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New Ukrainian army - the goal is real and cost-effective

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Of course, such a generally accepted and massive for many state institutions concept as a vacation period in the Armed Forces has its own logic and specificity - the military craft of the holidays does not recognize, therefore the combat training of troops continues without amendments for resort or some other seasons. In the planned or, as they say in the army, units and services are working normally, during combat duty they take care of reliable covering of important state facilities, thousands of servicemen are preparing for the final exercises on the scale of all the Armed Forces. And all this, so to speak, on the march, in the framework of the initiated reforms in the Ukrainian army.


About the plans and tasks of the Armed Forces in the near and distant future, says Minister of Defense of Ukraine Pavel Lebedev.

- Pavel Valentinovich, at the end of May the Government approved the draft State Integrated Program for the reform and development of the Armed Forces of Ukraine up to 2017. Due to the fact that the implementation of several similar programs in previous years, frankly, failed, how realistic are the main components of it?

- The state comprehensive program of reforming and developing the Armed Forces of Ukraine before 2017 is the result of the hard work of military experts who have studied the best experience of countries whose armed forces have already gone through reforming. Its development took into account the development trends of modern warfare and our rich accumulated over 20 years experience in participating in international peacekeeping and security operations.

The principal difference of the State Integrated Program from previous similar documents is the reliance on the real financial capabilities of the state and more effective management of defense resources. In general, the implementation of the planned activities provided 131,7 billion hryvnia. I am sure that these are realistic numbers to create the Armed Forces of the new model: optimal in size, well equipped, well-trained, fully equipped and staffed with professionals who are able to quickly respond to real and potential threats to national security in the military sphere and are able to participate in international events on peace and security.
Today we continue to create conditions for the recruitment of the army exclusively by contract servicemen, and this process continues successfully. At the same time, measures are being taken to restore the combat effectiveness of the main systems of armaments and military equipment, the liberation of the Armed Forces from performing non-core functions and the alienation of excess military equipment. Considerable efforts are aimed at continuing to increase the intensity of the combat training of the Armed Forces and equip them with modern weapons and military equipment. Has already been taken into service modernized MiG - 29MU, L- 39M1, radar "Malachite" radar station, modernized Mi - 24PU1, BTR - 4E, BTR - 70Di, automatic cannon ZTM1, precision artillery shell "Flower Garden".

At the same time, we do not forget about the social protection of military personnel. Intensive work is being carried out in this direction, and we already have positive changes, in particular, in increasing the allowances of servicemen and providing them with housing. We will also provide social protection for those who leave military service in connection with the reform.

- But with all the desire, the state now cannot fully finance all the needs of the defense ministry. How in the current situation to embark on such a large-scale reform of the Ukrainian army? By the means of our new army?

- National interests are always decisive in the adoption of a government decision aimed at the realization of the objectives of the State comprehensive program of reforming the Armed Forces. However, no country can provide them without reliable resource support. Today there is a clear understanding of the importance of this at the highest state level. I want to emphasize once again that we have a certain resource in the amount of 131,7 billion hryvnia. This financial indicator has been agreed at the interdepartmental level with all state structures involved in the performance of state defense tasks.

Our main task is to ensure the efficient use of funds allocated for the reform of the Armed Forces. In this context, the professionalization of the Armed Forces is an objective necessity both from a military and from an economic point of view, because contract service, among other things, allows not to spray funds on the initial training of conscripts, but to focus them on increasing the intensity of combat training and the individual ability of professional military personnel. The situation when soldiers study for six months and prepare for release for six months will remain in the past. For comparison: the combat potential inherent, say, in tank, used by conscripts by 25-30%, and by contractors - by 75-80%. It also helps to extend the life cycle of weapons and military equipment. Contract servicemen more effectively use military equipment and weaponConsequently, the frequency of repairs, the time and its cost are reduced. In short, a new, contract army is a real, economically beneficial and achievable goal.

- What problems do the defense minister have to deal with now?

- One of the issues on which the attention of the leadership of the Ministry of Defense is focused today is to provide conditions for increasing the motivation of the best young people for military service under contract. A number of events are currently underway, which should give a tangible effect in the near future. First of all, this is a doubling of the cash support for the military personnel of the Navy, the Air Force, the High-Mobile Airborne Troops and the Special Forces. This will allow this autumn not to carry out the call of conscripts to the Navy and Airborne Forces.

At the same time, it is impossible to raise the cash security for servicemen of other types, types of troops (forces), so it was decided to gradually increase cash security by 20% every quarter starting from April 1 of this year through July 1 next. As a result, the salary of servicemen should double. The current fund of cash security is 6654,2 million hryvnia, which will allow you to pay a cash allowance, taking into account the planned increase in full. Thus, as early as October of this year, the commander of the Ground Forces Brigade will receive about 5700 UAH, the battalion commander - 5000, the company commander - 4500 hryvnia, the platoon commander - more than 3300 hryvnia.

