Smashed contest

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From the very beginning of the Russia-10 competition, which was launched on the initiative of the Russian Geographical Society (President of the Russian Geographical Society - Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu) and the Russia-1 TV channel, the online review Military Observation tried to cover the competition. The competition, at first glance, has a patriotic orientation, and thanks to it, the Russians should be able to express their opinion on which symbol corresponds to Russia. However, it was only at first glance. As the voting proceeded, it turned out that the competition was becoming more and more politicized and was not at all an incentive to search for a symbol, but another stumbling block in interethnic and interfaith sharp dialogues.

Smashed contest


People began to realize that the very idea of ​​the competition initially had a certain internal flaw: can one choose a single symbol in a multinational and multi-religious country, which represents this country? Did the organizers of the Russia-10 contest understand the flaw that ultimately resulted in an all-Russian scandal? It is difficult to admit that they did not understand, because behind the shoulders of the same television channel "Russia" was already in something similar competition "Name of Russia".

In the competition, as many probably remember, it was necessary to vote for one or another historical personalities. And that historical figure, who, according to the results, gained the most votes, became the winner of the competition. It was in 2008, and then there was also a scandal. At one stage of the competition, it turned out that the Russians were voting “wrong” - with a significant margin from the closest “pursuers” Joseph Stalin was in the lead. In addition to him, two Vladimirs were in the top three - Vysotsky and Lenin. It seemed to someone that if Stalin suddenly took and won the “race”, it would provoke either a big scandal or a bad impact on the country's reputation ... Who exactly came to this conclusion - still remains a mystery with seven seals (or maybe , an open secret ...), but in the end, viewers began to remove the following noodles from their ears: the voting failed, a certain group of hackers attacked computers in which votes were accumulated, it was not people, but bots who voted for Stalin ...

After some time, the “Name of Russia” table underwent significant changes: Stalin was turned away from the “politically correct” by no means first positions, but Stolypin, Pushkin and Mendeleev were among the top three. As a result, Alexander Nevsky was awarded the victory in the contest “Name of Russia”, whose name could be called a sort of neutral option, which seemed to suit the majority. After the victory of Nevsky, conversations about the strangeness during the voting in the competition abated somewhat, and eventually disappeared altogether.

And now - five years after the competition to identify the Name of Russia - "Russia" (TV channel) again went on experiments. Apparently, the doubtful experience when taking into account the votes of viewers and Internet users was not taken into account, unless of course the organizers initially set themselves the task of turning the competition into a new scandalous show, warming up the interest from the public to the limit.

During the first round of the Russia-10 competition, the sensation did not smell. At the same time, several architectural and natural monuments of Russia went almost on a par, without disturbing the minds of Russians, who, if they had voted, were clearly in a peaceful and calm manner. The first thunder thundered when it became clear that the authorities of the Chechen Republic decided to win the competition. How can the authorities win? It turned out that they can ... Several publications at once, using eyewitness testimonies, came up with materials telling about how, across all republican ministries, the disputes “from above” dispersed to vote for the mosque in Grozny, which was built recently, and called the “Heart of Chechnya”. As the saying goes, the party said: yes, the Komsomol answered: there is! And the Chechen ministries have been active, “pushing” ordinary Chechens to a multiple vote.

This led to the fact that, with a sufficiently large margin in the Russia-10 competition (recall, in the competition for the title of the main symbol of Russia), the very Grozny mosque, built in the republic in two or more years and opened in the 2008 year, became the leader. After seeing the preliminary results of the competition, many Russians were indignant. The outrage was due not only to the fact that the so-called replica claimed the role of the main symbol of more than thousand years of Russia, but also because the regional authorities decided to intervene in the course of voting, trying to satisfy their own ambitions.

In order to press "Heart of Russia" from the first place in the competition, something unprecedented was undertaken: millions of votes fell from various phones and computers, and the same people voted, as they say, to calluses on the fingers. As a result, it turned out that the Grozny mosque clashed in an SMS battle with the Kolomna Kremlin, built in the first half of the 16-th century. The Kolomna Kremlin after the second round of voting took the lead, which insanely "upset" the leadership of the Chechen Republic. At the same time, the very behavior of the head of the North Caucasian region looks, to put it mildly, strange and similar to the behavior of a non-governmental husband, but rather an offended teenager, and to put it mildly ... Ramzan Kadyrov promised to look into the question of how the Heart Chechnya ”could“ slip ”into second place, and said that it would definitely turn to the Investigation Committee and even deal with mobile operators personally.

Offended, Kadyrov in one of his blogs said that the providers “Megaphone” and “VimpelCom” did not take into account, quote: millions of SMS-votes. At the same time, Ramzan Kadyrov is sure that mobile operators have withdrawn money in all voting cases. For such an offense, the President of Chechnya decided to punish the said operators, replacing them in Chechnya with homegrown Vaynakh Telecom. Apparently, if Chechen residents had voted for the Grozny mosque through Vainakh Telecom initially, the ritual structure in the Chechen capital would have gained more votes than people living on our sinful planet ... And then Kadyrov would definitely not doubt the results of the competition.

It is noteworthy that Ramzan Akhmatovich also said that he was withdrawing “Heart of Chechnya” from voting, as he is disturbed by frauds during the contest. "Removes from the vote," hmm ... Wanted - put in a vote, wanted - took ... What, however, the official has broad powers ...

The counting of votes was dishonest. The results are falsified. This is recognized by the contest organizers themselves, who offer voices that were not taken into account in the second round to add to the results of the third round. We are also unofficially told that it was decided not to allow the occupation of the first place by the Heart of Chechnya mosque. We firmly believe that this does not contribute to the growth of spirituality and national identity of the Russians.
- Kadyrov writes in his blog.

The mobile operators accused by Kadyrov themselves are denied any guilt, stating that all sent SMS were taken into account ...

In general, the contest went along the crooked path and came to such a state that now, perhaps, any of its winners will have a certain scandalous trace thanks to the voting system that was allowed by the organizers of the contest. Apparently, here, too, will have to look for his "Alexander Nevsky" to reassure the public.
Now there is an announcement on the contest website, which says that the big resonance associated with the contest, as well as 50 of millions of SMS messages that came in one day (from 29 to 30 of August), force the organizers to conduct a technical audit. The technical audit time is limited to a week. If someone sends their votes during the audit week, the votes will be taken into account.

It turns out that now the voting is carried out at all blindly, and it is not possible to track its progress and, let's say, the frequency and direction of the recording of text messages.

Did someone expect another? Well, this is the usual voting, which today is enough on the Internet and on television. With us and with other types of voting, not everything is unequivocal, and here it’s naive to feed illusions. Send the number there, I don’t know where to pay so much, I don’t know how much ... And then we’ll let you know the results that seem right to us ... Would the mobile operators be satisfied if the most recognizable sculpture of Russia “Rodina- mother calls "or the same Kolomna Kremlin? This is clearly not compatible with their interests to correct their already extensive budget.

Apparently, because of the scandal in the competition, all candidates will have to withdraw from the vote, and the organizers will be awarded a victory by a sculpture of a Chinese mobile phone, which urgently needs to be laid exactly in the middle between Moscow and Grozny ...
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  1. +27
    4 September 2013 07: 48
    The competition, at first glance, has a patriotic orientation, and thanks to it, Russians should be able to express their opinion on which symbol corresponds to Russia. However, this was only at first glance. As the voting progressed, it became clear that the competition was becoming more politicized and not at all becoming an incentive to search for a symbol, but another stumbling block in interethnic and interfaith sharp dialogue.

    And with the first, second, and hundredth glances with the naked eye it can be seen that this is a scam for pumping money. Auction for the sale of characters.


    For such misconduct, the Chechen president decided to punish the mentioned operators, replacing them in Chechnya with the “homegrown” Vainakh Telecom. Apparently, if the Chechen residents voted for the Grozny mosque through Vainakh Telecom initially, the ritual construction in the Chechen capital would have gained more votes than people living on our sinful planet ... And then Kadyrov would have no doubt about the results of the competition.

    Late he caught himself. Not a feeble sum (something around 300 million), which the Chechens had voted on to vote, left Chechnya.


    And they vote really in Komsomol, the whole world, even connected psychological boarding

    1. -26
      4 September 2013 08: 10
      I have not seen such a failure in the national consciousness, if Kadyrov spoke for the Russians, and all those involved except money in the project did not see ...
      1. +81
        4 September 2013 08: 31
        Quote: Civil
        I have not seen such a failure in the national consciousness, if Kadyrov spoke for the Russians, and all those involved except money in the project did not see ...

        The competition was originally idiotic. In Russia, the symbol is one-KREMLIN. Whether someone likes it or not, it’s the only real symbol of the country. Everything else is nothing more than regional attractions.
        1. predator.3
          +40
          4 September 2013 09: 23
          It was in 2008, and then there was also a scandal. At one stage of the competition, it turned out that the Russians were voting “wrong” - with a significant margin from the closest “pursuers” Joseph Stalin was in the lead.

          I remember this "competition", then many "figures" from culture pissing boiling water when J.V. Stalin became the leader!
          A symbol of Russia is the Moscow Kremlin and St. Basil's Cathedral!
          1. +2
            4 September 2013 21: 57
            Quote: predator.3
            A symbol of Russia is the Moscow Kremlin and St. Basil's Cathedral!

            Siberia will not vote for this Kremlin, and I think the Far East will not! angry
            1. -2
              5 September 2013 04: 34
              Quote: old man54
              Quote: predator.3
              A symbol of Russia is the Moscow Kremlin and St. Basil's Cathedral!

              Siberia will not vote for this Kremlin, and I think the Far East will not! angry

              For "the heart of Chechnya" vote ... Or for the Chinese wall ...
              1. -3
                5 September 2013 21: 20
                Quote: Semyon Semyonich
                For "the heart of Chechnya" vote ... Or for the Chinese wall ...

                we ourselves decide to vote for the United States, without clues, and even without them it’s slippery already! bully Let Moscow vote for the hero, whom she idolizes, for example, London's Big Ben! lol
        2. +20
          4 September 2013 09: 44
          Quote: ..
          and the first three included Stolypin, Pushkin and Mendeleev.


          The stump of Mendeleev is clear. The solution is insidious.
          1. +9
            4 September 2013 10: 44
            and the first three included Stolypin, Pushkin and Mendeleev


            The presence of Stolypin in the first three raises serious doubts. It is painfully ambiguous in his glory in Russia. Especially it began to be promoted not so long ago.
            1. +3
              4 September 2013 11: 05
              Quote: aviator_IAS
              The presence of Stolypin in the first three raises serious doubts.

              Definitely. Recently, Stolypin’s promotion has been exactly the same trend as de-Stalinization. Here are just the result we have the opposite. Our people are patient, but by no means stupid, as the authorities would like. Let them rub off.
            2. +2
              4 September 2013 14: 05
              Quote: aviator_IAS
              The presence of Stolypin in the first three raises strong doubts

              From afar and without glasses it reads like Stalin. Probably stuck for this purpose.
          2. 0
            4 September 2013 17: 58
            Quote: ..
            and the first three included Stolypin, Pushkin and Mendeleev.
            Mendeleev’s invention (your solution) is always in the top three.
            1. +3
              4 September 2013 21: 26
              Yes Potemkin for Russia made the most of them all
        3. Warrawar
          0
          4 September 2013 10: 06
          Quote: Mitek
          The competition was originally idiotic. In Russia, the symbol is one-KREMLIN. Whether someone likes it or not, it’s the only real symbol of the country. Everything else is nothing more than regional attractions.

