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Viktor Chirkov: “The development of the Navy is impossible without a look into the long term”

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In an interview with the National Defense magazine, the commander-in-chief of the Russian Navy, Admiral Viktor CHIRKOV, spoke about the development prospects fleet Until 2050 year


Viktor Chirkov: “The development of the Navy is impossible without a look into the long term”

TFR "Fearless" serves in the Gulf of Aden.


The implementation of the requirements for the use of forces (troops) of the Navy, its role and place in the system of ensuring the state’s military security at the present stage and in the long term requires concentrating efforts on creating a qualitatively new fleet and technical equipment of the fleet.

- Viktor Viktorovich, what is the reason for the elaboration of views on the development of the Navy for such a long-term perspective - up to 2050? After all, there is and is operating HPV-2020.

- Fleet is a special organism. We must not forget that the Navy as a type of the Armed Forces is the most high-tech. Its development requires a well-thought shipbuilding program and continuous work of the scientific complex. Some maritime powers articulate the prospects for the development of their fleets ahead 100 years. This, in my opinion, is justified and expedient.

The goal of building and developing the Russian Navy for the period up to 2050 should be the creation of a fleet balanced in composition and combat capabilities capable, together with other types and types of troops of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, to ensure strategic nuclear and non-nuclear deterrence from aggression and protection of the national interests of the Russian Federation World ocean, military security of the country from ocean and sea directions.

Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy Admiral Viktor Chirkov.

To achieve this goal it is necessary to solve a number of tasks in the field of construction and development of the Navy.

Re-equipment of the Navy with modern (modernized) weapons, military and special equipment should be carried out, the necessary stocks should be created weapons and materiel.

Of key importance will be the development and introduction of promising models of weapons, military and special equipment, eliminating the backlog and ensuring the advance of the world's leading fleets in key areas.

A special place should be occupied by the improvement of the management system of fleet forces (troops) and its integration into the overall system of control of interspecific groupings of troops (forces) in theaters of military operations. This process is progressing well.

At a qualitatively new level, it is necessary to solve the problem of improving the system of basing and providing forces (troops) of the Navy.

The development of the Navy must be carried out as part of four fleets and the Caspian flotilla, four types of forces (troops) - submarine forces, surface forces, marine aviation, coastal troops.

Special attention should be paid to maintaining the combat potential of naval strategic nuclear forces at a given level. Their construction and development should be continued as part of the two groups of strategic nuclear submarines - the Northern and Pacific fleets.

An important direction for the development of the Navy should be the creation of general purpose naval forces grouped with long-range precision weapons capable of solving strategic non-nuclear deterrence by threatening the enemy’s critical military and economic targets, while maintaining the proper strength of the naval personnel in the Navy’s tasks. which in the future will comprise multi-functional ships of the ocean (far) and near-sea zone of the modular console ruktsii. In the future, it is necessary to ensure the creation of highly maneuverable heterogeneous shock forces of the Navy, capable of quickly regrouping to threatened areas.

Achieving a qualitative growth in the combat capabilities of the Navy can be achieved through the introduction of promising (breakthrough) innovative technologies (artificial intelligence systems, unmanned aerial vehicles, marine robotic systems, non-lethal weapons, and new physical principles).

It is necessary to create a single (integrated) jam-proof control system for fleet forces (troops) at all levels (from strategic to tactical). A prospective control system must be able to adapt to any conditions of the situation and, depending on it, form a single information and control space of the required configuration, ensuring network-centric control of heterogeneous groups of forces (troops) of fleets as part of interspecific groups of troops (forces) in theaters of military operations.


On the SSBN of the 955 “Yuri Dolgoruky” project, the St. Andrew’s flag was raised in January of this year.


Our goals for the construction and development of the Navy cannot be achieved without improving the system of training fleet specialists, building and developing its training and material base.

In connection with the adjustment of a number of areas of military construction in the scale of the Armed Forces of the Russian Navy, there are broader opportunities in solving the most important tasks, taking into account the following factors.

The first. Creating a balanced on the tasks and combat composition of the Navy is a set of measures of a long-term nature, designed for 35-50 years. This is due to the fact that the life of modern ships is close to 30-40 years. Based on this and taking into account the cycle of design and construction of ships, conceptual approaches to the development of the Navy should remain relevant for at least 45-50 years. In determining the main directions of construction and development of the Navy, it is necessary to take into account both foreign and domestic experience gained as a result of the creation of the ocean fleet.

