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Conditionally free education legalized?

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Since the beginning of September, Russia has entered a new era for itself. Together with the arrival of the Day of Knowledge, the news came that the state educational system was completely reformed, fixing the essence of the reforms in the new law “On Education”. And if we take into account that in most Russian families there are either those who study, or those who teach, or both, and others, then the new reform concerns tens of millions of Russians.


Conditionally free education legalized?


The law itself "On Education", let's say, has been hatched for several years. The fruit matured in the womb of the Russian Ministry of Education and Science, and the beginning of "maturation" fell on the era of management of the Russian Ministry of Agriculture Andrei Fursenko, and the final version was born under the current head of the Ministry Dmitry Livanov. The first discussion of the new law took place more than three years ago. At about the same time, it was announced that the law “On Education” of the new sample would not be a purely bureaucratic development, but would become a document created by the active collaboration of the Ministry of Education, specialized committees with representatives of the pedagogical community. Not only university professors and school teachers, but also those people whose children study (studied) in this or that educational institution, as reported, could take part in the discussion of the draft law.

To demonstrate that the law is being widely discussed, and that the opinions of interested persons are taken into account, special educational tables were sent to all educational institutions in the country, to which the teachers should, after consultation, make those proposals and amendments that seem to them extremely important. This made it possible for officials to report that during the work on the draft law, more than 600 thousands of individual proposals and over 40 thousands of collective proposals were considered. And, despite the huge number of proposed amendments, the bill itself, which personifies all the educational reform being carried out in the Russian Federation, if it has undergone any changes, it is only at a cosmetic level: the flow of material and some frankly insignificant points have changed. In general, the final form of the law has changed little in relation to the original version. In this regard, it seems that the game of mass discussion and addition of the bill at the working stage remained so with the game, and the main ideas of the reform conceived by certain officials absolutely did not undergo any changes.

To understand this, you need to come closer to familiarizing yourself with the law on education, which came into force on September 1 of 2013 of the year. Consider and comment on those basic principles that are spelled out in the law.

Statesmen argue that free education is guaranteed in Russia. Exactly about this in his speech the other day spoke Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev.

On the one hand, everything seems to be the following: basic general, complete general, secondary vocational, first higher professional education in our country can be obtained free of charge. However, pre-school education falls somewhat. If we consider that kindergartens in Russia are moving into the category of pre-school educational organizations, then why did the parents of the children not only receive receipts about the need to pay for their children in kindergartens, but also receipts with substantially increased fees? The officials have prepared the following answer to this question: the kindergarten is not only an educational institution, the educators should also look after the children, as they say. Parents do not pay a penny for teaching a kindergarten pupil, but they pay for supervision ...
In principle, few of the parents have obstructed the very idea of ​​charging for kindergarten, since in recent years, the board here has become a matter of course. The following is subjected to criticism: the school can also be called a solely educational system, because the teacher owes his duty not only to teach children how to extract square roots or the rules of writing “living-shi” and “ch-scha”, but also to watch them behavior, adjust it if necessary, monitor communication in such a mini-community as a class or group - in other words, also look after ... This leads to the following thought: would it be possible for certain people to want to use a loophole in the law on education, stating that it is not necessary to pay for schooling, but for education and care it is necessary. It would seem that the fears are unfounded, but here we must immediately turn to another provision of the new law “On Education”.

This position is based on the fact that educational institutions have turned from institutions into organizations. It seems to be the usual bureaucratic move with renaming ... But this is only at first glance. The fact is that the Russian Constitution guarantees free education not at all in organizations, but in institutions that were established by state structures. According to the authors of the draft law, which became law: the institution was established by the state, and the organization could organize itself, and if so, then let it feed on its own ...

The situation is further complicated by the fact that about 2013 billions of rubles are allocated from the federal budget for the implementation of the new Law on Education in 16, but from the regional budgets more than 25 billion are needed for the same purposes rubles. At the same time, the level of financing was determined on the basis of a three-year layout of the budget - back in 405,1, and the prices during this time managed to move up and down repeatedly. It turns out that the main burden of financing educational institutions falls on the subjects of the federation, and far not every head of the region will allow himself to simply take and remove the extra 2011-5 billion rubles from the regional budget, perceiving the thought of the need to comply with the concept of providing free education to those who want. Do we have governors who can spit on the law? According to probability theory, there will definitely be such ...

This judgment is further supported by the following information. In a number of educational organizations of the Central Federal District, at the very beginning of the school year, so-called round tables were held, at which the topic of extrabudgetary sources of financing was discussed as the main topic. Heads of schools, technical schools, organizations of additional education should have announced before the heads of regions and municipalities figures of attracting extrabudgetary funds for past years. Some talked about the profitability of renting sports halls and playgrounds, others narrated about conducting paid course training, others, looking down, said that extrabudgetary sources of funding in 2012 could not be attracted. Obviously, if such a round table was held, then someone needs it ... Someone? Yes, all the same representatives of the regional authorities, who are already beginning to look for a way out of the current situation with the need to finance the educational sector from the regional budget bag for 90-95%.

This alone encourages the leaders of educational organizations to seek, as the famous satirist says, internal reserves.

We turn to the aggregate of free school subjects. Schoolchildren, according to the letter of the law, can receive absolutely free knowledge, skills and abilities in the lessons of mathematics, Russian language, biology, chemistry and a number of other academic disciplines, but, for example, they will have to pay for attending art classes or music.

It would seem, well, okay ... Just the majority will not attend these classes - and the problem is solved. On the one hand, this is really a solution. But there is another side. No matter how much they say that there are “basic” and “non-basic” academic disciplines in the school curriculum, the law does not cancel the need to prepare a so-called comprehensively developed personality. At the same time, the transfer of a certain part of objects to the paid sphere puts them in unequal conditions with respect to the rest. But then, one must frankly say that the new educational system will lose more in relation to the same Soviet one than it will gain. If earlier the student himself could determine the motivation for the development of academic disciplines, today finance is also artificially mixed into this delicate question.
But the authors of the new law say that paid classes at school (for example, in-depth study of mathematics or physics) will negate the corruption component. And the authors could be believed if not for one “but”. The Law “On Education” states that from now on the Unified State Exam (EGE) becomes an obligatory type of final control of students' knowledge and skills (for complete general education), and GIA - for basic general education. This alone leads students to attend these paid classes in order to ultimately receive a positive assessment on the exam or GIA. The law says: do not want - do not attend ... Aha! Schazz! If you don’t attend, you’re most likely to get a bad exam on the exam, because mastering the necessary amount of knowledge to get a positive mark on the exam in the same mathematics (for the allotted 2 hours per week of training according to the standard) is not possible.
This pushes schools to make money on their own students, many of whom are still not going to abandon classes with individual tutors.

One should not forget that the law finally introduces the so-called Bologna system of higher education in Russia with its two levels: bachelor and magistracy. It's okay if not the next "but." Countries that today are among the leaders of world education (Japan, Singapore, South Korea) abandon this system, switching to the option that was effectively exploited in the Soviet Union. And after all, no one can dare to name the South Korean Ministry of Education as retrograde ... For some reason, the Soviet educational experience is stubbornly presented as something miserable and morally obsolete. At the same time, the overwhelming majority of the ideologists of the new reform managed to forget that they themselves had studied in Soviet universities. Or are they trying to convey to us the idea that during the Soviet era they were learning very badly ...

Moreover, the new law obliges the often hobbling regional budgets to pay for student accommodation in dormitories, which can lead to a situation where a student instead of 5-10% will pay 60-70% instead of 100% from his own pocket, or even all XNUMX%. Will there be enough student scholarships for living in a dormitory of a university in a major city? This is unlikely ... By the way, the increase in the cost of living in a student dormitory has already led to dissatisfaction on the part of student unions, which are going to draw the attention of state officials to themselves.

So why did it take to reform education in a way that is definitely linked to the financial side? Maybe to save the federal budget? But if the budget is going to save on the future of the country, then the idea is more than dubious. Perhaps to train managers of educational organizations in the search for alternative sources of income? But then it was possible to immediately designate schools, technical schools and universities not by organizations, but an LLC - everything would be extremely clear, and people would have no unnecessary questions about the purpose of the reform ...

And if the questions on reform give rise to unequivocal answers, no matter what happened with the military reform: first they reformed, then they took up their heads and began to look for opportunities to play back a number of points. True, with educational reform, everything will be much more complicated. It is here that the first tangible fruits will not appear tomorrow, but only after a few years, and during this time the situation may be aggravated so that Mama do not grieve ...
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  1. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 3 September 2013 07: 56 New
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    Education - creating images. And what kind of images we are trying to suck in, the fool is clear. I would not be surprised if it becomes known that Livanov is also a co-owner of TNT TV.
    1. 225chay
      225chay 3 September 2013 08: 50 New
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      Quote: Ingvar 72
      I would not be surprised if it becomes known that Livanov is also a co-owner of TNT TV.

      Quote: krasin
      Livanov wants to go down in history as a great reformer.

      Looking at his face (if only he can be called that), a feeling immediately arises that this is not ours but some kind of stranger. also w ridges and Cossack. unpleasant faces and nothing good promising the people that's for sure!
      anger and hatred comes from them ...
      1. Toporkoff
        Toporkoff 3 September 2013 09: 23 New
        34
        “You shouldn’t take service on the sovereign and redheads in the sovereign and don’t give a word in court. Earlier, God marks the crap”
        1. Proud.
          Proud. 3 September 2013 10: 01 New
          +1
          Quote: Toporkoff
          "Not to take service of ruffles and redheads on sovereign

          He looks like an actor Almazov, a lyceum:
          1. DEfindER
            DEfindER 3 September 2013 10: 49 New
            +3
            Quote: Be proud.
            He looks like an actor Almazov, a lyceum:

            The complete antipode, of course, looks remotely similar, but they cause completely opposite feelings.
          2. Oleg14774
            Oleg14774 3 September 2013 18: 25 New
            +5
            Quote: Be proud.
            He looks like an actor Almazov, a lyceum:

            Why cast off an actor ?!
        2. DEfindER
          DEfindER 3 September 2013 10: 41 New
          +5
          Quote: Toporkoff
          “Do not take the puffy and redheads to the sovereign and do not give a word in court.