          I do not agree. There are many more recognizable characters.
          1. 0
            4 September 2013 11: 02
            Quote: Warrawar
            There are many more recognizable characters.

            for example
            1. Warrawar
              +1
              4 September 2013 11: 15
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              for example

              Mother Motherland, Kizhi. No?
              1. 0
                4 September 2013 11: 21
                Motherland yes, but Kizhi is very doubtful, with the same success Uglich can be called a symbol
                1. +4
                  4 September 2013 14: 09
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Motherland yes, but Kizhi is very doubtful, with the same success Uglich can be called a symbol

                  Uglich is also a symbol. Everything will change only when we learn to appreciate these symbols, and is proud of them, like the Czechs with their remake.
                  1. 0
                    4 September 2013 15: 39
                    we confuse concepts
                    1. +6
                      4 September 2013 17: 30
                      Not without it. Here we take, for example, the average resident of Stavropol, do you think Uglich is a symbol for him? And if we take the Arkhangelogorodets, for him the Arkhangelsk Kremlin will be a great symbol, for the Astrakhan the Astrakhan Kremlin, for the Kazan Kazan Kremlin, for the Muscovite Moscow Kremlin, etc.

                      The idea of ​​this contest is itself hostile to a vast multinational country. IMHO!
                      1. +3
                        4 September 2013 22: 03
                        Quote: Evrepid
                        The idea of ​​this contest is itself hostile to a vast multinational country.

                        voo, very sensible, finally, a comment. We are once again separated by these competitions, and we are happy to try! Rodney Mother is not even a Volgograd and Stalingrad monument! This is a Monument of fortitude and strength of spirit of the Slavic nation and other nations, who fought with us in that war! And this is the common single symbol of a normal country, a united, not different ngv Kremlin in Russia or Mosque!
                      2. +1
                        5 September 2013 00: 55
                        Quote: old man54
                        This is a Monument of fortitude and strength of spirit of the Slavic nation and other nations, who fought with us in that war!

                        the battle of Moscow was no less important than the Stalingrad. You recall how the soldiers went from the parade into battle?
                      3. +1
                        5 September 2013 14: 57
                        The battle of Stalingrad, the battle of Voronezh - These are battles that fettered a huge number of enemy troops.
                        If this had not happened, then the battle of Moscow would have been lost.
                        This is all the reasoning from the field of what would happen if it happened like this, but the story has no subjunctive mood, it happened as it happened.
                      4. 0
                        5 September 2013 21: 28
                        Quote: Setrac
                        You recall how the soldiers went from the parade into battle?

                        Yeah, remind me! Especially what they were for the regiments where they were formed and who mainly composed them. The battle of Moscow ... in a strategic sense, is more than mediocre, well, the Germans were stopped then, yes. perfectly. Well, they were thrown back from the capital city for 200 km, so what? The minimum number fell into the environment of the invaders, their losses were commensurate with ours during this operation. the front after it in this central direction is yes, stabilized, that’s good. But Stalingrad ... good And something the same Churchill after the battle of Moscow did not bring the sword-treasurer as a gift, but after Stalingrad he brought it !! tongue
                    2. 0
                      5 September 2013 04: 36
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      we confuse concepts

                      ... living on them ...
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                  3. +2
                    4 September 2013 17: 21
                    If Russia is considered only Moscow and the Moscow region. That may be a symbol. And Motherland is worse? I think that based on the fact that this is a symbol of the struggle of ALL peoples of the Russian Federation for freedom, it is more suitable than a murdered prince.

                    And as such, Mamaev Kurgan has a more glorious history of the battle for freedom and independence of the Russian Federation as a whole than the coal Kremlin.
                    Mamaev Kurgan is the memory of millions of the fallen, and the coal Kremlin is known for only one slaughtered Tserevich.

                    And it itself is part of the story, but in my opinion, does not draw on the All-Russian monument!
                    1. -1
                      4 September 2013 18: 34
                      +-
                      Quote: Evrepid
                      than the coal Kremlin

                      and what does it have to do with it?
                      1. 0
                        5 September 2013 14: 59
                        You see, this is just an example. One could say in the same sense than the Novgorod Kremlin / Lake Pleshcheevo / Rostov Kremlin, etc.
            2. Misantrop
              +1
              4 September 2013 19: 17
              By the way, who knows, Baikal was among the characters? Or are there, by condition, only man-made required?
              1. +3
                4 September 2013 21: 19
                Oh, what a view from the Kultuksky pass!
        4. +11
          4 September 2013 10: 41
          Quote: Mitek
          The competition was originally idiotic.

          All "contests" with SMS for money are initially sharpened for the loot and the resonance is created initially for the loot.
          It is necessary to prohibit such "attractions" by law.
          And the channel of Russia and mobile operators under Article 282 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation is minimal, and the money should be returned to all those participating.

          282 of the Criminal Code states:
          b) a person using his / her official position;
          c) by an organized group, -
          shall be punishable by a fine in the amount of one hundred thousand to five hundred thousand rubles, or in the amount of the convict's salary or other income for a period of one year to three years, or by deprivation of the right to occupy certain positions or engage in certain activities for a term of up to five years, or compulsory work for a term up to four hundred and eighty hours, or correctional labor for a term of one year to two years, or forced labor for a term of up to five years, or imprisonment for the same term.


          Wait or not wait for application to organizers and operators of communication?
        5. +6
          4 September 2013 10: 56
          Quote: Mitek
          The competition was originally idiotic. Russia has one symbol - KREMLIN.

          "Dumb" Europe has forbidden its people to vote for their own at Eurovision.
          For the neighbors - please!
          It is rallying!
          Yes
          And we have everything according to Chernomyrdin ...
          recourse
          Who organized the contest with us?
          Do they still have pioneer anthems in jo * pe?
          sad
          1. +2
            4 September 2013 11: 08
            Quote: Sukhov
            Do they still have pioneer anthems in jo * pe?

            It would be better if they played pioneer hymns. In the light of recent events, I strongly doubt that there is anything more brilliant than Antoshka or Murka ...
          2. Current 72
            +4
            4 September 2013 16: 28
            Citizen Sukhov, and why you do not like pioneer hymns, maybe so: We are pioneers children of workers ......?
        6. 0
          4 September 2013 12: 32
          Yeah! The competition for the symbol of Russia has become a competition for corruption!
        7. 0
          4 September 2013 21: 13
          But what about the motherland?
        8. -2
          4 September 2013 21: 54
          Quote: Mitek
          In Russia, the symbol is one-KREMLIN. Whether someone likes it or not, it’s the only real symbol of the country.

          in one place your Moscow Kremlin (made in Italy) !!! Already so sick of him every Divine Day on TV to see, along with its inhabitants! Motherland is the symbol of Russia !!! And leave your Kremlin to yourself!
          1. 0
            5 September 2013 04: 42
            Quote: old man54
            Quote: Mitek
            In Russia, the symbol is one-KREMLIN. Whether someone likes it or not, it’s the only real symbol of the country.

            in one place your Moscow Kremlin (made in Italy) !!! Already so sick of him every Divine Day on TV to see, along with its inhabitants! Motherland is the symbol of Russia !!! And leave your Kremlin to yourself!

            Do you associate the term "Kremlin" with the government? Or did the architectural monument annoy you with something? Less bile, dear, is useful for digestion.
        9. rks5317
          0
          7 September 2013 14: 14
          Absolutely right !!! Apparently, the general with a 10-year education, who cut Russian throats, wanted something special and the Kremlin w / m took a visor ...
      2. +33
        4 September 2013 08: 34
        And what would be cool in 145 million Russia, where there are 100 million Russians, the symbol would be a mosque in Grozny, where a Chechen lives no more than a million, this would reflect how really Russians love the Caucasus.
      3. +19
        4 September 2013 09: 08
        Quote: Civil
        if Kadyrov spoke for the Russians

        What kind of Russians are these? For if the Chechens, then yes. But they are not Russians to me.
        1. +5
          4 September 2013 11: 33
          anip, Civil, probably did not understand what he wrote. As for the Chechens, we, the Russians, quickly forgot something that the Chechens in the early 90s killed tens of thousands of us, Russians, and robbed them and all those who survived before being expelled from Chechnya. This is a drunk - Yeltsin invented "Russians", but there is no such word in the Russian language.
          1. +1
            4 September 2013 11: 58
            The word "Russians" in the song "Quadrille", which was once popular in the 70-80s
      4. +5
        4 September 2013 13: 43
        Kadyrov spoke for Chechens, not for Russians
    2. +11
      4 September 2013 08: 42
      Quote: GreatRussia
      And with the first, second, and hundredth glances with the naked eye it can be seen that this is a scam for pumping money. Auction for the sale of characters.

      It can be seen with the naked eye that the holding of such "competitions" in a country that occupies 1/6 of its existence, a multinational and multi-confessional country does not contribute to either unity or peaceful coexistence. and no one will convince me that the organizers who dragged this project through the geographic society did not realize that they were planting a bomb (more like a hidden stretch). I am not opposed to conducting an inspection, but it is not the prosecutor's office who needs to check, dealing with the passage of SMS, but the FSB, figuring out the goals of the organizers and the degree of elaboration of the project regarding public, social and political security.
    3. 0
      4 September 2013 09: 00
      according to the latest news on the Internet, operators returned money to Chechens
      1. +9
        4 September 2013 09: 10
        Quote: hort
        according to the latest news on the Internet, operators returned money to Chechens

        And here they licked the Caucasians. So even if the voices were then canceled too.
    4. +6
      4 September 2013 13: 56
      Quote: GreatRussia
      And with the first, second, and hundredth glances with the naked eye it can be seen that this is a scam for pumping money. Auction for the sale of characters.

