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Chinese expansion is inevitable

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In China, they believe that nuclear war is better than collapse from the inside


In the production of military equipment of all major classes, except nuclear submarines and aircraft carriers, the Celestial Empire confidently occupies the first place in the world, although the capabilities of its military-industrial complex will be used by up to a third. At the same time, the Chinese practically eliminated the qualitative lag behind the armed forces of the countries of the West and Russia, which took place ten years ago. Even where a certain lag persists, it is not fundamental and is easily compensated by quantitative superiority.

Capturing territories as problem solving

A complete disregard for these facts in Russia is beginning to be in the nature of some kind of collective insanity, which is sometimes aggravated by outright lies about the production of small series of weapons in China, as well as about our remarkable relations. The pro-Chinese lobby in Russia, which is at least not weaker than the pro-American, is very involved in this insanity. Moreover, he has resources in the Russian Federation that the Americans do not have - a huge Chinese diaspora, Chinese special services operating almost unchecked on our territory and a significant number of Russian citizens, who are very high-ranking, long ago purchased by Beijing and ready to sell him absolutely everything.

Chinese expansion is inevitableIn fact, Russia for 20 has been actively imposing a strategic partnership on Beijing for years, and many of us are seriously convinced that Russian-Chinese relations are exclusive and allied. Meanwhile, the PRC has established a strategic partnership with many countries of the world, including most of the western ones, so Russia’s exclusivity for China is out of the question. Like the union. Throughout all these 20 years, both Chinese officials and Chinese scientists have consistently emphasized that Russian-Chinese relations are not allied and are not directed against anyone. This is Beijing’s firm position, both official and actual.

As for the Chinese threat to us, it is not hypothetical, it is objective. The fact that China will not be able to live without expansion is determined by the laws of nature and economy, and not by any special Chinese aggressiveness. We cannot say in what forms and at what pace it will go, but expansion itself is inevitable. For China, the question is unequivocal - either the seizure of territories and resources, or collapse and civil war.

First, if the PRC reaches the level of per capita consumption of food, electricity, oil, etc., at least comparable to the western, it alone will not have enough resources of the entire planet. This is not a hypothesis, this is a fact. As well as the fact that at the current growth rate of the Chinese economy, this problem will arise in the very foreseeable future, during the life of the overwhelming majority of readers of this article.

Secondly, the overpopulation of the eastern regions of the People's Republic of China creates an unreasonable burden on nature and infrastructure, and attempts to limit population growth are halfway and at the same time lead to insoluble social problems (a brief description needs another large publication).

Therefore, considering the current situation in the PRC, it is impossible not to see that external expansion can be the optimal solution in order to cut the country's Gordian knot of problems. It will provide a significant increase in the territory and quantity of natural resources. For this expansion, there is a huge resource potential in the face of "extra people" (unemployed, young men who are not provided with brides due to the strongest sexual imbalance, poor peasants). Moreover, the very high unemployment among young people and the “shortage of brides” make their own high losses during the fighting not only permissible, but perhaps even desirable for the military-political leadership of the country.

A significant increment of the territory will allow abolishing birth restrictions, which will help, if not completely remove, then substantially alleviate all social contradictions associated with these restrictions (they are truly dramatic and deserve a lot of separate discussion). Objectively speaking, the territory for China is even more important than resources. In any case, significant funds must be spent on the extraction of natural resources in our own or occupied territory or on their acquisition abroad. The territory is an absolute value that cannot be replaced. At the same time, the social problems caused by the overpopulation of the country are much more dangerous for it than the lack of resources and the extremely difficult environmental situation. It is they who lead to a split within society and between society and the government, that is, to delegitimize the power of the CCP. Just because of social problems, the collapse of the Chinese economy is almost inevitable. Accordingly, external expansion becomes an unallocated solution for the Chinese leadership.

The own sparsely populated western part of the country, unfortunately, is not suitable for the normal life of people. Tibet is an extreme highland, where it is impossible for the “lowland” inhabitants who are not adapted to this and cannot live permanently, and moreover any serious economic activity. Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region (XUAR) is not much better in this regard. Against the background of these regions, Southern Siberia is incomparably more comfortable and more favorable in all respects. But Southeast Asia, which we a priori proclaim as the main focus of Chinese expansion, is just very small for such an expansion. There is very little territory, few resources (at least much less than in the Asian part of Russia), but there are a lot of local people, moreover, disloyal to Beijing. Therefore, it is not necessary to engage in self-deception, China has only two areas of expansion - Russia (more precisely, its Asian part) and Kazakhstan.

Of course, Beijing would prefer a peaceful option of expansion (demographic and economic), but it may simply not be enough time for it, a critical aggravation of internal contradictions will happen before peaceful expansion yields a practical result. Accordingly, the military option of expansion is absolutely possible. The theoretical base, as historicaland military.

No matter how much official statements sound that China does not have territorial claims to us (mostly, these statements are for some reason heard from Russia itself), but the Aigun and Beijing agreements, on which the current border is established, are officially considered unfair and unequal. In the current international law, such categories simply do not exist. But China will introduce them when it has a little more power.

The borders of the Middle Kingdom in Chinese

With regard to the military component, the concept of strategic borders and living space, which was developed to justify the competence of the Chinese Armed Forces of offensive hostilities, deserves special attention. The newspaper of the Central Political Department of the PLA “Zefanjun Bao” on the border of living space said that it “defines the living space of the state and the country and is connected with the influx and outflow of comprehensive national power”, “reflects the power of the state as a whole and serves the interests of its existence, economy, security and scientific activities. " The concept is based on the view that population growth and limited resources cause natural needs to expand the space to ensure the further economic activity of the state and increase its “natural sphere of existence”. It is assumed that the territorial and spatial boundaries indicate only the limits in which the state with the help of real power can "effectively protect its interests." “Strategic boundaries of living space” should move as the “integrated power of the state” grows. As the same “Zefangjun Bao” wrote, effective control, exercised for a long time over the strategic area, which is carried out beyond the geographical boundaries, will ultimately lead to their transfer. The concept implies the transfer of hostilities from border areas to zones of strategic borders or even beyond them, while the causes of military conflicts can be difficulties in the way of “ensuring China’s legitimate rights and interests in the APR”. China believes that the boundaries of the life space of strong powers go far beyond their legal boundaries, and the sphere of influence of weak countries is smaller than their national territory.

The rapid pumping of the offensive potential of the PLA and the nature of the exercises (they are described in the article “China is ready for a big war”) fit perfectly in this concept.

