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Smashed contest

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From the very beginning of the Russia-10 competition, which was launched on the initiative of the Russian Geographical Society (President of the Russian Geographical Society - Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu) and the Russia-1 TV channel, the online review Military Observation tried to cover the competition. The competition, at first glance, has a patriotic orientation, and thanks to it, the Russians should be able to express their opinion on which symbol corresponds to Russia. However, it was only at first glance. As the voting proceeded, it turned out that the competition was becoming more and more politicized and was not at all an incentive to search for a symbol, but another stumbling block in interethnic and interfaith sharp dialogues.


Smashed contest


People began to realize that the very idea of ​​the competition initially had a certain internal flaw: can one choose a single symbol in a multinational and multi-religious country, which represents this country? Did the organizers of the Russia-10 contest understand the flaw that ultimately resulted in an all-Russian scandal? It is difficult to admit that they did not understand, because behind the shoulders of the same television channel "Russia" was already in something similar competition "Name of Russia".

In the competition, as many probably remember, it was necessary to vote for one or another historical personalities. And that historical figure, who, according to the results, gained the most votes, became the winner of the competition. It was in 2008, and then there was also a scandal. At one stage of the competition, it turned out that the Russians were voting “wrong” - with a significant margin from the closest “pursuers” Joseph Stalin was in the lead. In addition to him, two Vladimirs were in the top three - Vysotsky and Lenin. It seemed to someone that if Stalin suddenly took and won the “race”, it would provoke either a big scandal or a bad impact on the country's reputation ... Who exactly came to this conclusion - still remains a mystery with seven seals (or maybe , an open secret ...), but in the end, viewers began to remove the following noodles from their ears: the voting failed, a certain group of hackers attacked computers in which votes were accumulated, it was not people, but bots who voted for Stalin ...

After some time, the “Name of Russia” table underwent significant changes: Stalin was turned away from the “politically correct” by no means first positions, but Stolypin, Pushkin and Mendeleev were among the top three. As a result, Alexander Nevsky was awarded the victory in the contest “Name of Russia”, whose name could be called a sort of neutral option, which seemed to suit the majority. After the victory of Nevsky, conversations about the strangeness during the voting in the competition abated somewhat, and eventually disappeared altogether.

And now - five years after the competition to identify the Name of Russia - "Russia" (TV channel) again went on experiments. Apparently, the doubtful experience when taking into account the votes of viewers and Internet users was not taken into account, unless of course the organizers initially set themselves the task of turning the competition into a new scandalous show, warming up the interest from the public to the limit.

During the first round of the Russia-10 competition, the sensation did not smell. At the same time, several architectural and natural monuments of Russia went almost on a par, without disturbing the minds of Russians, who, if they had voted, were clearly in a peaceful and calm manner. The first thunder thundered when it became clear that the authorities of the Chechen Republic decided to win the competition. How can the authorities win? It turned out that they can ... Several publications at once, using eyewitness testimonies, came up with materials telling about how, across all republican ministries, the disputes “from above” dispersed to vote for the mosque in Grozny, which was built recently, and called the “Heart of Chechnya”. As the saying goes, the party said: yes, the Komsomol answered: there is! And the Chechen ministries have been active, “pushing” ordinary Chechens to a multiple vote.

This led to the fact that, with a sufficiently large margin in the Russia-10 competition (recall, in the competition for the title of the main symbol of Russia), the very Grozny mosque, built in the republic in two or more years and opened in the 2008 year, became the leader. After seeing the preliminary results of the competition, many Russians were indignant. The outrage was due not only to the fact that the so-called replica claimed the role of the main symbol of more than thousand years of Russia, but also because the regional authorities decided to intervene in the course of voting, trying to satisfy their own ambitions.

In order to press "Heart of Russia" from the first place in the competition, something unprecedented was undertaken: millions of votes fell from various phones and computers, and the same people voted, as they say, to calluses on the fingers. As a result, it turned out that the Grozny mosque clashed in an SMS battle with the Kolomna Kremlin, built in the first half of the 16-th century. The Kolomna Kremlin after the second round of voting took the lead, which insanely "upset" the leadership of the Chechen Republic. At the same time, the very behavior of the head of the North Caucasian region looks, to put it mildly, strange and similar to the behavior of a non-governmental husband, but rather an offended teenager, and to put it mildly ... Ramzan Kadyrov promised to look into the question of how the Heart Chechnya ”could“ slip ”into second place, and said that it would definitely turn to the Investigation Committee and even deal with mobile operators personally.

Offended, Kadyrov in one of his blogs said that the providers “Megaphone” and “VimpelCom” did not take into account, quote: millions of SMS-votes. At the same time, Ramzan Kadyrov is sure that mobile operators have withdrawn money in all voting cases. For such an offense, the President of Chechnya decided to punish the said operators, replacing them in Chechnya with homegrown Vaynakh Telecom. Apparently, if Chechen residents had voted for the Grozny mosque through Vainakh Telecom initially, the ritual structure in the Chechen capital would have gained more votes than people living on our sinful planet ... And then Kadyrov would definitely not doubt the results of the competition.

It is noteworthy that Ramzan Akhmatovich also said that he was withdrawing “Heart of Chechnya” from voting, as he is disturbed by frauds during the contest. "Removes from the vote," hmm ... Wanted - put in a vote, wanted - took ... What, however, the official has broad powers ...

The counting of votes was dishonest. The results are falsified. This is recognized by the contest organizers themselves, who offer voices that were not taken into account in the second round to add to the results of the third round. We are also unofficially told that it was decided not to allow the occupation of the first place by the Heart of Chechnya mosque. We firmly believe that this does not contribute to the growth of spirituality and national identity of the Russians.
- Kadyrov writes in his blog.

The mobile operators accused by Kadyrov themselves are denied any guilt, stating that all sent SMS were taken into account ...

In general, the contest went along the crooked path and came to such a state that now, perhaps, any of its winners will have a certain scandalous trace thanks to the voting system that was allowed by the organizers of the contest. Apparently, here, too, will have to look for his "Alexander Nevsky" to reassure the public.
Now there is an announcement on the contest website, which says that the big resonance associated with the contest, as well as 50 of millions of SMS messages that came in one day (from 29 to 30 of August), force the organizers to conduct a technical audit. The technical audit time is limited to a week. If someone sends their votes during the audit week, the votes will be taken into account.

It turns out that now the voting is carried out at all blindly, and it is not possible to track its progress and, let's say, the frequency and direction of the recording of text messages.

Did someone expect another? Well, this is the usual voting, which today is enough on the Internet and on television. With us and with other types of voting, not everything is unequivocal, and here it’s naive to feed illusions. Send the number there, I don’t know where to pay so much, I don’t know how much ... And then we’ll let you know the results that seem right to us ... Would the mobile operators be satisfied if the most recognizable sculpture of Russia “Rodina- mother calls "or the same Kolomna Kremlin? This is clearly not compatible with their interests to correct their already extensive budget.

Apparently, because of the scandal in the competition, all candidates will have to withdraw from the vote, and the organizers will be awarded a victory by a sculpture of a Chinese mobile phone, which urgently needs to be laid exactly in the middle between Moscow and Grozny ...
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  1. GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 4 September 2013 07: 48 New
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    The competition, at first glance, has a patriotic orientation, and thanks to it, Russians should be able to express their opinion on which symbol corresponds to Russia. However, this was only at first glance. As the voting progressed, it became clear that the competition was becoming more politicized and not at all becoming an incentive to search for a symbol, but another stumbling block in interethnic and interfaith sharp dialogue.

    And with the first, second, and hundredth glances with the naked eye it can be seen that this is a scam for pumping money. Auction for the sale of characters.