The second. Analysis of both the Soviet and foreign experience shows that the basis of the construction of the fleet, as a rule, is a military shipbuilding program. Only the implementation of long-term programs of military shipbuilding, developed on the basis of methods of program and target planning, can ensure the creation of a fleet required to ensure the military security of the Russian Federation and protect its national interests.

Third. The creation of a qualitatively new in terms of its combat composition and technical equipment of the Navy, taking into account the duration of the implementation periods and the existing and forecasted resource and technological constraints, it is reasonable, in our opinion, to be divided into three stages:

Stage I - 2012-2020 years;

Stage II –2021-2030 years;

Stage III - 2031-2050 years.

The development of naval strategic nuclear forces during the 2012-2020 period, in our opinion, should be accomplished by completing the creation and deployment of the fourth generation of nuclear submarines. At the same time, it is necessary to maintain the combat readiness of strategic missile submarines (RPLSN) for existing projects and their main armament.

In the period of 2021-2030, continuing the planned replacement of the RPLSN, which have completed the established service lives, on fourth-generation nuclear submarines, work should be started on the creation of a promising strategic missile system and the RPFSN of the fifth generation. Serial construction of the 5th generation RPLSN is to be developed after 2030.

Thus, the main promising carrier of ballistic missiles in the medium term will be RPLSN av. 955A.

The requirements of the High Command of the Navy for the construction of submarines are clearly marked. It:

–Increased stealth;

–Significant increase in the lowest noise travel speed;

–Enhance of communications and control;

- equipping them with robotic means, excluding direct collision with enemy ships.

- How will the naval forces of the general purpose (MSON) develop at the first stage (2012-2020 years)?

- The development of the naval personnel of the general purpose naval forces at the first stage (2012-2020 years) should be aimed at creating a group of strategic non-nuclear deterrent forces, increasing the combat potential of submarine forces, increasing the composition and combat capabilities of surface forces, creating a rapid-response naval force.

It seems that the basis of the grouping of strategic non-nuclear deterrent forces of the Navy, equipped with high-precision long-range weapons, in the medium term will be the 885M project nuclear submarines, the upgraded 949M project nuclear submarines.

Launch of the Kalibr-PL cruise missile by the Severodvinsk submarine.

Increasing the combat potential of submarine forces should be ensured by upgrading third-generation multipurpose nuclear submarines and building new-generation non-nuclear submarines with an air-independent power plant.

It must be borne in mind that the nature of wars and armed conflicts of recent decades, the analysis of the concepts of application of the naval forces of leading foreign countries objectively predetermine the need for a naval force of operational response capable of conducting airborne naval operations, performing tasks as part of the rapid reaction forces point of the oceans.

The core of such forces should be aircraft carriers. Along with a foreign-built amphibious assault ship-dock, the basis for such forces in the future should be a new generation aircraft carrier, i.e. aircraft carrier.

Unlike the previous generation of heavy aircraft-carrying cruisers, this should be a fundamentally new universal combat ship of a large displacement. His main weapons will be manned and unmanned (robotic) combat vehicles operating in the air, on the surface of the sea, under water and, probably, in space. The determining character for the effectiveness of the use of these ships will be the presence of radar patrol and guidance aircraft as well as reconnaissance-impact UAVs in their air group.

The creation of these ships provides not just the design and construction of aircraft carriers. It is planned to create a full-fledged naval aircraft-carrying complex, which will include, in addition to the ships themselves, basing stations with the necessary infrastructure (including the social component), aircraft, a center for training crews of ships and aircraft groups of ship aviation, and other elements. The basis for the creation of a maritime aircraft carrier complex should be created in the period up to 2020.

The main areas of naval aviation construction at the first stage (2012-2020 years) should be the creation and serial production of a promising aviation patrol complex, a promising multipurpose coastal and ship-based helicopter complex, and a ship-based combat helicopter. Prospective aviation means of destruction should be created and put into service.

The main areas of construction of the coastal troops and marines at the first stage will be: completion of the creation of a promising coastal missile complex equipped with various types of missiles, and their arming of coastal missile units, increasing the ability of marines to operate in different climatic conditions, including through special training units, equipping and equipping them for action in the conditions of the Far North.

- What will be the promising surface ships? We are talking about promising destroyers, frigates and corvettes.

