
          fartfraer 4 September 2013 21: 42 New
          +1
          Based on my modest experience, I can only say that you can’t believe the president’s words, because they often diverge from deeds and the surrounding reality. And this is the main problem-distrust of the authorities. And it is not caused by the propaganda of state departments and bulk, but by the divergence of reality and words.
      2. Ivan_Ivanov
        Ivan_Ivanov 4 September 2013 16: 51 New
        -2
        This is what surprises me.

        The author of the article says that the state can be saving by buying up dollars and storing them in a reserve fund. To which I object, citing the words of the Minister of Finance, who says that the state most likely will not buy up dollars for the reserve fund. For which they negate me.

        Are you guys not friends with reality? Doesn't it suit you? Damn, this is a clinic ... wassat
        1. Russ69
          Russ69 4 September 2013 23: 10 New
          +2
          Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
          Are you guys not friends with reality? Doesn't it suit you? Damn, this is a clinic ...

          By pattern, no longer reading. If one post did not like the topic, then others must be minus ...
          This happens, I noticed on myself ... smile
          1. Ivan_Ivanov
            Ivan_Ivanov 5 September 2013 11: 00 New
            0
            That's right.
    2. Uhe
      Uhe 4 September 2013 20: 30 New
      +3
      But the head of the Central Bank said that the dollar would not grow, but it had already risen by 3,5 rubles :) The default was in 1998, and in front of him the head of state said that he was ready to put his head on the rails. Something similar happened in 2006. Then, too, the current one smiled and said that everything was fine. However, they have been repeating this for many years. Do you still believe their words?

      I talked here with one Ukrainian saleswoman working in the Russian Federation. So she said that they were so envious of Russia that our head is Putin, and in Ukraine Yanukovych. Arriving here, she realized how deeply mistaken and that Putin was no better than Yanukovych, they just have different conditions of power.

      A clear process is going on in the Russian Federation: final approval as a state. capitalism in one of its worst manifestations - clan oligarchism. I would also call it corporatocracy. From this system to fascism is very close. In fact, one step remains: the appearance of a deified leader. So think for yourself, how long is left if you want something? ;)
  • Djozz
    Djozz 4 September 2013 15: 31 New
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    I heard that this aphorism of Chernomyrdin was issued by one of the deputies of the pre-revolutionary Duma, nothing is new under the moon "Ecclesiastes"
  • pinecone
    pinecone 4 September 2013 16: 53 New
    +2
    Under the prevailing political and economic system of oligarchic management, especially after joining the WTO, the opportunities for economic growth have been exhausted.
  • pinecone
    pinecone 4 September 2013 17: 33 New
    0
    Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
    Or maybe the state will not store dollars in the reserve fund, as the author claims, before blaming the state and Putin’s authorities for this.


    Quite possible. The economy is "sitting down", so most likely the reserves will no longer be replenished, but they will start selling.
  • yury-xnumx
    yury-xnumx 4 September 2013 17: 50 New
    +1
    Pay attention to how gracefully Putin translates the arrows to the government, pretending that he has nothing to do with it! And how he is trying to embellish his luminous appearance, canceling the initiative of the Minister of Finance of Russia Anton Siluanov to eliminate maternity capital. Well, you can cut, for example, the costs of the Olympics and the World Cup. Less will be stolen.
    1. alone
      alone 4 September 2013 23: 05 New
      +1
      Do you know how much the olympiad will cost Russia? 214 billion rubles. If you add here what was stolen from the Olympics, it is not surprising that Siluanov wanted to eliminate maternity capital. and as everyone knows, it was decided to spend 20 trillion rubles on the rearmament of the army. I wonder how much of this amount was spent? and what was done specifically for the rearmament?
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 5 September 2013 00: 01 New
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        Quote: lonely
        Do you know how much the olympiad will cost Russia? 214 billion rubles.
        Do not be so economical laughing
  • GEO
    GEO 4 September 2013 19: 14 New
    -5
    "Clever", damn it ... Putin do not like you? Before, he is a statesman to the bone. Yeltsin wanted again ??? Or Khrushchev? You need to think with your head, not your skull ...
    1. Uhe
      Uhe 4 September 2013 20: 23 New
      -1
      The fact is that the same Khrushchev could not destroy what was created by Stalin, and Putin managed to destroy what was left after Yeltsin;)

      Well, the choice of two evils of the lesser is a stupid way, a non-Russian way.
    2. Russ69
      Russ69 4 September 2013 23: 14 New
      +1
      Quote: GEO
      Wise guys, damn it ... you don’t like Putin? He’s a statesman to the bone. Did they want Yeltsin again ??? Or Khrushchev?