I want to emphasize that the range of measures to increase motivation is not limited to an increase in cash security. It is also planned to improve the social package for military personnel under the contract, which includes receiving free higher education, the right to choose a place of military service at the conclusion of the first contract, proper conditions for service and rest (the prescribed length of service time, five-day working week, free movement on the territory of Ukraine). weekends, holidays and non-working days), housing provision, etc.

- The question of questions is housing ...

- At the beginning of the year, there were thousands of families in the Armed Forces registered in the Armed Forces, of whom thousands were dismissed from service by 44,5. In an effort to comprehensively resolve this issue, we have already conducted an audit of the unfinished construction of the Ministry of Defense since 12,4. An inventory and certification of 2007 housing construction projects for the military has been carried out. All of them are divided into four categories. The first one includes those who are ready for 168-80% and will continue to be completed with budget funds. In particular, we are talking about 90 objects on 9 apartments, as quickly as possible you can complete and put into operation. More than two dozen objects will be completed with the help of investors, and objects with a low degree of readiness, but in attractive territories, will be transferred to private investors with the definition of the proportion of apartments of the Ministry of Defense.

2013 provides funding for the construction of 153 apartments for military personnel. The President of Ukraine, the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, personally controls the construction of housing for military personnel.

How are we going to act? First, an inventory of military property was carried out, including real estate and the land on which the military camps and bases liberated today are located. It is planned to get rid of such towns and excess, unusable property. We are talking about 429 completely liberated military camps from about 7,5 thousands of buildings and structures on land plots with a total area of ​​more than 35,9 thousand hectares. Another 214 towns will be released in the process of reforming the APU. Such an opportunity was obtained after determining the procedure for the alienation of land plots released in the process of reforming the Supreme Court of Ukraine and the State Special Transport Service, approved by the government in May of this year.

In total, over the next 3-5 years we plan to receive UAH billion from the sale of real estate from 6 to 9. The funds will be used to build housing and solve the social problems of servicemen. In addition, we hope to allocate an additional resource for housing construction in the amount of 300 mln. UAH, which will allow to complete the construction and put into operation 1518 apartments with a total area of ​​100,5 thousand square meters. Tens of thousands of items of other surplus property, including more than 30 thousands of weapons and military equipment, will be sold through a system of open and public auctions, and the proceeds will be used to build housing for military personnel and solve other social problems.

Secondly, in order to replenish the housing stock, we are actively rebuilding buildings for housing that are not used in the daily activities of the troops. For the reconstruction of this year it is planned to increase allocations for 100 mln. Over the years of independence, almost 87,5 thousand apartments for the military have been built - about 4 thousands of apartments every year at the best of times. We plan to build a record number of housing before 2017 - more than 25 thousand apartments in 4 of the year. This is when the budget of the Ministry of Defense 12 mln. UAH is planned for this year. for the purchase of housing, which will be approximately 60 apartments. Strengthened work to eliminate abuse, check the list of "waiting list", after which it will publish on the site department. Anyone on the site can track the progress of the queue for housing.

- People say: big money begets more corruption. Unfortunately, in this regard, there is no exception and the agency that you headed 8 months ago. How to deal with such evil in a specific military environment?

- Corruption is the main destabilizing factor of reforms in the Armed Forces. Therefore, we began our activities with the elaboration of an Action Plan to Prevent and Combat Corruption in the 2013 year, which became the foundation for work in this direction. The lists of objects of control and controlled entities (with distribution by risk levels), List of risk violations of financial and budgetary discipline, typical mistakes and risk areas when making management decisions, etc. were worked out. These documents made it possible to clearly formulate the tasks assigned to the permanently operating anti-corruption mobile group of the Ministry of Defense, created in March, which is vested with the authority and resources to promptly respond and investigate schemes and actions with signs of corruption. The team leader reports directly to the Minister of Defense. In addition, interdepartmental cooperation has been improved, on our initiative, a joint commission with the General Prosecutor’s Office has been created for cooperation and exchange of operational information.

As part of this work, according to operational data, during January - June of this year, the Department of Internal Control and Financial Audit of the Ministry of Defense conducted 567 audits, according to the results of which 293 persons were disciplined, 12 people were dismissed from their positions. Revealed violations of fiscal and economic discipline, which led to losses in the amount of 134 400 000 UAH. (this is twice as much as in the first half of last year). At the same time, 20200000 UAH was reimbursed, (last year - 9,9 million), 88 audits were transferred to law enforcement agencies for the sum of losses and losses over 122 million UAH. Prevented or eliminated other violations of financial discipline in the amount of 218 800 000 UAH. These figures convincingly show that the fight against corruption effectively preserves a significant resource for reforming the Armed Forces.

- When planning to re-equip the army, how much can one count on the traditionally high-tech (admittedly, it is said to be in the past) domestic military-industrial complex?

- The domestic defense industry has retained a huge scientific potential. Our missiles hit the target, and do not fall at the start, our Oplot tanks are among the best in the world, and we have considerable opportunities to repair or upgrade weapons and equipment models. In addition, more than 160 enterprises of the state concern Ukroboronprom have sufficient resources and qualified specialists to maintain the position of Ukraine in the top five countries-exporters of arms.

