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Graduate school for the bomb. Air war is changing the face

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Graduate school for the bomb. Air war is changing the face

The past two decades have become a period of another revolution in the military, where digital technologies are increasingly being introduced. We have entered the era of "informatization" of the war. One of the most obvious manifestations of this revolution was the massive proliferation of high-precision weapons, which supplant unguided ammunition.


With surgical precision

In fact, in the most developed countries of the West, this process has already taken complete forms in the field of aviation weapons. The death of the "ordinary" aviation bombs can be considered a fait accompli, it’s time to serve a memorial service for unguided artillery shells.

In fact, throughout the last quarter of a century, all US and NATO military campaigns, traditionally conducted with air power, were distinguished by an increasing share of the use of guided aircraft weapons and high-precision weapons (WTO) other types. It was the large-scale use of the WTO that allowed the Western powers to finally translate local wars with their participation into a “non-contact” form, making the current aviation a decisive factor capable of fully determining the outcome of a modern limited war.

The WTO made it possible to dramatically increase the effectiveness of the use of weapons of destruction, contributing literally to an abrupt increase in the number of targets hit. If earlier large enough aviation groups had to be equipped to defeat an important goal, and without any guarantee of success, and often at risk of possible losses, now it became realistic to implement the “one ammunition - one goal” principle, and with a probability of defeat close to 100-percent .

Modern aviation WTO can be used sighting, regardless of the distance and height of the carrier from the target. This actually made it possible to abandon the direct search for the target by the means of the aircraft itself and its crew and proceed to the automated use of weapons from high and medium heights. In fact, strike aircraft were transformed into platforms, patrolling at medium and high altitudes, inaccessible to most air defense weapons, and sending high-precision ammunition from there according to previously obtained target coordinates or by external target designation.

All this leads to dramatic changes in the appearance of the air war. Direct air support of troops can now be carried out from medium and high altitudes, without requiring a reduction over the battlefield, and thus threatening the class of attack aircraft and fighter-bombers in their traditional understanding with the disappearance. Moreover, the very participation of a person in the process of using weapons can be minimized, which opens the way for the introduction of strike unmanned aerial vehicles. The actions of aviation themselves become virtually unpunished due to the inaccessibility of the main body of air defense systems (especially military), demanding new, costly approaches to the organization of air defense.

Western experience

The lessons of the Western military campaigns of recent years give a fairly clear idea of ​​the trends in the development and application of the WTO. So, during the “Storm in the Desert” in 1991, American aircraft spent 210 thousand conventional unguided bombs and 16.8 thousand aviation guided munitions. That is, the share of guided weapons was about 7% of the total. Although the 1991 operation against Iraq was a combat debut for weapons with a satellite guidance system (American CALCM cruise missiles), the aircraft guided bombs used in this conflict were in the mass of their previous generations, with laser or television guidance systems. In addition, only a small number of aircraft were adapted for this weapon, which partly predetermined the limited use of the WTO. Nevertheless, it was then that the WTO was for the first time effectively and extensively used to crush the enemy’s air defense system, to destroy and suppress the command and control centers of enemy armed forces.

The 1991 experience of the year gave a tremendous impetus to the rapid introduction of the WTO in the United States and NATO countries. As a result, in less than a decade, the pattern of air warfare has seriously changed. In the course of the NATO military campaign against Yugoslavia in 1999, alliance aircraft dropped only about 14 thousand unguided bombs and about 9.6 thousand air guided munitions - the share of guided weapons was more than 40%. In this conflict, American tactical aviation practically did not use "stupid" bombs, moving almost exclusively to the use of guided weapons. The widespread use of the WTO, combined with effective electronic countermeasures and the suppression of enemy air defense systems, allowed NATO aircraft to move mainly to operations from medium and high altitudes, which brought numerous Yugoslav short-range air defense weapons out of the game. This minimized the losses of the aviation of the attackers - according to reliable data, for the entire conflict the Serbs managed to shoot down only two aircraft.

The use of unguided bombs in 1999 was the fate of the B-1B and B-52H strategic bombers who tried to arrange "traditional style" carpet bombing on Serbian positions in Kosovo - as can be judged, with negligible results with 11 thousand bombs dropped.

To counterbalance this, the B-2A Invisible Strategic Bombers demonstrated the highest efficiency. They used the main novelty, which greatly changed the concept of the effectiveness of aircraft armament, JDAM satellite guided bombs. At that time, only B-2A could carry JDAM, and flights were made from the US with numerous refueling in the air and continued from 28 to 32 hours. Bombing was carried out on previously reconnoitered targets from a height of about 12 thousand meters. As a result, six B-2A bombers with JDAM bombs, made 49 sorties (that is, less than 1% of the total number of coalition sorties) and dropped all 656 smart bombs, hit 33% of the total number of declared 995 NATO fixed targets. The effectiveness of the use of JDAM bombs was, according to American data, 95%.

After such a success, the arming of Western military aircraft with JDAM bombs and other satellite-guided munitions went wide. The campaign against Yugoslavia was the last major military operation in the West, in which the number of guided aviation ammunition used was less than the number of unguided ones. In the new war against Iraq in 2003, the share of aviation WTO already accounted for more than two-thirds - the US and British aircraft used 19 thousands of precision-guided munitions and only 9251 unguided bombs. Half of the dropped WTO has fallen on satellite-guided systems, primarily on JDAM bombs.