      Moreover, the very idea of ​​holding such a competition is, to put it mildly, immoral, if not criminal, as it is aimed at fomenting national contradictions, which the most ambitious republican leaders have pecked at like a pike. Russia as a state can have only one symbol, and it already has one - the Moscow Kremlin. It is with the Kremlin and Moscow that Russia is associated as a state throughout the world. The extreme degree of megalomania multiplied by nationalism is the nomination of regional (republican) architectural objects for the status of the SYMBOL OF ALL RUSSIA. What association with Russia should the Mosque in Grozny cause? Is this a symbol uniting all Russians? However, the Kolomna Kremlin from the same opera is certainly a historical monument, but to my shame, before this competition, I did not suspect its existence. It would be right to call the ideologists of the action to account, because the purpose of this competition is very dubious from the point of view of common sense, but fits perfectly into the attempt to incite separatism and ethnic hatred.
      1. +6
        4 September 2013 16: 36
        Laughter, and only Chechnya, sitting on state subsidies (read our taxes), ransacked the mosque and, for our money, is trying to put it in the lead by SMS voting ...
  2. +4
    4 September 2013 07: 48
    the rumors were offended too; their tsar-yurt was supposed to defeat am
  3. DDA
    DDA
    +36
    4 September 2013 07: 51
    The name of Russia is Russia, the face of Russia is the coat of arms of Russia, the voice of Russia is the anthem of Russia. Change this only on the basis of the constitution of Russia.
  4. +2
    4 September 2013 07: 53
    Miracles continue. Yesterday, voting was suspended. And it would seem that the results of the voting at the time of the suspension should be preserved (the first place was the Trinity-Sergius Lavra, the mosque was the heart of Chechnya in about the eighth, today they were swapped), although no one votes. The question is, how are traditions, how are spiritual bonds?
  5. Zero fact
    0
    4 September 2013 07: 57
    And what about the boxing club "Ramzan"? Why dismissed?
  6. +9
    4 September 2013 07: 58
    Ramzan cannot do without show-offs .. (this is already in the blood ..) As if there were no other problems ..
    1. +22
      4 September 2013 09: 37
      him? problems? Ramzan can finally have no problems)))
      Sheriff’s horse problems aren’t ..... you know for yourself.
      such an attitude towards absolutely everyone, on the camera he is the most caring, in fact nothing happens in the republic, as for me, the GDP keeps Ramzan until the time when, under a single World Showdown, it will be possible to crush all this terrorist evil in one gulp, and now a number of difficulties will arise, since he is still a regional "leader", I do not understand at all how a person who initially did not have knowledge took the helm of such a hot region, only one verdict is a deal, money (and not small) in exchange for peace of mind why so much money goes there, but nothing happens in the republic, but because this money is not for the republic, but for the people-terrorists who are holding back terror on our territory and do not need to be a visionary so as not to understand that they are from the idea of ​​the caliphate They do not intend to refuse, and at any opportunity it will again become a vector for them, LEO has money - no caliphate, no problems, no money - then excuse me .... we are Muslims, faith, martyrs, etc.
      That's all.
      Under my words there is no aversion to religions, just a lot of them hide behind and want - you don’t want, but cling to the religious component in any proceedings. This was the initial calculation of those who push greed under religion. And where self-interest, you can push religion, but .... a little bit different, examples in Syria
      1. +2
        4 September 2013 12: 01
        "... the behavior of the head of the North Caucasus region looks, to put it mildly, strange and similar to the behavior of not a statesman at all, but rather an offended teenager, and this is to put it mildly ..."
        He is a teenager. As for education, this is decided in the underpass for little money.
  7. +9
    4 September 2013 08: 04
    If you discard the two leading positions from the vote - this will be the real result of the vote.
    PS: voted for Baikal.
    1. Genera
      +2
      4 September 2013 09: 28
      I fully support, organized a competition of principles, removed these two leading positions, will find other sights for the sake of their own ambitions.
  8. Pit
    Pit
    +26
    4 September 2013 08: 11
    Bullshit. There are not as many Muslims in Russia as there are voices, but personally, to be honest, I found out about this mosque only a couple of days ago, when govno began to boil.
    And there are at least 99% of the country's population who are ignorant of this miracle of the "ancient" zotchism.
    If we do something with a symbol, then it’s definitely not a remake, but something that has at least a couple of centuries of glorious history !!!
    1. +11
      4 September 2013 08: 22
      Quote: Pit
      If we do something with a symbol, then it’s definitely not a remake, but something that has at least a couple of centuries of glorious history !!!
      Then Mother Motherland will also have to be removed from the competition. Not age should be the case, but in significance.
      1. Pit
        Pit
        +6
        4 September 2013 09: 16
        Quote: Nagan
        Not age should be the case, but in significance.

        Well, yes, you’re right, that I turned down. I repent.
        But still, how can one make a symbol that only a couple percent of the population knows about?
        1. +2
          4 September 2013 11: 27
          Quote: Pit
          Well, yes, you’re right, that I turned down. I repent.

          No, you did not bend.
          No.
          Simple Your opponent pointed out an exception., which confirms the rule you have formulated.
          wassat
    2. +1
      4 September 2013 08: 39
      ++++++++ Ancient architecture laughing
  9. +24
    4 September 2013 08: 26
    Imagine that heart Chechnya will become a symbol RUSSIA??? Quite a guy went to the roof.
    1. -22
      4 September 2013 08: 51
      But what, Chechnya-not Russia?) Smacks of separatism)

      In no way am I trying to justify finding the mosque in the first place - this is wrong. But why a monument in Volgograd, a lake in Siberia or a valley in the Far East can be symbols of Russia, but something in the Caucasus - not?
      1. IGS
        +11
        4 September 2013 09: 42
        I can explain ... how many rubles went to vote from Chechnya for a remake that cost how many rubles? And this is at a time when they want to cut the budget at the expense of mothers and pensioners ... Does it smell like separatism? to whom? maybe to the rest of the population of Russia?
        1. +3
          4 September 2013 20: 53
          And what does the money have to do with it? Here, a man almost openly said that Chechnya is not Russia. Several generations of Russian people shed blood for him and dozens of others like him, who had received his messages.
          1. IGS
            0
            4 September 2013 22: 34
            He did not say that. In your opinion, if I said that St. Petersburg is a symbol of Russia, would you accuse me of wanting to separate Russia from St. Petersburg? Maybe you want to see this?
            1. 0
              5 September 2013 07: 53
              Chechnya's heart will become a symbol of RUSSIA

              Chechnya is openly opposed to Russia. You do not oppose Peter to Russia?
              1. IGS
                0
                7 September 2013 15: 13
                I will answer politically correct smile The author did not separate anything, but expressed dissatisfaction with the fact that they wanted to make a symbol of the Muslim faith, as well as a symbol of the Muslim faith, as a symbol of Orthodox Russia (excuse me if anyone was hurt, but it happened historically that the center of unification of different nationalities in Russia was the Russian people, mostly Orthodox) one of the regions that is an integral part of the Russian Federation (I seriously), in which, in the recent past, there were politically incorrect persecutions of Orthodox Christians. Of course, now these shortcomings are eliminated. smile but do not disturb past wounds for a while.
      2. +6
        4 September 2013 11: 50
        Basileus, Something - something, as they say, strife. Ramzan, if he would care for the Caucasus in principle, should be offered, for example, Elbrus. And he pushes his mosque! Mosque! And he offered this to the Russians! Some of them are Orthodox, and some (like me, for example) are generally atheists. By the way, I never voted for anything when it dawned on me that SMS was paid. And now a scandal, with signs of a scam, just as in my gut felt that they were being thrown somewhere.
        1. +2
          4 September 2013 20: 32
          So I am not making excuses for Kadyrov's big child, or the idiot organizers, or anyone else. But here is a person who thinks that Chechnya is not Russia and the 27 people who support him and give me disadvantages are frightening. This is the very "imperial" patriotic majority that hates liberals, but makes themselves no better than themselves with such statements. Because it is for our liberals that the simplest solution to the Caucasian problem is its secession, and a patriot should not want his country to collapse. Is not it so?
          1. IGS
            +3
            4 September 2013 22: 01
            I personally didn’t set a minus, and about disconnecting Chechnya ... these are pipes. But for this comment I made, I ask, do not substitute the concepts of Kadyrov — far from a child, and the games are not children’s, tell this to the mothers of the fallen soldiers (essentially children) when he was a fighter. The organizers are not stupid, they raped money and not a little. Imperial ways ... er no .. Russia has always been associated with the word and concept of Orthodoxy, with all the diversity of religions, and everyone understood this, and the rest of the creeds were not deprived or persecuted, Orthodoxy professes tolerance for other religions, REAL tolerance. Suicide bombers with a belt full of explosives, killing themselves and others for the Orthodox Church ... nonsense and nonsense. And that's it. They put a little bush, but screaming loudly ... instead of stoning in place, at best. Yes, we bought Chechnya, it’s better than the blood of our children, now they are overgrown with fat, they have something to lose, they won’t fight, albeit regularly scare it ... well .. well .. they have so much inside the contradictions and resentments accumulated due to the dough section, that they themselves will cut each other if that. Simply, sometimes you can use the whip to know your place. Yes ... I do not speak for the entire Chechen people. There are enough normal, hardworking (it sounds strange, right?) People, only we don’t see them, because they live, work and want to die on their land, the land of their fathers, and they will not go to Moscow or any other city . Kadyrov, by his deed wants a negative reaction from the whole of Russia, and not only the Orthodox, or in our country there are no more places revered by Muslims? Google to the rescue. And then, the child was just fooling around ... and the organizers are not friends with the head, but wave your hand and do not pay attention ..
          2. +1
            4 September 2013 22: 19
            Quote: Basileus
            But here is a man who believes that Chechnya is not Russia, and the 27 people who support him and put me down are scary.

            Moreover, these same people scolded Humpbacked and EBN for the collapse of Russia, but again they themselves propose to separate the Caucasus, then something else ...
            As regards the contest, it is unlikely that the organizers thought that the mosque was so impudently dragged to the first place.
        2. +1
          4 September 2013 21: 02
          Yes, it’s a scam, they pumped money from citizens and that’s all. And then, regardless of the votes, they declared their option as a winner. Even if Ramzan put there a billion greens, the mosque wouldn’t go through. By the way, they bred him like a sucker)))
      3. 0
        4 September 2013 23: 25
        Quote: Basileus
        In no way am I trying to justify finding the mosque in the first place - this is wrong. But why a monument in Volgograd, a lake in Siberia or a valley in the Far East can be symbols of Russia, but something in the Caucasus - not?

        Yes, the whole competition is aimed at rocking separatism. From which Christmas tree did the organizers fall, they don’t know what is the symbol of Russia? How can this symbol be sought in Chechnya or on Lake Baikal? If we are talking about an architectural monument, then it’s even more criminal to look further than Red Square. A symbol can only be in the capital of the state, everything else is a regional symbol. If the organizers had initially raised the question of regional symbols, then everything would have been right - the Heart of Chechnya is the symbol of Chechnya, the Kolomna Kremlin is the symbol of the Moscow region, the Baikal is the symbol of Eastern Siberia, etc., but how can one look for the symbol of Russia further than Moscow?
  10. Scarte
    +2
    4 September 2013 08: 30
    I generally cannot understand where they dug from that one architectural structure will be the symbol of Russia (go and hear it) !? Even on the website of the competition there is no such thing! It says otherwise, "10 leaders are not ranked. There will be no 1st and 10th places, only 10 leaders and that's all. 10 leaders are recognized as winners!"
    http://10russia.ru/rules (в самом низу)...Ну и на мой взгляд надо было в условиях конкурса сразу оговаривать, что принимать участия будут строения и сооружения которым более 100 лет и природные зоны. Как то так)
    1. Quiet
      +12
      4 September 2013 09: 05
      from where they dug out that one architectural structure will be a symbol of Russia

      THE SYMBOL OF RUSSIA is the territory of Russia !!!!! good drinks hi
      1. Scarte
        +2
        4 September 2013 09: 55
        THE SYMBOL OF RUSSIA is the territory of Russia !!!!!

        certainly !!!!! drinks
      2. +3
        4 September 2013 18: 05
        THE SYMBOL OF RUSSIA is the territory of Russia !!!!!