The improvement of our weapons and military equipment continues. Significant progress was achieved on the path of modernization and creation of new types of small arms, as well as new systems for absorbing sound and fire when fired, new personal protective equipment for servicemen. Already there are modern systems of sound localization of the shot to identify enemy snipers and artillery installations, a new artillery shell "Flower Garden", new systems of destruction of armored targets, modern thermal sights, etc. I do not envy anyone who decides to try for himself the possibilities of such a "weakened" military industrial complex.

- If possible, tell us about specific immediate plans for each type of APU, especially the Air Force and fleet.

- With the right choice of financial priorities, we will ensure the readiness to act aviation squadrons of Su-27, MiG-29 and Su-25 aircraft of the Air Force, pairs and aviation units of the Ground Forces. Currently, the main part of the fleet of combat aircraft of fighter and assault aircraft, combat training aircraft MiG-29, Su-25, Su-27, L-39, helicopters Mi-24, Mi-8MT, anti-aircraft missile systems of the Air Force and anti-aircraft defense of the Ground Forces. Modernization with the subsequent restoration of the technical resource of artillery weapons (MLRS BM -21 "Grad", SG 2S-1 "Gvozdika") is underway, the technical condition of existing warships and boats is being restored. By 2017, it is planned to enter into the Navy the first of a series of four new Russian-made Project 58250 warships - the corvette Vladimir the Great, as well as ten armored boats of the Gyurza type. Also, work continues on the project of an operational - tactical missile system and on the creation of a new An-70 transport aircraft. Today, state tests are being completed, the aircraft has already performed more than 650 flights, after which the An - 70 will be adopted by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

The planned acquisition of modern weapons and military equipment to equip the forces of special operations, including foreign production. Regarding the technical re-equipment of the Armed Forces command and control system, it is planned to develop and put into operation the basic basic elements of the Unified Automated Control System and artillery units, translate the stationary component of the communication system and separate connections Armed Forces on the latest digital communications.

In the future, it is planned to carry out planned measures to maintain the health and technical suitability of weapons and military equipment that cannot be removed from service in the next ten years, and to complete the work on extending the shelf life of ammunition. This will allow for a long-term perspective to ensure the combat effectiveness of weapons and military equipment and to have in the Armed Forces of Ukraine technically serviceable up to 100% of their samples.



- Ukraine is a non-aligned state. Moreover, our warriors are actively involved in international military cooperation events, take part in many international exercises of the COMBINED ENDEAVOR, VIKING, LOGEX, Sea Breeze, Rapid Trident series and others. What do our warriors look like against the background of modern foreign armies?

- Ukraine actively participates in the activities of leading international and regional security organizations. Therefore, it is logical to attract the Armed Forces of Ukraine to international peacekeeping and security operations under the leadership of the UN, NATO and the EU. Today, in various parts of the planet 668, our servicemen are performing tasks of maintaining peace and security in such operations and missions. The active position of Ukraine in the field of regional security and stability is evidence of its interest in deepening practical cooperation with international and regional security organizations, which in turn contributes not only to improve the image of the state, but also has a positive impact on the transformation processes in the security and defense sector. Professional assistance that we receive from NATO and EU member countries in engaging in international peacekeeping and security operations, as well as in multinational exercises aimed at achieving compatibility of the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the relevant structures of the allies. Considering the course towards the European integration of our state, the development of such cooperation is important.

The activity of Ukraine as a peacemaker state began in 1992 from the first mission of our peacekeeping contingent as part of the UN peacekeeping forces in conflict zones in the territory of the former Yugoslavia. Since then, about 39 thousands of soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have gained experience of participating in international peacekeeping and security operations under the leadership of the UN, NATO and the EU, and regional security structures. Many of them have been repeatedly rewarded with foreign awards for their courage and courage. The recognition of the success of operations with the participation of Ukrainian peacekeepers is a steady increase in the authority of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the international arena. At the same time, despite official invitations from the UN and NATO in accordance with the current legislation of Ukraine, the Ministry of Defense is working on the issues of expanding the participation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in peacekeeping and security operations. We are talking about the additional involvement of 93 military personnel, four Mi-8 helicopters and 14 units of automotive (special) equipment in the United Nations Mission to Stabilize the Situation in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. The issue of attracting a part of 56 is also being worked out. a separate helicopter unit of the United Nations Mission in Liberia (40 military personnel and 3 Mi-24 helicopter) to perform tasks as part of the UN operation in Cote d'Ivoire. Later, namely in July 2014, a separate helicopter unit of up to 150 people is planned to be sent to this mission. Also on 2014 year, it is planned to send two officers to the Slovak contingent of the UN peacekeeping force in Cyprus and 20 to the integrated multidisciplinary UN mission in Mali.