    For such misconduct, the Chechen president decided to punish the mentioned operators, replacing them in Chechnya with the “homegrown” Vainakh Telecom. Apparently, if the Chechen residents voted for the Grozny mosque through Vainakh Telecom initially, the ritual construction in the Chechen capital would have gained more votes than people living on our sinful planet ... And then Kadyrov would have no doubt about the results of the competition.

    Late he caught himself. Not a feeble sum (something around 300 million), which the Chechens had voted on to vote, left Chechnya.


    And they vote really in Komsomol, the whole world, even connected psychological boarding

    1. Civil
      Civil 4 September 2013 08: 10 New
      -26
      I have not seen such a failure in the national consciousness, if Kadyrov spoke for the Russians, and all those involved except money in the project did not see ...
      1. Mitek
        Mitek 4 September 2013 08: 31 New
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        Quote: Civil
        I have not seen such a failure in the national consciousness, if Kadyrov spoke for the Russians, and all those involved except money in the project did not see ...

        The competition was originally idiotic. In Russia, the symbol is one-KREMLIN. Whether someone likes it or not, it’s the only real symbol of the country. Everything else is nothing more than regional attractions.
        1. predator.3
          predator.3 4 September 2013 09: 23 New
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          It was in 2008, and then there was also a scandal. At one stage of the competition, it turned out that the Russians were voting “wrong” - with a significant margin from the closest “pursuers” Joseph Stalin was in the lead.

          I remember this "competition", then many "figures" from the culture pissed boiling water when JV Stalin took the lead!
          A symbol of Russia is the Moscow Kremlin and St. Basil's Cathedral!
          1. old man54
            old man54 4 September 2013 21: 57 New
            +2
            Quote: predator.3
            A symbol of Russia is the Moscow Kremlin and St. Basil's Cathedral!

            Siberia will not vote for this Kremlin, and I think the Far East will not! angry
            1. Semen Semyonitch
              Semen Semyonitch 5 September 2013 04: 34 New
              -2
              Quote: old man54
              Quote: predator.3
              A symbol of Russia is the Moscow Kremlin and St. Basil's Cathedral!

              Siberia will not vote for this Kremlin, and I think the Far East will not! angry

              For ,, heart of Chechnya "vote ... Or for the Chinese wall ...
              1. old man54
                old man54 5 September 2013 21: 20 New
                -3
                Quote: Semen Semenych
                For ,, heart of Chechnya "vote ... Or for the Chinese wall ...

                we ourselves decide to vote for the United States, without clues, and even without them it’s slippery already! bully Let Moscow vote for the hero, whom she idolizes, for example, London's Big Ben! lol
        2. Vadivak
          Vadivak 4 September 2013 09: 44 New
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          Quote: ..
          and the first three included Stolypin, Pushkin and Mendeleev.


          The stump of Mendeleev is clear. The solution is insidious.
          1. aviator_IAS
            aviator_IAS 4 September 2013 10: 44 New
            +9
            and the first three included Stolypin, Pushkin and Mendeleev


            The presence of Stolypin in the first three raises serious doubts. It is painfully ambiguous in his glory in Russia. Especially it began to be promoted not so long ago.
            1. Ribwort
              Ribwort 4 September 2013 11: 05 New
              +3
              Quote: aviator_IAS
              The presence of Stolypin in the first three raises serious doubts.

              Definitely. Recently, Stolypin’s promotion has been exactly the same trend as de-Stalinization. Here are just the result we have the opposite. Our people are patient, but by no means stupid, as the authorities would like. Let them rub off.
            2. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 4 September 2013 14: 05 New
              +2
              Quote: aviator_IAS
              The presence of Stolypin in the first three raises strong doubts

              From afar and without glasses it reads like Stalin. Probably stuck for this purpose.
          2. kush62
            kush62 4 September 2013 17: 58 New
            0
            Quote: ..
            and the first three included Stolypin, Pushkin and Mendeleev.
            Mendeleev’s invention (your solution) is always in the top three.
            1. forester
              forester 4 September 2013 21: 26 New
              +3
              Yes Potemkin for Russia made the most of them all
        3. Warrawar
          Warrawar 4 September 2013 10: 06 New
          0
          Quote: Mitek
          The competition was originally idiotic. In Russia, the symbol is one-KREMLIN. Whether someone likes it or not, it’s the only real symbol of the country. Everything else is nothing more than regional attractions.

          I do not agree. There are many more recognizable characters.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 4 September 2013 11: 02 New
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            Quote: Warrawar
            There are many more recognizable characters.

            for example
            1. Warrawar
              Warrawar 4 September 2013 11: 15 New
              +1
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              for example

              Mother Motherland, Kizhi. No?
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 4 September 2013 11: 21 New
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                Motherland yes, but Kizhi is very doubtful, with the same success Uglich can be called a symbol
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 4 September 2013 14: 09 New
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                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Motherland yes, but Kizhi is very doubtful, with the same success Uglich can be called a symbol

                  Uglich is also a symbol. Everything will change only when we learn to appreciate these symbols, and is proud of them, like the Czechs with their remake.
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 4 September 2013 15: 39 New
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                    we confuse concepts
                    1. Evrepid
                      Evrepid 4 September 2013 17: 30 New
                      +6
                      Not without it. Here we take, for example, the average resident of Stavropol, do you think Uglich is a symbol for him? And if we take the Arkhangelogorodets, for him the Arkhangelsk Kremlin will be a great symbol, for the Astrakhan the Astrakhan Kremlin, for the Kazan Kazan Kremlin, for the Muscovite Moscow Kremlin, etc.

                      The idea of ​​this contest is itself hostile to a vast multinational country. IMHO!
                      1. old man54
                        old man54 4 September 2013 22: 03 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Evrepid
                        The idea of ​​this contest is itself hostile to a vast multinational country.

                        voo, very sensible, finally, a comment. We are once again separated by these competitions, and we are happy to try! Rodney Mother is not even a Volgograd and Stalingrad monument! This is a Monument of fortitude and strength of spirit of the Slavic nation and other nations, who fought with us in that war! And this is the common single symbol of a normal country, a united, not different ngv Kremlin in Russia or Mosque!
                      2. Setrac
                        Setrac 5 September 2013 00: 55 New
                        +1
                        Quote: old man54
                        This is a Monument of fortitude and strength of spirit of the Slavic nation and other nations, who fought with us in that war!

                        the battle of Moscow was no less important than the Stalingrad. You recall how the soldiers went from the parade into battle?
                      3. Evrepid
                        Evrepid 5 September 2013 14: 57 New
                        +1
                        The battle of Stalingrad, the battle of Voronezh - These are battles that fettered a huge number of enemy troops.
                        If this had not happened, then the battle of Moscow would have been lost.
                        This is all the reasoning from the field of what would happen if it happened like this, but the story has no subjunctive mood, it happened as it happened.
                      4. old man54
                        old man54 5 September 2013 21: 28 New
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                        Quote: Setrac
                        You recall how the soldiers went from the parade into battle?

                        Yeah, remind me! Especially what they were for the regiments where they were formed and who mainly composed them. The battle of Moscow ... in a strategic sense, is more than mediocre, well, the Germans were stopped then, yes. perfectly. Well, they were thrown back from the capital city for 200 km, so what? The minimum number fell into the environment of the invaders, their losses were commensurate with ours during this operation. the front after it in this central direction is yes, stabilized, that’s good. But Stalingrad ... good And something the same Churchill after the battle of Moscow did not bring the sword-treasurer as a gift, but after Stalingrad he brought it !! tongue
                2. Semen Semyonitch
                  Semen Semyonitch 5 September 2013 04: 36 New
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                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  we confuse concepts

                  ... living on them ...
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              3. Evrepid
                Evrepid 4 September 2013 17: 21 New
                +2
                If Russia is considered only Moscow and the Moscow region. That may be a symbol. And Motherland is worse? I think that based on the fact that this is a symbol of the struggle of ALL peoples of the Russian Federation for freedom, it is more suitable than a murdered prince.