        Add: and the people of Russia !!!
      3. +1
        5 September 2013 05: 03
        Quote: Quiet
        from where they dug out that one architectural structure will be a symbol of Russia

        THE SYMBOL OF RUSSIA is the territory of Russia !!!!! good drinks hi

        ... and the mysterious Russian soul drinks
  11. Quiet
    +1
    4 September 2013 08: 35
    As a result, it turned out that the Grozny mosque clashed in an SMS battle with the Kolomna Kremlin, built in the first half of the 16th century.

    The boy - Ramzanchik did not admit (and thank God) that in order to win it was just necessary to blow up the Kolomna Kremlin !! Now the organizers of such shows have a new headache - to provide reliable protection for all the monuments entering the semifinals !!! fool am lol
  12. Sewer
    +26
    4 September 2013 08: 39
    The fact that the Chechen mosque was generally put up for participation is an insult to the entire Russian people! You just think about it,MosqueAll! It was an open statement that they were the masters of Russia, they thought and think so! With what fright did she get into the competition? Not only does Chechnya start to greet from year to year, but every day, and if it goes on, it will be either a new war with them or we just become their slaves, there will be no other! Do not believe in the myth that we can live peacefully, this was not with the tsars, not with the USSR, and now this is not! There is a tribute that Russia pays Chechnya, at the cost of the lives of our soldiers, Kadyrov was seated on the throne of Chechnya, a geek who fought against Russia in the first war, that there is a mosque in the original Russian and founded Russian city of Grozny, and there is no place for Russians at all, that is that the Stavropol Territory is actively populated by Chechens and so on! Our government doesn’t react to this, but only contributes to this! I personally, I don’t see anything good on this issue in the future!
    1. Quiet
      +20
      4 September 2013 08: 49
      The fact that the Chechen mosque was generally exhibited

      This mosque "remake" With the same success you can put up for the competition any mansion on the "Rublevka" !!! fool
    2. +5
      4 September 2013 09: 54
      The symbol of Russia is a mosque! This can only be a dream in a nightmare.
      (Similarly, it is difficult to imagine a mosque as a symbol of Germany or the Czech Republic or France, although they certainly are there).
      But, on the other hand, this can be perceived as a gloomy warning about the future of our country.
      1. 0
        5 September 2013 01: 07
        Quote: alebor
        The symbol of Russia is a mosque! This can only be a dream in a nightmare.

        Well, they had the right to fight, but in a fair fight. Shame, remake, no different construction pushed into the competition. The Chechens had the most beautiful mosque, now this mosque has the dubious glory of the most scandalous mosque in the world, an antipiar.
    3. pahom54
      +6
      4 September 2013 10: 26
      And it pays a huge tribute ... And at the same time they whine about the budget deficit, and begin to cut social programs ... And let the grandmother cut this tribute to bribe Chechnya, supposedly temporarily peaceful ... Damn, but they laugh at us that such grandmas (LEGALLY - from the budget, and ILLEGAL - by robbery and fraud) are pulled from Russia. And in general: they say that they are independent, that they are not Russia, so why put up your caravanserai for the competition?
      And in general - and what, Chechnya claims the role of the Tatar-Mongol yoke ???
      If Bush patted Medvedev on the shoulder in Tokyo - it was humiliating ... Well, here Putin was spat and put in the face, but he didn’t cut through ...
  13. +10
    4 September 2013 08: 41
    Such is the symbol of Russia. Gave the command to vote for the mosque. In Syria, "infidels" are killing Muslims, and the main thing for them is to win an SMS vote.
    1. Quiet
      +6
      4 September 2013 16: 05
      In Syria, "infidels" kill Muslims

      Can give the battalion "Vostok" stretch on the infidels ??? And then after 08.08.08. overgrown with fat. Otherwise, nafig so much dough in Ichkeria! LET'S WORK !!!!! angry
      1. +2
        4 September 2013 20: 59
        belay Do you think the East battalion is stronger than the entire Syrian army? _))
    2. +2
      4 September 2013 17: 54
      Gaddafi also had a golden gun
      1. Dober
        +1
        4 September 2013 20: 26
        Quote: Diamond
        Gaddafi also had a golden gun

        Not him alone.
        Not a problem, you want to do it too -

        How much is a Kalashnikov gold assault rifle?

        Modification Barrel length Cost (excluding bayonet)
        AK-47 / AK-74 415 mm 50k rubles
        AK-102 314 mm 45 thousand rubles
        AKS-74U 206,5 mm40 thousand rubles


        esquire.ru/5-min-ak47
  14. +2
    4 September 2013 08: 49
    Ramzan confused the east with the west ... In general, he always confuses them ... laughing
    1. Quiet
      +1
      4 September 2013 16: 59
      Ramzan confused east with west

      In his battalions he was also confused leading the serene life of a parasite ????
  15. shitovmg
    +2
    4 September 2013 08: 49
    Kremlin, there is no alternative! The rest is regional characters.
    1. Quiet
      +1
      4 September 2013 10: 03
      The organizers of the competition pursued one goal, to continue to rock the situation inside Russia !!! - To quarrel over a stupid, stupid project of people of different faiths !! East to West, North to South !!! ... No need to go for this "soap". You can slip great !!!
      1. +3
        4 September 2013 10: 48
        The organizers wanted to cut the dough and they succeeded. But there is no need to rock the situation - and so it’s been clear for a long time — the government is conducting a disastrous national and economic policy within the country.
  16. +5
    4 September 2013 08: 52
    It seems to me that religious symbols (such as a mosque) are not entirely correct to exhibit in such a vote. The symbol should not be religiously motivated, as well as ethnic, political, etc. The symbol should unite people, and not disconnect on any basis.
    1. GDP
      +5
      4 September 2013 09: 07
      Motherland, Kizhi, the temple complex in Rostov the Great, Winter Palace .... - This is only if we talk about architecture. If we talk about watered correctness - then motherland - an ideal and unicultural symbol of perseverance and victories of our people ...
      1. 0
        5 September 2013 06: 52
        Quote: GDP
        then Motherland is a non-cultural symbol of perseverance and victories of our people ...

        What does it mean?
  17. +9
    4 September 2013 08: 52
    I'll go and put on red moccasins, a green cap and explain to the visitors that they are GUESTS here! ahhh, I forgot, you have to switch to "wai! on x ..."
    py.s. I’ll dump it for an hour (here somewhere the sons of the mountains are nearby (who are proud of the crowd, but Odyn immediately-shave, shave ...)
  18. Valery Neonov
    +5
    4 September 2013 08: 53
    How could a mosque fit into the competition "Symbol of Russia" request , and even in leading positions ... winked.
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  20. Kadet_KRAK
    +5
    4 September 2013 08: 56
    I do not think that Kadyrov is so dumb to get involved in such an adventure. The final goal of the competition is immediately clear - inciting ethnic hatred between Russians and Chechens, because each nationality has its own monuments, and one to choose so that it never works out for everyone. Provocation of pure water. It fits very well into the chronology of recent events - a permanent war between security forces and bandit formations in the Caucasus, and now in the information field, but on what scale.
    1. 0
      4 September 2013 11: 27
      Quote: Kadet_KRAK
      I don’t think Kadyrov is so dumb
      - stupid, believe me.
  21. +2
    4 September 2013 08: 57
    Get ready, soon there will be a new president in Russia who lays down on everyone and everything. And he will be a symbol of Russia (and judging by his actions and statements, he is already the `` owner '' since no one can put him in his place or does not want to)
    1. Hel
      +2
      4 September 2013 09: 38
      But what is prepared then? Doesn’t it lay right now? And why will it be a symbol? Our president is already a symbol of Russia, at least for the West for sure.
  22. 12061973
    +6
    4 September 2013 08: 59
    if mobile operators return money for SMS to Chechens, then let them return it to all voters. In the Russian Federation, even the competition of attractions is politicized with a nat-religious bias.
  23. stroporez
    +7
    4 September 2013 09: 04
    I think Russia has three characters ---------- a farmer, a soldier and a woman .........
  24. ReifA
    +37
    4 September 2013 09: 08
    IMHO Motherland is most suitable. Russia cannot be defeated or broken! (Which has been tried many times over many centuries)
    1. Dober
      +17
      4 September 2013 11: 53
      Quote: ReifA
      Motherland is most suitable.

      This is like a symbol of Russia.
      And here you have a vote SYMBOL OF EUROPE!
      And then it seems to me that many began to forget here ...
      I must remind ...
  25. +5
    4 September 2013 09: 10
    Good A completely opaque contest! Everyone is not lazy to vote, as I understand it, not even citizens of the Russian Federation! The fact that they poured 10 SMS messages from 1 number it was immediately possible to stop the contest at once. The symbol of the Russian Federation is the Kremlin, as was correctly noted! and all other speculations on the theme of symbolism are ambition.
  26. Vrungel78
    +6
    4 September 2013 09: 11
    When the dog has nothing to do, she starts licking eggs. Why is this contest needed at all? Previously, I naively believed tourism development for the sake of. Now I believe that someone looted loot. Moreover, another ethnic conflict is brewing.
  27. +4
    4 September 2013 09: 16
    The symbol of Russia is a peasant plowing in the field, he is also a warrior, when necessary. From it everything began.
  28. ed65b
    +22
    4 September 2013 09: 18
    Monuments should be removed from the vote altogether. only natural nuggets and unique places. What about the mosque? I feel like a mosque will collapse soon; it’s possible to shoot from a large one from far away, if this all goes on. And there will be no third terrible restoration; there will be no one to restore. All under the knife. tattered.
    1. +4
      4 September 2013 09: 30
      What you are not politically correct today, even cartridges are yellowing.
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    2. sashka
      0
      4 September 2013 10: 08
      Quote: ed65b
      And there will be no third terrible restoration; there will be no one to restore. All under the knife. tattered.

      Ek, how did you incur .. At such a rate, maternal capital will not be canceled, but it will have to be increased ..
      1. ed65b
        +9
        4 September 2013 10: 27
        Yes, these Vainakhs are sick of it. They went down from the mountains for salt, but they forgot the way back. I need to show them.
        1. Dober
          +1
          4 September 2013 11: 57
          Quote: ed65b
          They went down from the mountains for salt, but they forgot the way back. I need to show them.

          What kind of strange country is Russia?
          She conquers everyone and these "all" stay here.
        2. +1
          4 September 2013 12: 24
          any question must be resolved completely and irrevocably, I support.
          1. tverskoi77
            0
            4 September 2013 16: 17
            any issue must be resolved completely and irrevocably, I support

            I join!
          2. +2
            4 September 2013 17: 02
            Operation Lentil would be a good tool for a democratic solution to the issue, only with deportation not to Wed Asia, but preferably to America !!!
  29. +12
    4 September 2013 09: 26
    Each has its own symbol of Russia. I have it - the embankment of Vladivostok, the submarine S-56. And also a monument to Erofei Khabarov in Khabarovsk. Moscow Kremlin and the Bronze Horseman. And to argue because of this there is no point - what pleases, then the symbol.
    1. 0
      4 September 2013 16: 25
      Quote: MuadDib
      Each has its own symbol of Russia.