This year and for the next year it is planned to attract a frigate “Getman Sahaidachny” with a Ka-27 helicopter and a survey group in the NATO operation Ocean Shield and under the leadership of the EU Atalanta. At the same time, the total number of our troops in the International Security Assistance Force in the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan will be increased to 60 troops. Of course, participation in international military cooperation events and peacemaking is a test or even a test for the domestic Armed Forces, a test of their training and psychological stability. At the same time, participation in international peacekeeping and security operations is a kind of military academy, because the knowledge and experience gained during participation in them is invaluable for the professional development of the Ukrainian army.

DOSSIER "Government Courier". Pavel Lebedev. Born in 1962 in the Krasnodar Territory. From 1984, after graduating from the Yaroslavl Higher Military School of Finance, he served in the Chernivtsi garrison as chief of financial services of a battalion, regiment, deputy chief of financial services of a division. From 1993, he headed the association “Target”, Legtech LLC, Prestige-Inter OJSC, from 1994 - deputy of the Chernivtsi City Council. At the turn of the century, he was the financial director of SJSC "Titan" in the Crimea, later headed the supervisory boards of the Kremenchug Steel Foundry OJSC and Dneprovagonmash OJSC, and was the president of the Industrial Transport Investment Group "Inter Car Group". In 2006 - 2012 - President of the Foundation for Social and Economic Development of Sevastopol, people's deputy of Ukraine of the 5th, 6th and 7th convocations. Honored Economist of Ukraine, participant in the liquidation of the consequences of the Chernobyl accident. Married, father of five daughters. In December, 2012 was appointed Minister of Defense of Ukraine by decree of the President of Ukraine - Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych.
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  1. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 3 September 2013 07: 36 New
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    How many tanks will participate in the offensive? - Both!
    Will aviation support us? - Not. The pilot got sick.
    Even the hairpin of Russia regarding the missiles falling at the start will not hide the simple fact that the Ukrainian army is in a deep crisis, as, indeed, the Ukrainian defense industry, and the country as a whole ...
    1. krasin
      krasin 3 September 2013 07: 47 New
      +2
      Corruption is the main destabilizing factor in reforming the Armed Forces.

      Everywhere the same problems! We could not cope with this problem, let's see what you have?
      The domestic defense industry has retained enormous scientific potential. Our missiles hit the target, not fall at the start, our Oplot tanks are among the best in the world.

      Then you bit 1: 0 For the sick hit.

      Well, is hryvnia enough for all things ??
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 3 September 2013 11: 59 New
        +2
        Quote: krasin
        Then you bit 1: 0 For the sick hit.

        Of course, missiles that do not fly cannot fall, where are they "bitten"?
    2. tttttt
      tttttt 3 September 2013 08: 35 New
      +8
      If those 2000 tanks that the amers require to cut for 1 million green candy wrappers really saw, then there will be both.
    3. domokl
      domokl 3 September 2013 08: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: serge-68-68
      How many tanks will participate in the offensive? - Both!
      Will aviation support us? - Not. The pilot got sick.

      Fu ... you read bad laughing The Minister clearly said that a frigate would be participating somewhere. And not just a frigate, but also with a helicopter. And about super special forces too ... He’s so secret in Ukraine that he’s called a survey group. They don’t give weapons and only land in battle release ... Beasts in one word.
  2. Orel
    Orel 3 September 2013 07: 40 New
    0
    Why does Ukraine need an army? If they join the EU, they can live just like the rest of the "new Europeans" with virtually no army. May their "old Europe" provide. Maybe it's for the best even. While this principle has been observed almost everywhere, the only exception is perhaps Poland, but this is a separate conversation, she constantly sees Russian aggression ...
    1. nokki
      nokki 3 September 2013 11: 03 New
      +2
      Ukraine, of course, may be left without an army. But we must remember that NATO troops will take its place. And this for Russia is tantamount to a pistol attached to her temple!
      1. washi
        washi 3 September 2013 11: 13 New
        +1
        Quote: nokki
        Ukraine, of course, may be left without an army. But we must remember that NATO troops will take its place. And this for Russia is tantamount to a pistol attached to her temple!

        What's the point? What if someone remembers the occupation?
      2. xan
        xan 3 September 2013 12: 26 New
        -1
        Quote: nokki
        Ukraine, of course, may be left without an army. But we must remember that NATO troops will take its place. And this for Russia is tantamount to a pistol attached to her temple!

        What, scared, poor fellow?
        NATO members stationed in Ukraine are hostages.
    2. washi
      washi 3 September 2013 11: 12 New
      +1
      Pavel Lebedev. Born in 1962 in the Krasnodar Territory. Since 1984, after graduating from the Yaroslavl Higher Military Financial School, he served in the Chernivtsi garrison as head of the financial service of a battalion, regiment, deputy head of the financial service of the division. Since 1993, he headed the association "Goal", LLC "Legteh", OJSC "Prestige -Inter", since 1994 - deputy of the Chernivtsi City Council. At the turn of the century, he was CFO of Titan State Joint-Stock Company in the Crimea, subsequently headed the supervisory boards of Kremenchug Steel Plant OJSC and Dneprovagonmash OJSC, and was president of the Inter Car Group industrial and investment transport engineering group.
      Why do financiers need an army?
    3. Corsair
      Corsair 3 September 2013 13: 28 New
      -3
      Quote: Orel
      Why does Ukraine need an army? If they join the EU, they can live just like the rest of the "new Europeans" with virtually no army.

