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US Navy carrier strike group with a heavy nuclear aircraft carrier "Nimitz" entered the Red Sea

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The US Navy aircraft carrier strike group (AUG) with a heavy nuclear aircraft carrier (AVT) Nimitz (Nimitz) entered the Red Sea on September 2, in case of need, to support American forces during a possible operation in Syria. This was stated to journalists by a representative of the US military under confidentiality.


According to him, the AUG has not yet received an order to advance into the Mediterranean Sea, where there are currently five destroyers and the US Navy San Antonio (San Antonio) universal landing craft that can be involved in a military operation.

The Nimitz aircraft carrier, as well as the accompanying three destroyers, the URO, William P. Lawrence, Stockdale, and Shoup, and the cruiser URO, Princeton, as noted by the Pentagon representative , "have taken a position that will allow them to respond to various unforeseen situations." AVT Harry S. Truman will also be in the Persian Gulf zone.

On Saturday, US President Barack Obama said he decided to strike at Syria, stressing that the military operation will take place only with the consent of the US Congress. Obama believes that the use of military force is necessary to punish and restrain Bashar Assad, who allegedly used chemical weapon against civilians. The head of the White House has already sent a draft resolution to Congress allowing it to use the US military for this purpose. However, the vote on the resolution will take place no earlier than September 9, when the lawmakers return to work after the summer holidays.
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  1. experienced
    experienced 3 September 2013 15: 04 New
    15
    The bearers of democracy are pulling up. Targeting agents are on their way:
    Media: US sent 50 CIA-trained militants to Syria 3 September 2013, 14: 03
    At a meeting with Republican senators, US President Barack Obama said that members of the 50-man sabotage squad trained by the CIA began infiltrating Syria, media reported.

    Obama said US efforts to equip and train Syrian rebels have begun to pay off, and the first 50 saboteurs have already infiltrated Syria, the New York Times reports.

    A statement was made at a meeting with Republican senators and congressmen, including John McCain and Lindsay Graham.


    Infa from here: http://vz.ru/news/2013/9/3/648439.html

    Today the news slipped that the Americans are considering a large-scale operation in Syria .. Sadness recourse
    1. Canep
      Canep 3 September 2013 15: 08 New
      23
      Atomic shock peacekeeper. If only the bearded drowned him with some sort of terrorist attack.
      1. il grand casino
        il grand casino 3 September 2013 15: 10 New
        +5
        Quote: Canep
        Atomic shock peacekeeper. If only the bearded drowned him with some sort of terrorist attack.

        Why bite the hand that feeds you?
        1. Canep
          Canep 3 September 2013 15: 17 New
          +6
          This idiot, in my opinion do not care with whom to fight, "Alakh akbar, ax head." America, for them, is a fiend of evil and a bunch of infidels to fight against. In life, I can’t believe that if al-Qaeda has a real opportunity to drown the Nimitz, they won’t.
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          2. Papakiko
            Papakiko 3 September 2013 16: 22 New
            12
            Quote: Canep
            This idiot, in my opinion do not care with whom to fight, "Alakh akbar, ax head." America, for them, is a fiend of evil and a bunch of infidels to fight against.

            wah-wah, how childish it sounds.
            "Mattress and shaved" pay denech and provide comprehensive support for the "basmachi" and the last turn is not without a difference where to hatch and grunt. Lard and vodka are eating everything, checked repeatedly, this is to words about infidels, etc.
            Quote: Canep
            In life, I can’t believe that if al-Qaeda has a real opportunity to drown the Nimitz, they won’t.

            They won’t do it.
            I won’t even offer to bet you, it’s so obvious.
            The left hand cannot tear off the right hand or try to separate the body from the head. wink
            1. dmitreach
              dmitreach 3 September 2013 18: 48 New
              +1
              I’ll insert my five cents, with permission. hi
              They won’t do it.
              I won’t even offer to bet you, it’s so obvious.
              The left hand cannot tear off the right hand or try to separate the body from the head.

              Your mistake is that you assume that the bearded are chain dogs of the modern Anenerbe (NSA). However, this would be true no sooner than the legend of "Pandora's Box" implied the word "controlled."
              So far, facts such as in this photo. Do you need explanations for the photo?
              1. Papakiko
                Papakiko 3 September 2013 20: 42 New
                +2
                Quote: dmitreach
                So far, facts such as in this photo.

                In this case, too, AlkaEda did everything?

                Quote: regressSSSR
                al-Qaeda is very diverse and heterogeneous and far from being subcontrolled by the United States.

                I would agree with you if everything had not happened to the opposite.
                Who pays and dances, and there are plenty of ways to psychologically process any person. The most dexterous are put on the needle and woo-a-la 100500% devoted devotee.
                See less CNNe and BBC. hi
                nothing that I write with a capital letter
                I’m a mattress and I don’t have a different call and it doesn’t bother me at all and my conscience sleeps normally.
                1. regsSSSR
                  regsSSSR 3 September 2013 22: 07 New
                  +1
                  just do it, of course it’s a parodox that they shasuyut for Shas for those who supposedly declared war on them by demolishing the twins))! well, these games are clear to us, but that's how they explain it to the people, this incident is already interesting! and how it all fits into the democratic model of society among the people is also interesting to ask! according to our Russia Today channel, we should touch upon such a topic and see how Obama will justify themselves (well, not everyone is stupid in the USA), but there are people who are really interested in what is happening!

                  I think Obama is talking about something like that they say there are bad (black) Alkaids who are blowing everything up and blah blah blah BUT! there are good, honest, honest al-Qaeda people who are fighting exclusively for the democratic foundations of a society with hated US regimes, and since they themselves are not getting better, they should be helped immediately (this is in the style of a two-faced US policy))
                  that's interesting the people’s roof will not go after this statement)))
                2. regsSSSR
                  regsSSSR 3 September 2013 23: 41 New
                  0
                  Papakiko (2)
                  I would agree with you if everything had not happened to the opposite.
                  Who pays and dances, and there are plenty of ways to psychologically process any person. The most dexterous are put on the needle and woo-a-la 100500% devoted devotee.


                  yes so then it is of course so here you are certainly right! but you really have too good opinions about the special services of the United States to buy to intimidate or tame by other means. ALL is obscure for anyone there is no one even the United States will always find an uncontrolled leader, and the more the noose of the United States weakens, the more such will appear!

                  See less CNNe and BBC.


                  BBC? and something like that smile hi
              2. Papakiko
                Papakiko 3 September 2013 21: 11 New
                +1
                Quote: dmitreach
                So far, facts such as in this photo.

                Or like these:
                1. dmitreach
                  dmitreach 4 September 2013 00: 09 New
                  0
                  and? what does this prove?
                  “Mattress and shaved” pay cash and provide comprehensive support for the “Basmachi” and the last to turn is not without a difference where to hatch and grunt. The left hand cannot tear off the right hand or try to separate the body from the head.

                  Is this the proof of the fact that mattresses and shaved people are terrorizing their own, with the bearded hands? Oh oh
                  Rather, the Pandora’s Box cannot be controlled. And speaking in Russian: they warmed a snake on his chest.
                2. Stalinets
                  Stalinets 4 September 2013 02: 01 New
                  +1
                  All these photos are FULL CRAWL. This one-legged clown lost her in Afghanistan. In general, it was a PSI operation, without casualties. All these bloody mummers, actors, there is a site about them. They were shot during the next "shooting at the school and the cinema. Http://crisisactors.org This site. Do not get fooled !!!!
            2. regsSSSR
              regsSSSR 3 September 2013 19: 08 New
              +2
              Quote: Canep
              In life, I can’t believe that if al-Qaeda has a real opportunity to drown the Nimitz, they won’t.


              Papakiko (2)
              They won’t do it.
              I won’t even offer to bet you, it’s so obvious.
              The left hand cannot tear off the right hand or try to separate the body from the head. wink


              I suppose, all the same, that the al-Qaida organization is very diverse and heterogeneous and far from being controlled by the United States, it seems that it was reluctant and there are enough people hating the states so this is the very rabid dog that is capable of clinging to the holler and the owner if they don’t throw a new bone on time !(East is a delicate matter)))
              the question is not whether they will blow up or not an aircraft carrier, but the question is that it’s accurate to check on someone who doesn’t assemble so the question acquires a rhetorical connotation!

              nothing that I write in the United States with a small letter with a capital, here's the hand hi
          3. sub307
            sub307 3 September 2013 16: 24 New
            +1
            Yeah, when they introduce their adept (s) into the crew, then everything can be.
          4. alone
            alone 3 September 2013 17: 08 New
            +2
            they’ll do it, they’ll definitely do it only after hitting Syria wassat

            if you seriously think, bearded men will not be allowed there for a cannon shot))
        2. aviator_IAS
          aviator_IAS 3 September 2013 15: 36 New
          +3
          Not all this miscellaneous trash adores the United States. For them, the Americans are, if an ally, then temporary. So after all, in the news, the bearded scum often claims that the enemy next to Syria is the United States. In general, there are many groups and they are still fighting among themselves. In addition, Yemen is nearby, and amers periodically hammer it with drones. After all, they can, in a serious way, be offended?
          1. Apologet.Ru
            Apologet.Ru 3 September 2013 15: 38 New
            17
            hi
            In order to “please” the Indians, it was necessary, and now it’s not too late, to transfer the Club complexes to Assad



            Then organize the exit of container ships -
            And ... may there always be sun ...
            1. vaddag1
              vaddag1 3 September 2013 16: 56 New
              +6
              nice cartoon, almost like "wait a moment"
              1. Natalia
                Natalia 3 September 2013 19: 43 New
                +2
                Quote: Apologet.Ru
                In order to “please” the Indians, it was necessary, and now it’s not too late, to transfer the Club complexes to Assad

                Ha! prkona, finally plague))) Operation called "Big Bummer"
              2. MG42
                MG42 4 September 2013 00: 33 New
                +3
                Quote: vaddag1
                nice cartoon, almost like "wait a moment"

                There, the video shows that the launched missiles bypass the air defense coverage area, something reminiscent of the video from the American LRASM PCR, this element is also present there ..
                No matter how smooth it was on paper, so as not to forget about the <ravines> ..
            2. p-159
              p-159 3 September 2013 17: 50 New
              +1
              smacks of anti-American rhetoric. you don't like the USA
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                1. Ducksar
                  Ducksar 3 September 2013 19: 33 New
                  +5
                  You are not alone !!!
                  1. Apologet.Ru
                    Apologet.Ru 3 September 2013 20: 41 New
                    +7
                    hi
                    Why is my koment on a question-suggestion from r-159
                    smacks of anti-American rhetoric. you don't like the USA

                    was deleted by someone, restoring -

                    I repeat, but usually I am “tolerant of gnashing of teeth”, but now I will say frankly - I HATE P.indosia with the whole being of my Slavic and Orthodox soul and heart.
                    The accursed country of the wbp and u.b.l.u.d.ko.v. in full understanding of these words.
                    And all the comments on the events in this country only from this observation point!
                    And I'm sure that I'm not alone in my addictions to this mutant country ...
          2. p-159
            p-159 3 September 2013 17: 35 New
            +2
            following we are unfortunately. i am tatar
        3. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 3 September 2013 19: 27 New
          0
          Well, you can stick a beard ...
        4. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch 4 September 2013 03: 14 New
          0
          Quote: il grand casino
          Quote: Canep
          Atomic shock peacekeeper. If only the bearded drowned him with some sort of terrorist attack.