- The main ship of the ocean zone in the medium term should be the squadron destroyer of the new project, which has a great impact and defensive potential, including significant missile defense potential.

In the medium term, the frigates and corvettes of the 22350, 20380 projects and their modifications will form the basis of the naval surface forces in the far and near sea zones. They will be replaced by ships of modular design, equipped with a wide nomenclature of robotic means.

The first ship implementing these approaches will be a promising corvette for the protection of the water area. Development of this ship is already underway. It is planned to entrust this ship with the fullest complex of tasks performed in the coastal areas by ships and other forces and means: anti-submarine, anti-mine, anti-ship, anti-air, mine-defensive, fire support troops of the landing force and ground forces in the coastal areas.

The corvette of protection of the water area is considered as “experimental” from the point of view of transition to the modular design of ships of larger displacement. In the future, approaches to modularity and integrated robotization of the fleet's combat systems from the IWR corvette are planned to be extended to other ships, forming the innovative look of the future fleet.

- How do you see the Russian Navy after 2020?

- I can definitely say that in the 2021-2030 period, the buildup of the combat force’s potential should be ensured by the serial construction of promising aircraft carriers in the naval aircraft carrier complex, fourth-generation multipurpose nuclear submarines, multi-purpose ships of the ocean, long-range and near-sea zone.

Increasing the combat capabilities of multipurpose nuclear and non-nuclear submarines will be provided by integrating advanced robotized complexes into their armament.

The creation and serial construction of multipurpose nuclear submarines of the new generation is envisaged during this period.

In the period of 2021-2030, the head multi-purpose combat surface ships of modular design will be created and, I hope very much, that their serial construction will begin.

It is supposed to complete the creation and adopt weapons on the basis of new physical principles, to create promising models of the next-generation naval forces of the general purpose forces.

At the second stage (2021-2030 years), naval aircraft of the radar patrol, ship-based unmanned aerial vehicles, and a promising aviation complex of naval aviation should come into service with naval aviation.

During this period, the transition will be made to the optionally piloted aircraft, including on the basis of modern manned aircraft systems, and the replacement of the aircraft of the old aircraft fleet by promising multi-functional samples of aircraft and weapons, including unmanned aerial vehicles.

With regard to the development of coastal troops (in the period 2021-2030), it is planned to create and adopt a highly mobile amphibious combat vehicle to ensure the action of the marines in all regions and climatic conditions, including in the Arctic zone, the beginning of the creation of robotic combat platforms of marines, armed with weapons on new physical principles that use different sources of energy for engine operation.

- And if you look into even more distant perspective?

- We are already thinking and trying to work out the main directions of the third stage of the development of the Navy (2031-2050 years).

The third stage envisages the creation of the head and serial construction of submarines of a new generation on the basis of unified underwater platforms, the continuation of the serial construction of promising aircraft carriers, the serial construction of multi-purpose ships based on unified combat platforms of different displacement modular design, the creation of multifunctional robotic complexes of a new generation.

In the long term (for the period up to 2050 of the year), it is planned to switch to the construction of modular multi-purpose combat platforms for both surface ships and submarines.

At the third stage (2031-2050 years) in naval aviation it is planned to switch to a new generation of multifunctional aircraft and unmanned aerial vehicles and adopt a new generation of high-precision air-based weapons systems.

During the period of 2031-2050, robotized rocket weapons complexes capable of using weapons on various physical principles with the ability to hit enemy targets in various environments (air, underwater, in outer space) should be supplied to the coastal forces.


The Corvette "Boyky" of the 20380 project was commissioned by the Navy in May of this year.


- How is the program of surface shipbuilding?

- By order of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, from the 2010 of the year, Yantar PSZ is building a series of six patrol ships of the 11356 project for the Russian Navy. The corps of the first three ships of this series - Admiral Grigorovich, Admiral Essen and Admiral Makarov, which was laid at the 29 plant in February of this year with the participation of Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, are already being formed. The construction of the fourth frigate, which will be named “Admiral Butakov”, will begin soon. The plant plans to transfer the entire series to the Navy by 2016.

In addition to frigates, the plant builds for the Russian Navy a large landing ship Ivan Gren of the 11711 project (development of the well-proven 1171 project, built on the Kaliningrad shipyard in the 60-70 of the last century). His transfer to the Navy is scheduled for the current year.