          I thought that it couldn’t be worse than the faces of Chubais .. but no, this face will give odds to any Chubais.
          Why is all this done with education and science, all on the shelves:
          [media = www.youtube.com / watch? v = HUHeGoGLDSg]
          1. B_KypTke
            B_KypTke 3 September 2013 11: 05 New
            +5
            Well, right Lombroso’s theory turned out. recourse
        3. Privat
          Privat 4 September 2013 06: 41 New
          +4
          The country will not pull another Chubais ...
        4. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 4 September 2013 12: 25 New
          +2
          Quote: Toporkoff
          "Do not take puffy and redheads to the sovereign and do not give a word in court

          Chubais won’t be kicked out.
      2. Romch
        Romch 3 September 2013 12: 32 New
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        Looking at his face (if only he can be called that), a feeling immediately arises that this is not ours but some kind of stranger.

        He looks like Chubais, and the reforms will probably be the same. I personally have a different question in this situation, since now is the time when, for a child garden, we pay including compulsory sponsorship in addition to the official part, at school we also pay for textbooks and other sponsorship. The question is, what the hell should my child sing a debt to the motherland? Where did he manage to pay the state? If in the 80s there was really all pre-school education, secondary, higher for free, then it was possible to go and give debt, but now ....
      3. aszzz888
        aszzz888 3 September 2013 12: 36 New
        +2
        Marked very accurately! +
      4. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 3 September 2013 16: 34 New
        +3
        Quote: 225chay
        Looking at his face (if only he can be called that), a feeling immediately arises that this is not ours but some kind of stranger. also w ridges and Cossack. unpleasant faces and nothing good promising the people that's for sure!
        anger and hatred comes from them ...

        Well, it’s not in vain -
      5. Oleg14774
        Oleg14774 3 September 2013 18: 24 New
        0
        Quote: 225chay
        Looking at his face (if only he can be called that) immediately arises

        Give him a good scoreboard!
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    2. Civil
      Civil 3 September 2013 09: 00 New
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      They hit the weakest place, the children ...
      1. domokl
        domokl 3 September 2013 10: 45 New
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        Quote: Civil
        They hit the weakest place, the children ...

        I would even say they’ll hit the future. After such a reform, we can’t see the Lomonosovs anymore ... Yes, and education will be divided into metropolitan and peripheral and, alas, not in favor of peripheral. Budgets are different and, accordingly, will be taught in different ways.
        Already, many Moscow-type students are studying in absentia at Siberian and Far Eastern universities at paid faculties. The salary of a Muscovite allows you to pay for such alleged studies. But what kind of specialists they are ... if you do not even come to exams ...
        1. Papakiko
          Papakiko 3 September 2013 15: 05 New
          +4
          Quote: domokl
          .Yes and education will be divided into metropolitan and peripheral

          Now isn’t that so?
          Want to get a GOOD education and KNOWLEDGE go to Moscow Moscow State University, Baumanka and so on. It’s like a sport of high achievements.
          What the Far East and all the “newly-renewed” federal universities have given, only time will tell and not earlier than 5-7 years.
          Neither the teaching staff "for ... tormented" by the endless reform, nor students are experiencing "happiness" from the new law on education.
          Quote: feuer
          TNT needs to be destroyed at all !!

          A "pepper", and NTV?
          Quote: d1m1drol
          It’s not Putin’s reform, but ministries and ministers ... that’s to thank them ... to pay what they deserve.

          Sadness longing for such crying
        2. Dimy4
          Dimy4 3 September 2013 18: 28 New
          +3
          When he received his second education, in our group MAYOR studied !!! mi ... the police, who didn’t even have a technical school behind them, so the signified “major” (put the quotation marks in special quotes) never happened not only at the exams, but even at a booze to mark the end of the session. I reached the diploma.
        3. alone
          alone 3 September 2013 22: 26 New
          +1
          Quote: domokl
          After such a reform, we can’t see the Lomonosovs anymore ...


          Yes, with such reforms, not only Lomonosov, even a normal schoolchild / student will have to look in the morning with lanterns
    3. Max otto
      Max otto 3 September 2013 09: 27 New
      +9
      Livanov has nothing to do with it, such issues are resolved collectively, the prime minister sets the direction, and everything is approved at the level of the prime minister’s government. D. Medvedev is the main reformer. By virtue of his defective worldview, he poorly understands what he is doing. He does not have a strategic vision on any issues, maybe he is a good performer, he knows him, but he is not a strategist.
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 3 September 2013 10: 08 New
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        Quote: Max Otto
        Livanov has nothing to do with it

        Quote: Max Otto
        D. Medvedev - this is who the main reformer

        I’ve set you a minus. Or you really don’t understand. Or, on the contrary, you understand very well. Everything has been laid down. Fursenko and Putin have known each other since 1991, they have joined the Lake cooperative together. Fursenko is now the presidential adviser, oversees education. Yes, and he signs the laws the president.
        Questions are who the main reformer is.
        1. Max otto
          Max otto 3 September 2013 10: 27 New
          -1
          baltika-18
          I never saw where I was wrong.
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 3 September 2013 12: 48 New
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            Quote: Max Otto
            I never saw where I was wrong.

            In voicing the name of the main reformer, Medvedev is only a pawn, "the hat that is left in place as a sign that the place is taken."
            1. Max otto
              Max otto 3 September 2013 13: 48 New
              +4
              This all leads to the beginning of a philosophical debate about "what comes first: an egg or a chicken." Your statement is not without reason. Damn it, on this philosophy, of course, the main thing here is always one, and one is to blame for everything. Question: With such a scale of the state, do you personally have the strength to do everything alone? (By the way, foreign policy in general, almost spreads to the whole globe) So such pawns have a rather large degree of freedom.
              1. matross
                matross 3 September 2013 16: 44 New
                +4
                Quote: Max Otto
                So such pawns have a rather large degree of freedom.

                I agree with you! Serdyukov was not an accidental passenger either. Hands reached - and hello! Unleash dumplings, firewood in the original! And they will reach the educators! This is not true, of course, that Putin does not have a good team of like-minded people, for example, a few trusted people, this is not enough. So you have to take it "according to the recommendations" - like, this one will pull ...
                1. Garrin
                  Garrin 3 September 2013 18: 47 New
                  +5
                  Quote: matRoss
                  This is not true, of course, that Putin does not have a good team of like-minded people, for example, a few trusted people, this is not enough. So you have to take it "according to the recommendations" - like, this one will pull ...

                  Well, what are you talking about, if there are all the most trusted "sidekicks" there (I didn’t make a reservation, it’s not friends, but a sidekick). Together they began to steal in the cooperative "Lake", together and continue. Only the scale has changed.
                  1. matross
                    matross 3 September 2013 19: 26 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Garrin
                    Together they began to steal in the cooperative "Lake", together and continue. Only the scale has changed.

                    I'm talking about the "Lake", I'm sorry, not in the know. And I believe Putin. Irrationally, as in a good king, in Russian. I think that the majority in Russia also believes. As they believed in Stalin and did not believe Khrushchev. They believed Brezhnev and did not believe Gorbachev and EBN, did not believe DAM and wanted Putin to return. You can even hold elections every year - as long as people believe, they will choose without any fraud. The "collective unconscious" cannot be fooled, it is an intuitive understanding - he can; the facts are not the main thing here, it is already something almost religious, we need a leader, not a manager, at least a thousand times smart and honest! This is Russia!!! Rectangular, western schemes do not work for us. The authority of the Motherland is very important to us, "it’s a shame" for the power of literally everyone! Listen to yourself, you will agree with me. We all see mistakes and will not be silent, but this does not change the main thing ...
                    1. Combitor
                      Combitor 4 September 2013 16: 33 New
                      +1
                      matRoss Yesterday, 19:26 ↑ This is for you information.
                      <The base enterprise of the Tambovites is the Petersburg Fuel Company (PTK), the president of the company is Smirnov V.A., vice-presidents: Barsukov (Kumarin) V.S. and Podshivalov A.V.
                      In addition to the PTK, the community includes a significant number of other commercial enterprises, however, within the framework of the issue under consideration, the DPK "Lake" is of the greatest interest, headed by the president of the PTK V. Smirnov. Country consumer cooperative "Lake" (TIN 4712013920) was created without the formation of share capital and registered with the Priozersky territorial branch of the Leningrad Regional Registration Chamber on 10.11.1996.
                      The founders of the cooperative were 8 individuals: the current acting President of Russia Putin V.V. (at the time of registration - deputy managing director of the President of the Russian Federation), his close "business" relationship V. Yakunin (former employee of the KGB of the USSR), the president of the PTK Smirnov V.A., as well as Shamalov N.T., Kovalchuk Yu.V., Myachin V.E., Fursenko S.A. and Fursenko A.A.
                      Earlier, in the beginning of the 90s, Putin V.V. in the same Priozersky district, he built a personal red-brick summer cottage (was registered in the name of his wife) with an estimated value of 650 US dollars, however, the cottage burned down in the winter of 000. In the future, apparently, he decided not to risk personal anymore ( ?) Means and chose to rest on money and the Tambovites facility.
                      It is interesting that Yakunin V.I., Kovalchuk Yu.V., Myachin V.E., Fursenko S.A. and Fursenko A.A., the founders of the DPK "Lake", earlier in 1992, together with other persons, established a certain ZAO Corporation Stream (TIN: 7815001841). It was through Stream Corporation, its president Kovalchuk Yu.V. and Yakunin V.I., Putin V.V. in the first half of the 90s tacitly participated in the illegal export of raw materials, including non-ferrous metals abroad. Subsequently, after the appointment of Putin V.V. to the post of head of the Main Control Directorate of the President of the Russian Federation, V. Yakunin took the post of head of the GKU department in St. Petersburg, and in August 1998, after the appointment of Putin V.V. Director of the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation, candidacy V.I. Yakunin was among the possible candidates for the post of head of the Directorate of the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation for St. Petersburg and the Leningrad Region.> Ruspres, March 15.03.2000, XNUMX.
        2. Combitor
          Combitor 4 September 2013 04: 18 New
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          baltika-18 (2) Yesterday, 10:08 ↑
          <Quote: Max Otto
          Livanov has nothing to do with it
          Quote: Max Otto
          D. Medvedev is the main reformer>
          The old song of all Putinoids: "Ministers are to blame for everything. And the moon-faced leader who appoints them has nothing to do with it."
          Sing putinoids further. Only while your idol in power in the country is finally ruined by all those social guarantees that have somehow been held in the country since the days of the USSR. My daughter’s class teacher said free education in the country will end soon. Those educational standards that are prescribed in the law allow children at the initial level to teach reading and counting, find continents on the map and show in the sky where the Sun and the Moon are. Well, still distinguish the stamen from the pestle. The remaining more in-depth knowledge - apply for additional classes and electives, for a fee. This was said by the teacher - 30 years of experience. Her opinion is businessmen and managers who have settled in the Kremlin, the government and ministries are not only destroying the country's economy, selling off its natural resources, turning Russia into a raw materials appendage of the West and a market for the western “third-rate”, but also killing the country's intellectual potential. And I completely agree with her on this.
          For example, I am interested in, but where did drawing from school programs go? I still have not lost the drawing skills given to me by the school and without any problems, using drawing accessories, I can draw a simple drawing. Now, for our children, names such as compasses, patterns, rails, protractors - this is something, probably from the history of the Middle Ages, artifacts. Yes, and it is understandable. This government, which, under the leadership of the Fuhrer, has occupied our country, does not need technically competent engineers, heads of departments and workshops, competent craftsmen. They know how to think. They know how to disagree with the leadership line. It is better in today's colleges to grow stupid multi-job managers, for whom that line, that compass, is the same. Which have the main working tool - a computer mouse complete with a cardboard cup of coffee. These managers can be managed. They will always agree with everything. And they will always be silent and happy with everything.
      2. DEfindER
        DEfindER 3 September 2013 11: 12 New
        0
        Quote: Max Otto
        Livanov has nothing to do with it, such issues are resolved collectively, the prime minister sets the direction, and everything is approved at the level of the prime minister’s government. D. Medvedev is the main reformer.