As for the nuclear deterrence factor, it is redundant against non-nuclear countries, and against nuclear ones (to which, alas, China belongs) is very doubtful. We must not forget about the extremely low sensitivity of the Chinese to losses (this is their fundamental difference from the Western armies). Our trouble is that we earnestly believe in nuclear deterrence, and this greatly hinders the development of conventional armed forces. Nuclear weapon should be the last argument. We ourselves have brought to the state when it is the first and only. At the same time, as was shown in the article “Surprise from China”, in the People's Republic of China they are seriously preparing for a nuclear war. Yes, of course, the Chinese do not want her. But, obviously, they believe that in the extreme case it is permissible, because the collapse of the country from the inside can turn out to be even worse. Moreover, in this case, it will be possible civil war with the use of its own nuclear weapons on its territory.

Alas, our military-political leadership sees a threat to Russia in the territorial claims of Latvia and Estonia, whose armed forces are totally weaker than 76-th dshd. But China is not a threat to our bosses. Frenzy or crime is taking place here - not fundamentally, the result will be one.
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  1. makst83
    makst83 4 September 2013 08: 24 New
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    As I saw the title of the article, "Chinese expansion is inevitable," I immediately realized that Khramchikhin, again, had a bathherd! Judging by how he likes to write about the Chinese aggression against us, he thought - maybe he earns money on the "Chinese" theme !?
    1. experienced
      experienced 4 September 2013 16: 11 New
      +6
      Bugaga, Russia and China have no territorial problems, the Chinese will not be satisfied with the harsh climate. Rather, you need to be afraid of the Japanese, Indonesians and others. But for some reason they are persistently trying to "incite" Russia to China. winked
      The most "aggressive" now is the United States with its European allies. In agony, the United States rushes at everyone indiscriminately, and the Europeans, like scavengers, circle nearby, hoping to profit. How many wars has China fought lately and how many is the United States? You need to be afraid of them, but you need to look out for the enemy in the other direction ... hi
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 4 September 2013 16: 15 New
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        Quote: seasoned
        But for some reason they are persistently trying to "incite" Russia to China. winked
        They are just trying to distract Russia from the BV, at least Khramchikhin’s attempts in this article are very noticeable wink
        1. experienced
          experienced 4 September 2013 16: 22 New
          +8
          Quote: Tersky
          They are just trying to distract Russia from the BV, at least Khramchikhin’s attempts in this article are very noticeable

          Hello Vit hi It seems to me that many people do not like the fact that recently Russia has often come out with China as a "united front" against the United States and Europe. So they are trying to drive a wedge between us. "Divide and Conquer" is the slogan for all time. hi
          1. Tersky
            Tersky 4 September 2013 16: 28 New
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            Quote: seasoned
            So they are trying to drive a wedge between us. "Divide and Conquer" is the slogan for all time.

            Lesha, and the article itself is an attempt at another blow to this wedge.
            1. user
              user 4 September 2013 19: 29 New
              +6
              Divide and conquer, it certainly can.
              Previously, the song on the demobilization was:

              There is a beautiful Borzya
              threatening the Chinese from the North

              in the city of Borzya there was a tank division and much more - this is not far from Zabaykalsk at almost the border, where the CER began. I'm not talking about Mongolia, it was not weak there either. Now everything has been optimized - budget savings are called, for two 3500 kilometers two teams and all. If they hit, then there will be nothing to delay them even to Irkutsk, well, about the Khabarovsk Territory and Primorye it is generally only a river to cross.

              So be friends, but arm yourself
              1. soldier's grandson
                soldier's grandson 4 September 2013 22: 26 New
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                Yes, we already hit them with a flood
        2. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg 5 September 2013 14: 26 New
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          Quote: Tersky
          Quote: seasoned
          But for some reason they are persistently trying to "incite" Russia to China. winked
          They are just trying to distract Russia from the BV, at least Khramchikhin’s attempts in this article are very noticeable wink


          Yes, another Chinese horror story. In addition to the fact that the Chinese and military equipment are riveted on the mountain in China itself, there are such troubles that they are not shown to fight with us. Even if a successful invasion of the Russian Federation begins, the retaliatory strike will be such that China as a concept ceases to exist. Beijing, Shanghai and other multi-million megalopolises simply cease to exist with all millions of people, and these will be the most advanced representatives of the people. ... oh ... I don’t even want to think. Well, the Chinese are not so stupid to start a global conflict, everything is against everyone.
      2. Recon
        Recon 4 September 2013 16: 39 New
        +1
        even if they plan to expand, it’s clearly not by military means. What is the point of arranging a nuclear conflict (and it will be just that) where to live then? Yes, and even nuclear-free - the infrastructure is destroyed, the cities are in ruins. Who needs it there? Are they what? Everything will happen very differently.
        1. a52333
          a52333 4 September 2013 17: 44 New
          +1
          even if they plan to expand, it’s clearly not by military means.
          And if the military, there is Taiwan the old offender and Japan.
      3. alone
        alone 4 September 2013 18: 30 New
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        2004 year. President Putin orders the transfer of Tarabarov Island and parts of Greater Ussuri to China.
        year 2009. The inhabitants of the Middle Kingdom continue to conduct active work on their territory to change the riverbed.
        2010 year. Hydraulic work is ongoing. At a meeting of the Russian-Chinese border commission, representatives of the People's Republic of China come forward with a proposal to review the state border line between Russia and China in 160 sections of the Amur and Uss rivers


        Russia has no territorial problems with China, but China? what
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 4 September 2013 16: 15 New
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      Quote: makst83
      Judging by the way he likes to write about the Chinese aggression against us, he thought - maybe he makes money on the "Chinese" topic!

      Yes, no, maybe just four Chinese people in a dark alley robbed him, that’s why he suffered serious thoughts laughing
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 4 September 2013 16: 20 New
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        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Yes, no, maybe just four Chinese people in a dark alley robbed him, that’s why he suffered serious thoughts

        Sasha, hello missing! Judging by the amount of negativity caught up, it was not only robbed but also .. wink No luck Sasha ...
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 4 September 2013 16: 38 New
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          Quote: Tersky
          Judging by the amount of negativity caught up, it was not only robbed but also

          Hello Vit! You specify what exactly was done to him, and we will discuss this wassat
    3. Airman
      Airman 4 September 2013 16: 28 New
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      Quote: makst83
      As I saw the title of the article, "Chinese expansion is inevitable," I immediately realized that Khramchikhin, again, had a bathherd! Judging by how he likes to write about the Chinese aggression against us, he thought - maybe he earns money on the "Chinese" theme !?