By the way, the Yantar plant will carry out a fairly extensive ship repair program for the Baltic Fleet. In the ship repair program for this year - 150 orders of the Baltic Fleet, the amount of state order increased by 20% compared to last year. There is confidence that this program will be executed.

- Will the Russian Navy, having the existing composition of surface forces, continue to carry out anti-piracy tasks?

- The Navy will continue its regular presence in the Horn of Africa and the Gulf of Aden to ensure the safety of civilian shipping. At least three campaigns of detachments of warships of the Russian Navy in these problem areas are planned until the end of 2013.

- When will the first batch of MiG-29K, MiG-29CUB ship fighters enter the Northern Fleet for re-equipment of the Admiral Kuznetsov?

- I really hope that in the near future. This year, it is planned to receive two MiG-29K and two MiG-29KUB airplanes, next year - eight MiG-29K and two MiG-29KUB airplanes, in the 2015 year - ten MiG-29К airplanes.

- When is the launch of the Russian analogue of the unique NITKA aviation simulator in Yeisk planned?

- The construction of NITKI is on schedule. Currently, preparations are underway for commissioning and setting work. I really hope that the simulator will be put into operation at the turn of 2013-2014. But there will be not only a simulator for pilots-deckers, but a full-fledged training center for pilots of naval aviation of the Russian Navy.

Helicopter pilots will also be trained there. And we have plans to create for them a special platform at sea, on which helicopters will land. That is, there, as well as on NITKA, the elements of take-off and landing in real conditions of the sea will be tested. The platform will be anchored in the coastal area.

In HPV-2020 it is, the technical task has already been developed. Above this issue are already working profile design bureaus. This work will take at least three to four years.
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  1. AVV
    AVV 3 September 2013 14: 36 New
    +3
    The development of the fleet is the first priority for our state, if we want our enemies to reckon with us, rather than dictate to us !!!
    1. experienced
      experienced 3 September 2013 18: 55 New
      10
      Bugaga, AVV today is just handsome laughing
      And on the topic blah blah blah and the captain Evidence. Huge plans, but it is in the future, and so only general phrases.
      We have already heard that before 2020 ... everything is in chocolate, in the Navy there will be "chocolate" after 2020.
      I can definitely say that in the period 2021-2030 MSON's combat capabilities should be ensured through the serial construction of promising aircraft carriers as part of a marine aircraft carrier complex, fourth-generation multipurpose nuclear submarines, multipurpose ships in the ocean, near and near sea zone.

      But our "colleagues and partners" will give us so much time, and the country's economy will survive? There are no answers yet. hi
      And how many of the above will be built in 10 years? Or will the pace of shipbuilding increase by orders of magnitude? request
      1. Asgard
        Asgard 3 September 2013 19: 15 New
        +5
        Experienced really "experienced"))))
        You're right, Alexey, we don’t have time.
        So THIS plans will not come true ...
        Then it is not clear why the overland power; Air carrier connection ...
        No need to take an example from the American fleet, this is just a big target for a normal country and we will soon see how they will be Drowned))))

        We need a set of means and organization of interaction between ships, satellite constellation, long-range aviation and missile forces ....
        A missile can be anywhere in the world in 20 minutes (if you place them with your head ....
        For example, our Submarine missile cruisers can work across America directly from the Vidyaevo pier. From under the ice of the Arctic, from the Mediterranean Sea.
        We have enough money right now .... we need a head ... the colonel does not pull))))
        1. a52333
          a52333 3 September 2013 19: 51 New
          +4
          big target for a normal country
          I agree. This works well against bananas.
          We will soon see how they will be drowned))))
          Now they were showing interviews with Konovalov (military expert), which means that Obamov and the Israelis are not inclined to bring the bombing to some “significant victories”. None of the parties (except the frostbitten Qatar and the Saudis) wants Assad to fall. But to retreat just like that, without loss of image is also impossible. Accordingly, Assad will be "taught." A limited number of SLCM launches without an airstrike and without a land attack. This will reassure jerks like McCain and the Saudis. This is his IMHO. A. And so, in his opinion, Syria, even if it is possible for Nimitz, will not drown, so as not to bring the conflict to a higher level.
          1. Alexei
            Alexei 3 September 2013 20: 08 New
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            Quote: a52333
            This means that Obamov and the Israelis are not inclined to bring the bombing to some "significant victories." None of the parties (except the frostbitten Qatar and the Saudis) wants Assad to fall.