          Why bite the hand that feeds you?

          A mad dog bites his hand that feeds her, and she herself can ...
      2. Alex-z84
        Alex-z84 3 September 2013 16: 15 New
        +4
        Quote: Canep
        Atomic shock peacekeeper. If only the bearded drowned him with some sort of terrorist attack.

        Nah ... they are allies, this is an al-Qaeda aircraft carrier.
        1. avdkrd
          avdkrd 3 September 2013 23: 42 New
          0
          Quote: Alex-z84
          Al Qaeda Navy.

          Very accurate definition. It would be right if in the future the Russian media (really Russian) commented on events in this vein. Example: Al Qaeda Navy launched missile and bomb attacks on Syria’s infrastructure ... It would be funny if not so sad.
      3. Natalia
        Natalia 3 September 2013 16: 29 New
        +7
        Quote: Canep
        Atomic shock peacekeeper. If only the bearded drowned him with some sort of terrorist attack.

        Good idea))) And it would look something like this wink
        Houston we have a problem .... lol
        or as the Americans say: "Your mother ..."
        1. Strong
          Strong 3 September 2013 17: 29 New
          10
          The whole irony is that no one after the war in the Pacific Ocean was still pleasing to the eye with his drowning, except this old man Oriskani :)

          But as fans of aircraft carriers fantasize over a photo of this only case - you are amazed.
        2. Ducksar
          Ducksar 3 September 2013 19: 35 New
          +2
          they still say may day may day
      4. Ivan Tarasov
        Ivan Tarasov 3 September 2013 23: 06 New
        +1
        If only the bearded drowned him with some sort of terrorist attack.

        They themselves will sink.
        The United States practices this (recall September 11).
        1. Strong
          Strong 4 September 2013 21: 39 New
          0
          Come on. Even at the time of Pearl Harbor, by a lucky coincidence, they took aircraft carriers out of the harbor. And that’s all.
    2. ziqzaq
      ziqzaq 3 September 2013 15: 12 New
      14
      Personally, I would be more pleased with this news:
      The US Navy’s aircraft carrier strike group with the Nimitz heavy nuclear aircraft carrier landed safely on the bottom of the Red Sea
      1. Alexei
        Alexei 3 September 2013 17: 01 New
        +1
        This was announced to reporters by a representative of the US military on confidentiality.
        This line guarded me. Is that so? It now journalists do they all talk confidentially? Ohhh ... winked
    3. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 3 September 2013 15: 28 New
      +3
      Swam and that's enough, it's time to the bottom ...
      1. p-159
        p-159 3 September 2013 17: 52 New
        0
        I remember Interprise
      2. ultra
        ultra 3 September 2013 18: 39 New
        +7
        ShturmKGB
        Swam and that's enough, it's time to the bottom ...

        Exactly !!! "YAHONT to his side !!!" - as the old pirate used to say! laughing
    4. VAF
      VAF 3 September 2013 19: 26 New
      +6
      Quote: seasoned
      Today the news slipped that the Americans are considering a large-scale operation in Syria ..


      Hi, Lesha! So it’s like that, but in the “massacre” of Amer’s warriors, the same “fermentation” and not quite weak recourse
      "Climbed" today (in the meantime, while the Bobik-737 guys "dug out" at the airport, rolled out 150 meters a day and ... got stuck to our ears, we have rain the second day, like a bucket) on the Marines official website and ... ... he was already surprised when he read the "statements" of the personnel.
      It turns out the guys are not all .. "stupid", as according to M. Zadornov, but with their democracy. then they can generally say- "good, a bayonet to the ground, well, in the sense of the deck ... fought" stop

      I made the photo clickable so that I could enlarge and read it.
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 3 September 2013 19: 49 New
        +5
        I welcome Seryozha, they understand that a lightning victorious war will not work, and dying for the sake of someone's indefatigable ambitions is a dubious pleasure.
      2. experienced
        experienced 3 September 2013 20: 21 New
        +5
        Quote: vaf
        So it’s true, but in the “massacre” of Amer’s warriors, the same “fermentation” and not quite weak

        Hi, Serge hi When did it stop them? After all, it’s not to go to the bayonet but to press and release the KR without going into the affected area of ​​air defense and coastal anti-ship missiles, which means one refuses, they put another at the helm, but the fact that such performances in social networks only pleases, but here it seems to me that the desire "light up" in the brand ... People are hiding behind posters, they are afraid, because there you can get a trial or dismissal
      3. fero
        fero 3 September 2013 20: 24 New
        +5
        The site was hacked by hackers from the Syrian side or sympathetic to them. It is believed that the photos depicted are simply an element of the information war, that is, this photo is not real Amer warriors, but disguised Syrians or someone else.
        Although there is probably among them a bunch of disgruntled warriors who do not share the aspirations of the White House ... although what the hell he is ... it seems that the house is "yellow", and full of inhabitants.
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 3 September 2013 20: 48 New
          +3
          Quote: fero
          It is believed that the photos depicted are simply an element of the information war, that is, this photo is not real Amer warriors, but disguised Syrians or someone else

          There is an opinion that you owed me the N-th amount, but this does not mean that you really owe it, because the facts are stubborn things, and the opinion is a variable value.
          1. fero
            fero 3 September 2013 21: 37 New
            +1
            Well, when at least one Amer warrior is condemned for actions that undermine the morale of the army (or at least get fired from service with a big news pomp), then there will be facts, but for now we see only sheets of paper covering no one knows.
      4. yanus
        yanus 3 September 2013 21: 02 New
        0
        Quote: vaf
        It turns out the guys are not all .. "stupid", as according to M. Zadornov, but with their democracy. then they can generally say- "good, the bayonet to the ground, well, in the sense of the deck ... fought" stop

        I made the photo clickable so that I could enlarge and read it.

        Well, what does the picture have to do with the statement of the Syrian army in the style of "we are brothers in arms, soaked al-Qaeda together, don’t wet us" and some "muddy" pictures?
        Do not flatter yourself, if the "marines" are ordered, they will trample on Syria as nice. They are not particularly used to thinking.
    5. honest jew
      honest jew 3 September 2013 20: 22 New
      -14
      All anti-American comments can be described as follows: "Dogs bark, the caravan is coming!" . The most interesting thing is that everything here is for Syria, for Assad, but did anyone of you do anything for Syria? Maybe they sent money or enlisted in the Syrian army as volunteers? No!!! As the saying goes: "Everyone imagines himself a strategist seeing the battle from the outside!" . And at the expense of America, the latest opinion poll showed that 59 percent of Russians dream of living in America!
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 3 September 2013 20: 34 New
        +7
        Quote: honest Jew
        but did any of you do anything for Syria
        First of all, start with yourself, otherwise it turns out that we are all so fucked up here, and you're all in white.
        Quote: honest Jew
        And at the expense of America, the latest opinion poll showed that 59 percent of Russians dream of living in America!
        if you are nobody, and you haven’t become anyone in your homeland, then in America you will be just as empty a place!
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 3 September 2013 21: 26 New
          +3
          Quote: Alex 241
          if you are nobody, and you haven’t become anyone in your homeland, then in America you will be just as empty a place!

          Sasha hi ! laughing! That you gave a soft forecast for the future of American citizenship from scratch wink .
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 3 September 2013 21: 39 New
            +2
            ...............
      2. Tersky
        Tersky 3 September 2013 20: 42 New
        +4
        Quote: honest Jew
        Maybe they sent money or enlisted in the Syrian army as volunteers?
        It’s enough that all the assistance provided to Syria by Russia is paid by taxes of its citizens
        Quote: honest Jew
        All anti-American comments can be described as follows: "Dogs bark, the caravan is coming!"
        Dogs, as I understand it, according to your users of the VO site? After all, comments are of users and not abstract persons.
        Quote: honest Jew
        The latest opinion poll showed that 59 percent of Russians dream of living in America!
        The survey who conducted the "Labuda Center"?
      3. alekseinew
        alekseinew 3 September 2013 20: 43 New
        +5
        and also probably your 59% of Russians want to hit the wall head against the wall, all your opinion polls bought !!!!!
      4. gispanec
        gispanec 3 September 2013 21: 31 New
        +8
        Quote: honest Jew
        And at the expense of America, the latest opinion poll showed that 59 percent of Russians dream of living in America!

        I’m embarrassed to ask .... and the remaining 41% in Israel probably ?? ...... the survey was carried out by the Jews? and where? ... neither I nor my 10 friends, nor my family was interviewed by anyone ....
        1. alone
          alone 3 September 2013 22: 55 New
          +3
          wassat probably the survey was conducted among LGBT people)))
        2. Arabist
          Arabist 3 September 2013 22: 57 New
          +1
          It’s as if you yourself do not know that an honest Jew is as real as an Essessian Jew.
      5. VAF
        VAF 3 September 2013 21: 39 New
        +6
        Quote: honest Jew
        And at the expense of America, the latest opinion poll showed that 59 percent of Russians dream of living in America!


        Sure, dear, I apologize for "my French" as a "gray gelding"! soldier
      6. Petrix
        Petrix 4 September 2013 10: 53 New
        0
        Quote: honest Jew
        but did any of you make anything for Syria?