      The East is a delicate matter, and China is insidious. Apparently, some have forgotten Damansky and Zhalanashkol, and this "forgetfulness" is very dangerous.
      1. feanor
        feanor 4 September 2013 16: 46 New
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        Partly, the author’s fears have a place to be, but this just needs to be taken into account and reacted in the form of strengthening our army in the Far East theater of operations, but nothing more. To worsen relations due to the paranoia of some individuals is very stupid and not far-sighted, because in many areas China and I have common interests in which we are on the same front.
      2. alone
        alone 4 September 2013 18: 26 New
        +2
        By the way, Damansky has already been transferred to China. EBN "distinguished himself"
        1. lilit.193
          lilit.193 4 September 2013 18: 41 New
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          Quote: lonely
          By the way, Damansky has already been transferred to China. EBN "distinguished himself"

          It was not EBN who distinguished himself, but Putin. wink
        2. Corsair5912
          Corsair5912 4 September 2013 19: 43 New
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          Quote: lonely
          By the way, Damansky has already been transferred to China. EBN "distinguished himself"


          According to all treaties and international laws, Damansky should belong to China, the conflict was absolutely unnecessary for the USSR, it was necessary to recognize the obvious, and not to shed the blood of our soldiers and officers over a pile of river sand.
          After the ice melted, the exit of the Soviet border guards to Damansky proved to be difficult, and sniper and machine-gun fire had to impede the Chinese attempts to capture it. On 10 of September 1969, it was ordered to cease fire, apparently in order to create a favorable background for the negotiations that began the next day at the Beijing airport. Immediately, the Damansky and Kirkinsky Islands occupied the Chinese armed forces.
          On September 11 in Beijing, Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the USSR A.N. Kosygin, who was returning from the funeral of Ho Chi Minh, and Prime Minister of the State Council of the People's Republic of China Zhou Enlai agreed to stop hostile actions and that the troops remain in their occupied positions. In fact, this meant the transfer of Daman to China.
          On October 20, on October 1969, new negotiations between the heads of the governments of the USSR and the PRC took place; an agreement was reached on the need to revise the Soviet-Chinese border. Then a number of negotiations were held in Beijing and Moscow, and in 1991, Damansky Island finally ceded to the PRC.
          So finally the island became Chinese under spotted Gorbi.
      3. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 4 September 2013 19: 32 New
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        Quote: Povshnik
        The East is a delicate matter, and China is insidious. Apparently, some have forgotten Damansky and Zhalanashkol, and this "forgetfulness" is very dangerous.

        Damansky is the result of the impenetrable stupidity of our nerds with big stars on uniform and the pathological idleness of idlers from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
        If the Far Eastern Front was commanded by an intelligent person, he would order the border guards to leave the island, let diplomats decide his affiliation, and the cretin would bring the matter to an armed clash and to the death of our border guards (58 killed 94 wounded) for a worthless pile of sand under international law that belonged to China .
        The border guards could not leave their posts without an order, it was not their business to decide the demarcation of borders. They died like heroes, but did not retreat. There is nothing to reproach them with.
    4. Quiet
      Quiet 4 September 2013 17: 14 New
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      maybe he earns money on the "Chinese" theme !?

      There is an anecdote: Why China did not fly into space for so long - the answer: They were afraid ... on the rocket it was written "Made in China" ... wassat fool laughing am
    5. mark1
      mark1 4 September 2013 17: 49 New
      +1
      "Chinese expansion is inevitable" - Autumn ... Urgently give a friend a shot in the head.
      1. alone
        alone 4 September 2013 18: 26 New
        +1
        maybe a sledgehammer?
      2. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 4 September 2013 18: 35 New
        +4
        There are so many comments and not a single sensible one. only attempts to declare the author weak-witted and inferior. All this seems to be from the fact that the opponents fail to argue with the danger of the Chinese threat to our borders. It hurts the picture is clear.
        Shame on you comrades, since you can’t say anything about the case, you don’t need to gnaw and giggle, otherwise they look very much like bazaar aunts. 13 comments and all - an empty chatter.
        1. alone
          alone 4 September 2013 18: 54 New
          +4
          Well, I won’t say anything about the author. I just don’t understand why half of the 31st artillery corps looks towards Russia I don’t understand

          for those who do not know. The 31st China artillery corps is also the Russian Strategic Rocket Forces
          1. Arabist
            Arabist 4 September 2013 19: 03 New
            +2
            Not the 31st, but the 2nd. Have you seen it yourself?
          2. mark1
            mark1 4 September 2013 21: 43 New
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            Quote: lonely
            Well, I won’t say anything about the author. I just don’t understand why half of the 31st artillery corps looks towards Russia I don’t understand

            And where should he look if he has 2/3 of short- and medium-range missiles? To look far away at America, India, Japan and we sinners remain. the question is, what is the degree of readiness (in the directions), and this is neither known to me nor you.
            Regarding the author - I believe that he either had a revelation at night, or that he serves someone’s interests (or maybe the Chinese just threw him on the market) a military option of expansion is possible only with the extreme weakening of our state (as an option, a traitor like Gorbachev’s coming to power) , but there are so many territorial claims against us on the perimeter of neighboring countries, so they will be torn apart by the whole pack and not the fact that China will be the main smoker. Now an alliance with us is more important for China than to bite pieces from us. to there is a more dangerous opponent (with what is common) with which he alone can not cope. Peaceful expansion is more dangerous, but it was possible to stop the flow from China only during the USSR, closing the border tightly, now we need to come up with other options. but probably still have to give them citizenship (double ban). I repeat - territorial integrity depends on the health of our state, the infection does not attack a healthy organism.
        2. Gur
          Gur 4 September 2013 21: 08 New
          +2
          In rare cases, I agree with you, it is certainly not worth dramatizing, but also stupid in terms of that we are "the best warriors" "that we have experience" and all that - blah blah blah not the point. China is building up its muscles, and it just needs a good chance, a moment, and it won't be difficult for it to do everything without much effort and without the use of nuclear weapons, and they wanted to spit from the Efilian Tower on all our friendship and agreements. And while we are oil suppliers and other natural resources, we will be friends, but as soon as something in the world changes in relation to Russia or in Russia itself, anything can happen and you need to be prepared for this. But, alas, we are still far from our peak, even in relation to the USSR, all the more so if benefactors will take away Russia with the same persistence and at such a pace and on such a scale, we will not achieve anything, not only in military, economic, but even simply in demographic plan.
    6. Valery Neonov
      Valery Neonov 4 September 2013 18: 51 New
      0
      and how is it Chinese ... well, such as expansion, for those who live in Moscow ... Hey Stomach from RUSSIA ....
    7. Nikaviz
      Nikaviz 4 September 2013 21: 05 New
      +2
      And I remember the uncle’s return from military service ... 69m came already in August, served in the artillery .. in the place of May ... and I remember the curses that fell from everyone on this aggression .. and at home it was sickening to wait from the unknown.
  2. svp67
    svp67 4 September 2013 16: 12 New
    +5
    Chinese expansion is inevitable. Alexander Khramchikhin