            What do they want? To teach? Play your muscles? Assad, while conscious, still will not dance to their tune, and they know it. I am not an expert, but it seems to me that this bombing is aimed at stretching the so-called "civil war", foiling the offensive of government troops.
            1. a52333
              a52333 3 September 2013 20: 20 New
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              And teach, and show, and lengthen the conflict. Assad wins, it is not profitable. Maybe Konovalov is right.
        2. Alexei
          Alexei 3 September 2013 19: 51 New
          +5
          Quote: Asgard
          Then it is not clear why the overland power; Air carrier connection ...

          In order to make expansion in the "abnormal" countries. In order for the forces of Mother Russia to become mobile. To resolve local conflicts, which have recently become frequent, but we are not ready for them. Anyway, it’s useful to tickle the nerves of the stubborn overseas politicians with the presence of the Russian Navy. I do not aim for dreams of a huge fleet in the future, but I have to bring to mind what is already there and build something else worthwhile.
        3. Army1
          Army1 3 September 2013 20: 26 New
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          Quote: Asgard
          Then it is not clear why the overland power; Air carrier connection ...
          No need to take an example from the American fleet, this is just a big target for a normal country and we will soon see how they will be Drowned))))

          The aircraft carrier is not alone, but at least 3 full-fledged Russia is needed !!! I understand you, most likely in your view this is a ship against the coast and all sorts of scenarios with banana republics there. But look at it from the other side: at any point of the ocean the state has 70-90 combat aircraft. This does not mean that we need to bomb some countries (although Qatar doesn’t hurt to show its place) and again, even in World War II, they already realized that the key role in the battle at sea over aviation, the battle at sea begins in the air with a serious the enemy! Not one of them, including the American Nato-Chinese KUG or AUG, will not withstand the salvo of our anti-ship missiles from both air and sea carriers. Even the USSR, creating a naval base on a cube in parallel, created an air force base, explaining this by the fact that on average without the air cover the Kug would not last long.
          + In the north, the ice cap will soon come off and our presence, like our "friends" there, is doomed. Russian aircraft carriers are primarily ships to support the fleet and increase its combat potential.
          With respect.
          1. Asgard
            Asgard 3 September 2013 21: 16 New
            +3
            All who quoted me have a point of view, that's good, my thanks)))
            BUT...
            The reality has changed a bit Battle Sorts of Rusov why they lost in the war with the Romanovs, because they did not change their tactics and Suvorov defeated them ...
            Even a little earlier, Aina (also a fighting Rod)) in fragile little ships crossed to the islands of Japan and conquered them, wait there SAMURAI elite
            (From Amur Aina ...)) and assimilated with the Japanese (because they didn’t take the Slavs with them on hike)), although our Priests (Magi) warned us that we had no “foreseeing aircraft carriers” (only endless plans) )))

            They decide to be or not to be this class of ships, and not the admirals)))
            Yes, and they are not needed, We do not need to prove Our Strength, we are afraid of us anyway and want to destroy ... and aircraft carriers will not help them in this ....
            "papuan ship"
            Rockets are cooler, you just need to change the leadership (not much hanging IUD)))
            We must not be like the arrogant Saxons and the Jews ...(Remember your immortal Soul)) many neglect this, but I say-IT IS IMPORTANT!
            True ,,,,, our Weapon is People (floating glands are also important, but this is the second thing))

            Now for Syria. Obama has stalled, but HUGE FORCES are accumulated there, “SOMETHING” sent them there ... And I assure you - it’s burning there, our weapons were pulled in there (it’s not for nothing that the BDK wound up)) China was also fussing, Iran was nervous .... and when so much stress is “thrown off” and fired, someone will lose their nerves, provocation, again the Jews are nearby (vile nation))
            So the war began ......
          2. Memorandum
            Memorandum 3 September 2013 21: 30 New
            +5
            But will it be cheaper to build coastal airfields 5-8 along the Northern Sea Route? At current operating ranges, aviation does not even need to be “along”, the Russian Federation is therefore one large aircraft carrier.
        4. old man54
          old man54 3 September 2013 22: 54 New
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          Quote: Asgard
          No need to take an example from the American fleet, this is just a big target for a normal country and we will soon see how they will be Drowned)))) [/ b]

