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The first Russian Mistral will be served in Vladivostok

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The first Russian Mistral will be served in VladivostokThe Dalzavod enterprise in Vladivostok will be servicing the first Russian amphibious assault ship-docking ship “Vladivostok” of the “Mistral” type. About this on the TV channel "Russia 24" said Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin. “The first ship is called Vladivostok, and therefore it will be serviced in Vladivostok and will be,” said the Deputy Prime Minister.


Rogozin also said that in October 2013 of the year a meeting of the military-industrial commission will be held, at which the issues of helicopter carrier armament will be discussed. The deputy prime minister did not disclose details about the upcoming meeting, but noted that all the systems with which it is planned to additionally equip Vladivostok are incorporated into the Russian state armaments program, "and there should be no problems here."

Russia should get two Mistral-type helicopter carriers. An agreement on the construction of ships was signed with France in 2011. The deal amounted to 1,2 billion euros. The first ship ─ Vladivostok ─ should be part of the Russian fleet in 2014, and the second ─ Sevastopol ─ in 2015. The contract with France contains an option to build two more helicopter carriers in Russia, but a concrete decision on the need for their construction has not yet been made.
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  1. experienced
    experienced 2 September 2013 15: 08 New
    +7
    on which the issues of helicopter carrier armament will be discussed

    I wonder what they will "stuff" him with ... winked Considering that our people have always tried to "shove in the unproductive" and very often they succeeded, but here KMK is "a sea of ​​room for imagination."
    True, it is not clear how the French MSA with our weapons will be "crossed" request
    1. JIaIIoTb
      JIaIIoTb 2 September 2013 15: 14 New
      14
      Quote: seasoned
      how the French MSA with our weapons will be "crossed"


      As usual through such a mother winked
      And probably we will succeed.
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 2 September 2013 17: 31 New
        +6
        Quote: JIaIIoTb
        As usual through such a mother

        I apologize, but still - sledgehammers and such and such a mother :)
        1. JIaIIoTb
          JIaIIoTb 2 September 2013 17: 54 New
          +1
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          I apologize, but still - sledgehammers and such and such a mother :)


          I wrote the name of the sledgehammer wink
    2. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk 2 September 2013 15: 16 New
      +4
      Quote: seasoned
      I wonder what they are "stuffing" with.


      And what actually stuffed this barge? They adapt helicopter lifts to our cars, and the landing deck for our armored vehicles, and a couple of three short-range air defense systems are put on the deck. Nothing more is needed to be put on such a trough; serious armament on escort ships should be standing.
      1. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 2 September 2013 15: 34 New
        +1
        Perhaps the French engineers and shipbuilders are very grateful to us, we provided them with work, and how much more we will pay for spare parts! And we’ll feed our own, they will bore the French tub under our armament. fool
      2. experienced
        experienced 2 September 2013 15: 41 New
        +5
        Quote: Sakhalininets
        and a pair of three near-range air defense systems will be thrust onto the deck. Nothing more is needed to be put on such a trough; serious armament on escort ships should be standing.

        Found on "Vzglyad":
        The ships will install the latest Russian weapons systems for strike and defensive purposes, including supersonic cruise missiles.

        So, the matter will not be limited to air defense alone, look how much they manage to "shove" into the boats, and then it seems to me that "engineering thought" will unfold to its fullest ...
        1. Sakhalininsk
          Sakhalininsk 2 September 2013 16: 30 New
          13
          Quote: seasoned
          So, the matter will not be limited to air defense alone, look how much they manage to "shove" into the boats, and then it seems to me that "engineering thought" will unfold to its fullest ...


          Oh, what utter nonsense, to put serious missile weapons on this ship, to devour space for landing and helicopters. So this is nothing more than a free interpretation of rural rumors about diarrhea among milkmaids laughing
          1. bulvas
            bulvas 2 September 2013 18: 50 New
            +1
            Quote: Sakhalininets
            Oh, what utter nonsense to put serious missile weapons on this ship


            and what, are there other ships?
            1. donavi49
              donavi49 2 September 2013 18: 55 New
              +8
              And then, for example, 7 frigates under construction, 6 missile ships from UKKS, corvettes, etc.
        2. Armata
          Armata 2 September 2013 16: 54 New
          +6
          Quote: seasoned
          So, the matter will not be limited to air defense alone, look how much they manage to "shove" into the boats, and then it seems to me that "engineering thought" will unfold to its fullest ...
          Gyyyyyy. 50 times fellow and 50 times more fool Let them enjoy the acquisition.
          Found where to spend the loot.
          1. igor67
            igor67 2 September 2013 16: 58 New
            +3
            Quote: Mechanic
            Quote: seasoned
            So, the matter will not be limited to air defense alone, look how much they manage to "shove" into the boats, and then it seems to me that "engineering thought" will unfold to its fullest ...
            Gyyyyyy. 50 times fellow and 50 times more fool Let them enjoy the acquisition.
            Found where to spend the loot.

            Zhen, what about the connection sad
            1. experienced
              experienced 2 September 2013 17: 00 New
              +4
              Quote: igor67
              what's with the connection

              Syrians are jamming laughing
              1. igor67
                igor67 2 September 2013 17: 07 New
                +3
                Quote: seasoned
                Quote: igor67
                what's with the connection

                Syrians are jamming laughing

                Eugene also said laughing you have conspired belay
                1. Tersky
                  Tersky 2 September 2013 17: 50 New
                  +4
                  Quote: seasoned
                  Syrians are jamming

                  Quote: igor67
                  Eugene also said you had an agreement

                  Igor, Zhenya hi ! They both made a mistake, or rather, ours for the Syrians yes
                  1. igor67
                    igor67 2 September 2013 18: 34 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Tersky
                    Quote: seasoned
                    Syrians are jamming

                    Quote: igor67
                    Eugene also said you had an agreement

                    Igor, Zhenya hi ! They both made a mistake, or rather, ours for the Syrians yes

                    Vitya is so, but how to communicate if they are jamming,
          2. experienced
            experienced 2 September 2013 16: 58 New
            +2
            Quote: Mechanic
            Gyyyyyy. 50 times and another 50 times Let them enjoy the acquisition. Found where to spend the loot.