        It is clear that they have one team, but Livanov is specifically engaged in the reform (destruction) of education, and in this case, it depends on him whether our future will be or not.
        [media = www.youtube.com / watch? v = Ztpxjs3pUAk]
        1. Combitor
          Combitor 4 September 2013 10: 05 New
          +3
          <[quote = DEfindER] [quote = Max Otto] <... Livanov is specifically involved in the reform (destruction) of education, and in this case it depends on him whether our future will depend on it or not ...>
          [media = www.youtube.com / watch? v = Ztpxjs3pUAk] [/ quote]>
          If the director of the plant sees that the head of one of the workshops does not conduct the production process correctly, contrary to the general policy of the enterprise, which affects the whole production, he dismisses this head of the workshop or forces him to do as he should. Putin (the director of the plant) does not take any measures against Medvedev, Livanov and other ministers (shop managers). So this audience acts in accordance with the general line of our "factory director" -Putin. That is, it acts in the allocated areas of work "as it should." I have simplified this as an example. And then Putininoids are tired of their song about their infallible leader, deceived by bad ministers. Everything in their government is agreed upon and blessed by the Kremlin. Does anyone really think that Fursenko started, and Livanov continued (finished?) The murderous "reforms" of education without discussing the process with Putin and his approval and support?
          And who signs the laws, Sands or something? And the periodic “troubles” that the GDP suits officials and ministers are like that, in order to maintain their image among the lackeys. Yes, so that Putinoids sometimes do not forget to praise their idol.
      3. alone
        alone 3 September 2013 22: 28 New
        +4
        you know, in Russia one person decides. and his surname is Putin. if Putin tells Medvedev he shouldn’t have breakfast in the morning, believe me, Medvedev will stop having breakfast.
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 3 September 2013 22: 51 New
          +4
          Quote: lonely
          if Putin tells Medvedev he shouldn’t have breakfast in the morning, believe me, Medvedev will stop having breakfast.
      4. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 4 September 2013 12: 32 New
        +1
        Quote: Max Otto
        D. Medvedev is the main reformer. By virtue of his defective worldview, he poorly understands what he is doing.

        He understands everything, they have such goals. Hitler’s directive on the conduct of troops in the occupied territories read. There, just the policy of our Ministry of Health and the Ministry of Education is proposed in theory.
    4. Fire
      Fire 3 September 2013 09: 32 New
      15
      TNT channel must be destroyed at all !!! It’s just the dibilization of children and youth ...
    5. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 3 September 2013 10: 53 New
      +1
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      also a co-owner of TNT

      But there was a good channel about 18 years ago
      1. alone
        alone 3 September 2013 22: 30 New
        +1
        wassat Well, 18 years ago, I was also a good guy)))
    6. Joker
      Joker 3 September 2013 20: 40 New
      +1
      C'mon, Poo will save everyone as usual laughing Well, my disaccustomed))
      1. alone
        alone 3 September 2013 22: 30 New
        +1
        laughing honestly lucky you
    7. starshina78
      starshina78 3 September 2013 21: 24 New
      +3
      Whoever Livanov is is not so important. Another important thing is that Russia has embarked on a path leading to the financing of the education of its children by parents and the state. In the news report [yesterday there was only talk about the entry into force of the "Education Law" that the thesis about free education is enshrined in the law, but a small addition was immediately pronounced that only the state standard would be free, and everything else would be for money. It seems that everything is fine, education is free, what else to wait, but you will have to wait for the fact that according to this standard, children will receive a minimum of knowledge, and the maximum necessary for entering a university is already for money. Not for nothing, more than once on TV, experts said that it really hurts a lot of all kinds of universities, many people get diplomas, and there are not enough workers. So they came up with - dad and mom have money, daughter or son will go to college, parents have no money - go to work. What time!
    8. Siberian German
      Siberian German 4 September 2013 05: 01 New
      +3
      jokes as jokes and a friend of mine through the Internet bought textbooks for all classes but only graduating until 1991 hires teachers to tutor those who graduated from institutes before 1991 and you know why - to give him an education and then he hit the hill - here it’s a bitter truth of life. We have disappeared from the program at school drawing astronomy you understand - an engineer without the skill of drawing an astronomer who did not look into the sky - like this
      1. fartfraer
        fartfraer 4 September 2013 06: 14 New
        +3
        Well, in principle, it’s logical. They will introduce the word of God instead of astronomy. It is necessary to educate a slave from childhood, otherwise Spartaki is not minded. I really did not know about canceling the drawing of astronomy. It seems that he himself will have to explain to his child that the sky is not solid, and the cosmos is large and beautiful with billions stars.
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    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 3 September 2013 08: 46 New
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      Quote: Volodin Alexey
      the law finally introduces in Russia the so-called Bologna system of higher education with its two levels: undergraduate and graduate.


      These Hogwarts and Dumbledores already got it. Under Soviet rule, they themselves grew up and studied, and children dunk into some kind of derma.
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  3. krasin
    krasin 3 September 2013 08: 03 New
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    In our country, the Soviet educational experience is for some reason stubbornly presented as something wretched and morally obsolete. Moreover, the vast majority of ideologists of the new reform managed to forget that they themselves studied at Soviet universities. Or they are trying to convey to us the idea that in Soviet times they studied very poorly ...

    The USSR was ahead of the rest in many scientific and technical fields, and in some technologies it was 15-20 years ahead of other countries. Even the United States could not boast of so many advanced technologies.
    Everything is not right, as it is with education. But it was, as it were, the best, thinking people grew up, the West did not recognize, so he denies all of ours in the bud. Livanov wants to go down in history as a great reformer.
    Maybe something to correct in the ministry ?? And things will go! belay
    1. Asgard
      Asgard 3 September 2013 09: 16 New
      26
      Achievements of the West for thinking People raise questions ...
      Well, for example, suddenly microcircuits and a method of their production appeared, in the USSR they began to copy and our microcircuits were (the most) large and heavy - because they themselves, technology perfected and honed with their own minds ...
      The West immediately began to make silicon substrates, and we suffered with galium arsenide and Germany, Was there such a Moore, the founder of INTEL? -so he made a prediction that every 2 years the number of transistors in volume will increase by TWO times, and since then THIS IS PERFORMED WITH HEAVY CONSTANT .....
      in general, when developing an idea, dead-end branches always appear, which seem to promise a breakthrough, but this does not happen, it was so in the USSR ...
      however, in the West, everything appears suddenly and out of nowhere ...
      LCD screens, chips, operating system, cellular communication standard (by the way very expensive)) GMO technologies, ...
      however, they still can not create a powerful rocket engine .... I think that their "sponsors" do not have such technologies)))))they have a different type and they clamped it)))

      Given the awful education system (highly specialized)) well, the "circumcised person" cannot solve any problem, but we see the "Bologna system" winning, even with us, although everyone sees this WAY TO THE DISASTER ....
      if we don’t have “high-tech sponsors” (who studied in another place)))

      Do not judge strictly - just thinking)) so that you think ....
      if you rely not on YOURSELF, your MIND, knowledge, Personal LABOR, it means "to die spiritually" to lose landmarks ..... they all lost there !!!!! They grow a "lapdog"))))
    2. PSih2097
      PSih2097 3 September 2013 11: 52 New
      +5
      Quote: krasin
      Maybe something to correct in the ministry ?? And things will go!