          Yes, Vladimir agrees with you! They will drown, but not we, the Chinese most likely. And those that do not drown themselves will soon tilt to one side, because economy ... laughing
          Quote: Asgard
          We have enough money right now .... we need a head ... the colonel does not pull))))

          Yes, this Colonel, woe, Colonel! He certainly pulls, but not there and not for the whole country, from this and such a tear.
        5. little man
          little man 4 September 2013 10: 20 New
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          No need to provoke people to srach about aircraft carriers. Silenok is not enough to overwhelm him. So nobody will drown them. They won’t even begin to work out from the berth in America. Who will, according to his property and children, launch rockets behind the cordon? And the rest is right.
      2. sub307
        sub307 3 September 2013 23: 24 New
        +1
        That's right in my opinion. Another story, in the best traditions of "PR", about what you want, in theory. A. For the time being, in the short term, the quality of the Navy does not “reach out” to a serious tool for resolving global foreign policy issues. Unless, of course, the "normal" pace of putting warships into operation with the associated infrastructure has been reached.
    2. il grand casino
      il grand casino 3 September 2013 18: 57 New
      0
      Quote: AVV
      The development of the fleet is the first priority for our state, if we want our enemies to reckon with us, rather than dictate to us !!!


      A convenient phrase ... you can substitute for the fleet: army, air force, economy, education.
      And all of this will be true!)))
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 3 September 2013 20: 13 New
        0
        Best of all, in the place of this variety of words, he said that they had laid an aircraft carrier or a new cruiser. And so I promise the promises ......
        1. Nitup
          Nitup 4 September 2013 00: 48 New
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          The fact is that the purpose of this interview was not to list what was laid down. There is an idea of ​​what the Navy should look like in the future. Without this, it is wrong and impossible to build a fleet.
    3. SPACE
      SPACE 3 September 2013 21: 24 New
      +2
      Quote: AVV
      The development of the fleet is the first priority for our state, if we want our enemies to reckon with us, rather than dictate to us !!!

      The priority should be the development of strategic missile forces, including the marine component of the SSBN. But now it is urgently necessary to concentrate on multipurpose nuclear submarines, in particular, on the modernization of RTMs and the construction of new Ash-trees, with a total of two boats for each strategist Amer, Britov, French combined, whose main task would be search, tracking and the need for proactive destruction of strategic submarines of potential opponents.
      Well, in decreasing order, the mandatory restoration of the Orlan, with the maximum possible filling, including not only strike cruise missiles, but also ballistic ones with a range of up to 2000-3000 km, as well as with airborne ground defense systems with a range of at least 1500 km (nuclear reactor allows). The construction of aircraft carriers is necessary only with at least 6% economic growth and not more than 2 pieces.
      1. Nitup
        Nitup 4 September 2013 00: 52 New
        +1
        By the way, what long-range WTO is installed on Ash and in what quantity? The wiki writes that the X-101, but it's, like, an aircraft missile
  2. Volkhov
    Volkhov 3 September 2013 19: 03 New
    -8
    How the admiral looks like a security officer ...

    The drowned person is pale, cold.
    1. little man
      little man 4 September 2013 10: 30 New
      0
      Do not drink water from your face. But for what they get a salary riddle. In the article about the Pacific Fleet, the COLONELIST perfectly described the situation in the command. Duty phrase: "In general, the fleet entrusted to me is ABLE to complete the mission."
      And will these revive the fleet ?? Yes figs there! will remain on the rook on each of the fleets. And there will be screams - "We do not need destroyers. We are a DRY power"
  3. Anatole Klim
    Anatole Klim 3 September 2013 19: 11 New
    -3
    The fleet in the pen, what is being done, is negligible. Ships need to be built much larger and faster.
    1. Recon
      Recon 3 September 2013 19: 28 New
      +3
      Yes? Really?
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 3 September 2013 19: 35 New
      +3
      Well, now they are building more or less, at the moment more than 80 ships and ships for the Navy are in construction, completion and testing.

      On the other hand, the same Chinese are building faster, they can already boast of the past (051, 052В and 052С) and the current 052D generation of destroyers. We have only the last generation among the 4 living pieces (3x956 and Chabanenko, who is no longer alive, but gathered in the middle repair year on 1,5). And plans for the death star of the year that way after 2015 bookmark.

