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“For some reason, we support a foreign manufacturer ...”

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“For some reason, we support a foreign manufacturer ...”So, the MAKS-2013 aerospace salon has completed its work. Over the six days of work in Zhukovsky near Moscow, about 350 thousands of people visited it. However, compared with the previous air show, the number of visitors decreased by 200 thousand. Especially for the "AN" to the question "What are your feelings about our aviation industry?" Answer ...


Anatoly Sitnov, Deputy Head of the Commission of the Russian Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs for the Military-Industrial Complex, Former Chief of Armaments of the Armed Forces of Russia (1994-2000), Colonel-General of the Reserve:

"The country's top leadership has repeatedly loudly given the installation"

- In fact, complete ignorance by foreigners of this air show suggests that Russia in the field of aviation is beginning to be present in international isolation. And if foreign manufacturers are pulling their production to us, it means that those in power do not want to develop their own aviation industry!

Here we have a widely and enthusiastically advertised purchase of foreign aircraft just for astronomical sums. But why buy equipment that is similar to ours? It turns out that for some reason we support a foreign producer, we feed someone else’s science and create thousands of jobs abroad, leaving our workers and engineers without a piece of bread. All this is nothing like killing your own aviation industry!

In fact, on the line, where planes were on MAX, it was possible to put the slogan “Long live Soviet power!” And Mig-35 and Su-35 - all this is “Soviet power”. And the rest ...

Therefore, it is necessary to develop science and fundamentally exploratory research, it is necessary to move in all directions of development of new materials, which, by the way, was not presented there either. So I can say the following: we fly well, but we just forgot how to do the technique!
It is a great surprise that the top leadership of the country has repeatedly loudly prompted the development of industry, stated the need for production at domestic enterprises, set the task of creating 25 million jobs. But the instructions of the President, it seems, do not reach the consciousness of officials, and everything is done the other way around.

Andrei Zverev, General Director of Russian Electronics OJSC, member of the Management Board of the Russian Engineering Union:

“It would be advisable to introduce personal responsibility for state investments”

- Aviation industry is that industry, which, along with the automotive industry, is city-forming in the state. This is a complex, very difficult and complex industry, capable of properly developing and investing the funds of the state and business, with the right policies in this area, to drag along the entire industry and take our country to a new round of development, like a locomotive.

I think it would be appropriate to introduce personal responsibility for state investments. For example, I came to the state for money, I agreed on deadlines and received money, but I didn’t fulfill the tasks - it means that the whole team is “resting.”

And if this is a private enterprise - laid the shares. That is, if you have not fulfilled on time and spent public money, but there is nothing to report, it means that the shares are transferred to the income of the state.

And then I’m willing to run to the state for money will immediately become less!

Sergey Grigoriev, rector of the FSBEI HPE MSTU "Stankin", member of the Management Board of the Russian Engineering Union, chairman of the Commission on Social and Personnel Policies of the Russian Engineering Union:

“There is a problem of personnel policy in the aviation industry”

- There is a problem of personnel policy in the aviation industry, therefore, it is necessary to advance the investment of funds in the educational sector. If today we do not make a very serious reserve, do not create centers for retraining of workers, specialists, and higher personnel, then in the near future there will be big problems.

It is very important to form integration with the Ministry of Education and Science of the Russian Federation. After all, the Ministry of Education has very serious financial resources for intersectoral interaction.

Oleg Demchenko, President of the Irkut Corporation OJSC:

"The sharp increase in the production of aircraft for state defense orders"

“The release of several dozen planes per year is a common thing for the Irkut Corporation, but massive and timely deliveries to the Russian Air Force are a matter of our special pride.

The main result of the last one and a half years of our work is a sharp increase in the volume of production of aircraft for state defense orders. So, in December 2011, the Russian Ministry of Defense ordered us a large batch (55 units) of the Yak-130 combat training aircraft, much of which have already been delivered to the Air Force.