                And as such, Mamaev Kurgan has a more glorious history of the battle for freedom and independence of the Russian Federation as a whole than the coal Kremlin.
                Mamaev Kurgan is the memory of millions of the fallen, and the coal Kremlin is known for only one slaughtered Tserevich.

                And it itself is part of the story, but in my opinion, does not draw on the All-Russian monument!
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 4 September 2013 18: 34 New
                  -1
                  +-
                  Quote: Evrepid
                  than the coal Kremlin

                  and what does it have to do with it?
                  1. Evrepid
                    Evrepid 5 September 2013 14: 59 New
                    0
                    You see, this is just an example. One could say in the same sense than the Novgorod Kremlin / Lake Pleshcheevo / Rostov Kremlin, etc.
        4. Misantrop
          Misantrop 4 September 2013 19: 17 New
          +1
          By the way, who knows, Baikal was among the characters? Or are there, by condition, only man-made required?
          1. forester
            forester 4 September 2013 21: 19 New
            +3
            Oh, what a view from the Kultuksky pass!
    2. Papakiko
      Papakiko 4 September 2013 10: 41 New
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      Quote: Mitek
      The competition was originally idiotic.

      All "contests" with SMS for money were originally sharpened by the loot and the resonance is created initially by the loot.
      It is necessary to legally ban such "attractions".
      And the channel of Russia and mobile operators under Article 282 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation is minimal, and the money should be returned to all those participating.

      282 of the Criminal Code states:
      b) a person using his / her official position;
      c) by an organized group, -
      shall be punishable by a fine in the amount of one hundred thousand to five hundred thousand rubles, or in the amount of the convict's salary or other income for a period of one year to three years, or by deprivation of the right to occupy certain positions or engage in certain activities for a term of up to five years, or compulsory work for a term up to four hundred and eighty hours, or correctional labor for a term of one year to two years, or forced labor for a term of up to five years, or imprisonment for the same term.


      Wait or not wait for application to organizers and operators of communication?
    3. Suhov
      Suhov 4 September 2013 10: 56 New
      +6
      Quote: Mitek
      The competition was originally idiotic. Russia has one symbol - KREMLIN.

      "Dumb" Europe has banned their vote at Eurovision.
      For the neighbors - please!
      It is rallying!
      yes
      And we have everything according to Chernomyrdin ...
      recourse
      Who organized the contest with us?
      Do they still have pioneer anthems in jo * pe?
      sad
      1. Ribwort
        Ribwort 4 September 2013 11: 08 New
        +2
        Quote: Sukhov
        Do they still have pioneer anthems in jo * pe?

        Yes, it would be better if the pioneer anthems were played. In light of recent events, I strongly doubt that there is something more ingenious than Antoshka or Murka ...
      2. Current 72
        Current 72 4 September 2013 16: 28 New
        +4
        Citizen Sukhov, and why you do not like pioneer hymns, maybe so: We are pioneers children of workers ......?
    4. Duelist
      Duelist 4 September 2013 12: 32 New
      0
      Yeah! The competition for the symbol of Russia has become a competition for corruption!
    5. forester
      forester 4 September 2013 21: 13 New
      0
      But what about the motherland?
    6. old man54
      old man54 4 September 2013 21: 54 New
      -2
      Quote: Mitek
      In Russia, the symbol is one-KREMLIN. Whether someone likes it or not, it’s the only real symbol of the country.

      in one place your Moscow Kremlin (made in Italy) !!! Already so sick of him every Divine Day on TV to see, along with its inhabitants! Motherland is the symbol of Russia !!! And leave your Kremlin to yourself!
      1. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 5 September 2013 04: 42 New
        0
        Quote: old man54
        Quote: Mitek
        In Russia, the symbol is one-KREMLIN. Whether someone likes it or not, it’s the only real symbol of the country.

        in one place your Moscow Kremlin (made in Italy) !!! Already so sick of him every Divine Day on TV to see, along with its inhabitants! Motherland is the symbol of Russia !!! And leave your Kremlin to yourself!

        Do you have the concept of “Kremlin” associated with the government? Or did you add something to the architectural monument? Less bile, dear, is useful for digestion.
    7. rks5317
      rks5317 7 September 2013 14: 14 New
      0
      Absolutely right !!! Apparently, the general with a 10-year education, who cut Russian throats, wanted something special and the Kremlin w / m took a visor ...
  2. Igor39
    Igor39 4 September 2013 08: 34 New
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    And what would be cool in 145 million Russia, where there are 100 million Russians, the symbol would be a mosque in Grozny, where a Chechen lives no more than a million, this would reflect how really Russians love the Caucasus.
  3. anip
    anip 4 September 2013 09: 08 New
    19
    Quote: Civil
    if Kadyrov spoke for the Russians

    What kind of Russians are these? For if the Chechens, then yes. But they are not Russians to me.
    1. valerei
      valerei 4 September 2013 11: 33 New
      +5
      anip, Civil probably didn’t understand what he wrote. And what about the Chechens, we Russians quickly forgot something that the Chechens killed tens of thousands of us Russians in the early 90s and robbed them and all the survivors before being expelled from Chechnya. This is an alcoholic - Yeltsin came up with the "Russians", but there is no such word in the Russian language.
      1. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 4 September 2013 11: 58 New
        +1
        The word "Russians" in the song "Quadrille", once popular in the 70-80s
  4. Mairos
    Mairos 4 September 2013 13: 43 New
    +5
    Kadyrov spoke for Chechens, not for Russians
  • andrejwz
    andrejwz 4 September 2013 08: 42 New
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    Quote: GreatRussia
    And with the first, second, and hundredth glances with the naked eye it can be seen that this is a scam for pumping money. Auction for the sale of characters.

    It can be seen with a naked eye that the holding of such "competitions" in a country that occupies 1/6 of the existing, multinational and multiconfessional country does not contribute to unity or peaceful coexistence. and no one will convince me that the organizers who dragged this project through the geographic community did not realize that they were planting a bomb (it looks more like a hidden banner). I am not opposed to conducting the audit, it’s only that the prosecutor’s office doesn’t need to check it, while sorting out the SMS, but the FSB is figuring out the goals of the organizers and the degree to which the project has been worked out regarding social, social and political security.
  • Hort
    Hort 4 September 2013 09: 00 New
    0
    according to the latest news on the Internet, operators returned money to Chechens
    1. anip
      anip 4 September 2013 09: 10 New
      +9
      Quote: hort
      according to the latest news on the Internet, operators returned money to Chechens

      And here they licked the Caucasians. So even if the voices were then canceled too.
  • avdkrd
    avdkrd 4 September 2013 13: 56 New
    +6
    Quote: GreatRussia
    And with the first, second, and hundredth glances with the naked eye it can be seen that this is a scam for pumping money. Auction for the sale of characters.