      However, if you look at the whole, nowadays, apart from the Hindus, Chinese and Americans, no one especially develops the fleet. Yes, France and Italy are building a FREMM, however there will be few of them and they are building to replace existing units. With Japanese frigates Akizuki similarly. That is, the global situation is stable with degradation trends (the same Britons are ahead of the rest, will soon fly out of the top ten on surface ships and this is not the merit of competitors).
      1. Memorandum
        Memorandum 3 September 2013 21: 22 New
        +1
        this is due to the seriously increased range of aviation and the accuracy of missile weapons ... How many days did the Japanese creep up to the pearl bay? Now it is only necessary for the Papuans.
    3. alone
      alone 3 September 2013 23: 06 New
      0
      quickly only cats give birth))) wassat
  4. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 3 September 2013 19: 17 New
    +5
    Nobody has ever seen a real military-political doctrine in their eyes, but how can you make up the armed forces without it? Under what? At random Lazarus? So far, so it goes. That’s why it’s sausage - who’s what. Either brigades, then divisions, then districts, then territorial commands ... etc.
    The same thing here, with the fleet.
    This does not mean that there is nothing to do. I have to! But meaningful, which is not visible.sad
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 3 September 2013 19: 34 New
      10
      Every day I see this doctrine on TV, shoulder straps, then on the belly, then on the shoulders, caps, either airfields, or caps.
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 3 September 2013 19: 41 New
        +1
        Here, here, here ...
  5. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 3 September 2013 19: 51 New
    0
    After the situation with Syria, the Russian Navy will be given additional preferences ..... I am sure that the Government will add funding.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 3 September 2013 19: 55 New
      0
      On the contrary, now they will allocate more money for land, because shiploading of available capacities at 100%, plus a number of important and promising topics, went to 2-3 years in advance (also not through the fault of money, just a workflow when developing a new one). Already, there is no way to use all the funds allocated for the 2013 year, some will simply come back. At the same time, on a number of topics, there are delays due to underfunding.
  6. Ross
    Ross 3 September 2013 20: 20 New
    +1
    Quote: Alexej
    Quote: Asgard
    Then it is not clear why the overland power; Air carrier connection ...

    In order to make expansion in the "abnormal" countries. In order for the forces of Mother Russia to become mobile. To resolve local conflicts, which have recently become frequent, but we are not ready for them. Anyway, it’s useful to tickle the nerves of the stubborn overseas politicians with the presence of the Russian Navy. I do not aim for dreams of a huge fleet in the future, but I have to bring to mind what is already there and build something else worthwhile.

    But how can you cover a fleet in the sea without aircraft carriers?
  7. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 3 September 2013 21: 21 New
    +7
    Current situation can be compared to the crowd watching the burning wick of a bomb on a wounded ship slowly sinking into the water. The bomb is the Syrian crisis. A submerged deck is an economic crisis. Well, the crowd is our guide. A wounded ship is our post-perestroika aircraft. However, this is all the lyrics.
    On business. Behind the husk of common phrases one thing is clear: ships will be built. Nothing is said about the construction program of the rkkSN and plaque like Borey and Yasen, as everything has settled down, there is nothing to add to the above.
    According to the Tax Code. The concept is a modular scheme. The bottom line: a basket (ship's hull), in which units (like amers UVP mk41) will be loaded with portable weapons. A similar scheme was with the Flex NATO 2000 corvettes. Weapons will be prepared by weapons bases on the shore, "inserted" like a store in AK-74, and bullets into the sea. If you want with NK, you can with PL, or with LA or even KA, if the “set” allows. The only question is: what about the weapon control system? Will it be universal or specialized? (I won’t disclose the pros and cons of each) or will we come together and create RUSSIAN AJIS. (Type of lumberjack, polynomial, contact, but network-centric).
    Further. Cruisers are not visible, not even mentioned. The destroyer is the limit of the ship of the ocean zone. We had this: 956 pr - it is almost 8000 tons of displacement (Arly Burke - 9000 -9500т), which in general corresponds to the mn norm.
    Aircraft carriers until the 2025-30 year, we probably will not see. So the OA of the Commander-in-Chief on the balanced fleet of the ocean zone is just a project. I will explain why. Without aviation cover, NKs will have to squeeze under the wing of coastal aviation, and submarines feel extremely insecure in communications.
    What else is “large” on the horizon. The war in the Arctic and the preparation of parts of the MP for it. Arctic BMPs have already been shown. 6 screens are being built for 11356 avenue for the Black Sea Fleet, the Ivan Gren BDK in 2013-14, the mythical OVR corvette as the embodiment of the idea of ​​multi-armed multifunctionality, and 2 of a dozen MiG-29 (K, KUB) for Kuznetsov.
    Not a lot, but thanks for that!
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 3 September 2013 23: 36 New
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      What else is “large” on the horizon. The war in the Arctic and the preparation of parts of the MP for it. Arctic BMPs have already been shown. 6 screens are being built for 11356 avenue for the Black Sea Fleet, the Ivan Gren BDK in 2013-14, the mythical OVR corvette as the embodiment of the idea of ​​multi-armed multifunctionality, and 2 of a dozen MiG-29 (K, KUB) for Kuznetsov.
      Not a lot, but thanks for that!