      through an optical sight ... Because nothing else will come of it, well, they’ll remove Livanov, where he will be sent - to be promoted (a simple example is Fursenko, hey, presidential aide) ...
  4. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 3 September 2013 08: 08 New
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    As if I would like with a tarpaulin boot neatly to this red (MORE ONE!) Red-headed m-o-r-d-u and turn right ... or left. It looks like a parasite on the "great on ... but".One field of berries! am
    1. omsbon
      omsbon 3 September 2013 09: 45 New
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      Looking at this image, two phrases from "Gentlemen of Fortune" are immediately recalled;

      - This is with us fussing, bail! But it’s necessary, as in old times in Turkey! They put a thief in a vat with shit and carry around the city. And above him a janissary with a sword, and every five minutes kaaaak whack with a sword over the vat! That's how he dived in all day!
      - What a disgusting erysipelas!
    2. Cormorants
      Cormorants 3 September 2013 11: 36 New
      +1
      The dart will be thrown into this photo.
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 3 September 2013 12: 39 New
        +1
        What prevents?
    3. alone
      alone 3 September 2013 22: 32 New
      +1
      kirzach thing useful. you better try a sledgehammer. very effective thing. in such matters))
  5. ziqzaq
    ziqzaq 3 September 2013 08: 09 New
    25
    Take away the photo of this ghoul, do not spoil the mood ... Where are you Joseph Vissarionovich? It has multiplied here without you bloodsuckers .......
  6. shark
    shark 3 September 2013 08: 12 New
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    How many more times will we step on the same rake? It’s stupid to copy far from advanced, and as life shows, it’s a very dead-end in its development Western experience and squeamishly dismisses ours, which has already been tried and has fully justified itself? When will officials understand that reform is an update, not a commercialization of everything in the world? As a result, when we miss another generation, we come to the need to reform the already reformed education. And so on ad infinitum. There are several reasons for this:
    1. The general desire of officials will be counted out, lick the bossy ass
    2. The general desire of officials to cut the dough
    3. The main cabinet itself is not viable for Medvedev’s cabinet, it’s completely infected with a liberal infection. (There is an exception, but it’s rather a power block of the government, by definition there are fewer liberals) But the rest, graduates of “different business colleges and academies” look at the world from their bells and they’re obviously not going to go down to ordinary people.
    That they have an extra 10-20 tr. rubles per month for additional education of your child? This is a negligible amount of money, they say. As a result, the road is completely blocked for young people, talented but not ambitious, not able to push their neighbors with their elbows, and people like these were at the core of our science. But the kids of these same business academics who genetically absorbed all the rot and meanness of their dads a new elite. Is the time of academicians Lysenko coming? Sometimes scary to think about the future
  7. UFO
    UFO 3 September 2013 08: 14 New
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    Yes, Putin’s reforms are gradually achieving the remnants of past achievements, now they’ll finish off science and you can report it! The cops were "reformed" - they stopped working altogether, the army was reformed - everyone was squandered or stolen, the USE was the production of average "biomass"! Hooray to Comrade Putin! After him, even the grass does not grow, a horseradish reformer. fool
    1. Hon
      Hon 3 September 2013 08: 21 New
      +3
      Quote: UFO
      The cops were "reformed" - they stopped working altogether, the army was reformed - they all squandered or stole

      Well, the police seem to be also working, but in the army the situation is still better than it was, at least the exercises are regularly held.
      1. UFO
        UFO 3 September 2013 08: 37 New
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        Are you familiar with the "cops"? After the "certification" all the "uncomfortable" were driven out into the street, the "licking" were left, they do not want to work.
        Quote: Hon
        but in the army the situation is still better than it was,

        What time are you comparing?
        I mean the army, militia, education and science, "pre-reform", as a model - Soviet. hi
        1. Hon
          Hon 3 September 2013 08: 47 New
          +1
          Quote: UFO
          Are you familiar with the "cops"? After the "certification" all the "uncomfortable" were driven out into the street, the "licking" were left, they do not want to work.

          They always drove out inconvenient people, now they drove out those who are not sorry, not in the sense of the worst workers, but those who have no roof or those who could not agree. In general, as it was and remains, hemorrhoids only became more. My brother worked for five years in the Ugro, left just during the reform, could easily have stayed, but was tired. Now he is planning to return to the bank, it has become boring.
          Quote: UFO
          What time are you comparing?
          I mean the army, militia, education and science, "pre-reform", as a model - Soviet.

          You would still remember the tsar’s army, all the same the situation in the army is improving every year. Not so in education, except for the fact that teachers began to pay, now the situation is worse than in the 90s.
          1. UFO
            UFO 3 September 2013 09: 01 New
            +4
            Quote: Hon
            now kicked out those who do not mind

            belay negative
            Quote: Hon
            You would still remember the imperial army,

            If you are a few years old, then a polemic is useless. request
          2. aviator_IAS
            aviator_IAS 3 September 2013 11: 34 New
            +9
            Quote: Hon
            Not so in education, except for the fact that teachers began to pay, now the situation is worse than in the 90s.


            Firstly, they began to pay far from everywhere. In peppy reports on TV, they modestly say nothing about the increase in working for 1,5 - 2 rates. Not everyone can put an end to their children and family. I know by hearsay, the wife is a teacher. The situation is really getting worse thanks to education officials. Now the teacher has no time to look for interesting materials for the lesson and somehow diversify the educational process. He should draw up detailed curricula for the whole year, and write reports on the work done. This is now in the first place, and how students learn material to officials - absolutely in parallel. The main thing is that the papers were in order. Not only in education, but also in other areas, all laws are adopted to facilitate the "hard" work of officials and secure against surprises. In almost any scenario, the ass is covered with a piece of paper.
    2. kris
      kris 3 September 2013 09: 00 New
      11
      Quote: UFO
      Yes, Putin’s reforms are gradually achieving the remnants of past achievements, now they’ll finish off science and you can report it! The cops were "reformed" - they stopped working altogether, the army was reformed - everyone was squandered or stolen, the USE was the production of average "biomass"! Hooray to Comrade Putin! After him, even the grass does not grow, a horseradish reformer.

      Thank you Vladimir Vladimirovich, for our "happy" tomorrow !!!
    3. d1m1drol
      d1m1drol 3 September 2013 09: 44 New
      -10
      It’s not Putin’s reform, but ministries and ministers ... that’s to thank them ... to pay what they deserve. The cops are working ... the army seems to have come to life a bit. With education, it is not yet clear. But it's too early to throw a tantrum. Let's see what happens in the end. If it is crooked, then 100 thousand are going. signatures and for the revision of the law, amendments, etc. And if it turns out that the law is bad, then believe 100 thousand. signatures will be collected in a couple of months at least.
      1. d1m1drol
        d1m1drol 3 September 2013 10: 11 New
        0
        The feeling that I got to mail.ru hi
      2. Garrin
        Garrin 3 September 2013 10: 50 New
        +8
        Quote: d1m1drol
        Let's see what happens in the end. If it is crooked, then 100 thousand are going.

        But is it now impossible to see what is so crooked - there is simply nowhere more crooked. Education, science, medicine and culture are purposefully destroyed. Where to look further?
        1. d1m1drol
          d1m1drol 3 September 2013 14: 29 New
          -5
          The law came into force on September 1! That is the day before yesterday! Have you already received a payment from school? That's when they send, then let's talk, and until then it's just a tantrum! Scolding power has always been a very successful populist decision. All the populists (politicians) begin to fail, what is not done by them. New ones come and start to cherish the populists .. etc. The USSR will be gone! there will no longer be a planned economy. And it is not regrettable that I am going to live on, and not whine that the old system has collapsed. Do you want to sob? Cry, I will not bother you anymore. Not considered immediately. But it turned out that he got into the bazaar of the old stationmen. By the way, yes .. soon the elections to local governments .. do your best, and not talk in tongues. About the fact that the farce does not need to be told to me .. I heard enough. yes .. and I don’t care about ratings at the moment .. so let's minus. I feel soon another negative character will appear here laughing
      3. stroporez
        stroporez 3 September 2013 11: 05 New
        10
        Quote: d1m1drol
        It’s not Putin’s reform, but ministries and ministers ...
        Well ...... and who appoint these ministers !! ??????????
        1. alone
          alone 3 September 2013 22: 35 New
          0
          President of Russia
      4. PSih2097
        PSih2097 3 September 2013 11: 59 New
        +4
        Quote: d1m1drol
        It’s not Putin’s reform, but ministries and ministers ...

        Quote: stroporez
        Well ...... and who appoint these ministers !! ??????????

        And besides the appointment, who gives them commands? I don’t think that this is all a private initiative of lollipop, Putin cuts him tasks, and he fulfills Medvedev.
      5. saruman
        saruman 3 September 2013 14: 04 New
        +7
        Quote: d1m1drol
        It’s not Putin’s reform, but ministries and ministers ... that’s to thank them ... to pay what they deserve.


        Again the boyars are bad, and the "king", as always - fluffy and white!
      6. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 3 September 2013 16: 50 New
        +3
        Quote: d1m1drol
        It’s not Putin’s reform, but ministries and ministers ...
      7. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 3 September 2013 16: 50 New
        +2
        -----------------------------------------
  8. andrei332809
    andrei332809 3 September 2013 08: 15 New
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    return the education system of the USSR. and return the postgraduate distribution.
    1. Shumer
      Shumer 3 September 2013 08: 39 New
      11
      Your truth, communicating with people of different ages, and especially with youth - I came to the conclusion that the Soviet system was at a fairly high level.
      Yes, as an addition - young people read little.
    2. Sea snake
      Sea snake 3 September 2013 08: 41 New
      16
      Quote: andrei332809
      and return the postgraduate distribution.