Last year, our corporation signed with the Russian Air Force two contracts for the supply of X-NUMX Su-60CM fighters.
This year we will transfer the Russian Air Force over the 30 Su-30CM fighter jets and training and combat aircraft Yak-130.
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  1. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 4 September 2013 07: 01
    +4
    Someone would not say that, but return to the 37th year and a rapid revival would begin, both in the aviation industry, and in other industries and in agriculture.Dreams however, but dreaming is sometimes not harmful ...they say the thought is material! yes
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 4 September 2013 07: 18
      +4
      Quote: Valery Neonov
      Someone would not say, but to return, for the 37th year

      What kind of masochism? Somehow the whole world can do without it, for example, I have not heard that in Brazil the aviation industry was created from "sharashki" and under the threat of imprisonment ... Your phrase is deeply offensive, it means that the Russians are so lost and hopeless that only under the threat of violence they can create something ...
      1. Nicholas C.
        Nicholas C. 4 September 2013 07: 46
        +5
        There are really sorely lack of qualified technicians: workers, engineers. Even with migrants and migrant workers. However, there are still "educational" institutions such as "Horns and Hooves", preparing the devil knows who the devil knows what for. Apparently, their students believe that any diploma will do for life. But the necessary vocational schools and technical schools (as they were called earlier) are almost nonexistent.
      2. pavlo
        pavlo 4 September 2013 08: 16
        +1
        to work in the so-called sharashka-for happiness-and during the war, but at full contentment, think for yourself!
        1. Nayhas
          Nayhas 4 September 2013 09: 46
          +3
          Quote: pavlo
          to work in the so-called sharashka-for happiness-and during the war, but at full contentment, think for yourself!

          And who told you that? Do you think the engineers at the plants did not get the same ration?
          THINK YOURSELF, live and work under guard with regular inspections and dates at the behest of the guard or live at home with your family and work in the design bureau without looking at the escorts?
          All the main developments during the war were made in ordinary design bureaus.
      3. Flooding
        Flooding 4 September 2013 10: 03
        +2
        Quote: Nayhas
        Your phrase is deeply offensive, it means that the Russians are so lost and hopeless that only under the threat of violence can they create something ...

        I myself hate such statements.
        But at the same time, let's be honest.
        It is not about people, nor about Russians, nor about the people as a whole.
        We are talking about nonhumans, about Judas, about venal skins.
        1. Nayhas
          Nayhas 4 September 2013 11: 29
          +3
          Quote: Flood
          We are talking about nonhumans, about Judas, about venal skins.

          It's about the system. The current system pushes to the top what floats well, but often this MOT is completely unable to effectively manage. Why is that? The effectiveness of power in control. Western democracy implies the control of officials by society, hence their high rotation. Rogues and thieves are also there, but it’s harder for them to survive, because in order to steal, they need reliable support from the same officials tied up with friendship, kinship, and bed. The rotation of officials through the elections does not allow for stronger ties, there is always a danger that another official will take advantage of negative information in his own interests, which causes distrust and the absence of the above criminal connections. In addition, dirty streets, bad roads, etc. guarantee of removal from power and therefore have to work. Our vertical is not controlled by anything, hence the almost legal corruption, nepotism, etc. The official can calmly assemble his team of interests, tying everyone into dark affairs, allowing you to do the same on the side, because the presence of compromising is the simplest lead of fidelity. Officials are overgrown with bonds forming an absolute criminal community at all levels. The result of the work is always ostentatious so that the supreme swindler and thief could show the people the Olympics, the APEC summit, etc. But even this ostentatious result is achieved by gigantic expenses.
          Now about the Stalin vertical. It was built on the horror of death. The absolute leader demanded strict fulfillment and submission, because had before him the purpose of which he followed. The army of officials was forgiven for everything (they stole, thundered godlessly, who were sexually satisfied as best they could), except for disrupting the task. Despite this, the efficiency was not high, and when fear died, the system turned into what we saw in the 80s, eventually being reborn into the current state.
          And when they shout that only mass executions will save their homeland, I say that there is an option that has never been practiced in Russia, but according to which the whole consecrated world lives.
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 4 September 2013 14: 39
            -1
            Quote: Nayhas
            And when they shout that only mass executions will save their homeland, I say that there is an option that has never been practiced in Russia, but according to which the whole consecrated world lives.