      "New Europeans" Poland and Romania have (each!) Military potential superior to that of Ukrainian ...
      1. Kars
        Kars 3 September 2013 13: 40 New
        +1
        Quote: Corsair
        "New Europeans" Poland and Romania have (each!) Military potential superior to that of Ukrainian ...

        Well, why do you need to know the bad part?


        http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 3 September 2013 15: 06 New
          +1
          Quote: Kars
          Well, why do you need to know the bad part?

          Your statement reminded me of a "poorly honed Russian" of illiterate guest workers from Middle Asia.
          Having nothing against them, I note that a Ukrainian (I understand who studied Russian in the USSR) is UNAXCEPTABLE TO distort language ...

          And now on the merits of your remark:
          Compare the military budgets of Poland, Romania and Ukraine.
          And then it is quite possible, you will still find significant differences (in particular, in the Romanian fleet).

          P / S: If you want, you can find the “Infu" yourself (mine, as a rule, you still don’t like laughing )
  3. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 3 September 2013 08: 02 New
    +7
    Joining the EEC will delay joining NATO, the transition to NATO standards. Old weapons to landfill, to new, NATO standards, no money, loans, collapse of military science and industry ... Aw, where are you, the army of Ukraine ???
    1. queen
      queen 3 September 2013 08: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: Michael m
      Aw, where are you, the army of Ukraine ???

      It’s difficult to speak throughout Ukraine, but banderlogs will, as always, guerrilla in the forests (already with navigation) and live in dugouts (with euro repair)
    2. aspirin02
      aspirin02 3 September 2013 14: 18 New
      +3
      Why immediately to NATO ??? There are many European countries that are not members of the alliance)) Despite the fact that the doctrine of Ukraine clearly states that Ukraine is an Atibloc state!
  4. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 3 September 2013 08: 18 New
    +1
    So it’s not tossing and dropping the bags, he has scribbled and on a pedestal.

    Three ways in a person to act reasonably: first, most noble, - thinking; second, easiest - imitation; the third, the most bitter, is experience.
  5. domokl
    domokl 3 September 2013 08: 39 New
    +2
    discard the water and get -kirdyk of the Ukrainian army. They will build by the type of the Baltic states. Something similar to the army.
    But there is already envy. The Navy will participate in something there as a whole frigate, and even with a helicopter ... What about Russia. And about the survey group in general ... This is probably the tipra of our special forces-building battalion. They also don’t give weapons, so cool.
  6. UFO
    UFO 3 September 2013 08: 52 New
    +3
    Crap is full. "All the slops in one bucket are drained and mixed with a stick"
    "Our rich experience accumulated over" 20 years "- belay laughing crying
  7. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 3 September 2013 09: 13 New
    +3
    Minister of Defense of Ukraine (former quartermaster ...))) That says a lot))) Like our heart! (I hope that I will be wrong but ...)))
  8. ZeroFact
    ZeroFact 3 September 2013 09: 13 New
    +3
    We read: "Pavel Lebedev graduated from the Yaroslavl Higher Military Financial School, served as head of the financial service of the battalion, regiment, deputy head of the financial service of the division. Next," Goal ", LLC" Legteh ", OJSC" Prestige -Inter ", financial director of State Joint Stock Company" Titan ". He says: "Corruption is the main destabilizing factor in reforming the Armed Forces (and hereinafter).
    Certain conclusions suggest themselves.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 3 September 2013 10: 25 New
      +3
      Quote: ZeroFact
      served as the chief of the financial service of the battalion, regiment, deputy chief of the financial service of the division. Further, “Target”, LLC “Legteh”, OJSC “Prestige-Inter”, financial director of the State Joint-Stock Company “Titan”.

      That's it! Economic benefit is our everything! And how is it achieved?