      And where to distribute something? Almost all production and C / X have already been "cheated."
      Yes, and who needs an inexperienced student in a private enterprise?
      And as for the law, it’s like this: under the Union, even “in the zone”, convicts were driven with a stick to study or retrain if the schoolchild had no 8k education.
      Now, the country's leadership is already insolently making the next generation of the electorate stupid and thoughtless ... managing the herd is easier.
      1. stroporez
        stroporez 3 September 2013 11: 08 New
        +6
        Quote: Sea Snake
        Now, the country's leadership is already insolently making the next generation of the electorate stupid and thoughtless ... managing the herd is easier.
        creates a population of individuals that are "cheers!" will accept any garbage from the Kremlin. conveniently ....
      2. saruman
        saruman 3 September 2013 14: 42 New
        -1
        Quote: Sea Snake
        Quote: andrei332809and return the postgraduate distribution. And where to distribute something? Almost all production and C / X have already been "bribed". Yes, and who needs an inexperienced student in a private enterprise?


        The solution lies on the surface. If a university cannot employ (distribute) 50% of its graduates, then deprive it of a state license. Thus, the problem of "non-effective" universities will disappear, along with these universities. And the remaining universities will be forced to prepare the necessary specialists for the country and the economy, all within the framework of the liberal economic model. This model is applied to non-state universities. For state universities, a more comprehensive program is needed, because In this way, one can easily lose a scientific school and specialists unclaimed now, but very necessary tomorrow.
        1. Scoun
          Scoun 3 September 2013 18: 36 New
          +2
          Quote: saruman
          If a university cannot employ (distribute) 50% of its graduates, then deprive it of a state license. Thus, the problem of "non-effective" universities will disappear,

          In general, I agree with you .. a lot of all kinds of universities graduate management managers, economists, lawyers and other people get crusts but not knowledge .. and there isn’t such a need for so many ...
          But universities ... it is necessary to identify carefully without the "lumberjack" as last year ... they cleaned revealed so clumsily and not skillfully that in fact they raised ripples and everything remained in their places.
          PS.
          Personally, we would be ready to get a technician, a design engineer, find a few ... look further .. partners of the company with the same trouble .. want to expand .. but we need engineers ..
        2. Landwarrior
          Landwarrior 3 September 2013 23: 45 New
          +3
          saruman, but if you estimate that the university has several faculties? And lawyers-economists, whose groups, for the sake of fashion, are exaggerated to the point of impossibility, he cannot find employment, and people from other faculties are finding jobs in the industry and even in the industry, but their specialties have been reduced ... Well, that’s very simple, a conditional university graduates 1000 specialists, of whom 500 are lawyers and economists (because it’s fashionable) who cannot find a job, the remaining 500 are different technical specialties that work normally. And now, because of a scratch, amputate the arm, huh? wink hi
    3. VasDA
      VasDA 3 September 2013 09: 42 New
      +9
      My SECONDARY education still allows me to know more than graduates of elite lyceums. I want my son to go to secondary school. But .. Alas ...
  9. rereture
    rereture 3 September 2013 08: 17 New
    21
    I’m talking about the hostel right away, (student I) payment increased 2,5 times the scholarship is not enough
  10. tttttt
    tttttt 3 September 2013 08: 22 New
    13
    I don’t even want to write anything ... In a word - an abomination ... Crush us yet and not transmit.
    1. Hon
      Hon 3 September 2013 08: 26 New
      +4
      Quote: tttttt
      I don’t even want to write anything ... In a word - an abomination ... Crush us yet and not transmit.

      And whom have you already crushed?
      1. tttttt
        tttttt 3 September 2013 08: 53 New
        +4
        Yes, at the local level ... And you?
        1. tttttt
          tttttt 3 September 2013 09: 01 New
          11
          In order not to be unfounded ... In our small Ukrainian town where I live, we brought into the open water the head of the city department of education, who, on a tender with a private entrepreneur, fed margarines to children in kindergartens and schools. They threw off the parasite from the chair, but it still doesn’t sit, and the entrepreneur already has an article.
          1. Fire
            Fire 3 September 2013 09: 50 New
            +5
            let's raise a riot?!?! zadolbali these arrogant officials !!!!!!
            1. d1m1drol
              d1m1drol 3 September 2013 10: 10 New
              -4
              Seek out peaceful solutions.
            2. Russkiy_Prapor
              Russkiy_Prapor 3 September 2013 11: 42 New
              +4
              And who will rebel? It’s better to quietly cut presumptuous officials, because everyone will feel bad from the riot.
            3. alone
              alone 3 September 2013 22: 36 New
              0
              what mmm rebellion on the ship ?? wassat
              1. Arabist
                Arabist 3 September 2013 22: 45 New
                0
                What are they doing with the rioters? We know the answer to this question.
          2. 225chay
            225chay 3 September 2013 10: 07 New
            +5
            Quote: tttttt
            In order not to be unfounded ... In our small Ukrainian town where I live, we brought into the open water the head of the city department of education, who, on a tender with a private entrepreneur, fed margarines to children in kindergartens and schools. They threw off the parasite’s chair,

            Well keep it up! Well done, at least Ukrainians sometimes show how to deal with snickering bastards
          3. Russkiy_Prapor
            Russkiy_Prapor 3 September 2013 11: 40 New
            +3
            It would be better if you put him on a stake so that the rest would think.
  11. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 3 September 2013 08: 25 New
    +6
    Let's see how all this will affect school education. I have two go - the oldest in 4 class went, the youngest in - the first. We will observe what changes, and whether anything changes.
    The law says: do not want to - do not visit ... Yeah! Shchazz! You won’t attend - with a high probability you’ll get bad luck at the USE, since it is not possible to master the required amount of knowledge to get a positive assessment on the USE in the same mathematics (for the allotted 2 hours per week of training according to the standard).

    I’m wondering - where are these standards spelled out, 2 hours a week for math? The law on education is quite large, I looked selectively, but did not find any hints at such standards. Is it possible to cite the corresponding article from the law?
    I myself do not like what is happening. And I would all four welcome the return of the Soviet education system. The Bologna system is best left to lapdogs. But in my opinion, the new law on education was not as bad as it was possible to fear
    1. Hon
      Hon 3 September 2013 08: 29 New
      +6
      Typically, the standards are determined by the PNA of the relevant ministries and departments, it will be necessary to search whether there are such standards.
  12. Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 3 September 2013 08: 45 New
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    I realized the rulers are looking for the boiling point of a Russian person! wassat
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 3 September 2013 09: 00 New
      +7
      Quote: Dazdranagon
      I realized the rulers are looking for the boiling point of a Russian person!


      They will find and will not be happy. As one gentleman from Mikhailovsky said, having mortgaged his serfs at 40 rubles per capita

      God forbid to see Russian revolt, senseless and merciless!
      1. Fire
        Fire 3 September 2013 09: 52 New
        +2
        I repeat again: let's raise a riot !!! tired of enduring !!!
      2. stroporez
        stroporez 3 September 2013 11: 11 New
        +5
        Quote: Vadivak
        God forbid to see Russian revolt, senseless and merciless!
        and he is already nearby ..........
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 3 September 2013 12: 01 New
          +1
          Quote: stroporez
          and he is already nearby ..........

          Wait for complete happiness, you also get a default, and there will be happiness ...
  13. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 3 September 2013 08: 55 New
    +5
    Good friends! You know, there are two areas to which there are many questions in my opinion - the field of education and the field of health. In the power departments, the situation just began to straighten at least somehow, but the social sphere .... And the Soviet education system is the most powerful in the world, which is why it is drowned! A lot, you know, we have good scientists!
    1. Dazdranagon
      Dazdranagon 3 September 2013 09: 08 New
      +8
      Quote: Dwarfik
      In the power departments, it was the situation that began to at least somehow rectify

      - Of course, someone must restrain the people, because they smell in one place that discontent is growing ... am
  14. _Siberian_
    _Siberian_ 3 September 2013 09: 08 New
    +8
    Some sort of "RED" trend, it's time to pick up the forks and not let snot on the forums ...
    am
  15. anip
    anip 3 September 2013 09: 10 New
    +4
    In our country, the Soviet educational experience is for some reason stubbornly presented as something wretched and morally obsolete. Moreover, the vast majority of ideologists of the new reform managed to forget that they themselves studied at Soviet universities. Or they are trying to convey to us the idea that in Soviet times they studied very poorly ...

    It turns out cool:
    If the Soviet education was wretched, then it means that all who received that education are fools. If the education was still good, and all these ideology-reformers-rulers did not study well, then again they are fools.
    Now the question is:
    And who, in fact, was then in power (and they themselves “burned” themselves and did not even notice this)?
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 3 September 2013 09: 22 New
      +9
      Quote: anip
      And who, in fact, is then in power (


      Yes, you yourself answered. They have no one corresponding education position. It is only in them that lovers do not see, because love (or seliger) is evil.

      Do not make yourself an idol or any other image.
    2. PSih2097
      PSih2097 3 September 2013 12: 03 New
      +2
      Quote: anip
      If the Soviet education was wretched, then it means that all who received that education are fools.

      for sure, it was not for nothing that the West was gathering people in packs to work in their companies and to teach at their universities.
  16. Massik
    Massik 3 September 2013 09: 11 New
    0
    It was lucky all the same at least once in my life, at least I learned how to wean, before the introduction of such indistinct laws, they begin to slowly visit the thoughts that it’s necessary to bring down this sinking ship — over the hill into a beautiful life laughing you don’t have to do anything there and I’ll find work there by profession and they will give me housing right away, no one will leave me an orphan on the street laughing lol
    1. Fire
      Fire 3 September 2013 09: 58 New
      +3
      And who will protect his homeland from officials? It’s time to get up and start to fight, and not to scoop over the hill !!
  17. My address
    My address 3 September 2013 09: 13 New
    +8
    An anecdote sounded on the radio:

    Two homeless people talk about education.
    - Hey, man, and what about etava, well, Livanov, the main abrasive, is it a bonfire? And I have a lot of opchev with him!
    - What the hell is it, land?
    - And I can not stand abrasive identity!
  18. Normal
    Normal 3 September 2013 09: 15 New
    20
    How convincing, how beautifully and expectedly correctly Putin says. You are disobedient. Especially when it comes to Syria, opposing Western politicians and upholding the interests of Russia (read the ruling elite and the oligarchy it serves) in the international arena. But all this is WORDS, but real things. Paid medicine, paid education, housing and communal services .... Hidden inflation and unemployment ....
    But away pessimism and despondency! Putin is with us! It means everything is OK! And everything that contradicts the luminous image of the Unalternative is utter nonsense!
    Eh Syria, Syria .... Who invented you? How do we all need you .... Thanks to you and your suffering, we have something to console ourselves with, something to distract from the real meannesses of our power in domestic politics.