        The people here are sensible and understand what the problem of Syria is. And this is not the lack of money or soldiers. This is a lie and propaganda from the USA and other countries justifying their treachery. And let the West not be in a hurry to hang the winner’s crown from these comments.
      7. MG42
        MG42 5 September 2013 00: 27 New
        +2
        Quote: honest Jew
        . And at the expense of America, the latest opinion poll showed that 59 percent of Russians dream of living in America!

        Such a trend was newfangled in some circles in the late times of perestroika and post-perestroika time = romanticism is good where we are not max. The beginning of the 90s was hooked .. fellow
        I recalled the then hit on this topic now under the heading <retro> laughing

        Combination American boy 1989

        As for the present tense = now I think that you are cunning ..
  2. rugor
    rugor 3 September 2013 15: 05 New
    11
    So much for the Nobel Peace Prize in advance !!!!
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 3 September 2013 15: 14 New
      13
      Quote: rugor
      Here you have the Nobel Peace Prize in advance


      rather, the Nobel Prize for war, or rather.
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 3 September 2013 15: 45 New
        +6
        Quote: Apollon
        rather, the Nobel Prize for war, or rather.

        Apollon hi ! There is also a Nobel Prize for the most dirty and vile betrayal of the country. I will not call Laureth - a rather well-known figure, comparable in deed to Judas ...
        1. alone
          alone 3 September 2013 17: 11 New
          +5
          you don’t confuse any hunchbacked bear. I have traced the viper so that we will never forget.
  3. il grand casino
    il grand casino 3 September 2013 15: 06 New
    +8
    The Red Sea, of course, has a very beautiful underwater world ... and it's a pity to spoil it ... but if it had been spoiled by a large piece of iron (like Nimitz) ... I would not be very upset.
    P.S. Reptiles are sliding ...
    1. domovoi
      domovoi 3 September 2013 15: 17 New
      +2
      I remember you on one of the branches sang the serenades of the miraculous army of Israel. and now call them bastards (the United States is their main ally, by the way), because Israel had a hand in the current situation. decide already ...
      1. il grand casino
        il grand casino 3 September 2013 15: 22 New
        10
        You have mine paranoia. I argued that we need to learn from the experience of foreign armies. If you do not agree, your will. Throw the link where there are "serenades".
        P.S. The fact that the IDF is one of the most warring armies and from them everything else that I learn, I affirm now. The fact that I like US politics or Israel ... I don’t remember what I would say once
        1. domovoi
          domovoi 3 September 2013 16: 51 New
          +2
          http://topwar.ru/32532-kak-cahal-nahodit-propavshih-bez-vesti-soldat.html в этой статье о перенимании опыта Россией - ни слова. вы же пели в одну дудку с евреями, поддакивая им. где вы были когда они начали свои песни о ситуации в сирии, про кровавого асада?
          1. il grand casino
            il grand casino 3 September 2013 17: 41 New
            +1
            Here is a moto quote from there:
            "And yet the future for UAVs ... well done, those armies and governments that understand and develop this"

            "Do not touch the jeans, it's sacred))) Like rock and roll))) Although you can refuse cola, kvass is better)))"

            "If the text contains the word Israel and it does not stand next to the words" damned "," fascist ", etc. That is all propaganda)))"

            "The Israeli army from the moment of its foundation did not stop hostilities even once ... military operations take place somewhere every day. This is a fact. This makes it one of the most belligerents. And it’s an ass to lick ... well, if someone likes it ... various sexual perversions ... here you remembered about them ... I would not even have thought, the right word

            "Yes, it’s to blame that you understand the article ... I understand it this way - the IDF has something to learn and what to adopt in order to make the Russian army better ... if you really like Israel that:
            Quote: Native American Joe
            once again strengthened the view that Israel is the most Israeli Israel in the world

            THAT is your problem ... most of those present here don’t think so ... donkeys they certainly know how to think "

            There were a couple more, but they were off topic at all ... I don’t know what others sang, I expressed my point of view. And where are the serinades in America and Israel? The IDF is mentioned. So an article about him)))
            1. domovoi
              domovoi 3 September 2013 18: 04 New
              0
              Once again, your position as a whole was on the side of the Jews. no one even hinted at the adoption of experience - not a word about him in the article. Well, your expression "And where is the serinade of America and Israel? Mentioned the IDF" - generally gorgeous. that is, we condemn Israel, but well done? you don’t know, apparently, the IDF is directly subordinate to the policies of Israel and is a means of promoting the policy of Jews in the region. you set your tongue as an example, praise, speak on the same side with the Jews - respectively, you agree with their actions. it's like praising the us army but condemning washington fool
              1. il grand casino
                il grand casino 3 September 2013 18: 18 New
                0
                The Wehrmacht obeyed the Führer ... but for some reason the whole world adopted from them many tactical and strategic aspects. I remember in my youth I studied the theory of quantitative logistics ... the following was written there: with the help of method X, firm Y increased the quality of planning by so many percent. It wasn’t anywhere that other companies should do the same ... but everyone adopted this experience. Or are you waiting while they write LIVE!
                P.S. In the same thread people from different countries left comments ... everyone understood the meaning. Only you around something chyudu laughing
                P.S.S. And you can learn a lot from the US Army. And if you don’t understand this ... then fool
                1. domovoi
                  domovoi 3 September 2013 19: 07 New
                  0
                  so the question is - to adopt successful experience is a good thing. but, if you remember, the whole conversation began because of my opinion about too many articles about Israel. and it just smells not of an example of successful experience, but just propaganda. since you mentioned the Wehrmacht - this is similar to the German propaganda of the outbreak of war - they say what kind of army we have, and you have shit.
    2. Taoist
      Taoist 3 September 2013 17: 04 New
      +3
      And I love the "river" ... A good object would be for divers, no worse than the "Tisselgorm" bully
  4. alekseinew
    alekseinew 3 September 2013 15: 08 New
    +2
    well, no matter how geeks calm down
  5. slavik_gross
    slavik_gross 3 September 2013 15: 10 New
    +7
    Here She is The Purpose for the "Yakhont" !!! am
    1. alekseinew
      alekseinew 3 September 2013 15: 13 New
      +4
      sorry do not reach, these cowardly jackals do not fit, will peck from far
    2. DEfindER
      DEfindER 3 September 2013 15: 39 New
      +8
      Quote: slavik_gross
      Here She is The Purpose for the "Yakhont" !!!

      Amers now need a provocation, as with Vietnam, they’ll put some old trough to the bottom and blame Assad, or they will drown their airplane, but anything can be found as an excuse. And if the Syrians make Nimitz Yakhontov, then I’m afraid there will be a second Hiroshima in Damascus ... nothing will stop these bloodthirsty villains.
    3. alone
      alone 3 September 2013 17: 12 New
      +2
      Do you think they are stupid to come so close?))
  6. IRBIS
    IRBIS 3 September 2013 15: 12 New
    +1
    Here it is numbered by graduates of a madhouse ... Madmen!
  7. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 3 September 2013 15: 13 New
    0
    maybe in a cube a couple of submarines with strategists are going to surface? so that everything happens quickly! Pump the devils
  8. Alikovo
    Alikovo 3 September 2013 15: 13 New
    +2
    why they don’t sit at their bases at home.
  9. slavik_gross
    slavik_gross 3 September 2013 15: 16 New
    +1
    We hope that now all the strategic nuclear submarines where necessary !!!
    1. Oskar
      Oskar 3 September 2013 15: 33 New
      -3
      That is unlikely...
  10. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 3 September 2013 15: 18 New
    +3
    Such an armada was caught up on small Syria ... they are still afraid (and not in vain ..)
    1. p-159
      p-159 3 September 2013 17: 57 New
      +2
      supreme cute smiled when asked whether they will attack
  11. Santa Fe
    Santa Fe 3 September 2013 15: 22 New
    19
    I read your comments and fucking awesome from your naivety, gentlemen

    Quote: Canep
    Atomic Peacekeeper

    Quote: il grand casino
    Reptiles are sliding ..

    What nonsense are you talking about, dear ones. The scarecrow CVN-68 came to the Red Sea, and you, you already got excited, as if the war would begin tomorrow. Nimitz fuck there is not needed (as in other things and everywhere), he does not solve anything in the Mediterranean Sea and does not depend on him. This is an ordinary American scarecrow, designed for the townsfolk and the media sensationalist
    Preparations for war are being conducted in completely different areas and the attack will be on the other side.


    Large US Air Force Airbase Incirlik (Turkey)


    The Yankees have control over the entire infrastructure of Iraq, there is an opportunity to deploy aircraft in Jordan, perhaps the participation of the Israeli Air Force
    Hundreds, if not thousands of combat aircraft and turntables - what in this case means 40-50 Nimitz sub-aircraft? Nothing!

    Take a look at the map: what is the main threat area? Iraq, Turkey, Jordan or 150 km "strip" of the sea?
    1. il grand casino
      il grand casino 3 September 2013 15: 27 New
      0
      By the way, Ms. Merkel in her statement recently mentioned that Germany would not participate in this mess. If German pilots invaded Syria (there are a lot of them in the USA) and the patriots ’calculations in Turkey will be immediately sent to their homeland. Although maybe it just blurted out before the election.
    2. experienced
      experienced 3 September 2013 15: 35 New
      +9
      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
      I read your comments and fucking awesome from your naivety, gentlemen


      Oleg, and do you think the Americans decided to organize a cruise for the sailors for good service?
      The forces pull together and this is visible, but what function will it perform and where the main strikes will be from is another question hi
    3. aviator_IAS
      aviator_IAS 3 September 2013 15: 46 New
      +2
      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
      What nonsense are you talking about, dear ones. The scarecrow CVN-68 came to the Red Sea, and you, you already got excited, as if the war would begin tomorrow. Nimitz fuck there is not needed (as in other things and everywhere), he does not solve anything in the Mediterranean Sea and does not depend on him. This is an ordinary American scarecrow, designed for the townsfolk and the media sensationalist
      Preparations for war are being conducted in completely different areas and the attack will be on the other side.