    Moreover, the very idea of ​​holding such a competition is, to put it mildly, immoral, if not criminal, as it is aimed at fomenting national contradictions, which the most ambitious republican leaders have pecked at like a pike. Russia as a state can have only one symbol, and it already has one - the Moscow Kremlin. It is with the Kremlin and Moscow that Russia is associated as a state throughout the world. The extreme degree of megalomania multiplied by nationalism is the nomination of regional (republican) architectural objects for the status of the SYMBOL OF ALL RUSSIA. What association with Russia should the Mosque in Grozny cause? Is this a symbol uniting all Russians? However, the Kolomna Kremlin from the same opera is certainly a historical monument, but to my shame, before this competition, I did not suspect its existence. It would be right to call the ideologists of the action to account, because the purpose of this competition is very dubious from the point of view of common sense, but fits perfectly into the attempt to incite separatism and ethnic hatred.
    1. Shkodnick
      Shkodnick 4 September 2013 16: 36 New
      +6
      Laughter, and only Chechnya, sitting on state subsidies (read our taxes), ransacked the mosque and, for our money, is trying to put it in the lead by SMS voting ...
  • kafa
    kafa 4 September 2013 07: 48 New
    +4
    the rumors were offended too; their tsar-yurt was supposed to defeat am
  • DDA
    DDA 4 September 2013 07: 51 New
    36
    The name of Russia is Russia, the face of Russia is the coat of arms of Russia, the voice of Russia is the anthem of Russia. Change this only on the basis of the constitution of Russia.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 4 September 2013 07: 53 New
    +2
    Miracles continue. Yesterday, voting was suspended. And it would seem that the results of the voting at the time of the suspension should be preserved (the first place was the Trinity-Sergius Lavra, the mosque was the heart of Chechnya in about the eighth, today they were swapped), although no one votes. The question is, how are traditions, how are spiritual bonds?
  • ZeroFact
    ZeroFact 4 September 2013 07: 57 New
    0
    And what about the boxing club Ramzan? Why dismissed?
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 4 September 2013 07: 58 New
    +9
    Ramzan cannot do without show-offs .. (this is already in the blood ..) As if there were no other problems ..
    1. afire
      afire 4 September 2013 09: 37 New
      22
      him? problems? Ramzan can finally have no problems)))
      Sheriff’s horse problems aren’t ..... you know for yourself.
      such an attitude is absolutely towards everyone, on camera he is the most caring, nothing actually happens in the republic, as for me, then he keeps the ramzan of the GDP until then, when under a single World showdown it will be possible to crush all this terrorist evil in one gulp, and Now a number of difficulties will arise, since he is still a regional "leader", I don’t understand how a person who initially had no knowledge stood at the helm of such a hot region, only one verdict was a deal, money (and not small) in exchange for peace of mind why so much money goes there, but nothing happens in the republic, because it’s not money for the republic, but for terrorist people who are holding back terror on our territory and don’t need to be a visionary, so as not to understand that they’re from the idea of ​​the caliphate They don’t intend to refuse, and at any opportunity this will again become their vector, NOU has money - no caliphate, no problems, no money - then excuse me .... we’re Muslims, faith, martyrs, etc.
      That's all.
      Under my words there is no aversion to religions, just a lot of them hide behind and want - you don’t want, but cling to the religious component in any proceedings. This was the initial calculation of those who push greed under religion. And where self-interest, you can push religion, but .... a little bit different, examples in Syria
      1. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 4 September 2013 12: 01 New
        +2
        "... the behavior of the head of the North Caucasus region looks, to put it mildly, strange and similar to the behavior of not at all a statesman, but rather an offended teenager, and this is to say the least ..."
        He is a teenager. As for education, this is decided in the underpass for little money.
  • theadenter
    theadenter 4 September 2013 08: 04 New
    +9
    If you discard the two leading positions from the vote - this will be the real result of the vote.
    PS: voted for Baikal.
    1. Genera
      Genera 4 September 2013 09: 28 New
      +2
      I fully support, organized a competition of principles, removed these two leading positions, will find other sights for the sake of their own ambitions.
  • Pit
    Pit 4 September 2013 08: 11 New
    26
    Bullshit. There are not as many Muslims in Russia as there are voices, but personally, to be honest, I found out about this mosque only a couple of days ago, when govno began to boil.
    And there are at least 99% of the country's population who are not aware of this miracle of the “ancient” zotchism.
    If we do something with a symbol, then it’s definitely not a remake, but something that has at least a couple of centuries of glorious history !!!
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 4 September 2013 08: 22 New
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      Quote: Pit
      If we do something with a symbol, then it’s definitely not a remake, but something that has at least a couple of centuries of glorious history !!!
      Then Mother Motherland will also have to be removed from the competition. Not age should be the case, but in significance.
      1. Pit
        Pit 4 September 2013 09: 16 New
        +6
        Quote: Nagan
        Not age should be the case, but in significance.

        Well, yes, you’re right, that I turned down. I repent.
        But still, how can one make a symbol that only a couple percent of the population knows about?
        1. Suhov
          Suhov 4 September 2013 11: 27 New
          +2
          Quote: Pit
          Well, yes, you’re right, that I turned down. I repent.

          No, you did not bend.
          no
          Simple Your opponent pointed out an exception., which confirms the rule you have formulated.
          wassat
    2. Igor39
      Igor39 4 September 2013 08: 39 New
      +1
      ++++++++ Ancient architecture laughing
  • Basilevs
    Basilevs 4 September 2013 08: 26 New
    24
    Imagine that heart Chechnya will become a symbol RUSSIA??? Quite a guy went to the roof.
    1. Basileus
      Basileus 4 September 2013 08: 51 New
      -22
      But what, Chechnya-not Russia?) Smacks of separatism)

      In no way am I trying to justify finding the mosque in the first place - this is wrong. But why a monument in Volgograd, a lake in Siberia or a valley in the Far East can be symbols of Russia, but something in the Caucasus - not?
      1. IGS
        IGS 4 September 2013 09: 42 New
        11
        I can explain ... how many rubles went to vote from Chechnya for a remake that cost how many rubles? And this is at a time when they want to cut the budget at the expense of mothers and pensioners ... Does it smell like separatism? to whom? maybe to the rest of the population of Russia?
        1. Basileus
          Basileus 4 September 2013 20: 53 New
          +3
          And what does the money have to do with it? Here, a man almost openly said that Chechnya is not Russia. Several generations of Russian people shed blood for him and dozens of others like him, who had received his messages.
          1. IGS
            IGS 4 September 2013 22: 34 New
            0
            He did not say that. In your opinion, if I said that St. Petersburg is a symbol of Russia, would you accuse me of wanting to separate Russia from St. Petersburg? Maybe you want to see this?
            1. Basileus
              Basileus 5 September 2013 07: 53 New
              0
              Chechnya's heart will become a symbol of RUSSIA