            Hi Zhen hi Yes, the loot has already been spent ... So here it is already too late to "drink Borjomi", it remains stupid to "shove" something into it and adapt it to something. At the Black Sea Fleet it will be understandable as a "cruise ship" for the generals to be used, but at the Pacific Fleet ... recourse Only yapov "troll" remains
          3. don.kryyuger
            don.kryyuger 2 September 2013 21: 33 New
            0
            So there Mitya Mendel has a friend, he has a controlling stake in Marseille Shipyards. there was a crisis in Europe, there were no orders, the shipyards were idle, and then Mitya hurried in advance, and on you !!! An order for 2011 billion euros ?! Everyone is happy. Stocks went up, money to money. But in general, a country that makes nuclear submarines is not really in a position to make a self-propelled barge. There is something to think about, eh?
    3. Manager
      Manager 2 September 2013 16: 21 New
      -2
      Quote: seasoned
      True, it is not clear how the French MSA with our weapons will be "crossed"


      It is even more unclear how French iron will behave in such harsh conditions ...
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 2 September 2013 16: 33 New
        +7
        Well, you can break everything. In general, these ships are not more difficult to serve than civilian ones. Moreover, it is optimized specifically for trips with short complex repairs. Estimated period of stay at sea 230 days in a year. There is no particular high-tech, and part of it is generally familiar to our technicians. For example, the main engines are diesel engines from Värtsilä, 2 / 3 commerce and 1 / 3 auxiliary fleet go to them.

        However, again, if you make up the harsh Siberian peasants throwing weak scrap at a Japanese sawmill, then the ship will not live long.
      2. gispanec
        gispanec 2 September 2013 20: 12 New
        +3
        Quote: Manager
        It is even more unclear how French iron will behave in such harsh conditions.

        Do you think that the French timber industry differs for the worse from the Russian timber industry ?? (foundry-industrial complex) .... it's not about the mistral, although if you bought it so don’t fuck it already, but I declare to you responsibly .... that our tricks on Severstal..Metchele ... Magnitogorsk ... Ashe ... LipetskMK ... just as they don’t go in comparison with the bourgeois (Spain ... Denmark ... itd) they have HARSE TIME !! For more than 10 years I’ve been spinning in entom business .... believe me
    4. Strashila
      Strashila 2 September 2013 16: 53 New
      0
      But no matter how ... they put the domestic one, but they will drive to import on excursions ... do not touch it under the film with the inscription. Anyway, this is old stuff ... the last century from Chinese components.
    5. Tersky
      Tersky 2 September 2013 16: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: seasoned
      I wonder what they will "stuff" him with

      Lesha, this is what I dug about the alleged "minced meat", how would they try to cram it all ... http: //newsland.com/news/detail/id/921355/
    6. APASUS
      APASUS 2 September 2013 19: 10 New
      0
      Quote: seasoned
      I wonder what they will "stuff" him with

      There was an infa that they use some tricky oil for Mistral. Will they supply it to us or will they discover the secret of production?
    7. Sirs
      Sirs 3 September 2013 08: 56 New
      0
      Quote: seasoned
      True, it is not clear how the French MSA with our weapons will be "crossed"

      And here is where the whole idea of ​​buying this swimming device opens.
  2. svp67
    svp67 2 September 2013 15: 12 New
    0
    The first Russian landing helicopter carrier-dock “Vladivostok” of the Mistral type will be serviced by the Dalzavod enterprise in Vladivostok.
    It looks like this is already a tradition, almost all of our aircraft-carrying ships at the "wall" of the Dalzavod were noted ... It's certainly necessary. If only not for a long time, they got stuck there, but spent more time in the sea and on campaigns
  3. Rash
    Rash 2 September 2013 15: 14 New
    +6
    It was necessary to name the first mistral "Sevastopol" instead of the second. Then it would be served in Sevastopol, nevertheless closer to the Mediterranean Sea.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 2 September 2013 15: 24 New
      +5
      According to the specifics of application, he has the very place in the Black Sea Fleet.
      1. Dazdranagon
        Dazdranagon 2 September 2013 15: 45 New
        +1
        The Far East also needs! Let him fly around and inspect the Kuril Islands! How not to annoy the Japanese! laughing
      2. S-200
        S-200 2 September 2013 15: 46 New
        +1
        according to the specifics of its application, it ranks first - against Japanese samurai in the Pacific Fleet, which will bury themselves on our islands, and only then each sister (fleet) by earring (by ship) ...
      3. gunnerminer
        gunnerminer 2 September 2013 17: 04 New
        0
        According to the specifics of application, he has the very place in the Black Sea Fleet.


        The appearance of Mistral on the KChF will cause a collapse of the rear services.
        1. Garrin
          Garrin 2 September 2013 17: 12 New
          0
          Quote: gunnerminer
          The appearance of Mistral on the KChF will cause a collapse of the rear services.