    Yesterday came a land tax .... More than two times more than a year ago.
    If only Syria would not fall ... If only the Lord would keep Vladimir Vladimirovich. And we will endure, endure everything ... if only there was no war ....
    1. Asgard
      Asgard 3 September 2013 10: 39 New
      +4
      Gjh; fk? and again neighing (already in Russian)))))))
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    3. alone
      alone 3 September 2013 22: 38 New
      0
      belay 2,5 times? And the land is even big?
      1. Normal
        Normal 4 September 2013 00: 07 New
        +2
        Quote: lonely
        2,5 times? And the land is even big?

        Not 2,5 times, a little less. It was 2, it became 300.
        There is not much land. A plot of 22 acres with a village, still a grandmother's house is divided into 5 heirs, it turns out 4,4 acres
        1. fartfraer
          fartfraer 4 September 2013 06: 28 New
          +4
          taxes on land will still rise more than once. By the way, in the vast expanses of the Russian Federation it is not so easy to get this land. One day I got in line for land for construction. So, in the vast and boundless Western Siberia (not the most populated region, I note) for the year before last, 47 plots were allocated to beneficiaries (just land with "no one"), and in this 14.a I’m in the queue as many as three hundred some number. Well, there is no land in Siberia, even if I’m worn off. no, it’s not a question of money , here the state structures correspondingly work quickly, but in order to be free of charge under the law ...
  19. serge
    serge 3 September 2013 09: 17 New
    +6
    Under Peter the Great, it was forbidden to testify even in court, and Medved and Putin went to the ministers and heads of state corporations. The result is obvious.
    1. VasDA
      VasDA 3 September 2013 09: 44 New
      +2
      "And for those who will cheat, we will hit in the face ... In this impudent, RYZHE muzzle .." (C) from a joke laughing
    2. 225chay
      225chay 3 September 2013 10: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: serge
      Under Peter the Great, it was forbidden to testify even in court, and Medved and Putin went to the ministers and heads of state corporations.

      so the bear itself seemed to be reddish - a photo of it with a live sabchak))
  20. Fire
    Fire 3 September 2013 09: 26 New
    +8
    No words - only emotions !!! They want to completely make the ignoramus out of our children so that only in the mines coal is mined and the streets are shallow with such an education ??? Why "finally? - Because a big step was made in this direction in 2002, when the USE was introduced ... Education in the USSR was the BEST IN THE WORLD !!! how could it be destroyed ?? By introducing paid education, children will grow up LEARNING! And planes , missiles, helicopters will fall much more often ... The point is to pay for studies and spend 5-6 years of time studying at a university, if you can buy a diploma for less money? ... And this is not a matter of indifference, but of a banal lack of money for study ... Make education accessible and there will be many more Nobel laureates among Russians ...
  21. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 3 September 2013 09: 31 New
    13
    Why be surprised, the ugly political regime of Putin produces ugly laws that are identical to itself, it is already clear that in modern Russia only mediocrity like our ministers can break up, having once turned out to be someone's relatives, friends, etc. The most interesting thing is that with our blunt copy of the West, we copy the worst by carefully avoiding the best.
  22. SvetoRus
    SvetoRus 3 September 2013 09: 42 New
    +9
    The feeling that the 17th year can come not only according to the calendar is intensifying ...
    1. 225chay
      225chay 3 September 2013 10: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: SvetoRus
      The feeling that the 17th year can come not only on the calendar is intensifying

      it’s like that, only the consequences for the common people at the beginning were not quite good: razachachivanie, food surplus appraisals, food taxes, genocide of the people, famines, interventions, etc.
      led by any riots are mostly villains.
  23. Max otto
    Max otto 3 September 2013 09: 52 New
    17
    Comrades, with education, in general, of course, there are problems, but this is nonsense. The trouble is that people are changing for the worse. If earlier the director hired a specialist, then he listened to him and common sense was put into practice, but now the director, firstly, considers himself the most intelligent and competent in all areas of knowledge (which is certainly not the case), and secondly, he recruits the performer, his ideas are naturally zero, he embodies the ideas of the director. From here we have the shoals that we discuss here later - Protons fall, no one can really form the TTZs of the military, something exploded, something collapsed, and much more. And why? But because there is NO IDEOLOGY. No, for what society (not an individual person) should live, what happened before? World peace, friendship of peoples and down with imperialism, but first of all, work for the good of the Motherland, at the forefront is the Motherland and its good! People worked understanding why, and money faded into the background, and smart and initiative people had Outlook career growth so-called the social elevator worked without downtime. And if clever ideas were clogged, then the head and the article could get for wrecking. Now what? We sit and do not speak, because if the director understands that you are smarter than him - he is under you ... and into the street, why the hell did you surrender to him. A career is built through relatives and the bed. It turns out that each other is wolves, there is a clan family split. Therefore, on the street, people became callous to each other. Sorry for the verbosity, the bottom line: Without a common ideology, no one will have any prosperity, there should be an idea uniting the SOCIETY, An idea will appear, and education and science and industry will appear. Without an idea, we’ll sit in the kitchens.
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 3 September 2013 10: 07 New
      +3
      Quote: Max Otto
      Sorry for the verbosity

      There is nothing to apologize for such verbosity. Everything is correct and the case is said.
    2. valerei
      valerei 3 September 2013 11: 46 New
      +1
      Max Otto, give me an idea! The absence of a life goal for the majority of the population of Russia has long been discussed. And then we wait that the "idea" will be formulated in the Kremlin and its essence will be similar to the Law on Education or some other "creation" of the State Duma. And, most importantly: No one will read our ideas, except for ourselves. So far, in Russia, with Yeltsin’s easy hand, only one idea has been realized: the total plunder of Russia — that’s why there is not enough money for education. However, this is commonplace.
      1. Max otto
        Max otto 3 September 2013 12: 23 New
        +2
        Ohhhh! My idea was weak, I would become the president of all Belarus, this is for starters.
        Well, what is there to think up, there’s nothing left of the USSR, now the trend “back to the USSR” is very fashionable, everything can be arranged on this wave, although it’s still within the borders of Russia, but it’s possible, you don’t even need to change the anthem. Only political will is needed.
    3. tttttt
      tttttt 3 September 2013 14: 23 New
      +1
      I can not stand the word ideology - it is not ours.
      The worldview is how it was customary for our ancestors to perceive the surrounding world with its always very complex processes of world order.
      And the sense that the authorities will be smart? If they are cannibals, they will never act humanly in life, their cannibalistic essence will not give them. And they will pull to the top such scoundrels as themselves.
      First of all, high-moral people should be promoted to power, and they will naturally form their environment from people who are similar in spirit. And there is no doubt that if a moral person does not know something, he will try to eliminate this shortcoming as soon as possible, and he will not be lazy at the post entrusted to him; he knows what responsibility and conscience are.
      1. Max otto
        Max otto 3 September 2013 14: 53 New
        +1
        Worldview is a philosophical term, and philosophy has a very distant relation to real life. Ideology is the most correct word, it is the right term, it is just vulgarized by the latest Soviet and post-Soviet leaders. In all other respects, you are right.
    4. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 3 September 2013 17: 44 New
      +2
      Quote: Max Otto
      But because there is NO IDEOLOGY.

      Quote: valerei
      Max Otto, give me an idea!

      People - do not drive the blizzard, and where does the ideology? It is always with any social group, every person.

      At the state level, it is spelled out in the body of the Constitution (chapters 1 and 2), it’s another matter that the guys in power wanted to put ideology and the Constitution.
  24. Horla
    Horla 3 September 2013 10: 00 New
    +8
    Looking at the current leadership of the country, two thoughts come to my head: 1 That they are all pupils of the same madhouse. 2 That they all get paid in Washington.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 3 September 2013 10: 10 New
      +6
      Quote: Horla
      1 That they are all pupils of the same madhouse. 2 That they all get paid in Washington.

      Let me add another thought: All of them were two-year-olds and now take revenge on teachers! laughing
      By the way, the official’s response about payment in kindergartens is very characteristic - “payment for“ look after ”, that is, upbringing. There is payment for NUTRITION in kindergartens. If the charter of the kindergarten has“ additional paid services ”- such as a foreign language, a puppet theater, etc. - then a SEPARATE RECEIPT is written out for these services to those who use them (here, the extra money of the head of the kindergarten for "organizing" also fits in, well, it falls into the hands of teachers, because additional classes go to subgroups, while one group is engaged, with the second you need to sit as an educator y) Conclusion - either the official does not know what the payment is for (complete inconsistency of the position), or the authorities are cunning, transferring the promised increase in salaries to the teachers on the shoulders of the parents, and also the payment of utility bills - electricity, water ...
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 3 September 2013 17: 47 New
        +5
        Quote: Egoza
        By the way, the official’s response about payment is very characteristic
      2. Ka-52
        Ka-52 4 September 2013 11: 24 New
        0
        Rather second request
    2. Toporkoff
      Toporkoff 3 September 2013 10: 29 New
      +5
      Looking at the current leadership of the country, two thoughts come to my head: 1 That they are all pupils of the same madhouse. 2 That they all get paid in Washington.

      After the reform, they will be smarter than everyone in the country)) so most likely the second)
  25. Egoza
    Egoza 3 September 2013 10: 00 New
    18
    Hello everyone!
    As an educator, I am always very interested in such articles. But I will not state my emotions. just put excerpts from last year's article ...