    Maybe the author is right, but the world is very changeable, and not the fact that in 5 years China will be as strong as it is now ... But one thing can be said that the next article about the Chinese expansion of Alexander Khramchikhin is inevitable ...
  3. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 4 September 2013 16: 13 New
    +8
    At first I thought that the article was written by Pupyrchaty, but it turned out not. The author drives a little, so easy. If now we put ten full-fledged divisions on the border with China, then even so we will lose quantitatively. It means only nuclear weapons, and this is understood in China.
  4. Druid
    Druid 4 September 2013 16: 13 New
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    Yes, in principle, China does not restrain anything from expansion, especially against the backdrop of increasing migration of Russians from regions bordering China with the European part of Russia.
    1. Theophanes
      Theophanes 4 September 2013 20: 00 New
      +3
      I read the responses to the article. It seems to me that Muscovites who have never been to the Far East scold the article. But the inhabitants flee from the Far East to Russia precisely because of the Chinese. They already have the ocean. They marry our girls and send their children to foster care. China. What do you think, who will return home having a Russian passport, Russian or Chinese?
      1. Arabist
        Arabist 4 September 2013 20: 03 New
        +1
        What does it mean to flee from the Far to Russia? Is this a different country? Do you live in the Far East?
      2. Ducksar
        Ducksar 5 September 2013 17: 55 New
        0
        I agree with you Feofan and on the far side of their ... oy chew and already in Siberia, although there are still more "guests" from the average ... and every year! They crush us from all sides and the people about friendship ... they let loose! Open your eyes !!!

        In my opinion, the most important thing is to close the open access of foreign speakers to enter Russia (in such volumes as now), because the fifth column, oh, it will be inappropriately in difficult times ... but if they want it by force, this is a completely different matter.
  5. NAV-STAR
    NAV-STAR 4 September 2013 16: 15 New
    +2
    How much can the Chinese frighten, they have not selected social problems. Before you get scared, you need to become more familiar with the history, economic policy, social situation of the Middle Kingdom.
  6. Alikovo
    Alikovo 4 September 2013 16: 16 New
    +5
    China can really begin to expand, otherwise why keep a 2.5 millionth army with 2 economies in the world.
  7. Arabist
    Arabist 4 September 2013 16: 18 New
    +2
    The Chinese need to first learn how to fight a little, and then climb to the people who, if not the best at war, can be among the first. The Communist Party is trying to rectify the situation, however, as the conflict on Damansky Island and the Sino-Vietnamese war showed, it turns out to be shitty for her. No, he certainly can occupy Tibet with a population of 3,5 monks and frighten the former Soviet republics with one desire to come and visit, but in the end, over the course of its long history, China has bent everyone who is not lazy - starting with the Mongols and ending with a ravaged war with the Americans Vietnam. Especially often the Japanese loved and bend over, leaving a long and bright memory about themselves. True, Chinese weapons, even the newest ones, nevertheless, are Chinese, with all the consequences, and in the era of high-precision bombs and missiles with nuclear warheads, the number of cheap units will only affect the number of yellow leather scattered around the neighborhood.
    1. Doctor Evil
      Doctor Evil 4 September 2013 16: 47 New
      +5
      Arabist, when copy-paste excerpts from Lurkomorye, please be so kind, do not forget the reference. Otherwise, outright plagiarism turns out. Ugly.
      1. Arabist
        Arabist 4 September 2013 16: 55 New
        0
        Okay Ilya, I won’t repeat this mistake again.
    2. serge-68-68
      serge-68-68 4 September 2013 16: 50 New
      0
      In vain you were distracted from strategy games. Now, for sure, some zerg or protos broke through ...
      1. Arabist
        Arabist 4 September 2013 16: 55 New
        +2
        I do not play such games, do not worry.
    3. Iraclius
      Iraclius 4 September 2013 19: 04 New
      -1
      Hehe ... China bent all and sundry his whole story? Eh, bljad, when will these stupid hat-making moods disappear in us? Already wrote, not a sin to remind.
      Peace colonizer? Avothren!
      Short:
      - Qin empire - the lands of owls are annexed North Vietnam;
      - Han - destroyed the state of Viet;
      - Han - the Korean state of Joseon was destroyed and assimilated;
      - Han - military and predatory campaigns in East Turkestan and Ferghana;
      - Tan - absorption of part of the lands of the Turkic Kaganate;
      In 749, the Chinese commander Gao Xianzhi stormed Tashkent, executing its Turkic ruler, Moheda ... Yes, they got to Central Asia. Even much later than the campaigns in Ferghana of the legendary Han General Lee Guang-li.
      1. Arabist
        Arabist 4 September 2013 19: 25 New
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        Qin Shihuang announced the cessation of all wars forever, collected weapons from the princes and remelted, building 12 large monuments.
      2. Arabist
        Arabist 4 September 2013 19: 28 New
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        The battle took place in July 751 on the Talas River. For four days the army stood against each other, not daring to join the battle. On the fifth day, the forces of the Karluks, who were part of the imperial army and cheated on their overlords, unexpectedly hit the rear of the Chinese. The Chinese army faltered and fled. Convoy Gao Xianzhi hardly paved the way for the commander among the panicked warriors.