      Everything is correct. Each has its own. I have this oak, which my great-grandfather planted in front of his house and which is already over 120 years old. By the way, in our family there is a tradition when I left my parents for a long time, always planted a tree under their windows.
  30. waisson
    +3
    4 September 2013 09: 31
    We wanted the best, but it turned out as always
  31. ttttt
    +17
    4 September 2013 09: 32
    Well, in general, Kadyrov showed his true face (animal grin) of the "statist" of Russia. And there is no need to harbor illusions about him and his defenders at the heights of power. In the deck of Illuminati cards, if anyone in the course, published back in 1985, his card is present, which means it will be played. The competition itself is a grandiose multi-stage provocation, the result of which may be the orientation of the Chechens to disrupt the Olympics in Sochi, and, in the long term, to the 3rd Chechen war by 2014-2015, in response to the intensely fomented 3rd World War. In general, the mosque is good, let it be in vain that they built it, but I emphasize that the Russian governor-general must rule in the Russian fortress city of Grozny and Chechnya, the border with the castle, all weapons from the local natives must be withdrawn, all the diasporas (Lord, word then what? ...) send to the place of historical residence.
    1. +7
      4 September 2013 11: 03
      Quote: tttttt
      Kadyrov showed his true face

      Was he hiding it? Maybe when he killed Russian soldiers? And even if he put on a mask in the form of a "hero of Russia", it’s not himself. All questions to those who thanked him in this way.
      Quote: tttttt
      all diasporas (Lord, what is the word? ...)

      It used to be called an organized crime group based on nationality. And now, you see, diasporas ... They are considered, negotiated with and often make concessions to the detriment of law and justice. And again: to whom are these questions?
    2. 12061973
      +2
      4 September 2013 12: 28
      Quote: tttttt
      but I emphasize that I must manage in the Russian fortress city of Grozny and Chechnya the Russian governor-general, the border to the castle, all weapons from local natives should be removed, all diasporas (God, what word? ...) should be sent to the place of historical residence.

      if, because of the contest they’ll hysteria, then what will happen if the head becomes Russian I don’t even know.
    3. Quiet
      +3
      4 September 2013 17: 04
      Not long he had to rule ... (hunch) ... am
  32. +8
    4 September 2013 09: 40
    I think the vote is right. It corresponds to time. A new building built on budget money with poverty of the main part of the population is the image of modern Russia. And the rigging of the voting results under the party line is also modern Russia.
    The image of Russia is of course the Kremlin and St. Basil's Cathedral. In all disaster films they are shown. Paris Eiffel Tower. In short, the question was not posed correctly in the survey, and this is the answer.
  33. Hel
    -1
    4 September 2013 09: 42
    C'mon, the dispute is about nothing. The chief accountant will figure it out as it should and (I have already written about this somewhere in the posts again) will win what the GDP indicates.
  34. +7
    4 September 2013 09: 49
    Holes believes that if the Russian colonial government pays tribute to him, then the whole Russian people are also not opposed to pay tribute to him. Therefore, he does what he wants, personally will run into mobile operators and use forgery

    This whole story eloquently shows the situation in relations between Russia and Chechnya. Not for nothing, many Russian experts say that a third Chechen is just around the corner if Syria falls. Even if the states do not bomb Syria in the Middle Ages, the third Chechen all the same will happen only later
    1. Warrawar
      0
      4 September 2013 11: 28
      Quote: LetterKsi
      Not for nothing, many Russian experts say that the third Chechen is just around the corner,

      Well, fine. It is better to resolve this issue once and for all than endlessly in limbo half-war.
  35. +1
    4 September 2013 09: 50
    Quote: Hel
    C'mon, the dispute is about nothing. The chief accountant will figure it out as it should and (I have already written about this somewhere in the posts again) will win what the GDP indicates.

    Aha Putin doesn’t sleep straight thinking about this contest ..
    1. +6
      4 September 2013 10: 53
      Not at all! In my opinion, he sleeps all the time, as far as national politics inside the country is concerned. And the dream of reason, as they say, gives rise to monsters.
  36. +1
    4 September 2013 09: 51
    Quote:
    "Apparently, due to the scandal in the competition, all candidates will have to withdraw from the vote, and the organizers will have to award the victory to the sculpture of a Chinese mobile phone, which must be urgently laid exactly in the middle between Moscow and Grozny ..."

    This is alarming that China may become an arbiter between the Orthodox and Islamic cultures.
    1. 0
      4 September 2013 18: 10
      I apologize for the individual, minusanul accidentally.
      1. 0
        4 September 2013 18: 40
        "Everything happens in our life ..."
  37. +10
    4 September 2013 10: 00
    Another scam. Ostap Bender did not even dream of such methods of legal withdrawal of money from citizens.
    1. +5
      4 September 2013 10: 16
      Quote: PPO-1980
      Another scam. Ostap Bender did not even dream of such methods of legal withdrawal of money from citizens.

      Cellular operators were scalded to snot during this competition. Most likely, they are the initiators of such contests and polls. And those who lobbied and promoted this "event" at the government level, either have their share in the LLC, or simply received a sensible "kickback".
  38. +5
    4 September 2013 10: 01
    But do not you think, friends, that this contest was made by experts to add disputes, anger and accusations?
  39. +1
    4 September 2013 10: 02
    Perhaps the organizers of the competition should have expanded the concept of "RUSSIA-10". And not get hung up on the material, tangible component of this competition. Turn to the main symbol of the People of our Country, to its moral qualities. To the best of these qualities. At least such an attempt could help, or try to help, the spiritual unity of the Citizens of Russia, and not pour out into another srach.IMHO.
  40. +2
    4 September 2013 10: 03
    Quote: Mitek
    Quote: Civil
    I have not seen such a failure in the national consciousness, if Kadyrov spoke for the Russians, and all those involved except money in the project did not see ...

    The competition was originally idiotic. In Russia, the symbol is one-KREMLIN. Whether someone likes it or not, it’s the only real symbol of the country. Everything else is nothing more than regional attractions.

    Her, in my opinion a symbol of the country Motherland. This is a symbol.
  41. +1
    4 September 2013 10: 08
    Very pragmatic article. So much shit in the country has become, horror is simple, but even worse that there have become catastrophically many people who are irresponsible, that this is taken at face value.
  42. Nitup
    -5
    4 September 2013 10: 09
    The site, like, is military, but in pursuit of profit what topics do not pop here
  43. andru_007
    +6
    4 September 2013 10: 09
    Quote: Igor39
    And what would be cool in 145 million Russia, where there are 100 million Russians, the symbol would be a mosque in Grozny, where a Chechen lives no more than a million, this would reflect how really Russians love the Caucasus.

    I understand Ramzan Kadyrov's desire to make a mosque named after his father a symbol of Russia (well, a worthy desire). But I personally (I think I'm not alone) did not like the way he was trying to achieve it - he used an administrative resource. As I understand it, the backbone of those who voted for "Heart of Chechnya" were civil servants who voted "on the go." I doubt that the people neatly assembled in assembly halls and at stadiums were so imbued with patriotism that they sent hundreds of SMS, withdrawing not extra money from the family budget (remember, SMS is a paid thing). I think that this process was sufficiently funded (here, by the way, the question arises from what source).
    But Ramzan did not take into account that the Russians, in spite of their global nonsense, would perceive such a progress, and I would even say the imposition (with all due respect to the Chechens) as a challenge. And in a single impulse they will make a symbol of Russia, little known before this vote (oddly enough), but the Kolomna Kremlin will be its symbol.
    Personally, the fact that in this situation the Russians were able to unite, answer the challenge, and most importantly win, is very pleasing.
    With victory, dear comrades, brothers and sisters!
    Z.Y. By the way, if my version that Kadyrov pro funded SMS voting is correct, then his chagrin is understandable. It's not nice to invest millions and lose. Once again I repeat, it would not be superfluous to track the source of financing, perhaps this is budget money.
    Z.Z.Y. Yes, the behavior of Ramzan after the vote does not paint him as a politician ...
    1. +1
      4 September 2013 11: 05
      What is worthy of the fact that, using his position, he is trying to glorify and perpetuate his father by building monuments to him with state money?
    2. +4
      4 September 2013 13: 21
      Incidentally, he began his political career with Sh. Basayev’s gang, where he boasted that he killed the first Russian at the age of 16.
  44. Warrawar
    +6
    4 September 2013 10: 10
    The competition was initially stupid and vulgar. Who generally gave the right to some TV channel to hold a competition called "10 symbols of Russia" ... who are they in general to take upon themselves the right to define the symbols of Russia? We would hold a competition called "10 symbols of the All-Russian State Television and Radio Broadcasting Company" and no one would say a word.
    Well, the definition of "symbols" in general you can’t imagine - you can vote 3 times a day, from one IP. At the same time, using a simple operation with clearing the cache, you can vote an unlimited number of times. And besides this, there is still an SMS voting, which can be used 30 times a day. And what then is the very meaning of voting ?? Who will win more votes? Well, this is what the "compatriots" from the Chechen Republic are actually doing, and at the level of the republican government, since they have nothing else to do, except to wind up votes for "their" symbols and impose them on us. And the funny thing is that they do it for our money, which flows into Chechnya like a river, in the form of subsidies. So get the "symbols" of Russia in the form of mosques ...
  45. 0
    4 September 2013 10: 11
    I think that the mosque was put up to please Kadyrov, his ministers-lovers. In Chechnya there are more worthy symbols - at least tribal towers.
    1. Dober
      +1
      4 September 2013 12: 03
      Quote: fleet
      Chechnya has more worthy symbols - at least tribal towers.

      Or Generic ZINDANS?
      Maybe someone has survived ... And who wants to build new ones.
      Already not in the territory of Chichka ...
  46. +9
    4 September 2013 10: 11
    I believe that the contest perfectly demonstrated contemporary Russian reality - in an enormous country with its history and culture, an unknown 90% of the country's population fights a mega-mosque built in a rebellious specific princedom (where the rest of the country is considered enemies) fights for the first place. budget money and with the hot support of the local prince, whose whole power is held up with bayonets.
  47. pahom54
    +4
    4 September 2013 10: 11
    Quote: Mitek
    In Russia, the symbol is one-KREMLIN. Whether someone likes it or not, it’s the only real symbol of the country.