      Nowadays, another hero is Navalny ... A protege of Nemtsov, Kasparov ... And they are definitely for Russia, only this one ...
      1. Hon
        Hon 4 September 2013 23: 25 New
        +1
        Putin is a protege of Chubais and Berezovsky, though he’ll throw the second one, because two spiders in one bank are crowded. And at one time it was supported by Nemtsov.
        After all, in one team were

        and don’t forget whose Putin receiver ...
        1. Russ69
          Russ69 4 September 2013 23: 32 New
          -2
          Quote: Hon
          After all, in one team were

          Keyword, "were."
          1. fartfraer
            fartfraer 4 September 2013 23: 33 New
            +1
            Well, Chubais is still on the same team.
            1. Russ69
              Russ69 5 September 2013 01: 07 New
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              Quote: fartfraer
              Well, Chubais is still on the same team.

              I agree with Chubais ...
              And what about Nemtsov, Berezovsky, Khodor, Gusinsky, Yavlinsky also in his team?
              One red bastard stayed ...
              Stalin also did not overlook Khrushchev. Although there were more opportunities.
          2. Hon
            Hon 4 September 2013 23: 35 New
            +1
            Wow, Putin kicked him out of the team as did Berezovsky. Tell them they say Putin did a fine job, got rid of, so he got rid of his competitors, Chubais and his ilk are still in the team, so nothing personal is just business.
        2. studentmati
          studentmati 4 September 2013 23: 33 New
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          Quote: Hon
          Putin is a protege of Chubais and Berezovsky, though he’ll throw the second one, because two spiders in one bank are crowded. And at one time it was supported by Nemtsov. After all, in one team were



          The bottom photo is very informative !!! good

          Handshake in the ring is an official ceremony.

          And if you take a closer look, then the handshake on the part of Putin is more likely a fighting seizure (he doesn’t take it by the hand, but higher), and according to logic, the next action will be a jerk on yourself and a blow to the groin. Which, in principle, happened from a political point of view.

          Look at the eyes of rivals, Nemtsov is completely relaxed, they say Volodka did, he is ours. And GDP is in full tension of the beast ready for a decisive and deadly leap!
          1. fartfraer
            fartfraer 4 September 2013 23: 37 New
            +1
            huh? is it a beast, ready for a jump? and what for 13 years did not jump?
            1. studentmati
              studentmati 4 September 2013 23: 43 New
              +1
              Quote: fartfraer
              huh? is it a beast, ready for a jump? and what for 13 years did not jump?


              Big seen in the distance. Historians will appreciate. If we survive, we will find out.
              1. fartfraer
                fartfraer 4 September 2013 23: 47 New
                +1
                I’m not arguing here. I just hope that there will be no shame in front of the children for such a “ruler" (I even voted for him in 2000)
                1. Hon
                  Hon 4 September 2013 23: 51 New
                  +1
                  Then it was the right decision, but now the “stability” has puzzled
                  1. studentmati
                    studentmati 4 September 2013 23: 59 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Hon
                    but now it’s “stability”


                    Today, little fun, I agree. But, personally, I was embroiled in jolly 93-98 and I do not want to return there.
                    1. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 5 September 2013 00: 07 New
                      +2
                      Sanya, as one friend of mine says: Perpetuated poverty, we will survive and abundant. Sad humor.
                      1. studentmati
                        studentmati 5 September 2013 00: 11 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        Sanya, as one friend of mine says: Perpetuated poverty, we will survive and abundant. Sad humor.


                        Having survived the "fun" of the 90s, Sasha will survive any abundance. The main thing in the body is the presence of the Spirit. If the Spirit is in order, then the body will cope! drinks
                      2. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 5 September 2013 00: 16 New
                        +1
                        It is genetically embedded in us!
                      3. studentmati
                        studentmati 5 September 2013 00: 22 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        It is genetically embedded in us!


                        Truly, they beat us, but we still oppress our line! Great people after all! A people with its own internal principles!
                      4. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 5 September 2013 00: 29 New
                        +2
                        ..............................
                      5. studentmati
                        studentmati 5 September 2013 00: 35 New
                        0
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        ..............................


                        The beginning of time! +++
  • Hon
    Hon 4 September 2013 23: 39 New
    +1
    Here is a photo more interesting. Ba familiar all faces
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    1. studentmati
      studentmati 4 September 2013 23: 46 New
      0
      Please repeat the black and white photo you deleted!
      1. Hon
        Hon 4 September 2013 23: 48 New
        +2
        Comp buggy, confusion with the comments turned out. Good team? Little Ksyusha is missing
        1. studentmati
          studentmati 4 September 2013 23: 53 New
          +1
          The creators of the history of Russia at this short stage in the years 20-50. Everyone has a good or bad opinion! The history of Russia is centuries-old and its periods have been and will be different.
  • fartfraer
    fartfraer 4 September 2013 23: 29 New
    +3
    not being a supporter of Navalny, I note that it was not he who handed out Russian territories and invested money in American securities.
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 5 September 2013 00: 44 New
      0
      Quote: fartfraer
      not being a supporter of Navalny, I note that it was not he who handed out Russian territories and invested money in American securities.