        The battle put an end to the westward advance of the borders of the Tang Empire. At the same time, the Chinese military leaders managed to inflict significant damage on the Arab forces, which suspended their advance eastward, in Semirechye, onto the lands of the Turgesh Kaganate. The uprising of An Lushan, which broke out a few years after the battle, undermined the power of Tang China and forced the emperor to withdraw his border garrisons to the east.
  8. sumcream56
    sumcream56 4 September 2013 16: 28 New
    +3
    TREK Research and Production Company CJSC manufactures EK-12 ekranoplans by orders and designs ekranoplans of various dimensions for individual orders, primarily foreign ones, Vyacheslav Kolganov, General Director and Chief Designer of TREK NPK CJSC, told AviaPort.
    The most famous of the ekranoplans created is the EK-12 Ivolga ekranoplan. At the International Aviation and Space Salon MAKS-2013 at the end of August of this year, the TREK company demonstrated the EK-12 No. 04 ekranoplan intended for delivery to one of the countries of Southeast Asia (SEA). A contract was signed with this country for the supply of 10 ekranoplanes of the EK-12 type and the device that was demonstrated at MAKS-2013, the ekranoplan EK-17 with a launch weight of 4750 kg and a maximum payload of 1600 kg is an improved type of EK-12 and is intended to replace the ekranoplanes on the market type EK-12. In the EK-17 project, it acquired a slightly larger passenger capacity - up to 17 people (15 passengers and 1-2 crew members) instead of 12 on the EK-12, but retained the complete power plant of two Chevrolet LS-3 car engines. Due to the difficulty of creating and introducing ekranoplanes into production in Russia, the production of EK-17 was transferred abroad (the country was not announced). The creation of the EK-17 can be expected in the relatively near future, the ekranoplan prototype is already under construction. It will also be handed over to the customer. NPK TREC is also preparing for the production of Ivolga EK-30 ekranoplanes. This development is carried out at the expense of one of the undisclosed countries of Southeast Asia and in the interests of this country.
    NPK "TREK" also carries out design work on ekranoplanes of a larger standard size. In particular, the design of the EK-100 ekranoplan of the "river-sea" class has begun on the order of an unannounced customer. In addition, preliminary research and design at an early stage of the EK-150 ekranoplan is also carried out by order from abroad. EK-150 has a launch weight of 355 tons with a payload weight of up to 150 tons. It is designed to carry up to 1290 passengers with a crew of 3-5 people. The power plant of the EK-150 ekranoplan consists of six PS-90A TDDs with a thrust of 16 tons. Flight speed: cruising / maximum - 600/700 km / h. each. The flight range will be 6000 km. The specific fuel consumption of the ekranoplan will be 0,056 kg / t.km, while the same indicator for aircraft of this class is 0,35-0,6 kg / t.km.
    I wonder what this country of Southeast Asia is? Isn't it China? Let me remind you that Ukraine has built for China three of the world's largest amphibious assault ships on an air cushion "Bizon" - according to a modified design of the Soviet Bison. What is ALL THIS for?
  9. Duelist
    Duelist 4 September 2013 16: 34 New
    +2
    I have already spoken out many times about nuclear landmines for invaders that cannot be neutralized, and they make the territory nuclear-hazardous, as they can work anytime. And then the goal of China loses all meaning. We need advanced weapons, since there is a nuclear shield, and sworn friends constantly rattle with offensive toys, begging for teeth. They are so unhappy because they do not see a possible rebuff. No need to swear in peace there is a struggle for survival, and not a game of gallant gentlemen. Our military doctrine must affirm that we protect our interests in all regions of the world. Amer in their impudence allowed themselves much more.
    1. shark
      shark 4 September 2013 16: 45 New
      0
      The idea with land mines is just fine. I support it. Let it be captured. They won’t get anything except the radioactive desert. Neither myself nor people. I always liked this principle.
  10. shark
    shark 4 September 2013 16: 44 New
    +5
    But I think the author’s conclusions are quite acceptable. It’s worth recalling at least trains with gasoline and wheat that crossed the Soviet border towards Germany as early as June 21, 1941. Friends helped ... Historical analogies have a right to life. That's why I believe.
  11. Brave
    Brave 4 September 2013 16: 46 New
    -1
    Some kind of slippery and unconvincing little article smacks of the imposition of someone else’s opinion.
  12. yan
    yan 4 September 2013 16: 47 New
    10
    Chinese expansion has long begun, while the truth is in the economic sphere
  13. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 4 September 2013 16: 48 New
    10
    Long gone are the days when the Chinese attacked in small groups of 1-2 million with the support of two tanks and one aircraft. The People's Republic of China has in fact become a real (not an operetta, as in the days of the USSR) global political player. Yes, they are falling behind. But they are catching up quickly. And laughing at them is a sign of a dull mind. Just in case: the PRC has managed to modernize and become a "world factory" where the USSR collapsed, and the Russian Federation is barely getting out of the hole. And the most unpleasant thing is that the PRC is in no hurry. With the advent of the chipboard, her policy began to be calculated a hundred years ahead. The PRC is the core of the future civilization that will replace the American-European one.
    1. Arabist
      Arabist 4 September 2013 16: 54 New
      +6
      The PRC has become a factory of the world not because of the fantastic mind of the Communist Party of the PRC, but because the workforce there is 35 times cheaper than in the West. Quickly catching up? For some reason, engines for the su-35 cannot be made, and there is no combat experience. List of wars in which China was the winner?
  14. ROA
    ROA 4 September 2013 16: 51 New
    +2
    I hope China will experience economic collapse, civil war and collapse.
  15. Avenger711
    Avenger711 4 September 2013 16: 52 New
    +6
    This is already Manechka in general ... By the way, how does China, which in 20 years will face a youth shortage due to birth restrictions now, generally plan to expand somewhere? To the South, where are there many? To the north, where is there nowhere to live? What is the whole point of expansion? Billion people to resettle? So it does not want to settle in places that we, like Vorkuta and Kolyma, count. Take control of the resources that he already receives for money without problems?
  16. kudma
    kudma 4 September 2013 16: 54 New
    +3
    In the pool, as they say
  17. Andrew 447
    Andrew 447 4 September 2013 16: 56 New
    +2
    Let me give you a simple example from personal experience. I was in Guangzhou (China) when Fokushima hit. The Chinese swept all the iodized salt off the shelves in a few hours, the state supplied it from its reserves to the south of China. On TV, they showed "salt" speculators. This is an example of the fact that the Chinese have a sense of self-preservation no less than the American one. Our nuclear strike will deprive China of the main fertile lands from which they take 2-3 crops a year. And our Amur region is a zone of risky agriculture, at best, with 1 crop of potatoes. the Chinese do not need their own army in the rear.
  18. nikcris
    nikcris 4 September 2013 16: 59 New
    +3
    When China returns to Formosa, then we’ll worry about tactical nuclear weapons in a hundred thousand pieces. bully
    The writer did not even look at the globe. Mongolia with 2 million people and minerals is not considered. Brunei is not considering. And other Singapore. In his brain bone expediency does not move. Say, Uncle Lee is sleeping and dreaming about how he enthusiastically builds Beijing-on-Kolyma, Shanghai on Vilyui and other voluntary construction projects of victorious Chinese communism. But it doesn’t move for the simple reason that a stereotype is triggered - you can rake behind Brunei (I don’t have such a stereotype hi ), and for the Vilyui Kolyma - all that’s the matter F - five gigatons.
    BreT, in short, not an article negative
    1. Arabist
      Arabist 4 September 2013 17: 04 New
      +4
      In his last article, Khramchakhin wrote that China is the only nuclear power in Asia. I will omit the age-old dispute about which country Russia is and just recall the nuclear sword of India, Pakistan, Israel and the DPRK. The author either does not know about the existence of nuclear weapons in these countries or does not believe that they are in Asia and this does not hint at his competence. What can be expected from him?
  19. Alex66
    Alex66 4 September 2013 17: 12 New
    +6
    "For the production of military equipment of all major classes, except for nuclear submarines and aircraft carriers ..."
    The Chinese are not going to fight with America, Japan or other maritime power. Their army on the ground in India through the mountains is unlikely to climb. We remain with Mongolia to Central Asia.
    1. 77bob1973
      77bob1973 4 September 2013 17: 54 New
      0
      The army of China, though land, and large, but in which a lot of what is missing. The Chinese are a good athlete but not a warrior.
  20. Troy
    Troy 4 September 2013 17: 16 New
    0
    I would not want to live up to this, I can even imagine the joy of the geyropeytsev and s, if we grab each other's throats.
  21. Dyukha Siberian
    Dyukha Siberian 4 September 2013 17: 22 New
    +1
    ))) I think that in the event of an attack, Russia will help China with both the population and free territories, missile strikes on their territory!))) but I think that China has weaker neighbors than Russia due to which they can expand- southern and western borders! but still I hope for peace and alliance with China!
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 4 September 2013 18: 19 New
      -2
      Quote: Dyuha Siberian
      I think that China has weaker neighbors than Russia due to which they can expand, the southern and western borders!
      Have you taught geography for a long time? From the west of them there is only the sea. It is true that there is Taiwan through the strait, but not to the Chinese with one under-carrier against 4-5 AUGs with Nimitsy. And even assuming the unbelievable - that America will surrender Taiwan to them, it is still densely populated by almost the same Chinese. Whom to relocate to?
      In the south are the Indochinese jungle. Partisanism there is just that, but somehow not very much to move there. All places where at least somehow you can live for a long time, all sorts of Vietnamese and other Khmers have occupied, and the Chinese will have to cut them out to make way for immigrants. They would have cut it out, but Geyropa and America would be unhappy, and as soon as they began to boycott Chinese goods, their economy would collapse.
      Further there is India, but in front of it are mountains. The ideal terrain for defense, and for the offensive, respectively. Well, turkeys will not be tormented by conscience for long, but will immediately launch missiles with nuclear warheads. They are few, but enough for the main cities of China.
      Well, the ability of Russia to fight in the Far East was checked back in 1905. How has the capacity of roads increased since then? Even if the Chinese would stupidly drive the crowds to machine guns, the cartridges would run out before the Chinese, and there was no way to bring in new ones.
      1. Arabist
        Arabist 4 September 2013 18: 24 New
        0
        Have you taught history for a long time? At the time of the Russo-Japanese War, the First Revolution was already underway in the country, and the Tsar Rag was a little before the war. You do not say that now Mongolia will conquer us? And what, the precedent was.
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 4 September 2013 19: 13 New
          0
          Quote: Arabist
          Have you taught history for a long time? At the time of the Russo-Japanese War, the First Revolution was already underway in the country, and the Tsar Rag was a little before the war.