In the course of the Iraqi operation 2003 of the year and the subsequent counterinsurgency struggle in Iraq, as well as in the fighting against the Taliban in Afghanistan since 2001, the US and NATO aircraft tested new forms of direct support to ground forces. First of all, this is the application of the WTO on real-time target designation from advanced aircraft pilots on the ground. This allowed us to support ground units with unprecedented efficiency and efficiency, in fact, aviation began to play the role of high-precision "air artillery." The accuracy of the use of "smart" bombs allows them to be used to defeat an enemy who is in direct combat with his troops, and requests for strikes and target designation can now be issued even by small units - the level of platoons and companies. It is not difficult to understand that the enemy, who does not have such possibilities and methods of counteraction, is, in fact, doomed to extermination.

The development of modern high-precision ammunition allowed the process of reducing their weight to begin at the expense of reducing the mass of the warhead. A good example of this was the small-sized SDB bomb with a caliber of all 250 pounds (i.e., 113 kg), already adopted by American aircraft, and even more miniature ammunition, including equipment for small tactical-level drones, are on the way. Such small-sized "goods", firstly, cheaper; secondly, they allow to increase the ammunition of carrier aircraft to very significant values.

In the air operation in Libya in 2011, the aviation of the Western coalition already used almost exclusively the WTO (using about 5,5 thousand "smart" ammunition), finally switching to the "medium-altitude pre-programmed air war". It is not surprising that at the same time NATO aircraft did not suffer any combat losses (and even in the 2003 operation against Iraq, only one or two American planes were shot down due to the actions of the Iraqi air defense).

In Libya, Western aviation widely used high-precision operational-tactical cruise missiles (such as SCALP-EG and Storm Shadow), actively entering into service the NATO air forces and allowing them to deliver surgical precision strikes (including on protected objects such as command bunkers) without any entry into the air defense zone. Another feature of the Libyan campaign was the very large-scale debut of the WTO with combined and multi-channel guidance systems - in particular, guided bombs combining satellite guidance with laser semi-active, which can significantly improve the accuracy of hits. This also includes such a new product used with great success, as the British small-sized Brimstone airborne missiles with dual channel homing heads, which showed high efficiency against armored vehicles and other similar targets. At the same time combat aircraft can carry a significant amount of Brimstone missiles.

In Russia

A sad contrast to the capabilities of Western states was the actions of Russian aviation in the “five-day war” against Georgia in August 2008. Russian attack planes stormed the enemy troops from low altitudes in the best traditions of World War II, strikes on airfields and rear facilities of Georgia were bombed by Tu-22М3 and Su-24М bombers, and the coordination with the ground forces was minimal, and coordination with ground forces was minimal; "Friendly" fire. As a result, in an insignificant, in fact, military campaign against a weak enemy, the Russian Air Force managed to lose five planes (of which two or three, it seems, were shot down by their own).

So you can not fight today. The acute shortage and, in fact, the absence of many modern types of aviation WTO in service with the Russian military aviation forces us to use archaic and primitive methods of warfare, condemning the Air Force to notorious inefficiency and heavy losses, and when confronted with a serious enemy, it guarantees defeat.

At the same time, the argument often made in justification regarding the “high value” of the WTO on closer examination does not hold water. Yes, the price of high-precision ammunition is much higher than unmanaged ones. However, the cost of modern aviation systems, as well as their operation, and training, and maintenance of crews for them, is so high that their use without proper efficiency, and even with the risk of loss, becomes simply irrational from the point of view of "profitability". In Libya, the cost of one flight hour during a combat departure of a fighter-bomber was estimated at 50 – 60 thousand dollars, and this is without taking into account the training and maintenance of the crew. If we assume that for the guaranteed destruction of unmanaged weapons of one target, ten aircraft are required conditionally for several hours each (and this is still an optimistic estimate), then it is clear that this expenditure is irrational compared to the cost of departure of one strike aircraft with a pair of high-precision ammunition for solving the same problem. In the case of a much higher probability of losing a modern combat aircraft (costing many tens of millions of dollars) from countering air defenses when using unguided weapons, any talk about the “value” of the WTO generally turns into speculation. Obviously, using unguided bombs or unguided rockets from a modern combat aircraft is the same as chopping nuts with an electron microscope.

Russian military aviation is in dire need of rapid and large-scale re-equipment of modern means of destruction in the form of high-precision weapons of domestic production. Russia in this area is so critically lagging behind the West and simply has no right to widen the gap. The purchase of modern combat aircraft systems without the purchase of modern guided weapons - money down the drain. Uncontrollable bombs and unguided rockets as aviation weapons should be unconditionally abolished and buried, and the sooner this happens in the Russian Air Force, the better.
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  1. AVV
    AVV 3 September 2013 14: 57
    0
    It's time to catch up and overtake the adversaries !!!
    1. zart_arn
      zart_arn 3 September 2013 21: 22
      +6
      Russian attack aircraft stormed enemy troops from low altitudes in the best traditions of World War II, attacks on Georgian airfields and rear targets were carried out by Tu-22M3 and Su-24M bombers almost exclusively by unguided bombs, and coordination with ground forces was minimal, which led to numerous cases "Friendly" fire.
      - This is such a way of disposing of obsolete weapons. laughing Just kidding
      But in general I completely agree - we won’t be in time - we’ll be late.
      1. grafrozow
        grafrozow 3 September 2013 21: 51
        +3
        [quote = zart_arn] But in general I completely agree - we won’t be in time - we’ll be late. +++ and the train leaves, fewer friends.
        1. Arti
          Arti 3 September 2013 23: 39
          +2
          You're exactly the opposite right. Already, many countries understand the Middle East and Asia and Latin America.