    "According to The Sunday Times, British Minister of Education Michael Gove proposed creating schools in the country with in-depth study of mathematics modeled on Soviet special schools of the early 1960's. According to the politician, the system of Soviet education of this period can help significantly increase the level of knowledge of mathematics in modern state educational institutions in England.
    “The schools that appeared in the USSR in the era of the arms race — in the 1960 of the last century — are taken as the basis for the education of the mathematical and scientific elite, which was supposed to stimulate the development of the country,” the Sunday Times quoted the minister as saying.
    While in Russia there was a decline in the system of physical and mathematical education, in Israel in 1992 on the initiative of the MAPAT Pedagogical Center and with the support of many public figures, the first Shevakh-Mofet physics and mathematics school was opened. It became a direct analogue of Soviet physics and mathematics schools, and were taught in it by immigrants from the former USSR. Over time, this educational institution was recognized around the world and won the glory of the "factory of geniuses". She was visited by Nobel laureate in economics Daniel Kahneman, Google founders Sergey Brin and Larry Page and other figures who were attracted by the success of the school.
    Over the past 20 years, Americans and the British have come to the conclusion that their educational system is outdated and corresponds to the industrial structure of society, while it is time to move on to the educational system that corresponds to the post-industrial period. And it turned out that Soviet education standards correspond to just such approaches. The general concept is as follows: in the West they are taught to solve specific problems, in Russia, by the example of solving specific problems, they are taught to solve any problems.
    http://rusplt.ru/articles/social/social_1713.html
    XXXX
    Everyone here loves to nod to the west! But they do not see this point blank!
    1. VasDA
      VasDA 3 September 2013 13: 12 New
      +7
      hi That's it! I was taught to think, analyze, search for MULTIPLE solutions to the problem.
      And now? Dumb memorization! negative
      Soon we will slide to anecdotal level of knowledge:
      -And aren't currents measured in amperes?
      Answer options: 1. Yes 2. There are 3. So for sure!
  26. mak210
    mak210 3 September 2013 10: 08 New
    +9
    Quote: Hon
    Not so in education, except for the fact that teachers began to pay, now the situation is worse than in the 90s.


    I work in a Moscow university, state, this year will be 60 years since its foundation. The salary of an associate professor with a degree of 20 thousand rubles. clean. Has it been promoted? Do not believe the storytellers, a slight increase in inflation occurred against the background of an increase in the hourly load. Impudent lie. Only the availability of most pensions saves.

    And constantly it is necessary to throw off something: cleaning, minor repairs, equipment, reagents. A monstrous amount of pieces of paper: our department with 9 teachers submits a report on 150 sheets, manuals, standards ... Teachers gradually quit, who found a place, who just retired. There are people under the age of 80, barely walking, deaf and blind. Darkness. The average age is under 70, most are not engaged in any training, they simply defend the number.

    So the lapdog, that shepherd, will no longer be of any use until the youth comes. And will she come with such salaries? A simple engineer in a DEZ receives 50 thousand rubles. and works near the house.
    1. d1m1drol
      d1m1drol 3 September 2013 10: 43 New
      +2
      It’s not bad at your dese .. you won’t tell me the addresses, otherwise we are an engineer from the outback salary of 25t.r. We consider something God-given and worship it)
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 3 September 2013 10: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: mak210
      A monstrous amount of pieces of paper: our department with 9 teachers submits a report on 150 sheets, manuals, standards ...


      "More paper, cleaner ass" (c)? A familiar thing. It seems that this is a common misfortune of all branches of the state. A regular company spends one pack of standard sheets per month. Plus a bunch of "Books" and "Magazines" that are being filled at this time. (The company’s documentation during the audit takes up two tables, starting with the “staff” and ending with the “Book of accounting for the issuance of soap and bath washing”)
  27. Duelist
    Duelist 3 September 2013 10: 32 New
    +5
    The union was destroyed for the sake of amers and built a "democratic" authoritarian system, where all types of power (judicial, legislative, executive and the press) are in one hairy hands, and what was the show arranged by Churov! (148%). NO! scum of society, bloodsuckers and their puppets!
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  29. Lopatov
    Lopatov 3 September 2013 10: 50 New
    +9
    Let's talk in the language of facts.
    1. The education system does not fulfill its functions. It is a fact.
    2. The education system needs to be reformed, also a fact.
    3. There are many successful experiments in the education system at a local level, so to speak, a fact.
    4. The Ministry of Education (Ministry of Education and Science) for decades did not engage in reform, but engaged in it imitation. Relying not on successful experiments, but on an outdated and ineffective “international experience”. Why? Because it is much simpler, requires less work, but at the same time allows you to issue victorious reports on successful reform.
    5. This Law is just another action in a chain of imitations.

    The question arises: the authorities of the Russian Federation do not realize that a whole ministry with a huge bureaucratic apparatus is engaged in imitation instead of real activity? It lasts a long time, it was under Yeltsin, under Putin, under Medvedev, and again under Putin. If they realize this (and they’re definitely not stupid), then why does it suit them.

    Why, damn it, I had to start training calculators with re-learning the multiplication table?
    1. Normal
      Normal 3 September 2013 11: 35 New
      +6
      Quote: Spade
      Let's talk in the language of facts.
      1. System ...... does not perform its functions. It is a fact.
      2. The system ...... needs to be reformed - also a fact.
      3. There are many successful experiments in the system ....... at the local ...... level - a fact.
      4. The Ministry of Education ....... engaged in ... imitation. Relying on ......... on the outdated and ineffective "international experience."
      5. This Law is just another action in a chain of imitations.

      The question arises: .............. why this suits them.


      Well? So why? Questions are formulated. ANSWER IS OBVIOUS; BECAUSE ALL THIS IS NOT AN IMITATION! THIS IS A LONG-TERM, SEQUENTIAL, THINKED POLICY.
      Question; in whose interests is this policy pursued?
      1. Fire
        Fire 3 September 2013 12: 49 New
        +1
        Well? So why? Questions are formulated. ANSWER IS OBVIOUS; BECAUSE ALL THIS IS NOT AN IMITATION! THIS IS A LONG-TERM, SEQUENTIAL, THINKED POLICY.
        Question; in whose interests is this policy pursued?

        And here the answer is obvious .... Managing stupid and sick people is much easier than smart and healthy .... one of the concepts of Western gigimony.
    2. Fire
      Fire 3 September 2013 12: 46 New
      +2
      4. The Ministry of Education (Ministry of Education and Science) for decades did not engage in reform, but engaged in its imitation.

      Amendment: the Ministry of Education and Science does not imitate education reforms, but degrades education consciously!
      1. Ka-52
        Ka-52 4 September 2013 11: 31 New
        0
        ANSWER IS OBVIOUS; BECAUSE ALL THIS IS NOT AN IMITATION! THIS IS A LONG-TERM, SEQUENTIAL, THINKED POLICY.


        I support! Just do not understand, why?
  30. tirazu
    tirazu 3 September 2013 10: 51 New
    +8
    After Libya, when the American "partners and friends" directly told Putin in a childish manner that he was next, they suddenly remembered the remnants of the army reformed by Serdyukov. It turns out that despite such a number of bosom friends around Russia, the army is still needed. Only effective managers are obvious it is not understood that education is directly related to R&D and illiterate natives are capable of riveting unless the Kalashnikov assault rifles. Or, like Chubais’s dream, stone axes.
  31. IllI4
    IllI4 3 September 2013 11: 03 New
    +9
    And so begins the division of society into rich and educated, and into poor ignoramuses. Over the horizon appeared a serfdom. Come on the "true" road, comrades (s) ...
    1. Duelist
      Duelist 3 September 2013 11: 12 New
      +7
      The comrades were communists, these gentlemen. Party of gentlemen! And the story goes in a spiral, further drawing the correlation - SLAVERY.
    2. Garrin
      Garrin 3 September 2013 11: 25 New
      +2
      Quote: IllI4
      And so begins the division of society into rich and educated, and into poor ignoramuses. Over the horizon appeared a serfdom.

      Perhaps I agree, but amended. This separation occurred already in the "dashing nineties." Now the gap is widening.
  32. TROG
    TROG 3 September 2013 11: 07 New
    +6
    About kindergartens.
    A friend of mine works in a kindergarten. This is her second kindergarten.
    And he talks a lot.
    About food, what they feed the children, it’s better not to tell, after her words, I would have eaten it.
    But most importantly, in kindergartens, more and more educators are lumps, oh, I’m sorry, the Russians have recently received a passport. For example, instead of “dog”, the teacher in her kindergarten says “dogs.” Well, of course, everything else is like that.
    Well, no one works at the same rate, it is only enough to pay for utilities, usually one and a half or two and the salary went up to a maximum of 13, well, 15 thousand rubles (a year ago). This is for the teachers and nannies. Now I don’t know, I will have to ask how much they get educator.
  33. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 3 September 2013 11: 21 New
    +5
    Quote: Max Otto
    Livanov has nothing to do with it, such issues are resolved collectively, the prime minister sets the direction, and everything is approved at the level of the prime minister’s government. D. Medvedev is the main reformer. By virtue of his defective worldview, he poorly understands what he is doing. He does not have a strategic vision on any issues, maybe he is a good performer, he knows him, but he is not a strategist.