      Naturally! Moreover, this is confirmed by the experience of all previous attacks. The capabilities of the carrier group are a drop in the bucket of the total forces in the region.
    4. MG42
      MG42 3 September 2013 15: 54 New
      +9
      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
      What nonsense are you talking about, dear ones. The scarecrow came to the Red Sea CVN-68

      Not tired of posting the same crap that aircraft carriers are not needed? Well, for some reason, all the time they participate in evil operations .. laughing
      1. experienced
        experienced 3 September 2013 15: 57 New
        +6
        Quote: MG42
        Not tired of posting the same crap that aircraft carriers are not needed? Well, for some reason, all the time they participate in evil operations ..

        I would also remind you that, unlike a scarecrow, an aircraft carrier can itself "dig up the entire field with the harvest." A scarecrow is a non-dangerous scarecrow, but here a “scarecrow” with an escort and an air wing ...
        Again AWACS aircraft winked
        1. MG42
          MG42 3 September 2013 16: 02 New
          10
          Quote: seasoned
          A scarecrow is a non-dangerous scarecrow, and then a “scarecrow” with an escort and an air wing ...

          It will begin now that it is not economically profitable, the number of sorties from an aircraft carrier and from bases, etc. Only the printing machine is there as much as needed and will be printed >>
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 3 September 2013 16: 26 New
            +2
            Quote: MG42
            It will begin now that it is not economically profitable, the number of sorties from an aircraft carrier and from bases, etc. Only the printing machine is there as much as needed and will be printed >>

            And by the way, in October, a new hundred-dollar bill is introduced into circulation. Why would it be?
            All at one time .....
            1. MG42
              MG42 3 September 2013 16: 35 New
              +2
              Quote: baltika-18
              And by the way, in October, a new hundred-dollar bill is introduced into circulation. Why would it be?

              Putting new notes into circulation does not cancel old ones will be gradually withdrawn from circulation ..
              A blue 3-D strip will appear on the banknote, on which the bell and the number 100 will be displayed. On this ribbon with holograms, in addition to the drawing of the Liberty Bell, one of the symbols of US independence, a copper ink tank will be displayed. When the banknote is tilted at a certain angle, the ink tank will change color to green, and the bell will disappear. Only the portrait of Benjamin Franklin, one of the founding fathers of the United States, will remain unchanged.

              All these innovations increased the cost of producing notes from 11 to 14 cents. But the US Federal Reserve is forced to make such expenses, as it is faced with the need to increase the protection of banknotes from counterfeiters. At the moment, the production of old counterfeit notes, made with extraordinary precision, continues.

              According to US law enforcement, their production is concentrated in North Korea. lol The ordinary eye cannot distinguish these notes from real ones; professional expertise is required. According to the US Secret Service, an agency that monitors the purity of the American currency, there are not many counterfeit dollars in circulation, only a fraction of a percent. But high-precision fakes from across the ocean continue to arrive in the country.

              http://zn.ua/ECONOMICS/v-oktyabre-ssha-vypustyat-novuyu-100-dollarovuyu-kupyuru-


              128381_.html
        2. Santa Fe
          Santa Fe 3 September 2013 16: 34 New
          +1
          Quote: seasoned
          unlike the scarecrow, an aircraft carrier can itself "dig up the whole field with the harvest"

          Yes?
          And what did they not dig in Kuwait in 1990? stood, waited half a year until 2000 air force planes gathered
          Quote: seasoned
          Again AWACS aircraft

          The Air Force certainly doesn’t have them
          1. experienced
            experienced 3 September 2013 16: 40 New
            0
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            Yes? And what did they not dig in Kuwait in 1990? stood, waited half a year until 2000 air force planes gathered

            Well, it starts again ... Amer sometimes try not to rush with his help, well, as an example, the opening of the Second Front in WWII ... Sometimes, the more an ally suffers, the more devoted he will be for the help rendered, well, and the enemy will also be damaged all this time bears. So, if the aircraft carriers were a “scarecrow” they would have been sent “on needles” long ago ... Everyone knows how to count money.
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            The Air Force certainly doesn’t have them

            There are never a lot of AWACS hi Tighter control will be.
            1. Santa Fe
              Santa Fe 3 September 2013 17: 18 New
              -4
              Quote: seasoned
              Amer sometimes try not to rush with his help, well, as an example, the opening of the Second Front in WWII ...

              And here it is ??
              WWII Yankees were waiting for the Wehrmacht to grind its teeth about the USSR
              Iraq didn’t fight with anyone in 1990 - it was only expanding its group in occupied Kuwait
              It was necessary to strike as quickly as possible, not allowing Hussein's troops to finally gain a foothold and impede the deployment of enemy forces

              Alas, the AUGs stood and waited. Because they knew: they would turn up - they would get on the forehead, but they would not stop the advance for a second. Thousands of Air Force combat vehicles from 40 countries of the world were needed, and not 2-3-4-5 pelvis with 50 aircraft

              ps the transfer of amer troops to the gulf region began in August 1990 - six months before the operation
              Quote: seasoned
              There are never a lot of AWACS

              What prevents the placement of 4 small AWAKSA (Hawkai) on the coastal bases?
              1. experienced
                experienced 3 September 2013 17: 25 New
                +7
                Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                And here it is ??

                The argument is about nothing. You are trying to prove that the aircraft carrier was just a “scarecrow”, I am trying to prove to you that the AUG is a serious force to be reckoned with. In the USSR, tactics of combating AUGs were worked out and forces were envisaged for this, and it was assumed that the losses would not be small ... Do you think the undergraduates were in the General Staff of the USSR?
                The war in Kuwait is a separate issue. There, the Yankees themselves and the Yankees incited, however, this is a separate issue that is not related to this topic.
                The fact that Americans love to pile up in a flock is no secret to anyone, hence the expectation and negotiations with the allies.
                I stop all the argument, as hopeless. hi There has already been a lot of controversy on the site about the sinking of the AUG and what it will cost, I don’t see the point of translating the topic into another “serial” argument hi
                1. Kars
                  Kars 3 September 2013 17: 43 New
                  +4
                  Quote: seasoned
                  I’m trying to prove to you that AUG is a serious force to be reckoned with.

                  In this case, it is the SCARROW and nothing else. The pressure element.
                  Quote: seasoned
                  . In the USSR, tactics of combating the AUGs were worked out and forces were envisaged for this, and it was assumed that the losses would not be small ... Do you think the dropouts were in the General Staff of the USSR?

                  Well, what can I say the USSR is a global war, but unfortunately the projects to combat the AUGs were a waste of time, although one cannot recognize that the AUG as a defender of transoceanic convoys was more significant for the USSR than striking power against the coastal objects of the continental USSR.
                  1. Santa Fe
                    Santa Fe 3 September 2013 17: 51 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Kars
                    Although one cannot recognize that the AUG as a defender of transoceanic convoys was more significant for the USSR than striking power against the coastal objects of the continental USSR.

                    What and where are you going to carry after the thermonuclear war?

                    Even in Clancy’s version, it wouldn’t solve anything, the tanks will get to Rotterdam, Hamburg and Lisbon much faster than American weapons transports
                    1. Kars
                      Kars 3 September 2013 18: 02 New
                      +2
                      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                      What and where are you going to carry after the thermonuclear war?

                      Well, thermonuclear war, that’s said too much. About Clancy, he’s the storyteller.
                      I can also come up with a couple of tales - about missile defense systems that will change the totality of nuclear war, about nuclear special forces that will blow up mines with ICBMs, about the lack of determination to press a button.

                      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                      tanks get to Rotterdam, Hamburg and Lisbon much faster than American weapons transports
                      Well, this is only on the maps of Soviet marshals, and there already as a card will fall.
                      1. Santa Fe
                        Santa Fe 3 September 2013 18: 11 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Kars
                        Well, this is only on the maps of Soviet marshals, and there already as a card will fall.

                        In any case, tanks and SA will be in close proximity to the English Channel and the North. seas faster than the Yankees have time to collect, load and deliver serious reinforcements

                        Secondly, there is no need to catch transports in the open ocean, they somehow crawl to the shore, on which there is a tough battle

                        Thirdly, if you imagine that the Yankees will start to bring equipment and weapons in advance ... then what role will the AUGs play? Who would dare to strike in peacetime?

                        Fourth, where does the AUG need anti-submarine frigates Perry and FRAM?
                      2. Kars
                        Kars 3 September 2013 18: 17 New
                        +1
                        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                        In any case, tanks and SA will be in close proximity to the English Channel and the North. seas faster than the Yankees have time to collect, load and deliver serious reinforcements

                        Well, ships can be loaded and begin the journey to the first shot. We cannot imagine that the USSR will be the first to attack, unexpectedly, and so on.
                        Both the English Channel and the North Sea do not limit possible theaters of operations.

                        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                        Secondly, there is no need to catch transports in the open ocean, they somehow crawl to the shore, on which there is a tough battle
                        in general, it’s the most delicious thing to catch a convoy in the sea, when it’s lucky it can’t bite. Moreover, every tall tank or infantryman will throw firewood into a cruel battle.


                        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                        Thirdly, if you imagine that the Yankees will start to bring equipment and weapons in advance ... then what role will the AUGs play? Who would dare to strike in peacetime?

                        The one who got involved in the war
                        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                        fourth, where does the AUG need anti-submarine frigates Perry and FRAM?

                        These are also not a hindrance, and the aircraft carrier will still be out of place. It is hard for him to refuse effectiveness in the middle of the ocean.
                      3. Santa Fe
                        Santa Fe 3 September 2013 18: 29 New
                        -2
                        Quote: Kars
                        Well, ships can be loaded and begin the journey to the first shot. We cannot imagine that the USSR will be the first to attack, unexpectedly, and so on.

                        third item
                        Then where does the AUG? transports follow alone in peacetime
                        Quote: Kars
                        Both the English Channel and the North Sea do not limit possible theaters of operations.

                        Again Saxophone, Barack and the landing in Cape Town))
                        Quote: Kars
                        it's the most delicious catch convoy in the sea

                        What am I talking about?
                        Offshore, he will fall into the area of ​​the Air Force
                        Quote: Kars
                        Here it is hard for him to refuse effectiveness in the middle of the ocean.