          I admit, I taught history a long time ago, back in Soviet times. If I didn’t forget, then the textbook said that the failure of the tsarist government in the war was one of the causes of the revolution, and by no means its consequence. Yes, and the dates confirm.

          Russo-Japanese War January 27 (February 9) 1904 - August 23 (September 5) 1905

          Revolution 1905-1907 January 9 (22), 1905 - June 3 (16), 1907

          Maybe now the official version has changed, but I'm not in the know.
          1. Arabist
            Arabist 4 September 2013 19: 20 New
            0
            The reasons for the failures of the Russian armies and navy and their specific defeats were due to many factors, but the main ones were the incompleteness of military-strategic training, the colossal remoteness of the theater of operations from the main centers of the country and the army, and the extremely limited communications networks [1]. In addition, starting in January 1905, a revolutionary situation arose and developed in Russia.
      2. Revolver
        Revolver 4 September 2013 19: 25 New
        0
        Quote: Nagan
        From the west of them only the sea

        Oops, from the east. A little head was busy with the wrong one.
  22. nikcris
    nikcris 4 September 2013 17: 27 New
    0
    Quote: Alex66
    "For the production of military equipment of all major classes, except for nuclear submarines and aircraft carriers ..."
    The Chinese are not going to fight with America, Japan or other maritime power. Their army on the ground in India through the mountains is unlikely to climb. We remain with Mongolia to Central Asia.

    1 Japan MARINE POWER? belay
    2 The army can reach the Trans-Siberian Railway (in very rare places). Further on foot. They will capture more rice and reach the Arctic. Then the rice will end - they will begin to bend. And here the Azerbaijanis will sail on a chartered icebreaker and unleash trade: a bowl of Krasnodar rice for 36 thousand yuan. Money will run out quickly. Azerbaijanis will sail away - they are skeptical of self-sacrifice. And all this hellish ground army will plow XNUMX hours a day in the gardens of Abramovich for empty cabbage soup and a bunch of pearl barley. And then, if the northern delivery will work - it’s not from England that the Chinese hard workers to eat oatmeal drinks
    1. alone
      alone 4 September 2013 18: 52 New
      +3
      Thank you for mentioning us, but I’ll tell you so. will manage somehow without us. we are fine without the Chinese.

      ps traders do not have a nation. In vain all of us are among traders. hi
  23. lotar
    lotar 4 September 2013 17: 38 New
    +2
    I believe that it is better to stay away than not. There are many attractive territorial and material resources in Russia, both for China and the USA, and for other countries. And with this in mind, you must at least have something that makes it difficult or even does it is impossible to achieve an appropriate position among potential aggressors.
  24. nikcris
    nikcris 4 September 2013 17: 38 New
    0
    In general, I almost described myself out of fear - the brave Chinese, having got Hong Kong in the ass, do not bother there. Apparently Britons are much worse than Russians.
    1. alone
      alone 4 September 2013 18: 48 New
      +2
      Britons are no longer in Hong Kong. Hong Kong handed over to China
  25. serge
    serge 4 September 2013 17: 52 New
    +1
    Suppose the Chinese need new territories. But why do they need new radioactive territories, while the old ones will also become radioactive? Where will they live? Although non-nuclear armed forces need to be developed, what is the question.
  26. GREAT RUSSIA
    GREAT RUSSIA 4 September 2013 18: 13 New
    0
    I don’t know if there will be a war between RUSSIA and China, but if they attack, it will not seem a little to them from us. Let them attack even with an army of 500, we RUSSIANS will stand to the last, we are not Japanese, that would croak like birds about the fact that they do not have ammunition, or how the Americans are morally falling, we will not give our HOMELAND to anyone, even if we have to demolish not only China but the whole world with nuclear weapons, if necessary, we will blow up ourselves and them, if necessary, we will demolish their lands with nuclear weapons, even if we have to lose our own lands because of these weapons, even if we ourselves have to die under a nuclear mushroom. As the saying goes, “if not me, then not you, and indeed no one.” We did not give the land to Napoleon, we and These lands were not given to the Nazis, and we will not give these lands to the Chinese either.
  27. Darth Revan
    Darth Revan 4 September 2013 18: 20 New
    +1
    Please name at least one victorious war involving China. They are only able to dissolve the conquerors in their culture, but to conquer themselves is not very successful for them. Although, just in case, you need to keep your ear with feng shui in the air.
  28. Troy
    Troy 4 September 2013 18: 22 New
    +1
    Quote: GREAT RUSSIA
    I don’t know if there will be a war between RUSSIA and China, but if they attack, it will not seem a little to them from us. Let them attack even with an army of 500, we RUSSIANS will stand to the last, we are not Japanese, that would croak like birds about the fact that they do not have ammunition, or how the Americans are morally falling, we will not give our HOMELAND to anyone, even if we have to demolish not only China but the whole world with nuclear weapons, if necessary, we will blow up ourselves and them, if necessary, we will demolish their lands with nuclear weapons, even if we have to lose our own lands because of these weapons, even if we ourselves have to die under a nuclear mushroom. As the saying goes, “if not me, then not you, and indeed no one.” We did not give the land to Napoleon, we and These lands were not given to the Nazis, and we will not give these lands to the Chinese either.