    Ladies and Gentlemen! Comrades! We are controlled by enemies, whom we don’t look at in the Duma or the government, one enemy is the seed!
  34. Novoyur
    Novoyur 3 September 2013 11: 28 New
    +6
    They ruined the country, now the youth of the country is ruining the future. Zadornov correctly said, the more illiterate the people, the stronger democracy. Dumb people are easier to manage, easier to fear and direct.
  35. Cormorants
    Cormorants 3 September 2013 11: 36 New
    +2
    How tired of these liberals came to education.
  36. nod739
    nod739 3 September 2013 11: 51 New
    +6
    the spouse works in the preschool education system, not the educator - the methodologist, with all my heart for her work, when there was a bunch of ideas - to improve what is (education-university), but in the end her system bent soooo, reports, reports, reports, reports, disassemblies, responsibility. .. there is practically no creative work, ideas are not needed. and not to realize, the bosses of the authorities are sitting on top, you spit against the wind - you fly out onto the street., parents raised money and repaired the porch. and paper came on top - like the money was allocated for repairs, and several hundred thousand were written off to someone's pocket
    For work with all allowances, add. part-time, etc. etc. 25-30 thousand. sometimes some kind of gray bonuses (parents themselves collect) - a penny, while her soul hurts for kindergarten, sometimes she sits at work until 9, until 11, and even in the morning comes (don’t ridicule, I'm serious ......) sometimes at home works, sometimes on Saturday and / or Sunday .....
    now is the beginning of the year, before 8 pm it doesn’t come home, and the garden is in the yard, ..... and sometimes it sits down, looks at it through the window .. why the hell am I killing my life ?, at what time I have to rest . to be with family, with children ??? and if everything is done according to the mind as thoroughly as it should be - and 25 hours a day is not enough ... and I won’t say that it’s a hoof, it’s just so much hung. that you have to rub glasses for just that kind of analysis, from the bold and from experience, .... and there are so many bosses and everyone pulls relatives of acquaintances - you’ll get fucked from the street, and each practicing s / n comes up with some kind of crap, and the bottoms already torn off !!!! the state breeds leadership, at the time to recall the laws of Peterson ....
    the state doesn’t care much about the lower classes, they save on the cost of their labor. Enthusiasts are few, there are a lot of temporary staff (it is necessary that the child is in kindergarten. So they go to work as nannies, art or music teachers or cooks ... etc. , and naturally without a soul. but only if only)
    But the kindergarten age is archaic .. archival (in the words of the leader of the revolution), in the key of laying the foundation for personality, and this is the future generation
  37. FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 3 September 2013 11: 54 New
    -2
    If the son does not go to kindergarten, then the army ... wait.

    And as for quality, if it’s quite frankly: then education is not particularly necessary for most people, but for some it is harmful. Those who are able to learn will forever be able to grow wiser, and the sheep to learn - money down the drain.
    1. VasDA
      VasDA 3 September 2013 13: 20 New
      +2
      And therefore, the Soviet government at one time so many forces and means ditched at LIKBEZ?
      Probably all the same it is necessary to give the first impetus to a person - to learn to learn. DO NOT memorize, but LEARN. Without competent and educated people, the state is unlikely to have a future. Just without education, the country will turn into a herd of sheep, which will be very easy to manage.
      1. FunkschNNX
        FunkschNNX 3 September 2013 14: 54 New
        0
        They will teach to read / write for free, no one refuses this.
        1. Ka-52
          Ka-52 4 September 2013 11: 39 New
          +1
          Many just do not want to learn! Absolutely! I don `t want. And parents waved a hand. They make money. And someone earns on this, because the parents waved a hand, that the children do not want to learn! am
  38. Renat
    Renat 3 September 2013 11: 54 New
    +1
    We are further and further from the Soviet (in my opinion at the moment ideal) education system. What kind of demography are they shouting from the screens if we are already heading towards paid secondary education at such a pace. The constitution guarantees and bureaucrats strangle.
    Another point: Someone up there read, studied 600 individual and more than 000 collective offers. Who can believe in this nonsense? They work according to the principle: we consulted here and I decided.
    We nearly lost an entire generation of young people in the 90s. What will happen next? In 10-15 years, young people will be stereotyped to think as they please the world government. This is the notorious exam. Won't she be alright. Everyone is crying from her. Parents, children, teachers, but to our lawmakers, to the servants of the people, everything is parallel.
  39. pensioner
    pensioner 3 September 2013 11: 59 New
    +6
    Thanks Alexey!
    I have the impression that our government sees every extra ruble in the pocket of the population as its own flaw. I have no words. Reformers pancake ...
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 3 September 2013 21: 07 New
      +3
      Quote: retired
      I have the impression that our government sees every extra ruble in the pocket of the population as its own flaw.

      Unfortunately, this is not an impression, but an objective reality. sad
  40. 1536
    1536 3 September 2013 12: 04 New
    -4
    The discussion about our education reminds me of a story about a man whom everyone seems to know, but no one has ever seen. Everyone has nostalgia for education in tsarist Russia. Yes, Lenin in the gymnasium was an excellent pupil, only according to the law of God received "4-ku", and then destroyed the Orthodox country. They are nostalgic for education in Soviet times, setting as an example universities in the capitals. I wonder what subjects Uncle Gorbi had "4" in. And now in a century when information, and if it is used correctly, then knowledge, is straight out of glasses, we are all discussing with you which way education should go: along Bologna- “mudilonsky” or some other way (please excuse me for sharpness). I would also add that the scientific and technological achievements and copyright certificates in Soviet industry were indeed a sea, only most of them also fell into the above formula: “everyone knew about them, but no one saw them”, and people thought they were lucky to buy themselves in the commission imported grundik with Panasonic and sighed, climbing into domestic Lada.
    1. Bob
      Bob 4 September 2013 16: 18 New
      0
      Quote: 1536
      there was really a lot of copyright certificates in Soviet industry, only most of them also fell into the above formula: "everyone knew about them, but nobody saw them," and for their happiness they considered buying an imported grundik with a Panasonic in the commission room and sighing, climbing into domestic Lada.

      I want to correct you - the Soviet man WELL knew the achievements of Soviet science and technology, because almost every man served in the Armed Forces and, in fact, saw and owned first-class Soviet weapons. The country, which won the 2nd World War, could not afford to destroy anyone, and therefore pulled huge military expenses, to the detriment of civilian industries and Lada, including. However, I want to remind you that the most complex machine ever created by man is the nuclear submarine (nuclear submarine), and it was in the construction of nuclear submarines that the Soviet state achieved the best results - in terms of immersion, speed, noiselessness, etc.
      So do not talk about Lada - Italian trash.
  41. falcon
    falcon 3 September 2013 12: 13 New
    +2
    Education reform, as a matter relating to the future of the country, should be made on
    referendum. But the result of such a referendum is obvious in advance (well, the people do not understand their
    “happiness”!) The conclusion is simple: we and the government see the future of our country differently.
  42. Black
    Black 3 September 2013 12: 30 New
    +2
    Quote: Фкенщь13
    Those who are able to learn will forever be able to grow wiser, and the sheep to learn - money down the drain.

    About how!
    And it’s useless to treat some ... and others to strangle in diapers, otherwise it’s a mess!
    But who will decide it will be- to the right, and to the left- who will you take?

    As for the article itself ... my wife works at school, and I’m kind of in the know.
    The curriculum has not changed. Fee for lessons IZO-delirium. All paid services are all outside the program, with the consent of the parents. The exam, in all likelihood, will undergo changes, the process is lively.
    The "director's corps" will certainly strain the need to "earn." City schools get out of rent. Rural will be harder.
    The most painful thing is the renaming in the ORGANIZATION. There will be trouble! Energy debts, water, services - will fall on the skinny shoulders of the school and after 4-5 years (when the directors begin to quit en masse) we will return to the institutions. (Well, we love the movement of a certain substance in the hole).
    1. FunkschNNX
      FunkschNNX 3 September 2013 14: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: Chen
      But who will decide it will be- to the right, and to the left- who will you take?

      Sami eliminated. And where it does not repent, there you can enter exams / tests. It was so in everyone’s beloved (including me) Soviet system, I was a fool at school - forget about the institute.
  43. olegff68
    olegff68 3 September 2013 12: 35 New
    +3
    Oh, how these "economists" were sick of education (medicine, defense ...) - to collect all of them and take them to economists to determine the feasibility of possessing paired organs and limbs while developing methods of "optimization" of the body as a whole.
  44. builder
    builder 3 September 2013 12: 38 New
    0
    did you read the law? ONE EMOTIONS STUPID
  45. aszzz888
    aszzz888 3 September 2013 12: 43 New
    +1
    Yes, the "poor fellow" apparently hiccups! But such impenetrable ones as he and some of a different color (see redhead) piled on everything. With such a "roof".
  46. nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 3 September 2013 12: 52 New
    +1
    the sixes work out pieces of silver, the collapse of secondary education, after the full implementation of the Bologna system of higher education and the production of an unlimited number of semi-educated economists, lawyers and managers, the planned destruction of the Academy of Sciences.
  47. washi
    washi 3 September 2013 13: 16 New
    +2
    Soviet education and the elimination of coupons under Stalin were the best in the world.
    Universal 7 best education. Average (at the beginning) for a fee. Higher (specialization) paid or at the expense of guides, if directed from the enterprise, collective farm.
    With high rates of mental development, various students (industrial institutes) were selected for students (or just workers). Paying the company for brain reserves with additional orders, training bonuses, etc.
  48. rpek32
    rpek32 3 September 2013 13: 37 New
    +2
    There are no kinders yet, but by the time they appear I feel the arctic fox will come to the education system.
    And what to do, dear?
    1. Renat
      Renat 3 September 2013 19: 14 New
      0
      To touch to raise and educate as you see fit, dear.
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 3 September 2013 22: 50 New
      0
      Quote: rpek32
      And what to do, dear?

      Stock up on Soviet textbooks in advance, while there is such an opportunity. And also, if possible, books about the heroes of the Second World War!
  49. pensioner
    pensioner 3 September 2013 14: 20 New
    +2
    Quote: 1536
    people for happiness considered buying an imported grundik with a Panasonic in a commission room and sighed, climbing into domestic Lada.

    In fact, people considered happiness as an opportunity to do what they liked. Grundiki and Panasonic were perceived as nothing more than a pleasant addition to PRESENT life. Lada 70s were quite a modern device. And excessive enthusiasm for Panasonic and the grundiks in society was not approved. This phenomenon was even invented by the term-thingism. And the first wave of business (late 80s-mid 90s) was precisely these people who made up. Has it gotten better?
  50. Tartary
    Tartary 3 September 2013 14: 32 New
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    There is, or rather, there was a Soviet educational school and it was not hell to touch changing it ...

    The venturers of this redistribution must be equated with the "Tagged", the essence is the same ...