      Weighted and accurate.
    2. Nitup
      Nitup 4 September 2013 01: 08 New
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      Quote: BoA KAA
      Cruisers are not visible, not even mentioned. The destroyer is the limit of the ship of the ocean zone.

      The fact is that a promising destroyer in terms of firepower must be compared with a cruiser due to the fact that modern electronics, radio electronics, etc. much more compact and space for additional weapons is freed up on the ship. So it is planned that the destroyer with a displacement of 10-12 thousand tons will replace the cruiser for the tasks performed.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 4 September 2013 01: 54 New
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        Quote: Nitup
        So it is planned that the destroyer with a displacement of 10-12 thousand tons will replace the cruiser for the tasks performed.

        Amers still have Ticonderoges, we have 1164 and 1144. But Zumvold is already positioned as an EM. Apparently the age of the cruisers has passed, as well as the battleships in their time. It's a pity!
  8. VadimSt
    VadimSt 3 September 2013 21: 51 New
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    Optimism pleases, but so far I have read it to the end, the brain 31 times scrolled "promising and perspective."
    1. alone
      alone 3 September 2013 23: 07 New
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      and even better perspective promising in the future)))))
  9. Stalinets
    Stalinets 4 September 2013 02: 15 New
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    Rather, without meaning ... wink yes
  10. Sirs
    Sirs 4 September 2013 03: 03 New
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    Just forward to new shores.)))
  11. ran nearby
    ran nearby 4 September 2013 03: 54 New
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    I suspect that for my words mine will be thrown with stale buns, but I’ll risk it.
    A modern ship is a damn expensive toy. moreover, to drown or completely disable such a toy is much cheaper. An example is the war for the Falklands. The British send their fleet. Argentina has only a few Mirages and only 5 FIVE! RCC "Exoset" with a launch range of shoto of about 100km. The first victim is the Sheffield destroyer. One rocket hits it but does not explode. Nevertheless, the damage is such that in a day - two burnt down destroyer hull sank. The cargo ship, used as a helicopter carrier, the Atlantic Kneveyer, was sunk by two exosets, and one did not explode again. The old Argentinean Skyhawks quite badly battered other British ships, but air bombs often did not explode with direct hits.
    An explosion of 200-300kg of improvised explosives near the side of the Amer destroyer Cole completely disabled him. Well, the spontaneous start of the Sidewinder on the Dwight Eisenhower sent the aircraft carrier for repair for a long time.
    Why am I reminding all of this? And besides, maybe Russia doesn’t need aircraft carriers and other cruisers? And instead, configure ekranoplanes of the type "KM"? Upgraded essessno. 8-10 RCC on each. Yes submarines refuelers. To refuel ekranoplanes in the ocean? If at least two fleets — the North and the Pacific — have enough strike ekranoplanes — a guarantee, then no bastard will go wink The Baltic Sea and the Black Sea and from the coast are well shot along and across.
    It is clear that small and medium radius ships are needed. Like the ultra-small submarines.
    But why does Russia need a superpowerful fleet of horseradish ocean? With such a territory can money be sent for domestic needs? On the development of aviation and rocket science?
    Once again, I apologize to everyone whose bright dream dared to criticize
  12. Oskar
    Oskar 4 September 2013 04: 08 New
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    Any development is impossible without looking into the long term.
  13. mithridate
    mithridate 8 September 2013 18: 22 New
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    we need a real concept for the development of the fleet, not general phrases. And such, apparently, at the moment, no