              Chechnya is openly opposed to Russia. You do not oppose Peter to Russia?
              1. IGS
                IGS 7 September 2013 15: 13 New
                0
                I will answer politically correct smile The author did not separate anything, but expressed dissatisfaction with the fact that they wanted to make a symbol of the Muslim faith, as well as a symbol of the Muslim faith, as a symbol of Orthodox Russia (excuse me if anyone was hurt, but it happened historically that the center of unification of different nationalities in Russia was the Russian people, mostly Orthodox) one of the regions that is an integral part of the Russian Federation (I seriously), in which, in the recent past, there were politically incorrect persecutions of Orthodox Christians. Of course, now these shortcomings are eliminated. smile but do not disturb past wounds for a while.
      2. valerei
        valerei 4 September 2013 11: 50 New
        +6
        Basileus, Something - nothing, as they say, discord. Ramzan, if he would care for the Caucasus in principle, should be offered, for example, Elbrus. And he shoves his mosque! Mosque! And he suggested this to the Russians !, some of which are Orthodox, and some (like me, for example) are generally atheists. By the way, I didn’t vote for anything at all, when it dawned on me that SMS was paid. And now the scandal, with signs of a scam, just like in my gut I felt that they were "throwing" somewhere.
        1. Basileus
          Basileus 4 September 2013 20: 32 New
          +2
          So I don’t justify neither the big child of Kadyrov, nor the idiots-organizers, nor anyone else. But here is a man who believes that Chechnya is not Russia, and the 27 people who support him and put me down are scary. This is the same "imperial" patriotic majority that hates liberals, but makes such statements no better than themselves. Because it is for our liberals that the simplest solution to the Caucasian problem is its separation, and the patriot should not wish the collapse of his country. Is not it so?
          1. IGS
            IGS 4 September 2013 22: 01 New
            +3
            I personally didn’t set a minus, and about disconnecting Chechnya ... these are pipes. But for this comment I made, I ask, do not substitute the concepts of Kadyrov — far from a child, and the games are not children’s, tell this to the mothers of the fallen soldiers (essentially children) when he was a fighter. The organizers are not stupid, they raped money and not a little. Imperial ways ... er no .. Russia has always been associated with the word and concept of Orthodoxy, with all the diversity of religions, and everyone understood this, and the rest of the creeds were not deprived or persecuted, Orthodoxy professes tolerance for other religions, REAL tolerance. Suicide bombers with a belt full of explosives, killing themselves and others for the Orthodox Church ... nonsense and nonsense. And that's it. They put a little bush, but screaming loudly ... instead of stoning in place, at best. Yes, we bought Chechnya, it’s better than the blood of our children, now they are overgrown with fat, they have something to lose, they won’t fight, albeit regularly scare it ... well .. well .. they have so much inside the contradictions and resentments accumulated due to the dough section, that they themselves will cut each other if that. Simply, sometimes you can use the whip to know your place. Yes ... I do not speak for the entire Chechen people. There are enough normal, hardworking (it sounds strange, right?) People, only we don’t see them, because they live, work and want to die on their land, the land of their fathers, and they will not go to Moscow or any other city . Kadyrov, by his deed wants a negative reaction from the whole of Russia, and not only the Orthodox, or in our country there are no more places revered by Muslims? Google to the rescue. And then, the child was just fooling around ... and the organizers are not friends with the head, but wave your hand and do not pay attention ..
          2. Russ69
            Russ69 4 September 2013 22: 19 New
            +1
            Quote: Basileus
            But here is a man who believes that Chechnya is not Russia, and the 27 people who support him and put me down are scary.

            Moreover, these same people scolded Humpbacked and EBN for the collapse of Russia, but again they themselves propose to separate the Caucasus, then something else ...
            As regards the contest, it is unlikely that the organizers thought that the mosque was so impudently dragged to the first place.
        2. alone
          alone 4 September 2013 21: 02 New
          +1
          Yes, it’s a scam, they pumped money from citizens and that’s all. And then, regardless of the votes, they declared their option as a winner. Even if Ramzan put there a billion greens, the mosque wouldn’t go through. By the way, they bred him like a sucker)))
      3. avdkrd
        avdkrd 4 September 2013 23: 25 New
        0
        Quote: Basileus
        In no way am I trying to justify finding the mosque in the first place - this is wrong. But why a monument in Volgograd, a lake in Siberia or a valley in the Far East can be symbols of Russia, but something in the Caucasus - not?

        Yes, the whole competition is aimed at rocking separatism. From which Christmas tree did the organizers fall, they don’t know what is the symbol of Russia? How can this symbol be sought in Chechnya or on Lake Baikal? If we are talking about an architectural monument, then it’s even more criminal to look further than Red Square. A symbol can only be in the capital of the state, everything else is a regional symbol. If the organizers had initially raised the question of regional symbols, then everything would have been right - the Heart of Chechnya is the symbol of Chechnya, the Kolomna Kremlin is the symbol of the Moscow region, the Baikal is the symbol of Eastern Siberia, etc., but how can one look for the symbol of Russia further than Moscow?
  • Skarte
    Skarte 4 September 2013 08: 30 New
    +2
    I generally can’t understand where they dug up that a symbol of Russia will be one architectural structure (rumors go) !? Even on the contest website there is none! It says otherwise "10 leaders are not ranked. There will be no 1st and 10th places, only 10ka leaders and all. 10 leaders are recognized as winners!"
    http://10russia.ru/rules (в самом низу)...Ну и на мой взгляд надо было в условиях конкурса сразу оговаривать, что принимать участия будут строения и сооружения которым более 100 лет и природные зоны. Как то так)
    1. Quiet
      Quiet 4 September 2013 09: 05 New
      12
      from where they dug out that one architectural structure will be a symbol of Russia

      THE SYMBOL OF RUSSIA is the territory of Russia !!!!! good drinks hi
      1. Skarte
        Skarte 4 September 2013 09: 55 New
        +2
        THE SYMBOL OF RUSSIA is the territory of Russia !!!!!

        certainly !!!!! drinks
      2. kush62
        kush62 4 September 2013 18: 05 New
        +3
        THE SYMBOL OF RUSSIA is the territory of Russia !!!!!

        Add: and the people of Russia !!!
      3. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 5 September 2013 05: 03 New
        +1
        Quote: Quiet
        from where they dug out that one architectural structure will be a symbol of Russia

        THE SYMBOL OF RUSSIA is the territory of Russia !!!!! good drinks hi

        ... and the mysterious Russian soul drinks
  • Quiet
    Quiet 4 September 2013 08: 35 New
    +1
    As a result, it turned out that the Grozny mosque clashed in an SMS battle with the Kolomna Kremlin, built in the first half of the 16th century.

    The boy - Ramzanchik did not admit (and thank God) that in order to win it was just necessary to blow up the Kolomna Kremlin !! Now the organizers of such shows have a new headache - to provide reliable protection for all the monuments entering the semifinals !!! fool am lol
  • Sewer
    Sewer 4 September 2013 08: 39 New
    26
    The fact that the Chechen mosque was generally put up for participation is an insult to the entire Russian people! You just think about it,MosqueAll! It was an open statement that they were the masters of Russia, they thought and think so! With what fright did she get into the competition? Not only does Chechnya start to greet from year to year, but every day, and if it goes on, it will be either a new war with them or we just become their slaves, there will be no other! Do not believe in the myth that we can live peacefully, this was not with the tsars, not with the USSR, and now this is not! There is a tribute that Russia pays Chechnya, at the cost of the lives of our soldiers, Kadyrov was seated on the throne of Chechnya, a geek who fought against Russia in the first war, that there is a mosque in the original Russian and founded Russian city of Grozny, and there is no place for Russians at all, that is that the Stavropol Territory is actively populated by Chechens and so on! Our government doesn’t react to this, but only contributes to this! I personally, I don’t see anything good on this issue in the future!
    1. Quiet
      Quiet 4 September 2013 08: 49 New
      20
      The fact that the Chechen mosque was generally exhibited

      This mosque "remake" With the same success, you can put up for competition any mansion on the "Ruble" !!! fool
    2. alebor
      alebor 4 September 2013 09: 54 New
      +5
      The symbol of Russia is a mosque! This can only be a dream in a nightmare.
      (Similarly, it is difficult to imagine a mosque as a symbol of Germany or the Czech Republic or France, although they certainly are there).
      But, on the other hand, this can be perceived as a gloomy warning about the future of our country.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 5 September 2013 01: 07 New
        0
        Quote: alebor
        The symbol of Russia is a mosque! This can only be a dream in a nightmare.