                        Where could an air enemy come from in the middle of the ocean?
                        Tu-22M with missiles will not reach
                        Tu-95? it will knock down an air defense convoy
                        + fighter barriers from the airfields of Norway, Iceland and the Faroe Islands

                        After all, Nimitz is not needed for such scenarios. Enough for the eyes of a ship the size of Arc Royal or Midway
                      4. Kars
                        Kars 3 September 2013 18: 38 New
                        +1
                        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                        ? transports follow alone in peacetime

                        This is not a time of peace. After the start of mobilization - you can’t hide it from separation.
                        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                        Again Saxophone, Barack and the landing in Cape Town))

                        Cape Town Casablanca, Castile,
                        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                        Offshore, he will fall into the area of ​​the Air Force

                        And why in your equation the coast is hostile to the AUG, and there the alliance troops have not dug in and do not provide air defense.
                        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                        Where could an air enemy come from in the middle of the ocean?

                        Well, why exactly the planes? And the SSSR cruisers? Destroyers of the submarine. Why did the USSR keep its squadrons at the devil's pockets.
                        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                        After all, Nimitz is not needed for such scenarios. Enough for the eyes of a ship the size of Arc Royal or Midway
                        Nimitz may not be needed, but it was built and it looks cooler.
                      5. Santa Fe
                        Santa Fe 3 September 2013 18: 51 New
                        -5
                        Quote: Kars
                        And why in your equation the coast is hostile to the AUG, and there the alliance troops have not dug in and do not provide air defense.

                        “Shore” is a narrow strip between advancing tank wedges and the cold sea.
                        In my opinion, the situation is good enough to drown transports crawling towards La Rochelle with the help of the Su-17
                        Quote: Kars
                        And the cruisers of the USSR? Destroyers

                        Dying under the blows of Los Angeles
                        Like once Japanese squadrons
                        Quote: Kars
                        submarines

                        AUG here with?
                        Quote: Kars
                        Why did the USSR keep its squadrons on the hell on pies.

                        So that airplanes from Sigonella, Souda Bay and the Spanish Company sunk them in a minute
                        Quote: Kars
                        and he looks cooler.

                        San Diego Midway is no less magnificent
                      6. Kars
                        Kars 3 September 2013 18: 57 New
                        +3
                        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                        “Shore” is a narrow strip between advancing tank wedges and the cold sea.

                        It is possible that the narrowness in km 300-400
                        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                        Dying under the blows of Los Angeles

                        Well, this is a difficult combination, who will die from whom, whether they will be able to break through to transport, etc.
                        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                        AUG here with?

                        So just in case, the Vikings are there, Hokai and so on.
                        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                        So that airplanes from Sigonella, Souda Bay and the Spanish Company sunk them in a minute

                        Well, is that really all ocean bases?
                        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                        San Diego Midway is no less magnificent
                        It’s not for me to judge, but isn’t Nimitz about the same thing, just me as a nuclear reactor?
                      7. Santa Fe
                        Santa Fe 3 September 2013 19: 17 New
                        0
                        Quote: Kars
                        It is possible that the narrowness in km 300-400

                        Tu-22M
                        MiG-25RB
                        Quote: Kars
                        Well, this is a difficult combination, who will die from whom, whether they will be able to break through to transport, etc.

                        Well, this is complicated - 38 stagens, 62 moose + allies
                        and this is against a dozen RRC Navy of the USSR
                        Quote: Kars
                        So just in case, the Vikings are there, Hokai and so on.

                        Oh well, there are a lot of basic Orions, each destroyer has a pair of turntables
                        Quote: Kars
                        Well, is that really all ocean bases?

                        Transfer?)))
                        Quote: Kars
                        It’s not for me to judge, but isn’t Nimitz about the same thing, just me as a nuclear reactor?

                        It seems not. It is a little shorter and much narrower (in / and 60 000 tons), 2 catapults instead of 4 on the nimitz, 3 elevators instead of 4, it’s easier to radar and the whole stuffing, ordinary GEM
                      8. Kars
                        Kars 3 September 2013 19: 44 New
                        +1
                        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                        Tu-22M
                        MiG-25RB

                        Well, you yourself remember the NATO and US fighter interceptors, I'm not special.
                        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                        Well, this is complicated - 38 stagens, 62 moose + allies
                        and this is against a dozen RRC Navy of the USSR

                        But why write off Soviet submarines? There will be such a mess, especially if, in anticipation of a big boom, all-inclusive diesel engines will receive special ammunition.
                        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                        Oh well, there are a lot of basic Orions, each destroyer has a pair of turntables

                        Then I don’t know, maybe not enough,
                        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                        Transfer?)))

                        If you want, it’s just not the fact that at that moment no matter how brave the special forces will not plant a nuclear mine.
                        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                        It seems not. It is a little shorter and much narrower (in / and 60 000 tons), 2 catapults instead of 4 on the nimitz, 3 elevators instead of 4, it’s easier to radar and the whole stuffing, ordinary GEM

                        Simply put, it’s about the same thing, only a little more and even more so with the Nuclear Reactor, then it was fashionable. Even a couple of merchant ships were equipped with a nuclear power plant.
                      9. Santa Fe
                        Santa Fe 3 September 2013 20: 12 New
                        0
                        Quote: Kars
                        Well, you yourself remember the NATO and US fighter interceptors, I'm not special.

                        MiG Escort

                        ha! ... mining of ports and unloading places
                        Quote: Kars
                        But why write off Soviet submarines? There will be such a mess, especially if, in anticipation of a big boom, all-inclusive diesel engines will receive special ammunition.

                        AUG is to do with it?)))
                        Quote: Kars
                        If you want, it’s just not the fact that at that moment no matter how brave the special forces will not plant a nuclear mine.

                        If nuclear weapons are used, not far from trouble. Even if 10% of warheads erupt on each side, there will be a star and the death of all living things from radiation and the cold of eternal winter
                        Quote: Kars
                        Simply put, it’s about the same thing, just a little more

                        And several times more expensive. And most importantly - fuck 10 ??? + 10 old people Midway, Kittihokov, etc.
                        The Yankees at the Reagan window went roof
                        Quote: Kars
                        Even a couple of three merchant ships were equipped with a nuclear power plant.

                        That was before, before the Nimitsev. 1960s
                        American Savannah, German Otto Gan, Japanese Mutsu
                  2. Ducksar
                    Ducksar 3 September 2013 19: 46 New
                    +1
                    ahah I’ll write not in the subject, but I registered on the site because of these two people .. more precisely because of their disputes)) are so infectious
        3. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 3 September 2013 22: 57 New
          +4
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          there is no need to catch transports in the open ocean, they somehow crawl to the shore, on which there is a tough battle

          Oleg, a writer and historian of the fleet, you are good, but a tactician and operator have not yet grown out of you. This is by the way, no offense! And then they cost me 50% rating. (joke!)
          On business. Convoy (KON) or landing squad (DesO) at sea is guarded by a mobile PLO zone (PLC, AB PLO, BPA, pla). At the passage by the sea, you can find holes in the defense, to connect part of the forces with the battle, etc. TR, DC will remain unprotected, you can attack the KR, TO, even Mine weapons. There is TIME to complete the task of routing KOH, DesO (disruption of transportation). When approaching the landing zone, a ZONE (!) PLO of the landing is created, the forces of the OVR base are operating: GAS, MO, KPUGi, UAV, and so on - everything is massed in a limited area of ​​the water area, usually shallow for submarine operations. Do you catch the difference? And then: there is no reserve TIME for a long fire impact on the ships KON, DesO.
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          where does AUG if you need anti-submarine frigates Perry and FRAM?

          Yes, they are needed. But the AVU will easily turn (if necessary) into the Protilodochny (and why not !?), if you put on it 2 of the Viking detachment, a bunch of Sea King and other equipment of the LEMPS-3 system, with a bunch of GABs, anti-submarine av. torpedoes.
        4. experienced
          experienced 3 September 2013 23: 03 New
          +1
          Quote: BoA KAA
          Oleg, a writer and historian of the fleet, you are good, but a tactician and operator have not yet grown out of you. This is by the way, no offense! And then they cost me 50% rating. (joke!)

          Alexander, hi Well, just the "top ten"! I noticed a long time ago that we have a lot of thoughts coinciding, but this expression is yours just 100% with mine drinks
          He writes well and knows how to select materials, but as he "rests" in front of the "new gate", it is just right to get away from disputes request
        5. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 4 September 2013 01: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: seasoned
          He writes well and knows how to select materials, but as he "rests" in front of the "new gate", it is just right to get away from disputes

          Alexey, I read Oleg's comments down the line. You know, you (you can call a like-minded person to "you"?) Are absolutely right. These are costs ... of character. Plus high self-esteem (grief from the mind). I think he will forgive us for this friendly criticism. IMHO.
      2. Santa Fe
        Santa Fe 4 September 2013 00: 23 New
        0
        Quote: BoA KAA
        And then they cost me 50% of the rating. (joke!)

        I have not yet entered such power. NEMA rating)))
        Quote: BoA KAA
        guarded by a mobile PLO zone (PLC, AV PLO, BPA, PL)

        What does Nimitz have to do with it?

        Here, ships with GAS and PLUR are required, basic Orions are needed, LAMPS III turntables are needed (a pair on each Burke, Spruence and Perry)
        Quote: BoA KAA
        When approaching the landing zone, a ZONE (!) Landing PLO is created

        What does Nimitz have to do with it?
        Quote: BoA KAA
        But the AVU will easily turn (if necessary) into the Protilodochny (and why not !?) if 2 Viking detachments, a bunch of Sea King and other equipment of the LEMPS-3 system, with a bunch of GABs, anti-submarine av. torpedoes.

        Any destroyer or frigate can do this.
        Viking - what does it matter in a situation where the sky is buzzing from the Nimrods and Orions

        Moreover, they have not yet come up with anything more reliable than GAS with PLUR. The same helicopter - Andrei Chelyabinets mentioned that the limit of use of a helicopter with "nozzles" in a storm is 5 points (which, however, is logical - hydroacoustic is a whimsical thing). And 5 points in the Atlantic are regular
  12. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 3 September 2013 22: 27 New
    +3
    Quote: Kars
    .About Clancy - this is the storyteller.

    I agree. But “Red Storm” (another name is “Red Tide”), according to a fragment of the defeat of the NATO AUS (USA + France), Klensy wrote according to documents obtained from our General Staff. The same tactics were laid in the stimulator, which trained the cadets of Anapolis. So, a fairy tale is a lie, but there is a hint in it, to good fellows is a lesson!
  • Pimply
    Pimply 3 September 2013 21: 03 New
    +4
    Quote: Kars
    In this case, it is the SCARROW and nothing else. The pressure element.