          Everyone sees that the USA is crazy, they have no concept of conscience, and those who yesterday were their ally today become enemies, only because once refusing to fulfill their will are credited as unreliable, which means they need to be hurt.

          Defend Syria! - we will enter a new Era - where, although it is very difficult, but still it is possible, and therefore necessary, to fight for justice.
      2. Papakiko
        Papakiko 3 September 2013 22: 13
        +1
        Quote: zart_arn
        But in general I completely agree - we won’t be in time - we’ll be late.

        Do not worry comrades.
        All WTO on ZhiPiSi robs and helps all these waffles to become blanks is not a difficult matter. "Electronic" bombs were developed in the 70s.
        "Electronic bomb" - a generator of high-power radio waves, leading to the destruction of electronic equipment of command posts, communication systems and computer equipment. The generated electrical interference by the power of the impact on the electronics is comparable to a lightning strike. Belongs to the class "weapons of non-lethal action"
        Air defense needs to be strengthened by electronic warfare and avionics.

        About the article: What has been written about the NATO Air Force and the use of the WTO for 20 years is the dying fantasies of a "chopped with haloperidol". The emphasis is on the WTO.
        And the most important thing in the history of the WTO is target designation and intelligence, preferably in real time.
        1. grafrozow
          grafrozow 3 September 2013 23: 07
          +2
          Quote: Papakiko
          The entire WTO on the ZhPiSi robs and helping all these wafers to become discs is not a complicated matter.

          Everyone, a purely thinking individual .....
          Quote: Papakiko
          And the most important thing in the history of the WTO is target designation and intelligence, preferably in real time.
          The purpose of the instruction in the SA was a fucking zvizdezh ... When the planes flew from the GDR, we did not "see" them, the announcer was silent, although the planner was drawing the situation with discreteness of 2 minutes, 51 orb 1st that.
      3. skeptic
        skeptic 3 September 2013 23: 24
        +5
        Quote: zart_arn
        - This is such a way of disposing of obsolete weapons. laughing Just kidding.



        No - this is the disposal of modern aviation with obsolete ammunition.

        Not a joke. Alas.
      4. Dilshat
        Dilshat 3 September 2013 23: 57
        +1
        Someone had to die while recycling.
    2. Army1
      Army1 3 September 2013 22: 51
      -1
      Quote: AVV
      Russian military aviation is in dire need of rapid and large-scale re-equipment of modern means of destruction in the form of high-precision weapons of domestic production. Russia in this area is so critically lagging behind the West and simply has no right to widen the gap. The purchase of modern combat aircraft systems without the purchase of modern guided weapons - money down the drain. Uncontrollable bombs and unguided rockets as aviation weapons should be unconditionally abolished and buried, and the sooner this happens in the Russian Air Force, the better.

      So it seems that the Air Force stopped purchasing unguided weapons http://www.arms-expo.ru/049057054048124050053049051055.html
      And not everything is so bad "critically lagged behind" blah blah blah. quantity question.
    3. Arti
      Arti 3 September 2013 22: 59
      +3
      I believe that the successful use of the WTO depends on the technological lag of the opponent.

      And what do you think will happen on the battlefield if the enemy’s Radio-Optical-Electronic warfare can exceed the level of the WTO.

      Recently there was an article, _http: //www.xakep.ru/post/60998/default.asp

      The principle of combating the WTO is described very well there, electronic warfare equipment can replace a signal from satellites and reject the trajectory, possibly even on the heads of the Hi-tech military.

      The superiority of the United States in the air is obvious only for a poorly developed air defense system, while air defense means are clearly developing faster than the ability to evade them.

      All this makes the WTO an expensive toy, capable of delivering unpunished attacks on civilians and cavemen with minimal losses. And the effectiveness of the use of the WTO drops sharply in the fight against equal, and even more so will give few advantages in the fight against an enemy superior in terms of technology.

      I believe that Russia should focus on electronic warfare, air defense, real-time troop command and control and airspace control. Whatever one may say, it is much more pleasant to fight off the enemy's strike than to live out hours with a manic thought - "Well, hell, we will die, but we will fill them up"
  2. il grand casino
    il grand casino 3 September 2013 21: 19
    +2
    By the way ... like Prof laid out foty, how I make a controlled bomb out of an ordinary bomb ... There was interesting material. Who knows, unsubscribe
    1. Veles25
      Veles25 3 September 2013 22: 17
      +2
      ................
      1. abdrah
        abdrah 3 September 2013 23: 00
        +3
        Pay the taxpayer, pay. ok 95% of the performance, but again according to American data. And what about the performance of the assault on the Afghan fortress Kalai Dzhangi, do not remind? 95 or all 100% ?? The Americans know how to twist movies, but in reality it turns out differently. But about the bombing of Dresden with ordinary bombs, but they are also not fond of remembering the Amerikans and Britons who are very effective in the sense of destroying the population behind antiquity events.
    2. Nayhas
      Nayhas 4 September 2013 05: 34
      +1
      Quote: il grand casino
      Who knows, unsubscribe