        Well, they had the right to fight, but in a fair fight. Shame, remake, no different construction pushed into the competition. The Chechens had the most beautiful mosque, now this mosque has the dubious glory of the most scandalous mosque in the world, an antipiar.
    3. pahom54
      pahom54 4 September 2013 10: 26 New
      +6
      And it pays a huge tribute ... And at the same time they whine about the budget deficit, and begin to cut social programs ... And let the grandmother cut this tribute to bribe Chechnya, supposedly temporarily peaceful ... Damn, but they laugh at us that such grandmas (LEGALLY - from the budget, and ILLEGAL - by robbery and fraud) are pulled from Russia. And in general: they say that they are independent, that they are not Russia, so why put up your caravanserai for the competition?
      And in general - and what, Chechnya claims the role of the Tatar-Mongol yoke ???
      If Bush patted Medvedev on the shoulder in Tokyo - it was humiliating ... Well, here Putin was spat and put in the face, but he didn’t cut through ...
  • Andrey from Tver
    Andrey from Tver 4 September 2013 08: 41 New
    10
    Such is the symbol of Russia. He gave the command to vote for the mosque. In Syria, the "infidels" are killing Muslims, and the main thing for them is to win an SMS vote.
    1. Quiet
      Quiet 4 September 2013 16: 05 New
      +6
      In Syria, "infidels" kill Muslims

      Can give the battalion "Vostok" to stare at the infidels ??? And then after 08.08.08. overgrown with fat. Otherwise, what for so much dough in Ichkeria swelled !! LET'S WORK OUT !!!!! angry
      1. alone
        alone 4 September 2013 20: 59 New
        +2
        belay Do you think the East battalion is stronger than the entire Syrian army? _))
    2. Diamond
      Diamond 4 September 2013 17: 54 New
      +2
      Gaddafi also had a golden gun
      1. Dober
        Dober 4 September 2013 20: 26 New
        +1
        Quote: Diamond
        Gaddafi also had a golden gun

        Not him alone.
        Not a problem, you want to do it too -

        How much is a Kalashnikov gold assault rifle?

        Modification barrel length Cost (not including bayonet)
        AK-47 / AK-74 415 mm 50 thousand. rubles
        AK-102 314 mm 45 thousand rubles
        AKS-74U 206,5 mm rubles


        esquire.ru/5-min-ak47
  • Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 4 September 2013 08: 49 New
    +2
    Ramzan confused the east with the west ... In general, he always confuses them ... laughing
    1. Quiet
      Quiet 4 September 2013 16: 59 New
      +1
      Ramzan confused east with west

      In his battalions he was also confused leading the serene life of a parasite ????
  • shitovmg
    shitovmg 4 September 2013 08: 49 New
    +2
    Kremlin, there is no alternative! The rest is regional characters.
    1. Quiet
      Quiet 4 September 2013 10: 03 New
      +1
      The organizers of the contest pursued one goal, to continue to rock the situation inside Russia !!! - To quarrel over a stupid, stupid project of people of different faiths !! East to west, north to south !!! . No need to be served on this “soap”. It’s great to slip !!!
      1. tupolev-95
        tupolev-95 4 September 2013 10: 48 New
        +3
        The organizers wanted to cut the dough and they succeeded. But there is no need to rock the situation - and so it’s been clear for a long time — the government is conducting a disastrous national and economic policy within the country.
  • Nickanor
    Nickanor 4 September 2013 08: 52 New
    +5
    It seems to me that religious symbols (such as a mosque) are not entirely correct to exhibit in such a vote. The symbol should not be religiously motivated, as well as ethnic, political, etc. The symbol should unite people, and not disconnect on any basis.
    1. GDP
      GDP 4 September 2013 09: 07 New
      +5
      Motherland, Kizhi, the temple complex in Rostov the Great, Winter Palace .... - This is only if we talk about architecture. If we talk about watered correctness - then motherland - an ideal and unicultural symbol of perseverance and victories of our people ...
      1. Onotollah
        Onotollah 5 September 2013 06: 52 New
        0
        Quote: GDP
        then Motherland is a non-cultural symbol of perseverance and victories of our people ...

        What does it mean?
  • andrei332809
    andrei332809 4 September 2013 08: 52 New
    +9
    I’ll go and wear red moccasins, a green cap and explain to visitors that they are here on GUESTS! ahhh, forgot, you have to switch to "wai! on x ..." connection
    py.s. I’ll dump it for an hour (here somewhere the sons of the mountains are nearby (who are proud of the crowd, but Odyn immediately-shave, shave ...)
  • Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 4 September 2013 08: 53 New
    +5
    How could a mosque climb into the competition "symbol of Russia" request , and even in leading positions ... winked.
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  • Kadet_KRAK
    Kadet_KRAK 4 September 2013 08: 56 New
    +5
    I do not think that Kadyrov is so dumb to get involved in such an adventure. The final goal of the competition is immediately clear - inciting ethnic hatred between Russians and Chechens, because each nationality has its own monuments, and one to choose so that it never works out for everyone. Provocation of pure water. It fits very well into the chronology of recent events - a permanent war between security forces and bandit formations in the Caucasus, and now in the information field, but on what scale.
    1. Dazdranagon
      Dazdranagon 4 September 2013 11: 27 New
      0
      Quote: Kadet_KRAK
      I don’t think Kadyrov is so dumb
      - stupid, believe me.
  • papas-57
    papas-57 4 September 2013 08: 57 New
    +2
    Get ready, soon in Russia there will be a new president who has laid down on everyone and everything. And he will be a symbol of Russia (and judging by his actions and statements, he is already a “master” because no one can or will not put him in his place)
    1. Whole
      Whole 4 September 2013 09: 38 New
      +2
      But what is prepared then? Doesn’t it lay right now? And why will it be a symbol? Our president is already a symbol of Russia, at least for the West for sure.
  • 12061973
    12061973 4 September 2013 08: 59 New
    +6
    if mobile operators return money for SMS to Chechens, then let them return it to all voters. In the Russian Federation, even the competition of attractions is politicized with a nat-religious bias.
  • stroporez
    stroporez 4 September 2013 09: 04 New
    +7
    I think Russia has three characters ---------- a farmer, a soldier and a woman .........
  • ReifA
    ReifA 4 September 2013 09: 08 New
    37
    IMHO Motherland is most suitable. Russia cannot be defeated or broken! (Which has been tried many times over many centuries)
    1. Dober
      Dober 4 September 2013 11: 53 New
      17
      Quote: ReifA
      Motherland is most suitable.

      This is like a symbol of Russia.
      And here you have a vote SYMBOL OF EUROPE!
      And then it seems to me that many began to forget here ...
      I must remind ...
  • Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 4 September 2013 09: 10 New
    +5
    Good A completely opaque contest! Everyone is not lazy to vote, as I understand it, not even citizens of the Russian Federation! The fact that they poured 10 SMS messages from 1 number it was immediately possible to stop the contest at once. The symbol of the Russian Federation is the Kremlin, as was correctly noted! and all other speculations on the theme of symbolism are ambition.
  • Vrungel78
    Vrungel78 4 September 2013 09: 11 New
    +6
    When the dog has nothing to do, she starts licking eggs. Why is this contest needed at all? Previously, I naively believed tourism development for the sake of. Now I believe that someone looted loot. Moreover, another ethnic conflict is brewing.
  • Igor39
    Igor39 4 September 2013 09: 16 New
    +4
    The symbol of Russia is a peasant plowing in the field, he is also a warrior, when necessary. From it everything began.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 4 September 2013 09: 18 New
    22
    Monuments should be removed from the vote altogether. only natural nuggets and unique places. What about the mosque? I feel like a mosque will collapse soon; it’s possible to shoot from a large one from far away, if this all goes on. And there will be no third terrible restoration; there will be no one to restore. All under the knife. tattered.
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 4 September 2013 09: 30 New
      +4
      What you are not politically correct today, even cartridges are yellowing.
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    2. sashka
      sashka 4 September 2013 10: 08 New
      0
      Quote: ed65b
      And there will be no third terrible restoration; there will be no one to restore. All under the knife. tattered.