          Why's that? BDK do not call, and Mistral will call. Justify please.
          1. gunnerminer
            gunnerminer 2 September 2013 22: 50 New
            +4
            The crew of Mistral is twice as large. For officers and contractors of foremen and sailors of Mistral there is not even official housing with the appropriate infrastructure. For the base of Mistral there is no infrastructure, there is no way to provide a ship from the shore with electricity, high pressure air, steam. There is no official housing for pilots and connection technicians. helicopters planned to be based on Mistral. There is no supply vessel for Mistral when basing at a maneuverable base or when performing combat service tasks.
  4. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 2 September 2013 15: 20 New
    0
    It seems like K-52 was planned and Ka-226 anti-submarine
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 2 September 2013 16: 07 New
      +1
      Ka-52K Katran (they should raise a prototype this year), Ka-27М (several prototypes are already flying and a contract is being prepared with Kumertau for 60 cars of new construction) and Ka-29М (still only in projects).
  5. Old warrant officer
    Old warrant officer 2 September 2013 15: 20 New
    +2
    Unfortunately, the Dalzavod as a powerful enterprise almost no longer exists.
    1. Coward
      Coward 2 September 2013 15: 34 New
      0
      That's right. The only thing that’s powerful there is the standard hour.
  6. AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 2 September 2013 15: 22 New
    +3
    If we follow the logic of Mr.-Comrade D. Rogozin, will the second ship-dock "Sevastopol" be serviced in Sevastopol? laughing
    1. experienced
      experienced 2 September 2013 15: 24 New
      +2
      Quote: AlexVas44
      If we follow the logic of Mr.-Comrade D. Rogozin, will the second ship-dock "Sevastopol" be serviced in Sevastopol?

      If so, then I prefer the name "Havana" or "Cam Ranh" repeat
      1. Garrin
        Garrin 2 September 2013 15: 51 New
        +2
        Quote: seasoned
        If so, then I prefer the name "Havana" or "Cam Ranh" feel

        Tartus is also good.
      2. sergey72
        sergey72 2 September 2013 16: 49 New
        0
        I will add "Cienfuegos", our ships were based there.
      3. gispanec
        gispanec 2 September 2013 20: 15 New
        0
        Quote: seasoned
        then I like the name "Havana" or "Cam Ranh"

        Well then to me, London and New York ... so it will be calmer))))
  7. Alikovo
    Alikovo 2 September 2013 15: 26 New
    0
    to open a naval base in Kamran there is the place for them.
  8. ankh-andrej
    ankh-andrej 2 September 2013 15: 37 New
    0
    It’s still not clear. What will be used as landing boats?
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 2 September 2013 16: 02 New
      +1
      French tankers with the prefix NG. On the first pair of them.
    2. MstislavHrabr
      MstislavHrabr 2 September 2013 18: 03 New
      +1
      The design bureau of the Nizhny Novgorod Motor Ship Plant has developed the design of the landing ship 02320 Cossack, which can be placed in the docking chamber of the Mistral type landing helicopter dock. According to the Central Naval Portal, a new boat project was presented at the International Naval Salon in St. Petersburg.

      The landing boat is about 28 meters long and about seven meters wide. The boat can reach speeds of up to 11 knots and carry two armored personnel carriers of the BTR-80 type or up to one hundred landing personnel.
  9. Tatarus
    Tatarus 2 September 2013 15: 38 New
    0
    I don’t understand why Franks should be helped. Find flaws, sue, refuse to cooperate. Stuck in the courts so that they would not be up to Syria. Holland as the war is torn. Real battle pi * org
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 2 September 2013 16: 01 New
      +3
      You are behind the times, no one is tearing anywhere - 4 numbers will be discussed and voted in parliament.
  10. Muadipus
    Muadipus 2 September 2013 15: 50 New
    0
    It is interesting, but if we all the same enter into a military confrontation (Russia against the USA + France) against the background of Syria. What is the fate of the Mistral? they will try to send us. or will fight and still fulfill contractual obligations. like .. War is war, and Business is business. :)
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 2 September 2013 16: 00 New
      0
      Business is business. Shipyards in Saint-Nazaire were left without serious orders from the Navy, they will not contract a new supplier for the French Navy until 17, they no longer even talk about the aircraft carrier in pair De Gaulle, because there is no money even for the long term.
      1. teleset
        teleset 2 September 2013 16: 31 New
        0
        I think that it will depend on the Tago how much they paid. and how much more should
        if fully paid, it is more likely that they will be thrown.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 2 September 2013 16: 44 New
          +1
          Kidk is bad:
          1) Not only contracts with Russia! Other countries, such as India, Morocco and other 100 will once again think and terminate the contracts for billions of euros. For no one wants to deal with someone who has just thrown a customer and can do it again.
          2) Russia may close the project on the 18 launch vehicle for Guiana - it’ll hit even harder than both Mistrals.
          3) The joint military-technical cooperation will be covered at once, and there are more contracts than these Mistrals are worth.

          What are the advantages?
          1) + 2 boxes at the expense of others. However, the Navy does not need them, they and Dixmund did not need it. The cost of maintaining the 5 UDC in service is not affordable, so either Peru will buy or sell the 50% discount, or inflate the budget.
          2) Ekak hit the damned Russians for supporting Assad's regime!
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 2 September 2013 16: 14 New
      0
      There is very serious military cooperation with France.
      1. gunnerminer
        gunnerminer 2 September 2013 16: 53 New
        +1
        There is very serious military cooperation with France.