    Naturally, I’m not afraid of the Chinese, but it would be much more pleasant for me to turn my head to the Amer or Geyropei than to the Chinese
  29. VDV 80-82
    VDV 80-82 4 September 2013 18: 29 New
    0
    Of course you need to be afraid of them ... but you should not exaggerate the danger! the Chinese have a good memory; Damansky is well remembered. Well, if they start to forget, then recall! And remember, hamsters, the Red Army cannot be defeated !!! (s)
  30. Letnab
    Letnab 4 September 2013 18: 31 New
    +3
    mainly in the discussion of the article, hatred moods .. I live near the border with China, and I feel some wariness, especially when I look at the flight map where there is the border territory of China ... when you see that roads along the entire border have been built along the border with China, and how China conducts exercises to transfer armies from district to district! And about what forces can withstand them .. Joys like conclusions do not represent!
  31. nikcris
    nikcris 4 September 2013 18: 32 New
    +1
    Quote: Nagan
    Quote: Dyuha Siberian
    I think that China has weaker neighbors than Russia due to which they can expand, the southern and western borders!
    Have you taught geography for a long time? From the west of them there is only the sea.

    Are you definitely a geography teacher? belay
    At my military department, Shosh was a physics teacher. Seydalin. Captain. He put deuces to everyone who did not know the fifth state of aggregation of matter. On it they were: solid, liquid, gaseous, plasma and vapor smile But he was friends with the compass, although he hardly knew geography ...
  32. dmitrii1985
    dmitrii1985 4 September 2013 18: 32 New
    +3
    just nonsense! The Chinese in priori will not be able to attack. For me, it’s already more expensive to attack any power possessing nuclear weapons!
  33. Deadman
    Deadman 4 September 2013 18: 44 New
    +1
    ours are actively pouring large sums of money into the Far East, including for the development of the Armed Forces, they can not be blamed for the foresight of the Chinese problem, but it cannot be said that they are blind! Then all this will be pointless ... So they know)))
  34. Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 4 September 2013 18: 44 New
    +2
    Khramchikhin again ... I, as I read the title of the article, immediately realized that it was he ...

    All he needs!

    In essence. Of course, China is expansive, booming, etc.

    But why should he fight with us? They have not yet learned to grow rice in permafrost.

    The Far East and Transbaikalia are mountainous, impassable terrain.

    In addition, Russia is quietly selling resources to the Chinese. In case of war, the infrastructure will be destroyed, m. irrevocably.

    Blitzkrieg? Well, the Chinese will occupy Vladivostok and Khabarovsk. A "vigorous loaf" will fly to them. And hi!

    Do they need it?

    And also, if the Chinese start a war with Russia, they can sneak up on them from the backyard ...
  35. left-wing
    left-wing 4 September 2013 18: 45 New
    +1
    China will never confront Russia, it is not profitable for them, and the Chinese are a very pragmatic nation
  36. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 4 September 2013 18: 46 New
    +2
    Are they scaring China again ?? (there is such a problem ..) The main threat for Russia and the most destructive THIS IS THE FIFTH COLUMN inside the country ((remember the history) and China is scared by them to distract us from the main threat .. from those who control and incite them to repeat again "controlled house "Russia is a very tasty morsel (this is not Iraq, Libya or Syria ..) So we think the men are thinking, analyzing and not giving in to provocations .. Time X is already coming.))
  37. kind
    kind 4 September 2013 18: 48 New
    +1
    Over the course of all these 20 years, both PRC officials and Chinese scholars have consistently emphasized that Russian-Chinese relations are not allied and are not directed against anyone. This is Beijing’s firm position, both official and factual.

    A neighbor is a neighbor, even a good one, but you need to put a fence just in case.
  38. nikcris
    nikcris 4 September 2013 18: 49 New
    0
    Quote: VDV 80-82
    Of course you need to be afraid of them ... but you should not exaggerate the danger! the Chinese have a good memory; Damansky is well remembered. Well, if they start to forget, then recall! And remember, hamsters, the Red Army cannot be defeated !!! (s)

    Daman became Chinese almost immediately. See the map.
    Regrettably, in this conflict the Chinese were more right than us. hi
  39. lilit.193
    lilit.193 4 September 2013 18: 50 New
    +1
    China is actively arming and rearming its army. Taiwan is the little things. They would have devoured it a long time ago and wouldn’t choke if Taiwan had not been in the US allies. In Japan, the Chinese have nothing to do. There is nothing but the Japanese, and they will not tolerate such occupiers as the Chinese. And again, the Japanese have allies in the United States.
    Can mate with India. Pakistan will probably help here. Mongolia is not excluded either. And they will be friends with us only as long as it is profitable.
    In general, China is a very unreliable neighbor. With him you always need to keep your ear sharp.
  40. e-froloff
    e-froloff 4 September 2013 18: 54 New
    0
    I agree that in this world, everyone, even friends, must be afraid (Ukraine, confirmation of this). But what will you do, Sibiryak !!!, when a Chinese comes to your land (I say, Chinese without hatred for you)? I don’t think that you you’ll argue that the strategic nuclear forces are the last argument !!! For your home, for the Father, for the Mother, every Russian life will be given to us! Let not everything is good (but not so bad as the author writes) with the army, attacking Holy Russia not worth it! We won’t give an inch of our land! Let them not agree with me, but now I’m speaking for all the Siberian peasants, we won’t give our homeland to our Siberian land to anyone !!! Brothers Slavs, Far East !!! Remember with your back Siberians! We are with you! We will support !!! We will stand for the Motherland !!!
  41. Nick_1972
    Nick_1972 4 September 2013 18: 57 New
    +1
    I would like to add a little to the article. The author mentions the incessant migration of the population from the Far East region to the western regions of Russia. Behind the scenes, the fact remains that whales in border cities (Heihe, Hunchun, Sunka) are actively building housing for Russians. For the time being, retirees are moving there, who can barely make ends meet in Russia with their retirement, and in China can afford a bearable life for their pension. I think that with the upcoming sequestration of social spending, the number of Russian citizens living in the PRC will only increase. At the same time, the Chinese themselves are actively developing the empty lands of Primorye and Priamurye. Therefore, commentators who believe that whales will die of hunger in our country, I can advise: tell this to Chinese farmers who grow agricultural products in these regions. And if further the Far East will be considered only as a region in which you can safely drink money on mega-projects of summits, bridges, etc. then sooner or later the moment will come when the whales will say, "Give us our land, because yours is no longer there."
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 4 September 2013 19: 16 New
      0
      Quote: Nick_1972
      At the same time, the Chinese themselves are actively exploring the empty lands of Primorye and Amur. Therefore, I can advise commentators who believe that the whales will bend with starvation: tell this to Chinese farmers who grow agricultural products in these regions.