    And this is the only right thing, and this symbol has been fanned for centuries, both by positive and negative symbols of the history of Russia. And, at least, for those who consider themselves a CITIZEN OF RUSSIA, he is not humiliating in the national sense, just THIS IS THE SYMBOL OF RUSSIA ...
    But about everything else, I can only say one thing: SHAME. I am ashamed of the organizers of this competition, who did not think up the possibility of such a political, civil and MORAL scandal. What a share of immorality it is necessary to possess in order to offer the remake of the Grozny mosque to be counted as the heart and symbol of Russia! It's a shame !!! It’s a shame even for the fact that this could happen, a shame for the fact that in all seriousness it is said that MILLIONS have voted for this option !!! What are millions ???
    1. ded10041948
      0
      10 September 2013 10: 55
      Not any?". and "whose?" Our taxes with you, directed to Ramzan, so that the boy could continue to "bull".
  48. niksup
    +1
    4 September 2013 10: 13
    It was necessary to make a vote through public services, for example, so that there was no vote wrapping. But to put up religious objects for voting is, of course, not the best idea. But the operators raised money.
  49. +3
    4 September 2013 10: 14
    The competition, at first glance, has a patriotic focus, and thanks to him, Russians should be able to express their opinion ...
    The frayer's greed ruined. The sign is patriotic, and the goals are low. It has long been clear that voting on the basis of paid SMS - very remotely reflect public opinion. Moreover, it was possible to vote from the 1st phone 3 times a day. If you already decided to vote by SMS voting, then you had to do:
    1. SMS voting is free so that even senior citizens can vote.
    2. from one number only 1 sms.
    Then it would be less objective, but even then not 100%.
  50. +13
    4 September 2013 10: 17
    Quote: Basileus
    But what, Chechnya-not Russia?) Smacks of separatism)

    I personally do not care what it smells like. Chechnya is not Russia. dot.
    PS and in the last "competition" voted for I.V. Stalin.
    1. +2
      4 September 2013 11: 15
      Quote: RBLip
      Chechnya is not Russia. Dot.

      Well, why ... Grozny is a primordially Russian city founded by a Russian governor general. The question is not in the territory. And not even so much in the population that lives on this earth (they lived like that under the USSR and did not buzz).
    2. +2
      4 September 2013 18: 14
      quote: I personally do not care what it smacks of. Chechnya is not Russia. dot.

      The Chechen Republic as part of Russia. And do not scatter territories, you are our patriot!
  51. MG42
    0
    4 September 2013 10: 18
    The offended Kadyrov said in one of his blogs that the providers Megafon and VimpelCom did not take into account, quote: millions of SMS votes. At the same time, Ramzan Kadyrov is sure that mobile operators withdrew money in all voting cases. For such an offense, the President of Chechnya decided to punish the mentioned operators, replacing them in Chechnya with the “homegrown” Vainakh Telecom.

    From all this it is clear that mobile operators raked in the money, the competition did not take place, I wonder how much 1 SMS cost?
    And who will get away from them?
  52. +1
    4 September 2013 10: 28
    The competition, at first glance, has a patriotic orientation, and thanks to it, Russians should have the opportunity to express their opinion about which symbol corresponds to Russia
    I don’t see any patriotic goals at first or second glance
    It’s not clear on what basis the objects were chosen, and this is not only about the Chechen mosque (which could have made the Curonian Spit a symbol of Russia, etc.)
    and how can you choose a true symbol if one person can cast at least a hundred votes, the main thing is to pay?!!!
  53. +4
    4 September 2013 10: 31
    Are you laughing? Russia is an Orthodox country, 90% of Russians live here, of course Russia is officially a secular state, but this clause of the constitution will not erase the history and culture of Russia, which is all composed of Orthodox values. As Kuraev said, “the equality of religions before the law does not mean their equality before the culture and history of Russia.” And the symbol of Russia will never be a mosque, this is nonsense, of course there are no 1,2,3, 10, XNUMX seats, there are the top ten leaders, but society without a clear national idea looks at it differently, for us this voting reveals a choice, a national choice. The proceeds will go to the construction of an architectural reserve in Moscow, where the first XNUMX characters will be presented in miniature, this is the popularization of our national treasures, and the operators will also get a piece. Ask young people on the street what they would like to see more, the Statue of Liberty or the statue of the Motherland, the answer is obvious. We need to show that in Russia we also have places where you can go!
    1. Warrawar
      -2
      4 September 2013 10: 44
      Quote: Cormorants
      . And the mosque will never be a symbol of Russia, this is nonsense, of course there are no 1,2,3 places, there are the top ten leaders

      You'll see, in the top 10 "characters" there won't be a single Russian object, and why read below.
    2. Dober
      -1
      4 September 2013 12: 14
      Quote: Cormorants
      Ask young people on the street what they would like to see more, the Statue of Liberty or the statue of the Motherland, the answer is obvious.


      Of course it's obvious. And he will be like this -
      1


      PS. Who doesn't know? This pin in the body of the Earth is the Gazprom Tower...
      1. -2
        5 September 2013 01: 13
        Quote: Dober
        PS. Who doesn't know? This pin in the body of the Earth is the Gazprom Tower...

        This “pin” stands on the foundation, and does not go deep into the earth, so your passage about “in the body of the earth” is missing the point.
        1. Dober
          0
          5 September 2013 01: 45
          Quote: Setrac
          the passage about “in the body of the earth” past the cash register.

          It is also acceptable to change it to something else.
          For example, would “thorn in the eye” be suitable?
          1. +1
            5 September 2013 07: 08
            Quote: Dober
            For example, would “thorn in the eye” be suitable?

            I heard somewhere “Gazprom corn”
          2. 0
            5 September 2013 16: 31
            Quote: Dober
            omitted and change it to something else.

            You can change it, but the “sediment” will remain.
  54. Warrawar
    +7
    4 September 2013 10: 40
    By the way, those who don’t know, but this ill-fated competition is not over yet, but on the contrary is in the hottest stage...now the “final” is underway, during which those same “10 characters” will be determined.
    Only in the finals the rules are slightly different... previously a vote was given for one object, but now for 5 at once (which are chosen from 30 who made it to the finals).
    Now I’ll tell you what tactics the Chechens use to vote: They vote for 2 mosques, for the Dagestan ruins and “Vovnushki” and in addition, with a fifth vote they put a neutral symbol “at the moment this is sandstone-“Curonian Spit”). But their main goal is to knock out “ 10 symbols of Russia" are all Russian objects (especially Orthodox), so after they get a large number of votes, they will stop putting the "Curonian Spit" as the fifth vote and will start voting for another "neutral" object (for example, Baikal). In this way they will withdraw from the list are absolutely all Russian objects, and the “10 symbols of Russia” will look like this:
    1 Chechen mosque
    2 Tatar mosque
    3 Dagestan ruins
    4 Baikal
    5 Curonian Spit
    6 Vovnushki
    7 Volcano Tyatya
    8 Amur pillars
    9 Geysers
    10 Kungur Cave
    And why is this “competition” being held? By order of the president, a “mini Russian Federation” landscape park will be set up in the Moscow region and the winning 10 “symbols” will be placed in it in miniature. So, I can congratulate everyone on the “symbols” of Russia in the form of 2 mosques, comfortably located against the backdrop of natural attractions..
    1. +3
      4 September 2013 10: 51
      If you consider that voting in Chechnya is carried out for money that Allah gave (possibly even in the form of personal bonuses for Beeline and Megafon), and for original Russian historical landmarks they vote from their wallets, those who are not indifferent to this competition, then perhaps you are right
    2. Dober
      +2
      4 September 2013 12: 20
      Quote: Warrawar
      congratulate everyone on the “symbols” of Russia in the form of 2 mosques, comfortably located against the backdrop of natural attractions.

      Cool, they beat me... good
      I have been talking about this for a long time.
      And all for the sake of tolerance, multiculturalism, internationalism...

      What was still missing was a miniature mausoleum-ziggurat. It’s better to immediately start making (for now a model) the Temple of King Solomon...
      1. 0
        5 September 2013 03: 46
        good night Dober hi I'm sorry I didn't recognize your name
        Are you also having trouble sleeping at first, or do you just have a different time zone there))?

        Do you remember I wrote to you about the fabricated vote about Stalin mentioned in the article, I followed the Internet vote, he was ahead of all the opponents there with a dashing vengeance, and of course, the server was immediately attacked by hackers)) we don’t have it any other way))) AND HERE IS THE SAME RAKE AGAIN!!!

        Due to the fact that during the day from 12:00 on August 29 to 12:00 on August 30, the Russia 10 project received slightly less than 50.000.000 votes, that is, almost a third of all votes received during the 6 months of the project, and Also, due to the wide public outcry surrounding the results of the second round, the project management decided to conduct a technical audit of the received voting data in order to fully identify possible technical errors, computer cheating at the semi-final stage, as well as to prevent the influence of such factors on the course of the final.10russia.ru /‎


        ha ha ha, this reminds me of something)) the organizers, frightened by the voting results, took a timeout, now they will probably spend 7 days thinking about how to get out of the situation))
        so yes, about the mosque, most likely you are right, at least one of them will definitely be included in the list, it’s just that everything has already gone too far, and it will be difficult to cancel everything))!! By the way, I voted for Boykal (have you ever been to the most beautiful place on earth?) and of course for the Motherland!!
        1. Dober
          0
          5 September 2013 12: 35
          Greetings, Dima!!!
          About the name. Some people on the site call by name, for example “shpuntik”. You'll meet again. You can also read my profile. There is a certain “puzzle” element there that is not at all complicated.
          The time zone is different, Berlin time is -2 hours from Moscow. So yesterday your post “didn’t wait” went to bed.
          Regarding voting, he seems to have said everything. The food is bad. This says it all both in terms of conditions and functionality.
          The “Motherland” monument is of course a very emotionally strong “weight”. We went there for the first time as a child - I was simply dumbfounded. and This monument and the entire ensemble. It has a powerful effect. But this is ts. special cases that resonate with some moments in the history of Russia and the USSR. Moments that are heroic and tragic at the same time. But Russia wasn’t always “calling for a fight.” There was the conquest of space and breakthroughs in science, starting with Lomonosov, and the annexation of Siberia/the north/the Far East. There were also victories of Peter, Catherine, Alexander. There were also achievements of the USSR. How to reflect these milestones...
          Therefore, I repeat - the competition is not only harmful, it is MEANINGLESS!!! In Russia
          I was in Berlin, in Treptower Park. There is a famous monument to the Soldier-Liberator. But there is one nearby -
          You can stand in front of it for a long time. Especially not to European scumbags, but to those whose country was trodden by Hitler’s boots, who were taught from school to adequately respond to war. Wherever and with whom it was carried out. Here...
  55. +14
    4 September 2013 10: 40
    ...is it possible in a multinational and multi-religious country to choose one single symbol to represent this country?

    Pfft! Easily! Only he had to be appointed, not chosen. But these people have no brains, only connections and relatives, so they cannot think.
    This is perfect for everyone! (c)
    This is the first time I’ve heard about the Kolomna Kremlin, the mosque doesn’t touch me in any way, but I remember the Motherland from childhood.
  56. Yarosvet
    +12
    4 September 2013 10: 45
    I don’t know who started this bad thing, but the fact that the mosque could not win was clear from the very beginning - the balance in terms of ethnic and cultural components is not the same.

    But the voting for the mosque was incredibly active, and Ramzanchik suddenly became indignant, and only after the mosque went around the Kremlin - this leads to the conclusion that comrades paid for by Kadyrov voted for the mosque, hence the demand for the money back laughing
  57. Mitiai
    +1
    4 September 2013 10: 45
    Yes, in general the competition is kind of moronic, neither the 1st nor the 2nd contender are symbols of Russia. as Chernomyrdin said, they wanted the best, but it turned out as always. Another incitement of ethnic hatred. I have a feeling that either the enemies invented this competition or they are impenetrable.
  58. +9
    4 September 2013 10: 59
    Offended Kadyrov

    wassat
    To be honest, voting should be carried out on the principle of "one person - one vote." But Kadyrov demonstrated that he has no honor.
  59. tverskoi77
    +2
    4 September 2013 11: 05
    This competition confirms that people with different levels of development and cultural values ​​cannot live in one house.
  60. Powder donut
    -3
    4 September 2013 11: 08
    Oddly enough, I feel sorry for the Chechens, they were “lucky” with Ramzan...
    1. Warrawar
      +6
      4 September 2013 11: 14
      Quote: DonutPowder
      Oddly enough, I feel sorry for the Chechens, they were “lucky” with Ramzan...