    Here, Andrey, I would argue. This is an effective lever for projecting the force, its strengthening, the command center.
    1. Kars
      Kars 3 September 2013 21: 06 New
      +2
      Quote: Pimply
      It is an effective force projection lever.

      The same eggs look in profile - projecting force == scarecrow.
      Quote: Pimply
      command center

      if I’m not mistaken, a command center has already arrived in Turkey.
    2. Alex 241
      Alex 241 3 September 2013 21: 12 New
      +1
      Zhen here, I agree with Kars.
  • p-159
    p-159 3 September 2013 18: 01 New
    0
    probably no 40 tanks is a threat and 0000 planes are not. well, tanks hit planes when they are at the airport
  • Pimply
    Pimply 3 September 2013 21: 02 New
    +5
    Oleg, as always, excludes the aircraft carrier from everything - from the aircraft carrier group, from the flexibility of using and strengthening the group, from the fact that it is the command and organizational center, and presents it as a kind of abandoned and abandoned unit
    1. Santa Fe
      Santa Fe 4 September 2013 00: 30 New
      -1
      Quote: Pimply
      from the carrier group

      Where did you, Zhenya, see me giving up on Berks and submarines.
      They are needed, they are and always will be, and we are discussing the carrier wafer
      Quote: Pimply
      he is the command and organizational center

      Well it is necessary.
      A handful of staff can’t work in the AJC destroyer BIC, give them an aircraft carrier 100 tons!

      Aegis Cruiser Ticonderoga
  • aviator_IAS
    aviator_IAS 3 September 2013 22: 18 New
    0
    Quote: seasoned
    I would also remind you that, unlike a scarecrow, an aircraft carrier can itself "dig up the entire field with the harvest." A scarecrow is a non-dangerous scarecrow, but here a “scarecrow” with an escort and an air wing ...
    Again AWACS aircraft winked


    Maybe of course. But they work mainly with air bases. It is corny cheaper and simpler. A lot of reasons. And the strike group take off, pack up much faster. And the supply of ammunition and fuel without troubles. Characteristics of AWACS can be google. In aircraft carriers, patrol times (without refueling) are three times less, and in terms of target detection range they are also naturally inferior.
    1. MG42
      MG42 3 September 2013 22: 33 New
      +3
      Quote: aviator_IAS
      Trite cheaper and easier

      Bases are rented from foreign countries. The airspace above their territory may be closed.
      AUG just power projection if the <intractable sheikh> refuses to provide his territory <open the sky>, in addition neutral waters that’s why the "neutral" ones do not interfere in launching the tomahawks from the destroyers into the combat zone, the air wing just not only strikes, but also covers the ships if the air wing was raised, the aircraft carrier = scarecrow completed the task ..
      AUGs are self-sufficient, in addition, an AUS can be created in case of war, there are still a couple of submarines of hunters in the squad ..

      And to consider green candy wrappers in the bottomless pockets of Uncle Sam = smut they only need to once again raise the bar of their public debt

      Start <tomahawks> with the American destroyer
    2. Santa Fe
      Santa Fe 4 September 2013 00: 33 New
      0
      Quote: aviator_IAS
      Characteristics of AWACS can be google. In aircraft carriers, patrol times (without refueling) are three times less, and in terms of target detection range they are also naturally inferior.

      The mass of electronics on board the E-3 Sentry EXCEEDs the take-off mass of the deck Hawke

      Sentry's crew includes 20-30 operators and liaison officers. E-2 Hawkai - 3 operators
  • Santa Fe
    Santa Fe 3 September 2013 16: 29 New
    -4
    And why did you start up like that, immediately post 2 comments?)) And in each he told trivial nonsense from advertising booklets and the Discovery channel
    Quote: MG42
    Well, for some reason, all the time they participate in evil operations ..

    You probably wanted to say: they come to gawk and wave their little fists
    1. MG42
      MG42 3 September 2013 16: 52 New
      +5
      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
      Why are you so wound up

      I do not, it seemed sweet to you laughing
      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
      2 comments posted?)

      Four on this thread, now 5 ..
      Quote: seasoned
      And in each he told trivial nonsense from advertising booklets and the Discovery channel

      Along the way, only you started up with stupid things from Disneyland ..
      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
      You probably wanted to say: they come to gawk and wave their little fists

      Yes, the AUG <small cams>, there are no comments ..
      1. Santa Fe
        Santa Fe 3 September 2013 17: 10 New
        0
        Quote: MG42
        Four on this thread, now 5 ..

        Naughty boy under the window
        Smeared the entire wall gov by
        Teenage pranks
        Although they smack them with a belt!
        Quote: MG42
        Yes, the AUG <small cams>, there are no comments ..

        The little beggar Iraq was beaten in six. Result - 17% of flights from the Coalition Air Force
        And Iraq, by the way, was never defeated - I had to finish it in 2003
        1. MG42
          MG42 3 September 2013 17: 27 New
          +7
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          Naughty boy under the window
          Gov smeared all over the wall
          Teenage pranks
          Although they smack them with a belt!

          You are not Lermontov, not Pushkin, but a simple poet Zvizdyushkin .. What is offended by the "sweet" Sweet? Sorry laughing just translated from English ..
          SIXTEEN is age?
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          The little beggar Iraq was beaten in six.

          Well, about the beggar of Iraq at that time, one can argue, Iraq is far from being a beggar in terms of oil reserves, but there were Hussein’s palaces with golden plumbing, the weapons are of course old ..
          The rest has already been discussed on another thread.
          The palace of Saddam Hussein is located on a hill, in the immediate vicinity of the ruins of Babylon. Numerous fountains and pools, beautiful views of the Tigris River, magnificent furniture inlaid with gold, gold-plated door handles and plumbing - all this makes the Palace of the former dictator an attractive investment destination.
        2. MG42
          MG42 4 September 2013 01: 51 New
          +1
          By the way, SWEET, you seem to be rummaging around in English, there is a song = baby happy birthday. laughing Everything is with captions .. >>
      2. p-159
        p-159 3 September 2013 18: 02 New
        0
        yes, probably
  • Odysseus
    Odysseus 3 September 2013 16: 10 New
    +7
    Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
    The Yankees have control over the entire infrastructure of Iraq, there is an opportunity to deploy aircraft in Jordan, perhaps the participation of the Israeli Air Force
    Hundreds, if not thousands of combat aircraft and turntables - what in this case means 40-50 Nimitz sub-aircraft? Nothing

    Iraq and Jordan have closed their airspace to attack Syria. The United States may spit on it, but it makes no sense. The blow will come from the sea, with axes, and from bases in Turkey.
    As for the AUG, the main striking force will be not the aircraft carrier itself, but its escort.
    1. Santa Fe
      Santa Fe 3 September 2013 16: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: Odyssey
      As for the AUG, the main striking force will be not the aircraft carrier itself, but its escort.

      not a fact

      USS Georgia and USS Florida arrived in the eastern part of the Mediterranean Sea - US Navy submarine rocket launchers, each carrying up to 22 Tomahawks in 154 launch mines

      http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/9098130/Explainer-How-the-US-would-atta

      ck-syria
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 3 September 2013 16: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        not a fact
        USS Georgia and USS Florida arrived in the eastern part of the Mediterranean Sea - US Navy submarine rocket launchers, each carrying up to 22 "Tomahawks in 154 launch mines

        No, I'm not talking about the Mediterranean group (everything is clear with her), I'm talking about the AUG. I don’t know if the Super Hornets will be used, but the tomahawks from the escort ships will definitely go.
        On the Turkish side, the Turks themselves and the planes from the Incirlika are most likely (although de Bouillon claims to be empty)
        Well, also the French from Djibouti and Abu Dhabi will be noted (although it is not entirely clear through whose airspace they will go).
        1. Santa Fe
          Santa Fe 3 September 2013 17: 05 New
          +1
          Quote: Odyssey
          I don’t know if they will use SuperHornets

          Will be. Only their contribution against the backdrop of the Air Force will be insignificant
          Quote: Odyssey
          but the tomahawks from escort ships will definitely go.

          In this sense, one Florida costs three Burke destroyers.
      2. Alex 241
        Alex 241 3 September 2013 17: 37 New
        0
        Oleg, if I’m not mistaken, these special operations control boats, with autonomous devices for landing sabotage groups.
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 3 September 2013 17: 45 New
          +1
          .....................................
        2. Santa Fe
          Santa Fe 3 September 2013 18: 15 New
          +1
          Quote: Alex 241
          Oleg, if I’m not mistaken, these special operations control boats, with autonomous devices for landing sabotage groups.

          Former SSBNs Ohio, Florida, Michigan, Georgia

          2 mines (lock chambers) for combat swimmers + Dry Deck Shelter + rooms for 6 dozens of special forces

          And Tomahawks, - 22 mines, 7 in each

          Gateway kilometer "Florida"
      3. Nayhas
        Nayhas 3 September 2013 19: 26 New
        +1
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        USS Georgia and USS Florida arrive in eastern Mediterranean

        Good afternoon Oleg, fighting again ... Honestly, it bothers me, do you need Nimitz for hell in the Red Sea? If you strike, then from the Mediterranean, will your shoulder be smaller?
        Now about the use of airfields. As far as I understand, Jordan did not allow the use of its sky, Israel is likely to be against it, so as not to incur unnecessary troubles on itself. Remains Turkey and Saudi Arabia. Those. in this case, aircraft carriers will not be redundant.
  • Strong
    Strong 3 September 2013 17: 32 New
    +3
    // if not thousands //

    Take it higher. Dr. Kaptsov, as always, is poetic.

    While no one was going to attract tactical aircraft. By cr. least the main organizer of the play is the USA.
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  • URAL72
    URAL72 3 September 2013 18: 00 New
    +3
    I think they won’t go through Iraq so as not to tempt Iran, but no one will ask Lebanon, there is no air defense at all ...
    But to Latakia and Damascus, just a stone's throw, and Assad has nothing more now ... A strike with cruise missiles from the sea is convenient both militarily and politically, but the air wing of the nemice can only be useful for electronic warfare and radio-television.
  • Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 3 September 2013 20: 40 New
    0
    Nimitz’s non-aircraft, of course, do not solve anything. The tomahawks located on the destroyers and the cruiser escorting this aircraft carrier are much more likely to solve. And most likely, only cruise missiles will be hit, so as not to substitute aircraft under Syrian air defense.
    1. Santa Fe
      Santa Fe 3 September 2013 20: 54 New
      0
      Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
      The tomahawks located on the destroyers and the cruiser escorting this aircraft carrier are much more likely to solve.