      Ek, how did you incur .. At such a rate, maternal capital will not be canceled, but it will have to be increased ..
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 4 September 2013 10: 27 New
        +9
        Yes, these Vainakhs are sick of it. They went down from the mountains for salt, but they forgot the way back. I need to show them.
        1. Dober
          Dober 4 September 2013 11: 57 New
          +1
          Quote: ed65b
          They went down from the mountains for salt, but they forgot the way back. I need to show them.

          What kind of strange country is Russia?
          She conquers all and these "all" remain here to live.
        2. T80UM1
          T80UM1 4 September 2013 12: 24 New
          +1
          any question must be resolved completely and irrevocably, I support.
          1. tverskoi77
            tverskoi77 4 September 2013 16: 17 New
            0
            any issue must be resolved completely and irrevocably, I support

            I join!
          2. Shkodnick
            Shkodnick 4 September 2013 17: 02 New
            +2
            Operation Lentil would be a good tool for a democratic solution to the issue, only with deportation not to Wed Asia, but preferably to America !!!
  • MuadDib
    MuadDib 4 September 2013 09: 26 New
    12
    Each has its own symbol of Russia. I have it - the embankment of Vladivostok, the submarine S-56. And also a monument to Erofei Khabarov in Khabarovsk. Moscow Kremlin and the Bronze Horseman. And to argue because of this there is no point - what pleases, then the symbol.
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 4 September 2013 16: 25 New
      0
      Quote: MuadDib
      Each has its own symbol of Russia.

      Everything is correct. Each has its own. I have this oak, which my great-grandfather planted in front of his house and which is already over 120 years old. By the way, in our family there is a tradition when I left my parents for a long time, always planted a tree under their windows.
  • waisson
    waisson 4 September 2013 09: 31 New
    +3
    We wanted the best, but it turned out as always
  • tttttt
    tttttt 4 September 2013 09: 32 New
    17
    Well, in general, Kadyrov showed his true face (animal grin) to the “statesman” of Russia. And there is no need to harbor illusions about him and his defenders at the heights of power. In the deck of Illuminati cards, if anyone in the course published back in 1985, his card is present, which means it will be played. The competition itself is a grand multi-way provocation, the result of which may be the orientation of the Chechens to the disruption of the Olympics in Sochi, and in the long term to the 3rd Chechen war by 2014-2015, in resonance with the intensely fanned 3rd World War. In general, a mosque is good, even if it was in vain that they built it, but I must emphasize that in the Russian fortress city of Grozny and Chechnya, the Russian governor-general, the border to the castle should remove all weapons from local natives, all diasporas (Lord, word then what? ...) send to the place of historical residence.
    1. Ribwort
      Ribwort 4 September 2013 11: 03 New
      +7
      Quote: tttttt
      Kadyrov showed his true face

      But what, did he hide him? Maybe when he killed the Russian soldiers? And if he put on a mask in the form of a “hero of Russia,” then he didn’t. All questions to those who thanked him in this way.
      Quote: tttttt
      all diasporas (Lord, what is the word? ...)

      It used to be called an organized crime group based on nationality. And now, you see, diasporas ... They are considered, negotiated with and often make concessions to the detriment of law and justice. And again: to whom are these questions?
    2. 12061973
      12061973 4 September 2013 12: 28 New
      +2
      Quote: tttttt
      but I emphasize that I must manage in the Russian fortress city of Grozny and Chechnya the Russian governor-general, the border to the castle, all weapons from local natives should be removed, all diasporas (God, what word? ...) should be sent to the place of historical residence.

      if, because of the contest they’ll hysteria, then what will happen if the head becomes Russian I don’t even know.
    3. Quiet
      Quiet 4 September 2013 17: 04 New
      +3
      Not long he had to rule ... (hunch) ... am
  • hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh 4 September 2013 09: 40 New
    +8
    I think the vote is right. It corresponds to time. A new building built on budget money with poverty of the main part of the population is the image of modern Russia. And the rigging of the voting results under the party line is also modern Russia.
    The image of Russia is of course the Kremlin and St. Basil's Cathedral. In all disaster films they are shown. Paris Eiffel Tower. In short, the question was not posed correctly in the survey, and this is the answer.
  • Whole
    Whole 4 September 2013 09: 42 New
    -1
    C'mon, the dispute is about nothing. The chief accountant will figure it out as it should and (I have already written about this somewhere in the posts again) will win what the GDP indicates.
  • Letterksi
    Letterksi 4 September 2013 09: 49 New
    +7
    Holes believes that if the Russian colonial government pays tribute to him, then the whole Russian people are also not opposed to pay tribute to him. Therefore, he does what he wants, personally will run into mobile operators and use forgery

    This whole story eloquently shows the situation in relations between Russia and Chechnya. Not for nothing, many Russian experts say that a third Chechen is just around the corner if Syria falls. Even if the states do not bomb Syria in the Middle Ages, the third Chechen all the same will happen only later
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 4 September 2013 11: 28 New
      0
      Quote: LetterKsi
      Not for nothing, many Russian experts say that the third Chechen is just around the corner,

      Well, fine. It is better to resolve this issue once and for all than endlessly in limbo half-war.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 4 September 2013 09: 50 New
    +1
    Quote: Hel
    C'mon, the dispute is about nothing. The chief accountant will figure it out as it should and (I have already written about this somewhere in the posts again) will win what the GDP indicates.

    Aha Putin doesn’t sleep straight thinking about this contest ..
    1. tupolev-95
      tupolev-95 4 September 2013 10: 53 New
      +6
      Not at all! In my opinion, he sleeps all the time, as far as national politics inside the country is concerned. And the dream of reason, as they say, gives rise to monsters.
  • individual
    individual 4 September 2013 09: 51 New
    +1
    Quote:
    “Apparently, because of the scandal in the competition, all candidates will have to withdraw from the vote, and the organizers will be awarded a sculpture of a Chinese mobile phone, which must be urgently laid exactly in the middle between Moscow and Grozny ..."

    This is alarming that China may become an arbiter between the Orthodox and Islamic cultures.
    1. kush62
      kush62 4 September 2013 18: 10 New
      0
      I apologize for the individual, minusanul accidentally.
      1. individual
        individual 4 September 2013 18: 40 New
        0
        "Everything happens in our life ..."
  • PPO-1980
    PPO-1980 4 September 2013 10: 00 New
    10
    Another scam. Ostap Bender did not even dream of such methods of legal withdrawal of money from citizens.
    1. IRBIS
      IRBIS 4 September 2013 10: 16 New
      +5
      Quote: PPO-1980
      Another scam. Ostap Bender did not even dream of such methods of legal withdrawal of money from citizens.

      Cellular operators scalded to snot at the competition. Most likely they are the initiators of such contests and surveys. And those who lobbied and promoted this "event" at the government level, either have their share in the LLC, or have corny an sensible "kickback".
  • Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 4 September 2013 10: 01 New
    +5
    But do not you think, friends, that this contest was made by experts to add disputes, anger and accusations?
  • Proud.
    Proud. 4 September 2013 10: 02 New
    +1
    Perhaps the organizers of the competition should expand the concept of “RUSSIA-10.” And do not get hung up on the material, tangible component of this competition. Turn to the main symbol, the People of our Country, to its moral qualities. To the best of these qualities. At least, such an attempt could help, or try to help, the spiritual unity of the citizens of Russia, and not spill over into another srach.IMHO.
  • Cormorants
    Cormorants 4 September 2013 10: 03 New
    +2
    Quote: Mitek
    Quote: Civil
    I have not seen such a failure in the national consciousness, if Kadyrov spoke for the Russians, and all those involved except money in the project did not see ...