        You greatly exaggerate the scale of cooperation. France is a member of NATO. Nobody will allow the French military-political leadership to dispose of military technologies and materials.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 2 September 2013 17: 03 New
          +1
          Thermal imagers - a joint venture and a separate license for VOMZ, plus matrices.
          Joint project LEA hypersonic project - MBDA + Onera + TsAGI + Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation (as a participant) + Tactical Missile Corporation.

          This is so, at first glance, you can still add Vepri who buy for the French police, sets of equipment and communications, which are purchased for comparison and study ours. Well, if you dig deeper, you can find quite a lot of interesting things, I just don’t have time request .
          1. dmitreach
            dmitreach 2 September 2013 17: 15 New
            +1
            French even registered on Wikramaditye.
          2. gunnerminer
            gunnerminer 3 September 2013 00: 16 New
            0
            Thermal imagers - a joint venture and a separate license for VOMZ, plus matrices.
            Joint project LEA hypersonic project - MBDA + Onera + TsAGI + Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation (as a participant) + Tactical Missile Corporation.

            This is so, at first glance, you can still add Vepri who buy for the French police, sets of equipment and communications, which are purchased for comparison and study ours. Well, if you dig deeper, you can find quite a lot of interesting things, I just don’t have time


            A trifle that does not have significant defense or industrial significance for the RF Armed Forces.
            1. Alexey Prikazchikov
              Alexey Prikazchikov 3 September 2013 01: 07 New
              -3
              Oh bumpkin with bmpt? Well hello clown.
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 3 September 2013 14: 55 New
          -1
          In the course, what exactly are they buying? And they buy a lot. For example, helmets for Mig, matrices for thermal imagers
          1. gunnerminer
            gunnerminer 3 September 2013 16: 25 New
            0
            know what exactly they are buying? And they buy a lot. For example, helmets for Mig, matrices for thermal imagers


            The small things you listed are not worthy of attention. France is a NATO member country with all the ensuing consequences for military-technical cooperation. The French military-political leadership will not violate treaties and agreements with its long-standing partners and allies for the sake of dubious transactions with a country that can transfer these technologies or models of technology, for example, Iran.
  11. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 2 September 2013 16: 22 New
    +6
    Although I was initially against buying the Mistral, but let it be. Since 1992, this is essentially the first surface ship for the Pacific Fleet. And ships of this size did not arrive there for 30 years.
    1. Tektor
      Tektor 2 September 2013 17: 32 New
      0
      And in this photo I even see where you can attach a springboard for non-flying UAVs ...
      1. gispanec
        gispanec 2 September 2013 20: 19 New
        +2
        Quote: Tektor
        And in this photo I even see where you can attach a springboard for non-flying UAVs ..

        yeah, but I see where to add the proton-ion engine to Mars in 24 hours ...
      2. 77bor1973
        77bor1973 2 September 2013 21: 42 New
        0
        He in the original version was there and was supposed to be.
      3. gunnerminer
        gunnerminer 3 September 2013 00: 19 New
        0
        And in this photo I even see where you can attach a springboard for non-flying UAVs.


        How much heavier will this part of Mistral become, how will it affect the seaworthiness of the ship? How will the hull have to be strengthened?
        1. Coward
          Coward 3 September 2013 05: 24 New
          0
          How much heavier will this part of Mistral become, how will it affect the seaworthiness of the ship? How will the hull have to be strengthened?
          Checking the seaworthiness, heeling and recalculation of stability is required in case of a change in the weight displacement of an empty ± 15%. To strengthen the body, it is enough to install additional stiffening ribs, usually they coincide with the walls of the foundation. Sometimes additionally increase the thickness of the deck deck.
          1. gunnerminer
            gunnerminer 3 September 2013 16: 27 New
            0
            Checking the seaworthiness, heeling and recalculation of stability is required in case of a change in the weight displacement of an empty ± 15%. To strengthen the body, it is enough to install additional stiffening ribs, usually they coincide with the walls of the foundation. Sometimes additionally increase the thickness of the deck deck.

            The measures listed by you will require a change in the design of the ship.
    2. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 4 September 2013 21: 14 New
      0
      Quote: Kibalchish
      And this size ships did not arrive there for about 30 years.

      Since 1989 It turns out 24 years.
  12. DEfindER
    DEfindER 2 September 2013 16: 32 New
    0
    As soon as they receive it, they’ll immediately send it to the docks for fine-tuning, because a lot of things need to be adapted, and the engines for our climate, and the weapons control system for our weapons .. I'm afraid it will take longer to finish building the ship itself. It is a pity that the appearance can not be changed, we will like a medieval Galleon to swim, only from metal :)
    1. old rocket man
      old rocket man 2 September 2013 23: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: DEfindER
      As soon as they receive it, they will immediately send it to the docks for fine-tuning, because a lot of things need to be adapted, and the engines for our climate,