      So there was no possibility ... smile
      But what the pens reached, it was noted there ...
  • igor_ua
    igor_ua 4 September 2013 23: 29 New
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    That is, hawai people give what and legs bow that at least this was given?
  • Panikovsky
    Panikovsky 4 September 2013 20: 18 New
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    yes Putin is a normal guy, I want you guys to disavow, kill the scoundrel-chubais. I hate him . and you, treat this bastard-chubais as you want.
    1. alone
      alone 4 September 2013 21: 16 New
      +3
      Do you know how Putin became manager of the president’s apparatus at EBN? recommended him Chubais)))) wassat
      1. Hon
        Hon 4 September 2013 21: 46 New
        +2
        You are lying, there wasn’t
  • alone
    alone 4 September 2013 21: 14 New
    +4
    Siluanov recently talked about the budget deficit. The government decided to close the deficit by raising the retirement age (the elderly will have to work a few more years), cutting the budget from education (preparing an illiterate future generation), cutting funding for health care (an illiterate generation with different diseases) and finally the refusal to pay maternal money.

    the deficit now amounts to 500 billion rubles. since 2000, more than $ 100 billion of debt has been written off by a different state. What is the benefit of a simple citizen from this? Everyone knows the answer!
    1. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 4 September 2013 22: 19 New
      -2
      and you all measure personal gain? ...
      1. alone
        alone 4 September 2013 22: 55 New
        +2
        what is the personal benefit? the money that should have been spent by the people is given out on credit, then it is written off so that these same lenders again take out loans, which will be written off again. And where is the benefit that you are talking about? How is this benefit better than improving the well-being of the people?
        1. Russ69
          Russ69 4 September 2013 23: 38 New
          +1
          Quote: lonely
          the money that should have been spent by the people is given out on credit, then it is written off so that these same lenders again take out loans, which will be written off again. And where is the benefit that you are talking about? How is this benefit better than improving the well-being of the people?

          This money was still handed out during the USSR, to support motley regimes.
          And the benefits are such that removing financial burdens makes it possible to improve trade and others. Which increases production, and therefore a stable salary of people.
          Debt writing off is a normal practice in the economy and not only international.
          1. fartfraer
            fartfraer 4 September 2013 23: 46 New
            +1
            “And the benefits are such that the removal of financial burdens makes it possible to improve trade and others” - the presence of debts makes it possible to put pressure on the debtor in order to obtain a profitable contract. For example, noble farewells to debts gave Iraq all our oil “fish” places along the way overseas. yes, it’s clear that they fought and wanted something “tasty”, but why did our politicians forget about debts and “without a fight” leaked the opportunity to take deposits, or even talk about a military base on account of debt?
    2. Russ69
      Russ69 4 September 2013 23: 17 New
      0
      Quote: lonely
      since 2000, more than $ 100 billion of debt has been written off by a different state. What is the benefit of a simple citizen from this? Everyone knows the answer!

      And what is the benefit of having been owed to you for about 30 years and when they will give it is not known, and indeed will it be given at all ...
      350 billion were written off in the geyropa for the year ...
      1. fartfraer
        fartfraer 4 September 2013 23: 32 New
        +2
        in Angola, the richest deposits of diamonds. but the debt was written off to her.
        “350 billion were written off in the geyropa over the year ...” - strive to imitate the “geyropa”?
  • Russ69
    Russ69 5 September 2013 00: 57 New
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    Quote: fartfraer
    in Angola, the richest deposits of diamonds. but the debt was written off to her.
    “350 billion were written off in the geyropa over the year ...” - strive to imitate the “geyropa”?

    Only here is where this Angola is in terms of economics.
    Although the geyropa does not attract me, I cannot call them fools in terms of finances ... And the point is not in it, but in the economic laws themselves.
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 5 September 2013 06: 39 New
      +2
      “Only now, where is this Angola in terms of economics.” - That's the point) Angola could not repay debts, so it was necessary not to forgive them, but to take them in kind, to squeeze out the right to develop resources.
  • Russ69
    Russ69 5 September 2013 16: 16 New
    0
    Quote: fartfraer
    “Only now, where is this Angola in terms of economics.” - That's the point) Angola could not repay debts, so it was necessary not to forgive them, but to take them in kind, to squeeze out the right to develop resources.

    To squeeze from whom? The government has so little to decide. All sweets have long been shared between Western companies, and they have nothing to do with debt.
  • baytygan
    baytygan 5 September 2013 20: 56 New
    0
    Socialism is not dead. Everything is yet to come ...
  • D_L
    D_L 7 September 2013 15: 10 New
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    Ordinary people will always endure and again endure. With any kind of power, if not cool!