            What world do you call enlightened?
    2. Airman
      Airman 4 September 2013 09: 17
      +4
      The terrible thing is that the AUTHORITY SPEAKS one thing, and DOES another, ignoring either the opinion or the needs of the people. She has beautiful words, but black deeds.
      1. shpuntik
        shpuntik 4 September 2013 10: 50
        +3
        Pvoshnik (2) RU Today, 09:17 ↑ New
        The terrible thing is that the AUTHORITY SPEAKS one thing and DOES the other ...

        + Vyacheslav. Strangled to patriotic music. There was such a statement on the video, I’ll find it somehow, put it on display.
    3. shpuntik
      shpuntik 4 September 2013 10: 45
      +1
      Valery Neonov (1) SU Today, 07:01 AM New
      Someone would not say that, but to return, for the 37th year, the rapid rebirth would begin ...

      Valery, it is dangerous to drive caravans in the mountains, tszt. Accusation of accusation, hello Kolyma. Have you seen Nagai Bay? There are other ways, without numerous casualties. Make a list of those who bother you. Let you have a deck of cards, like the Americans in front of Iraq. Look for like-minded people. And the abscess will break through. Good luck. hi
  2. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 4 September 2013 07: 01
    +8
    I answer everyone in turn:
    comrade Sitnov! Why don't you personally change to Lada Granta and support a domestic manufacturer? After all, this car is similar to the one you ride? And transplant the children at the same time?
    comrade Zverev! Once in a conversation in a narrow circle, one businessman proposed to nominate one of my acquaintances as the head of a city. He, having thought, said that then he would bring all of them (entrepreneurs) and this initiator to order. The amazement was genuine: "why me?" In this regard, it is curious: do you personally bear personal responsibility for your work? Or so, for a word strummed?
    Comrade Grigoriev: You, as a rector, should not talk about "how important it is to form integration", but already form it 20 years ago, when you started talking about personnel problems in the future.
    Comrade Demchenko: But the Irkut corporation works and does not complain about "similar machines" of foreign production, nor about personnel shortages, nor about the lack of personal responsibility ... Maybe because it works, and does not talk with language?
    1. Dmitry 2246
      Dmitry 2246 4 September 2013 07: 12
      +8
      Irkut rules.
      60 fighter Su-30SM and 55 combat training Yak-130.
      Oleg Demchenko has nothing more to say. The plant then injects!
  3. svskor80
    svskor80 4 September 2013 07: 09
    +7
    The 37 year may not be necessary to return, but all the same, elementary responsibility from the leaders of all links, starting from the highest, must be done much more strictly, right down to the criminal. Now, quite often, relaxation is not done well, okay, they’ll transfer to another place, they will reproach a little and nothing more.
  4. Severok
    Severok 4 September 2013 07: 13
    +6
    There is a betrayal of the motherland by ruling circles who do not want to develop Russia. They only need from us the consumption of another product and the sale of the country's resources.
  5. Debryansk
    Debryansk 4 September 2013 08: 20
    0
    Everything becomes clear if you do not get carried away by fairy tales from the authorities. A plan is being implemented for the further collapse of the country - now Russia.
  6. xetai9977
    xetai9977 4 September 2013 08: 28
    +4
    Quote: Valery Neonov
    ... they say the thought is material!