      Lies, the Chinese are not engaged in anything other than trade and theft of the forest on the territory of the Russian Federation. There are no Chinese farmers there, the climate there is not favorable for agriculture.
      There are more Chinese in Moscow than in the Far East and in Primorye.
      1. Nick_1972
        Nick_1972 5 September 2013 15: 16 New
        0
        I will answer in order:
        - if you google something like "Chinese farmers in Primorye" you will learn a lot of new and interesting things, by the way, about how they pollute our land;
        - there is no need to steal the forest for the Chinese, because effective managers themselves take him to the heavenly places;
        - To trade foreign citizens on the territory of the Russian Federation is prohibited by law for five years, probably.
        And, in general, a respected brutal man, do you live where? Really in the Far East?
    2. shinobi
      shinobi 4 September 2013 19: 28 New
      0
      Tell the grandmothers on the market about agricultural products grown by us by the Chinese. As much as they sell here under the guise of sdes grown, all of China must plow in full force.
  42. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 4 September 2013 19: 01 New
    +4
    Alas, our military-political leadership sees a threat to Russia in the territorial claims of Latvia and Estonia, whose armed forces are totally weaker than the 76-th dhd alone. But China is not a threat to our bosses. There is insanity or crime here - not fundamentally, the result will be one

    Alas, the author is a complete ignoramus in history, in geography and in military affairs.
    China has no reason to fight with Russia, and this is physically impossible. We are separated by thousands of kilometers of impassable mountains and deserts, where there are no transport routes, the Chinese will walk on foot through the Gobi, Takla-Makan, Khingan, Altai, Sayan mountains, etc.
    A narrow strip of Primorye and Amur Region, stretching along the permafrost zone, will not solve the territorial problems of China, and there will be so much hemorrhoids from its capture that only remnants from China will remain.
    Well, the Chinese will capture Magadan and Yakutia, and then what? They will all have a rest there in the first winter. Who will feed and heat them there? Radish and chumiz do not grow there, there is frozen to 1000 m.
    1. left-wing
      left-wing 4 September 2013 19: 08 New
      0
      Well here are sound reasoning
    2. Nick_1972
      Nick_1972 5 September 2013 15: 28 New
      +2
      Dear, I have already answered you above, but to expand your horizons I will also add an area of ​​the Primorsky Territory of about 160 square meters. kilometers, the Amur region - 000 km. Thus, such a "narrow strip" is not weak. And take my word for it, there is no permafrost on the territory of Primorsky Krai, even in the north. By the way, once a former colleague in July invited me to visit Yakutsk. To a joke like permafrost and cold, he replied: the temperature is about thirty above zero, the parents have ripened watermelons under the film.
  43. nikcris
    nikcris 4 September 2013 19: 04 New
    0
    Quote: Nick_1972
    when the whales say "Give us our land, because yours is no longer there."

    Yeah. But only after the Commonwealth plumbers seize power in Germany hi
  44. alone
    alone 4 September 2013 19: 07 New
    +3
    as in the good old joke.

    The Chinese marshal is discussing an attack plan with his generals.

    General LI, you must break up your units into small groups by 22.00 p.m. and seep into the enemy’s rear.
    -Comrade Marshal. Units entrusted to me in small groups of a million people each are located in the rear of the enemy.
    wassat
  45. tank64rus
    tank64rus 4 September 2013 19: 18 New
    +3
    It is strange to read the dispute whether China will attack or not. China is an Empire with a thousand-year history. There will be a need to achieve the goals they need by military means, they will attack. No, they will achieve their goals in other ways. Chinese military theorists wrote about such things thousands of years ago. Therefore, any shapkozakidatelny moods here are very dangerous, as well as a bad search in the West for "friends and allies", which has always sinned part of our intelligentsia.
    1. GREAT RUSSIA
      GREAT RUSSIA 4 September 2013 20: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: tank64rus
      It is strange to read the dispute whether China will attack or not. China is an empire with a thousand-year history.

      And that our country is not a great empire with a thousand-year history, the Chinese remained on such a scale primarily because of their arrogant thoughts, they considered themselves a great power, this is partly true, but they underestimated the enemy and what came of it, you ask which countries do not defeated China? The Chinese lost to both the Mongols and the Japanese, and then were defeated in a regional clash with the USSR. They now hold grudges, this is not memory, they like small children hold grudges. If they were truly pragmatic, then they would not sit in one place, here are our huge lands we won so many enemies why? we evaluated and respected the enemy. And let them not consider themselves a force capable of breaking Russia.
  46. shinobi
    shinobi 4 September 2013 19: 20 New
    +2
    It is interesting that the great Chinese will eat in those territories? There is little arable land in Siberia and the Far East, wheat grows bad. For rice it’s generally cold. Any sane person will answer why this is a simple question and say why there will be no Chinese expansion to the north.

    PS: The article is another horror story, and not even original.
  47. 787nkx
    787nkx 4 September 2013 19: 24 New
    +2
    Greater danger than expansion is China's export to Russia.
  48. Algor73
    Algor73 4 September 2013 19: 45 New
    +3
    Khramchikhin may be wrong in what, but he made the analysis quite correct. If you do not fight, then why the country 2,5 million soldiers, 12 thousand tanks? Does China have potential adversaries? India? Pakistan? Kazakhstan? (where more or less large areas). No, there are already many people there. So Russia. All Siberia is poorly populated, there is room. America is far from China for China, and China does not really strive to take the primacy of superpowers, there is no need, it is building up power. But for what? For the development of technology? He brazenly steals them and develops. There is something to ponder. Hitler also signed a non-aggression pact with the USSR, was a friendly country and how did it end? Nuclear weapons are no longer such a deterrent, they are somehow used to it, and it is not less in China. You can’t panic, but it’s worth considering.
  49. URAL72
    URAL72 4 September 2013 19: 49 New
    +1
    In the 70s, the Chinese military doctrine declared its intentions to confront the USSR and the USA, while realizing that part of the nuclear ammunition from both powers would "get" to China. It was further argued that at least 100 million (out of 600 at that time) Chinese would survive, which "will be enough to control the whole world." I don't think the concept has changed (much). I think we need to have superiority in conventional weapons - attack and transport helicopters, tanks, MLRS, tactical aviation, cruise missiles for strikes against defense and strategically important industries in the deep rear of China (useful in the European theater), and in a non-nuclear version ... At 79, we already discouraged them from fighting Vietnam with the usual demonstration of power with our aircraft and tank walks to the border and back. Having an advantage in firepower, you can get by with limited human resources, because no one will be able to put even 50 million under arms at the same time, and the difficult-to-reach terrain, together with the lack of communications, seriously reduces the "front line" ...
  50. Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 4 September 2013 19: 52 New
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    Khramchikhin ...

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