      "The Chairperson of the Committee of Soldiers' Mothers of Sevastopol, Nadezhda Savitskaya, in a conversation with Today, described the situation with the provision of military personnel as flagrant:" They don’t give out uniforms at all. Contractors practically provide themselves with 100%. The mother of a guy who serves on the fleet under the contract said that the son in three months received only shoes, trousers and a tie, but he cannot walk only in this - that’s why he bought everything else for himself. The authorities think so: since he receives a salary of at least 3000 hryvnia, he must buy ...! Be the shape And some of the things he has to buy the necessary, and some - optional If it's hot - buy or do not complain dressed and shod in the army has nothing to many it has not even complain, understand that will not change anything. "
      According to Nadezhda Yuryevna, there are no lightweight or “summer” form options. The “work” uniform is “berets” and camouflage, the “front” uniform is boots and a short-sleeved shirt: “And in the winter the guys go in short jackets because their overcoats were canceled, and they freeze everything that is possible. On the contrary, in summer: everyone goes warm and, accordingly, we have problems with overheating and thermal shock. ”
      According to the Ministry of Defense, for example, Navy conscripts are given a new uniform twice a year. One set is designed for six months and consists of camouflage, berets, vest and headgear. In winter - warmed pea jackets and a winter hat. The “contractors” to this list are additionally given the uniform of the marine corps with a shirt, trousers and a winter jacket. But the form is not the only one of the urgent problems of the “contractors”.
      “They have to serve them day after day - due to a shortage of conscripts. At civilian enterprises, it is paid overtime, and in the army no one pays anyone. In addition, the “contractors” are manipulated by the threat of losing the bonus, which can reach up to half of the monthly income. I have a lot of complaints from “contractors” who because of this want to break their agreements with the army, ”said Nadezhda Savitskaya.
      http://yes.cn.ua/news_ua/51182-ukrainskie-soldaty-pokupayut-formu-za-svoy-schet-
      i-poluchayut-solnechnye-udary-iz-za-dress-koda.html
      Soon we will buy machines at our own expense! fellow
      1. biglow
        biglow 3 September 2013 17: 29 New
        +1
        Quote: Egoza
        Quote: ZeroFact
        served as the chief of the financial service of the battalion, regiment, deputy chief of the financial service of the division. Further, “Target”, LLC “Legteh”, OJSC “Prestige-Inter”, financial director of the State Joint-Stock Company “Titan”.

        That's it! Economic benefit is our everything! And how is it achieved?

        "The Chairperson of the Committee of Soldiers' Mothers of Sevastopol, Nadezhda Savitskaya, in a conversation with Today, described the situation with the provision of military uniforms as flagrant:" They don’t give out uniforms at all. The contractors are almost 100% self-sufficient. fellow

        I can please you, conscripts also buy part of the form for themselves, there are no sizes in the warehouse and everything is in the store ....
  9. gladiatorakz
    gladiatorakz 3 September 2013 10: 00 New
    +2
    There is movement. The main thing is not to stop the process. Sabaki let bark, but the caravan must go. Well, I didn’t like one thing, millions were stolen, but I can’t hear about criminal cases. Disciplinary and layoffs. And the rest: do not give up, fight.
    1. Luger
      Luger 3 September 2013 12: 07 New
      +1
      C'mon, why do dogs bark right away? It’s so personal for me, it’ll even be joyful for Ukraine if everything works out, and the contractors, and the provision, and the money allowance, but a strange feeling eats me, I already saw all this, here in Russia I heard the same thing, even the numbers were probably like that and even before Serdyukov, who was there with us? In general, your Lebedev did not go far for experience in the contract army in Russia, and given that he is also a financier like our Taburetkin, the Ukrainian army is waiting for difficult times of reform. crying
    2. xan
      xan 3 September 2013 12: 30 New
      -3
      Quote: gladiatorakz
      There is movement. The main thing is not to stop the process. Sabaki let bark, but the caravan must go.

      clear, subtle Ukrainian humor
      just a couple of years of such a movement, and that's all - Ales Kaput
      1. gladiatorakz
        gladiatorakz 3 September 2013 14: 45 New
        0
        Quote: xan
        Quote: gladiatorakz
        There is movement. The main thing is not to stop the process. Sabaki let bark, but the caravan must go.

        clear, subtle Ukrainian humor
        just a couple of years of such a movement, and that's all - Ales Kaput

        Do you own the material? Or again do you wish for the reality? Where are the facts? Just do not need left, empty links with custom pseudo-analysts and miracle experts.
        1. xan
          xan 3 September 2013 19: 47 New
          0
          Quote: gladiatorakz
          Do you own the material? Or again do you wish for the reality? Where are the facts? Just do not need left, empty links with custom pseudo-analysts and miracle experts.

          Earlier, the Ukrainian military issued uniforms, now the military has to buy uniforms for their money. The dynamics are evident.
          What is there to prove?
  10. seller trucks
    seller trucks 3 September 2013 10: 10 New
    +1
    - State comprehensive program for the reform and development of the Armed forces of Ukraine until the 2017 year


    According to the minister, the program will be financed from the state budget, as well as through the implementation of excess property by the ministry.

    http://zn.ua/UKRAINE/na-reformirovanie-ukrainskoy-armii-uydet-pyat-let-i-131-mlr
    d-grn-123074_.html

    Yesterday, I already posted in another thread that the money for financing will be taken from the sale of "non-core" property and real estate of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, proof above. those. sale of state reserve and land (for example, in the Crimea), do I have deja vu or something like that already somewhere?
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 3 September 2013 10: 28 New
      +2
      Quote: seller trucks
      Yesterday, I already posted in another thread that the money for financing will be taken from the sale of "non-core" property and real estate of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, proof above. those. sale of state reserve and land (for example, in the Crimea), do I have deja vu or something like that already somewhere?