    Yes, there. And VANKA HEARS YES. The number of corrupt officials, despite the curses against them, is by no means decreasing.
  7. Wedmak
    Wedmak 4 September 2013 08: 46
    +3
    Well, with us, as usual - someone injects, and someone grinds with his tongue. Unfortunately, there are more second ones.
    1. Lyokhin63
      Lyokhin63 10 November 2013 17: 30
      0
      Seven on the cart, one on the bottom. And shout, don’t overwhelm! An old proverb.
  8. Hort
    Hort 4 September 2013 08: 51
    +7
    Yes, do not need the 37th ... It is trite to tighten the criminal liability for misconduct, as it was in the USSR. And to change the management system - to reduce the number of various deputies in the management of enterprises to the necessary minimum. And so that the leader bears personal, personal responsibility for tasks under his control, not in words, but really.
    To tighten discipline among ordinary employees at enterprises - from heavy fines for minor flaws in work to dismissal for appearing, for example, from a hangover.

    In terms of staffing, what prevents the formation of a state order for students of specific specialties? The state pays for the training of a specialist, followed by his employment at the enterprise and compulsory work there, for example, for 5 years. And so that later the young specialist would not have thought to screw, say, over a hill, to provide him with housing and a decent salary. As well as the possibility of advanced training.
    Putin seemed to stutter about this during his second term, but things haven’t gone further than words.
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 4 September 2013 09: 48
      +5
      ... as well as reduce the number of gasket companies between manufacturers of parts and accessories and final assemblers of products. But for this we need the will of the servants of the sovereigns.
  9. waisson
    waisson 4 September 2013 09: 10
    +6
    Sioux 30SM
    Fighter
    60 aircraft ordered in the amount of 60 billion rubles. (excluding weapons)
    Su-34
    Bomber
    129 aircraft ordered in the amount of 182 billion rubles.
    Su-35
    Fighter
    48 aircraft were ordered for a total amount of 58 billion rubles.
    IL-76MD-90A
    transport airplane
    39 aircraft were ordered for a total amount of 139 billion rubles.
    Yak-130
    Training and combat aircraft
    67 aircraft were ordered for a total amount of 29,7 billion rubles.
    T-50
    The latest generation fighter
    Awarded for signing a contract for 52 aircraft
    MiG 29SMT
    Fighter
    A contract for 35 aircraft in the amount of 30 billion rubles is expected.
    MiG 35
    Fighter
    A contract for 37 aircraft in the amount of 40 billion rubles is expected.
    Ka-52
    120 helicopters ordered in the amount of 120 billion rubles.
    Mi-28
    97 helicopters were ordered for a total amount of 60 billion rubles.
    Mi-8 / Mi-17
    It is planned to order 400 helicopters in the amount of 120 billion rubles.
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 4 September 2013 10: 04
      +4
      And what is heard on the Su-39?
      Or is it planned for now to manage the old fleet of attack aircraft?
      Looking forward to future development?
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 4 September 2013 10: 25
        +2
        Yes, something flickered about a promising attack aircraft, but it seems like rumors and speculation. While deaf.
  10. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 4 September 2013 13: 58
    +2
    Material plus. Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye ... As proof that we are losing ground in the aircraft industry - this is the finding of the so-called. "joint" (but in fact foreign) enterprises for the production of aircraft in Russia ...
    How much optimism was there in the comments of yesterday's material about the deployment of production of "Bombardier". They say we will get technology, and something else ... The helicopter factory for the production of the Italian "Augusta" has been functioning for how long? .. And how many "innovative" technologies have our helicopter pilots received? .. I think that zero point he ... tenths. Plus hemorrhoids. The same will happen with the "Bombardier" ...
    And the fact that it is impossible to find production facilities for our equipment is bullshit! .. They find it for import. And areas and facilities ...
  11. lilit.193
    lilit.193 4 September 2013 18: 55
    +2
    It is necessary to invest money in your aviation, and not to feed foreign manufacturers. Or have we forgotten how to build airplanes?