      And you can’t tell me why it’s so special, is the climate of Vladivostok so different from the North Atlantic? laughing
  13. andrei332809
    andrei332809 2 September 2013 16: 50 New
    0
    who is there from Vladik? go on a "tour" and share your impressions. those that are not classified
  14. gunnerminer
    gunnerminer 2 September 2013 16: 51 New
    +1
    Mr. D.O. Rogozin is in a hurry. The ship has not been built, it hasn’t been transferred to the KTOF. It’s a bad maritime sign to talk about repairing an unsubmitted new building. If you plan to deploy anti-submarine helicopters on Mistral, how will the storage facilities for nuclear depth bombs be equipped? Do you really trust French specialists? How will the representatives of the relevant KTOF department take over the equipment of these premises? And the question of manning crews is also of interest. Finding such a number of military sailors of all categories of personnel is very difficult.
    1. dmitreach
      dmitreach 2 September 2013 17: 12 New
      +1
      I will copy your comment into the archive of epic thoughts. for a collection.
      1. gunnerminer
        gunnerminer 2 September 2013 20: 45 New
        0
        This is your own business, where and what to copy.
  15. biglow
    biglow 2 September 2013 17: 01 New
    0
    "Sevastopol" we are waiting in Sevastopol
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 2 September 2013 22: 05 New
      0
      The second Mistral will come to Novorossiysk. The leaders of Ukraine will not extend the agreement on basing ships in Sevastopol. Whether they want it or not.
  16. Phobia
    Phobia 2 September 2013 17: 03 New
    0
    I am not far from Vlad, I will find the time to go and touch this "miracle" with a specialist, even though the pass is valid ... I will definitely share my impressions. do not ask for a photo from the boat))) I will not)))
    1. gispanec
      gispanec 2 September 2013 20: 20 New
      0
      Quote: Fobia
      do not ask for a photo from the boat))) I won’t give it)))

      and so? ... from the words of respected members of the forum - ETOGES is just a barge ... which will rot in 5 years .... and we won’t see pictures in fresh paint ...
    2. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 2 September 2013 20: 46 New
      0
      I am not far from Vlad, I will find the time to go and touch this "miracle" with a specialist, even though the pass is valid ... I will definitely share my impressions. do not ask for a photo from the boat))) I will not)))

      You will have to wait at least two years for this joyful meeting with Mistral.
  17. makst83
    makst83 2 September 2013 17: 06 New
    0
    I hope this is the first and penultimate foreign ship in our Navy!
    1. svp67
      svp67 2 September 2013 17: 08 New
      +2
      Quote: makst83
      I hope this is the first and penultimate foreign ship in our Navy!
      Well, far from the first ...
      1. makst83
        makst83 3 September 2013 07: 27 New
        0
        I mean a warship!
    2. gispanec
      gispanec 2 September 2013 20: 21 New
      0
      Quote: makst83
      I hope this is the first and penultimate foreign ship in our Navy!

      I certainly did not count ... but certainly not the first TEN ... I'm afraid that not even the third ...
  18. Jarik56
    Jarik56 2 September 2013 18: 35 New
    0
    Quote: S_mirnov
    Perhaps the French engineers and shipbuilders are very grateful to us, we provided them with work, and how much more we will pay for spare parts! And we’ll feed our own, they will bore the French tub under our armament. fool

    Well, objectively speaking, a century ago we acquired ships overseas, and under Comrade Stalin. So everything is in order.
    1. gispanec
      gispanec 2 September 2013 20: 22 New
      0
      Quote: Jarik56
      Well, objectively speaking, a century ago we acquired ships overseas, and under Comrade Stalin. So everything is in order.

      Yes, almost all BDK from Poland .... how many of them?))
      1. gunnerminer
        gunnerminer 2 September 2013 20: 49 New
        0
        The leader, Tashkent, was purchased in Italy and was accepted into the KChF in 1939. Until 1917, many units were acquired abroad.
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 2 September 2013 22: 30 New
          +1
          Quote: gunnerminer
          Until 1917, many units were acquired abroad.

          Let's remember "Varyag" ...
      2. donavi49
        donavi49 2 September 2013 21: 15 New
        +1
        Not only.
        IPC 1331-M were built in Volgast in a large series for the Warsaw Pact countries, the Baltic Fleet.
        1176 recreation center was built in Varna for the Black Sea Fleet and the Warsaw Pact.
        14 BDK 775 of the project which remained in service - all Poles.
        More than 100 770 KFOR and development, everyone has already left the Russian Navy, but in other countries they go, more than 50 units have been built for the Soviet Navy.

        Separately, it should be said about the auxiliary fleet, there 2/3 foreign ships.
        For example, supply tankers of the Dubna-Finland type.
        Sea tugs - Finland.
        Fleet supply ships - East Germany and Poland.
        Hospital ships of the 320 project - Poland.

        Also, a lot of small built in Bulgaria.
  19. waisson
    waisson 2 September 2013 20: 09 New
    0
    scold it, it would be better if they ordered fishing bases than these ferrets of the humpback salmon and caviar having fallen in price, this object appeared in central Russia without a fleet of co-operation and protection, it’s just a target
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 2 September 2013 21: 26 New
      +1
      Why should fishbases be ordered from them when we are going to build them ??? A number of river plants, also in the Far East, have already been laid and are being built.

      In the north they finish off the 2 seiner but that is a bit outdated.

      Pella deploys innovative longline fishing vessels.

      And why order fishing vessels from those who themselves order them in Norway, Japan, China or Korea?

      About the escort fleet laughed laughing . We have enough of it, right now, in one tense region, the 2 BOD, 1 SKR and the Missile Cruiser + 1 SKR in the near reserve will gather. Without any difficulties, you can get an 3-4 ship from any fleet into the guard. Plus, do not forget that they are building now - 7 frigates and will be laying new ones this year, and this is a distant sea zone. But on the landing ships, everything is sad, only the Poles, and the Tapirs, who are already beginning to fall apart intensively. Own Gren is unsuccessful, to put it mildly, and the old concept has not been working for a long time (which was recognized back in the USSR, by the way - it was simply the carriers who chose the 2 Aircraft Carrier or 2 UDC as the most urgent one).