      Why is it a pity? Every first person there is like Ramzan.
  61. 0
    4 September 2013 11: 40
    All these competitions are necessary for the authorities in order to distract the population from the protest movement.
  62. +5
    4 September 2013 11: 41
    Quote: Ribwort
    And not even so much in the population that lives on this land

    But what about this?
    M. Yu. Lermontov:
    ...The Terek flows over the stones,
    The muddy ramparts;
    Angry Chechen crawling to the shore
    Sharpen his dagger;
  63. yan
    +3
    4 September 2013 11: 41
    the symbol and heart of Russia in sorrow and joy is the Moscow Kremlin.
  64. +1
    4 September 2013 11: 43
    Daniil Sidorov
    © ComNews
    02.09.2013
    http://www.comnews.ru/node/76576

    The head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, said that residents of the region “do not intend to feed” MegaFon and Beeline and are switching to the local operator Vainakh Telecom, which, coincidentally, launched the LTE network into commercial operation last week. Due to security threats, the VimpelCom company (Beeline trademark) closed its offices in Chechnya for several hours on Saturday.
    “Today Vainakh Telecom has become the operator for many thousands of residents of Chechnya! A beautiful name, it sounds beautiful! And we are confident that it will reliably provide us with a stable connection,” Ramzan Kadyrov wrote on Friday in his Instagram photo blog. “ We do not intend to continue feeding MegaFon and Beeline.
    Ramzan Kadyrov's speech was caused by the fact that according to the results of the second stage of the Russia 10 competition, the Heart of Chechnya mosque he built took only second place in the list of symbols of the country, behind the Kolomna Kremlin. Previously, the Muslim temple in Grozny confidently led in the all-Russian vote.
    According to the head of Chechnya, the outcome of the competition was changed by fraud organized by the mobile operators MegaFon and VimpelCom. The companies claim that they worked as normal, and the delay in receiving votes was caused by the low performance of the content provider’s equipment. The coordinator of the Russia 10 project, Vlad Nikolaev, acknowledged the failure and promised to process the lost votes, but called a revision of the results of the second stage unlikely.
    Ramzan Kadyrov was not satisfied with such explanations. Over the course of Friday, he took several decisive steps at once. At first, he promised to send allegations of fraud to the Prosecutor General’s Office and the Investigative Committee. Then he demanded that the operators and the organizer of the competition, the Russian Geographical Society, return the money spent by residents of the region on SMS as part of voting for the “Heart of Chechnya”. And finally, he withdrew the mosque from the list of competitors.
    Protesting against the results of the competition, on Saturday a group of young people threw eggs at one of the VimpelCom offices in Grozny. Immediately after this, the operator closed all branches in Chechnya, fearing for the safety of clients and staff (MegaFon offices were operating as normal). However, within a few hours, VimpelCom branches in the republic resumed work.
    1. Warrawar
      +5
      4 September 2013 11: 49
      Quote: 787nkx
      The head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, said that residents of the region “do not intend to feed” MegaFon and Beeline and are switching to the local operator Vainakh Telecom, which, coincidentally, launched the LTE network into commercial operation last week.

      By the way, the FAS should be puzzled by this issue. The organization of a monopoly is evident, and even with the use of official position and abuse of authority. It's time to end life according to the villages' standards.
    2. +4
      4 September 2013 12: 55
      And Allah also poured money into “Vainakh-Telecom”! One can only bitterly regret the short-sightedness of the authorities, flirting with completely insolent bandits. The situation with this development of events will only worsen and in the end there will be only one way out - the main operator "donkey on foot" and instead of Grozny - one large avenue named after. General Ermolov. But you can live in normal relationships, but this seems to be very bad for someone.
    3. ded10041948
      +1
      4 September 2013 19: 33
      “Ramzan Kadyrov was not satisfied with such explanations. During Friday, he took several decisive steps at once. At first, he promised to send allegations of fraud to the Prosecutor General’s Office and the Investigative Committee. Then he demanded that the operators and the organizer of the competition, the Russian Geographical Society, return the money spent by residents of the region on SMS as part of the voting for "Heart of Chechnya". And finally, I withdrew the mosque from the list of competitors."
      It would be better if he sent an explanation about the money allocated to the region, describing in detail (with supporting documents) where each ruble was spent!
  65. +1
    4 September 2013 11: 45
    "The Name of Russia" - dear Leonid Ilyich :-)
    "Heart of Russia" - Red Square...
    1. Dober
      -8
      4 September 2013 12: 34
      It’s okay that the “historical” purpose of Red Square is Execution Ground. That is, the place of EXECUTION. And it’s RED not because it’s indescribably beautiful, but because it’s “gore.”
      This is if you take a closer look at the “symbols”.
      [Center]
      1. +4
        4 September 2013 13: 09
        Where does such deep knowledge come from? At the place of execution, first of all, decrees were read out, and the purely Russian “red maiden” is not at all from “gore.” Let you know, in Kuban, all the central streets of almost all settlements are called st. Red is a "bloody region", no better - a "red belt" with evil communist pensioners. Haven't you ever taken the Unified State Exam?
        1. Dober
          0
          4 September 2013 20: 03
          Quote: Tupolev-95
          Have you ever taken the Unified State Exam?

          I didn't take the Unified State Exam.
          And for myself, I divide Red Square into two “concepts”.
          There is a square with Parades (military) with St. Basil's Cathedral, the Historical Museum and the Kremlin towers, on which the symbols of Russia (INCLUDING THE CURRENT) - "IMPERIAL" COATS OF ARMS would be located.
          And there is a vile, ugly, inhumane building with a blank ghoul mummy, which was “trampled” by everyone, from generals of the level of Zhukov to the “anti-Semite” Stalin. There too pannopticon culumbarium, albeit with very worthy people (for example Gagarin), but in general...
          I would really like to bring flowers not to the “company in the wailing wall” on which the names of such geeks as Sverdlov, Mehlis, Lunacharsky, Goltsman, Zetkin, Countrywoman Rosalia Samoilovna (!!!!!!) etc., and TO PEOPLE who have done a lot for Russia - Keldysh, Kurchatov, Korolev, Khrunichev, Govorov, Rokosovsky, etc....

          So which "SYMBOL" do you like best?
          1. +2
            4 September 2013 21: 00
            How many times have I been on Red Square, I’ve never gone to the mausoleum (for some reason I’m not drawn to go there), but whatever one may say, this is our story and you can’t erase the words from the song. Perhaps someday the moment of “revision” will come, but now there are more important things to do .Personally, the first place I always go is to the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier.
            1. Dober
              0
              5 September 2013 04: 55
              "On the square there are The place of execution, a monument to Minin and Pozharsky, the Lenin Mausoleum, next to which is the Necropolis at the Kremlin wall, where figures (mainly political and military) of the Soviet state are buried. To the west of the square is the Moscow Kremlin, to the east - the Upper (GUM) and Middle shopping rows, to the north - the Historical Museum and the Kazan Cathedral, to the south - St. Basil's Cathedral (Pokrovsky Cathedral)."
              /wikipedia/
              Tomb of the Unknown Soldier in the Alexander Garden, in the Kremlin. And I was there a couple of times, and when passing by the “ghoul peel storage” (similar to an air fryer, only square), I was sure to spit in its direction.
              Quote: Tupolev-95
              I never went to the mausoleum (for some reason I’m not drawn to go there)

              And it’s no wonder why the Cossack (presumably) Roman is not drawn there. Here are some explanations -

              nyctos.ru/mavzolei.html...
              Quote -
              In Moscow, the most sacred and honorable place has always been the Kremlin Cathedral Square at the top of Borovitsky Hill with its cathedral-tomb vaults of Russian monarchs and patriarchs. And Muscovites considered Red Square, lying at its foot, to be the bottom of the city, a collector of human and energy waste, an abode of fear and pain, the earthly analogue of the “Fiery Hyena.” These ideas are reflected in its modern name, which symbolizes fire, blood and unbridled lust at the same time.

              Red Square owes its birth to fire, which has become its faithful companion for centuries. At the end of the 1571th century, Ivan III ordered the demolition of the wooden buildings around the Kremlin, which constantly threatened it with fire, and to allocate this place for trade. The square was called Torg. In the XNUMXth century it began to be called Trinity, and after the devastating fire of XNUMX - Pozhar. In documents of the XNUMXth century, the square is called both Pozhar and Krasnaya - in memory of the “red rooster”, who often came from the square to the homes of Muscovites.

              Red Square has long been a place of executions, often mass and always savage. Next to the Spasskaya Tower there was a “torturous” tower, from which the cries and groans of the tortured were heard day and night, pleasing the ears of the people in the square. Near the Zemsky Prikaz they punished with a whip and tore out their nostrils. For centuries, streams and rivers of blood of those tortured and killed flowed across Red Square, flowing into the ditch along the Kremlin wall. /where is the "necropolis" now?/ It was dug for defensive purposes in the 16th century; executed criminals were buried in it and wild animals were kept - during the reign of Ivan the Terrible, lions lived there, and under Alexei Mikhailovich, an elephant.
  66. 0
    4 September 2013 11: 53
    I'm talking about the organizers of the competition. Those who think that they were politically calculating something there and thinking about the consequences of the “fight,” much less preparing a provocation, are most likely mistaken. SMS voting of this kind is organized solely for profit. I’m generally surprised that on the Internet, i.e. you could vote for free (!) (although there are also advertisements, which means money). No, guys, by attributing to the organizers such qualities as the ability to think about the consequences, we flatter them greatly! We exalt their mental abilities. Only money! There was no longer any global idea there. And then the excitement mechanism turns on. I'll vote for my symbol, let them know! I got caught myself - I sent a couple of SMS messages for the Kolomna Kremlin, i.e. and my chervonets ended up in someone’s pocket. And he voted, wailing: “Just not a mosque, just not a mosque.” This was the expectation and it was justified; they stuffed more than one cartoon into their pockets. And when such money drips in, the consequences no longer matter.
  67. Marek Rozny
    +4
    4 September 2013 11: 54
    The Motherland is a symbol not of Russia, but of the entire USSR. This monument can be called Ukrainian, Armenian, and Kyrgyz.
    The author is absolutely right that such an intensity of passion plays into the hands of the competition organizers, this is what brings them the main income - through “indignant and offended” idiots who will send SMS not FOR their preferences, but AGAINST other people’s preferences. 50 million SMS? I'm afraid to imagine how much it is in rubles. A stingy person pays twice, a stupid person pays three times, a sucker pays four times.