      The bulk of the Axes is on submarines that have nothing to do with Nimits and AUG (converted Ohio SSBNs)
      1. Pashhenko Nikolay
        Pashhenko Nikolay 3 September 2013 20: 59 New
        0
        Not the fact that more. In Iraq, more than half were issued from destroyers, mainly from the Spruyens.
        1. Santa Fe
          Santa Fe 3 September 2013 21: 05 New
          +1
          Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
          Not the fact that more. In Iraq, more than half were issued from destroyers, mainly from the Spruyens.

          Iraq was 10 and 20 years ago
          Last Spruance decommissioned in 2006

          Each boat carries 3 times more SLCMs than the destroyer - up to 154 pieces
          1. Pashhenko Nikolay
            Pashhenko Nikolay 3 September 2013 21: 17 New
            +1
            Actually, the Spryuans were replaced by Orly Berkov performing almost the same function. But it’s useless to argue with you, so I suggest just waiting a bit and seeing what and how it will be. And most likely it won't be long to wait. I bet the least there will be launches from submarines.
            1. Santa Fe
              Santa Fe 4 September 2013 00: 34 New
              0
              Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
              Actually, Orly Berkov was set up to replace the Sprouts

              Even in the shock variant (56 axes) - Burke's ammunition is three times less than that of the Ohio submarine + multipurpose Los Angeles - 12 UVP + Tomahawks instead of part of the torpedo ammunition
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 3 September 2013 23: 30 New
      +3
      Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
      Nimitz nonsamoletics of course do not solve anything

      Respected! They solve absolutely all the tasks that the connection command poses before them. 8t bomb load - this is not a pound of raisins from a roll to dig!
      1. Santa Fe
        Santa Fe 4 September 2013 00: 36 New
        0
        Quote: BoA KAA
        before them puts the command connection. 8t bomb load - this is not a pound of raisins to pick from a roll!

        8 tons is when operating with an AERODROM
        he will not lift six tons from the ship.
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 4 September 2013 01: 16 New
          +3
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          8 tons, it will not lift six tons under the action from the AERODROM from the ship.

          Raises, only the combat radius decreases, and therefore hang 7030kg.
          And so: • The following characteristics correspond to the F / A-18E modification:
          Cannon: 1 × six-barreled 20 mm upgraded gun M61A1 Volcano of reduced weight, ammunition 570 cartridges
          Knots of an external suspension: 11
          Combat load: 8 051 kg of various weapons.
          http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_F/A-18E/F_Super_Hornet#
  • Pimply
    Pimply 3 September 2013 20: 54 New
    -1
    In this operation, the participation of the Israeli Air Force is impossible.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 3 September 2013 23: 42 New
      +2
      Quote: Pimply
      In this operation, the participation of the Israeli Air Force is impossible

      Eugene, explain the idea. I don’t understand something: is it the Air Force or the Armed Forces?
      1. experienced
        experienced 3 September 2013 23: 44 New
        +1
        Quote: BoA KAA
        Eugene, explain the idea. I don’t understand something: is it the Air Force or the Armed Forces?

        The Israeli Air Force today participated in the launch of supposedly targets in the direction of Syria wink
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 4 September 2013 00: 55 New
          0
          Israeli air defense, you wanted to say
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 4 September 2013 00: 56 New
        0
        And those and others. Otherwise, the Americans will collapse and so very shaky coalition.
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 4 September 2013 01: 19 New
          +1
          Pimply
          Now it is clear. Apparently, not to tease all the Arabian geese. Thank.
  • andrei332809
    andrei332809 3 September 2013 15: 32 New
    +7
    where are our diving fans in the red sea? mine in their hands, and let them rest profitably wassat
    1. p-159
      p-159 3 September 2013 18: 13 New
      -1
      probably not a joke
      1. andrei332809
        andrei332809 3 September 2013 18: 16 New
        +1
        Quote: p-159
        probably not a joke

        ".............no kidding
        the world would be just creepy "
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 3 September 2013 15: 36 New
    +3
    The target, of course, is beautiful, but there is no one to shoot at it yet. So, for now, as they say, "against scrap there is no reception if there is no other scrap."
    Russia, you need a real "scrap" against their "scrap", otherwise, as JV Stalin said: "They will crush us."
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 3 September 2013 15: 44 New
      +3
      Quote: Peaceful military
      you need a real scrap

      there is still scrap (Soviet, killer-reliable), but to use it, it will need WILL ...
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 3 September 2013 15: 50 New
        +3
        The will not only to apply, but also the WILL to ensure this application, both within the country of the country and outside it. And most importantly, that it should be clear to everyone that this is and will always be, inevitably, etc.
        So yes, Andrey, WILL, WILL and again WILL. soldier
        1. alone
          alone 3 September 2013 17: 17 New
          0
          laughing again you want to arrange kirdyk around the world?))))
          1. S-200
            S-200 3 September 2013 17: 59 New
            +2
            Quote: lonely
            again you want to arrange kirdyk around the world?))))

            well, not everything! wink
            but, it would be a dream to cook a vigorous yushka from Amer AUG-pp in the Red and Mediterranean Seas ... lol
            It is a pity that the American victims of the country are always waiting to be killed ... and none of them are the first to actively break the attack scenario!
            1. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 4 September 2013 00: 18 New
              +1
              Quote: S-200
              American victims, countries are always waiting to be killed ... and none of them are the first to actively break the attack scenario!

              But did you try to appeal to common sense, the step of the last hope? Not? That is, you think that it is not enough to be a “victim country”, you also need to give the trump card to the aggressor so that he can get out of the water, declaring you an aggressor who has committed a “not motivated attack”. And the UN and NATS backing singers will arrange it so that a nickname such as the "Empire of Evil" will seem like love talk to you.
          2. p-159
            p-159 3 September 2013 18: 25 New
            0
            yes probably we are azm esm
        2. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 4 September 2013 00: 06 New
          +1
          Quote: Peaceful military
          WILL, WILL and once again WILL.

          At one time they said: "You can break something with a fool." About this V.S. Vysotsky very accurately wrote: "The will to the will is a rose, since it’s not the strength to turn, But I got carried away ..."
          You can throw a bubble, but will you just do it later? Laurels of a nuclear Herostratus do not give rest? Then you should see a psychiatrist, sir.
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 3 September 2013 23: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: Peaceful military
      The target, of course, is beautiful, but there is no one to shoot at it yet. Russia, you need a real scrap against their scrap

      Well with the target, you got excited. Raise the materials for the defense of the AVU (AUG). And about the "scrap" is also not the topic: were created dipl PLARK, etc. 949, 949A. There were also aviation divisions TU-22М2, TU-22М3. Believe me, and now they do not go unattended. If the hunter is not visible, this does not mean that he is not nearby. Yes, and with TsU began to improve. I'm about Liana.
  • Alex 241
    Alex 241 3 September 2013 15: 47 New
    +7
    Andrei, we have a “scrap” and some other Antey nuclear submarine 949A, the guys from KURSK have eternal memory for them, I remember they brought such a rustle, the whole Pentagon was on its ears.
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 3 September 2013 15: 51 New
      +1
      healthy, Sash. long time no see... drinks after all, I collected, modified, and still did all the crap for the loaves of gk. so I'm in the know
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 3 September 2013 15: 53 New
        +4
        Be healthy Andrei, our "loaf" is not everyone's teeth.
        1. andrei332809
          andrei332809 3 September 2013 15: 56 New
          0
          Quote: Alex 241
          our "loaf" is not everyone's teeth.

          at I know. vitality and noiselessness are beyond praise. but typhoons feel sorry ... crying
    2. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 3 September 2013 16: 30 New
      0
      Hi Sasha! hi
      Is there something they are, or rather, what is left of them, and what else is there and what? Like in that song "We have such devices, but we won’t tell you about them."
      The namesake correctly noted above - WILL. And she is not in anything. We hope that not yet ...
    3. Stalinets
      Stalinets 4 September 2013 02: 05 New
      0
      For this they killed him .....
  • avant-garde
    avant-garde 3 September 2013 15: 59 New
    +3
    power is not necessary to mind (usa) !!! This is just the case, but only we have moderate power and judging by what is happening mind. Who will win????
  • Sharingan
    Sharingan 3 September 2013 16: 04 New
    +4
    Quite touched by comments such as: "and he would be Yakhont, yes his Club, yes submarine, but to the bottom of it." Dreaming is not harmful. In the days of the USSR, they wouldn’t do that, but now even more so.
    1. MG42
      MG42 3 September 2013 16: 11 New
      +3
      Quote: Sharingan
      Dreaming is not harmful. In the days of the USSR, they wouldn’t do that, but now even more so.

      As for dreaming >>
      There was one detonation of a powerful nuclear weapon near the Bikini Atoll in 1946 = the impact of the damaging factors of a nuclear explosion on the grouping of ships ..
      1. Veles25
        Veles25 3 September 2013 16: 35 New
        0
        .................
      2. Veles25
        Veles25 3 September 2013 16: 36 New
        +1
        .................
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 4 September 2013 00: 29 New
      +3
      Quote: Sharingan
      In the days of the USSR, they wouldn’t do that, but now even more so.

      Lord, I finally heard the voice of reason, and not BBBBBBB cheers-patriotic!
      People! Politics is the art of the possible, taking into account the nuances, shades, all the “ties and balances”, especially the external one. And you are "crowbar!"
      PS. The situation is reminiscent of the fight "Muhach" with the heavyweight champion of the world.
  • Marconi41
    Marconi41 3 September 2013 16: 11 New
    +1
    Yes, even if at least 10 aircraft carriers are collected, the main blow will not be from them. They will not scare Syria, but our Navy. Although they will definitely be given practice.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 4 September 2013 00: 33 New
      +3
      Quote: Marconi41
      They will not scare Syria, but our Navy.