      And yes, while cruisers with missile weapons are peacefully keeping watch and displaying a flag, there is a tense but peaceful situation in the world, who plows tirelessly? Correctly BDK and notice sometimes without any cover, or with a purely symbolic RCA.
  20. -Max-
    -Max- 2 September 2013 21: 04 New
    +1
    By the way, not the worst spending when Serdyukov.
    It’s good that they removed him on time, or maybe he and Mrs. Vasilyeva planned to remake them for yachts am
    Only today I learned that Eugene Vasiliev is the cousin of the wife of D.A. Medvediev.
    And why before then everyone was silent ???
    1. sashka
      sashka 3 September 2013 01: 22 New
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      Quote: -Max-
      And why before then everyone was silent ???

      If you find out, then just go crazy .. here you are not here ..)))
    2. svp67
      svp67 3 September 2013 01: 25 New
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      Quote: -Max-
      Only today I learned that Eugene Vasiliev is the cousin of the wife of D.A. Medvediev.
      And why before then everyone was silent ???
      And not who and did not hide ... If you look at the pedigree of all, then there is straight "family in a row ..."
  21. sashka
    sashka 3 September 2013 01: 20 New
    +1
    The first Russian Mistral will be served in Vladivostok
    You can’t imagine a stupid phrase. Why not in Maskva. Although the idea is correct.
  22. Kavtorang
    Kavtorang 3 September 2013 05: 19 New
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    Quote: PSih2097
    Quote: gunnerminer
    Until 1917, many units were acquired abroad.

    Let's remember "Varyag" ...

    Let's remember. Squadron battleship "Retvizan" and armored cruiser of the 1st rank "Varyag" - USA. Squadron battleship "Tsesarevich", armored cruiser-yacht "Svetlana", armored cruiser 1st rank "Bayan" - France. Armored cruiser 1 rank "Bogatyr", armored cruiser 1 rank "Askold" and squadron reconnaissance 2 rank "Novik" - Germany. Squadron reconnaissance officer of the 2nd rank "Boyarin" and gunboat "Manchzhur" - Denmark. Cannon boat "Koreets" - Sweden.
    We will not consider destroyers, they were riveted all from England to Germany and they themselves built.
    After RYAV: armored cruiser "Rurik-II" - England, "Bayan-II" - France. Destroyers of the type "Ukraine", "Mechanical Engineer Zverev", 16 units in total - Germany. Destroyers of the type "Okhotnik" - Germany (project development ). Magnificent destroyers of the "Novik" -Germany and England (design, mechanisms, turbines). Submarines of the "American Holland" type - it is clear from where, only 11 units.
    In Soviet times: the heavy cruiser "Petropavlovsk" - Germany, the leader of the destroyers ("blue cruiser") "Tashkent" - Italy. Submarines type "C" -Germany (project development and design support).
    It seems like everything, if you forgot something - supplement. Trophy ships, Lend-Lease and the help of allies in the Second World War - we do not consider.
    1. sergey72
      sergey72 3 September 2013 06: 48 New
      +1
      Two more "Italians" were not counted: PSKR "Kirov" and PSKR "Dzerzhinsky".
      1. Kavtorang
        Kavtorang 3 September 2013 07: 18 New
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        I did not know about these.
        Thanks for the addition. So they are also awarded - Orders of the Red Banner, for the Kuril Islands. And who took the project as the basis, are not rich in information? Or was the design specification ours? So - typical SKRs.
        1. sergey72
          sergey72 3 September 2013 07: 32 New
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          Not rich in information, but I read about them in a book about Maslov - GK KR "Kirov", "Chkalov", "Sverdlov".
        2. Aleksys2
          Aleksys2 3 September 2013 09: 42 New
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          Quote: Kavtorang
          And who took the project as the basis, are not rich in information?

          By the middle of the 30-ies in the Far East there was practically no combat fleet, and the maritime border forces consisted of several old armed ships. In this regard, the country's leadership decided to strengthen the Far Eastern theater of operations with new ships, including those that should have appeared in the NKVD USSR Marine Border Guard. But the domestic shipyards were unable to quickly build several watchdogs with good seaworthiness. In this connection, an order for two PSKRs was issued by one of the Italian shipyard. Under the terms of the contract, they had to build ships and drive on their own to the Far East, where our crews would already accept them. Ships surrendered to the customer without weapons, which were already installed independently.
          "Kirov" ("PS-26") - in November 1934 moved to the Far East in Vladivostok, unarmed, with an Italian crew and under the Italian flag. Accepted by the customer and in 1935 became a part of the NKVD Marine Guard of the USSR.
          "Dzerzhinsky" ("PS-8") - in November 1934 moved to the Far East in Vladivostok, unarmed, with an Italian crew and under the Italian flag. Accepted by the customer and in 1935 became a part of the NKVD Marine Guard of the USSR.
          1. Kavtorang
            Kavtorang 3 September 2013 09: 56 New
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            Judging by the stars - a quote from a monograph. This is not a reference. A reference?
            1. Aleksys2
              Aleksys2 3 September 2013 10: 16 New
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              Quote: Kavtorang
              A reference?

              http://pogranznaki.ru/pskr.html
    2. Aleksys2
      Aleksys2 3 September 2013 09: 53 New
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      Quote: Kavtorang
      Recall.