    The competition was originally idiotic. In Russia, the symbol is one-KREMLIN. Whether someone likes it or not, it’s the only real symbol of the country. Everything else is nothing more than regional attractions.

    Her, in my opinion a symbol of the country Motherland. This is a symbol.
  • Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 4 September 2013 10: 08 New
    +1
    Very pragmatic article. So much shit in the country has become, horror is simple, but even worse that there have become catastrophically many people who are irresponsible, that this is taken at face value.
  • Nitup
    Nitup 4 September 2013 10: 09 New
    -5
    The site, like, is military, but in pursuit of profit what topics do not pop here
  • andru_007
    andru_007 4 September 2013 10: 09 New
    +6
    Quote: Igor39
    And what would be cool in 145 million Russia, where there are 100 million Russians, the symbol would be a mosque in Grozny, where a Chechen lives no more than a million, this would reflect how really Russians love the Caucasus.

    I understand the desire of Ramzan Kadyrov to make a mosque named after his father a symbol of Russia (well, worthy desire). But I personally (I think I'm not alone) did not like the way he sought it - he used an administrative resource. As I understand it, the main backbone of those who voted for the “Heart of Chechnya” is civil servants who voted “on the go-ahead”. I doubt that the people neatly assembled in the assembly halls and stadiums were so inspired by patriotism that they sent hundreds of SMS messages, taking out a lot of money from the family budget (let me remind you, SMS is a paid thing). I think that this process was sufficiently funded (here, by the way, the question arises from which source).
    But Ramzan did not take into account that the Russians, in spite of their global nonsense, would perceive such a progress, and I would even say the imposition (with all due respect to the Chechens) as a challenge. And in a single impulse they will make a symbol of Russia, little known before this vote (oddly enough), but the Kolomna Kremlin will be its symbol.
    Personally, the fact that in this situation the Russians were able to unite, answer the challenge, and most importantly win, is very pleasing.
    With victory, dear comrades, brothers and sisters!
    Z.Y. By the way, if my version that Kadyrov pro funded SMS voting is correct, then his chagrin is understandable. It's not nice to invest millions and lose. Once again I repeat, it would not be superfluous to track the source of financing, perhaps this is budget money.
    Z.Z.Y. Yes, the behavior of Ramzan after the vote does not paint him as a politician ...
    1. tupolev-95
      tupolev-95 4 September 2013 11: 05 New
      +1
      What is worthy of the fact that, using his position, he is trying to glorify and perpetuate his father by building monuments to him with state money?
    2. Igor39
      Igor39 4 September 2013 13: 21 New
      +4
      Incidentally, he began his political career with Sh. Basayev’s gang, where he boasted that he killed the first Russian at the age of 16.
  • Warrawar
    Warrawar 4 September 2013 10: 10 New
    +6
    The competition is initially stupid and vulgar. Who in general gave the right to any television channel to hold a contest called "10 Symbols of Russia" ... who are they at all to take on the right to define the symbols of Russia? They would hold a competition called "10 symbols of the All-Russian State Television and Radio Broadcasting Company" and no one would say a word.
    Well, the definition of "characters" can’t be any more stupid - you can vote 3 times a day, from one ip. At the same time, using a simple operation with clearing the cache, you can vote an unlimited number of times. And past this there is still SMS voting, which can be used 30 times a day. And then what is the very meaning of voting ?? Who will win more votes? Well, this is precisely what the "compatriots" from the Chechen Republic are doing, moreover, at the level of the republican government, since they have nothing more to do than win votes for their "own" symbols and impose them on us. And the funny thing is that they do it for our money, which flow into the river in Chechnya, in the form of subsidies. So get the "symbols" of Russia in the form of mosques ...
  • fleet
    fleet 4 September 2013 10: 11 New
    0
    I think that the mosque was put up to please Kadyrov, his ministers-lovers. In Chechnya there are more worthy symbols - at least tribal towers.
    1. Dober
      Dober 4 September 2013 12: 03 New
      +1
      Quote: fleet
      Chechnya has more worthy symbols - at least tribal towers.

      Or Generic ZINDANS?
      Maybe someone has survived ... And who wants to build new ones.
      Already not in the territory of Chichka ...
  • tupolev-95
    tupolev-95 4 September 2013 10: 11 New
    +9
    I believe that the contest perfectly demonstrated contemporary Russian reality - in an enormous country with its history and culture, an unknown 90% of the country's population fights a mega-mosque built in a rebellious specific princedom (where the rest of the country is considered enemies) fights for the first place. budget money and with the hot support of the local prince, whose whole power is held up with bayonets.
  • pahom54
    pahom54 4 September 2013 10: 11 New
    +4
    Quote: Mitek
    In Russia, the symbol is one-KREMLIN. Whether someone likes it or not, it’s the only real symbol of the country.

    And this is the only right thing, and this symbol has been fanned for centuries, both by positive and negative symbols of the history of Russia. And, at least, for those who consider themselves a CITIZEN OF RUSSIA, he is not humiliating in the national sense, just THIS IS THE SYMBOL OF RUSSIA ...
    But about everything else, I can only say one thing: SHAME. I am ashamed of the organizers of this competition, who did not think up the possibility of such a political, civil and MORAL scandal. What a share of immorality it is necessary to possess in order to offer the remake of the Grozny mosque to be counted as the heart and symbol of Russia! It's a shame !!! It’s a shame even for the fact that this could happen, a shame for the fact that in all seriousness it is said that MILLIONS have voted for this option !!! What are millions ???
    1. ded10041948
      ded10041948 10 September 2013 10: 55 New
      0
      Not any?". and "whose?" Our taxes are directed to Ramzan so that the boy can continue to "bull".
  • niksup
    niksup 4 September 2013 10: 13 New
    +1
    It was necessary to make a vote through public services, for example, so that there was no vote wrapping. But to put up religious objects for voting is, of course, not the best idea. But the operators raised money.
  • Muadipus
    Muadipus 4 September 2013 10: 14 New
    +3
    The competition, at first glance, has a patriotic focus, and thanks to him, Russians should be able to express their opinion ...
    The frayer's greed ruined. The sign is patriotic, and the goals are low. It has long been clear that voting on the basis of paid SMS - very remotely reflect public opinion. Moreover, it was possible to vote from the 1st phone 3 times a day. If you already decided to vote by SMS voting, then you had to do:
    1. SMS voting is free so that even senior citizens can vote.
    2. from one number only 1 sms.
    Then it would be less objective, but even then not 100%.
  • RBLip
    RBLip 4 September 2013 10: 17 New
    13
    Quote: Basileus
    But what, Chechnya-not Russia?) Smacks of separatism)

    I personally do not care what it smells like. Chechnya is not Russia. dot.
    PS and in the last "contest" voted for I.V. Stalin.
    1. Ribwort
      Ribwort 4 September 2013 11: 15 New
      +2
      Quote: RBLip
      Chechnya is not Russia. Dot.

      Well, why ... Grozny is a primordially Russian city founded by a Russian governor general. The question is not in the territory. And not even so much in the population that lives on this earth (they lived like that under the USSR and did not buzz).
    2. kush62
      kush62 4 September 2013 18: 14 New
      +2
      quote: I personally do not care what it smacks of. Chechnya is not Russia. dot.

      The Chechen Republic as part of Russia. And do not scatter territories, you are our patriot!