    ZY For me, the symbol of Russia is the bridge across the Urals in Orenburg. And the Moscow Kremlin with Red Square.
  68. dmb
    0
    4 September 2013 11: 54
    Since data on the “unfastening” of profits from SMS messages by mobile operators to the Russian Geographical Society and its chairman, as well as the management of the TV channel is currently not publicly available (although it is not excluded), then all this action is fully explained by the phrase of the unforgettable Viktor Stepanovich about “better” and "as always." We were going to organize an ideologically consistent event in the form of building a park in the Moscow region, but we forgot that we live in a state where the principle of happiness lies in personal enrichment is being persistently introduced. Patriotic ideas are in use only when they contribute to the promotion of this principle. Since Allah, in the person of his trusted representatives in the Kremlin, has personally enriched Kadyrov quite a lot, the latter can easily afford to spend money in this way. Other recipients of grants from the Almighty cannot yet afford this, because most likely they are afraid, well How can they not make it to London? Why Ramzan, he has a beard, there is a trunk, there is a forest nearby. Therefore, such a “kid" is personally very offensive to him.
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  70. +1
    4 September 2013 12: 30
    Let the Accounting Chamber also check whether the officials who traveled from the districts to vote in Grozny for a rally during working hours - working hours - have been issued a warning. If this is an obvious violation, they were not at work at that time and were not fulfilling their duties.
    The culprits are brought to justice.
    The money will be returned to the budget.
  71. zmey_gadukin
    +2
    4 September 2013 12: 34
    VO, I recommend holding your own competition.
    Even though I’m from Ukraine, I would also participate.
    In my opinion, of course the Kremlin. Or the entire Red Square complex. Well, this is my personal opinion...
    But I would like to see a certain collective image in the symbol of Russia, and not some individual monuments, buildings or natural landmarks.
  72. +1
    4 September 2013 13: 07
    Yes, they have disgraced themselves.
    She's still a provocateur.
  73. +2
    4 September 2013 13: 59
    Quote: Dober
    It is RED not because it is indescribably beautiful, but because it is “gore”.

    The first option, Red Square, Red Maiden, Red Sun, and about blood and so on, this is the name from human rights activists :-)
  74. +3
    4 September 2013 14: 34
    A lot of money and administrative resources were wasted in Chechnya... but when they applied their own approach to them... they started snot... not men.
  75. +3
    4 September 2013 14: 55
    Quote: Sergei Medvedev
    But Kadyrov demonstrated that he has no honor.

    Funny. By God it's funny.
    Where exactly does it come from? But is this what we’re talking about, or was someone expecting something different?
    A question for our Ministry of Culture: does it exist at all? - if there is one, are there THINKING people there or do they just eat with their heads? Idiot competitions aimed at vile loot with predictable results in idiocy.
    The Russian people and Russian culture are the cement of Russian society. The symbols must be appropriate.
    Minister of Culture - resign!
  76. Kostya pedestrian
    -2
    4 September 2013 14: 55


    Tell me, who controls patents and scientific developments in Russia?
    Just now I got completely drunk and started studying GLONASS, but the browser didn’t switch to the Russian layout.
    It turns out like glonass, i.e. you can visually recognize the “number 9”, i.e. 123456789 series of numbers (the next one is already ten - or whoever fisherman will understand otherwise), therefore 9 is the last digit (also means the day of the capital of Hitler’s Germany or the 9 kingdoms in Atlantis), and if think, the English alphabet ends with Z
    Who wanted to “opalp-fix” our science, Jeep Es or something? Or did the Mercs scatter eggs of discord?
    PieS: I hope the programmers will understand and will not weed it out as spam - I came across some “unearthly” code, so I’m playing with words, it feels like some kind of magic is pumping out luck from the Russians, and, most importantly, priceless ideas.
  77. +5
    4 September 2013 15: 24
    An idiotic competition, if not a criminal one. I propose another one that will make the organizers rich, “The 10 Best Nationalities of Russia” - perhaps one of the small nationalities of the North will win, sponsored by an oil company or “The Best Religion of Russia” - perhaps the “Jehovah’s Witnesses” will win, sponsored by the world organization “SI” . wassat
  78. malikszh
    -4
    4 September 2013 16: 06
    last days of voting I wanted to vote for the mosque in Chechnya several times, but there was always an error, then I voted for the church, the vote passed.
    1. Warrawar
      +2
      4 September 2013 16: 13
      Quote: malikszh
      last days of voting I wanted to vote for the mosque in Chechnya several times, but there was always an error, then I voted for the church, the vote passed.

      vote in your own country in Kazakhstan, and don’t come to us from over the hill to choose “symbols” for us.
      1. malikszh
        -2
        4 September 2013 16: 55
        here some write with the Chinese flag and the Azeri flag, tell them that too NUB
        1. Warrawar
          +1
          4 September 2013 17: 50
          Quote: malikszh
          here some write with the Chinese flag and the Azeri flag, tell them that too NUB

          excuse me, rasian.
    2. 0
      4 September 2013 21: 06
      Don’t whistle, you can’t vote from across the hill - I tried from Armenia.
  79. +2
    4 September 2013 17: 57
    The competition showed that the country is a mess. Chechnya would be better off building factories, at the expense of what (who) is it going to maintain all the beauty it has built...Why is the “Kremlin” silent???? There, they don’t understand that the rope is not eternal...it will break anyway...And then what...everyone knows.
    1. 0
      4 September 2013 21: 12
      Don’t be ridiculous, who will work in those factories?
  80. 0
    4 September 2013 18: 29
    We wanted to use the example of this competition to show the unity of the Russian people, but revealed their diversity and opposition to themselves. As long as Russia remains a federation: there will be republics and autonomies, as well as nationalities whose history is in opposition to the Russian fundamental people (Chechens, Dagestanis...) - the “Russian people” will never have final and complete features and characteristics!
  81. 0
    4 September 2013 18: 50
    Here, as always, the media has muddied the topic, and all of Russia is being washed away.
  82. Troy
    +3
    4 September 2013 19: 03
    The competition is idiotic - but what did it show? And he showed that there can be no talk of any kind of tolerance in Russia. I hope that the authorities will understand this in the end. A Chechen will never become my Russian brother. Because he is Chechen, and I am Russian and I have a good memory. And what I remember, I pass on to my daughter, who will definitely never marry a Muslim, and especially a Caucasian. And let them call me a Nazi, just because I want to leave my blood pure. And the symbol of Russia, as already mentioned, is the COAT OF ARMS, FLAG, ANTHEM!
  83. ded10041948
    +3
    4 September 2013 19: 20
    Ay-ay-ay, the boy is offended! And the fact that the Chechens and other Caucasians behave like winners in a captured city does not interest him? Fuck them, and not the mosque as a symbol of Russia! The bandit-Hero of Russia has completely lost his belt
  84. DZ_98_B
    +2
    4 September 2013 19: 22
    The heart of Russia is RUSSIAN PEOPLE!!!!!! The heart of Russia is us!!! RUSSIAN PEOPLE CREATED RUSSIA!!!! RUSSIAN PEOPLE WILL SAVE IT!!! I will help a lot, for the sake of our RUSSIA!!!!
  85. South
    0
    4 September 2013 19: 50
    to hell with them and not the mosque, we don’t need this table upside down, AND I PLACED ON THEIR ALLAH
    1. ded10041948
      0
      10 September 2013 10: 21
      Don't be rude! Faith must be respected, it is true. And the attitude towards it is formed by its adherents.
  86. +3
    4 September 2013 20: 16
    What the hell is this competition anyway?! It seems like we should unite within the country, but here each region is for itself, for its own symbol, why pit people against each other?! It would be better if they just talked about all these attractions on public TV in prime time, and not zas.i.ra.l.i. people's brains with Malakhovs, Dom-2, and other scandals, intrigues, investigations!!!
  87. +1
    4 September 2013 20: 45
    For some reason, everything is directed to them if you look closely at the split in our society. After all, the name of Russia also ultimately led to what? Mainly to the division of society into sympathizers of Stalin and anti-Stalinists. After all, it seems that after the 90s everything calmed down, no .. competition and again verbal battles on the Internet, the battles, thank God, are not real, not in the vastness of the country, but in the minds of citizens.
    And what did they achieve? Statement of the fact that civil society has not yet ended in society?
  88. AlexP47
    0
    4 September 2013 22: 12
    Quote: Evrepid
    And if we take Arkhangelsk, then the Arkhangelsk Kremlin will be a big symbol for him,


    There is no Kremlin in Arkhangelsk.)))
  89. +2
    4 September 2013 23: 04
    The symbol of Russia is “The Heart of Chechnya” - maybe right (sarcasm). After all, we feed the whole country
  90. +1
    4 September 2013 23: 21
    Imagine that you are communicating with a foreigner through a drawing. To explain where you are from, you need to draw something. What will you draw? Uglich, Kolomna? Arkhangelsk? And there is no need to guess: the Kremlin’s Spasskaya Tower, even if you live thousands of kilometers from Moscow and have never seen this tower. Like it or not, it is a symbol of Russia, just as the Statue of Liberty is a symbol of America, the Eiffel Tower is a symbol of France, Big Ben is a symbol of Great Britain. And everything else is from the evil one.
  91. Kostya pedestrian
    +1
    5 September 2013 02: 01
    This is how the “loho6” are divided below, and the ruler of the pyramid sits and chuckles in his goatee, and that they took away education, installed managers of their subordinates, and “killed” true patriots in Chechen companies and showdowns. They already wanted to give up science. Just Venus is in the house of Uranus, expect an earthquake as astrologers say.

    As my respected Ostap Suleiman Bertha Maria Bender-Bey said, “if horns appear, then there will be hooves”
  92. +3
    5 September 2013 04: 54
    Can you imagine Caucasians voting for an Orthodox shrine? And me too...
  93. 0
    5 September 2013 07: 15
    Quote: Dober
    "Fiery Hyena"

    Cool image, on par with the Hound of the Baskervilles :-)
  94. KononAV
    0
    5 September 2013 07: 44
    Do not be barbarians ahead of all of Russia!
  95. Drosselmeyer
    0
    6 September 2013 02: 22
    People, read Kara-Murza’s book “Manipulation of Consciousness” and you will understand everything about the ongoing influence of the media. Not an advertisement.
  96. LAO
    LAO
    -1
    7 September 2013 16: 26
    To solve the problem, I propose URGENTLY, in the geographical center of Russia, to erect a monument to VLADIMIR VLADIMIROVICH PUTIN and vote for him! YES for Putin or No for Putin and everything will be fine! And if some Kadyrov is against it, let him explain his behavior to a KGB (FSB) investigator for particularly serious (execution) cases. Maybe he will think about his behavior in a maximum security colony...
  97. pahom54
    0
    9 September 2013 14: 48
    Oh...yikes!!!! Just now the news is that the Grozny Mosque and the Kolomna Kremlin have become symbols of Russia ahead of schedule!!! This was admitted by the organizers of this provocative competition, as I see from the Yandex news feed... SHAME ON THE ORGANIZERS OF THE COMPETITION AND THE VOTERS!!!
    1. ded10041948
      0
      9 September 2013 18: 50
      I just read it too. There are no words (what is there will not be missed by the filter!). Like the last prostitute they fell under this bandit.

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