      Orders for the 2 class cruiser were won by foreign manufacturers. The contract for the construction of Novik was awarded to the German company Schihau (German: F. Schichau AG). The lightest ship had rather modest armament and a limited range. The Ministry of the Sea described him as a "huge destroyer." However, the speed of the cruiser exceeded 25 knots and attracted the attention of sailors around the world. He replenished the Russian fleet in the 1901 year.
      Following the Novik model, the Nevsky Plant was commissioned to build two more cruisers - the Pearl and the Emerald. However, the poor quality of construction at the domestic plant and the desire to improve the project, in particular, in terms of armament, led to the fact that the cruisers of the project formed a noticeable overload, the speed characteristics decreased, and the cruisers themselves cost the treasury much more expensive than Novik. Both cruisers entered service in the 1904 year.
      Another Russian armored cruiser of 2 rank was unexpectedly received by the Russian imperial fleet from Denmark. The Boyarin, designed by Burmeister and Vine (Dat. Burmeister og Wain) was much inferior to Novik in the main element - speed, but in other characteristics it did not have a significant advantage. However, ties between the Russian imperial family and Denmark led to the conclusion of a contract executed by 1902.
    3. Aleksys2
      Aleksys2 3 September 2013 09: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: Kavtorang
      In Soviet times: heavy cruiser "Petropavlovsk" - Germany

      After the conclusion of the Nonaggression Pact between Germany and the USSR on 23 on August 1939, the military-technical cooperation between the two countries intensified. The USSR supplied Germany with a lot of raw materials and foodstuffs, in exchange it wanted to receive samples of the latest military equipment. 11 February 1940 year, the cruiser "Luttsov", being in unfinished condition (the ship was finished on the upper deck, had some superstructures and a bridge, as well as two lower towers of the main caliber with guns installed only in the bow of them), was sold to the Soviet Union for 104 million Reichsmarks. The cruiser received the designation “53 project”, from April 15 to May 31 it was towed to Leningrad, to the Baltic Shipyard. An engineering delegation from Germany arrived with the cruiser to continue work. However, in connection with the planned war with the USSR, Germany did not want to strengthen its future adversary and, therefore, in every possible way delayed the supply of basic components. By the beginning of World War II, the ship was in 70% readiness.
      On 15 of August 1941 of the year, a naval flag was hoisted on Petropavlovsk and it joined the Soviet fleet (in conditionally combat-ready condition, in fact, the ship continued to be unfinished). Commander - Captain 2 rank A. G. Vanifatiev.
      During the war, the cruiser used 4 203-mm guns mounted on it on coastal targets. In September, 1941 was severely damaged by numerous shell hits. On 1 of September 1944 of the year Petropavlovsk was renamed to Tallinn.
      After the end of World War II, the cruiser “Tallinn” was never completed. For some time it was used as a non-self-propelled training vessel, and then - a floating barracks (on March 11 of the 1953 of the year 27 was renamed the Dnieper, and on December 1956 of the 112 it was designated the PKZ-3). April 1958 1959 of the year was removed from the fleet lists during 1960 — XNUMX years was disassembled for metal.
  23. Kavtorang
    Kavtorang 3 September 2013 05: 33 New
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    Is it okay that Dalzavod is bankrupt? Here's a link - study who is interested in understanding the entire history of bankruptcy proceedings from 2009 to today:
    http://www.law-soft.ru/2504001617
    Or we have Comrade Rogozin D.O. got a magic wand? Or, as always, he finds out unexpectedly and will gush with foamed feces like on the "Star". Or, in the manner of Comrade Shoigu at 42 Shipyard, he will be surprised - and what a boat has been in the dock for the sixth year and at the exit - nifiga-s?
  24. Vtel
    Vtel 3 September 2013 09: 35 New
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    We’ll wait and see, but what a French tooth is missing, I’m calm for our stern.
  25. Kavtorang
    Kavtorang 3 September 2013 10: 53 New
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    Quote: Aleksys2
    Orders for the 2nd class cruiser were won by foreign manufacturers. The contract for the construction of "Novika

    2-rank. Unless you decide to change the entire classification. BRP KR 2nd rank "Izumrud" is one of four ships that escaped from the Tsushima ring to Vladivostok on 15.05.1905. Due to a military breakdown of the commander's psyche (captain 1st rank Fersen) 17.05/1905/120 - blown up by the crew in Vladimir Bay, after landing aground. One gun - XNUMXmm caliber is on display in the Pacific Fleet Naval Museum.
    BRP KR 2nd rank "Pearls" - (commander - captain 2nd rank Levitsky) on the night of May 14-15, 1905, by order of the commander of the cruiser squadron Rear Admiral Enquist, together with the BRP-KR "Oleg" and "Aurora" broke out of the ring and left for Manila, where he arrived on 21.05.1905/XNUMX/XNUMX. With the permission of Emperor Nicholas II, he was interned until the end of the RJAV.
    Due to the impenetrable stupidity of the new commander on 16.10.1914/105/88 in Penang, he was shot at point-blank range by two torpedoes and multiple hits of XNUMX mm caliber of the German "white swan" - armored cruiser "Emden". XNUMX dead.
    1. Aleksys2
      Aleksys2 3 September 2013 11: 20 New
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      Quote: Kavtorang
      2-rank.

      Olepyatka :)
      Of course, 2 rank.
    2. Aleksys2
      Aleksys2 3 September 2013 19: 37 New
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      Quote: Kavtorang
      Due to the impenetrable stupidity of the new commander on 16.10.1914/105/88 in Penang, he was shot at point-blank range by two torpedoes and multiple hits of XNUMX mm caliber of the German "white swan" - armored cruiser "Emden". XNUMX dead.