      JDAM (Joint Direct Attack Munition) is an attachment kit for aerial bombs weighing 2000 pounds, 1000 pounds and 500 pounds (900/450/225 kg. Approximately). The kit includes aerodynamic surfaces and a unit with control equipment. The main version of JDAM has a control unit with an inertial guidance system and GPS, range up to 15 nautical miles, or about 28 km. The maximum range is achieved when a bomb is dropped from heights of at least 10 km. A JDAM bomb flies silently and without a thermal trace, making it difficult to detect. In addition to GPS guidance, a GOS (homing head) with a semi-active laser guidance system is also used, which allows JDAM to be used for moving targets. JDAM-ER tests are currently being conducted with an increased range of aerodynamic planes and a range of up to 65 km.
      The price of the kit depends on the type of aerial bomb, but on average it costs about 25 thousand dollars. On August 20 this year, Boeing produced a 250th JDAM guidance kit, i.e. The US Air Force is very actively using them.
      PS: The chatter that the GPS is "easily jammed with interference" and that the "GPS signal is easily intercepted" is nothing more than chatter. In addition, it is impossible to keep the electronic warfare equipment on all the time, because this unmasks them, and it is possible to determine when it will fly from the sky only when ground-based air defense systems are working, but JDAMs are used when air defense is suppressed and lies in ruins.
  3. Black
    Black 3 September 2013 21: 36
    +3
    Again we are catching up. Question-catch up?
    1. grafrozow
      grafrozow 3 September 2013 22: 01
      0
      Quote: Chen
      Again we are catching up. Question-catch up?
      Yes, and caught up, and distilled, and were going forward, but where did they come ???
  4. Recon
    Recon 3 September 2013 21: 37
    +2
    There must be political will and resources allocated. Quite a doable task for our defense industry.
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 4 September 2013 05: 41
      +1
      Quote: Recon
      There must be political will and resources allocated. Quite a doable task for our defense industry.

      You are an optimist. But for example, the Ministry of Defense believes that the domestic defense industry got stuck in the 80s and is not able to crawl out of there.
  5. Rus2012
    Rus2012 3 September 2013 21: 42
    0
    The universal WTO is the limit of the unattainable. WTO in local wars is a possible solution.
    BUT!
    WTO - does not have time to leave the conveyors, is already becoming obsolete. In addition, short-lived, expensive, requires highly qualified treatment and staff ...
    And ordinary ammunition: air bombs, artillery shells - can be stored and ready for use for many decades ...
    Where is the balance and reasonable sufficiency in striving for perfection?
    IMHO, only practice will prove ...
    1. Papakiko
      Papakiko 3 September 2013 22: 00
      +3
      Quote: Rus2012
      WTO - does not have time to leave the conveyors, is already becoming obsolete. In addition, short-lived, expensive, requires highly qualified treatment and staff ...

      I apologize in advance, but did you use Labrador or Gibloartar?
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 3 September 2013 23: 09
        0
        Quote: Papakiko
        I apologize in advance, but did you use Labrador or Gibloartar?

        With incompetents - I prefer not to enter into discussions, LN
        Insert a million cons, dear papicco
    2. optimist
      optimist 3 September 2013 22: 25
      +4
      Quote: Rus2012
      IMHO, only practice will prove ...

      In the summer of 1941, practice has already proved ... Despite the fact that the army was then an order of magnitude stronger and larger. The author did not mention the "Georgian war" for nothing: if then they screwed up and everything worked out only because the Georgians are worthless warriors, then in the event of a clash with NATO, the summer of 41 will be an innocent fuss in the sandbox.
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 3 September 2013 23: 14
        0
        Quote: optimist
        In the summer of 1941, practice had already proved ... Despite the fact that the army was then an order of magnitude stronger and larger.

        And what did 41 show? The lack of WTO in the Red Army?
        I recommend to argue with arguments, not general slogans, such as "Long live the Communist Party of the Soviet Union"
      2. Arti
        Arti 3 September 2013 23: 32
        0
        Georgia should not be confused with some kind of Iraq, Georgia was armed with modern medium-range air defense systems, and with the help of US intelligence, the radar was switched on for a short salvo, after which they left the Soviet air defense mobility.

        Now this is precisely what is stopping the attack from Syria, of course they will be able to penetrate their air defense, but the effectiveness of their strikes, taking into account the intelligence provided on time by the Russian Federation, will be negligible.
    3. Lopatov
      Lopatov 3 September 2013 23: 14
      +1
      There are kits that turn conventional bombs and conventional shells into precision weapons.
      Not here, really.
  6. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 3 September 2013 21: 44
    +5
    As, I remember, they used to say: "I subscribe to the opinion of a comrade who spoke earlier." So, I agree with the author and colleagues with the exclamation - DOCOLE ?! Enough already, as in the Second World War, even in Afghanistan it became clear ... But 30 years have passed ... angry
    1. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 3 September 2013 21: 48
      +1
      So Чthen I agree with the author and colleagues ... sorry for the typo.
  7. ZeroFact
    ZeroFact 3 September 2013 21: 48
    +1
    It is impossible to refuse traditional, reliable weapons. For us, the main threat is not Georgia. We need significant material reserves and people capable of using them at least somehow. With sophisticated weapons, this is unrealistic.
    1. matross
      matross 3 September 2013 22: 20
      +2
      Quote: ZeroFact
      It is impossible to refuse traditional, reliable weapons.