      So we are only in words "independent", and we copy everything from Russia !. It's like the weather. It’s cold in Moscow - and in three days the frost will begin.
      It’s only a pity that we take bad examples! there wouldn’t be a good pull!
      1. washi
        washi 3 September 2013 11: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: Egoza
        Quote: seller trucks
        Yesterday, I already posted in another thread that the money for financing will be taken from the sale of "non-core" property and real estate of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, proof above. those. sale of state reserve and land (for example, in the Crimea), do I have deja vu or something like that already somewhere?

        So we are only in words "independent", and we copy everything from Russia !. It's like the weather. It’s cold in Moscow - and in three days the frost will begin.
        It’s only a pity that we take bad examples! there wouldn’t be a good pull!

        The saddest thing: they copy the worst from both the Russian Federation and the EU.
  11. ed65b
    ed65b 3 September 2013 11: 20 New
    +2
    Our missiles hit the target, not fall at the start

    It would be better if they fell at the start and not shot down passenger planes.
    1. gladiatorakz
      gladiatorakz 3 September 2013 14: 51 New
      0
      Quote: ed65b
      Our missiles hit the target, not fall at the start

      It would be better if they fell at the start and not shot down passenger planes.

      A well-planned and conducted operation to drive a wedge between Ukraine, Russia. The disseminated media is not a proven version. Favorable for the organizers of the operation. They are the owners of the media.
  12. Vlad_Mir
    Vlad_Mir 3 September 2013 11: 26 New
    +1
    As always, everything is enchanting! I’m not sure that what is can be called an army!
  13. avg
    avg 3 September 2013 11: 50 New
    +1
    Our missiles hit the target, and not fall at the start ...

    That's for sure, they are especially good in residential buildings and civilian aircraft.
  14. serg_uhp
    serg_uhp 3 September 2013 12: 01 New
    -4
    Nachfin in the role of Minister of Defense is still cooler than a fireman or furniture maker ...
    1. avg
      avg 3 September 2013 12: 25 New
      +2
      Yes, his glorious battle path is impressive! This will be a highly effective manager!
      1. xan
        xan 3 September 2013 12: 53 New
        -2
        Quote: avg
        Yes, his glorious battle path is impressive! This will be a highly effective manager!

        and most importantly, in the current state of the Ukrainian army, when the soldiers themselves are forced to buy uniforms, he has nothing to do with it.
        rockets you see they hit the target, clowns
        1. gladiatorakz
          gladiatorakz 3 September 2013 15: 08 New
          +1
          Khan reading your comments I always think: what is more in you? stupidity or bydlya?
          1. xan
            xan 3 September 2013 19: 58 New
            0
            Quote: gladiatorakz
            Khan reading your comments I always think: what is more in you? stupidity or bydlya?

            about you, I have long decided
            when there is nothing to answer, there isn’t enough to keep silent, you are rude and become personal
            do not pay attention to my posts, the nature of your comments I know in advance
            1. gladiatorakz
              gladiatorakz 4 September 2013 12: 34 New
              +1
              Quote: xan
              Quote: gladiatorakz
              Khan reading your comments I always think: what is more in you? stupidity or bydlya?

              about you, I have long decided
              when there is nothing to answer, there isn’t enough to keep silent, you are rude and become personal
              do not pay attention to my posts, the nature of your comments I know in advance