      27 September "Pearl" went to Singapore, escorting French transport along the way. Having stood 5 days in Singapore, the "Pearl" went further to Penang, escorting four vehicles. From there, the cruiser headed for the Nicobar Islands in search of the German Raider Emden. However, I had to return back to Penang on the same day due to the poor technical condition of the boiler plant.
      Having anchored, Baron Cherkasov requested the permission of the English vice admiral T. Jerram, to whom he was subordinate, to sort the cars and alkalize the boilers after a long voyage. After obtaining permission, all but one of the boilers were decommissioned, but did not take into account that the remaining boiler could not provide normal power supply, in particular, the operation of projectile elevators and drainage facilities. On October 14, the wife of I. A. Cherkasov arrived in Penang, and he went ashore, nevertheless ordering, “just in case”, to have loaded guns facing the entrance to the raid.
      At 4 h 50 min 15 October "Emden", without lights, with a fake pipe that made it look like the English cruiser "Yarmouth", entered Penang harbor, where it was freely admitted by sentinel ships, deceived by the appearance of the cruiser.
      Every night, Lieutenant Mound personally went to the signal station at the headquarters of the garrison. Apparently, no other protective measures, except for the deportation of a destroyer (Mousquet) and a patrol boat to the aisle, were sent to the sea. Two other French destroyers stood, mooring, against the wall. D'lberville also went over cars. This was the state of affairs in Penang when, around 5 in the morning of 28 October, a four-pipe cruiser appeared at the entrance to the harbor (the fourth pipe was false), painted, like our cruisers, in dark gray. The flag raised on a gaffle was mistaken for English, and the patrol boat, without even interrogating it and without warning the "Pearls", allowed it to pass freely.
      Emden, from a distance near 1 cablet, fired the first mine from the right side vehicle and at the same moment opened fire with the entire board on the bow of the Pearl ...
      At the "Pearl" panic began, part of the team rushed overboard. The cruiser officers managed to restore order, but the people who got up to the guns did not find shells - the feed elevators did not work. Senior artillery officer Yu. Yu. Rybaltovsky personally opened fire from a yutovoy gun and, according to Russian sources, made two hits in a German ship. The officer in charge of the warrant officer, A.K. Sipailo, managed to make only one shot from the tank gun, but was immediately killed. A few minutes later, "Emden", again going to the "Pearl" beam, released a mine from the left apparatus, which, falling under the bridge of a Russian ship, caused the cellar to detonate. A column of smoke and steam soared up to a height of about 150 m, the hull broke and went off with its nose, through 15 with only the mast top with a ray remained on the surface.
      Leaving the harbor, the German cruiser sank the French destroyer and melted in the dark. Meanwhile, in the port began to rescue the team "Pearl". After the calculation, it turned out that Midshipman Sipailo and 80 of the lower ranks died, later 7 people died of wounds, 9 officers and 113 of the lower ranks were injured of varying severity.
      An investigative commission was created regarding the death of the cruiser, which laid the blame on the commander of the ship, Baron I. A. Cherkasov and senior officer N. V. Kulibin.
  26. Kavtorang
    Kavtorang 3 September 2013 11: 27 New
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    Let's continue. BRP KR 2nd rank "Novik" - slave BRP-KR 1st rank "Askold" escaped from the blockade ring of Port Arthur on 28.07.1914/2/29.07. Commander - Captain 07.08.1904nd Rank Von Schultz. XNUMX. went into the German naval base Kiao-Chau and the commander decided to go for a breakthrough in Vladivostok, bypassing Japan. XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX went for bunkering at the port of Korsakov (Sakhalin Island). At the exit, it was intercepted by the newest Japanese armored cruiser Tsushima. In the course of a fierce battle, he received critical damage. Due to the absence of a dock base, the ship's officers' council decided to flood.
    BRP-KR 2nd rank "Boyarin". Commander - Captain 2nd Rank Sarychev. 29.01.1904/30/01.02.1905 was blown up by its own mines. Left by the team. The commander was the last to leave the ship. On January XNUMX, the abandoned cruiser was carried to a sandbank, was thrown off by a storm on the night of XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX - after being carried out to a Russian minefield, twice blown up by mines and sank.
    The commander of the ship was put on trial by the military tribunal on 12.02.1904/XNUMX/XNUMX. Sentence:
    The court found V.F. "Negligence or negligence in the actions of the commander for controlling the cruiser, which were the cause of the death of the latter, the court in the circumstances of the case [was] not found."
  27. ilia3075
    ilia3075 3 September 2013 18: 33 New
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    Of course, the Russian Mistrals will remain warships capable of performing assault and assault functions. So, Ka-52K helicopters can attack coastal and sea targets with missiles. It was also reported on the likely arming of our Mistral containers with Caliber-NK cruise missiles with a range of up to 1400 km. There were some very interesting suggestions for their placement. In order not to clutter the flight deck and not interfere with the take-off and landing of helicopters, containers can be installed on light removable sponsons along the left and right sides. Thus 24 containers with 96 Caliber-NK missiles for various purposes (anti-ship, anti-submarine and ship-to-ground class) are placed. In the future, some of the containers can be easily adapted to accommodate medium or long-range air defense systems.
    http://oborona.ru/includes/periodics/navy/2013/0318/112410355/detail.shtml
    1. Aleksys2
      Aleksys2 3 September 2013 19: 52 New
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      Quote: ilia3075
      It was also reported about the likely arming of our Mistral containers with Caliber-NK cruise missiles with a range of up to 1400 km.


      Rocket - Launch Mass - Range

      3M-54Э - 2300 kg - 220 km
      3M-54X1 - 1800 kg - 300 km
      3M-14Э - 1770 kg - 300 km
      91RE1 - 2100 kg - 50 km (Torpedo APR-3МЭ)
      91РТЭ2 - 1200 kg - 40 km (Torpedo MPT-1УМЭ)
      The question is where is the range of 1400 km?
      Question 2 how much does one caliber-NK cruise missile container weigh?