      I support. You can’t refuse completely. If you have to fight with the women, in the conditions of weak enemy air defense, very uncontrolled PSUs will come in handy. Anyway, the pocket is not tight stock! In the event of a long war (with anyone), a deficit of the WTO may arise, then old bombs and the ability to use them will come in handy.
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 4 September 2013 05: 48
        +1
        Quote: matRoss
        I support. You can’t refuse completely. If you have to fight with the baboons, in conditions of weak enemy air defense, very uncontrolled PSUs will come in handy.

        unguided weapons are a greater number of sorties, more ammunition used with a frankly not guaranteed result, and for maximum effectiveness it is necessary to descend to low altitudes once in the MZA and MANPADS coverage area.
    2. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 3 September 2013 22: 40
      +2
      It is impossible to refuse traditional, reliable weapons.

      So after all, nobody asks the question - unguided weapons vs WTO. hi
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 3 September 2013 23: 39
        -1
        Quote: Peaceful military
        unguided weapons vs WTO.

        look here -
        Quote: Rus2012
        WTO - does not have time to leave the conveyors, is already becoming obsolete. In addition, short-lived, expensive, requires highly qualified treatment and staff ...
        Papakiko (2) -
        I apologize in advance, but did you use Labrador or Gibloartar?
    3. Rus2012
      Rus2012 3 September 2013 23: 36
      0
      Quote: ZeroFact
      It is impossible to refuse traditional, reliable weapons.

      Of course you can’t!
      Here minus throwers have gathered, armchair lovers of the WTO, who have no idea about such parameters as shelf life, service life, etc. That even Strela2 has a power source very good. limited shelf life. And try to produce it in wartime. Although the designated shelf life of the same Strela2m is 10 years, in 10 years it will already be morally obsolete.
      The Yankees are saved by those. that they are preparing a WTO party and spending it completely for LAN. If the terms of the manufactured batch are coming to an end - appoint a "scapegoat" ...
    4. max702
      max702 4 September 2013 00: 10
      0
      And with what enemy is a prolonged war possible? Just with the one who is armed with the WTO, we will completely overwhelm all sorts of Georgia and Papuans with junk, but will they lie to NATO? Suppose, hypothetically, a conflict has occurred but nuclear weapons have not been used by both sides, and what then? And here’s what’s going to happen: an enemy armed with the WTO will knock out the air defense in the early hours of the war, the remaining Air Force, ammunition depots, fuel reserves in the following days, strategic units and industrial enterprises (and this will happen precisely because they will require an order of magnitude less for these purposes airplane sorties than with unguided munitions, and for the same period of time a much larger number of targets will be hit. they then have the industry and the Air Force left and it will be possible to compensate for the losses) this is how working half a year, (and where they should hurry) will turn the military potential of even such a huge country like ours into dust. So we have only one hope for nuclear weapons without it .. otherwise bombs and missiles would have fallen on our land for a long time.
  8. Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 3 September 2013 21: 50
    +2
    Since a potential enemy is developing means of high-precision destruction, and we are critically lagging behind, it means that while developing our own WTO, in parallel it is necessary to find options for defeating enemy orientation systems and binding to a specific terrain. Here is the topic of Chinese satellites maneuvering in space from one satellite to another, why don't we develop it here, plus the station of directed microwave radiation as a "gift" for other people's GPS satellites and the like.
    1. skeptic
      skeptic 3 September 2013 23: 38
      +1
      Quote: Starover_Z
      in parallel, it is necessary to find options for defeating enemy orientation systems and geo-referencing.


      The proposal is correct, but do not forget about the development of more advanced means of radar, thermal, color, light masking. The ability to dissolve, in nature, has always been in an important place and will always be.
  9. aud13
    aud13 3 September 2013 21: 55
    +3
    Relatively high cost - this is how to look.
    Every year in Russia, 2-3 warehouses explode, and so the video from the breaks is visible for tens of kilometers. Also, after all, mostly simple unguided shells and bombs are heated up.
    High-precision weapons on such a scale are not required, therefore, warehouse infrastructure can also be reduced. And accordingly, the costs of storing the WTO will decrease.
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 3 September 2013 23: 44
      0
      Quote: aud13
      Every year in Russia, in Russia, an 2-3 warehouse explodes, and so the video from the breaks is visible for tens of kilometers. Also, simple simple unguided shells and bombs are heated up mainly. High-precision weapons on such a scale are not required, therefore, warehouse infrastructure can also be reduced. And accordingly, the costs of storing the WTO will decrease.


      Have you ever wondered - why do warehouses explode?

      Regarding "simple unguided shells and bombs" - they were made sometimes years ago. The WTO cannot simply be stored so much.
      But, I am not an opponent of the WTO, I just expressed the problem - what should be the relationship between the WTO and traditional weapons?
  10. Veles25
    Veles25 3 September 2013 22: 09
    +3
    JDAM .......
  11. Veles25
    Veles25 3 September 2013 22: 10
    +3
    ..................
  12. wax
    wax 3 September 2013 22: 36
    +2
    The WTO is a weapon of aggression, a weapon of attack. In a real war of annihilation, all this optics, thermal imagers, and guidance systems will fail them due to an opaque atmosphere, destruction of satellites, and powerful radio suppression pulses. Therefore, a non-aggressor needs to develop both the WTO and powerful weapons of a crushing retaliation.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 4 September 2013 00: 11
      +3
      Quote: Wax
      a non-aggressor needs to develop both the WTO and powerful weapons of a crushing retaliation.