      Oh oh! Do you believe in what you wrote? I understand the Navy of the USSR, sample of the 1980 of the year, at least. Well, now? They do not have a military intelligence?
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  • de bouillon
    de bouillon 3 September 2013 16: 16 New
    +2
    Quote: Apologet.Ru
    Club



    there is one bullshit

    AUG is real in the Red Sea, but this video is only a cartoon and has nothing to do with reality
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 4 September 2013 00: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: de bouillon
      and this video is only a cartoon and has nothing to do with reality

      Shura, you are not in the church, you will not be deceived. (with)
      On the tests was, saw, confirm! The thing is killer, fate is unenviable. Pushed on the foreign market.
  • de bouillon
    de bouillon 3 September 2013 16: 19 New
    +2
    Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
    I read your comments and fucking awesome from your naivety, gentlemen

    Quote: Canep
    Atomic Peacekeeper

    Quote: il grand casino
    Reptiles are sliding ..

    What nonsense are you talking about, dear ones. The scarecrow CVN-68 came to the Red Sea, and you, you already got excited, as if the war would begin tomorrow. Nimitz fuck there is not needed (as in other things and everywhere), he does not solve anything in the Mediterranean Sea and does not depend on him. This is an ordinary American scarecrow, designed for the townsfolk and the media sensationalist
    Preparations for war are being conducted in completely different areas and the attack will be on the other side.


    Large US Air Force Airbase Incirlik (Turkey)


    The Yankees have control over the entire infrastructure of Iraq, there is an opportunity to deploy aircraft in Jordan, perhaps the participation of the Israeli Air Force
    Hundreds, if not thousands of combat aircraft and turntables - what in this case means 40-50 Nimitz sub-aircraft? Nothing!

    Take a look at the map: what is the main threat area? Iraq, Turkey, Jordan or 150 km "strip" of the sea?


    practically no Americans

    sequester her mother. in the avian f-16 is also fun

    so the Nimitz AUG with a ready-made air group remains the real US air force in the region.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 3 September 2013 16: 38 New
      +4
      And yes, there are none in Iraq either. Moreover, the pro-Iranian Maliki closed the airspace for the US Air Force.
      Jordan also closed the air, which was again announced yesterday, this time the king officially announced.

      Therefore, only Turkey and the sea. Israel has not really decided yet.
    2. Santa Fe
      Santa Fe 3 September 2013 18: 54 New
      -4
      Quote: de bouillon
      sequester her mother. in the avian f-16 is also fun

      so the Nimitz AUG with a ready-made air group remains the real US air force in the region.

      Wow, what meanie

      There were not enough funds for f-16, but enough for Nimitz))
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 3 September 2013 22: 44 New
        +1
        Quote: de bouillon
        practically no Americans
        The vigilant comrades there noted the E-4BS (flying Pentagon) (photo attached). And in Cyprus the other day the E-6B was valiantly noticed and two French patrol planes were moved there, two AWACS are already there. Well, for lovers of retro classics , in Cyprus the other day were seen U-2 fellow So somehow, without politeness, management and intelligence platforms are pulling into the region.
        1. studentmati
          studentmati 3 September 2013 22: 51 New
          +1
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          So somehow, without politeness, management and intelligence platforms are pulling into the region.


          All this is sad ... The consequences will be terrible ...
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 3 September 2013 22: 58 New
            +3
            There is more interesting news. On Wednesday, car enthusiasts reported that a WC-135C Constant Phoenix was spotted in southern Britain, and later intercepted his radio exchange with a flying tanker in the Malta area. The unique WC-135C Constant Phoenix machine is designed to analyze air for radiation after a nuclear strike or disaster at a nuclear power plant. The US Air Force has two such aircraft, and they were used to analyze air during the nuclear tests of India and Pakistan, they are often used near the border with North Korea, and in 2011 the aircraft worked over Japan after the Fukushima accident. What the plane is doing in Europe now and where exactly it is heading is not yet clear. It is assumed that it may have equipment that is able to detect traces of the use of chemical weapons.
            1. studentmati
              studentmati 3 September 2013 23: 02 New
              +1
              Quote: Alex 241
              It is assumed that it may have equipment that is able to detect traces of the use of chemical weapons.


              Another interesting and important confirmation of the impending aggression.
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 3 September 2013 23: 07 New
                +3
                300 US Marines and at least one Patriot anti-aircraft missile battery stationed in Jordan advancing to the Syrian border
  • saag
    saag 3 September 2013 16: 20 New
    +1
    Quote: Sharingan
    Quite touched by comments such as: "and he would be Yakhont, yes his Club, yes submarine, but to the bottom of it." Dreaming is not harmful. In the days of the USSR, they wouldn’t do that, but now even more so.

    Yeah, and even like to shoot nafig all their planes (they’ll howl all there), as they play a computer game, there is a feeling that there are no internal brakes and awareness of the responsibility of the step taken
    1. Stalinets
      Stalinets 4 September 2013 02: 12 New
      +2
      Yugoslavia shot down more than 60 aircraft, God knows how many cruise missiles. And 400 people. No ground operation .... Dying, so with the music ...
  • dojjdik
    dojjdik 3 September 2013 16: 39 New
    0
    that’s exactly what you need to learn to bring down not the current winged “axes” but also carrier-based aircraft; but the aircraft carrier to sink - at bullshit that the Syrians will not pull, and what? let him dangle in the sea; without aircraft, all aircraft carriers are simply “floating stadiums”
    1. p-159
      p-159 3 September 2013 18: 34 New
      0
      totally agree with you
  • bezzumec
    bezzumec 3 September 2013 16: 40 New
    0
    White House bearded man

    Who are you, Mr. B.H. Obama? The stubbornness of the American president, whispering even in an Assad must leave dream and supporting everywhere the notorious Islamist thugs who advocate a worldwide caliphate, needs not only a geopolitical understanding, but a religious interpretation. Moreover, in the interpretation of the most direct, without any sophisticated symbolism there. Last year, the White House, represented by Obama and H. Clinton, applauded while standing for the democratic election of M. Mursi to the kingdom in Egypt. Mursi, as every schoolboy now knows, although he formally departed from the activities of the Muslim Brotherhood, he remained in his heart a “brother”. It was he who called for jihad in Syria, it was his cabinet that composed the new Sharia constitution for the Egyptian Empire, it ruined his native economy and eventually created the unrest that some residents of Washington love to watch from a long distance.

    READ COMPLETELY AND SEE PHOTO COMPROMING >>> http://ord-sbu.blogspot.com
  • Makarov
    Makarov 3 September 2013 17: 49 New
    0
    USS Princeton (CG-59) 83 onwards + an old man with experience and 50 F / A-18 ... there would be two Moscow and they will become new objects for visiting divers ....
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 4 September 2013 00: 51 New
      +2
      Quote: Makarov
      there would be two Moscow and they will become new objects for visiting divers ....

      Oh ... Specify: Are you talking about RKR "Moscow"? or?
      In general, you should be forced to calculate the military potentials of the "parties" at the desk and the military stability of a single NK, even as remarkable as the RKR "Moskva" during its attack by the IHV from av. T. Nimitz. After that, you would see how inadvertently turned out to be right.
  • Petrix
    Petrix 3 September 2013 17: 52 New
    +2
    So after all, Egypt threatened not to let it through the Suez Canal. Therefore, "while" do not sail into the Mediterranean Sea.
  • spirit
    spirit 3 September 2013 17: 52 New
    0
    yeah, what about yachting)) I bet that they are not just 300 and they will not come close to the beegs of the sacred land for the entire 500 km
    1. alone
      alone 3 September 2013 23: 03 New
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      400km is also enough to protect itself from PCR. And if you think about it, an aircraft carrier isn’t alone there. Dozens of guard and support ships are next to it. Do you think the aircraft carrier is easy prey? I wouldn’t say that
  • Backfire
    Backfire 3 September 2013 18: 22 New
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    It seems that everything depends on the negotiations on September 5-6 at the G-20.
    In the meantime ...
  • APASUS
    APASUS 3 September 2013 19: 24 New
    +2
    It's time to start delivering the Yakhonts, I think a dozen containers can be thrown by plane ............ the target is on the way
    1. Moore
      Moore 3 September 2013 19: 53 New
      +5
      And you can throw this target with caps. Suddenly, she will not go into the coverage of the Yakhontov - this is where we will take her ...
  • alekseinew
    alekseinew 3 September 2013 20: 45 New
    +2
    Now the news said that the 2 Black Sea Fleet ships advanced into the Mediterranean Sea!
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 4 September 2013 00: 56 New
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      Quote: alekseinew
      Now the news said that the 2 Black Sea Fleet ships advanced into the Mediterranean Sea!

      The zhurnalyalyugi “got it a little bit”: the Minsk database - the BF ship, the 71 brDK, Baltiysk.
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  • repytw
    repytw 3 September 2013 21: 05 New
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    [And at the expense of America, the latest opinion poll showed that 59 percent of Russians dream of living in America.


    Probably in the State Duma or in some sort of corporation a survey was conducted, the percentage goes off scale. I don’t want to go anywhere; I’d better create conditions for myself here.
    1. ALEX74
      ALEX74 4 September 2013 09: 53 New
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      So they conducted a poll in their own thoughts. I am in RUSSIA better than in their states. I was there for work, I saw their democracy and their freedoms. No longer hunting, only if they order and set goals, then with great pleasure!
  • Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov 3 September 2013 23: 15 New
    +1
    The group is rather weak ...
    Perhaps they sent for a slaughter, so that later they would crush the rebellious country into powder under this brand.
  • Stalinets
    Stalinets 4 September 2013 02: 09 New
    +3
    Well floats, to hell with her. More terrible are those people who are now setting up the beacons .. And they are there, already from 20 countries.
  • kind
    kind 4 September 2013 05: 38 New
    +1
    U.S. Navy strike group

    That is, the group you need to hit am
  • waisson
    waisson 4 September 2013 09: 25 New
    +1
    five bombs to him under the keel and a torpedo in w ........... at
  • ALEX74
    ALEX74 4 September 2013 09: 46 New
    +1
    Oh, to drown this trough !!! I understand that this is not real, but I want it so much! Dreams sometimes come true!
  • Vtel
    Vtel 4 September 2013 09: 53 New
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    They will answer us for the “Kursk” - “Flurry” of torpedoes aboard them!