              Calling all clowns now you complain that I turn to the individual? Really, flawed, do you consider yourself a person? Or tell me a patriot? You are the enemy of your own people. Although often such devils get paid for the bastard that they pour on the Internet. In addition to contempt, your "mask" (and not your personality) does not cause anything.
  15. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 3 September 2013 12: 20 New
    +2
    the paper suffered plans .... but how it really will be ..... big doubts gnaw at me about this
  16. berimor
    berimor 3 September 2013 12: 57 New
    +7
    I have not yet met a more numbed “army”. I admit, I do not know the Baltic armies. As a participant in the hostilities in Egypt and Syria in the distant 1970-1973. I can compare the military potential of the Arab armies and today's Ukrainian. So, in terms of training and equipment, those Arab armies (I considered them very weak at that time) are an order of magnitude stronger than the "modern" Ukrainian. I affirm this because I worked for 9 years in mobilization bodies and I understand something in this matter. For all the years of independence, the beggarly military budget has never been implemented! Air defense systems in service are long outdated. They had to be reformed, as they say, the day before yesterday! New weapons in the ground forces and, in fact, in other types of aircraft comes in such a scanty amount that it does not cover natural aging and loss! The uniform is not thought out, issued from case to case and of very poor quality! Well this is how one should hate one’s army (and I can’t find another word) so that they can mock it! The combat training is carried out somehow, but the truth is overgrown with papers, since now there are computers. The officers at all levels have long forgotten how (and, in fact, there is no one to teach him) to plan exercises, combat operations competently, they act according to the pattern. Yes, and the thoughts of today's commanders are directed, first of all, how to live up to their salaries, to get the right allowance, where to steal something that is badly lying. They no longer remember about providing apartments for dismissing officers from the army! The army is decomposed to impossible. Mobilization resources are stolen, but what remains remains is used for other purposes, most of the equipment and property of the mobilization reserve, due to illiterate storage and lack of proper care, was out of order and lost forever! In short, it seems that in Ukraine, the army, as in a children's game about the war, is a make-believe, only as a symbol of statehood and parade display. True, such an “army” will soon be embarrassing to show at the parade, well, except for young children and the Pepsi generation!
    1. aspirin02
      aspirin02 3 September 2013 14: 22 New
      +2
      I want to add that the parades are also not shown, since the 20 anniversary of independence ....
    2. gladiatorakz
      gladiatorakz 3 September 2013 15: 05 New
      +1
      Air defense systems in service are long outdated. They had to be reformed, as they say, the day before yesterday! New weapons in the ground forces and, in fact, in other types of aircraft comes in such a scanty amount that it does not cover natural aging and loss! The uniform is not thought out, issued from case to case and of very low quality!
      So what to do? There are 2 options: 1. Try to raise an army. To do this, create a development strategy. 2. Sit on the priest evenly and all the fault. And condemn any attempt to change something.
  17. xan
    xan 3 September 2013 12: 58 New
    +2
    for some reason I have the phrase “Ukrainian military” or say “Ukrainian diplomat” cause about the same emotions as, for example, “Romanian tanker” or “Mongolian pilot”
    I can not help myself, Russian pride sits deeply.
    1. vkrav
      vkrav 3 September 2013 14: 47 New
      +1
      Well, why are you like that! And they forgot about Ukrainian intelligence :)
  18. Kowalsky
    Kowalsky 3 September 2013 13: 34 New
    +3
    How much can you aim? It is necessary to achieve goals, not just set ...
  19. vkrav
    vkrav 3 September 2013 14: 31 New
    +3
    What kind of army ??? The defective manager Lebedev didn’t buy a ministerial position in order to raise an army there. He sleeps and sees the ball privatize dozens of abandoned military camps and training grounds only in the Crimea. Or exchange them for stagnant real estate set up his firms.
  20. mithridate
    mithridate 3 September 2013 14: 35 New
    +2
    beautiful words, but realities are sad. There is no political will to improve something
    1. xan
      xan 3 September 2013 20: 07 New
      +1
      Quote: Mithridates
      beautiful words, but realities are sad. There is no political will to improve something

      what the hell the will?
      first you need to earn loot, and then properly spend it
      if they can’t earn, then there’s nothing to spend.
      what the hell army when default on the nose?
  21. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 3 September 2013 14: 44 New
    +1
    How disgusting is the lack of compliance with these ... before NATO and the EU. angry
  22. Drosselmeyer
    Drosselmeyer 3 September 2013 14: 54 New
    +5
    At the end of August 2013, the state treasury of Ukraine had 10 million hryvnias (1,2 million US dollars) of reserve reserves. For a year now, state employees have not been given obligatory bonuses, and sick and vacation pay are not paid on time. Where Lebedev was going to find 131,7 billion hryvnias, I can’t imagine. So, like Lebedev, the former developer of everything and everything, the entire reform under the leadership of Lebedev will be limited to the corruption appropriation of the lands of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, especially in the Crimea.
    1. biglow
      biglow 3 September 2013 17: 31 New
      +3
      Quote: Drosselmeyer
      At the end of August 2013, the state treasury of Ukraine had 10 million hryvnias (1,2 million US dollars) of reserve reserves. For a year now, state employees have not been given obligatory bonuses, and sick and vacation pay are not paid on time. Where Lebedev was going to find 131,7 billion hryvnias, I can’t imagine. So, like Lebedev, the former developer of everything and everything, the entire reform under the leadership of Lebedev will be limited to the corruption appropriation of the lands of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, especially in the Crimea.

      But the lands of Ukraine’s Ministry of Defense are under construction, so the minister will not starve
  23. matross
    matross 3 September 2013 20: 38 New
    +2
    Yes, brothers Ukrainians, you and the Minister were not childish lol
    And most importantly, everything is so serious - it promotes the program !! The blind man can see - with him the Ukrainian army will become invincible bully
    But is he like Russian? Maybe it was the insidious hand of Moscow that you got it screwed up? wassat
  24. biglow
    biglow 3 September 2013 20: 46 New
    +1
    In Yalta there was a sanatorium MO, a large territory in the city center, this is probably the only sanatorium that died and does not work. All the land was divided, the courts go and houses are being built, with all the ministers
  25. ran nearby
    ran nearby 4 September 2013 04: 49 New
    +2
    Gentlemen, what are you talking about? For the words of our Minister of Defense? So he receives a salary for this - Schaub beautifully wobble the air.
    Honor our army for 10-15 years. For what is now called the army is nothing but a green color to the army.
    So sho, if something suddenly happens, there is no one to fight with us other than the border guards. Yes, and this is a bad thing - war. I will spit pid hog I will kill that cowboy drinks