      Air bombs, even precision ones, require delivery vehicles, airplanes.
      It is inappropriate to cite the events of August 2008 as an example, comparing them with the mountains of Afgan. Nobody wanted to bomb the civilian population of Georgia. And in Afghanistan, guided missiles were "planted" straight into the mouth of the cave.
      A discussion of this problem is akin to figuring out what is best for ICBMs — mine installations, mobile or offshore.
  13. alex25
    alex25 3 September 2013 22: 47
    0
    With precision weapons, not everything is so simple. On the one hand, it needs to be developed, on the other hand, it is by no means a prodigy. It is necessary to competently maintain a balance between high-precision weapons and enhance the characteristics of conventional weapons. High-precision weapons, it’s good to fight with the Papuans, and in a war with a high-tech adversary, there’s a lot if and if. Since this part has not been disclosed, the author has a troika.
    Of course you need to buy, but the technological base is much more important. And ammunition platforms.
  14. Vlad_Mir
    Vlad_Mir 3 September 2013 22: 56
    +2
    Scary weapon! Who first hit - he won!
  15. voliador
    voliador 3 September 2013 23: 01
    0
    Yes, you need as many precision weapons as possible. Here, it seems, there is a big lag behind us from the Sramers and other Pidropeans.
    1. alex25
      alex25 3 September 2013 23: 07
      +1
      Experience with the use of precision weapons has shown that it is good for use on civilian infrastructure. In real combat conditions, most of the qualities are leveled by countermeasures and camouflage. Have you reviewed the cartoons? Duck there still will not show where the most important modern means of communication and control.
  16. Ram chandra
    Ram chandra 3 September 2013 23: 10
    0
    Awesome article - a lot has opened up for me. Especially - the lag in air-ground means. I didn’t think that SO.
  17. sad33
    sad33 3 September 2013 23: 14
    +1
    no need to catch up with anyone ... no catch up ... you need to look forward a step ... and create weapons on a completely different principle ..
  18. Kowalsky
    Kowalsky 3 September 2013 23: 20
    +4
    Quote: alex25
    in a war with a high-tech adversary a lot if and but


    And will you name at least one adversary of NATO, which today is able to stand on equal terms to resist the massive use of the WTO? Even Russia can do this only in the Moscow region, and even that is unlikely. But if to be completely meticulous, then Russia and China can be excluded from the list of enemies of NATO - in the near the future does not include war with them. So there is no nonecountries in the world capable of withstanding the coordinated application of the WTO. Which has been repeatedly proven in recent years. Those who have huge reserves of the WTO (NATO countries) simply do not have equal strength opponents. Yes, they may object to me, that, they say, after the war in Libya, the Europeans shot everything and then cried to Uncle Sam. So, if necessary, America will certainly throw the WTO as much as necessary (by the way, IMHO, this is one of the leashes for Europe - do you want expensive high-precision tsatskas for the next neocolonial war? Behave well, the good uncle will throw).
  19. alex25
    alex25 3 September 2013 23: 22
    +2
    With all his precision weapons, the American special forces could not take the fortified area of ​​Tora Bora, his ball is the Northern Alliance. And ours took him at least 2 times.
  20. Kowalsky
    Kowalsky 3 September 2013 23: 27
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    Quote: alex25
    And ours took it at least 2 times

    Well, you don't even have to comment here .. TWO. Why second? And then, what they took, they blew everything up there, but as soon as they left, the "spirits" again climbed into those caves from the vicinity. There is a guerrilla war going on in Afghanistan, and the task of total extermination of the entire Afghan people is simply not set there (if they want, they will set it too). America in Afghanistan only controls the drug traffic to Russia. They only control the areas they want. As the USSR did, however.
    1. max702
      max702 4 September 2013 00: 26
      +2
      Exactly ! All these undefeated Afghans. Vietnam, Chechnya and other unnecessary conflicts were not brought to an end for one simple reason, the big uncles didn’t need it, they had other tasks there, and so any problem is solved at once! Speak a torus of a bora ... well, so there would be a tactical nuclear munition there and dealing with the end didn’t climb radioactive stones, but they’re embarrassed of one and the other hemorrhoid targets, there’s nothing vital in Afghanistan, and if you add to this mass shooting of the enemy (genocide) then very soon there will simply be no one to fight.
  21. alex25
    alex25 3 September 2013 23: 35
    +1
    Quote: Kowalsky
    Quote: alex25
    in a war with a high-tech adversary a lot if and but


    And will you name at least one adversary of NATO, which today is able to stand on equal terms to resist the massive use of the WTO? Even Russia can do this only in the Moscow region, and even that is unlikely. But if to be completely meticulous, then Russia and China can be excluded from the list of enemies of NATO - in the near the future does not include war with them. So there is no nonecountries in the world capable of withstanding the coordinated application of the WTO. Which has been repeatedly proven in recent years. Those who have huge reserves of the WTO (NATO countries) simply do not have equal strength opponents. Yes, they may object to me, that, they say, after the war in Libya, the Europeans shot everything and then cried to Uncle Sam. So, if necessary, America will certainly throw the WTO as much as necessary (by the way, IMHO, this is one of the leashes for Europe - do you want expensive high-precision tsatskas for the next neocolonial war? Behave well, the good uncle will throw).


    Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq, Syria, Vietnam and many more countries. Do not confuse God's gift with fried eggs. Precision weapons are one of the phases in the operation. Its effect is too public, in fact, not everything is so beautiful.
    For example, companies against Iraq in '91, the United States did not achieve their goals, and the use of precision weapons showed effectiveness in civilian infrastructure. For military purposes, they bombed a bunch of dummies, Yugoslavia likewise, in Libya too.
  22. alex25
    alex25 3 September 2013 23: 44
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    In general, I am not against high-precision weapons, this is one of the essential elements of modern warfare. But damn it, "touches" the naivety of people who have seen enough of American films :)
  23. alex25
    alex25 3 September 2013 23: 49
    +1
    Quote: Kowalsky
    Quote: alex25
    And ours took it at least 2 times

    Well, you don't even have to comment here .. TWO. Why second? And then, what they took, they blew everything up there, but as soon as they left, the "spirits" again climbed into those caves from the vicinity. There is a guerrilla war going on in Afghanistan, and the task of total extermination of the entire Afghan people is simply not set there (if they want, they will set it too). America in Afghanistan only controls the drug traffic to Russia. They only control the areas they want. As the USSR did, however.


    The Americans in Afghanistan, to a large extent, control their bases, and failures happen there :)
  24. Shturmovik
    Shturmovik 3 September 2013 23: 50
    +1
    The Russian Air Force managed to lose five aircraft (of which two or three seem to have been shot down by their own).

    enlighten and what kind of aircraft and how much was specifically shot down by
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 4 September 2013 00: 02
      +6
      Su-25BM 368th Assault Aviation Regiment Pilot Lt. Col. Terebunsky. They shot down their own.
      Su-25SM 368th assault air regiment Pilot Colonel Kobylash. The damaged plane was finished off by Ossetians.
      Su-25BM 368th assault air regiment Pilot Major Edamenko died. Shot down ZSU, covering the Guftinsky bridge.
      Su-24M, 968th Research and Instructor Mixed Aviation Regiment. Downed by Russian military unit. MANPADS.
  25. shurup
    shurup 4 September 2013 00: 22
    +1
    The infantry armed exclusively with sniper rifles is well jammed from afar with ammunition of a voluminous explosion, and when you try to get closer, it is to rain with uncontrollable bullets.
  26. Kowalsky
    Kowalsky 4 September 2013 01: 45
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    Quote: alex25
    Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq, Syria, Vietnam

    How did they oppose? Air defense suppressed, factories and power plants bombed, NATO losses are minimal. The WTO is not publicized; it is just a new stage in the development of military technologies. Otherwise, it turns out that military experts all over the world are round *** who believed in beautiful cinema and began to re-arm themselves with all kinds of "smart" bombs. Another of the stages, as you say, was electronic suppression of everything that can only be suppressed. And only NATO countries have this kind of weapon (I mean in sufficient quantities at a high level of development). So for now, unfortunately or fortunately, Russia and its allies can only pray to the Nuclear God. Here we are not talking about the preponderance of one of the sides, as Uncle Sam is not puffed up.
  27. Sirs
    Sirs 4 September 2013 03: 22
    0
    Give us, finally, A C U B, a really working ASUV.
  28. Backfire
    Backfire 4 September 2013 05: 18
    +2
    Good article. Integrated and reasoned.
    Especially the conclusions of the war 08.08.08

    God forbid, not in terms of gloating, but the fact that the Russian army was completely behind was evident from the results of this particular war. And this is against a weak adversary.

    But the most important thing is not even what they saw, but what they did not see. They didn’t see: precision weapons, modern communications, contactless war in a word.

    Devastation, it is primarily in the minds. If instead of caring for school education, educating young people, re-equipping the army, money is tricked into the Olympics and Championships, then what can we talk about?
    More was spent on the Olympic Games in Sochi than on FOUR PREVIOUS OLYMPIADS TOGETHER TOGETHER!
    These are kickbacks, I understand, it’s impossible to think with anything else.

    But the Alfa Sterkh pension fund has more than 40 lard greens.
    The experience of Kuwait and Libya has already shown - the loot will not protect.
  29. Backfire
    Backfire 4 September 2013 06: 02
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    Quote: Santor
    to see so many idiots, gay perverts, pronounced downs, gathered together can only be in the American army ...


    And you understand that that "human material" is a cat. was in the Sov. Is the army as a rank and file an indicator of completely misuse of manpower? Their army shouldn't be at all!
    I mean "students", just literate guys. At least as privates and sergeants.

    Their place is learning, creating, including weapons. Train those who will train ordinary officers who will already teach soldiers. At least produce the same planes, ships, missiles.
    The best of them should nourish the elite of society.
    From them, whose psyche is not disturbed by war, children should appear.
    Gopots and "detachment" there is always someone to produce. By the way, in the war they belong!

    In war, not even armies fight, but states, as systems.
    In modern conditions, a soldier must be a discarded "material" that is not capable of learning, for something more than being a soldier, i.e. a simple screw, a consumable.
    A soldier is one who, if it were not for the army with a probability of 30 percent, would have gone to the zone, out of stupidity, or would have been a carrier, a loader for all his life, he would put down sleepers or fell down the forest, etc. no further.

    I once read why during the Second World War the workers (Soviet) had a "reservation". It turns out, even at that time, it was longer and more expensive to train a qualified locksmith than a fighter pilot!
    And America could not then establish the release of the British Rolls-Royce aircraft engines.
    Qualification Amer. workers turned out to be inadequate!
    It sounds paradoxical, but even then 60 years ago, at that level of development, Uncle Vasya, a turner in an oiled robe and with a "chakushka" in his pocket, was more valuable to the state than a young, handsome fighter pilot. What can we say about the infantryman.

    The contingent must fall into the soldiers, for which learning how to handle an assault rifle and using a walkie-talkie should be worth the same mental effort, first of all, as for the other to master sopromat and higher. math.

    Once again, I have no arrogance towards those whom I have "identified" as soldiers.
    If it's hard to understand, you can imagine yourself in a computer game. Where do you build your state.
    Think about how you would dispose of "human material"?
    Time lost in youth, then it is IMPOSSIBLE to make up, NEVER, ANY FORCE!
    Really a guy with brains Sergei Brin, you would have sent two years to peel potatoes and the general to build a dacha. Oh, yes, also "study" the Kalashnikov assault rifle and how to "board" beds.
  30. Ferocious Bambra
    Ferocious Bambra 4 September 2013 06: 36
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    Quote: Arti
    I believe that the successful use of the WTO depends on the technological lag of the opponent.

    And what do you think will happen on the battlefield if the enemy’s Radio-Optical-Electronic warfare can exceed the level of the WTO.

    Recently there was an article, _http: //www.xakep.ru/post/60998/default.asp

    The principle of combating the WTO is described very well there, electronic warfare equipment can replace a signal from satellites and reject the trajectory, possibly even on the heads of the Hi-tech military.

    The superiority of the United States in the air is obvious only for a poorly developed air defense system, while air defense means are clearly developing faster than the ability to evade them.

    All this makes the WTO an expensive toy, capable of delivering unpunished attacks on civilians and cavemen with minimal losses. And the effectiveness of the use of the WTO drops sharply in the fight against equal, and even more so will give few advantages in the fight against an enemy superior in terms of technology.

    I believe that Russia should focus on electronic warfare, air defense, real-time troop command and control and airspace control. Whatever one may say, it is much more pleasant to fight off the enemy's strike than to live out hours with a manic thought - "Well, hell, we will die, but we will fill them up"
    And if the parties use nuclear weapons, the production of the WTO may not be possible at all, and the parties will return to conventional ammunition and weapons ....
  31. lotar
    lotar 4 September 2013 07: 49
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    I almost completely agree with the author of this article, only in my opinion it is too early to send the so-called "stupid" weapon to a landfill or disposal, this weapon has not yet shown its full potential. Yes, and there are alternative options for its use that can bring no small benefit, starting from the sale it to other countries and ending with its application where it is not expected.
  32. TrachTour
    TrachTour 4 September 2013 09: 01
    -1
    Scarecrows about the WTO can be sawn by nalopopam. You still need to fly 25 km, and this is guaranteed to be possible only under the condition of an unexpected attack. And even then not always. It all depends on the state of combat readiness of the Armed Forces, as well as technical security. WTO and conventional weapons - an interesting inequality arises: the cost of a bomb, its attachment, aircraft attachment, training of a pilot and / or ground personnel, technical support and escort systems, combat losses of personnel and equipment, one can estimate a number of factors for both parts of the inequality, so think dear sheepskin and dressing. After all, any rattling of rustic beetles rests primarily on Her Majesty the Economy. Yes, and in Iraq, Libya, that there were more - WTO bombs or missiles, and those seem to have a guarantor expiring. So they decided to joke with rusticators, not to cut the good with gas cutters. The combat effectiveness of the use of WTO against a technically equipped enemy has not really been determined. Do not consider the use in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan as real effective. So the WTO is good in short-term conflicts and against a technically weak adversary, otherwise you can stay without trousers and go to peace. Of course, it’s a bit hard to scatter after the activities of LLC “EBN, Smerdyukov and Co”, but the cart seems to be already harnessed and the cart began to move. Let's see how the Yankees will turn out in Syria. You look kos even in Yankesia there are barracks, and not only in Russei. And horror stories-scarecrows of ethno All from blue nightingales repainted from shaved parrots. Miles sorry dear for some confusion.
  33. TrachTour
    TrachTour 4 September 2013 10: 18
    -1
    At the expense of the soldiers. I will paraphrase Kozma Prutkov or someone else: Every vegetable has its place. Vasya from Uralmash, who turns the nuts very well, is hard to put at the control panel, and it is a pity to send the egg-head to the construction battalion. Although both are needed. You won't fill the Army with officers and warrant officers - there won't be enough people and schools. One of the problems of the Army is humiliation or humiliation. To see DMB and Soldiers - on the one hand, giggle-hakhanka, and on the other hand, insult and humiliation of the Army (a smart one will think of it, but the law is not written for a fool). In principle, blue nightingales and shaved (from the word - Brit) parrots singing rehash of Ingliz and Yankes vultures blurt out this and similar crap. (Eh-ma, how would they roll their beaks somewhere in the direction of the rotten west, or break their mouths, as Leonov used to say in Gentlemen of Fortune). Ysho question to the author: Will the kito "reject" the material ??? !!! And vaasche ne is necessary to bring theoretical delights into the question of skewing. As Marshak or someone else wrote: All kinds of people are important, all kinds of people are needed. By the way, stupid people, geeks, etc. even in the airborne forces are not needed. Although they break bricks on their heads, I hope you don't count them and so on, as well as the Shaolin monks. He himself trampled his boots in the valiant ranks of which he is still proud, although a helluva lot of time has passed since then. So no need to re-sing other people's voices, but it stinks a lot. However, there is a lack of Russei Duce, Adolf Vissarionovich Pinochet Franco